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Easy Up Mast for CC&R Hams
JOHN SCHREINER (N2LK)
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EASY UP MAST FOR CC&R HAMS
This is my third antenna article for eHam related to the antenna struggles of us homeowners bound by development CC&R's. Towers and beam antenna's are a NO-NO in our world and we need to make do with whatever radiator we can get away with. I have written about the decent qualities of properly installed attic dipoles (for stick built houses) and using rain gutters for working the low bands as a serious option. However, Mother Nature intended for antenna's to roam free and clear in the open spaces and this has been my goal for 4 years now, since I moved to the present QTH.
The development I live in is a series of connected Cul-De-Sacs where our small backyards all meet with each other. Mine is one of the best ones, fairly flat and about 55 wide x 25 feet deep from back of the house. Unfortuantely in new developments all the trees are taken down so all new ones are low and small, nothing to throw a wire up into. In the past I have installed my Cushcraft R5 in the backyard during the winter months and no one complained at all, and I would take it down in the Spring as I am paranoid of lightning from T-Storms. Living on top of a small mountain, lightning is a concern with a vertical.
As the Solar Cycle declines 20 meters is shutting down earlier and I depend on 40 meters more and more for DX. I have had success using a Van Gordon G5RV Junior antenna with its 52 foot flat-top in the past installed in my attic. A couple of years ago my XYL suggested we purchase a kids play house which is homemade from a set of plans you buy with all the wood. She also sold me on this as a potential base to mount an antenna, so off to work I went and Bob Villa would have been prood of me!
Last year it hit me to build and attach to this playhouse a simple wooden mast constructed of 3 - 2x4's each 10feet long. I would use a 10 foot long PVC pipe then attached to that via 2 large U-Bolts to reach a final height of 25 feet. I put an L-bracket on the top of the pipe with hose clamps and a pulley with rope and I had a short but solid mast to hold the center of my G5RV antenna. I sloped the 2 legs down to nearby trees and Bam! New aerial in the air, low but still in the clear and on top of a NJ mountain too boot!
So here it is, 2 digtital photos of my present installation. Antenna works VERY well on 20 & 40 meters with my rigs internal tuner, and my MFJ-949 external tuner gets me on the other bands. Its not a great performer on 15 meters compared to my attic dipole cut for that band, but does OK. On 20 no problems working DX and just last nite on 40 meter CW I worked 8Q7DV Maldives (that's an all time new one for me!) and 4X4FC in Israel. All with just 100 watts by the way. No neighbors are complaining of this contraption (at least not yet) so as long as it doesn't cause any rukus, its there for good.
I simply used galvanized deck screws for attaching the 2x4's together, drilled a few holes for the PVC pipe (rigid type, not the thin walled type) and put this together in about an hour. It was easy to drag up to the playhouse and mount via some 2 x 6 wooden brackets, also attached via deck screws. Has withstood 45 MPH gusts so far and hardly sways at all in a stiff breeze. I wish it was more like 35-40 feet high for 40 meters but I am not that brave to make such a big mast in this neighborhood.
So even though you may have to live with CC&R's, depending on your neighbors you may be able to get away with this mast/playhouse option to get an aerial up and in the clear. If so let me know how it turns out and see you on the low bands!
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by G4AON on April 2, 2005
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Well done John!
Several years ago I visited a ham who lived on a small council estate, he had virtually no garden at all, just a narrow strip at the back of the house. There was no sign of an antenna, yet his log book was full of low band exotic DX... All worked on 100 Watts of CW.
The antenna was laid flat during the day and only erected at dusk, his antenna was a home built vertical comprising an aluminium pole around 2" diameter and 20 foot long with a choice of loading coil and top sections. Loading coils were used on 80 and 160 metres and fitted between the pole and the top section to give a centre loaded vertical. I would guess the top reached around 35 to 40 feet on 80 or 160 metres. The antenna base was a simple mild steel angled section with PVC pipe for an insulator. I can't remember how many radials he used, but they can't have been spread 360 degrees around the antenna due to his narrow garden. They were certainly buried as nothing was visible.
Considering he was running a 100 Watt transceiver, the results were incredible - no complaints from the council or neighbours either!
Dave
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by NS6Y_ on April 2, 2005
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Nothing personal but Wow that play house is an eyesore! I'd rather see a nice huge yagi than that thing. Just shows how the "PC" crowd can consider an ugly-bugly like that wonderful to look at, but a truly beautiful piece of physics like a good beam to be ugly, when they are beautiful.
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by K0BG on April 2, 2005
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I look at the pictures and think claustrophobiaville. I'm glad the antenna works for you, but I do have a question? How do you put up with all of the squeaking beds at night?
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by N2LK on April 2, 2005
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Well I dont know if my neighbors really consider this acceptable or not,as no one has said anything. Its definately an ugly duckling but I know a tower with a yagi would definately send out the crowds with fire & pitchforks after me.
Its really a matter of slowly pushing your limits to see how far you can go without disturbing the peace when you live in these planned developments. And this is how all new construction is going on in my neck of the country. As you can see we are packed in here like Sardines and being just 50 miles from New York City, these dwellings have doubled in price in the last 4 years! So that thought always comforts me hi hi.
Just food for thought for you hams living in crammed developements-you can work the world!
73's de N2LK
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by W3NRL on April 2, 2005
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John very nice concept what ever works for you and making something homebrew that does works is an acomplishment and makes you feel good knowing what you made works. Good job!
Have fun
de w3nrl
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by WA1RNE on April 2, 2005
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As a final touch, you may want to consider painting or staining the tree house some color that fits the scheme of the buildings within the complex - as well as the mast.
You'll probably be amazed how much better it blends in with the surroundings and might be a good selling point should one of your neighbors begin to catch on - which is bound to happen.
73 and good DXing,
Chris
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by WA5UHK on April 2, 2005
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A sign of the times.
My neighborhood is very strict but now they allow very tall flag poles in the back of any and every yard....you can figure out the multiple uses of one of those.
I think that would work in any city or any subdivision. After 9/11, who can say no to a flagpole??
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by VE3VVF on April 2, 2005
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One of the ARRL antenna books has a lovely 4 band (lowest band being 40M) HF trap style flagpole antenna made from 2" PVC tubing with the 'guts' slid inside it. I think it would be a bit more aesthetic and you would likely never have to worry about a neighbour pounding at the door with a posse and pitchforks.
73
Scott
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by WA6BFH on April 2, 2005
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Alex comments nearly always make me smile! I too had much the same thought on the appearance of your ‘playhouse’. It is though a great idea!
Here in Southern California many homeowners are always seeking added storage space, and some of them use these ugly tin buildings. I will recommend your approach for friends of mine that have CC&R’s, although as I write this, it occurs to me that the CC&R bastar&’s usually don’t like such buildings either!
Anyway, I would have built such a ‘playhouse’ out of redwood. With proper architectural design, it could be used for spare storage, a nooky shake, a remote antenna matching network house etc. I probably would have built the mast as an “A-frame” type, where you spread the two lower supports and they form a ladder. You put a few foot-peg bolts through the upper mast, and you can climb it to the top! Hang a Pirate flag up there, and if the neighbors knock on your door, answer it wearing an eye-patch and say Arrrrrrrrr maty!
73! de John (Silver)
Oh, and about that comment on how phenomenal it is to work DX with 100 Watts of iCW! Remember that iCW will provide something like 9 to 12 dB’s of comparative signal gain over SSB. Sooooo, 9 dB’s on top of 100 Watts is like running 800 Watts! Most Ham’s with amplifiers usually only run about 600, unless they are in the ‘over-drive them to the max’ crowd!
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by W6TH on April 2, 2005
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No need to go any higher than 25 feet John as my CF Zepp is at 23 feet and work the world on 80 thru 10.
Last night on 40 worked OK1CF, a YZ, S59 and a few others.
Nice article John and put a few more on.
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by KF6HCD on April 2, 2005
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Very nice.
Great to see that you are able to "work around" the restrictions.
You make it seem like "child's play"...
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by LNXAUTHOR on April 2, 2005
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WA5UHK wrote:
"After 9/11, who can say no to a flagpole??"
- you've obviously never lived in the People's Republic of Maryland...
:-)
- unfortunately for some hams there are NIMBY-minded, condo/CC&R Nazis out there; usually dysfunctional OFs who like to spread misery not only in their own family but also out in the community...
- but this article made me feel really good; i'm glad to read that yet another ham has been able to find a solution in a deed-restricted community...
- we went through the whole drill of looking for a place to accommodate my hobby a little over six months ago... fortunately we found an HOA that allows antennas! i hope others find their happy medium, too!
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by WA6BFH on April 2, 2005
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You know, the thought occurs to me that ‘as an institution’ Ham radio might present a good forum to fight these ridiculous zoning issues! I know that we have PRB-1 but, I have also heard city attorney’s laugh at it!
We always hear things like, ‘obviously you have never lived in the people’s republic of xxx’. The neighbors feel this way too! They want to have a motor home, or a trailer, or a boat parked next to their house, and I want my antennas. It seems to me that we could represent a good argument for personal freedoms. I mean are we not the ones that are sought out for emergency communication, and supposed to altruistically come to the aid of the people! We are good enough for that but, we better not see your antennas -- right!
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by WA5UHK on April 2, 2005
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VE3VVF,
Do you happen to know which ARRL antenna book has the faux-flagpole vertical design?
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by KE4MOB on April 2, 2005
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Hey, at least he can have a playhouse...in a lot of CC&R neighborhoods even that would be a no-no.
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by VE3VVF on April 2, 2005
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"The Flagpole Deluxe" antenna is in the ARRL Antenna Book - 17th edition (Copyright 1994) ISBN: 0-87259-473-4.
It appears on page 6-19 thru 6-23. I have not made it yet but I plan to....but then again, I plan to do a lot of things ;o)
73
Scott
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by W6TH on April 2, 2005
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by WA6BFH on April 2, 2005
You know, the thought occurs to me that ‘as an institution’ Ham radio might present a good forum to fight these ridiculous zoning issues! I know that we have PRB-1 but, I have also heard city attorney’s laugh at it!
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How about this John?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.
The Constitution of the United States of America
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Will this work John?
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by WA6BFH on April 2, 2005
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Well Vito, it seems that lately it has not been working!
I'm with you! I'm a Republican by practical nature, and a Libertarian at heart. Thease days though, even the Republicans are trying to become F'ing 'centrists'!
Back to the point, at my place here in Anaheim I can have a 35 foot tower, as long as it is attached to the house. My tower does not need to be attached to the house but, it is! The idea is that in the 'old town' scenic part of Anaheim, the city does not want unsightly antennas. In this regard, I agree with Alex, the city however does not! I also want to be able to motor-up, or motor-down my antennas to look at tropo etc -- no 90 foot towers here though!
Hey Vito, you have probably read, "The Fountainhead" and "Atlas Shrugged"? Do you see that happening in the U.S.?
73, Live Free or Die!
PS
Did you know that in Atlas Shrugged, Mr. Thompson was Harry Truman?
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by VE3VVF on April 2, 2005
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Just to show you all that your concerns are not isolated to the US of A, in a *former* city in Ontario called Kanata (I say former because it was gobbled up by Ottawa in an amalgamation...don't get me started on that...) there was a population of about 35,000 and I think about 30,000 of them were granola crunching, birkenstock wearing, tilly hat wearing so ans so's and the 'by-laws' included no visible satellite dishes, no pulley-type clothes lines, no campers in your laneway that stuck out past the front of your garage,no above ground swimming pools, the front door of your house had to be an earth tone...the list goes on and on. Needless to say, the problems are widespread. I am lucky enough to live on a small farm where those rules do not apply or if they do, nobody cares.
Good luck to all with your battles.
73
Scott
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by W6TH on April 2, 2005
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Very interesting reading, but we must be normal and go by what we ourselves see for the coming.
Look at it this way: Hitler won and defeated his first country and that was Germany. Took the weapons from the people and then destroyed all school and educating books and burned them. He told his people that they Germans were the master race, he brain washed them. Good honest people, he deceived them to no end. They are now free as we are, I am happy to know.
Now for our country; go back to King George the 3rd, this is now becoming the same life we will be having under our present leaders of These United States. The leaders know there will be a revolting group so now comes the United Nations and as the revolution begins, the American military will not have to fight off the revolutionist, but the United Nations will do the killing to put a stop to this tyranny. See this lets our American soldiers off the hook for murder.
Here is an example:
UN attacks DR Congo militia camps
UN soldiers in Bunia
The UN is showing muscle after nine of their troops were killed
The United Nations military in the Democratic Republic of Congo have carried out an attack on militiamen who refused to surrender their weapons.
How about the coming of the United Nation.
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by WA6BFH on April 2, 2005
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Vito, Scott and maybe others. I’m not sure if we should carry on with this line of thinking on this thread or not!
I’m sympathetic with the expressed ideal -- hell, I’m empathetic with it -- its just that this may not be the correct forum!
I will leave that to others to decide. I have many ideas on approaches etc. Hell, I didn’t grow up going to colleges in the 70’s and arguing with my professors for nothing. I in fact saw coming what we are now living!
If we want to discuss this on this guy’s Ham thread though,,,,,,,, maybe we should think about that!
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by K2CBM on April 2, 2005
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I use a 5BTV in my back yard and a low 2 meter ground plane up about 15 ft. attached to the back of my house. From that I have drooped a 17 meter dipole. Our covenants are very strict but I had the ideal solution: I had my wife elected to the Association Board. Now, as secretary, she touts the work of hams in disasters such as hurricane Charlie. No one dares to criticize her or my antennas.
Jim
K2CBM
Ft. Myers, FL
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by N2WEC on April 2, 2005
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Too close for any comfort. If I can't put up my antenna of choise; I don't want to be there. "I don't like to hear my neighbor flish his john."
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by N2WEC on April 2, 2005
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Too close for any comfort. If I can't put up my antenna of choise; I don't want to be there. "I don't like to hear my neighbor flush his john."
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by WA6BFH on April 2, 2005
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Thats cool! I don't wan'a hear you flish your johnson!
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by W6TH on April 2, 2005
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John,
Thought I would get one in there anyway. You are right and thought about it as typing. Said to myself, just one more today to execise my free speech.
K2CBM has the right setup, using a 5BTV, could even dress it up to look like a tree of some sort. Could also use a 25 foot pvc and run a single wire to the top and then base load it for the band wanted in use.
With a 25 foot wire and run from the bottom floor and use a external tuner outdoors with a single radial will work well also. There are many, many ideas to run a antenna of any sort, but I think it is the fear of getting caught in the act. To live in a CC&R you must be brave and not to frighten so easily.
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by W6TH on April 2, 2005
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I rented a appt in a senior citizens home a few years back as rebuilding our home.
I parked my truck in the parking space and operated from there using the Hustler mobile resonators. Later there was a a vacancy where I could park my truck in the driveway and operated from within the residence and ran the coax out of the window to the truck. I had the 80, 40, 20 snd 15 meter resonators on the mast on the truck.
I can see no reason why this can't be done with the living in the CC&R homes. Should I live in a restricted location, I would buy a tripod and set my Hustler on the outside during darkness and operate from that setup. With short runs of coax of 10 or 15 feet, there would be no problem by having a very high standing wave ratio, say of around 3 to 1. Although the resonators are easily adjusted for a standing wave ratio of 1 to 1.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
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by K2CPE on April 2, 2005
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The "Flagpole Deluxe" article is on the ARRL website. Type, "Flagpole Deluxe" in the search box on the home page. It in the "members only" section.
Rich K2CPE
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by K7VO on April 2, 2005
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The article was great. The right wing knee jerk blame the liberals comments are not. In my experience it's the Republicans who like things neat and tidy and are willing to butt into our lives, our backyards, and even our bedrooms. It seems to me in the last week we saw Republicans interfere not only with the courts doing their work but into the most private and difficult personal period in one's life: dealing with the end of life of a loved one. So much for conservatives wanting to stay out of people's private lives.
Needless to say the comments really, really bother me. I won't identify as a Democrat, BTW. Democrats are far too conservative and far too co-opted by big corporate interests for my taste.
Suggestion: leave the politics out next time and I'll do the same.
73,
Caity
K7VO
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by WA6BFH on April 2, 2005
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Nasty,,,Nasty,,, bar the door!
Uhhmmmmm, I do like the way yoooou talk!
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by KG4RUL on April 2, 2005
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W6TH writes:
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I rented a appt in a senior citizens home a few years back as rebuilding our home.
I parked my truck in the parking space and operated from there using the Hustler mobile resonators. Later there was a a vacancy where I could park my truck in the driveway and operated from within the residence and ran the coax out of the window to the truck. I had the 80, 40, 20 snd 15 meter resonators on the mast on the truck.
I can see no reason why this can't be done with the living in the CC&R homes. Should I live in a restricted location, I would buy a tripod and set my Hustler on the outside during darkness and operate from that setup. With short runs of coax of 10 or 15 feet, there would be no problem by having a very high standing wave ratio, say of around 3 to 1. Although the resonators are easily adjusted for a standing wave ratio of 1 to 1.
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Unfortunately, some CC&Rs go way beyond reason. I will try to relate the language in the CC&Rs in the Senior Development where my Aunt used to live in the LA Area:
Homeowners were prohibited from parking cars in THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY! Their vehicles must be garaged except for BRIEF periods when loading or unloading passengers etc. That rules out using your mobile antenna unless it radiates well from in the garage.
Vehicles with a company name on them, except for trades people actively engaged in work at your residence CANNOT PARK IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AT ANY TIME (this means if your friend has his own business, and stops to visit on the way home from work in his work truck, he has to park in the visitor parking area).
If you had an overnight guest and did not have room in your garage for their car, they had to park in the visitor parking area (in my Aunt's case, almost 3/4 of a mile away).
And believe me, her neighbors would not hesitate to turn you in to the HOA Nazis on a whim!
Dennis / KG4RUL
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by WA6BFH on April 2, 2005
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Dennis, its all those Birkenstock wearing, cumbya lib’s!
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by W6TH on April 2, 2005
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KG4RUL Dennis,
Now that is what I call taking away your rights and liberty.
I honestly believe this is done so one can try to fight it and give a few dollars to a lawyer. Then go on further when it is unconstituional.
To think what I went through during WW2 to protect our freedom and come home and find there is no such thing as freedom. My guess is there will never be any. Maybe I will be wrong and there will be a day. I will look forward to it in time as time will tell.
Patrick Henry: Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death.
Live free or die.
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by WA1RNE on April 3, 2005
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California has some great weather, beautiful scenery, and other perks, but some of the laws and "values" seem to border on the bizarre or eccentric.
A co-worker of mine works in the West Lake Village area and lives in a small town an hour away known for it's artists and other very creative folks.
Keep in mind, she owns a house and the property, situated in a residential neighborhood.
Apparently, one cannot cut down even a small tree or make any significant changes to the appearance of the original property without some town "Conservation Police Patrol" looking over your shoulder. If they find you in violation, you can be fined.
My uncle grew up in Massachusetts, then in the early 60's moved to Southern Cal' because of a job transfer. The first thing he noticed and continued to despise was that EVERYONE's property was surrounded by a tall picket fence. He lived there for 25 years until his passing, and despite the fences and demand for total privacy, he never regreted the move.
The improved year-round weather just doesn't seem to be worth all the restrictions on one's lifestyle, especially having to put up with all these materialistic crazies running these condo complexes under some sort of "Condo-induced psychosis".
Hey, the Boston area has its drawbacks too - and there are some communities with convenants. Usually, it's only the very expensive neighborhoods - like homes in the $750K and up range that have them, but they are more the exception than the rule.
What drives people to this obsession with property appearance??? Some of the rules are OK and make sense, but it seems many folks have just gone off the deep end......
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by K0RFD on April 3, 2005
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CC&Rs are not Republican, Democrat, Liberal, or Conservative. They have nothing to do with Terri Schiavo. They have nothing to do with Hitler, Communism, George Orwell, or even the Pope for that matter.
They are CONTRACTS. You signed 'em. If you live in an antenna-restricted neighborhood, and CC&Rs are the cause, then maybe you should have looked elsewhere for a place to live. If you signed the contract because you and/or your wife loved the house, then either live with it, move, or put up with having to be devious.
In a sense, CC&Rs are very much about freedom. You had the freedom to sign the contract; you also had the freedom not to.
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by KC9OD on April 3, 2005
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Why not a nice aluminum birdhouse on top of an extendable pole ? And "guy" wires in case or wind ? Who could object to the beauty of more little birdies ?<p>Politically ,it the REALTORS that are behind all these CCandRs,claiming it maintains property values! Just like your great-grandmothers guest parlor that no one was allowed to use 99.9% of the time,but still had to be paid for. Currier and Ives never showed the cow manure pile or outhouse in their pictures but I guarentee you every old farm had at least one of them!
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by W6TH on April 3, 2005
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K0RFD
Isn't this the truth. However no matter what the price of the home and property, the buyers never own the ground, earth, property that the house sits on. It is rented, that is why there is a tax that is paid; stop paying the real-estate tax which is suppose to go for schooling and you lose the property.
One never has the ownership of the land and taxes not paid, but the house is paid in full, you have the right to move your house and lose the ground the house sat on.
Land is government controlled and owned, the government does not want you to cut their trees down or to change the enviornment for any reason what-so-ever as it belongs to the government.
This is un-constituional, but our leaders do not see this.
Billions of dollars to free Iraq, HEY, what about These United States of America?
.:Live Free or Die.
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by W6TH on April 3, 2005
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Has any of our Presidents of These United States of America kept their word since the year 1930?
I don't think so.
7. Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of the President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
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by K7VO on April 3, 2005
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W6TH: Since you seem to be one of the self-described conservatives in this off-topic conversation I will use a Republican example: Tell me how President Gerald Ford did not keep his word as you describe it. He was one President (and yes, there were others) who, IMHO, displayed integrity in office.
73,
Caity
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by K7VO on April 3, 2005
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K0RFD: I agree with you 100%. You know what? You can work around a lot of CC&Rs as well. Where I last lived in NC we had them. I had my tower approved by the architectural committee. Yes, we had one woman on the board (not on the committee) who objected to "tacky" things in people's back yards. She was outvoted.
A lot of the outcome has to do with the way hams present themselves and their antennas. Some hams (maybe most) are lousy at presenting things in a way where the neighbors and board see their antennas as a good thing.
Note: My tower was only 35' high and was positioned to be largely blocked from view by the house and trees. Of course, if you looked from the right spot you could see it. My main goal was to show that I valued the aesthetics of the neighborhood as much as anyone and I made it appear that I was sacrificing on antenna performance to insure the appearance of the neighborhood. It obviously was appreciated.
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Caity
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He said: Why not a nice aluminum birdhouse on top of an extendable pole?
Yea, the Birkenstock wearing tree huggers will really like that! Remember that the top of the antenna is the high voltage point, so be sure to run a KiloWatt! When the birdies start falling out of the house, or their eggs are poached, well, you get the idea!
How about a flag pole with a rainbow flag? That ought to provide some cover!
My honest desires are for a tower that is so tall, a 17 Meter mono-bander on a 50 foot boom looks like UHF Yagi when viewed from the ground!
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by W6TH on April 3, 2005
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To whom it may concern:
AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
According to this, the CC&R rules and regulations are UN- constitutional.
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W6TH: Since you seem to be one of the self-described conservatives in this off-topic conversation I will use a Republican example: Tell me how President Gerald Ford did not keep his word as you describe it. He was one President (and yes, there were others) who, IMHO, displayed integrity in office.
73,
Caity
K7VO/8
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That is up to you republicans and democrats to figure out.
I vote Libertarian and will till the day I die and hopefully a freeman. I am intoxicated with freedom and the will to die for my freedom as only a dead man is free.
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by NA6DF on April 3, 2005
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WA6BFH:.. "Nooky Shack"??!!!
That's funny! My wife might give me the 'ol "stink-eye" for refering to our small barn as such, but it may be worth it... 8-)
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by WA6BFH on April 3, 2005
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Vito, I appreciate your explanations but, I think they will be lost on many. You see, we exist as archetypal models to folks who have no capacity for testing ideas, or working from principles.
One comment outlined this very descriptively in the way this Ham’s tower installation was designed and promoted, in a very ‘conniving’ and manipulative manner. The description would suggest that the desired goal was to make the CC&R panel think that it was their idea to actually promote the towers installation.
This philosophy is known as Pragmatism. Pragmatists are not troubled by truth or values. To them, values are transitory, and truth is relative. What ever seems to work on that day, in that moment of time is obviously the correct thing to do!
Only old ‘neo-cons’ (another convenient and MEANINGLESS label) like you and I, would actually stand on principle!
73! de John
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by WA6BFH on April 3, 2005
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NA6DF, yes indeed! If I were planning on staying at my present address long enough to make it worthwhile, I might put up just such a shack!
Like I said, build it out of redwood, and install a few stained glass windows! A remote matching network could be installed up in the attic space, and a Jacuzzi and wet bar down below!
3,3,3,3,3,3,3’s or as some say Best regardses! John
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K2CPE
Rich thanks!
I have been looking on eBay for an old Antenna Book. Getting the link on ARRL has made my day. I think I've found another project to build.
73,
Tom
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by K3YT on April 3, 2005
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I must mention what I have done. I have lived in a CC&R gated community for 10 years. My backyard is about 45 wide by 12 deep. I am in Lot 1, right next to the gate. Everyone in here has to drive past my house. When we moved in in 95 I got by with a 200'+ wire fed by an SG-230. But in November of 86 I had a Cushcraft R7000 vertical up. How? I read the Communication Act of 1996. If you have a DSS dish you can not be prevented from installing a TV antenna to receive your local channels. You may also go 10' over your roof line with it. My HOA agreed that the vertical looked a lot nicer than a 32' tower and a large TV LPA. The large antenna is needed because my ABC stations are 60 miles distant both North and South. Gotta' have Monday Night Football! My only mistake was only getting verbal permission. Eight years went by and I received a letter telling me to take the R7K down. (Original HOA members deceased or relocated.) Wrote letters and went to HOA meetings explaining virtues of Amateur Radio. Nothing. I was told in the meeting "No Antennas period" by smirking Board members. Next day wrote to themthat I was doing the tower/TV LPA deal per Comm. Act of 96. Two days later they knocked on my door and offered to help put my vertical back up. The HOA lawyer checked and found out there was not a thing they could do to prevent me from putting up the tower (we do not have a central antenna with the signal distributed to each house.) I now have permission for my antennas in writing. After the 2 hurricanes, they are glad I had the communications.
73 de K3YT Bob (28 years of heating wire)
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by WA6BFH on April 3, 2005
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Bob, you know I am glad that you found a resolution that seems to work for you but, I’m still thinking that I don’t like people telling me what I can do, particularly when they are too stupid to appreciate what good engineering standards are!
See my perspective is that we as Ham’s reside within a rather select group. If you look at all technological developments that are now admired and praised in our technological society -- (real) Ham’s built and developed them! Now, for the IN YOUR FACE reasoning that some folks don’t like the aesthetics of antennas, they in essence tell us ‘we don’t care that you want to achieve optimum launch angles with an antenna system ON YOUR OWN F’ing PROPERTY we don’t like the way it looks!
It’s like telling Armstrong that ‘your modulation scheme goes sideways, and we only want modulation that is vertical’. We will be told in an ever increasing manner and fashion that ‘you can do anything you like -- as long as we approve of it!’ That’s why I intend to buy a 10 acre parcel of land. I don’t really need all 10 acres, I just want to be in the middle with my 90 foot or taller tower, and isolated from CC& R types, and even other Ham’s that don’t know or care about the way physics works!
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by N0AH on April 3, 2005
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1. Congrads on getting a CCR to allow "that" in your yard.
2. Congrads on getting an MFJ product to work.
3. Nice DX worked with the whole set up. This guy is a true Ham-
4. CQ should put him into their Hall of Fame.
Keep up the awesome work OM.
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My idea is the birdhouse acts as a capacity hat ,also eliminating corona discharge. Never noticed a rain of dead birds from high tension power lines, have you?
Like it or not,hams of the radio variety are a miniscule percentage of the population and maintaing cordial relations with the rest of the neighborhood isn't a bad thing. Ideally all electronic appliances would neither cause nor receive interference, and what you do on your property wouldn't be the neighbor's concern. It seems that the higher the population density the less respect for individual rights.
Has anyone tried scaling up the AEA or MFJ loop for the lower freqs ?
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by WA6BFH on April 3, 2005
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KC9OD, most of my commentary was in jest! Whatever works for ya man!
You could still try the rainbow flag?
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by N2LK on April 3, 2005
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Well this thread has taken a turn I was not expecting at all, all this politics but thats what happens when you have more than 1 person in a room.
thanks for the nice comments in this thread but my main reason for writing this is to let other hams know that they can work a TON of DX contacts with simple setups like this. New hams should be made aware it doensn't take a beam and tower to work DX and be an active contester, even in the down turn of the solar cycle. Dont let them keep you down from enjoying the hobby.
Yes, I knew totally before I purchased this house I would be living with covenants, read the page about the 36" diam. dish only allowed etc.. but I have worked in some many apartments, rentals and condo's as Red Butler one said "Frankly, I dont give a damn!"
I have no permission whatsoever and frankly feel I dont need it, only if my neighbors complain when spring really sets in would I take it down. Why? Cause I know for years of operating my attic dipoles can do 90% of what this outside antenna does and I believe in being courteous.
But SOMEDAY I promise, when the kids are gone and my wife says buy a smaller house, we are off to PA and buying 3-4 ACRES and I will be king of my airspace!
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by K0RGR on April 3, 2005
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Sadly, part of the idea behind CC&R's is to put in place restrictions that would never be legal if they were enacted by a City Council. You can agree to almost anything in a private contract - but laws have to meet constitutional muster in regard to property rights.
City councils discovered ages ago that they could effectively enact odious laws by encouraging land developers to write CC&R's in order to get speedy approval of new subdivisions.
Lately, challenges have been brought on the basis that some of these homeowner's associations actually operate as small governments and must operate as such.
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by WA6BFH on April 3, 2005
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RGR, this is I believe the 2nd time that I have seen you raise a clear and poignant position on ‘the matter at hand’. I applaud you on this! It’s not always easy to keep a cool head in the light of such babble!
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by KI4AGL on April 4, 2005
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These are tall 2 story houses and NEED lightning protection, a simple spike on each gable end of the
roof and a verticle wire running down the side of
the house with some base loading and you can have
a phased array. Run it end fire or broad side for
two different primary directions.
Another option is the 4 inch PVC roof vent for the
plumbing system. The vent can hold a pop up verticle.
Good luck.
73s
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by KB2UBH on April 4, 2005
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John, congratulations for figuring out away to get by the dinks of the world. Hope you have many hours of radio enjoyment from it.
Thank God for rural America living! Even though I live in New York State we are very much a rural community and if anyone even suggested such restrictions here they would be run out of town. We recently bought and old 150+ year farm house on 60 acres and shortly after I put up my doublet, my 6 meter OA-50 and my diamond 2m/440 on the roof of my 30+foot house, my wife comes home from work and says "John xxxxx Dad seen the antennas go up on the roof and boy was he happy"!!! Seems John's Dad has been a ham since he was 13 (now retired) and lives in the next house down the road (maybe 5-6 acres away)and is happy as h?ll another ham moved next door. So not only did I move into a "ham neighborhood" but I moved in next door to an Elmer! How lucky can I get!?!?!
73's de Steve
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by N0TONE on April 4, 2005
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N2LK, congrats on solving the problem.
I used to live in a place that looked like that. I found that antenna restrictions were only the beginning. The HOA wanted to prohibit me from fixing my own car in the driveway, wanted me to hang only white curtains, and insisted on approving every change to the landscape I wanted to do. Further, they restricted my window trim to only white, and allowed me a pallette of only eight "permissible" colors for the exterior of my house. I paid $200,000 for that lack of privilege?
In exchange, I could brag that my home was "newer".
I finally found the best solution for me was to get an older place, built long before CC&Rs existed.
I have never looked back.
AM
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Nice work, John.
I do wonder what the world is coming to, though...regarding lifestyle restrictions (I won't bother calling them antenna restrictions, or covenants -- the problem is much larger than that).
I remember, as a native of New Jersey, when Hackettstown was considered "God's Country," it was pretty rural and people could do whatever they wished with their properties. That wasn't so long ago -- like 1977, when I owned a home in Mt. Olive Township, just up the hill to the northeast of Hackettstown.
Looking at the nice photos you published makes me wonder why people are sacrificing lifestyle to own homes that are still an hour away from everything. It just gets nuttier...
But it looks like you solved the 40m antenna problem! Hope you can keep it up for a very long time.
73
Steve WB2WIK/6
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Tnx. for the article John. I appreciate logical, simple solutions for CC&R residents such as myself. A lot of older hams take it for granted that the best solution to getting the freedom to set up a tower is to find a neighborhood or home in the countryside that doesn't restrict such structures...unfortunately, I have not see a single new builder without some kind of antenna restriction clause in the fine print, and hams like myself can't afford any other alternatives either. Frankly, I can't afford the tower either.
So, I do like you and others do, just work around it and keep pushing the boundaries. I have an MA5V vertical that cannot been seen year round from the front of the house, and I use a push-up pole in a bucket of cement that goes up about 20ft. for 40/80m, using it exactly the same way as you do...it's not great on 80m for DX, but for stateside/net ops., it's just fine. 40m. is good as well, more details at QRZ.
I think ARRL should have a monthly article, or maybe dedicate an entire issue, to ham radio ops. in CC&R or less-than-ideal situations. I know we want preferential legislation to allow us our antenna exceptions, but we've been wishing for that for many years now...it's just not going to happen without some kind of miracle intervention by Congress. So we might as well get use to this trend, especially if we want to get more young blood into the hobby.
Just my 2 cents...DL
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Thats right DL! No new construction out my way is not without restrictions of some type and as a younger family man with kids, these dwellings are the best for school, home, etc. and worst for hamming. So you have it right-push the limits with what you can do and understand that there is alot of good HF work to be had with even the most limiting of antenna circumstances!
And get that extra ticket, its better than an amplifier for working DX.
73's
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Yes, I knew totally before I purchased this house I would be living with covenants, read the page about the 36" diam. dish only allowed etc.. but I have worked in some many apartments, rentals and condo's as Red Butler one said "Frankly, I dont give a damn!"
Funny stuff. I think RHETT Butler might approve. (Who's "Red?")
I just think it's a shame that the CC&R disease has spread much as it has -- it hasn't spread everywhere, though. I bought my home where it is in L.A. for all the reasons you bought yours in Hackettstown: Except we don't have any restrictive covenants, and we actually have a better school system than yours (which was important to us).
Our local schools have won the U.S. Academic Olympics five out of the past six years, defeating the best that NJ (or anywhere else) could offer, and my most local public High School, where my kids have gone or are still going, is in the tournament once again, this time to take place in Chicago. Want to make any bets about the outcome?
We have better weather, too, hi hi.
Seriously, I feel badly for all those who honestly feel that the covenant-restricted homes they are buying today are "for the best, for the family."
Hogwash.
WB2WIK/6
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I would think that the highest priority the ARRL could have is to bring the CC&R and BPL problems at-the-same-time directly to the desk of the Department of Homeland Security. Civil Defense is part of amateur radio's reason for existence. To be turned away "in writing" is a direct invitation on the part of he who does so to take the blame when the next thing goes wrong. Who doesn't understand CYA? What kind of America is it when your Homeowner's Association outranks the Department of Homeland Security? Who's running this country?
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I would think that the highest priority the ARRL could have is to bring the CC&R and BPL problems at-the-same-time directly to the desk of the Department of Homeland Security. Civil Defense is part of amateur radio's reason for existence. To be turned away "in writing" is a direct invitation on the part of he who does so to take the blame when the next thing goes wrong. Who doesn't understand CYA? What kind of America is it when your Homeowner's Association outranks the Department of Homeland Security? Who's running this country?<
Evidently, not the ARRL. Although campaigning against BPL and antenna restrictions has been pretty high on their list of activities lately.
The problem, stated a zillion times in response to all the campaigns to free hams from private antenna covenants, is that hams entered into those covenants willingly by signing acceptance of and agreement with them during the purchase of their properties.
So, the argument is, "If you didn't want antenna restrictions, you shouldn't have purchased property you knew full well had them."
As hams, we'd like to disagree with that, but let's face it: It's true. Nobody held a gun to anybody's head and forced them to buy properties with restrictive covenants.
The easy out is to sell such property, and buy another not having any. As someone who's relocated fifteen times myself, I must say this task isn't so daunting, and often doesn't even require changing school systems for the kids. I've moved three times between 1994 and 2000 and my kids stayed in the same school district each time, so they were completely unaffected by the moves other than the task of being forced to help us pack and unpack!
There's no excuse for "not moving," when it's the only viable option.
WB2WIK/6
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"Hey, at least he can have a playhouse...in a lot of CC&R neighborhoods even that would be a no-no. "
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Nice playhouse! I was wondering ...can it be made into a stealth hamshack?
Great article and a good read! We need more of these!
73 Charles - KC8VWM
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W6TH stated
To whom it may concern:
AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
According to this, the CC&R rules and regulations are UN- constitutional.
You signed a contract that was written with deference to people who do not like antennas. You go to court. You lose. DUE PROCESS. You were denied your rights legally because you signed them away.
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>You signed a contract that was written with deference to people who do not like antennas. You go to court. You lose. DUE PROCESS. You were denied your rights legally because you signed them away.<
It really is about that simple. When one is of age to sign a binding contract and does so with a witness to notarize that action, as is always the case in escrow closings, your rights may be quite different from what they were before signing said contract. CC&Rs don't cause anyone to lose life, liberty or pursuit of happiness in the context intended by the Founding Fathers. They're simple restrictions by private land deal and not common law.
The way to help stop the spread of restrictive covenants, and eventually eliminate those already in exsitence, is to simply never buy property having any. If everyone followed this rule, within a matter of months, there would be no more CC&Rs anywhere, as nobody would be buying properties having them.
Every single sale of a conventant restricted property reinforces the conclusion that they are good and desirable, so that eventually every scrap of property anywhere will have same. If you've purchased a deed restricted property, you're part of the problem.
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WB2WIK wrote:
"CC&Rs don't cause anyone to lose life, liberty or pursuit of happiness in the context intended by the Founding Fathers. They're simple restrictions by private land deal and not common law."
That's true. But it's not the whole story.
"The way to help stop the spread of restrictive covenants, and eventually eliminate those already in exsitence, is to simply never buy property having any. If everyone followed this rule, within a matter of months, there would be no more CC&Rs anywhere, as nobody would be buying properties having them."
Easy to say but impractical in real life. See below.
"Every single sale of a conventant restricted property reinforces the conclusion that they are good and desirable, so that eventually every scrap of property anywhere will have same. If you've purchased a deed restricted property, you're part of the problem."
It's not that simple.
Most deed restrictions/covenants are written in
such a way as to be self-perpetuating. You not
only agree to abide by them when you buy the
property - you also agree to pass them on to the
next buyer. Unless the seller is the person who
wrote the restriction/covenant originally, s/he
cannot simply cross it off when selling.
It's easy to say "never buy a restricted property", and in some cases easy to do. But in some areas it's
very difficult if not impossible to find unrestricted
housing that is for sale when you want to buy, at a
price you can afford, that fills your family's needs. Many if not most hams don't have the luxury
of being able to put their antenna desires above
things like price, school district, safety, commute
time, access to stores/medical care/extended family,
etc., etc., etc.
You may say that *you* never had a problem finding
an unrestricted property, and that's great! But your
home selection criteria aren't everyone's.
Then there's the case of people who bought a house
before they discovered ham radio. Are they supposed
to move?
There *are* constitutional issues involved. You
cannot make a legally binding contract to do something
that is clearly not legal.
For example, I have read of properties where the
CC&Rs (written decades ago) forbade selling to
people of certain religions and/or racial/ethnic
groups. These were overturned as unconstitutional,
because they were discriminatory on the basis of
religion and/or race.
The satellite and broadcast TV folks went all the
way to the Supremes on the "no antennas" rule -
and *won*. Their argument was that in many areas,
a prohibition on outside antennas effectively
forced the owners to be captive customers of cable
companies. (btw, that's the main reason 'no antennas'
restrictions were created!). The Supremes ruled
that such restrictions were unconstitutional bans
on interstate commerce and were therefore null and
void *for TV receiving antennas only*.
One more fact: Depending on the state, finding
out about CC&Rs can be easy or hard. In my case,
I had to specifically ask for them, explain what
they were and what I was looking for, get the RE
lawyer to obtain copies from the county seat and
interpret them for me. None of my neighbors even
knew the restrictions existed! (nothing on antennas
in them). They were only mentioned by one sentence
in the title that talked about "other restrictions
as set forth in " and then referred to a completely
separate document on file for the entire development.
And my house was built in 1950!
73 de Jim, N2EY
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RE: Easy Up Mast for CC&R Hams
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by W6TH on April 5, 2005
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KG6MUN
Ok, that was the answer I wanted to put over. The signers of the CC&R have given all of the said rights to the owner.
But however I also want to bring out this point for those that are installing play houses and antennas and think they are getting away with it are highly mistaken.
Those people have signed a contract and should they install a play house or mast for anything for their own use, they have broken the contract and becomes a breach of contract.
Therefor the ham that has done so is in danger of being evicted, having to move or sell his home, pay a very high fine and in some cases a jail sentence.
N2LK, think about what you have done to your contract and be aware of the conseqence for breaking the contract.
It is correct you no longer have the right to install what is mentioned in the contract, however it does not hold true when you are a home owner and no other contracts are involved, then it will come under the
AMENDMENT XIV.
I have another CC&R and to read and decide as to what you have and not have and this should stop all of the bickering of the CC&R and we can now say; read your contract and do what WB2WIK mentions and that is don't buy or may get a group and picket would also help and maybe change the thought of buyers who will notice of what not to buy.May change the owners as well.
EHAM is here to make waves and why not?
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RE: Easy Up Mast for CC&R Hams
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by KC9OD on April 5, 2005
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The rainbow flag is out,I find ac/dc rigs a shock hazard.
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