Need a Real Estate Agent?
Tom Branch (K4NR)
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I’m often amazed after reading postings on this and other amateur radio pages concerning real estate professionals and their apparent lack of knowledge when it comes to homes for amateur radio operators. As a REALTOR® and a radio operator I realized that all too often the unhappy ham had simply retained the wrong real estate consultant. While we all have the skills to assist buyers, few have the specialized knowledge to understand the unique needs of the amateur radio operator.
Homes4Hams (
http://www.homes4hams.com) was formed in an effort to bring real estate professionals who are also amateur radio operators together with hams looking to purchase or sell property. The site has been running for about a year and we now have real estate professionals in 11 states. The site was recently expanded to include mortgage loan officers, other real estate-related services, and “For Sale By Owner” properties.
The long-term goal is to have real estate professionals in all 50 states who can better assist amateur radio operators with their unique real estate needs. If you know of a ham real estate professional or a ham buy or selling property, please mention Homes4Hams. Homes4Hams is a free service for the amateur radio community.
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by W5KAP on April 20, 2005
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I've known Tom a many years and I can state categorically, he's the guy to go to. Tom was an Air Force First Sergeant and is adept at problem solving. On top of that he is a first class ham. If you need this kind of service, Tom's the guy to see.
de Kenn W5KAP
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by LNXAUTHOR on April 20, 2005
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- tks for posting this info... i would have loved to have found a ham-friendly/knowledgable real estate agent for our recent search...
- unfortunately i only see one agent for the whole state of Florida listed on the site?
- we did luck out though; our agent drove around with my wife looking for towers in nicer neighborhoods... [i was more than a thousand miles away] finally found a place w/an HOA that allows antennas and life is good... (i have since referred folks to our agent - she did an outstanding job and caught on to check covenants, etc. right away for any prospective property early in the search)
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by N6AJR on April 20, 2005
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good job, it would be nice to have a realator who knows how tall a tower you can put up, and not refer to our hoby as CB..
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by KG4YJR on April 20, 2005
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It would be nice to see more land developers get involved too. Brand new subdivisions with minimal to no antenna restrictions except perhaps county ordinances and safety safety/RF guidelines or perhaps have a small lot or two with a 200' tower and lease positions on it for a small maintenance fee to the property owners who use it remotely and....no overhead power lines.
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Dave
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by K4NR on April 20, 2005
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Several of our local ham real estate folks have discussed the idea of a ham-friendly sub-division where the HOA has the towers and antennas. It's an interesting concept.
We did manage to convince a new developer in the northern part of Collin County to allow towers and antennas. We negotiated a 70 foot height limit and three towers per lot. It's a small development with about 50 lots that are about 1.5 acres each. I know of three hams out there already.
73 de Tom, K4NR
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by W2SRH on April 20, 2005
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Any chance that someone knows a Realtor in central NJ who is either a ham, or at least knows the difference between amateur radio and FRS?
My wife (KC2NSY) and myself will be looking for a home soon, and while I am learning a lot of the questions to ask of an agent and an area, it would definitely be helpful to have someone who not only knows the ins and outs of real estate but also some of the HOA, CC&R and zoning issues that we might face (and hopefully avoid).
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by NY7Q on April 21, 2005
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Problem here in Idaho: all new subdivisions are either gated with HOA or just have HOA, and I have read many of them and they all state no antennas under any circumstance unless it is a TV dish. I just purchased a retirement home in a HOA community and tried to obtain a variance with no luck. I put up a tower anyway, and within a week was contacted by HOA to take it down. I was slow at it and was charged $25.00 a day from the date of their letter until I finally dropped it. I have contacted many builders, and they all gave me a impression that ham radio was lowly to sales of their homes. The state will not help. I contacted attorney general, and was very disappointed with that result. So, I am working off a loop around my fence perimeter, 5 feet off the ground with marginal results. I also have a loop around eaves of house, with marginal results...Please, dont tell me to contact ARRL, I did, and they are NO HELP PERIOD. That is one of the reasons I resigned from them...The local attorney they referred me to, is the represenative for most of the builders in my area...
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by WA1VKO on April 21, 2005
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NY7Q
This is my first response to to a posting on this web site but I could not resist. Let me get this straight. You knowingly purchased a home in a restricted community. You knew it prohibited antennas from the beginning. You put some up anyway and it cost you $25 a day until you took it down. So after knowingly doing all these things, that you had prior knowledge were not allowed, you are now angry at the ARRL for not fixing things and have resigned because of it. You have to be kidding me. Look in the mirror to see the one at fault and the one you should be angry with. Don't blame the ARRL and attorney's they may have referred you to after the fact. Be a man (or woman) and accept the responsibility for a poor decision in purchasing this property.
MURPH
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by W6TH on April 21, 2005
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HOA ( Hams Only Allowed ).
CC&R ( Crystal Controlled and Receivers ) at this location.
Oh well, the state you live in is suppose to protect the interest of its citizens according to the Constitution. Might be a good idea to look into Iraq as there seems to be no antenna problems.
.:AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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by NY7Q on April 21, 2005
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Hey Murph, you cant purchase a new home in Idaho without going into a HOA. I met with builder and realtor to resolve the antenna before I built.. They both said they would look the other way.
WHERE WOULD YOU HAVE ME MOVE???? MAKE SURE U UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU CAN NOT MOVE INTO A NEW HOME WITHOUT A HOA IN IDAHO...YES, I went to arrl for help and they sent me to the Builders Attorney...CB/Ham radio ops are hated in this area.
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by VE3VVF on April 21, 2005
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When you say a "new" home, do you mean one that is in a newer neighbourhood or has just been built or just new to you. Can you buy an older home in an older neighbourhood?
Just curious,
73 de Scott, VE3VVF
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by W6TH on April 21, 2005
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Due process of the law, even our supreme courts do not have a answer to what the meaning of due process means.
Amendments to the Constitution
Article I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This is BS.
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Now dig deeper into the construction of these new homes and the CC&R and find out who basically owns this property the homes are placed upon. Also who finances these homes.
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by NY7Q on April 21, 2005
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scott, brand new home, designed by me. Older homes are available here and there, but it was a dream house for us. I didnt want another "used" home. It is impossible to get a home built in this area without HOA restriction...some good, some bad...but I like my house and neighborhood, just hate antenna restrictions.
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by KK7WN on April 21, 2005
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First let me say that I have been subject to CC&Rs that restrict antennas and other activities. Yes, they can be an annoyance at times but they also have benefits in that they reduce the degree to which " innocent parties" are subjected to the excesses of others careless behavior. Ham's should not become obsessed with the thought that others are anti radio. It is usually the case that people are usually trying to defend themseles from other's excessive behaviors that spill into the public domain. Such things also include turning one's front yard into an "auto shop", a storage yard for junk that does not fit into one's house, a public entertainment venue, etc. Freedom entails resposibitity, and when responsibilty is perceived to be ignored, the result is less freedom, rigidly and inefficiently imposed, by legal fiat (CC&Rs, etc.). Most folks that I have encountered have never been anti Ham. What they have been opposed to are antennas that "significantly" impose on their visual space. If you feel the need to have an expansive antenna array, you need to locate where it is appropriate and accepted. Ham radio does have a cost beyond the price of equipment.It has cost in that it can't be practiced in an unfettered fashion wherever one pleases, just as target practice can't be allowed in a congested neighborhood.CC&Rs are just another type of price that allocates resources in a no "free lunch" world! Looking for real estate that fits one's hobby activities is sensible, responsible and economic.
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by NY7Q on April 21, 2005
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kk7wn. well it is impossible to find non hoa in this area unless of course you want to build in the middle of country or in run down areas. i choose to live in a nice house in a nice area. i have the best looking landscaping, won the naborhood award for such, i take in my garbage cans, i park my rv in a storage facility, but a 53 ft tower is not acceptable.(with a three element) none of the nabors complained, i went to each one. it is the strict hoa that the builders all run, cut and dry no antennas, no variances.
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by AB5XZ on April 21, 2005
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N7YQ,
I don't know your whole story, but you need to know that assurances from builders and agents are not worth anything unless they are IN WRITING, and even then may be worthless depending on what other contractual and legal barriers exist.
My subdivision has eight sections, each with different deed restrictions. The first three sections do not mention antennas, and the later sections get more and more restrictive of antennas.
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by WA1VKO on April 21, 2005
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NY7Q
Well I suppose your comment that I should "kiss your ass" is a good indication why I have not posted here before and probably will not again. It's a shame that is an image you wnat to present to people who may read this forum. Real nice way to portray a "Ham Radio Operator".
Good luck in the future
MURPH
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by AH6FC on April 21, 2005
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Nice post and idea. Unfortunately there are areas where essentially all of the real estate is covered under CC&R's. Sure sometimes they are not enforced.
Nevertheless, got to keep looking.
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by W4KYR on April 21, 2005
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Possible solutions,
Flag pole antenna.
You have a Wooden fence running around the property? Run a wire around the Wooden fence, its better than nothing. Do it at night.
In HOA , see if its possible to have woods behind your house. Throw a wire up in the trees.
If you have property right in back of your HOA house is not in the said HOA area and its on someone elses property- try to buy a couple of hundred feet of that property and put a tower there. Run the wire underground. Some people would not mind selling a 100 feet or so of their property.
If you buy land and the land has no deed restrictions, and you build a new house. No one can force a HOA on you. I can't see how a builder can force deed restrictions or a HOA on you if you have the house built yourself. So its not really true all new houses have deed/HOA restrictions.
Live in a apartment and have a big piece of land 40 miles away, do your hamming from there. Otherwise you can do mobile hamming or low power CW or PSK with a attic antenna.
If you find property that has deed restrictions, tell the seller that you would only buy IF there is a modification of the restrictions to allow ham antennas. Otherwise tell the seller to go take a hike.
If you are able in someway to get any modification of the HOA/restriction, get it in writing and and have your lawyer present and have everything notarized.
If you are planning to move to a area, BEFORE you even look for a house. Call, contact or visit/attend the local ham radio club of that area you intend to buy a house in. They might be able to offer suggestions.
Ask the people who already live in a subdivision about how strict the HOA/deed restrictions really are. Also importantly, visit the local county courthouse to look at the deed registry.
Never, never just rely on the seller, you must do your own inquiry.
Maybe even in a heavy HOA area, a local ham might be willing to sell some none HOA/deed restricted land to you.
Maybe just outside the HOA area there is a old house for sale on a piece of land that you can put up antennas or even a tower. If it comes down to it, every time you want to do hamming, you only have to travel a 1/2 mile or so. Its a pain, and its more expense , but it could work.
Good Luck
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by LNXAUTHOR on April 21, 2005
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- can any new Idaho hams verify that one can/cannot purchase a home in/not in an HOA?
- btw, i was totally prepared in case i was faced w/a 'no-antenna at the new QTH' situation...
- get the biggest honking screwdriver and mobile amplifier possible for my truck, then run control cable from the rig into the house!
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by W6TH on April 21, 2005
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I am a renter of homes, two to be exact and there is no way a ham operator will be allowed to install any sort of antenna system on my property.
All those wires hanging around, the sight of a beam antenna and most of all; interference to my television, telephones.
What happens to the antenna system when they decide to move? Am I suppose to pay expenses for the removal of such.
The CC&R and the HOA have one purpose in mind and that is to not make s slum area of their rented or sold property. Not all of those homes in a HOA or CC&R property are purchased as many are rentals.
You do not like our HOA or the CC&R? Move to where there are no restrictions and enjoy your style of living.
You are responsible for your doings and they are not mine.
P.S. I don't enjoy having 8 to 10 vehicles parked in or on the propety while the owner of the ham station has all those ham friends parked out doors and all working dx from the same transmitter setup.
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by W2SRH on April 21, 2005
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I'd like to thank most of you for taking this thread, which I found informative and hoped to get more information for myself (and maybe others in similar situations and areas), and turning it into a combination of NIMBY (not in my back yard), TANSTAAFL (there ain't no such thing as a free lunch), name calling and arguments for and against HOAs and CC&Rs. There are, of course, a few who kept "on topic" and didn't degrade themselves one way or another, giving information that might be helpful - you know who you are, and likely know you're not included in the above mentioned groups.
Some people think that HOAs are good, and they help property value and "quality of life". They're entitled to their opinion. Some people think it's a bunch of landscape nazis who have nothing better to do than complain that your tulips are yellow, not red. They're entitled to their opinion as well. Just remember that opinions are like [rear ends] - everybody's got one, and most people think everyone else's stinks.
And folks wonder why there seems to be some animosity among ham radio operators, and why some people think they wouldn't be welcome in the hobby.
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by GHOSTRIDERHF on April 21, 2005
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NY7Q
I am still surprised that you knowlingly bought a home with a strigent HOA and then you get upset that they enforce it...
I also am surprised that anyone would "trust" the words of a relator or salesperson saying that they would look the other way -- of course they can look nyway they want -- its the HOA thats going to enforce the rules....
You are lucky that they only charged your 25.00 a day -- in most places they would have simply put a lien on your home and make you spend thousands fighting for it in court...
and why are you mad at the ARRL -- they did not make you move into a house that had a HOA --
Its like saying that you are mad at Ford becuase you got a ticket for going to fast ....
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by N6AYW on April 21, 2005
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NY7Q,
You are truly in a situation of YOUR OWN creation. I have to agree completely with WA1VKO. Your attitude is childish, and your comments to him are way out of line.
If you want to cry to someone, look in the mirror. And in the process, you might consider an apology because it would certainly be in order.
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by W6TH on April 21, 2005
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Hey man, keep ARRL out of this. They. the ARRL have the best published books in the entire world. That's enough to keep them occupied for other benfits of ham radio.
Fight you own battles and leave the ARRL alone.
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by NY7Q on April 21, 2005
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WHERE I LIVE THE HOA IS THE REALTOR AND BUILDER. WE LOWLY HOME OWNERS ARE NOT INCLUDED. THATS THE WAY IT IS HERE. THEY ENFORCE ALL THE CC&RS. THE TERM HOA IS A ACRONYM THAT DOESNT SHOW THE TRUE MEANING. THE HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION IS NOT A HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE NO SAY. THE BUILDER DOES ALL THE TALKING. AND YES, I COVERED THIS WITH THE BUILDER BEFORE I BUILT THE HOUSE. IT IS PAID FOR, AND UP FOR SALE RIGHT NOW. I HAVE DECIDED TO BUILD IN THE COUNTRY. IN SPITE OF FACT I LIKE THE HOUSE AND NABORHOOD.
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by NY7Q on April 21, 2005
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N6AYW, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING CHILD LIKE. THE OTHER GUY RESPONDED TO ME LIKE HE DIDNT READ MY POST TOTALLY. AND I ASSUMED HE COULD READ BETWEEN THE LINES, ANYWAY, SORRY I OFFENDED YOU AND HIM. I AM A 71 YEAR OLD TEENAGER.
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by K9WLF on April 21, 2005
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I had a simple time of it with my Real Estate Agent, last year when my fiance and I were looking for a home here in central Florida. All I needed to tell her that I wanted a home without any CC&R's and HOA's so I could put up antennas for Amateur Radio and the 3rd house she showed me, we fell in love with and found out that in the same community there is another Ham. Non HOA homes can be found in nice neighborhoods. it is also a change from the big city to live in Podunk. I don't live in an upscale neighborhood, but the people who live in this sub division, as my fiance calls it, are hard working and take pride in their homes.
Tom, K9WLF
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by AC0H on April 21, 2005
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When the wife and I were looking for a new QTH last summer I made it clear in no-uncertain-terms to both the wife and the realtor that we wouldn't be interested in any area with restictive CC&R's, and that HOA's were out.
I also made it perfectly clear to the realtor that any and all "nasty little surprises" at tower time would come back to haunt both her and her employer.
I thought I read here one time that even if you get the developers written waiver of the CC&R's for you're property, one of your neighbors could still cause all sorts of hell because they bought with the expectation of those CC&R's applying to all homes in the developement.
One more step on the slippery slope of forced uniformity and conformity. Once all of our houses,living circumstances, and pay are alike we can be herded like the cattle we've become.
Welcome to AMERIKA!
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by W2RS on April 21, 2005
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I'm not going to get into the thread about CC&Rs, their pros and cons, etc., except simply to emphasize one point that's already been made: "investigate before you invest." Find, read and be sure you understand all the applicable CC&Rs, ordinances, etc., before buying any property. My good friend Fred Hopengarten, K1VR, has written an excellent book on this subject, published by ARRL, which I strongly recommend.
Rather, I want to relate my own experience. A year ago I made the decision to relocate to the Tucson area from New Jersey. (Several winters too many :-) ) I had identified two general areas of Pima County in which I was interested. Knowing that CC&Rs were a problem there, and also that area hams had recently won a big fight to defeat a proposed county ordinance that would have severely restricted towers, I reached out to the local radio clubs and, through them, sought out several of the leading hams in those communities. (BTW, ARRL is an excellent place to start in identifying them.) I asked their advice, and also for referrals to knowledgeable local real estate professionals experienced in working with hams.
The Arizona hams couldn't have been more helpful. I wound up with two such Realtors, one in each community. Neither was a ham herself, but both had been "around the track" for many years and had a thorough knowledge of their neighborhoods as well as the antenna situations. After looking at lots of properties and talking with many local people (many of them hams), I decided that one of the communities (Green Valley) met my personal needs better than the other, so I concentrated my search there.
Although most of Green Valley has CC&R issues of varying severity and enforcement depending upon the specific neighborhood involved, I found and decided to purchase the house in which I am writing this: a 25-year-old custom home on 1.5 acres with no CC&Rs governing antennas and no HOA.
No, it isn't a new house. That would have been more of a problem, at least around here. But it does meet my needs. Depending upon your own situation, I hope that at least some of my own experience proves helpful.
73,
Ray W2RS
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by N3ZKP on April 21, 2005
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NY7Q:
<< Please, dont tell me to contact ARRL, I did, and they are NO HELP PERIOD. That is one of the reasons I resigned from them...>>
What did you expect them to do? You knowingly signed a contract containing a no-antenna clause, put one up anyway and then get ticked because no one will help bail you out of a mess you yourself created?
The sheer stupidity of some hams ...
Lon
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by W4SKB on April 21, 2005
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I don't remember where I fouind this but it may be useful in real estate negotiations.
(Existing construction)
Addendum to offer to purchase between __________________ ______________________ Buyers, and ________________________ _________________________________ Sellers, for the purchase of the property at ______________________________
This offer is further contingent upon inspection by buyer and buyer�s attorney of the applicable covenants, conditions, restrictions of record, homeowner�s association rules (if any), or other documents restricting the use and occupancy of the land and premises in order to determine whether such documents contain any restrictions which would prohibit buyer from erecting and maintaining his amateur radio antennae and supporting structure not less than _____ feet in height on the property. Within fourteen (14) days of the signing of this agreement, seller or seller�s attorney shall furnish to buyer�s attorney a spotted survey showing all improvements, restrictions and easements, and a copy of the existing title policy or other documents showing such covenants conditions or restrictions of record as well as copies of any homeowner�s association rules and regulations affecting the property. Buyer and buyer�s attorney shall have fourteen days thereafter to inspect the documents to determine whether the restrictions or conditions therein are acceptable to buyer. Should easements, covenants, conditions, restrictions of record, homeowner association rules or regulations exist so that buyer�s installation of the aforementioned antenna and support structure may, in buyer�s sole opinion, be inhibited or precluded, at buyer�s option this contract shall be deemed null and void, and all obligations of both parties canceled and all deposits refunded promptly.
Buyers Sellers
Date:
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(New Construction/Subdivision)
ADDENDUM
A. Purchaser has informed Seller that Purchaser is a licensed amateur radio operator, and Seller warrants that no covenants, conditions, restrictions of record, homeowner association rules or requirements presently exist or have been or will be recorded prior to closing, which would or which may be construed to restrict or prohibit Purchaser, from and after closing and delivery of the premises, from installing and maintaining amateur radio antennae and support structure not less than XXX feet in height on the property. Seller further agrees that no such covenants, conditions or restrictions of record will be imposed by Seller or his transferees or assigns in any plat of subdivision or Planned Unit Development agreement affecting the property recorded hereafter. Seller agrees to provide Purchaser, within fourteen (14) days of the signing of this agreement, and again ten (10) days prior to closing, with a copy of the recorded plat of subdivision and all other documents showing all covenants, conditions or restrictions of record, homeowner association rules or regulations running with the land or affecting the property. Should such covenants, conditions, restrictions of record, homeowner association rules or regulations exist on either date such that Purchaser�s installation of the aforementioned antenna and support structure may be Inhibited or precluded, at Purchaser�s option this contract shall be deemed null and void, and all obligations of both parties canceled and all deposits refunded promptly.
B. Seller further agrees, that to the extent Seller is the owner of property located within 300 feet of the subject property, Seller will provide Purchaser with a statement that Seller, as owner of adjacent properties, has no objection to the granting of a building permit for an amateur radio antenna support structure by the local municipality.
C. The promises and covenants by the Seller contained In Paragraphs A and B hereof shall survive the closing of this transaction, notwithstanding the delivery of the deed by Seller.
Buyers Sellers
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by WB2WIK on April 21, 2005
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Here's an interesting tidbit of news.
The second largest city in the U.S. has passed every other place in America for:
-Influx of new home buyers
-Median cost of a single-family home ($568,000)
-Fastest sales turns (average 9 days), listing to sale
-Annual percentage increase in selling price of homes (~20% annually for six consecutive years)
-Number of homes sold (and purchased) in first quarter 2005
The April 21, 2005 edition of the Los Angeles Daily News, page B1, reports, "With inventory sinking to one of its lowest levels ever, the median price of a San Fernando Valley home hit a record high of $525,000 in March amid strong sales," per Data Quick Information Systems. "The single family home price, which gained an annual 18.8 percent, or $83,000, pushed bargain hunters into the less-expensive condominum market. Last month, the condo median price also rose to a record $358,000 -- 19 percent, or $57,300 more, than in March 2004."
"Upward pressure on the single family median home price came from (the San Fernando Valley communities of) Calabasas, Tarzana and Encino, whose median home costs are $1.12 million, $1.1 million and $1 million, respectively." (These are communities with many thousands of homes -- they're not small.)
Now, the *good news* is that L.A. remains an extremely ham-friendly city, specifically providing for amateur radio antennas and towers without need for a variance (conditional use permit), and that *covenant-free* properties still far outnumber the properties for sale having restrictive covenants here.
This is a place where, based on the data: Everybody wants to live, there aren't nearly enough homes available for sale compared to willing buyers, and ANTENNA RESTRICTIONS are relatively rare. It's also currently, on average, the most expensive real estate in the country.
Think about that:
High demand = high prices, still consistent with few restrictive covenants.
Who would have thought?
L.A. is a place where on average (median home price) a homeowner can earn $227.40 PER DAY by sitting home and doing nothing except watching his home value appreciate, based on March 2005 figures. That's $1591.80 weekly earnings, for simply owning an average and not particularly great house.
Move to Idaho? Heck.
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by NY7Q on April 21, 2005
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n3zkp, go back and read the posts. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I had a builder/realtor verbal agreement that there would be no problem BEFORE I built the house. Yes, I should have gotten it in writing, but usually up here in Idaho, things are still done on a hand shake, something you easterners dont know much about any longer. When the builder/realtor/hoa(one in the same) changed his mind because a a lost sale behind me, I then contacted the arrl. they referred me to a book that they sell...what a deal.....
But, anyway, I think I will back out of here, because it is getting more and more stupid like you.
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WB2WIK/6, that is of course providing that one wants to live in a 100x100 mile area (approx.)containing some 8.5 million people!
That massive California population is one of the reasons why I now reside happily in Oklahoma, on 40 acres, that cost me less than I paid for 10 acres in the Fresno area.
Building permit? What's that? HOA, CC&R and so on...what are all these alphabet soup things you guys are talking about? Never heard of them. :-)
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Too bad that the state of Washington is not listed on that site.
But, I have already started researching my options for an eventual move so that I can grow antennas -- big ones. I currently live in a 30 year old neighborhood that has a very limited CC&R on the property. I have two antennas but no tower. I don't have a tower because I don't have the room but a neighbor not far away has three towers on his property and the tallest is 125 feet.
However, if it is a new housing development here in this area, not only does it have very restrictive CC&Rs but there is almost always an HOA that is in place too. HOAs are becoming more common due to the fact that many little housing communities do have common areas (playgrounds, swimming pools, or other facilities) that need to be maintained and supported -- thus, the HOA plus the fact that monthly dues are often required.
And, you cannot get away from CC&Rs because that is the legal document that almost every piece of property has associated with it to govern the rights of various parties such as the county, city, or special right-aways for utilities or special rules for how close to the property line you may install your toolshed or whatever. If you buy a piece of property out in the country, the CC&R is very limited in what it contains and you can bet that it says nothing about antennas unless your property is part of some larger community arena.
I intend to acquire about 10 to 20 acres just to make sure that I am far away from any neighbors and I have room for what I want to do. I will move north out of King County (the world's worst form of government) where the country side is more open and cheaper. Ten acres where I live right now is probably about $5 million or more. Ten acres 30 miles north is probably about $150,000.
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by N0TONE on April 21, 2005
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NY7Q wrote:
"...I had a builder/realtor verbal agreement that there would be no problem BEFORE I built the house. Yes, I should have gotten it in writing, but usually up here in Idaho, things are still done on a hand shake,..."
Evidently not - your experience demonstrates the faultiness of said handshake. Handshake deals only work with both parties wanted the deal anyway. I've heard so many stories like this....
"... something you easterners dont know much about any longer..."
Your experience surely shows that "us westerners" don't know much about it either.
Larry, I'm not sure why you're having a problem. A good pal of mine just moved to Twin Falls to retire - a few years ago, maybe four or five. He found a twelve acre plot, confirmed that it had no CC&Rs whatsoever, and then built a house, acting as his own General Contractor. No CC&Rs of any sort. He's now got four towers, one is a contesting stack with 4/4, 5/5 type arrays for specific bands, that's 180 feet high. You can see his place from I-84, although with my eyes, I need a binocular. He said it was pretty easy to find - lots of places out there without any restrictions. I pointed him to this discussion and he laughed - he's never heard of a "gated" community in Idaho, feeling those are resereved for parts of the country with a lot of illegal immigrant crime.
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by WB2WIK on April 21, 2005
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Interesting. I just checked the MLS for listings in Caldwell, ID, where NY7Q is from.
There are 618 homes and properties for sale in this community that I never even heard of before, about 10 miles northwest of Nampa.
Six hundred eighteen of them. That's more listings than there are in all of the City of Los Angeles at this present time. L.A. has four million people. How many does Caldwell, ID have?
I'm suspecting that everybody wants to move out of Caldwell, ID -- not just NY7Q. Something's going on, there...
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I think that some of you are missing the point...
NY7Q wants to blame two people for his failure and is taking no responsibility for his own mistakes.
One he wants to blame the buildier/real estate agent for supposignly lying to him to make a sell. Imagine that -- a salesperson streching the truth to make a sell...!!!! He got NOTHING in writing. For all we know the builder may have thought he wanted to simply put up an TV aerial or figue that this guy was gullible enough to buy a house with getting nothing in writing --.
Second - he wants to blame the ARRL for not launching their entire legal dept to fight his inability to go into contract negotiations (or be smart enough to realize that simply being in the West that it takes more then a handshake to seal a bargain).
I have a question -- once ARRL told you to blow off -- why didnt you get an attorney loclly --
I know why -- becuase you, like the ARRL knows that you were wrong the moment you asumed that "we shook hands on it and in IDAHO thats good as gold"...
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by WB2WIK on April 21, 2005
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WB2WIK/6, that is of course providing that one wants to live in a 100x100 mile area (approx.)containing some 8.5 million people!
That massive California population is one of the reasons why I now reside happily in Oklahoma, on 40 acres, that cost me less than I paid for 10 acres in the Fresno area.<
I'm sure. And of course, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla. I moved to L.A. from the east coast, and just absolutely love it here, and have for the past 17 years.
I spent a lot of time in the Tusla area, as I was dating a YL from Broken Arrow, OK -- so I know parts of OK pretty well, but not all of it. Wasn't my cup of tea, although I'll admit I miss some of the best steaks I've ever tasted and the barbecue is to die for! (If you don't die of the cholesterol overload first...)
Your 40 acres there that cost less than 10 acres in Fresno probably also costs less than 1/2 acre where I am, but I don't need 40 acres. Just nice neighbors, an XYL who couldn't care less about antennas one way or the other and no antenna restrictions!
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Steve WB2WIK/6
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First off, people are not moving from Caldwell, they are moving in to the area in the droves. Two main builders have a. 4500 new homes built and b. the other about 3800 new homes..people are moving from california, arizona and new mexico for some reason in the droves. We are the second fastest growing community in Idaho, and seventh in the US. So folks are not moving out...We have about 130 thousand folks in the area, growing daily. Call any real estate office in Boise, Caldwell or Nampa. By the way, Nampa and Caldwell have merged together now, almost as one. Kinda like Long Beach CA and Lakewood, Ca. Cant tell when you leave one to the other.
SO, NOW I AM OUTTA THIS MESS. MY ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS TO RELATE WHAT HAPPENED AND SOME OF YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE MORE OF IT THAN IT IS...It is trivial, and taken care of now...so flame on...
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First off, people are not moving from Caldwell, they are moving in to the area in the droves. Two main builders have a. 4500 new homes built and b. the other about 3800 new homes..people are moving from california, arizona and new mexico for some reason in the droves. We are the second fastest growing community in Idaho, and seventh in the US. So folks are not moving out...We have about 130 thousand folks in the area, growing daily. Call any real estate office in Boise, Caldwell or Nampa. By the way, Nampa and Caldwell have merged together now, almost as one. Kinda like Long Beach CA and Lakewood, Ca. Cant tell when you leave one to the other.<
Cool stuff. I've been to Boise and Nampa a number of times because Micron Computer is there (Nampa) and HP's in Boise; other than that, I don't know the area very well.
However, the "numbers" you quoted are so far off the numbers from the Caldwell Chamber of Commerce, something weird's going on, there.
The C of C indicates:
2003 pop Caldwell = 29466
2003 pop Nampa = 51867
Combined = 81333
If that's now 130K, that *is* a heck of a lot of growth! Maybe it's true, I can't tell.
But interestingly, per the C of C:
New house construction permits issued in 2003 = 650
Average selling price of home in 2003 = $98,400
If that's now up to "8300 new homes" as you say, that's an increase of 12.8 to one, in a year or so. Possible? I guess. Amazing is more like it.
Especially when one considers that according to research stats, Caldwell, ID has a fairly high crime rate, compared to the nation (crime index of 509, while national index is 330.6) and a below average education level (very small percentage of population graduated college), which usually does fit with a higher crime rate.
If people are moving there in droves, it must be for the low housing costs because I can't see any other advantages.
BTW, I look at *all* this stuff before I move. And a lot more than that. But, then, I've moved fifteen times and have some experience in this area.
I agree about towns eventually blending in with each other, although if they have separate governments, they will never have the same metrics. Good observation about Long Beach and Lakewood -- I'm happy to not live near either one of those! :)
73 & good luck with the future antenna farm!
Steve, WB2WIK/6
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Any chance that someone knows a Realtor in central NJ who is either a ham, or at least knows the difference between amateur radio and FRS?
My wife (KC2NSY) and myself will be looking for a home soon, and while I am learning a lot of the questions to ask of an agent and an area, it would definitely be helpful to have someone who not only knows the ins and outs of real estate but also some of the HOA, CC&R and zoning issues that we might face (and hopefully avoid).<
Looks like you're not moving that far if you're in Ewing Township rightn now. Of course, NJ is a very small state, and "central NJ" is even smaller. Having grown up there, I'd say "central NJ" is from the greater Trenton area to the central seashore in Ocean County, plus or minus 25 miles up and down.
There are *many* places that are covenant-free there. My old friend Ivars, now KC4PX in FL, used to be KC2PX in Belle Mead, NJ (a northern suburb of Princeton) and has one level acre there with no antenna restrictions of any kind, and it turned out to be a very good ham radio location. That neighborhood's still there, still nice, and still has no restrictions.
My old friend George, W2VJN, who now lives in Oregon, used to live on a hilltop in Princeton Twp and had a *great* ham radio location for contesting, DXing or VHF work. George had big towers. Definitely no antenna restrictions in that neighborhood. If you want details on where that is, contact George directly, his e-mail address here in eHam is correct.
I lived in Monmouth County at the Jersey shore, close to the beach (West Long Branch) in a neighborhood that had no CC&Rs or antenna restrictions, although the zoning board could be "fussy." I had two towers on my property there, and did have a permit, which required a zoning board hearing. I could only be issued the permit after the board had no objections from neighbors (there weren't any). But at least there weren't any covenants.
A good realtor who knows what he/she is doing helps a lot, but using local hams who *really* know the ins-and-outs about restrictions can be a valuable resource.
WB2WIK/6
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This "area" consists of ADA, and Canyon counties, encompasses Boise, Nampa, Kuna, Meridan, and Caldwell, all within 25 miles of downtown Boise. That is what I meant by area. C of C figures are close. But housing starts are way off. Yes, housing is alot cheaper here for the square footage, but changing almost daily because of the large influx of people moving in. That is main reason people flock here, the other is the wholesome living style, consisting of all ethnic backgrounds. We dont have the racial problems other parts of country have. Of course it is changing, because people coming in bring their own set of former problems. Gangs are becoming known here now, something just 5 years ago was unknown to the area. The incomes in this area historically have been lower than in most parts of US. But that too is changing.
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All of these things are all well and good but only address the issue of looking for a piece of property that you intend to purchase. It is really a no brainer to say that if you don't want to live under restrictive CC&Rs, then don't buy in a development that has them.
My wife and I did just that. We carefully studied every word in the CC&Rs of the area where we wanted to buy. The word antenna is not even mentioned. The house is on 3 acres and is one of only 14 homes in the development. Having moved from a suburban lot, the only antenna I had at the time was a Cushcraft R7 vertical. I planted the thing in the back yard along with a few well-placed ground rods and I was on the air. Within about 6 months, the president and vice-president of the HOA came knocking on our door. They had a petition signed by the other 13 home owners that would ammend the CC&Rs with a new section that prohibited all outdoor antennas except for satellite dishes of 24" or less. I asked the president what she called her father's father to which she replied, "Grandfather".
Yes, I know all about the FCC's OTARD and presented it to the HOA and advised them that an outright ban on antennas was in violation of this. Anyway, the CC&R exists and they can't make me take down any existing antennas.
The bottom line is that even if you move into a development that has no restrictions against antennas, that does not mean that the homeowners can not change their mind at any future time. People move in and people move out and people change their mind. There is no guarantee that you will be able to live a long and peaceful life without being bothered by people who do not understand ham radio if you live in a subdivision. The only solution appears to be buying a piece of property that is not part of any development.
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Not the ARRLs fault that you BOUGHT a home _KNOWING_ there was a restriction, and signed a contract. Sorry - you blew it
Folks, beside the LEGAL circumstances, when you sign a contract, your giving your WORD.
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by KG2V on April 22, 2005
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Where would we have you move?
Into an older home?
Into one you have built FOR you on vacant land?
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by KG2V on April 22, 2005
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OK,
You want a NEW house, in a certain area, with NO CC&R
You _CAN_ do it. It won't be easy, but I'll guarntee it _CAN_ be done
These developments are being built on land that was owned by SOMEONE before the builder bought the land. In most places, it's an old farm.
The answer is - BUY the farm direct - yep, the whole darned place. Yep, it costs BIG bucks. Then YOU subdivide the land, and sell all but the part YOU want. (BTW when you are selling it to the builder - YOU can put your OWN CC&R on it - like antennas allowed) You now own an empty plot of land that has NO CC&R because it has not gone through a builder/agent
NOW you call a builder and say "I want a custom built house. I already own the land, the bank is financing, your building" The builder never owns the land, he can't set restrictions
The ONLY reason the builder can set CC&Rs is because he owns/owned the land that the house was built on
The trick is to not let him buy the land. Ditto the real estate agent. Don't buy from them. You might buy THROUGH them, but not from them. The BIG problem is that you might have to shell out for 20-30 acres, and go through the work of sub-dividing yourself
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by KY6R on April 22, 2005
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I have a friend who retired and moved to a place I would love to move to one day. Very heavy CC&R's, but he did think about his options in advance.
He mounted a Big Steppir inside a grove of bamboo and painted the fiberglass tube to look like one of the bamboo stalks. He buried 60 radials before he planted grass, and has a killer signal on all bands from 40 - 10M. He worked 300 entities this way within 5 years.
I've also used a Force-12 Sigma 5 GT, and the GT in the name is for "Garden Trellis". It is a very good antenna for 20 - 10M. You could hang a bunch of those cheesy plastic "basket with fake plants" on it. You could paint it black or dark green.
So if you find yourself in a restrictive neighborhood - you might have a hard time trying to go stealth on 160 and 80M, but you can still have fun on 40 -10M.
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by WB2WIK on April 22, 2005
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>The bottom line is that even if you move into a development that has no restrictions against antennas, that does not mean that the homeowners can not change their mind at any future time. People move in and people move out and people change their mind. There is no guarantee that you will be able to live a long and peaceful life without being bothered by people who do not understand ham radio if you live in a subdivision. The only solution appears to be buying a piece of property that is not part of any development.<
Yes and no. But I agree wholeheartedly that the only way to avoid CC&Rs being a problem is to be certain there just plain aren't any -- at all. *ANY* deed restriction is open to change and interpretation. Best solution is to have none.
But the part about buying property that is not part of any development isn't necessarily true. It may be true in some places, but isn't in others. I've owned several homes in a row that were definitely in developments, or subdivisions, and had no restrictive covenants of any kind. Lower-cost "tract" homes nearly always have covenants, if they're of recent construction. Higher-end properties often do not, but of course they cost more. Another solution is to look for a development that was built before CC&Rs became popular; in many places, this means homes built before about 1980 -- surely not "old" homes, just older than new.
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What's next, "Need a Lawyer?"
Who said you can't make money from ham radio?
Real estate agents only present properties for consideration. It is your lawyer's job to review a contract & insert protective language into any agreement you sign. Verbal agreements are worth the paper they are printed on!
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WB2WIK/6 wrote:
<Looks like you're not moving that far if you're in Ewing Township rightn now. Of course, NJ is a very small state, and "central NJ" is even smaller. Having grown up there, I'd say "central NJ" is from the greater Trenton area to the central seashore in Ocean County, plus or minus 25 miles up and down.>
Yeah, we started in Mays Landing, I got a job in Princeton (Stephanie was working in AC at Showboat), then we went to West Deptford (I295 exit 20) so we both had an hour drive to work. When she became a schoolteacher and then went for her masters at Trenton State, we figured it makes sense to live up here if we both go this way daily. So now we're ready to stop collecting cancelled checks and start building equity - that and a 2 bedroom apartment isn't good for two people who want to start a family soon, and have hobbies that take up space :)
Only major problem we've found is that most things in and around Mercer County are way too expensive for a first time buyer. Unless you're staying close to Trenton or some parts of Hamilton, but ... well, I'd rather keep renting I think.
<There are *many* places that are covenant-free there.>
Thanks for the good ideas! I know they're around here, and fairly easy to find. I just would like to make sure that the agent we use to find some place knows what kinds of things we're looking to stay away from.
Ewing might actually not be good anymore - some politician got up in arms because of some TVI, and managed to get something pushed through the local courts that radio waves may not be emitted from a property that extend into another property. People fought it, said it was a bad idea, and proved their point when they showed up with the FCC at the local fire company and told them to turn off their radios. Then said they were going after the police station next, as well as NJ101.5 WKXW-FM (their aural link is in Ewing). Supposedly, the law is still on the books but not enforced.
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>Thanks for the good ideas! I know they're around here, and fairly easy to find. I just would like to make sure that the agent we use to find some place knows what kinds of things we're looking to stay away from.
Ewing might actually not be good anymore - some politician got up in arms because of some TVI, and managed to get something pushed through the local courts that radio waves may not be emitted from a property that extend into another property. People fought it, said it was a bad idea, and proved their point when they showed up with the FCC at the local fire company and told them to turn off their radios. Then said they were going after the police station next, as well as NJ101.5 WKXW-FM (their aural link is in Ewing). Supposedly, the law is still on the books but not enforced.<
Impossible to enforce, due to Federal preemption. This one would get laughed out of court if anybody took it there, beyond the municipal level where the system is typically run by idiots.
Regarding an "agent you use to find someplace," this can be a very daunting task. I'd recommend you use *nobody* unless you absolutely have to, and I can't think of any reason why you'd have to. In NJ, escrow matters and settlements are routinely handled by attorneys anyway, so you don't need an agent to represent you in a transaction. Thus, you'd use an agent only to help you "find" a home to buy.
You can do that, yourself. Use the newspaper and the web, go to open houses, look at places. Ask questions. If you get serious about one or two possible homes, have your attorney arrange for a title search -- it's cheap, and anybody can have this done. Request the written report, and review it. Ask more questions. Be absolutely certain that there is no trail that leads back to a recorded deed restriction. If you get really serious, talk to the neighbors -- seriously. Don't be shy, this is a major investment and most people are happy to talk about their homes, their neighborhood, the local schools or anything else you ask them. Everybody likes to be the expert.
Look for obvious signs there *AREN'T* restrictive covenants. The signs will be there: Look for RVs parked in driveways and on streets, especially overnight. Look for antennas. Look for basketball goals on homes and next to driveways. Look for a mix of home designs, landscaping, fences, walls, garage door styles, mailboxes, swimming pools -- things that indicate people have obviously done what they wanted to do, to improve their own properties individually.
If you're serious about starting a family, you might want to be close to doctors, a hospital, pre-schools, kindergartens and elementary schools. You might also want to be on a dead-end street or a cul-de-sac, which minimizes local traffic.
There are on-line demographic statistics for anyplace in America, which include stats on crime rates, education levels, all sorts of stuff. It may not be 100% accurate, but in general, it's usually pretty close. But there's no substitute for your own eyes and ears.
I haven't used an agent to assist me in buying a property in a long time, but then again, I've bought and sold a lot of them. A good realtor can be very helpful; however, going directly to the seller or the seller's agent, without a realtor representing you, can often result in a discount on the selling price -- often, this discount is 3%, which on a $350K home is $10,500...a nice sum to start an antenna farm.
WB2WIK/6
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>From the W2SRH Profile on eHam: "Also the proud owner of a Kenwood TS-2000 for
home use, though living in an apartment with no decent way to radiate any HF
right now means I'm mostly listening."<
I hadn't seen that before. Congratulations, Steve. You not only went through the Rapid Upgrade process successfully, but have a nice rig!
You *really* need to get into a house and get on HF! The TS-2000 is also a very satellite-worthy rig, and a sat antenna system can often be set up on a tripod on the patio -- as long as you can see the sky down to where the sats are, you're in good shape.
*Definitely* move during the warm weather (summer) months, and that means looking *now!*
Good luck and let me know if I can help in any way.
73
Steve WB2WIK/6
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I am a Realtor and ham and I'd be delighted to help anyone I can. I'm in the mid-Michigan area. Feel free to email me with questions, comments, etc., at Glenclove@aol.com. Thanks, John W.
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Hi,
Recent story on arrl about a town that approved two towers but then tried to halt the project.
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2005/04/21/2/?nc=1
The owner did all the right things and ended up winning the case.
The quote below backs up the property value claims
that Steve WB2WIK/6 has posted in the past !
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Regarding his neighbors--the nearest of which is some 1500 feet away--Smith said their main concern was not that the towers were an eyesore. “It is depreciation of property value,” he told ARRL. “In fact, over the course of this litigation, their property values have substantially escalated, in tune with other areas around where I live.”
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73 james
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WB2WIK/6 wrote:
<I hadn't seen that before. Congratulations, Steve. You not only went through the Rapid Upgrade process successfully, but have a nice rig!>
Thanks! Funny thing is, you hadn't seen that before since I just updated it after my last post :)
<You *really* need to get into a house and get on HF! The TS-2000 is also a very satellite-worthy rig, and a sat antenna system can often be set up on a tripod on the patio -- as long as you can see the sky down to where the sats are, you're in good shape.>
No patio, no balcony (second floor). And no attic access either. Oh, I've thought of a few - including tossing a Zepp out the window into the tree at night, and pulling it back inside when done.
Though today I'll be taking a different approach. A club member (Alex, AB2RC) and myself will be operating from Mercer County Park for the day, playing with some antenna ideas and braving the weather at least until the thunderstorms arrive this afternoon. Don't know what bands we'll be on, but maybe you'll catch me!
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by WB2WIK on April 23, 2005
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>No patio, no balcony (second floor). And no attic access either. Oh, I've thought of a few - including tossing a Zepp out the window into the tree at night, and pulling it back inside when done.<
This is why you need a house!
When I referred to a patio setup, I was referring to a patio in your own private back yard, of your new home.
Rent isn't tax deductible, mortgage interest and property taxes are. Rent is money discarded, mortgage payments is money invested.
Start looking!
73,
Steve WB2WIK/6
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by W3WW on April 23, 2005
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Gads, you people certainly get carried away with harsh comments when it comes to someone or entity telling you what you can and can't do with your antennas.
I just made very sure that there were NO deed restrictions when I bought. In Florida there are many areas (50% or more) that have absolutely NO (antenna or otherwise) restrictions. I found a home on top of a high ridge overlooking the Indian River and the Ocean with no restrictions. The lot could be larger, but I did manage to get a tower up. Just look around before you make a commitment.
73, Don W3WW
A Realtor Helping Hams in South Florida
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by N1YRK on April 23, 2005
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K7PEH, The callbook shows you're in Kirkland. Do you know what the story is with other areas of the state? I've just got an option on some land in Grays Harbor county and am wondering what problems I am going to have with antennas there on the ocean.
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by K8RBT on April 26, 2005
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Good service Tom. When I first started in real estate I heard one broker going off on a rant about some silly ham and that ham radio was some outdated nonsense. A lot of misunderstandings in the real estate and building communities.
By the way, I'm always willing to help out another ham with any real estate need or questions in the Greater Lansing (Michigan) area.
Bob Trimbach, K8RBT
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Any hope within an hour of NYC?
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by W2IRT on April 27, 2005
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Hi guys, I sure hope someone in here can offer a couple of suggestions on towns to look in, etc. We're in a rather urgent situation now.
My XYL and I were -> <- that close to putting in an offer on what would have been our first home in Norwalk, CT. That is, until I took a trip to the zoning board and found out they never give variances or special-use permits for anything above 35', and the local club essentially confirmed it. Silly me, I actually thought PRB-1 would help me in a non-CC&R situation!
Now we're looking for nice quiet communities that are within about an hour's train ride (more or less) to midtown Manhattan, and which will allow a modest 55-75' tower to go up with little muss or fuss.
If anybody can help out, please drop me an e-mail (w2irt@arrl.net).
Thanks.
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