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HF Mobile Noise Abatement

Stephen Reynolds (WA4CNG) on August 5, 2000
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Mobile Noise Abatement

(HF Mobile - Vehicle Generated Noise)

by Stephen T. Reynolds WA4CNG

Wow how time goes by really fast. Here I am a General Class Ham for the second time in two centuries, and I am also HF mobile again. New rig, new amplifier, new antenna(s), new vehicle and all that goes with it. Back in the mid 1960's HF mobile presented the same problems as it does now, with the exception that getting rid of the Computer Mobile Generated Noise that is a bigger challenge than ever before.

Back in the 1960's we had a spark generated ignition system using an ignition coil triggered from a contact point driven by a rotary cam assembly on the top of the engine. To get rid of the noise back then you only had to bond the hood to the front quarter panels, ground the engine block, ground the tail pipe, put a coaxial capacitor in line with the alternator and install resistor plugs and resistor wires. Today we have 1-4 computer driven Black Boxes that determine everything from emissions of the engine to the inside comfort level of the vehicle that we travel in. These Black Boxes cause a great deal of Wideband Noise Blanketing Effect with or without the Noise Blanker in your radio and will cover up HF communications from 3-30MHZ.

Ok, where do we start to find and remove these Computer Noise Generators. First let's look at the known noise generating factors. The current vintage of vehicles produced in the last 10 years share the same group of issues.

Total electronic engine control from the ignition spark, fuel injection, fuel pump in the gas tank, and the monitoring of multiple sensors attached to the engine. All of these items must be tied together with multiple conductor wiring harnesses, none of which is shielded. The overall design of the vehicle amplifies these issues with the following items:

  1. Metal body panels, some of which are painted before installation producing minimal to poor shielding.

  2. Fair to Good body-frame welding of sectional pieces of strength members of vehicles for an OK frame foundation.

  3. Inefficient bonding straps between major body members that use Clips between adjacent members, clipped to painted surfaces.

RG8 Coaxial Cable Shield stripped from RG8 Coaxial Cable, soldered on the ends, and attached with self-drilling sheet metal screws beats these Clips 10X. So much for the Engineers at the Big3.

Ok, so how come none of this affects your car radio, CD player, and other consumer items. Look at where these items operate. AM radio frequencies are below the computer frequencies, the FM radio will not here the AM noise, the CD player is often hardwired to the radio (shielded wires) and it uses Audio Frequencies. As a result it is relatively easy to not have problems with any of these items. However receiving equipment operating in the 3-30Mhz AM/SSB frequency spectrum is very different. We will hear any noise generated in the vehicle and a lot of it covers up those weak signals in the band. A quick test is to turn your HF rig on, tune a weak signal on 40/20 meters and then crank your engine. If the signal goes away and the S-Meter is moving in the S5-S9 area, you've got noise. Most often you crank the vehicle and then turn your HF radio on, so the noise is already there covering up the weak signals. Of course there is also the power line noise and other external man made noises that we encounter also, but usually these go away as we move away from the source. You stay the same distance to the noise generator in your vehicle and it does not go away.

Think you have a Noise Free Mobile. Take this test.

  1. Use a good 25 ft piece of Coaxial Cable, one end connects to your HF mobile. The other end has a wire loop 12-16 inches in length and coiled into a circle not greater than 2 inches in diameter running from center conductor and connected to the shield creating a small loop antenna.

  1. Connect the test cable to your HF radio, crank the vehicle, turn your HF radio on and tune to 7.3Mhz. Take the coax and loop around vehicle and search for noise signals while a second person watches the radio S-Meter for Hot Spots. Identify these hot spots. The chances are that you will find several under the hood, in the passenger compartment, and under the lower chassis. Tune to other bands and see if the noise is higher in level or lower in level.

  1. A major Hot Spot in FORD vehicles is on the right side of the front passenger kick panel. This is where the Engine Computer is located. It Spews out lots of RF Hash across the HF band 2-30Mhz. It is in a metal can, but has lots of antennas leaving the box going into the vehicle. There are similar boxes and mounting locations in other late model vehicles. You just have to sniff them out.

One way to get rid of this Hash is to go to Radio Shack â„¢ and get several packages, (start with a minimum of 3), of the Rectangular RF Chokes and do the following to the wires coming out of the Engine Control Computer. There may be up to three or more sets of wires coming out of the computer. One set controls the ignition, spark, and fuel injection. The second set is remote sensor inputs. The third set goes to your gas tank for the fuel pump system. This set of wires is the longest and runs under the vehicle and to the rear where the gas tank is located. You may find that if you add more chokes you have more reduction of noise. (I have a total of 18 chokes placed on the two harnesses coming out of my Engine Computer. The first group got rid of 1 S-unit of noise and the next two sets have reduced it down to where it is not a factor any more.)

Apply the Square Chokes around each group of wires that come out of the Engine Control Box. Start with a minimum of 3 sets of Chokes per group of wires. You can space them out, but putting them together in bunches works best. Doing this can reduce HF Noise Radiation by up to 30DB, that's 5-6 S-Units for you Non-Engineer types, and it will get rid of most if not all of the HF Computer hash Mobile Noise. Grounding your tail pipe will reduce additional engine noise in the 10/12 meter band as the tailpipe is a good ¼ wavelength at those frequencies. Ground it under the rear bumper area using an RG8 Ground Strap described below. Be sure to file away a good clean area on the tailpipe and the chassis area you will tie it to. You may need to drill a pilot hole for the self tapping sheet metal screw on the car frame.

You still have to do the Bonding on the Hood, and observe good DC/RF Installation practices (DC cable for the radio is tied directly to the Battery) for all mobile Installations.

Here is how to build RG8 bonding straps. You need several sections of RG8 cable. Get the best you can, and stay away from Radio Shack grade of coax. The length you need is long enough to go from the rear hinge side of your hood to the quarter panel below it. A typical length is 12-16 inches, the same length works for the tailpipe. Look at your engine and see where you could attach at least 1 ground strap from it to either of the front quarter panels, that length may be as long as 24 inches. Look at any bolt/nut assembly that attaches a component to the engine. Details on what and how are later after building the Grounding Straps.

Building the Grounding Straps

  1. Strip the outer black jacket off. Pull the braid off the center conductor.

  2. Fold each end of the braid back over itself for 1 inch. Flatten the braid out.

  3. Using a 120-150 watt soldering iron, tin the end section of each end of the braid. Flow the solder good and repeat on the bottom side.

  4. When the braid has cooled down, drill a hole large enough for your ¼ inch drive self drilling sheet metal screws to go through.

Bonding the hood. Use two straps, one on each side of the hood near the hinge. Be sure to use an area that is double walled so the screw does not come up through the top of the hood. File this area clean and shinny about 1 sq inch. Do the same on the top rear of the quarter panel below it. Using a ¼ inch drive self/tapping/drilling sheet metal screws about ½ inch long, put it thru the ground strap and drill it into the metal. Repeat for both sides of the hood. Next ground the engine using the longer strap and be careful to use an existing bolt on the motor for the engine end of the strap and use the adjacent area you used for the hood on which ever side of the engine you connected to. You may see an existing braided connection to the engine, (it's one of those clips) but add one anyway.

An additional step would be to bond the rear firewall to both quarter panels. Remember to be careful where you do any drilling into the vehicle body.

Well that about wraps it up for reducing Vehicular Computer Hash. Most vehicles of late vintage have good spark plugs, plug wires and most only require a tune-up at 100,000 miles. I now have no ignition noise on my 98 Ford Explorer. When the time comes for a tune-up I will be replacing the plugs, wires, and rotor cap with original factory equipment as it works well now and I do not need to play around with something that is already working.

This article only covered the engine control computer. This was the only unit that I found was radiating noise, and then only when the engine was cranked and running. It does not run if the ignition is on and the engine is NOT running. Another check can be done to check for motion generated noise. That is done rolling down the road and coasting your vehicle and turning the engine off. Care must be taken when turning your engine off because some if not all steering wheels may lock in the ignition off position. This type of test must be done under very controlled areas where you would not be a hazard to anyone and your vehicle is still controllable in the event the engine is stopped for a short period of time. This is how I tested my before and after measurements of the various procedures. Good luck and safe driving while operating HF Mobile.

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Vehicle noise  
by W5OZI on August 5, 2000 Mail this to a friend!
This was an informative article. My problems are with 6 meter SSB mobile where I have about an S-5 noise level at all times, except when stopped and idling. I will try the 25' coaxial loop idea to try to determine the location of my noise.....without a helper, it might be a good idea to make a 25' headphone extension so that one person could do the job. I need to know the latest technique for curing alternator noise, please. Thanks for the information.
 
RE: Vehicle noise  
by WA4CNG on August 5, 2000 Mail this to a friend!
Most alternator whine issues are cured by direct connection of the +12VDC lead to the battery, and grounding of the - lead at the battery. The second cure is to replace a bad alternator or regulator. The large inherent capacitance of the battery filters the whine out. Under the dash or cigarette lighter connections have always been third-fourth choices.
I've always used direct to the battery, especially with the variety of battery tap devices on the market now, (automotive supply houses, various brands).
 
Noise  
by KG4HRT on August 7, 2000 Mail this to a friend!
Very good article. I have a 2000 Excursion and I believe the engine in it is the same as the Expedition. I have found the noise radiation is coming from the individual spark coils. Did you find the same before you started putting the beads on the controler wiring?
 
RE: Noise  
by W5HTW on August 9, 2000 Mail this to a friend!

Haven't been into it yet, due to time constraints, but my old 80 Ford pickup very suddenly started giving me alternator whine. Was not there for a year or more, then suddenly it is. And it is also in the AM/FM radio when tuned off station. It gets worse with the A/C on! Actually I think it may be a bad regulator but won't get to try that for another week or two when I get into the city where I can find one. The alternator seems to keep the battery well-charged and works fine. Of course, unplugging the regulator stops the noise instantly, but doesn't really tell me if it is the alternator working overtime or is the regulator.

After I do that, (if I do - not sure I'm going to keep the radio in that vehicle anyway) and if I resolve the problem, I'll post the solution here. Don't hold your breath, as I'm thinking of getting rid of that truck anyway. The ham radio is connected directly to the battery, both ground and positive, but the AM/FM is connected to the ignition switch.

Just happened to drop by and see this topic, so thought I'd hop in .


73
Ed
W5HTW
 
RE: Noise  
by WA4CNG on August 9, 2000 Mail this to a friend!
The Excursion has the dual ignition system, one coil for the right bank of cylinders and another for the left, like on most large late model Ford V8's. My 98 Explorer has one coil for the V6. You may need to do more checking with the sensing loop. I did not have any ignition pulse/spark noise, just the wideband computer noise. Spark noise should be controllable with Resistor Plugs and good resistor wires.
 
RE: Noise  
by WA4CNG on August 9, 2000 Mail this to a friend!
It looks like your problem may be a bad diode in the 3 phase diode rectifier system in the alternator or regulator in your truck. Most alternators are 3 phase AC generators that use 3 or 6 diodes to change the 3 phase AC to a much smoother DC than a single phase system. 3X the AC frequency is easier to filter than 1X the frequency. 2 diodes will still charge the battery under most conditions, but will give you Alternator Whine for sensitive Electronic Equipment, like in the early 70's with 2 Meter Tranceivers made abroad, connected to cigarette lighter plugs and under dash fuses.
 
RE: Vehicle noise  
by K3FT on August 22, 2000 Mail this to a friend!
Greetings! My trials,tribulations, and fixes for those who might have the same problem

My vehicle - 1998 Dodge Caravan, V6, with the typical computer control.

INSTALLATION - TS440SAT (DC feed direct to battery, both leads fused), Outbacker on left rear panel, ball mount, coax ground bonded to car body. Straight coax run. Antenna loads/tunes fine.

PROBLEM - Abysmal receive performance due to vehicle electrical/electronic noise. Spark plug (impulse) noise, computer generated hash - 500 KHz - 30 Mhz. Starts 40 over 9 at 1.8 Mhz, slowly drops in amplitude until about 26 MHz, then rapidly drops. Noise blanker removes spark plug noise. Search with portable broadcast rcvr confirmed and identified noise as coming from computer (natch!) and wires radiating all over vehicle.

Noise component identified as 18KHz square wave pulse train, amplitude unknown, high rise time, harmonic rich. Sole entry point via DC feed from vehicle. Square wave riding along DC feed into rig AND being radiated by DC feed wires. DC filters on TS440SAT not designed to supress 18KHz square wave so passed right through into radio. My testing confirmed frequency of signals and composition (square waves). Subsequent discussions with Dodge RF engineer who designed the system and was responsible for RF emissions control confirmed my observations and diagnosis. They replaced body control module twice since they thought it was the BCM that was defective and causing the radiation problem and it did not change or affect problem. (I figured it wouldn't but they wanted to try and it was their nickel.. so...)

FINAL FIX - Placed filter in DC line. FIlter consisted of series 'hash' filter choke (#12 solid copper wound on 2" cylindrical solid iron core.) and three capacitors in parallel with DC line.

NOTES - Hash filter is coil wrapped around iron core. Current capacity is 20A (available from Newark, Allied, Mouser, wind your own, or us a primary from an old filament transformer) Supresses everything above DC. Put it inside a METAL minibox. I used a 6X3X3 box. Use #10 or LARGER (I used #8 to minimize voltage drop!) cable from battery to box and box to rig. You can use electrolytic caps as long as you watch the POLARITY of the caps! Values are NOT super critical. Capacitance values are not critical, working voltage is. Electrolytics are OK as long as you watch polarity and orientation!

CONSTRUCTION -

1) In the HOT 12VDC lead place the hash filter in series.

2) Parallel, between the HOT and GROUND feed wires, the following three capacitors. .01 ufd, .001 ufd, 2500 ufd. Working voltage DC (WVDC) should be 25 WVDC MINIMUM! (Electrolytics are OK as long as you have MINIMUM 25 WVDC and OBSERVE POLARITY! Capacitance values ARE NOT critical!, WVDC is!)

3) Mount it in a metal MINIBOX. I used 6X3X3 but any size will do. Allow sufficient clearance for components. Mount securely so vibration and mobile shocks will not dislodge or fracture components. You can try grounding the box, I did not find it necessary in my installation.

4) Be aware of voltage drop. Use large enough wires to handle the peak current flow you will expect.


RESULTS - My filter is placed in series with the DC feed approx 15 feet from the battery terminals. There is about 15 feet of DC feed cable between the filter and the rig. The computer hash is TOTALLY gone on the HF bands. The spark plug noise (impulse) is reduced to about s4 - 5 without the noise blanker on. The noise blanker kills it totally. This is without any additional shielding/bonding on the vehicle. I still have to bond the vehicle with braid and shield the spark plug wires which should kill the noises totally. But this is an easy to build fix and wll help lots of you!

Vy 73

Chuck K3FT
k3ft@erols.com
 
RE: Noise  
by W5HTW on September 11, 2000 Mail this to a friend!

Agreed - bad alternator. On the off chance it was the regulator I replaced it - cheap and easy to try. Didn't do it, so that leaves the alternator. Since it started suddenly probably a diode went. I'll get around to replacing it. Accidentally left the regulator unplugged and drove down the road and wonderfully silent! Then I remembered. Darn! Back to the whine, which is intensified dramatically when I turn on the air conditioning. So much so that, in order to transmit and not be called "Old Whinny" I have to shut off the A/C and pull over! And it is also heard in the vehicle's AM and FM radio as well. One alternator, coming up. Soon.

Fords have always led the pack of the old wives' tale of ignition radiation. Not sure it was a deserved reputation, as I had a number of Fords in the 60s and 70s and ran ten meter mobile in my first ever Ford, in the late fifties, with about zero problem. And that was AM. Newer vehicles have much more plastic in the engine compartment, with far less shielding and grounding.

Good article. Have always run shielded wire direct to the battery, not only for voltage considerations, but also to allow use of the radio with everything else off. Which cost me some jump starts in the days of my Elmac tube transmitter.

73
Ed, W5HTW
 
HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by PAVELET on October 21, 2000 Mail this to a friend!
Just installed a Clear Speech in my Ford 2000 SD. I think there must be some witchcraft involved
in this unit. I couldn't believe the differance it makes. Evrey one who listens say it can't be as
easy as switching it on and off.Simply unbelieveable.
Dave
 
HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by KL7EDK on November 14, 2000 Mail this to a friend!
Great Article. I have some computer noise and I think what I saw in the article will fix it!!!

Does anyone have any experience on the 'fuel pump in the tank' noise abatment? Decided to go mobile after about 9 years and wow! I have 89 Nissan PU and the pump noise is S9 on all HF Bands. You turn the key on (not starting) and it comes up. After about 8 seconds it drops to S2 when pump shuts off. Disconnecting the plug to the fuel pump on the top of the tank...great..I could operate all day...barely S1-2. I know it's the pump.

I have built several filters, chokes etc but they don't seem to cut it by more that 1 S unit. Talked to dealer about "filter in tank" fix that other car makers have and they don't have a clue saying they don't have a problem with noise caused by their pumps...right! They (Nissan) could not find any tech notes or anything that referred to the pump noise and fixing it. Ford, GM, etc all had notes (and filters to put inside tank itself) to fix the hash from the DC pump motor. Have looked at replacing the pump....$$$$ would be cheaper to get new truck!

I can't believe I'm the only one who has experienced this problem. Next truck I buy will be checked out for noise before I buy it !!!

While we're on the Mobile Noise Abatement subject maybe someone can add to an already good article.

73

Jerry


 
HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by KD6OD on November 15, 2000 Mail this to a friend!
This is my first time on this site, and I enjoyed reading everyone's comments, suggestions, and description of maladies...the first thing that came to mind was that no one mentioned one of the
the things that I found worked wonders on both my 89 Caprice, and my current 96 Impala SS to
help eliminate vast amounts of noise in the vehicle is to #1- add a 2 gauge stranded copper cable
from the ground side of your battery to the frame, because that little 14 gauge factory wire is
nearly useless for rf applications, (also, if you're running power- 500 or 1kw you won't need
additional grounding....next, and this is crucial, #2 do not run a ground lead to the battery, instead
run the ground to the closest point on the vehicle you can conveniently ground too, this will
usually be either the inside of the door frame, or remove the threshold plate on the passenger
side and use that location. I strongly reiterate, and believe me this is from 20 years of
experience with my GM products, do not run a ground lead to the battery ever. If anyone thinks
that my comment is unfounded please hook up a ground lead to the battery (just this once) and
take receiver noise readings with the engine running, and then take them with the ground lead
only going to the frame. I'd love to hear you comments. Most hams I've discussed this with
think that a battery makes a great receiver filter, I just happen to disagree with that theory based
on my own experience. I've never yet had the opportunity to run high power mobil, but when I
get my new Suburban I'm going to become a kilowatt mobil station, and I can assure all of the
readers that the setup will be identical except I'm going to add 2 more HD batteries isolated from
the primary to handle the 150 amps of current necessary to drive 8 transistors. One other thing
that is also related to hf mobiling, and may have some credence as to a possible source of
receiver noise, and definitely a source of signal loss at the antenna is that most of the hams
that I know run an induction match at the base of the antenna; this does work, but the big
problem is that now you're not only running a coil to simulate a 1/4 wave on the band you're
working, but a second one to raise your base impedance which I'm very aware of because I only
run 2 bands, 40 and 75. If you shunt feed the base of the antenna with a capacitor of sufficient
capitance value and power level for your application then you have just elimated the need for both
and inductor at the base and a manual or automatic tuner in the vehicle. Example: I run a Swan
45 top dead center on my Impala on a mount I built with 8- 3" magnets, and I use a 500 pf LPN
type cap rated at 15KV which I happened to have in my junk box years ago and I ran checks
with my Bird 43 and found that my match was 1.2 on 40, and 1.5 on 75..........if anyone thinks
thats excessive vswr, believe me its not. I figured that I could have done better, but after talking
to a friend of mine in Oregon one night on 75, and him believing that I was sitting at home on my
124' inverted v at 43' I knew well enough to leave it alone. Anyway I started to write a short
response and it got longer and longer.......I hope I haven't bored too many people who will access
this site in the future, but I guess I felt keyboard talkative tonight.


73's
Ron KD6OD
kd6od@netscape.net or
kd6od@yahoo.com
 
HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by K9JHG on January 7, 2001 Mail this to a friend!
hi. most of the info i see hear looks like it will work for gas powered cars and light trucks. i drive a semi tractor with a 6 cyl detroit moter. iam having a noise problem. from i think is the injectors them selves. i sometmes get a s9 noise level under exceleration, and when i drop off the excell, the noise drops to a s 3/4. sometimes hams i'm trying to chat with can hear the sound coming threw with my audio. i have 6 toroids on the coax and on the dc line. any other driver's / hams have this problem. or an idea on how to remove injector noise. I'm using a alinco dx 70 into a mfj 949e tuner. and a hamstick for 40 mtrs. noise is their on 20 and 40. only because thats only bands i op out of truck right now. 73's de jim k9jhg
 
HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by AD1OS on January 12, 2001 Mail this to a friend!
Great article. Mr. Reynolds has it covered. I have used the "snoop loop" and it's definitely cheap but effective tool. I have some additional info concerning the bonding straps. First, it's murder to drill tinned braid. I use a "Whitney" handheld metal punch. A lot of the cut rate tool catalogs sell an offshore version, which I believe will handle the braid. They generally come with 6 different punch & die sets, up to a quarter inch. The straps can loosen, so I use two external tooth lockwashers, and stainless screws. I cannot say enough about knowing whats behind what you're drilling. I sympathsize with owners of certain minivans, by Chrysler. Our 88 Voyager was the most noise producing vehicle we've owned. (It's gone)Currently we have a 93 Ranger, the quietest, a 96 Dodge P/U, not too bad, and a 97 Suburban, ugh. There are Technical Service Bulletins for each of these, that address noise. Everyone knows the Ford fuel pump filter fix. Dodge has three filters available, and GMC has a way to reprogram the engine control computer to help. I got the TSB numbers from "Alldata TSB" site.
If anyone has a fix for noise in the 97-01 Crown Vic/Merc Marquis, please let me know. My friends Ford is as bad as our Voyager was. Happy Mobiling.
 
HF Mobile Noise Abatement in a hybrid vehicle  
by KC6SEP on January 19, 2001 Mail this to a friend!
I know it is very unlikely that anybody will have direct knowledge of my problem but noise is noise and electricity is electricity. I have a Honda Insight Hybrid, and have installed my first H.F.. The system includes the transceiver, antenna tuner, and a 102" whip. I've run straight to my battery through a "ChargeGard" type device, includes low and high voltage disconnect, and a adjustable timer so the radio stays on after you turn the ignition off. All the grounds go to the battery with the exception of the radio chassis and and the antenna tuner, as they to a very solid ground toward the rear of the car. So far all pretty much normal. Now here's where it gets a bit sticky.

Because the car is a hybrid it has a 144 volt (120 x 1.2V), 6.5 Ah, Nickel Metal Hydride battery pack, and uses a synchronous AC motor. The AC motor consists of a three phase coil stator and a permanent magnet rotor that is directly connected to the engine crankshaft. Other potential Fr sources are a DC to DC converter, and the device Honda calls the Motor Drive Module, which is what creates the three phase through a series of bipolar transistors. This three phase power is placed on an unknown gauge (I'd guess 6-8 gauge) wire and then placed in an unshielded plastic jacket. This wire runs from the rear of the car, in a box marked "You WILL be killed if you open this case" (I keep an open eye out for the Honda assassin squad), all the way to the front of the car, making a very nice 8' antenna. Honda, of course, will not assist me in any way as "that radio was not part of the original car".

I'm thinking that my problem these long high voltage cables, and that I need to wrap some monster RF chokes on these three cables. Here are the questions. One, do they make "wrap-around" chokes that large? Two, would the frequency (unknown) likely be high enough that the chokes would harm the signal from getting to the three phase motor? And last, does Honda have a FCC mandated responsibility not to transmit RF at such a level to cause disruption to communications?

That's my sad story, so any ideas would greatly appreciated.

73

phil
 
HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by KG6DXN on March 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
here is a cheap noise finder. buy an inexpensive portable casset player(walkman type). remove the tape head and extend the leads with shielded wire. put hadphones on, press play. where ever you wave around the tape head you will hear radiated noise. search around vehicle or home. compare noise herd on radio to that herd on headphones. when the noise matches tou have found your noise source. you can get very creative. you only need the amplifier ckt. of the walkman to work, most are activated by a miro-switch inside unit. the one i made is in a project box from radio shack. just need power switch, volume control, and jack for headphones. after you dismantle walkman you can toss out mechanical bits of tape player.
 
RE: HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by KG6DXN on March 9, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
for those of us that have found fuel pump noise. go to a marine parts supplier, most carry small noise suppressers designed for boat noise(water proof). you will need two of them on positive and negative leads of fuel pump. on my gmc truck the noise was unbearable. i installed both filters and the noise is gone.
 
RE: HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by N4HHP on July 2, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I own a 1998 Ford Explorer and ever since I mounted my IC706MII and a Tarheel Screwdriver antenna on.

To give you some history. When I turn on the 706 without starting the SUV, I have no noise. Hear everyone. When I turn the key to the on position without starting the SUV, I hear a momentary burst of noise. I know that the Ford Explorers have noisy fuel pumps and after checking with Ford, they do not have that noise filter anymore. They discontinued it back in 1999 when they found that it was too dangerous to install and did not work anyway. So how should I correct this problem?

Now , when I start the SUV, noise, noise and more noise. On all the bands!

I am recieving hash (sounds like white noise on FM), about a S7 to S8 on all bands. I have added more grounds to the hood and body area making sure that the body is attached by a 1/2" ground strap from the body to the chassis.

Since I did this, I still have this white noise on all the bands but I show no S units, only this white noise and a few stong stations that break through the noise.
I have placed toroids on the plus side of the battery and on the antenna line and this does not seem to help either. I am at a loss.

If some one can tell me what to do to correct this problem. besides selling my SUV and getting another vehicle that does not have this problem, please let me know...I want to get on mobile HF...

Thanks in advance..

Robin N4HHP
 
HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by N4HHP on July 2, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I own a 1998 Ford Explorer and ever since I mounted my IC706MII and a Tarheel Screwdriver antenna on.

To give you some history. When I turn on the 706 without starting the SUV, I have no noise. Hear everyone. When I turn the key to the on position without starting the SUV, I hear a momentary burst of noise. I know that the Ford Explorers have noisy fuel pumps and after checking with Ford, they do not have that noise filter anymore. They discontinued it back in 1999 when they found that it was too dangerous to install and did not work anyway. So how should I correct this problem?

Now , when I start the SUV, noise, noise and more noise. On all the bands!

I am recieving hash (sounds like white noise on FM), about a S7 to S8 on all bands. I have added more grounds to the hood and body area making sure that the body is attached by a 1/2" ground strap from the body to the chassis.

Since I did this, I still have this white noise on all the bands but I show no S units, only this white noise and a few stong stations that break through the noise.
I have placed toroids on the plus side of the battery and on the antenna line and this does not seem to help either. I am at a loss.

If some one can tell me what to do to correct this problem. besides selling my SUV and getting another vehicle that does not have this problem, please let me know...I want to get on mobile HF...

Thanks in advance..

Robin N4HHP
 
HF Mobile Noise Abatement  
by AC6DN on July 22, 2003 Mail this to a friend!
I have 1987 Toyota 4x4 Truck, 22RTE engine. I have a Yeasu FT-100d, a Don Johnson DK3 antenna. DC is via 4ft of 8G blk/Red wires fused. I have every thing grounded. I have also use alarm tape around the rubber pieces under the hood and doors for extra grounding. I have Magnacor sparkplug wires; I still have spark noise… Its execeptible on 160-40M, but it bad on 20M, Horrid on 17-15, and so-so on 10M. Its bad on 6M, better on 2M-70CM, and 1.2 GHz…

Any thoughts?

 
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