Alternate Dipole
Alan Applegate (K0BG)
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An Alternative Dipole
Background:
One of my father's favorite sayings was, "necessity is the mother of invention." When I entered amateur radio I had two children, a full time job, and night school classes. I didn't have any mad money, and when I decided to add 20 meters to my 80/40 dipole I didn't have enough copperweld to add the two legs. Mayo McCallister, W0CW (SK), suggested the dangle approach, although he didn't call them dangles. That's my invention thank you. It did take me a few trials and tribulations to get it to work correctly, but it did work and quite well.
Foreground:
I have been reluctant to publish this article for reasons that will become very evident once you read it. So right up front I'll add a disclaimer or two. First, to all of those antenna-modeling engineers; no I have not modeled this. Secondly, this antenna is NOT for everyone. It has a few drawbacks, not the least of which is, it has dangles (which I'll explain in a minute). Depending on the band, these maybe as long as 6 feet and you don't want them someplace where others may inadvertently touch them. Further, this antenna works well as a four-legged dual bander, and is easy to tune with just an SWR bridge. However, if you intend to make it work on more than two bands, the tuning procedure becomes too complex for just an SWR bridge, and an antenna analyzer becomes a necessity.
For years I have erected my dipoles with dangles on the ends as shown in the drawing and the photo below. The reasons are simple enough. If you tune the dipole for the bottom of the band, you can easily retune it for the center or the top of the band by just folding or unfolding the dangles. After all, it is much easier to fold up a dangle than it is to re-cut or add to the length, and the best part is, you don't have to solder them when you need to retune. Another advantage, albeit slight, is it does add some end effect, thus the antenna is marginally shorter than it would be other wise. And it offers one other advantage seldom-mentioned in antenna handbooks.
It is all but impossible to have a dipole strung high enough to clear all of the surrounding structures. There is always a tree or gutter in the way, or perhaps a shed or overhead wires. These always effect the antenna's balance. In most cases, the lowest SWR will occur when one leg is a slightly different length than the other leg. Having dangles makes this task considerably easier. When I last had the antenna erected, one leg of the 80 meter dipole was 8 inches shorter than the other leg, which reduced the on resonance SWR from 1.7:1 down to 1.2 :1.
While I'm on the subject of tuning, let me say this. This article is not a tutorial on how to erect or tune a dipole. Further, it is not a building primer, albeit I explain how I do it. You need to purchase an ARRL Handbook and/or antenna book for the finer details. In other words, you have to learn to do a few things for yourself. Quite obviously, making the legs longer lowers the resonant frequency, and shortening them raises it. Contrary to popular opinion, a dipole antenna doesn't require a 1:1 balun at the center. It will perform better if it has one, however.
The Dangles:
The drawing shows an 80/40 meter version of the antenna, but other dangles may be added to resonate the antenna on other bands. There needs to be a caveat here. If you intend to make the antenna cover other bands as well, you need to have those dangles in place before you start your tuning procedure. For the record, there is nothing special about the over all length of the dipole. You still use the formula of 234/fMHz to get the length of each leg. -- In this case 80 meters (3.5 MHz), or about 67 feet over all. The only difference is you subtract 3 feet from the results and this is where your end insulator will be placed. The remaining 3 feet is the 80 meter dangle just like the photo shows. You should use 3.5 MHz and 7.0 MHz as starting frequencies.
The dangles for the other band(s), 40 meters in this case, are indeed special. They have to be a minimum of 6 feet, and 8 feet works better if you have the clearance for them. -- Any shorter than 6 feet and you will not be able to tune the antenna on 40 meters. Please note the over all length of the 40 meter leg includes the dangle (refer to drawing above). On 20 meters and above, a 4 foot dangle seems to work well. All of the dangles need to be kept perpendicular to the main leg.
The 40 meter tuning dangles need to have a strong alligator clip on one end. This is for finding the 7.0 MHz resonance point. As odd as it might sound, you'll be sliding the dangle to and fro and the alligator clip makes this easy. I find that marking the antenna with a piece of tape helps in placing the two legs at the same starting point, i.e.: over all length. Once you've finished tuning mark the spot, cut a new dangle, and solder it into place. For tuning higher than the base frequency, 7.0 MHz, just fold back the dangle.
Tuning:
No matter which method you use (SWR bridge or analyzer), tuning this antenna is not a ten-minute task. It almost goes without saying that you need to make provisions for raising and lowering the antenna. I used a pulley system. The first one I put up in Kansas City, back in 1970 took me several weekends to get right, as all I had was an SWR bridge. The one I put up in Denver, took me about 25 minutes to setup with the help of an amateur friend who worked the analyzer. That antenna was up for 4 years without any problems.
As I stated above, it maybe necessary to make one leg shorter or longer than the other leg, due in part to stray capacitance. This brings up another subject. Wind effects any antenna and this one is no exception. Because of the center dangles it's effected more than a regular dipole. When I've had this problem, I stabilized the center dangles with monofilament fishing line. The end dangles (80 meter ones in this case) don't seem to effect tuning if they're whipped around by the wind.
Any Advantages?
I suspect a multi-legged; multi-band dipole might work better, but from the reports I have had from my dangled dipole I doubt it. It is harder to erect, harder to tune, and indeed may be effected more by the wind. However, if you like playing with antennas, or you want to minimize the amount of hanging copper, the Alternate Dipole may indeed be an alternative.
One final thought. Even if you're making a monoband dipole, or a leg of a multi-band dipole, the dangles make tuning and retuning much easier.
Alan Applegate, K0BG
http://www.k0bg.com/
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by N9WB on May 26, 2005
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Thank you for putting an olde basic concept into terms that can be easily understood. For long dangles, “I always called them stubs but I like your descriptive term better, an insulator can be put on the end and they can be tied to a stake on the ground to stabilize them. Short dangles can be made of stiff copper wire to avoid wind movement. It doesn’t make any difference if they tilt sideways in the wind so long as they tilt perpendicular to the main wire.
To tune with a SWR meter, find the resonant points or which end of each band they are outside of and bring all bands in a little at a time. If you bring one band all the way in and then another, interaction will throw the first one out.
BTW, I do not see any reason why it would be less efficient than any other full size dipole. Might even have a bit more bandwidth.
Tnx es vy 73 Walt N9WB
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by KE4MOB on May 26, 2005
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Hint/kink:
Use split bolts (Burndy connectors) to hold your dangles on. They can then be moved at will, and are more secure than alligator clips.
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by KG6WLS on May 26, 2005
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Alan, very informative and useful article. Thank you.
BTW, if using Burndy connectors (aka Kearny's) for a dipole in this fashion, wouldn't you call it a "droopy dipole"? :)
73
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by KE3HO on May 26, 2005
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Thanks Alan, great article. You're asbestos suit must be at the clearners, as your disclaimers take up as much space as the technical part :-)
This is a great way for someone with limited space to put up a decent 80/40 dipole. My lot, for example, is 470 feet deep, but only 105 feet wide. Given the locations of the various tall trees and the house, I can put up a couple of big dipoles running down the long axis of the yard, but can't do much cross-ways. My 80M dipole came down a few weeks ago (after 11+ years) and I am going to try your antenna when I put it back up. Thanks for the tip.
73 - Jim
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by W3DIO on May 26, 2005
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Alan,
Great article. I have been having fun playing with traps and loading coils and all sorts of antennas this past year. I usually put it up, make it work and take it down for the next experiment ;-) I look forward to trying this as well.
Thanks,
W3DIO
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by K3ESE on May 26, 2005
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Very nice article indeed!
FWIW, I'd just like to add that I used to use a horizontal longwire, of about 200', as my antenna, and it had a vertical run of 15-20' on each end, just because that's how it worked to put it up. It was a great antenna, and I think those vertical pieces were why - although they weren't, technically speaking, "dangles."
Later on, I put up a balanced-fed 40M dipole, 66', which worked as expected. I wanted to "juice it up," if possible, and get some gain, and considered a sort of "dangle" scheme...but I wound up just adding 11' horizontally to either end. Then it became an EDZ on 20M, with great effect...lots of gain, cool lobes, and tunable on 10-80M.
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by WB2WIK on May 26, 2005
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Nice writeup, Alan!
I've been doing something similar for years. W9INN (SK), on his "factory pretuned dipoles," always added a stiff-wire dangle of sorts to the start points of each in-line resonator, and supplied a small plastic bag full of additional, longer ones, to allow users to make quick and easy changes without taking the antennas down.
Now I can see all sorts of comments about whose dangle is longer...
WB2WIK/6
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by KA4KOE on May 26, 2005
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Is the angle of the dangle critical for the take off angle, currently indicated as a right triangle? Should it form an acute or obtuse angle, or should our comments be acute or obtuse? Sorry about my ramble re: angle of the dangle, triangled, dedrangled?
help me please, the voices are hurting my ears
REDRUM REDRUM REDRUM
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by G3VGR on May 26, 2005
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Nice practical article. If you combined the dangle with a fan dipole, would it do the fandango?
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by N3JBH on May 26, 2005
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WB2WIK/6 stated that
((Now I can see all sorts of comments about whose dangle is longer... ))
No fear here Steve my wife claims she needs a magnifying glass to see my dangle.
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by N4RLL on May 26, 2005
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It's not the size of the stub but the angle of the dangle that counts!
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by N1VLQ on May 26, 2005
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Nice article, Alan.
Dunno if I'm gonna get a chance to try it out soon, or not. But it sure has gotten me to thinking!
Thanks
73
Bruce, N1VLQ
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by WA6BFH on May 26, 2005
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Here’s Johnny!
Yes the angle of the dangle indeed!
I on the other hand (that’s right dangle) have been drawing out the angular coordinates for 3 wavelength per leg, and 10 wavelength per leg Rhombic’s (assembled on 10 foot high posts)!
My plan is to make a 3 wire (multi-wire) Rhombic for 446 MHz. (at a height of 1.4 wavelengths). This will be a 10 wavelength per leg antenna, or 22 feet per leg. Then after various gain measurements are made, the side posts will be widened to allow for a 3 wavelength per leg 146 MHz antenna (mounted at .57 wavelength height). This will put these side posts at a separation of 64.2 feet, where they can {after the Rhombic wires have been removed} be used to support a 4 cell Sterba Curtain for 6 Meters with room to spare.
We will have to see what the actual gain will be for the two different Rhombic’s (although the book says 28.2 and 8.3 respectively), the Sterba should provide 9 dBd (although it will be very close to the ground, wavelength wise, mounted at only .508 wavelength above ground)!
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by W3DCG on May 26, 2005
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Entertaining article. I guess I'm just lazy.
80m 1/2 wave off center fed have tuner. However, my main antenna is a 102' doublet, with 8' en-dangles. There is a measure of merit for dangles. Except after high winds, my en-dangles get dang-tangled in the leaf spangled branch-els.
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by WA6BFH on May 26, 2005
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Oh great!
I’m waiting for this ‘Dangles Thing’ to become a colloquial expression, destined to hear it even on 17 Meters Arrrrrghh!
What about simply saying that the last 8% to 10% of a quarter-wave can be perpendicular to the length of the antenna?
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by KC8VWM on May 26, 2005
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I can just hear it now;
"How is my dangler working on your end?"
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by K0BG on May 26, 2005
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I appreciate all of the good comments. You all won't believe me, but when I chose the "dangle" description, it had nothing to do with any human appendage. Amateurs being who (and what) they are, I should have expected a new and very different meaning.
Nonetheless, it is a workable antenna, and one which needs a little more press if I can be so bold as to suggest it. I fully admit that the idea in not entirely my own. In fact, it has been around for quite a few years.
This article was spurred on by an earlier article wherein many responders suggested I come up with an alternative. I have! The point being, there are literally dozens of ways to skin the proverbial cat. As one responder noted, far too many amateurs opt to purchase the current "hot" antenna without exploring any alternative, no matter how efficient, its practicality, or any other concern.
I thank each of you for your interest.
Alan, KØBG
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by KF4VGX on May 26, 2005
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Here's Johnny , REDRUM REDRUM.
http://www.angryalien.com/0504/shiningbunnies.html
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/
Just in case, You didn't Know !
- KF4VGX
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by KC8VWM on May 26, 2005
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Humor aside Allan, it's a great idea. I really enjoy building experimental antennas and found your article very refreshing. I experimented once with a similar idea and attached a stub to a longwire and tuned it making the longwire resonant with 6 meters. QST recently had an article about this.
I would be curious to see what would happen if you plugged the physical dangler element data into EZNEC.
Another thought your article inspired me to think about related to the idea of adjusting the dangler elements as a method to tune and maximize the lobe, beamwidth direction and elevation angle of dipole antennas. The antenna design may also prove to have advantages in certain limited space installations.
73 Charles - KC8VWM
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by KE3HO on May 26, 2005
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Some time ago I was playing with the idea of putting up an off center feed dipole. I read several technical articles on the subject, and was thinking about playing around with 1/4 wave stubs in the antenna to try to make it a good match on 15M without disturbing the performance on other bands, if possible. Your idea would probably make this a lot easier to do. Tinkering with the length and placement of the dangler would be a lot easier than a 1/4 wave stub, especially in EZNEC. As soon as I get a chance I am going to sit down with EZNEC and experiment. This idea has a lot of possibilities. Thanks again, Alan.
73 - Jim
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by WA6BFH on May 26, 2005
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Charles, Charles, NO MORE EZNEC references please!
Let's stick to science!
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by WA2JJH on May 26, 2005
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Wire antenna's have the cost advantge. A spool of wire, some porcelan insulators or the cheaper plastic ones. One can build and experiment for under 10 dollars.
Many idea's came to mind. Many questions and mods and not answers come to mind.
Just a few of the questions.
1)do the added elements(dangles) give a angle of radiation that is low and good for DX?
2)Is the feed come close to presenting a 75 ohm impedance
3)I do not have the horizontal property rights for an 80/40M version of this antenna. Could a 40m/20m version
have as good performance?
4)lets say I decide to use the large diameter center or end loading coils to force an 80/40M version to
fit in 1/2 the horizontal space.
5)Would this antenna work well with a roof mounted antenna tuner for other bands(17M,20M,12M, and 10M)
(Ihave a psuedo answer. I must use a T style ATU.
A tuner that can tune out atleast a 5:1. Guess an ATu
located atthe transmitter would not get below a 2;1
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by WA2JJH on May 26, 2005
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Wire antenna's have the cost advantge. A spool of wire, some porcelan insulators or the cheaper plastic ones. One can build and experiment for under 10 dollars.
Many idea's came to mind. Many questions and mods and not answers come to mind.
Just a few of the questions.
1)do the added elements(dangles) give a angle of radiation that is low and good for DX?
2)Is the feed come close to presenting a 75 ohm impedance
3)I do not have the horizontal property rights for an 80/40M version of this antenna. Could a 40m/20m version
have as good performance?
4)lets say I decide to use the large diameter center or end loading coils to force an 80/40M version to
fit in 1/2 the horizontal space.
5)Would this antenna work well with a roof mounted antenna tuner for other bands(17M,20M,12M, and 10M)
(Ihave a psuedo answer. I must use a T style ATU.
A tuner that can tune out atleast a 5:1. Guess an ATu
located atthe transmitter would not get below a 2;1
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by N7OKL on May 26, 2005
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1)do the added elements(dangles) give a angle of radiation that is low and good for DX?
With the short length in terms of wavelength, they should not have much effect on the patern at all
2)Is the feed come close to presenting a 75 ohm impedance
With enough adjusting, a perfect feed point impedance of your choice can be achived
3)I do not have the horizontal property rights for an 80/40M version of this antenna. Could a 40m/20m version
have as good performance?
Pick your bands....will work well for any cmbo of bands or all
4)lets say I decide to use the large diameter center or end loading coils to force an 80/40M version to
fit in 1/2 the horizontal space.
Sure...why not....the 'dangles' are just a tunning device...all you are really doing is using them to provide part of the active antanna element for that band
5)Would this antenna work well with a roof mounted antenna tuner for other bands(17M,20M,12M, and 10M)
See question #2 above.....with correct adjustment, you would not even need a tuner at all
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by N7OKL on May 26, 2005
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Boy....I was starting to think I was the only one that still recalled this antenna....
Was attempting to pass on this idea on a message list, and did not come anywhere close to being this clear on the idea.....
Great job....
You can make for every ham band and several others as well....adjustment just takes more time. est adjustment method is to adjust the highest band to match at the bottom of the band, then adjust the next band, check for how much the first has changed (as long as it has not moved above the middle of the band, you should not need to re-adjust this one yet), if you had to re-adjust that band, re-adjust this band. When the highest band is still below the middle of the band and the next band is at the bottom of the band, move to the third and repeat the steps done before. Repeat all these steps until you have all your bands done. All band antenna.....
To match the lower bands with out needing to use a tuner, use 2 on 40, 3-4 on 80, and as many as 6 for 160. Just make them different lengths...example..on 40, use one 10 feet closest to the feed point, one 8 feet closest to the end. There will be alot more interaction between them, requiring more effort to get adjusted correctly, but can achive a fairly flat match across the entire band. You can also you a spreader, fix them at about the previous 'swwet spot' and then trim the length of the 'dangles' at the freqs you want to have a perfect match on that band.
Ussing spreaders as above for all bands, you can use the same method on an inverted V.
Your lowest band, if you have the room for the over all length can be done as a standard single wire dipole, or as a 'swallow tail'...2-4 wire faned out on a spreader....
Just some other notes as passed on to me by several elmers, and my own use of this antenna tuning idea....
Mel
N7OKL
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by N9WB on May 27, 2005
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I imagine that there are already some numbers on this, but there must be a limit on how short the stub, except for the one on the end, can be in % of a quarter wave of the frequency the stub is for. To make everything less experimental, I would probably use a 80/20 ratio. For example, using a 80 meter dipole and wishing to add 40 meters, I would come out 26 feet from the center and then use a stub slightly longer than 6.5 ft.For a total of slightly more than 32.5 ft. I believe I could go ahead and solder the stub to the main wire at that point and tune 40 meters by cutting and/or folding the stub as is shown rather than sliding the stub around.
For 20 meters I would come out 13 feet and then attach a stub slightly longer than 4'4" and shorten it to bring the band in.
The attachment point should not be extremely critical.
As you add stubs, the resonant frequency of the original 80 meter antenna will probably drop and it will need to be shortened in the tuning process. On the lowest band simply shorten the antenna at the ends a bit too much and then add a short stub of 6 " and fold or cut this to facilitate tuning of this band.
Now, if you have lots of room, you could make a dipole that is 122 to 123 ft long on each end and use a short 12" tuning stub on the ends. You could then come out 50 ft from the center and then use a stub a little over 13 feet to bring it to resonance on 80 meters.
The person that asked about the roof mounted tuner, why not just add stubs for the additional bands you want?
Most of you understand why this works, but for those who don't the theory is quite simple. The distance from the center along the main wire to the stub for a band and then the distance along that stub theoretically totals a quarter wave for that band. Of course the same thing is happening on the other identical side of the feed point so this will be a half wave dipole. Now the rest of the main wire and the other stubs theoretically disappear. This is because the other stuff reflects a much higher parallel impedance and the lower impedance of the resonant path gets the RF current for that frequency, just like the classic fan dipole.
Note that I said theoretically. In practice the additional stuff out there will affect the actual reactance, but you compensate for this by tuning a slight bit shorter than a quarter wave calculation.
If too little % of the quarter wave is in the stub, I would guess that the impedance at the stub would get so high that it would no longer divert the RF to itself.
In other words, this thing works much like the classic fan dipole that is two dipoles, one for say, 80 meters and one for 40 meters sharing the same coax. The difference is that both antennas share the same wire part of the way out.
Vy 73, Walt N9WB
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by W9OY on May 27, 2005
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For the OCF dipole I wonder if only one dangle would be needed since you are trying to bring the feedpoint impedance into the 200-300 ohm range, and are not really concerned with "balance" in this antenna.
W9OY
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by K0BG on May 27, 2005
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Lee, and another poster, mentioned an off-center fed dipole. This reminds me of yet another weird wire antenna that you don't see often; the three legged triplet.
Some years ago, there was a flurry of interest in the OCF triplet. It consisted of three legs. The longest element was on shield of the coax, and the two shorter ones were attached to the center conductor. I don't remember the lengths, but the idea was that one leg acted as a 1/4 wave, and the other a 3/8 or 5/8 wave as I recall. The crazy thing worked 4 bands, and had a relatively low SWR.
Nowadays with easy access to EZNEC, one could build the thing for all of the HF bands. It might require more than 3 legs, but who knows?
Alan, KØBG
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by W2WO on May 27, 2005
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Excellent.
Dangles are useful elsewhere. I have a half-sloper with 40 meters and 160 meters on one leg, with a coil separating the two sections. I needed to lower the 40 meter resonance and simply attached an 18" dangle to the "upper" side of the coil. Much easier than trying to lengthen the 40 meter wire.
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by WB0M on May 27, 2005
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How would this work as an inverted vee? Would the "dangles" still need to be at a right angle to the main wire? Tnx fer the article.
-- 73, Jeff/wb0m
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by K0BG on May 27, 2005
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Jeff, I had mine as an inverted V, and the dangles were not exactly 90° and it worked well.
Alan, KØBG
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by WB2WIK on May 27, 2005
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Remember, in any current-fed antenna such as a CF dipole, the "ends" don't do much except create resonance; most radiation is from nearer the center of the antenna, where all the current is.
Orientation of the ends shouldn't matter at all, except with regard to establishing resonance and maintaining balance. If one end is closer to the ground than the other, the antenna's imbalanced, anyway.
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by K8MHZ on May 27, 2005
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If you have to put a bell on a dangle to make it ring out properly, does that make it a dingle or a dongle?
Nice, informative article. Any twist on antenna crafting is always a good read.
73 K8MHZ
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by WA6BFH on May 27, 2005
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In the spirit of recent antenna articles and ideas, I have come up with a proto-type design that I think holds proportional revelations for a similarly wonderful design!
This proto-type antenna I have made is for the 160 Meter band (although it can be loaded on almost any frequency), it is best that the first working models be as close to “DC” as practical. It is a basic mobile design but, may also be applicable for home rooftop mounting. The standard 1 foot radius counterpoise package works well on rooftops (owners of homes with wooden shake shingle roofing should however provide a design cautious installation)! The mobile mount is a trunk magnet installation.
The antenna consists of a 3 foot long coil form of #28 wire, with a 1 foot diameter capacitive ‘hat’ at the top of the coil, and a similar counterpoise below. The antenna is best fed with RG58 if power levels of 100 or more Watts are to be used, and RG-174 at power levels of less than 100 Watts. In either case it is an advantage to use long coax runs! Initial installation testing should be done on dark evenings, when the antenna can be observed. Further use may also be approached on very hot days, so as to test for overall application efficiency.
The antenna is a real winner! Simple to install, easily accepts and absorbs nearly all power levels, and efficiently re-radiates energy -- as may be easily recorded with infra-red film. I have a few additional earlier test units (wound with smaller gauge wire) available for trial!
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RE: Space Saving Design
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by FP5CJ on May 27, 2005
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IF i put up a full size 80 meters dipole in a "beverage configuration"(so very low from the ground!no other choice!
Could I get chance for low SWR, without using the rig's internal ATU in TX on 80M?
How will it perform for short distance QSO's in a 300 miles range?(not dreaming about DX'ing with such"LOTGA"
(LOTGA=low on the ground antenna!).hi
any idea or tips to add?
thanks by advance, if so!!
73
JP
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RE: Alternate Dipole
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by WA6BFH on May 28, 2005
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QST, QST I'm hearing very loud 6 Meter single and double hop E-skip -- on my half-wave vertical omni!
6 has been open for about the last hour!
73! de John WA6BFH 12:41 PDT
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RE: Alternate Dipole
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by K2WH on June 4, 2005
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Nice article, but why bother. Just put up as much wire as you can, straight run as far as possible, go left, go right, go up or go down. Feed it with ladder line and a tuner and have at it. Forget the dangles.
K2WH
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by K2WH on June 4, 2005
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Mail this to a friend!
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IF i put up a full size 80 meters dipole in a "beverage configuration"(so very low from the ground!no other choice!
Could I get chance for low SWR, without using the rig's internal ATU in TX on 80M?
How will it perform for short distance QSO's in a 300 miles range?(not dreaming about DX'ing with such"LOTGA"
(LOTGA=low on the ground antenna!).hi
any idea or tips to add?
thanks by advance, if so!!
73
JP
You will need a 9:1 balun for this to work. Beverages are great receiving antennas but are really bad for transmitting since they have negative gain.
K2WH
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Alternate Dipole
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by VE3XDB on July 21, 2005
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Alan,
Thank you for the excellent article. I now have a project for the weekend!
Over the past couple of years, I have been running a low-profile inverted vee dipole, 20' at the apex, and running down to the sides of my lot, tied to the fence at about 7'. Each leg is 40' long, and I use an SGC-239 coupler at the feedpoint. I work mostly 20, 30 and 40 cw. The coupler has been finicky, and there is very little control available to the operator. I was thinking of a G5RV type antenna, but would have trouble getting ladder line cleanly to my operating position.
This idea might get me on the air with low SWR that could be managed with a small tuner at my operating position. I will post again after I give it a try!
Thanks again for the article.
Regards,
Doug VE3XDB
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