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'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017

Don Thomas (W0PEA) on June 26, 2005
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My Fellow Amateurs,

I wrote the following article in 1997 as an April Fool’s Day article. The impact that although it is fiction, it is somewhat Orwellian in its predictions. Consider my reference to United Global Technology LTD, and compare it to Broadband over Power Lines (BPL). BPL may not be our greatest enemy.

I sent the article to the ARRL, and since it cast them in a dark light, they took great exception to it and informed me that I was in error on the average age of hams. I had stated HF operator license holder age, and they gave the overall ham age of all classes which is much lower due to the No Code Technician youngsters with 2 meter walkie talkies on their belt that were included in the average. They refused to publish the article.

The age problem is now clearly beginning to show it's evidence. Listen to any of the HF ham bands. There are not too many on, with the upper bands totally void. You might say band conditions, but when there are heterodynes and QRM on 11 meters, you should be able to hear at least something on 10 & 15 meters besides band noise. Even 20 meters is getting to be sparsely populated during the day, except for some nets. Listen to 75 meters and look up the calls that you hear. -- Many cases of Octogenarians talking about their geriatric problems and treatment. How long has it been since you spontaneously found someone under the age of 20 on the HF bands? They are simply not very many youth getting into ham radio, especially on HF and those who do soon depart, not to return, if they cannot find anyone of their age and interests to talk to.

Recent license statistics show that our numbers are thinning. Statistically in the next ten years, about 50% of the current General, Advanced, and Extra Class Licensees will become silent keys.

I am afraid that we are seeing the passing of an era..........

Don WØPEA



“Ham Radio” Ends

April 1, 2017

One hundred years after its inception, amateur radio has come to an end. The hobby once considered by many to be on the cutting edge of technology began to deteriorate in the last decade of the century. Technology advances in computers, cellular telephone, wireless data communication and total global communication via satellite and spread spectrum technology overshadowed amateur radio technology.

United Global Technology LTD, successor to American Telephone and Telegraph, the successful bidder for global High Frequency spectrum, announced today that it will utilize hyper-compressed spread spectrum technology on the frequencies from 3 MHz to 30 MHz to provide data, voice, and video communication globally. The new technology will provide the capability of 100 million simultaneous data, voice and video communication channels on frequencies once used by only a handful of amateur radio operators.

The U.S. President and leaders of the world community met in Helsinki to sign and formalize the world agreement with United Global Technology.

Many believe that the amateurs resistance to change was a major factor in the Federal Communications Commission and similar organizations in other countries in the global community to decide that the frequencies once used by amateurs could be put to better use for the citizens of the world, not just a select few.

Amateurs originally used the Morse Code to communicate over the globe. The amateur radio operators kept pace with the new technologies as they emerged until late in the century, when the Internet first became popular. Morse Code use by the Military, Government and Maritime Services was discontinued during the last five years of the previous century. Internet technology quickly overshadowed amateur radio and the interest in becoming a “Ham” radio operator became passé. This was further amplified by complacency among the amateurs, and their resolve to cling tenaciously to the Morse Code as a requirement to obtain a license.

The American Radio Relay League, once the representative of the amateurs, did not recognize in the last decade of the century that the amateurs holding license privileges that required Morse Code were diminishing due to death and attrition at a rate faster than new licensees. As the turn of the century approached, the average age of the HF license holder exceeded 65 years of age. At the World Radio Conference in 1999, the ARRL staunchly voted to retain the Morse Code as a license requirement after polling the ARRL members that only represented a small minority of the licensed amateurs. When it was finally recognized that the hobby was literally dying of old age, it was too late to make any significant changes to prevent its unfortunate demise.

By the turn of the century the growth that the hobby enjoyed by the initiation of a No Code license was thwarted by competition from global satellite interests with their need for frequency spectrum. The reallocation and sale of frequency spectrum started during the administration of the late President Clinton quickly consumed the VHF, and UHF spectrum that the amateurs had used. The global HF spectrum has now been taken since the total number of amateurs no longer justifies their claim to the frequencies.

An era has come to an untimely end.

Don Thomas, once known as WØPEA, 73 to all and SK……………………….

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'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by KG4RUL on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
'The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!'

C. Little - Date Unknown
 
'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by N0FPE on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Don. Since the whole thing is ending please send me all your radio equipment so I can enjoy it right up til the end. You will not be needing it a you have already decided that ham radio is dead. Or at least you will in 2017. I want to get a jump on things and make sure I have lots of toys to play with while you are on the internet. Oh by the way those DEAD bands you talk abt were full this weekend with field day stations. Guess they forgot to read your doom and gloom prediction. OH OH it is an April Fools joke!!! I see.....of course you wouldnt write something like that if you didnt think that way at least a little.

IMHO and 2 cents worth.

Dan
 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by KSGANT on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe, just maybe, the decline in Ham is because everyone is saying that there's a decline in Ham. When new people such as myself, start to get interested and do some research, they come upon sentiments such as these touting doom and gloom. So why should I waste my time doing something that will be dead in ten years?

Well, I could look instead at the facts instead of anecdotal evidence from people that "feel" something is wrong. One fact leaps to mind is that there are currently almost 700,000 Ham licenses in the US at this time...more than at any other time. Cynics could polk holes into this and say that not all of them are on the air, but they can't give you an accurate number as it would all involve guesswork. Guesswork has for too long being paraded as fact in the media and society. It's like these weather models that big super-computers crunch away at to try to predict what the climate will be in 100 years. This is PURE guesswork. They have no idea what it will be like. Same as with Ham. The Ham experts seem to be the least accurate in predicting the future of Ham.

Another fact is that people have been shouting the doom and death of Ham for DECADES. I'm not talking just in the past 5 years. Or 10 years or even 20. We're talking about 50+ years of people complaining that Ham isn't growing, isn't viable, isn't going to last. So should this new prediction be taken seriously then?

You also have to take into account the background of the people that write the articles or posts that repeat the doom. Are they themselves just becoming less interested in the hobby and are projecting that into their writings?
 
May not be an April Fool Jest.  
by KF4VGX on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
May not be .

I've said this in the past,
Do a search on the internet on * Clubs *

Then look at the pictures taken.
The over all color of hair is gray.
Sad but True.

We know what our youth enjoy this day and age .
Amateur Radio is just not competing with what todays world offers our youth.


Just read some of the comments in this article.

http://www.eham.net/articles/11224
 
RE: May not be an April Fool Jest.  
by KSGANT on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I read that article...and not sure what you're pointing to in the comments. Some crabby people, some optimistic people. Just like any other article with comments that you see on the Internet.

Look at it this way. Ham can support itself. Even if it gets down to 10 people in the country, there are still 10 people to chat with. If the Internet got down to 10 people, it would collapse as it needs a heavy infrastructure to keep going. Same with cell phones. The only thing that would hinder it is if the FCC were to take away ALL Ham frequencies. I'm talking all of them. I can see things getting shuffled around as it has since the inception of radio, but I don't see it dying totally.

If anything my wife, son and myself will be able to talk to each other while out on the road or here at home..which is one of the main reasons we want to get into this. We go to places where there is no cell coverage and frankly probably won't be for a very long time as there just isn't anyone out there. Even if there was, you still have to pay a monthly fee...that is if the cell company you're using sticks around. How many times do they switch hands or get bought out by another company.
 
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by K0JEG on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
As I see it, there are 2 big reasons old timers are the only people you see in ham club pictures:

1) The population of the US is getting old. The majority of people (the boomers), are nearing retirement age. Look around you. Most people are getting grey these days. Of course, most HAMs don't really care about their looks, so they are less likely to dye their hair.

2) Ham radio seemed to hit a peak in the 50's, after WWII. Much of this seems to be releated to operators learning radio operation in the war, surplus equipment availability, and (I think) Heathkit. The other thing that seemed to be a bigger part of life was the Boy Scouts. I'm sure a lot of kids learned Morse and radio operation on the way to getting a merrit badge.

Much has been said about the lack of new blood in the hobby, but I can't seem to remember seeing many kids at the hamfests when I was younger, either. I think the barriers to entry these days are lower than ever, radios are cheaper and better than ever (accounting for inflation), and I hear a lot of activity locally these days -of course, where I used to live there wasn't much. I know 2 people who got their ticket (no code tech) this year, one of which is very active in his area. Both of them are over 40, but so what?

The ARRL always puts pictures of young operators in the magazine, like that's the only way to keep the hobby alive. The problem is most kids don't want to talk to a bunch of old timers. If you really want kids on the bands, get a mass of cell phone kids involved. Of course, when the bands start to sound like FRS, don't complain.
 
RE: May not be an April Fool Jest.  
by N3JBH on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Unfortunately you made reference to Morse code in this article. Holly crap !!!! Don’t you know never say Morse code in an article. I hung out on 6 meters yesterday band was open and field day contact where hot. But you know what I only heard 3 stations using cw. To state side in one from Trinidad all 3 was running at high speeds 20+ wpm so heck I doubt any slower guys could even had copied then. Opps darn it I keep forgetting I am one blasted tech’s myself sorry folks I do use cw. Anyways my point you should never mention Morse code on eham as flame wars will always begin. Hey great article how ever and I agree whole lot with it. Jeff/n3jbh
 
'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by KD7EZE on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I find this to be nothing more than a personal prediction at best. If it does happen, the people manufacturing ham radios will have to shift to something else, like commercial radios. Most of them are doing this anyway, so it will be pretty much unimportant to them. The ham stores will have to find other items to sell or go under. The hams who are diehard boat anchor fans will be the most fortunate, as they will still be able to repair their own equipment, provided it breaks down. The ones that own the new stuff will be in more of a predicament, as the surface mount boards prevents most people from even opening the case, much less working on them. If the FCC does sell our frequencies to other users, it won't matter anyway, as we'll be unable to legally use them. I do agree that the average age of hams on HF is at retirement age or older, and let's face it, they're not getting any younger. I agree that the total number of hams has increased, due to the no-code tech license, but because of band limitations many get bored and just go away. Allowing techs to get their general license (they would have to take the written test) without code, would increase the ham population some. These figures wouldn't be as high as some might think, as radios and antenna setups capable of HF operation are still quite expensive, and most people I know wouldn't think of spending money on an old radio. Besides, internet chat rooms, cell phones, and FRS radios are far less expensive and more appealing to our youth, especially since you don't need a license for any of them.

To the poster who stated that he has been several places where his cell phone won't work, I can only suggest that you update your service, equipment, or change carriers. I travel extensively throughout North America, and have yet to have a call dropped for lack of service. I also have both ham and commercial radios in my truck, provided I do someday find a dead spot. I do use the radios on a daily basis, so I'm not saying that prefer the cell, it just provides a little more privacy.

 
'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by KM9I on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with you Don that the HF bands are showing a marked decline in activity although I believe the average age of the Ham population is only one contributing factor.
Yes - we are experiencing poor propagation due to being near the bottom of the sun-spot cycle, but there are many times of the day when there is good propagation if only for a short period of time on all bands.
There are many propagation beacons that one can monitor that will give a quick check on current conditions. As you mentioned in regard to ten meters - lots of cw beacons plus the activity or lack of it on the 11 meter band. Regardless of which band one likes there are lots of ways to check propagation.
For what ever reason - in my opinion, based on talking to other Hams in my community and the daily monitoring of the HF bands, I doubt if five percent of the Hams who have HF priviledges are now active on HF. I won't rehash all the possible reasons for this lack of interest.
If we are going to survive as a hobby it's very important that we show enthusiasm and interest in HF radio communications. If we don't act like we really enjoy our hobby we will not keep people and we will not attract youth.
We don't need more Hams, we need Hams who are active and excited about Amateur Radio. Why would anyone want to join a club whose members are inactive and apathetic about their hobby ?
The thrill of long distance HF radio communications is what attracted me to Amateur Radio and continues to make it a great hobby for me.

73 - Ed KM9I


 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by KSGANT on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
There are other cell phone services here, but at the time that we dumped our service we were fed up with the monthly bill. I mean, it's just one more bill we have to pay. Not to mention that we lost power here a year ago for 2 days and after around 30 hours the cell close by no longer operated. OK, so that's an extreme situation, but it did happen.

But let's face it here folks. Ham has NEVER had a huge following. A vocal following to be sure, but compared to the general population, Ham is a very very small minority. It always has been. Kids grew up in the 40s-70s never even knowing anyone that knew anyone in Ham. It isn't like the population using the Internet and Email today...which is in the millions. I can see cause for concern if there were millions of Ham operators in the US and 90% of them left to go to the Internet. This isn't the case. Ham population is the largest it has ever been, but when everyone compares it to Internet populations it looks like it's dying. Stop trying to compare it to the Internet.

Yes, kids today have computers and videogames and DVD's and cell phones. But what about in the 60's and 70's? Kids didn't have any of those things and STILL Ham didn't take off as a huge hobby. You're looking for causality where there is none. Kids aren't staying away from Ham in droves because of different, better technology today. They're just doing what they've always done...be kids! Kids are weird...they're goofy. They're going to do what they want. If they do want to get into Ham...as some do, they will.
 
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by W8AD on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Ham radio peaked in 50s? In 1950 there were approx 90,000 U.S. hams. Now there are approx 700,000. In 1950,when I got my ticket, it seemed all the hams I rode my bike to visit were "old timers". There were only 5 in our high school who got ham tickets in those years. It seemed the rest of the hams in town were guys with gray hair.

Sound familiar? So, the "sky has been falling" at least since 1950 when I observed all this. Hmmmmm. Before the sky hits you on the head, get on the air and have fun as I have doing for the last 55 years. I'm still looking up-----

Don, W8AD
 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by AC0H on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
<<"The age problem is now clearly beginning to show it's evidence. Listen to any of the HF ham bands. There are not too many on, with the upper bands totally void. You might say band conditions, but when there are heterodynes and QRM on 11 meters, you should be able to hear at least something on 10 & 15 meters besides band noise. Even 20 meters is getting to be sparsely populated during the day,">>

I submit the author's listening the wrong time of day. Yes, most of the HF bands during the day are going to be populated by older, RETIRED Hams. You don't hear "Younger" (25-55yrs of age) Hams on the air during the day because we are AT WORK during the day.

You don't hear a lot of 25 and younger Hams on the HF bands for two reasons.

1. Despite the FCC and ARRL's attempt to make HF privi's easy enough for ANYONE with a little motivation to get, most young NCT's aren't upgrading. The majority of them are sitting around waiting for the FCC to give to them through regulation what they could earn through the expenditure of a little effort. Alas, this seems to be a comentary on society in general and isn't limited to Ham Radio alone.

2. Even though rig prices adjusted for inflation are about the same as they've ever been, with a few STUPID 5 digit exceptions, 25 and unders have no money or would rather spend it on something else.

Seems to me the best time to judge HF band activity and who's doing it would be on the weekend when those of us who work have some discretionary time to get on the air.
 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by W6TH on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
.

No, the sky is not falling hamsters.

A fantastic fiction story associated with: An instance of indirect reference: an allusion to classical mythology.

The condition of being deceived by a false perception or belief.
Something, such as a fantastic plan or desire, that causes an erroneous belief or perception.

CW will go on as long as there are people that know how to use it. SSB will remain and may combine with the internet.

Anything that can be used for gov't taxing will always remain. Tax it and we will have it to keep forever.

73, W6TH

.:
 
'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by WA6BFH on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
A very good and thought provoking article!

Speaking for myself, a Ham who sometimes lets the thorn of being a somewhat aging curmudgeon stick in my butt, it gives me some things to think about when I am looking for a QSO on the HF bands. Even on the VHF through SHF bands!

I’m also glad that there is a forum like e-Ham for such an article to be published! Screw the ARRL if they don’t want to print it! That is the problem with that organization, they are still polishing the brass (pounder’s) as the Titanic is going down!

73, and keep such good articles coming! John
 
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by K6AER on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I couldn’t help but notice that at Dayton this year about half of the attendees would be dead in 20 years. Where will the hams come from? This is not so much about the hobby but education in the sciences in general. Forty years ago, youth was interested in science, the moon race and all things technical. Engineers were looked upon as the inventors who brought forth solutions to societies needs. Now most kids give no thought to how products are developed nor do they care. Just go to Wally World and buy what ever they need. Interest in science and technology has been displaced to other countries and we for the most part have become a consumer nation. We still have out shining stars but most kids admire athletes and rock stars over the pioneers in science.
 
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by KC8VWM on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

It might make for a good Stephen King movie.

The movie starts when the camera pans in to the dead skeletal remains of a man sitting upright in a chair at his radio. The radio which is now covered in cobwebs is still powered on and glowing in the dimly lit room crackling with dead static. The calendar beside the radio on the wall reads April, 2017.

... to be continued
 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by WA6BFH on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Yup, absotutely!

And all the stuff at Wally World was made in Israel (where science is valued), or China!

Check your e-mail!
 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by WA6BFH on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
You mean the tubes are still glowing, and cobwebs are on the J-38?

Check the other article!
 
'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by WB7AVF on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
EXCUSE ME I'M NOT A MEMBER..YET..WILL BE SOON

I had taken a hiatus from HF operation for fifteen years in the States. Had mostly used small VHF rigs qrp camping and climbing in my other home, Mexico. Now, back in USA, my Extra Class Licence dusted off and put back up (which I've held since 1979--20 wpm code days), and with a new old QRP radio, dipole and key...voila...on the air. 30m and having fun. Yet...

Hmm... apart from Field Day chatter, the main thing I notice is that apart from people my age (43) and older, the basic tendency is towards nominal, ragchew-less QSOing. You know: UR RST...QTH IS...TNX 73...

Formerly, I used to use CW and actually TALK to people about things besides WX and QRM/N!

I'm gonna still stick with it--I do believe in the MYSTIQUE of Amateur Radio. But it's true that internet, ipods and self-contained entertainment systems make radio a less viable option for younger people; in addition, the general literacy level is low, and quite frankly, the "CB mentality" which we used to decry in the 70s/80s is present in ham radio, too, to a degree.

Although not a "techie" myself, I respect those who actually can resolve minimal transmitter, receiver and antenna problems. This is part of the Tradition.

Things change. It'd be like asking my students ( I teach music) to learn sight-reading, harmony and counterpoint as well as say, I had to or my teachers. Why bother? they say. The Mac and a good music software programme can "notate" all of their "inspiration."

Perhaps amateur radio is facing a similar crossroads: irrelevant, without purpose, obsolete, unserviceable, unnecessary.

Add to this an aging population...
 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by KSGANT on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Um...did anyone read my post? iPods, internet, rock stars, cell phones are NOT the reason kids aren't flocking to Ham.

Kids were not flocking to it 40 years ago either when there wasn't videogames, iPods, internet, DVDs. Ham has always been a nitch. 55,000 licensed people in the country doing Ham in the 50's. Almost 700,000 licensed today. Don't tell me it's not as popular as back then because that's simply not true. It may be a "feeling" you have or a "gut reaction" to a situation. But those pesky facts keep coming up.

Wonder what the excuse was back in the 50's and 60's as to why kids weren't interested in it. Same then...same now.
 
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by K5TN on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
W0PEA has more than done his part over the years to relieve the congestion on 75 meters, with his unrelenting flow of bumptious, supercilious magniloquence. Now he's subjecting the computer neighborhood to it, as well. Is there no relief??
 
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by VE3WGO on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
It's funny, you know. A week ago I was browsing through some old QSTs from the early 1960's that I picked up at a recent hamfest. Some of the editorials, even back then, were voicing concern about how to get people interested in becoming hams, since there was a perception that interest was on the slide. So then I looked at some even older QSTs I have from 1939, and voila! ...same sentiment! It seems that insecurity and interest in ham radio go hand in hand, and are controlled by the same region of our brains. Hmmm, maybe we can capitalize on the fear factor for our recruiting drive?
 
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by WB7AVF on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Indeed. My father--ex W7EWO--mentions this to me: back in the 30s there was also 'concern' about 'ham radio' losing its 'inventive edge'. So point well taken: a small niche, fraternity et al.

 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by KA0GKT on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Are we really youth friendly? I would like to think so, but some of the things we hear on the bands might indicate otherwise. Just as worry about the numbers of amateur licensees seems to be a constant since the beginnings of Ham radio, the gender gap remains an institution in Amateur radio.

I can remember my Uncle WA0MQM (SK) had a regular schedule with Phil (Sorry, OM, I can't remember your call). Both were teenagers, both had challenges which kept them from School back in the sixties, Ron was confined to a wheelchair and Phil is blind. Well, some LID came on frequency and started haranguing them about how they should be in School and that youngsters should stay off 75 where their elders met. I believe that Ron and Phil were talking about the latest Beach Boys or Beatles Album, thus making them undesirables. It took another "older" HAM to tell off the LID in no uncertain terms for the miscreant to back off.

I hear similar situations on our VHF bands, someone who has the misfortune to sound young being shunned by other HAMs. Inexperienced Ops being cruely lectured instead of Elmered.

In the words of Pogo (the rest of us Oldsters might remember Pogo) "We have met the enemy and it is Us".

While we should be offended by bad operators who flaunt the rules and regs, we should kindly correct the problems of a new op. If there is a problem with someone's signal, we should offer help, not condemnation and humiliation as so often happens with younger HAMs.

It is very true that a few bad apples can ruin everything. We need to elmer those few among us who have become a curmudgeon throughout the ensuing years. We need to impress upon them that the new ham who wasn't issued a 2X3 or 2x2 call when first licensed is just as much a HAM as was Bill Mathmeier (W0AW (SK)) and the old man himself. and that they need to pass along the knowlege, not lecture the young-uns about how it was way back when before SSB and FM.

73 DE KA0GKT/7

 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by K3UD on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I attempt to keep track of numbers and demographics concerning the ARS. I post the numbers trends on QRZ,com every month

For what its worth, here are some historical numbers that I posted last month, but am posting them again for those who missed them.


Numbers of US population and the number of hams at the start of each decade from 1930.


Year....Population#.....Hams....Growth Rate

1930....123,202,624....19,000
1940....132,164,569....56,000......194%
1950....151,325,798....87,000.......55%
1960....179,323,175....230,000.....164%
1970....203,211,926....263,918......15%
1980....226,545,805....393,353......49%
1990....248,709,873....502,677......28%
2000....281,421,906....682,240......36%
2005...............................666,131......-2.4%


The 2005 number was as of May 1, 2005.

Sorry about all the periods but for some reason
the forum would not take my original format.

73
George
K3UD
 
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by WA6BFH on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Should we not look at our population numbers relative to the populace at large?
 
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by KC8VWM on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Year....Population#.....Hams....Growth Rate

1930....123,202,624....19,000
1940....132,164,569....56,000......194%
1950....151,325,798....87,000.......55%
1960....179,323,175....230,000.....164%
1970....203,211,926....263,918......15%
1980....226,545,805....393,353......49%
1990....248,709,873....502,677......28%
2000....281,421,906....682,240......36%
2005...............................666,131......-2.4%


Hmmmm.

The trend looks to me like we are back on the rise again. -2.4% is still more growth today than back in 1990.

Growth seen between the periods 1990 and 2000 project more ham radio growth than the same 10 year period between 1960 - 1970

I wonder what 1965 looked like for comparison? I am suspecting it dropped slightly similar to what we are seeing in 2005.
 
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by W7WIK on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
If you can't hear much on the high bands maybe you need better antennas.

It's also summer. There's more to life than radio, and many hams are involved in other activities in the summer. I, for example, rode my motorcycle all day yesterday and my mountain bike today.

The solar cycle is at it's minimum right now. It's a lot more fun when the solar numbers are high and you can work DX with a tuner connected to a window-frame. Many hams just don't operate that much when the solar cycle is low. I don't.
 
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by KE4ZHN on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
More doom and gloom. To hear some talk, the hobby is dead or dying and all the operators are half dead old farts. If you think its that bad do the rest of us a favor and sell out. That will open up more band space for those of us who enjoy this great hobby called amateur radio. Go preach doom and gloom to someone else whos as miserable as yourself.
 
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by KSGANT on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the data K3UD.

Looks like the period from 1990 to 2000 was an upsurge in Ham rather than a downfall...even though this was the growth period of the Internet right up until the dot.com bubble-burst. Cell phones were also making huge inroads into our lives at this time too.

But as you can see, the larges dive in the numbers came from 1960-1970. Anyone have a theory as to this? Hippies?

Lol.
 
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<Growth seen between the periods 1990 and 2000 project more ham radio growth than the same 10 year period between 1960 - 1970 >


Anybody remember the “DP” nets of the 1960’s?


His name is Robert Paulson,..... His name is Robert Paulson
 
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20M seems just as crowded as 25 years ago.
The point of many NCT's waiting for a free upgrade to general does have much merit.
 
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WA6BFH -- Good grief dude -- do you ever, EVER let anyone post something without feeling you have to come back 200 times with your running crap comments.!!

The one good thing i get from this article is statistically folks like you will be barely able to turn on ham radio equipment as you set there in your adult diapers let alone talk on it by 2017...

I just wish we could find a way to keep you off the internet until then....




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by W9OY on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Flash year 2017....

I guess this means that I will have to go back to building clandestine little CW rigs that I can hide under the stairs, and sneak some wires up in the trees at night so I can work the other outlaws down on the low end of 40M.

I don't really worry about the feds comming to get me. The FCC has virtually been gutted since the world government put Social Security into receivership last year. No one in the FCC has been paid since and I hear they quit showing up to work. The little dutch boys in the Haig are busy with all the suicide bombings and they're still trying to figure out what happened to Natalie Hollaway so they can't be bothered with a few dog gnats having radio fun down on 40M.

73 W9OY



 
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"Thanks for the data K3UD.

Looks like the period from 1990 to 2000 was an upsurge in Ham rather than a downfall...even though this was the growth period of the Internet right up until the dot.com bubble-burst. Cell phones were also making huge inroads into our lives at this time too.

But as you can see, the larges dive in the numbers came from 1960-1970. Anyone have a theory as to this? Hippies?

Lol."

I guess that a point can be made that some people during the 60s were starting to turn away from technology and get back to the basics of living, but I am not sure that this affected ham radio that much. A better reason might be that this was the start of the class D CB boom which peaked out in the 70s. Perhaps it was more atractive to be able to pay for a license from the FCC to get on 27 megacycles than it was to study for a ham license.

Another thing that could have slowed things down was that the FCC increased the distance you had to be from an FCC examination point in order to take the General test by mail. I think it had been 75 miles away from an FCC testing point and then was increased to 175 miles in the early 60s (I am sure someone will correct this if it is wrong) This meant that a lot more of the population who wanted to be General class or higher had to sit for a test in front of an FCC examiner.

Other evidence suggests the the CBers of the 60s and early 70s got disgusted with the service and were a large part of the nice increase we had in the 70s. I was teaching code and theory at a local Community College continuing adult education progran, leading to a Novice or Technician license. Most of the class were made up by people who were CBers who wanted to upgrade to hams.

There is also some statistical evidence that the ARS raw numbers peaked out in 1995-96. This was about the time when most of the county got affordable dial up internet service. Might be a connection there.

73
George
K3UD
 
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by 4Z7DIB on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I recently joined the ranks with a technician grade (equiv.) license here in Israel, although I have followed ham radio since I was 13 (I received a gift subscription to QST as a bar-mtzva present). My class, run by the IARC, started with 12 people and ended up graduating 14! The youngest was a 17 year old high school student , and the oldest I believe was 57.

What inspired the group? Some of the guys like to drive 4x4 off-road, and wanted a safety net. A couple are into building things, and another is planning a round-the-world yacht trip and wants to be able to get messages (without paying a fortune to have a commercial satellite link). My driver was the fact that most of the qualifying I have to do for my airman's radio certificate is the same as the ham requirements, so I am killing two birds with one stone.

Most of the group have continued onwards with code classes, having set their sights on a general ticket. I might do this later on as well, but I have other fish to fry at the moment (eg. finishing up my pilot's license).

Remember what Woody Allen said about not wanting to belong to any club that would have wanted him as a member?

The current situation where a person who wants to put the effort in to qualify for a "real" ham ticket can do so, while someone like myself who just needs the utility of 2 way comms (until my pride gets the better of me) - seems to work, so why are we getting worked up so much? People who just want to talk to strangers around the globe without learning the craft - can download ICQ or skyPE.

And if anyone is interested - I can be found on Echolink on rare occasions.

73 & Shalom from the Holyland.

Richie
 
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by W6IVO on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Hello OM,
Thank you for a great post. I got my ticket in 1952. You have the right idea. Enjoy!
73, Al W6IVO
 
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by ARRLBOOSTER on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Here at headquarters we are working on many, new, exciting ways to increase activity and membership.
Some of these include working with Icom to develop a new wheelchair mount for their 706 as well as Cushcraft and their work on a vertical that uses the wheelchair spokes as radiating elements! Nursing homes, all over New England are setting up Ham stations! New voice response firmware in Ten Tec radios, ensure that even with teeth out, your copy is 5x9.

 
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by K0RFD on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

I have actual proof--a piece of it just hit me on the head.

Some people need to quit posting in chat forums and get on the air more.
 
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by EVERALM on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Folks,

First, to avoid flaming, I'm in the process of sitting my first US exam. The last time I keyed Morse was in the British Army a loooooooong time ago. When I get my call sign I'll update.

The reason morsae for me was a long time ago is that all of the technology moved forward. Technological progression, in radio communication, has been to pushed by military needs and requirements since before Marconi first transmitted across the Atlantic. Packet transmission, meteor burst communication, satellite comms, software radio's, miniaturisation (QRP) the list goes on.

All have had a link or usually origination via amateur radio, usually by people with some time, great enthusiasm and waaaaay small budgets

Now, before I get the traditional heckling of how bandwidth conserving and efficient CW is (which it is) lets also admit that PSK31 is as well.

Ham radio was created by pioneers and those who made progress 'cause they believed they could. They embraced improvisation, technological change and cutting edge progress. They used CW because it was what was available THEN. As soon voice became available they embraced that, then the non HF bands, then AM to FM, then SSB, the list goes on.

I have read the long flame wars about PACTOR for example and the focus has been "Why do they need email, learn CW", "Those automated stations treading on MY bandwidth/freq".

The mentality is "I don't need/want/desire it so they (the faceless THEY) shouldn't have it! Hey, 1/5/10/15 years ago I passed my CW at 5/13/20 wpm, Let them eat cake." For those the allusion has passed, the phrase was immortalised by Marie Antoinette just before they remove her head from her shoulders in the French Revolution.

Folks, change is inevitable, there is only one unchanging and static state, it's called death.

If we want the hobby, I prefer the word passion...>8-) to prosper it needs to move forward and keep its relevance.

BBS systems are old (reliable)technolgy with a kludgey mail system BUT are inherently limited because they are isolated.
PSK31 provides one to one Instant Messaging functionality and can, with work provide one to one, one to many and many to many instant comms.do
We can and do run high latency, low bandwidth networks through standard protocols.

ALL THIS AND STILL KEEP RAG-CHEWING........

With the expansion of WiFi, 3G and other bandwidth consuming monsters there is a definite need to return to the basics.

Ham radio at it's core is about the enjoyable provision of cost effective, bandwidth efficient communication.

So lets focus on our areas of excellence and use them to demonstrate our relevance.

1. We can still B/S over the bands and talk a lot about a little. To my mind the actual fun.

2 We can focus and what we can add in emergency comms and disaster relief

3. Technical expertise and ability to thing outside of the norm.

I was working in downtown New York during 9/11 and I watched as all our comms collapsed inwards. At one point the only way I could call my wife in New Jersey, line of site approx 2 miles, was via Voice over IP phone to London, transfer to Frankfurt office, to Singapore office, to Hong Kong office, to Tokyo office, to San Francisco office to NJ. Then the land lines died and my wife was convinced so had I.

One of my work colleagues was a ham and lived locally and managed a 15 second phone patch for me that day. That was the most precious gift I remember from that day.

Fun, enjoyment, expertise and relevance are not mutually exclusive if we embrace how, what and and where we can link with new technology then 2017 will remain a story. If we don't it has all the hallmarks of a prophecy.
 
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by W5HTW on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
<< by KSGANT
Um...did anyone read my post? iPods, internet, rock stars, cell phones are NOT the reason kids aren't flocking to Ham.>>(radio. Ham *radio*. I know some kids who love ham, more than sausage or bacon, in fact. I like it, too.

Yeah, I read your post. And what I get out of all of the posts you made are you want a free cell phone.

I hope you find one. "OR" that you find an interest in ham radio. Actually I prefer the later, as those with an interest in ham radio actually do something for the hobby/service, rather than just using it as a utility. If you like ham radio because it IS ham radio, that's great. If you like it because it's a free cell phone, I prefer you stick to Nextel.

Ed
 
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by GHOSTBUSTER on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Oh man, GHOSTRIDERHF is back, he writes:

"WA6BFH -- Good grief dude -- do you ever, EVER let anyone post something without feeling you have to come back 200 times with your running crap comments.!!

The one good thing i get from this article is statistically folks like you will be barely able to turn on ham radio equipment as you set there in your adult diapers let alone talk on it by 2017...

I just wish we could find a way to keep you off the internet until then.... "

I know who this freebander is, and I can only describe his rantings as "Gay Rage".

Who ya gonna call?

GHOSTBUSTER!

 
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by AA3WS on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Shall we close the Patent Office?
AA3WS
 
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by W5GNB on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
OH WELL-----
I seem to remember that CB was more fun anyway!!
No ARRL
No CONTESTERS
run as much POWER as you want
No NETS
no STUPID license test
No "KILOCYCLE KOPS"
No CODE
No "HERBIE'S"
No K1MAN

And NO FCC to pester you. They are all busy busting the HAM banders while CB goes WILD!!!!!

I think when the time comes I will just be TEN-EIGHT and READY TO MODULATE!! GOOD BUDDIES!!!!!!

THREE's for now!




 
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by KD7YHR on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I am a recent newbie to amateur radio, age 32. My interests stems from back when I was a teen, but put off getting licensed. I am primarily interested in CW and QRP. Professionally, I write software, but want a hobby that is technically interesting and simple enough where I can build my own rigs. I believe there are many others like myself, but don't know how to get started or think that radio is a thing of the past. The obvious need is to continue teaching others and inspiring kids/teens. High technology is not to be blamed, but rather used to enhance and expand the amateur radio community.

A community will exist as long as it is believed there are others that share that community's beliefs and core values.

Brian
 
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by KY5Q on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
As a long time amateur radio op, I have some perspective on this. I was licensed as a teenager in 1967 and have gone through several "interest cycles" where I have changed focus and operating preferences. I am just coming off of a "low" in the cycle, and have gotten involved and enthusiastic again. Here are some thoughts:

To survive, ham radio needs to continually re-invent itself. I think that the hobby has done that (to some extent), but many of the participants throughout the ages have not. Those that do not tolerate new ideas become the new "doom and gloom" mouthpieces. I have witnessed many generations of these prophets, harping on all the scurges that they felt were killing ham radio, including SSB displacing AM, Incentive Licensing, renewable Novice licenses, FM and repeaters bringing in a new underclass of hams, frequency coordination allowing big brother to dictate how and where you put a repeater, no-code Techs who get a free ride, digital modes that bring in undesireable computer people, etc etc. Of course, none of these "scurges" brought on the downfall of amateur radio. Things just became "different", and sometimes "different" can be better. What we are seeing now is not new, it is the same old problem with a different face.

When I was a kid, I learned to love CW. This was a mode where you could be "ageless". Nobody had to know that you were 13 years old. You could carry on a ragchew with a 50 year old, on more or less equal footing. If you wanted to work DX, you could compete with the big boys that had a KW and monster antenna, because technique could make up for a lack of power and might. One undesireable effect of de-emphasing CW in the new ham-order is that we have diminished one very good way to absorb young people into the hobby. But sticking with my evolution theory above, maybe the digital modes can be 1 good way to interest young people in the hobby.

Amateur radio operators have to learn how to market the hobby with passion in order to get new blood and grow. The people that will be our target audience will have different likes and dislikes than we do. We have to somehow figure out a way to integrate new folks into the hobby, without percieving their interests as a threat to our own. We have to learn to be communicators, and reach people on a personal level. That means talking to visitors at a club meetng & not griping about endless meaningless details while discussing "old business", carrying on a 10 minute QSO instead of a 30 second signal report exchange, finding something in common with that new 13 year old ham in town, and answering the call of a perfect stranger that may be driving through town while on your repeater. Being an active ham radio operator should be more than just wearing the funny hat with the callsign on the front. Get involved. Expand your own horizons. Stop harping on the negative, and make something positive.

Ham radio is not dead. There are a lot of new and cool things to do in the hobby, and I for one aim to give some of them a whirl. While I will be playing with PSK31 and satellites, you will still find me on the low end of 20 meters banging out CW. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

73, Bill KY5Q
 
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by KY5Q on June 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Brian, well said.

73 Bill
 
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by KK6NJ on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

I dont feel that ham radio will end unless of
course according to bibilical scripture does say
in the book of revelations that during the anti
christ world wide goverement also known as the
allumanaddi,there will be goverement intervention to
our freedom of speech,religion especially,so we
could lose our priviledge of ham radio,operating
or at least no freedom of practice of religion
on ham radio along with freedom of speech so you
technical die hards may get your way!!! there!!
techo discussions only!!!! or get shot!!!!
hitler removed ham radio,along with the press and burned all the books before his rein!! everything
was controlled my the hitlers regime,or the state!!

Ham radio may still survive but there will be
amendments to amateur radio rules and regs i will
not say,for sure it will be called fcc part 97,it
may be anti christ radio service dept etc.

it may be called part,666 etc,

or 666 radio service rules:

A.no politics.
B.no religion
C.no opinions or dissent against the world
wide goverement.
D.techno radio discussions only:
E.two minute timer on all repeaters:
F.no bush bashing:
G.no complaining about your employer:
H.no discussion of current events from underground
newspapers,or the state,newspaper:
I.it is mandatory that you kiss your coordinating
repeater bodys feet,which will be the anti christ
himself.

So this is the worse scenario so until then
ham radio will survive the 1995 world wide internet
chat lines,cell phone,an other trendy comunnicating
methods,ham radio survived the cb craze of the
mid seventies,cell phone and all other compeititors,
with ham radio will peak and die out like all
other introduced marketing trends and products,
they will fade out but ham radio will survive
because it does not soley rely on commercial
public,interest another words it is non commercial
and it is an hobby.

So when we lose our constitutional rights
it may be the end of ham radio as we know it
now although remember ham radio does exist in
communistic countries but you rarely or never
hear them discuss politics,religion,or bash there
state operated goverement,even with the current
capitalistic soviet union these rules have not
changed for the russian ham.Iam confident that
ham radio will survive there just may be changes
as history as proven there allways amending part
97,lets hope we dont lose our constitutional
rights too soon although the bible says we are!!
 
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by KSGANT on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"I hope you find one. "OR" that you find an interest in ham radio. Actually I prefer the later, as those with an interest in ham radio actually do something for the hobby/service, rather than just using it as a utility. If you like ham radio because it IS ham radio, that's great. If you like it because it's a free cell phone, I prefer you stick to Nextel."

Thanks for the reply and no, not looking just because it's a free cell phone. I listed that as ONE reason my wife and I are looking at ham. As it stands now, I have every intention of continuing with my education and upgrading my license to general and then to extra for the challenge and the fun. I look forward to meeting new people. To learning code. To building equipment.

Just because we can also use it to call for help if we're stuck in the snow out in the middle of nowhere is a perk.
 
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by K8MHZ on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Why aren't kids flocking to ham radio?

My kid loves playing video games, watches way too much TV, listens to the new teenie stars latest CDs, plays the flute like there is no tomorrow and spends a great deal of time with 'Grandma' and 'Nana'. One would not expect much interest in ham radio from an 11 year old girl with pretty much average kid interests.

So you all would have been pretty amazed to see her contesting in the 20 meter CW shack. She is a tech plus, wants to be a General and loves CW. The FD contest really got her hooked.

If the kids aren't interested in ham radio is it their fault? Of course not, so who does that leave?

If people here would spend a fraction of the time they spend posting on the Internet showing kids just how cool ham radio really is, we would never have to worry about our future.

Ham radio is very cool! If we aren't showing the coolest parts of ham radio to the kids, we are really doing them a disservice.

We had kids, both ham and non ham, at our FD event. All of them, some as young as age 7 I believe, talked on the radio. There would have been a couple more, but Samuel and Matthew, twins aged 13, had to go to a camp they had been planning on for some time. Matthew is a General.

I approched our club with an idea to start a Kid's Auxilliary. The idea was met with favor and it may come to fruition. The first goal of the Kid's Auxillary will probably be to recruit more kids.

And...if anyone thinks that CW is too hard, it just takes time and the right teaching method. My 11 year old is teaching her cockatiel Morse Code. After only two months, he has the 'C' down pretty good. Fortunately cockatiels live a long time so he has a pretty good shot at the entire alphabet.

(I just HAD to throw that in there)

73,

Mark K8MHZ
 
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by N4LQ on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Perhaps the solution is to reactivate all of these dead hams. Get them back on the air. Has anyone contacted any dead hams lately? What frequency do they hang out on? I would think they prefer CW.
 
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by W9OY on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
yea those dead guys like real CW, as in a brick on the key, not this intermittant stuff.

W9OY
 
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by KF4VGX on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Dead Dudes ??? Yall pickin on Philllllllllllip again?
 
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by K0PD on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Well the way i see it is simple" just like the doom and gloom preacher's who by the way most live quite well so it must be a popular belief, So ham radio must have it's doom and gloom bunch and it is a subject that seem's to be quite popular. Whether Ham Radio is alive and well in the future or not to those who have gone on to there reward the end of ham has happened.
 
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by KB3KAQ on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KD7YHR wrote:

"I am a recent newbie to amateur radio, age 32. My interests stems from back when I was a teen, but put off getting licensed...I believe there are many others like myself, but don't know how to get started or think that radio is a thing of the past."

i am 32, have been licensed for about 2 years, and am having a ton of fun in ham radio. i am currently an IT professional and previously worked in the model train and electronics industries. i knew about ham radio, but was clueless about becoming licensed. Morse Code was not holding me back from entering the hobby, rather, a lack of information and interest. i started a new job and noticed a ham plate on a co-worker's car. after some questions i found out about Field Day, a few weeks later i had my ticket.

there are others out there who are looking for a technically interesting hobby, we just need to figure out how to attract them. a local ham saw an ad in the newspaper for ham radio classes - now he and his son are Extra Class operators. he told me it sounded like it would be fun.

-Steve
 
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by KC0SHZ on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The hostility towards people who are only technician class license holders on this site and others has contributed to turning me off to furthering my involvement in the hobby.

I just can't rationalize the 1500 bucks it would cost for a good HF rig, accessory equipment, and antenna just to talk to folks like some of the people who post here.

I will keep my "2 meter walkie talkie" and keep doing the Skywarn, the MS bike rides, the ARES, the MMRS, and the other things that make you people look good, even when you are sitting in your "shack", er basement whining about people like me.

Stick it.
 
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by K0IZ on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Don - your article serves a good purpose: a reminder that we enjoy the use of a scarce resource (bands)and that we must be prepared to do what it takes to defend this resource (BPL, etc). One way is to write your senator/congressman about the bill that has been introduced several times re protection of amateur radio spectrum. Posting to sites like this is interesting, but more like squables among brothers/sisters. Outsiders don't care. Political clout matters. If you don't support the ARRL's efforts, then do something on your own. Don't just bitch.

John.
 
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by W1XZ on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
2017?...Lets see. Oh yeah, that is the year the next in the line of Night of the Living Dead sequels is set to hit the market. "Day of the Living Ham" is the tentative title. The trailer is scheduled to go something like: Loud hissing background noise permeates the viewers ears. The scene is a large empty lot in the desirable Los Angles area. Bent metal towers lay twisted on the ground. Wires that look like giant fan skeletons cover the earth. Still the hissing continues. Two young lovers come into view curious about what this place is (was). Slowly at first but with increasing rapidity hands spring from the groung. The hands are holding morse code keys. Then the rest of the decomposed bodies appear. They are after the young couple! Hundreds of them . Next young man reaches to his ear to engage his earbud cel...NO COVERAGE!!!! The frantic couple is helpless. Just then another younger fellow appears on screen. He is wearing an official ham radio operator badge and carries 12 small handie talkies. The dead swear and spit but start returning to their graves...the day is saved. The trailer fades away as the hissing becomes louder. The screen grows dark. Then as the hissing gets louder a faint glow of orange appears at center screen. The glow getts brighter as the hissing trails off to be replaced with beeps...it is morse code. Only the annointed knows that it says..."Coming to a theater near you in the summer of 2017."
 
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by THEFOG on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Ya know it’s sad to see how ham radio is just full of Just a bunch of hypocrites. All these old timers yelling about tradition and keeping things the way they were. And then you tune to 80metere at night and hear profanity that if used on a 2meter repeater would result in well deserved whooping. It seems HF has FAR more lids than VHF/UHF.

One part of the story that isn't being told over here is what is happening to the amateur service in those countries that have removed the code for their HF license. Well after speaking to a few operators in country that removed the code for HF they claim there had been a renewed interest in the amateur service and they are getting allot more people interested and current people are upgrading.

But even with all these there will be some old timer whining about giving something away and how hams are aplianc operators ETC. Well I look around at most old timers and they pop the top on the new SMT rigs and get faint of heart. Its not that hams are getting dumber it’s the radios are getting to where you need $1,000's of gear to work on them. But those old timers won't admit that, they just want to call the no codes idiots. I guess if some reason that no on can explaine learn the code makes you a master ham operator and master of electrical thoery


 
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by KD5TLC on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
You forgot the last line in the story... " The last transmission heard over the now defunct Ham Bands was 'Dit Dit'
 
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by WA6BFH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
W1XZ, is that Ham that shows up wearing a bright orange vest, with reflective tape?

Or, on reflection, is his appearance more like the gaunt and careful thinking manifestation of a man who looks like Edwin Armstrong, Philo Farnsworth, or Grote Reber? Maybe even the gaunt and thoughtful poise of Hank Reardon or John Galt?
 
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by WA7H on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KC0SHZ, please don’t think that all hams are negative and anti-technician class because of what you read on the Internet. Because:
1. a large percentage of the ham population are Technicians Class hams
2. You probably won’t run into a large number of the negative Internet posters on the ham bands because they’re too busy posting their negative comments on the Internet.
3. everybody has an opinion, just like an @$$ hole, so who cares what they think
Ham radio is a great hobby and avocation with many facets that can keep you exploring, experimenting and interested for years. The great thing about it is every radio has an ON/OFF switch and many still have a VFO or its equivalent, if you don’t like what you’re hearing you can change the frequency or turn off the radio. When I finally settled down and became financially able to have some discretionary funds I got my ham license (27 years a go) and bought a ham station from a Novice Class ham who was getting out of ham radio because as he said: “the old timers don’t like Novice Class hams and won’t help me upgrade.” I found that statement to be false for a few reasons: 1. I didn’t expect a lot of help, I’m self motivated, 2. I always keep my mouth shut and listen and learn when confronted with people and subjects I know nothing or little about, 3. all the hams I met at the local club meeting (before and after I got my Novice ticket) were very friendly, but like most humans, they had to get to know me a little before they would open up. Once they knew my level of interest and that I was willing to work hard to attain my ham license, regardless of class, they were more than willing to help, even if it was just encouragement. So I suppose it boils down to expectations, motivation, learning and human relations. Don’t let the “negatives” get to you, they’re everywhere in life not just ham radio (there is a whole industry built on doom and gloom these days), there are a lot of positive comments posted with this article too, re-read just those, because they make the most sense.

Additionally, having been young once and having had an interest in ham radio as a child I think the reasons for the low number of young people joining ham radio are similar to the 1940s, 50, 60, etc.
A. don’t know how to become a ham (my problem when I was young)
B. don’t know what ham radio is, never heard of it or think it’s CB
C. think you have to be an electronics genius or at least an engineer (my problem when I was young)
D. think it takes a lot of money (my problem when I was young)
E. don’t have room for antennas, they’re not allowed or mom and dad don’t want unsightly antennas hanging off the house attracting lightning strikes or annoying neighbors
F. think only Geeks play with radios, it ain’t cool man!
G. Hormones! Wine, women and song! (my biggest problem as a teenager and adult; at least wine and women, the hell with the song)
H. Etc. (anything else you can think of that has kept young people from finding and enjoying ham radio throughout the years)
The world may have changed, but I don’t think young people have changed; they are still faced with the same basic problems they’ve always had.
73,
Steve, W7JSC
 
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by NL7W on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Ladies and Gents,

Ham Radio is changing. HF radio today seldom appeals to younger folks, as well as some older ones, too. In comparison to information technology (IT), it has become passe. In fact, I would venture to say any interest in radio electronics technology has been supplanted by IT.

Within the last 10 to 15 years, this behemoth of a technology (IT) has gobbled up the interests of our youth. It has assimilated the older "information bearing" technologies such as RF and telecommunications. These older technologies have now become tools to transport the various layers of IT.

That being said, how do we get young adults interested in a career in supporting and advancing these older, ancillary technologies - to include ham radio? Perhaps it'll just happen through the cyclic nature of things. I suspect RF and fiber optic transport communications will supplant copper based technologies in the future. Clearly, Internet Protocol (IP) via RF and fiber transport is important to our Nation's future. Young people, to include our colleges and universities, have and/or will recognize this. Look for a modest swing back towards educating young people about communications electronics (C-E) -- especially now that our experienced C-E baby-boomers are nearing retirement. 73.
 
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by WA6BFH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Yea, Internet connections by Cat5 and Fiber-optics. That’s why no one is buying or using cell phones or WiFi, because they would rather be tied to land-lines!

Maybe though you have a point! Maybe because of all these “DC” oriented “IT” folks -- that is why after 25 years of production and development of cell phone infrastructure, it is nearly impossible to make and complete a cell telephone conversation!

Can you hear me now?
 
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by GHOSTRIDERHF on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
WA6BFH aka Ghostbuster

"Can you hear me now?"

Unfortunately for all of us, 200 times a day -- the answer is YES!!!





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by W0PEA on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you George for your input on the numbers.

It verifies my observations.

Don
 
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by N6PEH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
This is an older person's hobby for sure. The reasons being are many. Take your pick of any number of reasons why ham radio just doesn't fascinate children these days. It is pale in comparison to the flood of technology that we are immersed in everyday, satellite TV, computers/games, cell phones, GPS, etc...etc. Also, the fact that there are so many old people in this hobby, does deter the younger folks from it.

BUT, I do not believe the hobby is dying at all. Quite the contrary! It is growing with more older people everyday. There will never be a shortage of older folks to populate our ranks, rest assured! This hobby has just begun!

Old geezer and proud of it!
N6PEH

p.s. Anyone over the age of 40 is an Old Geezer.
 
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by NL7W on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
BFH:

Are you living in another world? Cell phones, like general ham radio communications, doesn't offer 5 nines comms uptime. But, cellular technology does offer wonderful, untethered telecommunications for roughly half the population in the U.S.A., as well as many other industrialized nations. A terrific amount of business gets done with cell phones and other wireless devices.

As a prior network engineer and consultant for the wire-line and wireless industry, I understand the RF and landline network capabilities and limitations with these high-tech devices. It's quite apparent that you do not.

BTW, did I work you on 20 or 40 CW this past Field Day weekend, or not? I operated KL7AA.

Ahh... 40M CW on Field Day weekend -- that's Ham Radio at its finest.

73.

 
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by GHOSTBUSTER on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The BIG difference is that WA6BFH is a ham with a callsign, so he belongs on a ham forum. Girlyboys who hide behind CB handles don't.
If you all knew who goatpoophf was, you would understand that he has many reasons to stay anonymous.

Who ya gonna call?

GHOSTBUSTER!
 
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by GHOSTRIDERHF on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
N7LW --

WA6BFH actually doesn't own a radio yet -- and even if he did he wouldn't have time for both ham and monitoring and posting his incoherent ramblings on this forum 24/7....

but one day WA6BFH hopes to move out of his mom's cellar, get his GED, and save up enough aluminum cans to get a 10 meter radio to go along with the CB his dad gave him for Christmas 1976!!!





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by GHOSTRIDERHF on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
GhostBuster/WA6BFH

Dude -- are you slipping? I was so impressed with your comebacks over the last month -- hell -- I was even impressed that you would sink to my level and choose the name GHOSTBUSTER since you were too much of a girly-man to use your true sign WA6BFH ..

but in the last 2 weeks you have ran out of steam -- you have been rambling on and on and on and on --

did the doctor change your meds??? Did your mom throw away your "special" mags -- whats up??

Wheres the old GhostBuster/WA6BFH that didnt have to result in gay bashing to be witty ..

or are you just upset that I know who you are and you will never know who I am???

miss you man..

Whose you daddy!!!!




..

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by WA6BFH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
NL7W, I was being facetious in my commentary!

I was mistaken though, cell phones have been around for more like 30 years, and their usability (as far as infrastructure goes) sucks as badly as the 800 MHz cell phones of the mid-seventies did. That is, before there had been enough time to install an appropriate number of nodes (cell sites)!

On Field day I was working 6 Meters, and I talked to a large number of Ham’s all over “7 land”, as well as “0 land” and quite a few in Canada mostly VE-7’s and 6’s! Ham radio at its best is on the VHF spectrum and above. We know how signal propagation works on HF!
 
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by KG6WLS on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
We're waiting, John! GoatbusterHF is in the lead!
 
RE: April 1, 2017 Erase the Debt Record  
by W6TH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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Actually your ham license protects you and gives you the right to operate according to the FCC rules and regulatons. No license, you go to jail, so don't operate without a license.

Have you been reading of the fellow who had been giving a manicure (A cosmetic treatment of the fingernails, including shaping and polishing), to a young lady and did not have a permit issued by his State to do so? He was performing a manicure and was handcuffed and taken to jail, he pleaded guilty to this crime.

Another was when a man bought a plane ticket and as he was going through the gates was asked for a "ID" and to remove his shoes which the man refused and he also had the paper of the "Declaration of Indepedence" and that he was not allowed to pass the gates. He was arrested, handcuffed and thrown in jail and fined the amount of $200.00 for refusing to show any identification.

Did you know that a famous general of the Japanese military was asked the question:

Why did you attack the Islands of Hawaii and not by United States and invade?

The generals reply was; with 14 million Americans, armed and having weapons, it would be a losing invasion.

Oh, so much more going on and all we do is complain of the slight problems of ham radio.

To save our country, These "United States of America", it would best be to save our "Constitution" and our "Bill of Rights".

Looks as though the anti Christ will be our own Governments, the same as the Roman Government, that hung a man on a wooden cross, that believed in human rights and against the tax laws.

Live and learn and stay free.

W6TH
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by G0GQK on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
It may be dying in the USA but it aint dying anywhere else.! Can't you think of anything else that is more interesting to write about or do you take it in turns to comlain about the death of amateur radio.
Switch the rig on, and start yakking and just forget about it.
 
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by NL7W on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
BFH:

Ahh... There would tend to be a disparity between what telecom corporation heads and what Mr. Joe Average would think are appropriate coverage areas, penetration, and calling grades of service. Telecom companies (both the wire-line and wireless type) must make money. Therefore and ideally, their systems should accomodate the greatest call volume, while not incorporating excessive infrastructure that isn't used on an on-going basis. Cellular corps refuse to overbuild -- they try to continually balance network performance with their customers' "churn" rate. Or, they like to think they do. That's capitalism for ya...

73.
 
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by M0AFJ on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
G0GQK is right, you guys in the US want to look at what is happening in the UK, The RSGB is activly promoting Ham Radio in schools with the GB4FUN bus which is equipped with HF, VHF, satellite data etc, try to get a look at Rad-Com and see how many youngsters are getting their licences. We have a dynamic progressive licence system now which really works, alright I know this is the sacred cow in W land, we don't have a CW requirement, but if you listen on the bands over here there is a lot of CW activity and new ops learning the code.
What I am trying to say the Ham Radio may die in the States if you don't get out and show the kids how much fun it can be, moaning on eHam is easy!
 
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by G3RZP on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
If you go reading the old copies of the RSGB Bulletin for the late 1940's and early 1950's, it's interesting to find in those magazines that there were people complaining the amateur radio was coming to an end because not enough young people were entering the hobby.

Toute change, mais toute reste la meme......
 
RE: April 1, 2017 Erase the Debt Record  
by WA6BFH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Vito, as I said below in a much earlier post -- see below:

A very good and thought provoking article!

Speaking for myself, a Ham who sometimes lets the thorn of being a somewhat aging curmudgeon stick in my butt, it gives me some things to think about when I am looking for a QSO on the HF bands. Even on the VHF through SHF bands!

I’m also glad that there is a forum like e-Ham for such an article to be published! Screw the ARRL if they don’t want to print it! That is the problem with that organization, they are still polishing the brass (pounder’s) as the Titanic is going down!

73, and keep such good articles coming! John

Oh, don’t take the brass-pounder thing too seriously! I wasn’t thinking of you.
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Oh, and about your below comment:

<that hung a man on a wooden cross, that believed in human rights and against the tax
laws. >

Yes, he was a pretty cool dude! I don’t think he was worried about taxation though, just that it should not be the priests doing the taxing!

Of course, I don’t believe in taxes either. I believe in private enterprise as regards everything! Shoot, I wouldn’t let people walk on the sidewalk without paying (tolls not taxes). I believe that sidewalks and everything else should be privately owned!

73! Phone operators (even VHF ones) need love too!


 
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by WW0H on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Holly crap? What is "holly" crap? I didn't realize plants defecate :)

 
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by AC0AX on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I acually had a QSO about 2 weeks ago with a young lady who was 8.. yes Eight years old. It was on Psk31. and because of that QSO my 10 year old daughter wants to get her ticket. She said to me "If an eight year old can do it, so can I." So now she's studying hard to get her Tech.
 
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by NL7W on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
G3RZP:

Get a grip, OM! You not be living in the good ole U.S.A.? Our ham population is aging rapidly!!! The hobby's Old Timers are dying off in greater numbers at time marches on -- just like the few remaining WWII vets are doing.

As the avid retirees fall away, I would venture to say the U.S. hobby isn't growing, but beginning a slow decline. The impending decline doesn't spell death for Ham Radio, but it will bring serious challenges for our many megahertz of bandwidth on the V/U/SHF frequencies. Spectrum protection should be of utmost importance to all of us -- because without spectrum, Ham Radio will die.



 
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by K2CSS on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
We had no less then 10 operators at our FD who were kids, ranging from 8 to 17. They had the greatest time, operating anything from 40mtr to 2mtr. When the contest started, most of the adult hams were busy getting the triband beam up. So, my daughter, who is 12, to charge of the 40mtr tent we had. 2 more of our under 18 group helped log and took turns operating. They made quite a few contacts, and conducted themselves well. While I was around to be the "control op", I did not have time to operate at the time. I had a network for logging to get running.

My point is this. Our numbers may be declining, maybe not. Maybe more hams are becoming SK's. I unfortunatly know of several in the last 2 years. But, all of us complaining about it on a website is not going to help. We need to be proactive, not reactive. Bring your kids to a Ham meeting. I have 3 that I bring to every meeting, and they enjoy it. I have one that got her ticket, and the 2 younger ones are working on it. I finally got my wife to take her test, and she is very active on 2mtr now :)

Lets come up with ways to keep our hobby going!! Bring it to the schools, bring it to the malls. One club I belong to has had demos at a local mall over the last couple of years. And when we get new hams, please, encourage them. Do you remember when you first got your ticket? Were you the expert ham you are today? Of course not. I'm sure we have all made mistakes on the radio. When I first heard of a traffic net, I thought it was "traffic", yanno, like on the roads?? Years later, I became Section Traffic Manager for ENY. But if we are not givin a chance, we can't learn.

Well, I'm done for now :) But, if anyone has suggestions on how to get kids involved, let me know. I'm always up for new ideas.

73 de K2CSS
 
RE: April 1, 2017 Ham radio Rules.  
by W6TH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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G3RZP, M0AFJ, G0GQK and to all of Great Britain.

There wll always be an England as long as there is America.

Fought and killed on British soil to save the British colony. India and such. I was not there for the American territory, but for the saving of India a Brisish colony.
( A geographic region, such as a colonial possession, that is dependent on an external government)

I seen Your general Montgomery, on his horse beating the Indian Hindu's on their heads in Bombay with a horse whip. Now that is British control.

Rule Bri�tan�nia, Bri�tan�nia rules the waves, not any longer.

WW1, WW2 now what will be the next? Another Gandi?

Italian name, yes but 50 percent British in me lads.

Cheers, W6TH.
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by N0XMZ on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
When it comes to attracting youngsters into the hobby, why is it that we continue to compare ham radio to cellular phones & the Internet? They're different technologies with different uses.

If you're promoting ham radio to youngsters as a way to "keep in touch with family & friends" then you'll lose every time. HOWEVER, if you show a youngster how fun and challenging it can be to make stateside and DX contacts with little more than a rig & wire, then you might get somewhere. Show them how to build an antenna and explain why it works. Make a contact on AO-51. Teach 'em how to solder.

Show a kid why YOU got into ham radio. If all you do is hand a 10-year-old a 2 meter HT and expect him to have fun talking to old men on repeaters, then you may as well just tell him to forget about ham radio til he's older.
 
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by NL7W on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
N0XMZ:

Right on target! Thanks for the comments!

As a teen in the late seventies and early eighties, I found ham radio full of challenges, and wanting to overcome those challenges. We must inform and inspire the industrious kids and adults of today - give them opportunity to tackle, overcome, and learn along the way. That's what ham radio is about to me - challenges through learning and doing new and different things with the communications-electronics realm. Now, if family (time) and funding permits along the way, that's a different story!

73.
 
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by WA6BFH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
NL7W, Wow, what a quick turn around (it seems to me)! Now you’re defending our UHF and SHF spectrum? Good man, I’m with ya all the way!

As to cell phone coverage, that is why I (and I suspect quite a few others) have not purchased a cell phone and subscribed to a service. I was given the option at work of carrying a pager, or being given a cell phone. I took the cell phone. The damn’ed thing does not work (coverage wise) most of the time anyway!
 
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by W6TH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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WA6BFH

Of course, I don�t believe in taxes either. I believe in private enterprise as regards everything! Shoot, I wouldn�t let people walk on the sidewalk without paying (tolls not taxes). I believe that sidewalks and everything else should be privately owned!
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You sound like a very good friend of mine that has the same thoughts. He also can prove that a country does not need a Government to control a country or state. He also talks of privately owned roads. This same ham was,not any longer and received his ticket at the age of 14 years.

As to the younger generation and not taking to ham radio; is it possible they have higher educational thoughts than most of today?

Like every post it goes off track and the opinions of most have very little to do with the original posting. This is one of them.

Live free is my thoughts as to ham radio as well and be responsible for our own doings. After all it is free and let be what is be and be grateful for what we have whether much or less than much.

73, Vito, W6TH the dot and dash scientist.
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by WA6BFH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

N0XMZ, I’m with you too!

Impress kids with what ever impresses them pursuant to our hobby.

If it is a few ‘war drivers’ show them how to make a 2.4 GHz antenna that really works. “F” the Pringles cans!

If it is younger kids -- draw them in! Ask the little kid, “hey, could you take the end of this wire, and climb that tree -- I want to make an antenna to talk to Japan”

Whatever inspires!
 
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by GHOSTRIDERHF on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
And while you are climbing the tree my little WA6BFH monkey -- the kid has been talking to Japan via Instant Messenger on the Internet ...



 
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by AH6FC on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting, might be right but I hope not! Not sure what the future will bring for Ham Radio, but sure seems to me that there were a lot of stations on the bands over the past weekend! My last field day was about 1970, but I never remember so many ops...maybe receivers are just better now!
 
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by X-WB1AUW on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Reminds me of the Y2K scare.

OR, about reading an article (in the early 90s?) about how paper companies would go bankrupt because we would soon be living in a paperless society.

How about flying cars and personal jet packs!

73
Bob
 
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by KC8VWM on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Here's My Version of The Future of Amateur Radio.
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Just like the old amateur radio "rags" of the 40's-50's and 60's, 70's demonstrated the demise of amateur radio, Once again folks - what we are in fact seeing here today is a repeat of that same discussion yet the very evolution of Amateur Radio continues to move forward to the very next plane!

--April 1, 2017.--

The idea of using a microphone or J38 key to communicate was phased out and replaced with newer and more advanced communication technologies that we have never thought possible or even knew existed before!

H.F. linear amplifiers, Icom IC7800's, cell phones and all communication space satellites will become obsolete boat-anchor relics from the past. They will however be collected as rare antiques and displayed in a special radio museum built by IACA. Pronounced "Ika" (Interplanetary Amateur Communicators Association.)

Editors Note-: The word "amateur radio" will have been replaced with the word "amateur communicator" when revolutionary communication technologies were later discovered by (name and callsign not revealed to prevent altering the future) in 2010.

In 2017, we will have replaced our Yagi antennas with highly polished mirrored optical light beam reflecting dish like antennas. We will have in fact harnessed the very ability to communicate great distances by reflecting highly controlled light energy waves in the form of short pulses toward the moon, sky and even into the deep fringes of space.

The atom translator that is incorporated into this light beam transceiver was discovered in 2010 and similarly resembles the same glass tube design known as the "coherer" that Marconi used for his spark gap transmitter device many years before.

A ham in the year 2010 revisited the coherer of years past as part of a nostalgic experiment. The ham was experimenting but using newer more advanced technologies and accidentally stumbled on a new form of communication. Thus the light-wave translator was born!

At first, this new light beam transceiver would only be capable of beaming out highly concentrated sun powered energy waves using a mirrored dish light reflector. The transceiver would manipulate and scramble the light stream's behavior, amplitude and reflection pattern of the light energy into a simple but decipherable pattern. That pattern is then deciphered on the recieving end using the light-wave translator technology.

The light-wave translator later evolved in 2017 and became capable of manipulating atom clusters traveling inside the light stream.

In 2017, we mastered this technological advancement and discovered that we can use these atoms traveling inside the light stream and harnessed a more powerful transceiver using the powerful energy that is beamed to the earth from the sun.

These atom communication alterations in the beam of light is achieved through a series of complex mathematical patterns that are constantly resonating inside each atom while the atoms are traveling in clusters along the light energy path.

These mathematical patterns inside the atoms are deciphered on the receiving end using a later, but more advanced, light-wave translator technology.

These more advanced altered atom clusters later become the very communication vehicle allowing us to send many terabytes of communication data that are projected into highly compressed digital data "packlets" of information. ("packlets" are much smaller than packets.) The mathematical data is projected into the atom clusters using a newly developed resonance wave generator.

This newer transceiver of the future will be capable of beaming out many highly concentrated gigawatt's of sun powered energy waves with an adjustable focal point for projecting light communication energy greater distances into the deep fringes of space along the light energy stream.

These modified communication atom clusters travelling inside the light stream are found to be capable of transmission at an accelerated rate of speed up to three times the normal speed of light.

These transceivers of the future will not no longer be rated in terms of RF power output capabilities as we know it today, but rather will be measured by maximized data compression and light speed capability with each transmission pattern sent along the light energy path.

Folks.. you better hang on!!

It's only the beginning of Amateur Radio and you ain't seen nothing yet!

73 Charles - KC8VWM

(Was that a nice trip?)
 
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by KA1EEC on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
not all of the hams opting out of amateur radio are leaving because of death. I have stopped operating on 2 m because there is nobody to talk to if you aren't operating during rush hour. I've stopped operating on HF because it's rare to find anyone who is a good conversationalist. Just making contacts for the sake of contacts really isn't terribly interesting. contesting is only interesting if your hands work well enough that you can talk and operate the keyboard at the same time.

I've built my own gear, operated digital modes and slow scan TV but after a certain point that isn't enough. if I was going to offer any suggestion on how to make amateur radio more appealing, I would suggest folks build their conversational skills. Please talk about something other than the weather, your radio, antenna, and how long you've been operating amateur radio. talk about your non-amateur radio hobbies. Trips you have gone on. Tell evocative stories, stories you want to listen to.

The last thing I want to hear is: RIG HR IS ICOM746 ANT LDR LINE DIPLOE WX SUNNY because I wrote a program to generate Morse code tests like that in the 80s and some hams could not tell the difference from a real QSO.

I want to know I'm speaking with a real human. I want to be entertained and I want to be entertaining. Sharing experiences builds on the bond forged by our shared hobby of amateur radio.

it is not technology that will make our hobby more appealing. It's our ability to establish human connection across thousands of miles. To speak to someone in the Philippines with no more energy than that of a light bulb and an antenna that is as simple as a piece of wire strung in the tree is amazing. Add on top of that a person talking about their life, their experiences in a land far away and you have real magic forged from a shared human moment.
 
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by WA6BFH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Charles, sorry to say dude, you better work on that a bit! Good Science Fiction draws real world {understood} concepts and understanding of physics into the realm of what MIGHT (and could) be developed.

Read all of Arthur C. Clarke’s early works, -- not the ones co-authored by that fool.

Keep it up though, ya did good!

73! de John

 
RE: 'Ham Radio' BEGINS April 1, 2017 !!!  
by WA6BFH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Charles, sorry to say dude, you better work on that a bit! Good Science Fiction draws real world {understood} concepts and understanding of physics into the realm of what MIGHT (and could) be developed.

Read all of Arthur C. Clarke’s early works, -- not the ones co-authored by that fool.

Keep it up though, ya did good!

73! de John

 
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by WZ9Y on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Why are we worried about 15 and 10 meters? Of course there is nothing on on them right now, we are at a low point of the sunspot cycle. Heck no one is usually ever on 6 meters but when the conditions kick in there are stations all over the place and QRM to boot (I worked my first 6 meter contact just last week and the band was very crowded.) Also just recently you couldn't find anywhere to call CQ on 20 due to a band opening (nothing but Europe all over the band!)

When the cycle is back on an upside whether the hobby is dieing or not the HF bands will again be over crowded.

Also I didn't get involved in ham radio for a phone patch or packet radio but because I was interested in electronics and radio in general. My son is 10 and thinks my ham gear is cool and wants to get his license. My other son enjoys building things on a Radio Shack 200 in one kit. That's about where I was at when I was at that age also. Got started in electronics with a Radio Shack 150 in one kit, later saw a old halicrafters Shortwave my brother-in law had and was fasinated ever since. Eventually got my Elect. Engineering degree as a result of my early interest and obtained my Ham ticket while in College. Now I have moved into the Information Technology area. I love computers but it sure doesn't replace my love for Radio. For some perhaps it does but not for all.

Is the hobby dieing? Well if it dies then I guess it dies (not the end of the world) but no sense worrying about it over sunspot cycles that always have been. If it dies then I guess no answers my CQ. Why we all argue over this is beyond me. Telling everyone the hobby is dieing sure isn't going to magically fix it. All I know is I've worked more DX than ever before in the last month and there is no reason for me getting rid of my gear for now.
 
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by KE7EDW on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I am 29 years old and just got my Technicians License and am studying for my General... I spit in the eye of the so called average age... however, my hair is turning gray as we speak...
:)

 
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by N0AH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Astroid? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm........
 
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by WA6BFH on June 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

WZ9Y, so tell me about the different communication modes that you used?
 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by W6TH on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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Ham radio is now dormant (Lying asleep or as if asleep; inactive.

Wait until the band conditions come back as in the year of 1990 and the pile-ups will be enormous (Very great in size) and will be "disgustingly" terrific.

I am waiting for another post as this to keep from boredom, but life goes on and on and on. (Sigh).

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by PA5COR on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Hi,

Reading through the posts here i noticed just an few things.

Young people don't want to get into hamradio anymore.
False, here i trained 2 candidates for first novice, then Full license class.

When are we going to realise that sitting on the fence is not working?
I actively look around for people interested in radio, and offer to help learning for the exams, taking up my spare time to help them out.
Since the majority of people now are older, more hams will pass away as the new hams can fill in the open places.

Get active, look around and spot people interested in radio and actively help out.
Beeing licensed from 1977 i now helped 6 hams on the air, the next 2 candidates are due next winter...

Code or no code is not the point here, getting them into hamradio is the first thing to do, then you can progress them to code if they want to.

73,

Cor
PA5COR
 
RE: Old Geezers  
by WA3KYY on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"N6PEH

p.s. Anyone over the age of 40 is an Old Geezer."

Hey! I resemble that remark. I must be a Really Old Geezer then. A few weeks back I got a letter from the ARRL congratulating me on 40 years as a ham. But wait, I'm only 53. According to T.O.M. that make me a Young Squirt!

73,
Mike WA3KYY
 
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by WA3KYY on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"N6PEH

p.s. Anyone over the age of 40 is an Old Geezer."

Hey! I resemble that remark. I must be a Really Old Geezer then. A few weeks back I got a letter from the ARRL congratulating me on 40 years as a ham. But wait, I'm only 53. According to T.O.M. that make me a Young Squirt!

73,
Mike WA3KYY
 
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by WZ9Y on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
CW, SSB, Packet, RTTY, AMtor, FM, etc. I sold my Kantronics Kam long ago so haven't worked the digital modes for some time.
 
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by W6TH on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
.

p.s. Anyone over the age of 40 is an Old Geezer."

I am 82 and will be 83 this coming August and I feel as a young squirt. Look around California and other parts of the ham world and you will see those in the 94 class and very active on the ham bands. Old people get old? Not really when they are young at heart.

Age before beauty.
.:
 
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WZ9Y, so tell me about the different communication modes that you used?

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CW, SSB, Packet, RTTY, AMtor, FM, etc. I sold my Kantronics Kam long ago so haven't worked the digital modes for some time however. You can find me a lot lately on 20 meters. I just put up a Quad and have been trying to get it a work out. I still enjoy CW and work that quite a bit. I also frequent the late net on 3985 starting at 11pm EST.
 
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WZ9Y, so tell me about the different communication modes that you used?

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CW, SSB, Packet, RTTY, AMtor, FM, etc. I sold my Kantronics Kam long ago so haven't worked the digital modes for some time however. You can find me a lot lately on 20 meters. I just put up a Quad and have been trying to get it a work out. I still enjoy CW and work that quite a bit. I also frequent the late net on 3985 starting at 11pm EST.

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Sorry about the above reply. After I thought a second I realize I think you are asking modes as in Satellite vs. HF vs. EME or the like. I have to admin I don't believe I have your experience in the VHF/UHF realm. It is something I would like to do however. I was attending Weber State University when Oscar 18 (Weber Sat) was launched. I worked in Cast there downloading telemetry, etc. as part of the CAST program at the College. It was while attending Weber I actually ended up getting my Ham ticket. In fact one of our class projects was designing the Motorola boards to be used in upcoming Micro stats which never seemed to see the light of day.

Since then the best I can say I've done with Satellite is work the Space Station when voice was running on it. I was planning on getting involved recently but have heard the good satellites on not functioning. I also heard there is another great communication satellite in the works so we'll see. Figure you will know more about that. Other than that it's been the HF bands, 2m/440 repeaters and some 2m sideband (little) I have one of the local repeaters at my house with the antenna located on my tower so monitor the local 146.685 repeater quite a bit. But as I said earlier mostly you'll find me on the HF bands for now.

Again I apologize for the goofy reply but I wasn't sure what you were asking exactly. I'm hoping I answered what you were looking for.
 
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by N3CRT on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I can not find a place to talk on 75 meters at night becuase its full of old guys talking about their geriatric problems and treatments, how do you expect this to be of any interest to someone 27 years old like me??

I encourage young people to get into amateur sattelites.
 
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by N8IK on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
There are still youngsters who want to get involved and have fun in ham radio. Two of the new Extras at W4HFH were on the GOTA station this weekend. KG4SGP (14 or 15) and KI4HMI (a 30-something) were left unsupervised by the old goats and the next thing I know they're doing SSTV on 20m. Neither had done any SSTV before but they figured it out on their own and had a blast! Find these kinds of folks and encourage them.
 
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by K1CJS on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"Do a search on the internet on * Clubs *

Then look at the pictures taken. The over all color of hair is gray."

And you think this is the exclusive barometer of whether or not ham radio is dying? I used to belong to two or three clubs, and the attitudes of some of the members in them drove me away--especially one club where ONE MAN actually runs everything--the board of directors are just his puppets, he calls the shots ON EVERYTHING.

Smart young hams go to these clubs and see the trend of the things going on there. More often than not they DO NOT JOIN! The proper conclusion here is the idea of the ham radio club is dying--not ham radio--the members of these clubs are older hams, and as these older hams die off there aren't any younger ones to replace them.

The only ham radio club that I know about that isn't dying is one that put up a tower and has lease money coming in from that tower from cell phone providers and other two way radio users that have leased space on it. Their rolls are growing because everybody who is voted in is automatically a life member, nobody pays dues because of the tower lease income, and the only ways members get off the rolls is either by death or if they ask to be removed.

Ham radio is not dying--there are more hams now than ever before as someone pointed out, even though some of them aren't active, and there is no way to actually find out how many aren't.

Clubs are dying out, ham radio is not.


 
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by K1CJS on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Mark, K8MHZ said,

"My kid loves playing video games, watches way too much TV, listens to the new teenie stars latest CDs, plays the flute like there is no tomorrow and spends a great deal of time with 'Grandma' and 'Nana'. One would not expect much interest in ham radio from an 11 year old girl with pretty much average kid interests.

So you all would have been pretty amazed to see her contesting in the 20 meter CW shack. She is a tech plus, wants to be a General and loves CW. The FD contest really got her hooked."

You bring up a valid point, Mark. On the other hand, there are kids who don't want to get involved--they rather stay on the computer and the internet and play their games.

My thirteen year old son sees me on the radios and says he is interested, but he won't show the interest or take the time to get his license. On the other hand, my seven year old daughter is on her way to her license already.

It depends on the kid, Mark. Some show interest and get hooked, but some don't.

 
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by K0RGR on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Ham Radio is not going away, though many of us are.

There are always new things to explore. Hey, 10 and 15 meters are NOT dead. Yes, I know it's the bottom of the sunspot cycle, but the other night, I tuned through 10 meters and found this incredible roundtable with people from all over the country going at about 9:30 my time. Apparently it had been going all night. It was all ESkip. Amazing! 15 has been doing that at night, too.

I and some others, including at least one genuine 'kid' are exploring ham 802.11 networks this summer. I'm really looking forward to it.

But the traditional stuff is still there, too.

Two meter FM is a great tool, but not a great hobby. That's why I seriously hope FCC gives our newcomers something else to do soon, that they can do in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night, without having to join a club.

We need to stop dwelling on what's wrong and start focusing on what's right. Otherwise the "crabs" in our ranks will grab onto us, and drag us down to the bottom with them.

By the way, you're really tarring the ARRL unfairly.
While they opposed the nocode license in the past, they have certainly changed their position in more recent times. Now, they are catching even more grief for their support of a no-code HF license.

 
AGING? Who isn't and why?  
by K4III on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I hear everyone stating that the average ham population or a majority of the population is aging! If there is anyone who isn't aging, is it the RF that is keeping them young? If so, we could use this to validate our scientific genius to at least keep our bands if not recruit?

Just to think hundreds of years ago and even more recently, many died to seek the "elixer of life."

... And to think it can be found in our hobby!

Hehe...
 
RE: AGING? Who isn't and why?  
by N8CPA on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
And if you look at golf courses in a northern latitude winter, you'd think the game of golf is on its last legs. Same thing with amusement parks, summer camps, and swimming clubs. HF hams in the north are enjoying those other actvities, or working by day. Some are running summer related errands. Listen to those same bands, starting in 3-4 months from now. And consider the seasonal nature of propagation on some bands.
 
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by WA6BFH on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
WZ9Y, I meant to say or ask, "what propagation modes"

I suspect what you worked certainly on 6 Meters, and also probably on 20 Meters was E-layer skip.

E-layer ionization is of course not contingent upon the sunspot cycle!
 
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by WA6BFH on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Our newcomers do not have to use FM! They get stuck on FM because of that cute little handheld radio.

A radio by the way that is a p!ss poor investment in terms of ‘bang for the buck’. What they get for their money is ‘cuteness’ not a decent transmitter or receiver! They are also stuck on one mode, a wideband and inefficient mode, when used at such power levels and lack of noise limiting!

It should be the obligation of every Ham of some few years of experience to warn these new comers about handheld radios!

Tell them to buy a multi-mode like the Tentec 6N2. Or, have them get one of the Yaesu or Icom radios like the 706. Tell them that for now (as Technicians) they will be able to use 3 bands, and several modes -- almost like having several bands. Tell them that when they upgrade, they will be able to use everything else that the radio will do.

That’s a good investment, and will hold their interest!

 
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by WQ2H on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I enjoy much of what I read on eHam.net, including this article even if only for the entertainment value and not fully buying into the theories it contains. I got my Novice ticket 25 years ago at age 16. All the hams I knew (except one) were adults but I didn't care because I got my license because of the allure of amateur radio not because of the number of kids in the hobby. And I didn't care about Marconi or Hiram Percy Maxim, or any other radio pioneer. To me, radio was was just plain cool. I tried to get some friends involved but at that age there's always something else a kid would rather do. A year later when I got my General, I was chased off of a local repeater for testing a new microphone with some ham friends (adults) by some of the local old-timers. Can't recall doing anything wrong other than using the machine when I wasn't a regular user and therefore unknown by the local group. It may have been at an hour when they had a net scheduled, but nobody politely came on to bring this to our attention. Instead, they waited until there were enough bullies to try and frighten us away. Years later I finally upgraded to Extra. I passed the code exams that no longer exist and don't really care that it's only 5 wpm now. I've helped one of my nephews get his Tech license and now he's working on General and his brother is working on Tech. In my opinion, the FCC isn't going to make or break this hobby, and neither will the ARRL or any other organization other than the ham fraternity at large. In my experience, it's the ham community that holds the key. We can either sit around and complain or we can do something to keep the hobby alive. We can chase people away, or we can welcome them in and train them in correct procedures. There will always be situations on the air, in the ham media, in the clubs, etc., that could turn me (and others, especially newcomers) away. Why focus on that? We need to focus on becomming better operators and better diplomats for this hobby to grow. We need to find out what it is that makes this hobby interesting (cool) for someone else because that is why others will join and stay active.
 
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by K2JX on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

I think I read this post back in 1970 in QST, or was it in a copy of QST for January 1948 ? Posts like this do nothing for the hobby. What's the point ?
Get on the air and have FUN, the hobby will survive.


73, Jack K2JX


 
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I think there should be some kind of a special award or special recognition for the individual that has the most replies to this thread.

Maybe someone could suggest what that would be.
 
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by NT4XT on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Well I'm no trend analysis expert.
I just can't help but wonder with statistics as they are, why we have seen the recent availability of the Yaesu 9000 series, or Icom 7800. What must they be thinking. Yaecom are optimists, and Kenwood more reserved? What's the most expensive, HF primary, Kenwood currently manufactures these days anyway? Probably a toss up between the 480 and 570SG. TS 2000 is one of those whiz-bang do it all wunder boxes that includes VHF UHF.

Perhaps Vertex is proud/profitable enough they don't mind subsidizing the developement and manufacture of the 9000 line-up?
 
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by WA6BFH on June 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!



In Japan however, Ham radio is very popular, and a large percentage of the populace is licensed.

In this country most folks don’t know what Ham radio is. If you tell a neighbor or co-worker, they are likely to reply, “oh yea, I’ve got an uncle that’s into all that CB stuff”.

This lack of popular recognition is a problem for us. We need to be more evident to the public, and not just for emergency handling preparedness.

We need them to know that Ham radio is a scientific hobby, and that we follow signal propagation in a scientific manner. That we don’t just click on the old radio and start calling CQ.

We need better “PR” such that the populace at large thinks better of us, and wants to support our activities, just as they were supportive of the kids down the block building model rockets in the time period of “Sputnik”!
 
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by K8NQC on June 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Unfortunately, There is much truth in this article. However, the threat is not external. It is the licensed amateurs who present a face of Amateur on a daily basis. So often I have seen young people introduced to the hobby at Field Day Operation show interest for a while only to have it fade when they see what is on the bands most evenings they tune their dial.

Most amateur operation used to be done with some clear purpose or goal in mind. Many hams were always experimenting or honing their skills or handling traffic, etc. Nets had a purpose, sometimes as simple as discussing a common interest, but they had a purpose. These idle chit-chat nets or "rag chew" nets seem to just meander without any purpose. They are little different from the evening chit-chat that was on local CB channels for years. Tune around and listen to them and ask yourself," If I were a youngster, would I want to spend the leisure time of my life doing that?"

If we care about the radio hobby, we best operate in ways that present a more interesting face to the hobby. In doing so we may just have a little fun ourselves. Operate with purpose!
 
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by KK6NJ on June 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!


My reply to the comment about older people iam
forty six i consider myself older but ffar as
ham radio being an old man hobby is true but
there is an place for everybody and there are
some young true blue radioactive operators,or
to be operators,unfortunately when your young
and iam not to old to remember this you have
an tendancy to go along with trendy hobbies
and have to deal with the communistic peer pressure
people apply to the young,they simply have an
tendancy of having no individuality,and will
not stand up for what they really want to do!!
for an example if an young male operator has an
girlfriend that has objection to the radio being
in the young hams car or an big antenna,the rig
will simply be left out the girls beautiful
legs are more appealing than an ham rig!!!!
the young let people tell them what to do,as
even some of us older people too but not as
much you live and learn like an old wise owl!

I have been there and thats part of being young,
i hear this comment from my ham buddies oh i
cant put that big antenna on my car people
will chop me out or cap on me,or laugh this
is bull if you like ham radio ham it up!!!!!!!!!!
put the biggest antenna on your car legally
accepted,and use your microphone you will here
sometimes thats no cell phone see what i mean
here,cell phones dont look like those little boxes
you carry or microphones you talk into is that
cb or something that went out thirty years ago!!
we have chat lines now which is cb or worse!!
of the millenium,i have listened to it it stinks!!
it actually is worse than cb ever was!!!!!

Another thing the young must realize a lot
of things the young do is the same as the older
it is just revised,and repeated with revision
like long hair,and blue dennim jeans,white jeans,
etc is allbeen done before the old marketing
slogan is which is an definition of capitalism
is either start some new trend,product,never,
introduced,till the product,dies they,all do!!
die eventually,like cb,trend of the mid seventies
and the chat lines are already,on its way down
along with computers,the cell phones have peaked
another words everyone has one!!! so whats next
you have to revise the product so the consumer
will buy an new one!!! revise something that
has already been done but change it revise it
so the consunmer will have an interest and
perfect example is the retro t-bird mustang
this new ford 2005 mustang looks like an
revised 1969 mustang it is so obvious and
it looks good too!!! just like it did in
1969,i remember!!!!!

So do what you want the hell with the comments
stand up for what you believe in like ham radio
jesus etc,what do you think jesus christ will
say to you on his secon coming when you did not
stand up for him,to the devil you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
far as the young go and the comment about old
people converstions on 75 meters well its mutual
we dont like your stinky dumb downed attitudes
either,so there!! and once said by an older ham one
day i heard on an net,your not getting any younger
and your day of moaning old will come too!!!!!!
and there will be some young punk telling you
that cell phone chit chat,and chit chat lines
is antiquated,it will be replaced and die out!!!
it is an marketing trendy capitalistic scam!!!!!
this is a fact jack!!!!!!but ham radio will
survive because ham radio is not an trend it
was orginated not as an trend,although it
had its commercial period in 1991,with the
codeless license period,ham radio will survive
it doesnt need trendy marketing schemes to
survive it is radioactive,in nature:
 
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Young people are too predictable and their
stereotyped,narrow minded,and have no mind of there
own there all clone robots,there is very little
individuality in these young people today,and
if they do these modern day drugs there is no mind,
it like night of the living dead,the body lives
off chemicals,no brains,and its not mad cow !!!
 
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by WA7NDD on June 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I went to SEAPAC this month. I paid close attention to the amount of young people there to get and idea of the age of ham radio. I found 4 teens, two that I know had licenses becasue I asked them. The rest were gray or white. It has been that way at every ham fest in the Rockies that I have been to in the last several years. There are hundreds of hams at SEAPAC. I think some were
on life support just to come.

My feeling is I am living the last of it, so I spent $1400.00 on three new ham items and won one of the grand prizes. I'll go out in style.

Jim, WA7NDD
 
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by NL7W on June 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KK6NJ:

There may actually be some hope for ham radio. My 14-year old son, David, aka KL1TN, is actually interested in radio-electronics and computer technology as a potential career path. He's a Junior ROTC young man who is starting his freshman year in high school. He'll be working on his General Class license this summer, and I am confident he will get it. I suspect he'll have the Extra Class sometime during his 15th year of age (I picked up the Novice Class at that age).

Obviously, I am proud of David, and our two parent rearing of him. I just hope we're able, with God's help, to continue his upbringing with the values that were instilled in his Iowan parents, but certainly mixed with the outgoing and independent traits we transplanted "Alaskans" are famous for here in the Great White North.

73 from sunny and warm Alaska -- where it's daylight about 20 hours right now at 62+ latitude.

NL7W
Palmer, AK
 
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"Yaecom are optimists, and Kenwood more reserved? What's the most expensive, HF primary, Kenwood currently manufactures these days anyway? Probably a toss up between the 480 and 570SG."

You're wondering where Kenwood's entry is? Well, I don't know if there is going to be one, but my guess is maybe not. The people at Kenwood are laughing all the way to the bank--they're into commercial and public service equipment in a big way. Much bigger than Icom, and yes, Yeasu (Vertex) too. As a matter of fact, I'd venture that Kenwood is, right now, giving Motorola a run for its money. Quite a few agencies and entities are turning to Kenwood for their radios.

Kenwood sets are just as rugged as Motorola and the price tag, while up there, isn't as high as the tags on the Motorola equipment.

Maybe Kenwood knows something we don't, hmmm?
 
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by K1CJS on June 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"Tune around and listen to them and ask yourself," If I were a youngster, would I want to spend the leisure time of my life doing that?" "

Most youngsters see that being done and are in awe of it. However, when they leave they forget quickly. Now consider the "cute little radio" that someone else mentioned. If they get their license and a few of their friends do likewise, they can use those radios to talk to their friends.

Sure, it certainly depends on your point of view, but in their point of view, talking to their friends is more attractive to them then talking to someone else who they haven't met--if they had access to a radio that could do that, that is.
 
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This is a most uplifting story and while fiction, it is quite fanciful. The "Chicken Soup" Series of inspirational books and its core base of editors/authors truly needs to get a glance at this (at the very least or most as it were).

Eternal optimism is oozing from this literary master-piece!

Thanks for sharing this tear-jerker with all of the Ham community. As a matter of course, I've asked that my brother begin dis-mantling my Ham equipment even before I get home. Cathartic release after reading this motivational piece well suited for even a light-hearted storytime read for pre-ligual aged children!

Take good care now and bye-bye!
 
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by WA6BFH on June 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

CJS, the problem is that the cute little Handi-talkie won't hold their interest.

As far as they know, it works pretty much like the ones they see hung up in merchandizing packaging that say "FRS" on them. Actually, they may not work as well as the FRS radios, all things considered. When the Ni-Cads, or Lithium-Ion battery dies, so will their interest.

If they work something that inspires them, like maybe talking to Canada on 6 Meters, or even somebody a couple of states away, that seems to me like a much better draw. It was for me! I got licensed at 13. By the time, a few years later when I got a car, I had it knocked. A car, and communication, and a few bucks in my wallet for burgers and coke, uh Pepsi. By that time I had pins all over in the map on my bedroom Ham Shack wall, and I started meeting other Hams I had talked to who lived at those pins. I started doing things with them (and their daughters) on the weekends!
 
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BFH states:
<I started doing things with them (and their daughters) on the weekends!>

Gasp! "Silence of the Hams"
 
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by WA6BFH on June 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I was seeking inspiration!
 
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by N6PEH on June 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The HT radio is why I decided to get my ham ticket. I suspect that is true for a lot of hams, especially these days with them being so affordable. I love my little HT and wouldn't want to part with it. It was my sole companion on a hunting trip I did a couple years back. It was very reassuring knowing I could get help if needed. It is half the size of the one I bought in 1985,and 1/3 the cost. Very nice little radio and a great toy for a beginner ham that can't afford the $700 for an all mode radio.
 
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by WA6BFH on June 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Nils, As I indicated, I was on hunting expeditions with my radio as well, I just had it bolted under the dashboard of my car!

I’m trying to inspire younger souls, the life blood of our hobby! Not old gray faced dogs like us! About 13 to 15 years of age are magic numbers! If these folks get to try some intersting things, and truly learn how Ham radio works, they will take it with them into their later teens and 20's. They will stay with Ham radio forever. Even as they introduce it to their soon enough to come families
 
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by K1CJS on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
It probably won't hold their interest--until one of their friends says "Hey, lets use our radios!" What's the guy in the other country gonna do--telephone?

Also, the moms and dads want their offspring to get out and enjoy the summer--not sit home wherever the radio is and not get out. The handheld can go with them. Can the big HF set?? No.

Sure, I agree, the packaging in the stores with FRS printed on it is just as appealing, but there are more two meter repeaters (and 70 cm for that matter) than there are FRS ones--if they're any at all. That gives the little handheld more range, not less.

As far as the batteries dying, it happens to both sets. That's why they have rechargers with most all little handheld radios--there are still many more FRS radios out there that use AAs. Once those die ya gotta replace 'em! Those radios more than likely will end up forgotten in the house while the two meter set will be recharging overnight and be ready for use the next day.

Hey, lets not argue about it--to each his or her own. 73.

 
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by K1CJS on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
N6PEH, you just restated my main point! Thanks.
 
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by N5RO on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Don,
Perhaps, instead of bemoaning the advanced age of hams, why don't you do what we are doing in central Arizona - holding Tech and upgrade classes in the middle & High schools and at the local sheriff's posse building for local citizens. We're getting a lot of kids licensed and then conducting a "practice net" to get them over mic fright, get them used to protocol, practices, etc.

It seems there are always people who want to complain about situations but are unwilling to put forth a little effort to effect change. Are you one of those people?
If you can't get involved, check your local clubs and on the local round tables and see if you can recruit others to do this - that is, if you are really interested in turning such a situation around.

73
Jim
N5RO
 
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by WA6BFH on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I’m not trying to argue, I’m using the good old technique of ‘talking points’, and I appreciate your participation in allowing a bit of counterpoint! My statements about batteries though were metaphorical!

I do think there is a good and cogent point though about how bad an “HT” is in terms of its abilities, or lack thereof, as a communications tool:

1) It carries and can only support a low power transmitter, which will often fail to saturate the limiter stage of the receiver it is talking to, even if that receiver is at a repeater. Its signal will often be below ‘squelch threshold level’ for that receiver, and unable to hold the squelch open!

2) The hand-held’s own receiver is compromised in that the I.F. stage is engineered to very poor specifications because ‘cute smallness’ is more important than having a bullet proof I.F. filter.

3) There is no Front-end filter, because the manufacturer desires to be able to sell the radio to a wide market base. If they can say that the radio will receive from DC to daylight (police, fire, marine etc) they count on the lack of knowledge of the customer not to realize that the radio will be extremely susceptible to inter-modulation within the receiver.

3) My point comparison contrasting FRS to the typical Ham “HT” was appropriate. The FRS radio, by virtue of its 400 Mc frequency use (as only a simplex radio) makes the radio appear {usage wise} to have a receiver of superlative noise limiting. The Ham “HT” on 2 Meters, worse yet on 6 Meters, will virtually always only have a ‘noisy receiver’ unless you are within about 50 yards of the transmitter it is receiving!

………………………………..............

The cute little “mobile rig” (IC-706, FT100D, FT-897, FT-857 etc.) while also not the greatest FM radio, but works pretty good in any mode especially SSB (even iCW hehe).

1) It has an adequate transmitter

2) An adequate receiver

3) Is easily set-up for the addition of transverters for other bands like 222, 902, or 1240 MHz etc

4) It can be used with even a big external amplifier {with ALC feedback} if desired

5) It can be easily used with any sort of digital modem

The new Ham can easily use this radio in his cool new car, if he is an older teen, and take it with him {or her} for all sorts of teenage adventures. When he/she gets home {if ever} they can use it as their home ‘fixed station’ and it will not ‘inter-mod’ on an outside antenna. Even if later they get a better radio, like one of the big multi-thousand buck transceivers {like that will happen real soon} the cute little mobile rig makes a good back-up or I.F. for VHF, UHF, SHF etc. -- even while they have the big buck radio on 80 or 20 Meters -- emulating the bad practices of their older “peers”! Don’t’cha think?

6) Oh, the “HT” (along with the accessories that you KNOW will be purchased) costs just as much as the multi-mode, multi-band BETTER communications tool!
 
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John,
You're just gonna have to tell me where I can buy a brand new, "multi-mode, multi-band BETTER communications tool", for $119 or even $350 for that matter. But the $119 one is more my speed. Can't wait to go out and buy one. I've always wanted one but didn't want to spend the money required. So when you get a chance, let me know.

Tnx es 73,

Nils
N6PEH
 
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by WA6BFH on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
What? You mean you did not go out and buy a:

1) spiffy leather case

2) speaker microphone

3) various spiffy suction-cup mounting brackets

4) a power supply for home inter-mod, uh I mean fixed station use

Oh, and since it is probably a power supply capable of only a few amps -- you will need to get another one -- when you buy a real radio!

5) An external 'brick' amplifier -- so you can talk a lot further than the radio will receive

Please don't think I am picking on you but, I hope some folks will take my pointed humor to heart!

73! John
 
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by N6PEH on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
You must have used an HT to receive my last post????
 
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by WA6BFH on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Well, if you are a cheap skate -- that is tougher!

I think though that Ham radio is one of the best economical hobbies a person can have! Check out golf, astronomy, or general aviation or sail planes by contrast!

I don’t know how true this is these days but, it got me a career! I would think that a knowledge of both “DC” electronics, as well as RF communication (and digital modes) would help prospective “IT” folks!

Shoot for the cost of that ‘real radio’ that I suggest, you get all of the things I previously mentioned plus:

1) A short-wave receiver

2) A radio that will allow you to explore and learn the science of radio

3) Will allow you to observe and learn how people operate the HF bands (even if you can’t yet use them)

4) Would help you learn code {hehe}

5) Give you one hell of an incentive to upgrade

So, if cost is a factor BUY USED!

Use that as an OPPORTUNITY to find an older Ham of maybe about one or two decades tenure to explain the cost benfit ratio of better and lesser rigs -- as well as the supporting hardware -- antennas etc, and how you can save bucks on them as well.

Shoot I even know a rather pointed 20 some year licensed Elmer bitc, uh that can help you with that!
 
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by NT4XT on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS, "...The people at Kenwood are laughing all the way to the bank--they're into commercial and public service equipment in a big way. Much bigger than Icom, and yes, Yaesu (Vertex) too. As a matter of fact, I'd venture that Kenwood is, right now, giving Motorola a run for its money. Quite a few agencies and entities are turning to Kenwood for their radios."

Cool! My rigs of choice:
1) Ten Tec, I use my computer to control the rig anyway, and am done with real knobs and buttons. ToT may not have the tightest knobs, or manufacturing engineering technology of the big 3, but the engineering is still awesome.
2) Kenwood.

The reason is because these two pay close attention to CW keying waveforms in Fast QSK mode. But- when we're talking HT, field radios- I'll take Yaesu anyday. I just think they're built better to withstand droppage, etc. Vertex makes them submersible within fair limits.

I hope Kenwood is getting it somewhere, maybe in the Hi-Fi Stereo market, maybe a bit here and there, and I'm sure some agencies are going for their commercial gear.

However, I just thumbed through 3 issues of MRT (Mobile Radio Technology) and the big ads are from Telewave, inside front cover. Icom, inside flap- back cover. And on the back outside cover- Vertex Standard. Kenwood has not one entry in this publication. General Dynamics, Raytheon, Honeywell...WAIT! I found it, THERE IT IS! A full page Kenwood ad in the middle of the magazine. Oh good. (I still would take a Yaesu HT over any other).

Well, whatever's really going on with market-share- I also happen to very much like the idea that Kenwood was the first to offer, still is the first and only to offer, a standard plug and play affordable VoIP/remote control HF rig. I think that's smart. I like Kenwood for these simple reasons. They don't go nuts with new rigs every few years too. I just can't see paying the bux for a FT 1000 something, only to have to modify it because of annoyingly wide key clicks. Or you get a 1000MP and then are sad because a year later out comes the MP Mark Five. You don't buy a 480 wondering if it'll be made obsolete the way the 706 is going to be when that new mobile Icom with the mini TFT display comes out. But that's just me, if I had no cash-flow issues, I might well feel differently. There's something great about all 3, Ten Tec, Elecraft, etc. I use Ten Tec because they came out with the best QSK and I was able to get it for less than the cost of a typical 570, and- I was curious. For the price, I'm not disappointed. But in the realms of field radios, especially HTs, I'd choose Vertex/Yaesu.
 
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by K1CJS on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
BFH,

Again without arguing, I think you're short changing the 'little handheld'. Yes, admittedly the small radio doesn't have the range or the sensitivity of the bigger one. Also, intermod could be a problem. But a five watt handheld will easily get into a local repeater (within 4-5 miles) full quieting, and that extends the range of that little radio to 40-50 miles depending on the repeater.

The little handheld can go with someone who goes for a walk or who doesn't have a car. What is a kid supposed to do? Get his wagon, a couple of storage batteries and a screwdriver antenna and pull it along behind him?

A decent HF radio can be had for three of four hundred dollars, but then what about the power supply for home use? Another $80 to 100. Co-ax, connectors, and other needed miscellaneous things, probably $20 to 40 depending if the set-up is done to last or is just a lash-up. Sure you can discount the power supply if the radio is used exclusively mobile, but who wants to limit their range by doing so?

How about the antenna for the mobile? A decent one in a lower price zone is at least $50, and if you want any sort of band coverage, probably closer to $125 unless you use a tuner, which may be needed anyway with a low price HF set.

Hey! Look at that! The simple $300-400 HF set all of a sudden is costing more like $700-800 or even more!

On the other hand, if you want to go with a better VHF set instead of a litle handheld, 2 meter mobiles still run less than $150 and a decent antenna costs about $40. In my book, $200 is less than $700 any day!

As I said before, to each his own. It depends what flavor of radio you want to play with. 73!
 
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Not everybody buys the add-ons for the little handheld, or if they do, use bags and accessories made for other uses--after all, hams are cheap! So, for what you're saying costs more, the average ham maybe spends another $100. I looked at prices for Icom handheld accessories, and I ended up going to Wal Mart, to the camera and electronics departments. The accessories I got (case, car power adapter) cost me less than $25, when the original handheld case alone was selling for $60. Oh, the PL to BNC adapter cost $6, so I fibbed!
 
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by K1CJS on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
NT4XT,

I handle simple installations for some of the area agencies and businesses, and the two names I see most often are Motorola and Kenwood, with GE and Maxon a distance behind. Of course, Kenwood also sells car sound equipment--in other words, they've diversified.

I've been told that Kenwood sets are being made better than before. Of course, what I'm told may not be the wide picture of things, but two or three different suppliers tell me the same thing. As a matter of fact, my public service EMA radio is a Kenwood even though I lean toward Icom for my ham radio choice.
 
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by KA5HZV on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Those are the longest sentences I have ever seen!
 
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by WA6BFH on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

And its only Thursday evening!
 
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by N0NV on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Regarding the amateur radio population, please read Rich Moseson's (W2VU) reply to the Wall Street Journal from last year. If you've never read it, you missed some good stuff...

http://www.cq-vhf.com/Amateur%20Radio%20Letterhead.pdf
http://www.cq-vhf.com/Amateur Radio Letterhead.pdf

73,

Jack, N0NV
 
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by WA6BFH on June 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Oh yea, I bet you ten bucks, a buck a year over the next ten years, to see where the numbers are in the next decade! I'm betting way low!

Ooooh, 2010! Aren't we supposed to be exporing the Jovian moons about then, or were we supposed to have done that in 2001?
 
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by OK1UHU on July 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Well, well, well,

just support the Morse code testing, that's the best way for this article to become true. Why?

As mentioned before, the hamradio ops are getting older and older. Just repel the new guys with the obligatory code testing! Don't allow to change it to voluntary one under any circumstances!

The older hams will vanish in a very near future, there will be no new ones, no one will use the ham bands, ham radio will really die.

That's what you want?

BTW: I'm of age 45, ham since 1973.
 
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by AE6IP on July 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
> One fact leaps to mind is that there are currently
> almost 700,000 Ham licenses in the US at this
> time...more than at any other time.

Not true. The number of licenses in the US is lower than it has been in ten years and continues to decline.

> Cynics could polk holes into this and say that not
> all of them are on the air, but they can't give you
> an accurate number as it would all involve
> guesswork.

Actually, all it involves is the FCC license database: http://www.speroni.com/FCC/Licenses.html

 
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> To the poster who stated that he has been several
> places where his cell phone won't work, I can only
> suggest that you update your service, equipment, or
> change carriers. I travel extensively throughout
> North America, and have yet to have a call dropped
> for lack of service.

Cell coverage in MT, for example, is terrible. Outside of the metro areas it's usually only available along the interstates, and even then it is spotty.

I've had coverage problems in Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, and Nevada as well.
 
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by W5ESE on July 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I don't think Amateur Radio is in trouble at all.

o Since I studied for my Novice ticket (1975), we've
added 60m, 30m, 17m, 12m.

o LORAN has left 160m; ~80% of which used to be
useless owing to LORAN, but it's a whole new
ballgame now.

o It think it likely we may get an LF allocation
~136 kHz.

o A temporary experimental permit at 500 kHz may
someday evolve into a more permanent allocation as
shipping worldwide moves to satellite-based GMDSS.
Keep tuned!

o The 60 meter allocation will possibly evolve into
a segment rather than channels.

o Shortwave broadcasters are scheduled to leave 40m
over the next few years, rendering more of it much
more useful.

Even in 1975, when I was a kid, most amateurs were
much older. Nothing's changed. Though there are
about twice as many hams now.

73
Scott
W5ESE
 
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by K1CJS on July 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KA5HZV--Thank you!! Some of my longer ones are 4 paragraphs long! ;-)
 
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by WA4PTZ on July 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Geeeeeeezzzzzzz!!!! I have to agree with the logical
masses. Even Chicken Little had the right to an
opinion. But, can't you find another place to be
Orwellian ?
Have a nice day
 
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by NT4XT on July 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS- interesting. I understand. My uncle is the Chief Engineer at where I find my humble work. He's a Yaesu guy all the way. So imagine my surprise when the new HT he bought was a Kenwood... I asked him what?! I vaguely recall him saying it was better suited for either Packet and/or the APRS he set up in his van. Go figure. Well, there's one Chief EE type who's actions agree with you I'd say.

Charles, Mr. Lightwave man KC8VWM- LOL. I value an excellent imagination, I'm no engineer obviously. The thing is, the magic of Ham radio from the HF perspective is that Ionosphere thing. That Sun emissions interacting with the Earth's magnetic field thing, etc. My imagination certainly does see this concept as possible for all of our line-of-sight communications. Technology has progressed in leaps and bounds, who in the world would have believed in the mid 80s, that cell phones would proliferate the way they have. And yet- the physics of wireless still hasn't really changed. At all. Nor has propagation, we may know more about it, more data, more analyzing power than ever before for sure. But whether the HF rig is a n SDR-1000 or Johnson Viking, what's at the end of the coax really hasn't changed at all, nor what happens to the signal after the antenna.
I sure did enjoy the trip though, I like your posts. For straight line communication, and relatively straight though bent communications through worm holes, I think you're really on to something, man. Laserelectro-optic transmissions without a "physical" transmission conduit seems pretty cool to me! Even if easily disrupted by matter. I guess that�s why RF is so magical- it goes through walls, and bounces around and stuff.
 
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by WA5MKA on July 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
<Year....Population#.....Hams....Growth Rate

1930....123,202,624....19,000
1940....132,164,569....56,000......194%
1950....151,325,798....87,000.......55%
1960....179,323,175....230,000.....164%
1970....203,211,926....263,918......15%
1980....226,545,805....393,353......49%
1990....248,709,873....502,677......28%
2000....281,421,906....682,240......36%
2005...............................666,131......-2.4%


Hmmmm.

The trend looks to me like we are back on the rise again. -2.4% is still more growth today than back in 1990.

Growth seen between the periods 1990 and 2000 project more ham radio growth than the same 10 year period between 1960 - 1970

I wonder what 1965 looked like for comparison? I am suspecting it dropped slightly similar to what we are seeing in 2005. by KC8VWM on June 26, 2005>

Hmmmm,
Let's see: What happened between 1960 & 1970: The Viet Nam War going hot & heavy + Incentive Licensing ! If you're busy dodging bullets, you're probably not interested in learning the theory & code ! Also, if you were a General Class Ham & you went from full privileges on 80/75,40,& 20 Meters(the Major Bands)to less than half privileges on those bands after you had passed a hard theory/regs. & 13 wpm code exams, wouldn't you get P****d Off & at the very least become inactive or at the very worst totally leave Ham Radio ! I still say this very low growth in ham radio was one of the first nails in the coffin for Hallicrafters, National, Drake, WRL, Swan, etc., etc., etc.

Hmmmm,
Let's see: What happened between 1970 & 1980: The Viet Nam War ended & the CB Radio Craze of the mid 70's ! I'll venture to say that a lot of CBers got into Ham Radio after they got a taste of long range communications while working skip on 11 meters ! i.e. Ham Radio started growing again !

Plus, in later years the increase in privileges for Generals probably helped also to increase Ham Radio growth !

Let the flames begin !

George---W7KCU, ex: WA5MKA
 
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by KD5FJE on July 2, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Dear Don,
I, too, have noticed much less CW especially on the upper portion of the "CW" bands [even though we know CW can be used on any amateur frequency..and it can not be blamed on bad propagation.
If it isn't a contest or SSB DX pileup, fewer people are out there ragchewing, i.e. fewer hams are active, especially on CW. At the low cycle, CW is really the best thing for us low tech hams with 50 W rigs and homebrew antennas. We can't blast out 1.5KW signal with a beam around the world on SSB.
Anyone ostracizing you personally for your view has no class and is no gentleman. People can have opposing viewpoints without resorting to peronal attacks.
I've gotten my sons into ham radio and we all need to do our part to pass it down [ALONG WITH CW!!!!!] to younger generations or it will in fact die. And the ARRL is leading the funeral march IMO in more ways than one, which is one reason they will never get a cent from me.
73!
Doug KD5FJE FISTS 5844
 
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by WA6BFH on July 2, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Scott, I recall sitting with my Elmer in 1967. He and I were discussing the WARC conference where it was likely that we would lose the lower 20 MHz of the 23 cm band. This same thing has happened several times since, to several UHF or SHF bands.

He speculated that the way things would go, we would lose 10 MHz on a given SHF band, and be granted
100 KHz on an HF allocation. He was optimistic! The chosen apportionment per removal seems to be 20 MHz portions, and you well know that recent HF allocations have been closer to 10 KHz.

I too would like to see us have more or less ‘even increment’ access across the HF spectrum, and the LF or MF allocations sound interesting. Do you think that it is a good trade though?
 
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by WB6NCO on July 2, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The article raises some good points about amateur radio and the graying of our hobby. I am 53 years old and have been licensed 38 years.

I am currently "elmering" a young man who is almost 11 (his grandfather is a ham) and hope to have him ready for his Technician license by November 2005.

I hope he has a hobby to enjoy in 2017 when he is 23.
 
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by W5VPU on July 3, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"Predicting is very difficult, especially when it involves the future."

Raymond
 
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by W5VPU on July 3, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Another thought.

Perhaps if all those who use their time to write these kinds of articles and respond with all sorts of pros and cons (i.e., "arguments for and against") would get on the air instead and actually use the ham bands, there would be a WHOLE LOT MORE ACTIVITY.

Think about it.

Raymond
 
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by WA6BFH on July 3, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Raymond, did you ever think that we might be able to do these two things at once?

I myself am listening to 6 Meters, as well as monitoring a UHF system that through several sites on a few different bands covers much of Southern Kaleefornia! So, with these two radios I pretty much have my finger on the pulse of whatever 6 Meter DX activity may arise, or whatever might be of interest to a bunch of FM mobiles between here and Las Vegas!

Add to that my ability, via my computer and the Internet, to have fine type written QSO’s with persons such as yourself; to me that seems like a bunch of communications coverage (I also scan a few web sites)!

73 OM! John
PS
Did you ever want to become a Veterinarian?
 
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by KC8VWM on July 3, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I still say this very low growth in ham radio was one of the first nails in the coffin for Hallicrafters, National, Drake, WRL, Swan, etc., etc., etc.

George---W7KCU, ex: WA5MKA

---------------

I agree 100%

(Surprising isn't it?)

73 Charles - KC8VWM
 
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by KC8VWM on July 3, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Charles, Mr. Lightwave man KC8VWM- LOL.

I like your posts. For straight line communication, and relatively straight though bent communications through worm holes, I think you're really on to something, man.

-----------------------

Hi NT4XT,

I just recieved your communication on my lightwave communicator and thanks!

The post I demonstrated is purely fictional and probobly plagued full of engineering design flaws. :)

However, keep in mind that it's just an imaginative concept which brings me to my very next point.

Do you walk through automatic sliding doors at grocery stores?

Do you have power seats with control buttons and headrests in your car?

Do you own a PDA?

Do you have a memory chip?

The point is that all of these technologies listed above have been around in concept way before they have ever been invented.

One only has to watch an episode of Star Trek from the 60's to see all these technologies listed above in actual conceptual use.

Yet, back in the 1960's there was no such thing as sliding doors that automatically open when you approach one, power seats with control buttons on the armrest (resembling the capatin's chair) in an automobile, laptop or handheld PDA computing devices (Yeoman Janice Rand apparently had one that the captain signed off on), little square memory chips that you slide into a console and watch images on a display screen / monitor, etc...etc.

Isn't it rather odd that many of these things that we see in existance today were based on earlier imagination and non existant science fiction?

73 Charles - KC8VWM
 
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Hmmmmm, what about the idea that at the time of the demise of Swan, {pretty much} Drake, and certainly the older Amateur Radio manufacturers -- many Hams were more infatuated with just saving a buck with radios like the FT-101 or the TS-520?

That was the demise of some very well engineered radios!

Shoot, the TS-520 was a major ‘intermod box’ that was later repaired by the TS-820, a very nice and well engineered radio!
 
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by KC8VWM on July 3, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Drake returned to the amateur radio market in 1997.

1997 also commemorated Drake's return to the amateur radio market after Drake introduced the TR270, a two meter base station transceiver that accommodated voice, data, satellite, packet, and dual band reception applications.
 
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by K4JF on July 4, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
For those still ranting about Incentive Licensing, please explain how making it easier to get into the hobby accounts for "slow growth".
 
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by KB7FHK on July 4, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I believe the dropping numbers of new licensed Hams is the fault of the majority of older Hams. If the following statments upset you then you might be part of the majority.

My personnal experiences have been that on the air most Hams are fairly pleasant. Face to face a larger percentage are straight up assholes! Did I say that out loud? Sorry.

There always seems to be this kindness from old timer Hams to a prospective licensee until he/she gets their technician ticket. Then all of a sudden there it is "My beam is bigger than yours" or "You own a Kenwood!! and not an ICOM? (go away)" and my favorite "I got my WAS in one week" of course he doesn't tell you he did it with 1500 watts or more.

Anyway I am KB7FHK and love amatuer radio. I also enjoy helping newcomers without being like the apparent majority.

The article is great.

 
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by G0RTN on July 6, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The HF spectrum isn't worth 10 quid on e-bay - that's why we're being given more of it (40m extension here in Eu, 60m) and the same goes for VHF actually - that's why 6 metres is virtually a world wide allocation now, and more European countries are being given access to the 70MHz band previously only used in Britain, Ireland and Cyprus.

As for the average age of hams going up - well, in Europe, North America and the most developed parts of Asia, the average age of people is going up - rapidly. It's no surprise that amateur radio follows the same demographic.

By far the most worrying trend is the lack of casual operation on the bands, especially VHF and UHF. 2m SSB, which could be quite congested 15 years ago in this part of the world, is usually dead outside openings and contests. There has also been a huge drop in 2/70 FM activity in most places I know (Britain, Ireland, Germany, Turkey) compared with a decade or two ago. You can kind of see the logic of 'why bother with radio when you can use Echolink' but it's sort of sad at the same time.
 
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by W5TZ on July 6, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Good going Don! Just another way to r&r (rant and rave)
Bill W5TZ
 
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by KA3NRX on July 6, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
STOP, ALREADY!!!!!....STOP WITH THE GLOOM AND DOOM!!!!....STOP!!!!!!!!!...STOP!!!!!!!!....STOP!!!!!!!!

IT'S GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!
 
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by N0TONE on July 7, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Dan, I'm happy to say you're way off base in many ways.

The average age of hams is older- but not by much. I've been a ham longer than you've been alive. I started in my own teenage years, and even back then, it was dichotomous - there were teenagers, and there were empty-nesters. Ham radio has always required too much time and money to get much participation by those who were raising children. Ain't never gonna change. The low percentage participation by youth is not new - it's always been there.

In the VE classes in which I participate, I see more of the youth going for the Extra. At least in my area, it is not the older ones getting the Extra - they don't have time. Youth does.

The FCC website no longer shows birthdates, so we can't run stats on new licensees. I wish this were not true.

Why aren't there kids at club meetings? I don't know. There never were. When I was a kid going to club meetings, I was always the ONLY kid going to club meetings - even prior to WWII this was true. Hasn't changed.

HF activity, as far as I can tell, is NOT down. It's just that the QRP craze and indoor antennas have taken hold and very few hams are generating credible signals.

Put up a real antenna, Dan, and listen for real and talk to me. In the past three weeks, I have swung the beam around and been able to hear many countries on ten meters. Were you even aware that ten meters was open? You're probably not listening well enough.

When I was a kid, I always got excited when I made a QSO with someone younger than 50...this was always rare, this is not a new phenomenon.

If, Dan, the death of ham radio is by your definition, then it is not a thing to happen in the future. It was dead in 1930.

I, for one, don't believe it.

Heck, if age of the participants was the measure by which a thing was dead, then retirement homes have always been dead.

AM
 
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by KA5KXW on July 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Now I've only been licensed about 25 years, since I was 11 years old.(Thanks mostly to my elmer Dick Mitchell, then N5BKX, later KZ5F, now SK I think. Dick was a heckuva guy and elmered scores of kids.) Seems to me during the 25 years I've been around, most hams were old farts and most still are. So what? I sure hope that I get to be an old fart ham radio operator someday myself. Sure beats the alternative.

Cheers,
Kenn
 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by N5JYZ on July 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KSGANT sez "But as you can see, the larges dive in the numbers came from 1960-1970. Anyone have a theory as to this? Hippies?"

Why yes I can answer that we worked DX without ever leaving our dorm rooms and had virually no RFI complaints. Blacklights were QRP.
Bob the Fish
 
RE: 'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by KI4IXU on July 14, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I hear many hams say that there are no kids in ham radio. I'm 15. I had only heard of ham radio by new reports of hams helping out in the emergency communications. Then, my neighbor (also 15) and his dad got their tickets, and told me about ham radio. Everyone I've talked to has never heard of Ham Radio, or has only a vague idea about it. Mainly because hams are not teaching anybody about their hobby. I have not really been able too, considering I got my radio only this month, but that didn't stop me from mentioning it to people!
 
'Ham Radio' Ends April 1, 2017  
by N4FWD on March 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Instead of wasting a multitude of words on the state of "Ham Radio", how about DOING something about the situation!?! I have ventured forth into the realm of Elmer / Instructor. If every HAM would do the same, this sliver of civilization can grow. As I say in my intro to Ham Radio: "Amateur Radio cuts across all walks of life regardless of age or ability!" How about you, my fellow hams, doing something instead of wasting your most valuable asset, "time".
 
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