Just Who Did Invent Radio?
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Glen E. Zook, K9STH
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There's a lot of interesting history in the realm of radio and its child, television. The players include inventors, businessmen, performers, and lots of other people. Unfortunately, the vast majority of this information has not been made available to the masses!
Marconi:
First of all, ask the average American, "Who invented radio?" If they know at all, the reply will usually be "Marconi." For most of my life, and that of my parents and grandparents, the inventor of radio has been, according to all the history books, Guglielmo Marconi, born in Bologna, Italy, on April 25, 1874. Marconi was the son of a very successful Italian businessman with extensive business ties to Great Britain.
Marconi was interested in wireless telegraphy (radio) from an early age, and conducted experiments on his father's estate starting in June of 1895. Later that year he was able to send messages up to one-and-a-half miles.
Seeing the commercial potential of communications with ships, the 22-year-old Marconi went to England where, in 1896, he was granted his first patent on radio communications. Later, with the help of his father, Marconi contacted a number of influential British businessmen, and the Marconi Company was formed to develop wireless communications. Until about 1920, this company dominated the radio scene worldwide.
Lodge and Fessenden:
However, several years before Marconi even started experimenting, as early as 1888, Oliver Lodge (later Sir Oliver), a professor at Liverpool University, was conducting experiments in wireless telegraphy. Lodge was granted a patent on his system (which, by the way, was the source of the receiving detector used by Marconi - the coherer) in May 1897. Marconi purchased this patent in 1911.
At the same time, a Canadian university professor (Western University) named Reginald Fessenden was experimenting not only with wireless telegraphy, but with voice and music transmission as well. Also, he was interested in the radio control of boats. By the mid 1890s Fessenden was transmitting voice and music from the shore to people aboard pleasure boats on the St. Lawrence River.
Dolbear:
As you can easily see, both Lodge and Fessenden predate the experiments of Marconi but they were late-comers, for, in 1885, United States patent 350,299 had been issued to Amos Dolbear, a physics teacher at Tufts College. In fact, for a time, Dolbear was able to the keep the Marconi Company from operating in the United States because of his patent for a wireless telegraphy system (which, by the way, was virtually identical to the system used by Marconi)! Later, the Dolbear patent was purchased by the Marconi Company, thus allowing them to use wireless in the United States.
Loomis:
Dolbear was also late on the scene, for, as early as August 15, 1858, an American dentist name Mahlon Loomis was beginning a series of experiments in wireless telegraphy within the state of Ohio! With the interruption of the American Civil War, Loomis continued his work. In October of 1866 he sent signals between two mountaintops, about 15 miles apart, in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Senator Samuel Pomeroy of Kansas and Representative John Bingham of Ohio were present at this demonstration. Both men later gave much support on Loomis' behalf in the U.S. Congress.
In January of 1869, Senator Charles Sumner of Massachusetts introduced a bill into Congress to appropriate $50,000 (well over a million dollars in present-day purchasing power) for development of Loomis' system. This bill languished in committee for two years, at which time Rep. Bingham introduced a bill to incorporate the Loomis Aerial Telegraph Company, giving it the right to issue up to two million dollars worth of stock. This bill stated that no money was to come from the U.S. Government (one of the reasons the original bill was stalled in committee).
In early 1873, President Grant signed the bill into law, and a few months later, on July 20, 1873, Loomis was granted U.S. Patent 129,971 for the invention of his system. Unfortunately, Loomis' company had gone bankrupt during the stock market panic of 1869, and he was never able to garner enough financial support to put the system into operation.
Although Loomis died in 1886, he left his mark in other areas. He was not only an inventor in the area of radio, but he also held a number of patents in the field of dentistry, including methods of making false teeth and specialized filling materials and methods. Some of his ideas are still being used today!
Patent Disputes:
There are certain things to be noted about these early inventors. The first is that during this time period, patent offices would issue patents on working items only, either full-sized or models. Thus, Loomis, Dolbear, and the others had to actually demonstrate that their equipment worked! There was not patenting of ideas at that time.
Next, although most of the people involved were university types, they did not publish papers to the extent that papers are published today. Also, there was a lot of nationalism involved with something of such possible importance as communicating without wires.
Marconi had established a consortium of powerful British investors. Several of these were members of Parliament, and the rest were in a position to command the ear of that governing body. Because of this, both Lodge and Fessenden (Canada being a member of the British Commonwealth) were effectively silenced by governmental actions. The Marconi Company soon dominated the wireless (radio) scene.
From about 1900 until 1943, there were a large number of patent rights battles in the courts of the United States and Great Britain. Little by little, Marconi's patent empire was voided until, just before his death in 1943, his latest patent was vacated in favor of Nikola Tesla.
In fact, Marconi's list of patent fights included almost all of the inventors and pioneers of radio communications. People like de Forest, Fleming, and others were in an almost constant fight with Marconi and his company. Because of these lengthy patent battles, the British Government did not wish to aid those fighting against the British-based Marconi Company. Therefore, they insisted that Marconi was the inventor of radio. It is unfortunate that this misconception is still being taught today.
Marconi, through the efforts of his British company, did more than anyone else to commercialized radio. However, he really did nothing himself in the actual invention of the systems. Everything he used was invented by someone else, and was actually used in two-way radio communications before Marconi. In Loomis' case, the patent was issued before Marconi was even born!
Because the history books of the early 20th Century taught that Marconi was the inventor of radio, it is still being taught today. This is unfortunate, for there were, in reality, several true inventors (each with a different system type) who were communicating before him. But such is the work of the history text writer.
There are other such tales about grossly wrong history texts, but these can wait for another time!
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by KU4UV on August 12, 2005
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Well, being from Kentucky, and being a guy who holds a degree in Broadcasting/Electronic Media from Eastern Kentucky University, I have always liked to believe that Nathan B. Stubblefield was the true "inventor" of radio. If you believe Stubblefield's claims that he was actually transmitting his voice over the air for short distances around the time Marconi was experimenting with wireless telegraphy, then a Kentucky farmer is the true inventor of radio. The sad part is that Stubblefield died almost completely poor, having held out for the big money and not wanting to share his claims of wireless with the rest of the world for fear his idea would be stolen by others. We have a radio staion here in Kentucky, WNBS, I believe located in Murray, that honors Stubblefield.
73,
KU4UV
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by KA4KOE on August 12, 2005
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None of the above. I wrote about Alexander Stepanovich Popov in one of my DEDs.
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by K3UD on August 12, 2005
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Stubblefield did some very interesting work but I wonder if it was really radio in the sense we understand it today. Stubblefield's goal was to perfect a wireless telephone and he seemed to have actually developed one that worked. He thought he was somehow tapping into the earth's magnetic field. I am not sure how his invention worked, and I get the impression that Stubblefield never really knew. However there are many eye witnesses who saw it work.
Here is an interesting website about him:
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/stubblefield.html
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George
K3UD
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by WA7NCL on August 12, 2005
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Marconi was the Bill Gates of Radio. Sure he didn't invent a thing, but did you ever see pictures of his yatch Electra? You gotta give him credit for making radio a business rather than a curiosity.
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by K4JSR on August 12, 2005
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W8KQE said, "I thought Al Gore invented radio!"
Sorry George. Al Gore invented the Internet with his
world famous "AL GORE RHYTHM".
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by KK7WN on August 12, 2005
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Thanks for the interesting article. Like many other stories dealing with man made products there is not one person involved since there is not a "thing" to be discovered, as if "hidden under a stone". Instead there is a succession of ideas and developments that comprise the whole process. This of course leads to the all too familiar situation where people who were key to process of "discovery" receive little or no credit for their important work. Usually it is the popularizer of some product that gets the credit, money and glory. This is why basic research is not usually done by business firms. They specialize in applied research or even just production, after the basic work has been done. Unfortunatly basic research must be its own reward to those that do such a thing.Most basic research is done in Universities and specialized research firms funded by tax or donated dollars.
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by K3UD on August 12, 2005
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Maybe it was really good marketing that invented radio :)
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George
K3UD
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by NI0C on August 12, 2005
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Good comments and observations by KK7WN. I believe that Heinrich Hertz deserves credit here for his basic research that paved the way for Popov and others. I find it fascinating that the Hertz lab experiments are thought to have employed frequencies close to the very popular 2m amateur band.
73,
Chuck NI0C
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by WB2WIK on August 12, 2005
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Nice article, Glen!
Of course, if you haven't yet, you should go back and read all of Phillip's (KA4KOE's) "Dead Electrical Dudes" series, which are brief, informative and really funny.
If Stubblefield was really the creator of what we now call wireless telephones, then I curse the man for making our local traffic even worse. Can you hear me now??
WB2WIK/6
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by W4XKE on August 12, 2005
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So it has been throughout radio history. Look at the battle over the superhetrodyne amplifier circuit with Lee DeForest, Edwin Armstrong, RCA and AT&T:
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http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Edwin-Armstrong
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More recently has been the case of Sears stealing the push-button release ratchet handle and the theft of the side discharge chute on lawnmowers. It has always been tough to be an inventor.
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by KE4ZHN on August 12, 2005
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Interesting article. For all we know, it could have been some unknown guy experimenting in his garage with some wild contraption and didnt even realize he had transmitted RF. I think Marconi got the credit simply because he had good financial backing. Even back then, big money always won out. Today we see examples of this same thing. Someone invents a car that runs on manure, or garbage, or whatever, and the oil companies buy him out and quietly file his invention away to keep their chokehold on the consumers dependent on oil. Money talks BS walks, thats the way it will always be.
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by WA1RNE on August 12, 2005
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Great article, love historical radio stuff....
I hadn't heard the Fessenden story before.
Here's another decent account of his accomplishments;
http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://
www.ewh.ieee.org/reg/7/millennium/radio/radio%5Funsung.html
I would say the most prolific inventors of radio were Edison, DeForest, Fessenden and Armstrong.
Incredible that with the exception of Edison and DeForest, these guys had no idea of the effect they would have on the world today.
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by WA6BFH on August 12, 2005
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My goodness, this is a very nice article, and a wonderful perspective!
I too used to wonder at the anomalies and vagaries of fact that I would run into reading such history as a 13 year old kid. I devoured just about every biography on anyone in electronics or radio!
We had a really cool “art-deco” architecture library at my Junior High School. The biographies were in a little room at the west end of the great room. That little room was my domain! I spent every minute of free time up there in the library. This room had a little table in the center of this tiny room. It would sit four people one at each side; I often had it all to myself.
I look forward to your next articles! Or, tell else where else you are published?
73! de John
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by WI7B on August 12, 2005
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Just a couple comments on a fine article and a rich field of debate!
Despite later U.S. Navy accounts and antedotes aside, the United States Supreme Court - the law of the land - in their 1943 decision on MARCONI WIRELESS TELEGRAPH CO. OF AMERICA v. UNITED STATES (Nos. 369, 373., argued April 9-12, 1943 and decided June 21, 1943) did not question Marconi as the inventor of radio, stating...
"Marconi's reputation as the man who first achieved successful radio transmission rests on his original patent, which became reissue No. 11,913, and which is not here [320 U.S. 1, 38] in question. That reputation, however well-deserved, does not entitle him to a patent for every later improvement which he claims in the radio field."
It should be pointed out that this case was one of the most thorough, if not the most thorough, review of ALL radio communication patents arising from the birth of radio. It specifically pointed out the role (Phil KA4KOE, this guy deserves a story) of John Stone Stone. John Stone Stone's patent on tuneable circuit pre-dates Marconi's. Unfortunately, he will probably go down in history as the "Father of BPL", as well (see his "The Practical Aspects of the Propagation of High Frequency Waves Along Wires," for which he was awarded the Franklin Institute Edward Longstreth Medal in 1913).
So, as far as the law in this land goes, Marconi is our man.
73,
---* Ken
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by WA6BFH on August 12, 2005
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Uh,,,, I think that was the Super-regenerative amplifier.
But, whats in a concept, eh?
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by WB2WIK on August 12, 2005
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>It should be pointed out that this case was one of the most thorough, if not the most thorough, review of ALL radio communication patents arising from the birth of radio. It specifically pointed out the role (Phil KA4KOE, this guy deserves a story) of John Stone Stone. John Stone Stone's patent on tuneable circuit pre-dates Marconi's.<
::It is widely thought that John Stone Stone was stoned during most of his experimentation, leading us to the J S-cubed theory of research and development still popular on college campuses.
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by N6AJR on August 12, 2005
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I invented radio in 1957 when I made my first crystal radio... then hooked it to a fan dipole..!!!
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Who, just who ..I say?
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by KC8VWM on August 12, 2005
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James Maxwell first predicted the existence of radio waves.
Howver, Guglielmo Marconi sent and received his first radio signal in Italy in 1895.
So who is actually the inventor of radio?
1) The individual who thought of this concept first?
2) Or perhaps the person who applied the technology first?
Sounds to me like another case of what came first, the chicken or the egg?
73 Charles - KC8VWM
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by W5HTW on August 12, 2005
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I thought Al Gore invented radio!
Al invented "The New Ham Radio."
Ed
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by K4JSR on August 12, 2005
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Charles said, "James Maxwell first predicted the existence of radio waves."
Charles forgot to add that Maxwell did this with the aid of one of the Three Stooges, Curl e!!!
NYUK! NYUK! NYUK!
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by K8MHZ on August 12, 2005
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From www.teslasociety.com
As early as 1892, Nikola Tesla created a basic design for radio. On November 8, 1898 he patented a radio controlled robot-boat. Tesla used this boat which was controlled by radio waves in the Electrical Exhibition in 1898, Madison Square Garden.
Tesla's robot-boat was constructed with an antenna, which transmitted the radio waves coming from the command post where Tesla was standing. Those radio waves were received by a radio sensitive device called coherer, which transmitted the radio waves into mechanical movements of the propellers on the boat.
Tesla changed the boat's direction, with manually operated controls on the command post. Since this was the first application of radio waves, it made front page news, in America, at that time.
Most of us, think of Guglielmo Marconi as the father of radio, and Tesla is unknown for his work in radio. Marconi claimed all the first patents for radio, something originally developed by Tesla. Nikola Tesla tried to prove that he was the creator of radio but it wasn't until 1943, where Marconi's patents were deemed invalid; however, people still have no idea about Tesla's work with radio.
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by KC8VWM on August 12, 2005
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Cal - Why I outta ...
Marconi was an entrepreneur - an inventor, but I don't think he was the first radio pioneer.
Marconi was the first to send a signal across the Atlantic perhaps, mabey even the first to have a patent on the idea - but he wasn't the first one to discover the idea of "wireless" signals.
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by WI7B on August 12, 2005
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K8MHZ wrote:
“Most of us, think of Guglielmo Marconi as the father of radio, and Tesla is unknown for his work in radio. Marconi claimed all the first patents for radio, something originally developed by Tesla. Nikola Tesla tried to prove that he was the creator of radio but it wasn't until 1943, where Marconi's patents were deemed invalid; however, people still have no idea about Tesla's work with radio”.
No, that’s not true. Not all Marconi’s patents were deemed invalid. To quote my previous posting…
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Despite later U.S. Navy accounts and antedotes aside, the United States Supreme Court - the law of the land - in their 1943 decision on MARCONI WIRELESS TELEGRAPH CO. OF AMERICA v. UNITED STATES (Nos. 369, 373., argued April 9-12, 1943 and decided June 21, 1943) did not question Marconi as the inventor of radio, stating...
"Marconi's reputation as the man who first achieved successful radio transmission rests on his original patent, which became reissue No. 11,913, and which is not here [320 U.S. 1, 38] in question. That reputation, however well-deserved, does not entitle him to a patent for every later improvement which he claims in the radio field."
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Marconi’s first British patent, the invention of radio, was not questioned by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1943. Read the case history. It is one Marconi patent that was upheld under U.S. Patent Law.
In the United States, Guglielmo Marconi is consider the inventor of radio - legally, if not otherwise.
And boy is my girlfriend mad I’m talking radio on Friday night!!!
73,
---* Ken
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by KC9AGG on August 12, 2005
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nikola tesla...just read his articles on the pbs web site...true genius-way outside anything "normal" by any standard---i'll give it to tesla. an engineering student in electronics at milwaukee school of engineering says they give it to tesla these days.
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by WA6BFH on August 12, 2005
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“antedotes aside”
Yes indeed, it is like Jackson Brown said, “ya either gotta take more of’em, or less of’em”
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by SM0AOM on August 13, 2005
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"People like de Forest, Fleming, and others were in an almost constant fight with Marconi and his company"
Regarding Fleming I beg to differ.
Dr John Ambrose Fleming was employed by the Marconi company as Chief Scientific Adviser, assisting Marconi with thermionic technology.
He became deeply involved in the legal battles about the "Audion" with i.a. DeForest, but on Marconi's side.
73/
Karl-Arne
SM0AOM
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by KG4YUS on August 13, 2005
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Damned if you dont learn something new every day.
I thought Tesla was an early eighties rock band, and according to another band Marconi played the Mamba
hihi
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by W6AJ on August 13, 2005
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Popular history giving credit to the wrong man is nothing new. There has been a TV show giving credit to Igor Sikorski for inventing the helicopter. (A program originally sponsored by Serge Sikorski) There is virtually nothing on a modern helicopter invented by Sikorski. Most everything that he is given credit for in this "documentary" was covered in patents Sikorski purchased from Harold Pitcairn. The majority of these patents were in turn purchased from Juan de la Cierva whom Pitcairn at least was willing to acknowledge.
What Sikorski was able to do successfully was to get government contracts for an aircraft that was yet to be built and tested. It took him many years to get up to the level of machines built before WWII.
There are many other cases of popular history differing greatly from known facts.
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by W3GMN on August 13, 2005
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Sorry but Tesla invented radio.He was awarded the patents in 1943 by congress.
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by W3GMN on August 13, 2005
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Sorry but Tesla invented radio.He was awarded the patents in 1943 by congress.
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by K4JSR on August 13, 2005
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George Washington was actually the very first radio ham. When his father hollered, "Who chopped down my cherry tree?" George answered, "I cannot tell a lie,
I didit dahdah!".
Take that, you NCTs! ;-D
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by X-WB1AUW on August 13, 2005
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And Ben Franklin invented the first long wire antenna.
Thanks for the article Glen.
The oldest radio I have says Firestone on it. Firestone must have created radio.
73
Bob
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by TG9AKH on August 13, 2005
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Great article! But I feel it misses the point. Historians and lawyers are wrong. Radio was given to us, humans, by our alien godparents. It was just the proper thing to do at the stage of development that we were at.
As such, amateur radio is an enlightened religion where we come to love and understand the utmost beauty of THE gift we were given over a century ago. In time, we may even be able to communicate with Them again, throught their gift... or so is their wish as it should be ours.
Why do you think the little green thing recovered from Area 51 carried a hand-held? He was actually trying to communicate with us! He was trying to communicate with us so passionately that he crashed his flying saucer, like those guys who crash their cars because they talk on their cell phones. That's how area 51 happened. Now we all know...
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by WA6BFH on August 13, 2005
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So by this logic, should we thank or pray to John Augustus Roebling for his invention of the wire rope steel cables used in the Golden Gate?
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by W6AJ on August 14, 2005
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WI7B
> So, as far as the law in this land goes, Marconi is our man. <
The article was not about law. It was about history. If the courts decide that the sun rises in the west, that does not make it so.
W3GMN
>Sorry but Tesla invented radio.He was awarded the patents in 1943 by congress<
The article was not about law. It was about history. If the courts or congress decide that the sun rises in the west, that does not make it so.
KC8VWM
> So who is actually the inventor of radio?
1) The individual who thought of this concept first?
2) Or perhaps the person who applied the technology first? <
Marconi was neither. Do we say that the Wright brothers were not the first to fly an airplane (another somewhat suspect claim) because their aircraft did not have ailerons? If one is basing the claim that Marconi invented radio because he was the first to make contact across the Atlantic, that claim could be superseded by the next contact that covered a longer distance.
Sometimes a traditional but false claim is replaced by another false claim that becomes a new tradition. We are now taught that Leif Erikkson reached the "new world" before Columbus. All knowledge of Leif Erikkson's voyage comes from records that claim that the boat that he used had already been to the new lands in the west with another Norseman; Bjarni Herjolfsson.
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by K8MHZ on August 14, 2005
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Nikola Tesla
The Guglielmo Marconi Case
Who is the True Inventor of Radio?
How many mistakes are there in our history books after all? How many facts are erroneously described and so replicated throughout the world, while the reality is completely different?
The invention of radio is one of these cases. Despite the fact that almost every book mentions Guglielmo Marconi as the inventor of radio, the only thing Marconi did seems to be nothing more than reproducing apparati Nikola Tesla had registered years ago. Marconi copied Tesla, made some modifications, built a large industry producing radio devices in Europe and spent huge amounts to advertise his supposed invention.
Yet, the inventor of radio is Nikola Tesla, as proved by official court decisions and as great scientists of his era admit.
The Facts
1893 Tesla carries his first experiments with high frequency electric currents. The first demonstration of wireless communication. In his articles and lectures Tesla describes his first radio apparatus in detail.
1895 Marconi presents a radio device in London, claiming it as his invention. However, the device is the same as what Tesla had already described in his articles. Later on, Marconi will claim that he had not read Tesla's articles, despite that they were translated in many languages very quickly.
1897 First patent registered by Nikola Tesla on radio communication, Patent No. 645576.
1898 Tesla constructs the first remotely controlled boat and demonstrates it in New York. He registers this invention under Patent No. 613809.
1899 Tesla builds a large radio station in Colorado Springs, USA and starts his experiments. His observations are noted in his diary.
1900 Marconi starts selling his radio apparatus. Tesla says he wants to sue him.
1901 Tesla begins the construction of a huge radio station in Wanderclyffe, near New York. This station, Tesla's biggest dream, would transmit electric signals and energy to the whole planet. It was never completed, due to lack of financial means. The same year, Marconi transmits his first message over the Atlantic. The world was impressed, but did not learn that Marconi was only using Tesla's Patent No. 645576 (1897).
1916 Marconi starts exploiting the rights of his supposed invention, considering himself, and not Tesla, the patent holder.
1917 In an article in "Electrical Experimenter" Tesla announces a system to locate metallic objects through radio signal reflection. This is the beginning of the radar.
1943 Nine months after Tesla's death, the Supreme Patent Court of the USA decides that Nikola Tesla must be considered the father of wireless transmission and radio. Justifying its decision the court notes that in Marconi's related Patent (No. 763772 of 1904) there is nothing new not having been earlier published and registered by Tesla. The Court considered Marconi's claim that he did not knew of Tesla's patents false.
Tesla's drawing published in 1893, showing the first radio communication
Other Scientists' Opinions
Alexander Popov, radio pioneer, in front of the Congress of Russian Electrical Engineers in 1900: "the emission and reception of signals by Marconi by means of electric oscillations is nothing new. In America, the famous engineer Nikola Tesla carried the same experiments in 1893."
James Wait, in charge of the USA project for radio communications with submarines at low frequencies: "from a historic point of view, Nikola Tesla imagined a world communications system employing a huge emitter in Colorado Springs in 1899; unfortunately, his sponsor cut all financial support. Tesla's experiments however have a tremendous similarity to the future development of low frequency communications."
B.A. Behrend, famous American scientist. It is said that when his colleagues thought they had discovered something new, he suggested they first had a look at Tesla's patents before proceeding with publishing their findings.
Edwine Armstrong, Tesla's colleague, later honored with a Nobel prize: "I believe that the world will wait long time for a progress and imagination equal to Tesla's."
In one of his rare moments of expressing anger when asked to comment on Marconi, Tesla said: "Marconi is a... donkey"
Despite all these, Marconi received the Nobel prize in 1909 for wireless telegraphy! When the possibility of honoring Nikola Tesla with the Nobel Prize was discussed later (likely for his work on electric energy transmission) he publicly refused it, noting that the importance of his inventions was not yet understood and that for him it would be more important to see his name on each of his numerous inventions that changed the world. Even for one such invention, he concluded, he would give the Nobel Prize away for a thousand years.
Sources
"Tesla: Man out of time", Margaret Cheney, Ed. Layrel, N.York 1983. (probably the best Tesla biography)
"Nikola Tesla, Life and Work of a Genius", Yugoslavian Society for the Promotion of the Scientific Thought "Nikola Tesla", Belgrade 1976. (Proceedings of the Nikola Tesla conference for the pronouncement of the year 1976 as the Nikola Tesla Year in Yugoslavia)
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by K8MHZ on August 14, 2005
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On Loomis:
"From one mountain peak he sent up a kite, the bottom of which was covered with thin copper gauze, and the kite string was copper wire. He connected this apparatus up to a galvometer that had the other end of the circuit connected to ground. Immediately the galvometer showed the passage of current!
He then set up an identical outfit on a mountain peak 18 miles away, to send. He would touch this second kites wire to ground and by this action reduced the voltage of the charged stratum and lowered the deflection in the galvometer attached to the other kite at first location we discussed."
Whilst this IS wireless telegraphy, this is NOT radio. Loomis simply replaced telegraph wires with the earth and the conductivity of the atmosphere and sent messages this way. I see neither the emmission nor detection of radio waves present in this very interesting experiment.
Mark K8MHZ
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by K8MHZ on August 14, 2005
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From Dolbear's patent:
"The art above described of communicating by electricity, consisting in first establishing a positive potential at one ground and a negative at another; secondly, varying the potential of one ground by means of transmitting apparatus, whereby the potential of the other so ground is varied; and, lastly, operating receiving apparatus by the potential so varied, all substantially as described."
Again, the detection of a change of potential, this time DC. No radio here, either.
73,
Mark K8MHZ
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by K8MHZ on August 14, 2005
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To those of you that have tolerated all my posts to this point, an explanation:
I have been studying the works of Tesla since 1985 or so. I am also aware of the dirty tricks that Edison pulled on him, enduring to this day in the history books. Edison, it seems, was a friend of the Hearst’s and it was the Hearst’s that printed most of the text books used in schools for decades. When I learned of these connections, I suspected, as still do today, that the Edisons, including Thomas’ heirs, had a great deal of influence in the content of those books.
I read Tesla’s patents, and Edison’s, and there is no question that Tesla was the inventor of radio. Edison did not start working with high frequency AC until Tesla had shown a potential use for it upon his discovery that HF AC produced an effect that could be both detected and modulated over distances without wires. This phenomena also could be made to occur without a connection to Earth, as required by all forms of non-radio electric telecommunication. But, since the Earth connection enhanced the effect, and was easy to do, it was incorporated, but not needed, in most early radio designs.
In 1993, by the Grace of God, a beautiful little girl entered my life. In honor of Nikola Tesla, she was named Nicole. She soon acquired a nickname, Coley, which is now Koley. In 2004, at age 11, Nicole passed her Tech Exam, applied for and was awarded the call sign K0LEY, and passed her CW Exam. She is a credit to ham radio, and a joy to have in my midst.
The call sign K0LEY stands as a testament to my well researched assertion, backed by Supreme Court decision, scholars and scientists of both today and yesteryears, that Nikola Tesla was not only the discoverer of the method to produce radio waves, but the inventor of the device that could receive them as well.
A search of Tesla’s many patents will show that long before 1892 he was working with HF AC. His work with polyphase AC, sometimes as many as 7 phases or more, produced patents with drawing of equipment that looked like something from the thirties. He was ‘on to something’, that ‘something’ being radio, as early as the 1880’s.
So, the issue is not the subject of conjecture in this house, the inventor of the radio was Nikola Tesla.
73,
Mark K8MHZ
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by NC2W on August 14, 2005
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There are many modern devices which were not 'invented' by a single person. Consider the transistor, or the Mine Safety Lamp.
But it still provides loads of good discussion.
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by KF4VGX on August 15, 2005
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Two Kids ,talking through two Tin cans with a wire attached.
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by K8MHZ on August 15, 2005
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http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm
Here is some good reading. The page is long but if you scroll about half way down you will see a transcript of Tesla, in his own words, describing his experiments with radio. They are part of his experiments with AC and illustrate how he creates RF at 50 kHz and up. He also describes 'breaks' or spark gaps and talks of tuned antennas. He has much documented work leading up to his radio work.
Edison, on the other hand, only has radio documentation after Tesla's, and no AC research to speak of prior to the invention of the radio. Remember, Edison was a DC man....and a dishonest one at that.
73,
Mark K8MHZ
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by K0RGR on August 15, 2005
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One more time now ... Al Gore did not invent the Internet and never claimed to - Ann Coulter said he did. He claimed to have a lot to do with it, and he did. He is credited with naming the thing "The Information Superhighway", which he did when he got funding for it.
Al Gore never invented radio and never claimed to. That's just another lie that Ann Coulter made up about him.
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by KC8VWM on August 15, 2005
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Al Gore didn't invent the internet. This was simply a rumor that was created by several media outlets.
The "Internet" was not actually "Invented" by a single individual but rather it was something that "evolved" over a long period of time since the 60's and it's development involved many different people.
The "computer network" was originally designed and intended for the Department of Defense.
The original idea was to create a wide area subnetwork that linked military computers together via telephone lines. It was originally called APRA, and later ARPANET and then USENET etc...
Source:
http://www.dei.isep.ipp.pt/docs/arpa--1.html
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by KA4KOE on August 15, 2005
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RGR:
I take it by your comments about Ann that strong-willed, intelligent, blonde, tall women make you nervous?
Must have been the picture of her in the leather outfit she was wearing on the cover of her last book.....???
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by K8MHZ on August 15, 2005
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I would also like to add that Tesla did not have to know CW in order to invent the radio.
He did, however, have to find someone that did in order to operate it.
And, just to stir things up a bit...what was built first, the transmitter or the reciever?
Clue: How do you test a transmitter?
73,
K8MHZ
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by W4WB on August 15, 2005
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To be clear about the outcome of the 1943 US Supreme Court Ruling, the Court concluded that Tesla shall be named as the primary inventor of radio. The Court determined that Tesla's patent 645,576 had anticipated the fundamental radio patents of all other contenders. FWIW, Tesla died a few months before this ruling.
Why this issue rose to the Supreme Court was because Marconi sued the US Court of Claims alleged infringement by the US Military of his patent rights. Bad move on Marconi's part because it forced the Government to "validate" Tesla's patent of 1900.
Marconi certainly popularized radio more than anyone else, but really wasn't an inventor in the sense of Tesla, Lodge, Thomson, De Forrest, Armstrong, ...; nevertheless, Marconi received the Noble Prize and Tesla didn't.
I regret to have to disagree with Ken WI7B, but it is Tesla that the man, not Marconi. But at the end of the day, Loomis is the most forgotten father of radio and holder of the first radio patent.
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by K8MHZ on August 15, 2005
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"By the mid 1890s Fessenden was transmitting voice and music from the shore to people aboard pleasure boats on the St. Lawrence River."
I could not substantiate this. What were the people using on their boats for receivers?
K8MHZ
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by W6AJ on August 15, 2005
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> Al Gore didn't invent the internet. This was simply a rumor that was created by several media outlets. <
What Al Gore said specifically on March 9, 1999 during CNN's "Late Edition" show was "I took the initiative in creating the Internet." He has acknowledged making this statement but later said that those words didn't imply that he invented the Internet. This seems like an distinction without a difference. Now let's get back to the subject of radio.
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by KC8VWM on August 16, 2005
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I didn't mean to get off topic, but thank you for making that clarification about Al Gore.
My Best,
Charles - KC8VWM
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by K9NYO on August 16, 2005
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Sorry to stray off topic, but in regard to the above comment about Al Gore, that is right on target. Al Gore helped secure funding for the ARPANET, which would become the InterNet. Just as Eisenhower appropriated funds for the Interstate highway system after the war (modeled on the German Autobahns), Gore and others foresaw a need for a redundant computer network system.
Gore is often debased for his remarks, but the fact remains that he helped create the Internet. The Worldwide Web (invented by Sir Tim Berners-Lee) has only been around for 15 years, but the Internet has been around far longer...since the late 1960's. I personally have been tooling around the Internet since 1987, using e-mail, FTP and Gopher in those early days.
Though I'm not supporting Gore as a politician, I would urge others to check their facts before deriding the man.
P.S. My vote is for Reginald Fessenden and Nikola Tesla.
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by K3BU on August 16, 2005
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Thanks Mark for setting the record straight!
TESLA is da MAN - the inventor of radio.
Edison, Marconi were hustlers making money of Tesla's inventions, while he was busy working still on other inventions. He is the greatest engineering genius of all times, devoted his life to helping mankind, still so ungrateful to him and his work.
I wish people writing articles did better research.
Those wishing pay small radio tribute to Nikola Tesla can do so in Tesla Cup Contest, please see the rules at
http://www.computeradio.us/TeslaCup.htm
Yuri, K3BU
pres. Tesla RC
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by KE4ZHN on August 17, 2005
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Ponder this. Man didnt invent "radio" at all. He harnassed it. Electromagnetic waves have been traveling through space since the beginning of time. What man did was figure out how to control these and how to detect their presence. You might say all the pioneers mentioned on this thread helped mankind harnass the power of electromagnetic waves as a natural resource. Much the same way as natural elements are used by man to make things that otherwise wouldnt exist in nature.
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by KC2IGY on August 17, 2005
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Howard Stern invented radio. That's right Robin. Hoo-Hoo, tell 'em Fred.
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by K9NYO on August 17, 2005
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Not Stern...it was Steve Dahl.
And of course nobody INVENTED radio....I think the fact that man merely discovered and harnessed it is kind of a given.
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by K8MHZ on August 17, 2005
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It would probably be better to ask "Just Who Did Invent The Radio?" as radio is a natural phenomena.
I feel that the 'inventor of radio' would be the person that invented a way to transmit and recieve radio waves. And that person would be Tesla. Edison was a rip-off artist of the highest order. He did not invent the light bulb either, as history gives him credit for.
Edison, in order to discredit Tesla and Westinghouse, had his pals in the media print that AC was more deadly than DC. Telsa, being no dummy, fired up a 1,000,000 volt Tesla coil and let those million volts travel 'through' his body, shooting sparks everywere, at the 1905 World's Fair. He then put in a call to Edison to do the same with 1,000,000 volts DC and said that he wanted to turn the switch on when he did it.
Edison never showed up. Westinghouse won the contract for the Niagra Falls plant using Tesla's AC technology.
Edison also had input into the design of the electric chair. Do some digging and give that a read.
I strongly feel that Edison's family was the driving force behing those that printed the fabricated documentaries in our school's history books.
Thanks, Yuri, for backing me up. Tesla would be proud.
73,
Mark K8MHZ
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by KG4ZCH on August 17, 2005
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And Al Gore invented the Internet too..do not forget!
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by KR6DJ on August 18, 2005
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From what I read Tesla predated them all with his transmission experiments.
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by W9WHE-II on August 23, 2005
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Now just hold on 1 second. We all know that AL GORE invented radio, right before he invented the internet.
And right after AL GORE invented radio, JOHN KERRY "had a plan" for making sure every home had a ham radio, paid for by the US treasury. More recently, ARRL has been following KERRY'S plan and has advocated the great "ham radio" give-away.
W9WHE
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by W9WHE-II on August 23, 2005
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KC8VWM WRITES:
"Al Gore didn't invent the internet. This was simply a rumor that was created by several media outlets"
SHEER NONSENCE!
On March, 1999, in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Al Gore said, and I quote:
"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet".
Now Charles, you can spin those words all you want. You can even do a Clinton and argue that it depends on what the definition of the word **creating** is..., but you cannot escape Al Gore's own words.
In reality, in an effort to get Al Gore elected, the lefty media INVENTED the story that some un-named media outlet claimed that AL Gore claimed to have invented the internet. No media outlet made any such claim.....AL GORE DID on national TV!
Al Gore said it...and I heard it.....and if you do a Google with those exact words....you will find that CNN will back up the facts.
W9WHE
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by KE6AEE on August 24, 2005
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MMMM ? I THOUGHT A JUDICIAL COURT OF HISTORICAL REVIEW
PROCLAIMED NIKOLA TESLA THE FATHER OF RADIO
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by KE6AEE on August 24, 2005
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MMMM ? I THOUGHT A JUDICIAL COURT OF HISTORICAL REVIEW
PROCLAIMED NIKOLA TESLA THE FATHER OF RADIO
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by W9WHE-II on August 25, 2005
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Nope.
Al Gore invested radio, just before he invented the internet and then John Kerry developed a plan for universal free broadband access.
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by K2ROK on August 25, 2005
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Any amount of legitimate research points to Telsa. The man is way under-recognized overall for his amazing concepts, inventions and life story. Glad to see others have posted his name.
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by K8MHZ on July 10, 2006
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Why did Marconi get undeserved credit in school books for all those years?
Well, do some research into who published and printed most of the text up to the 70's and see if you find any of Edison's friends there.
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