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Yaesu FT-2000

Michael S. Higgins (K6AER) on September 8, 2005
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YAESU FT-2000

This is the picture of the new FT-2000 that was displayed at the Tokyo Ham Fair earlier this month. Marketing is targeted at the IC-756 Pro-III category users with pricing in the $3000 plus class. Little is known about the specifications but this is targeted to be the successor to the aging 1000 series. A spectrum scope via a flat screen or your lap top is available but other specifics are only starting to surface. As pre production information is made available and translated, look for more information in international ham publications. As always expect to see the unit in Japan and Europe first.

In what looks to be an ICOM and Yaesu battle for the HF hearts, I can't help but wonder if anyone is alive at Kenwood?

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Yaesu FT-2000  
by GM0ONX on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Don't know about seeing it in Europe first, we're always behind the USA with new models. We haven't seen the FT9000 yet.

Looks a very nice rig, look forward to the reviews.

Len GM0ONX
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by K3PRN on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
As an owner of a Yaesu FT1000MP Mark V, I will be curious to see how the new FT2000 compares to the old Mark V with Inrad roofing filter and other Inrad filters? The side by side comparison of the FT2000 to theTen-Tek Orion II also will make interesting reading. Personally I am extremely happy with my Mark V and fornately do not feel the "need" to own the latest models.

I am sorry to see that Kenwood seems to have dropped out of the high end amateur radio market place. I sure it must be a problem with design/manufacturing costs and profit ability? Compared to car/home audio sales for Kenwood products, amateur radio sales must be minute. It's nice when three major design teams plus Ten-Tek where competing to produce the finest amateur tranceivers.
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by N4ARI on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
It will be good to see Yaesu, Icom, & Ten-Tec competing in this $3000-$3500 class level. It would be nice to see Kenwood here too. This $ class is a bit high for the average ham but low enough to sell these units to a good percentage of the hams who want to "treat themselves" to something a little better than average. This price class will also push the feature-performance limit while managing the cost. Probably the best dollar-for-performance class of radios (good bang-for-your-buck I suspect).
 
Kenwood Questionable  
by K0BG on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I recently heard on Bloomberg that only a fraction (<1%) of Kenwood's earnings come from their amateur sales. The vast majority is from their audio line, especially mobile after-market, multi-channel, with video, and even remote control. They (Bloomberg) noted that Kenwood is releasing a new audio line in time for Christmas. This should tell you where their R&D monies are going.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by W4BQF on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Nice looking radio, but spec's and performance will tell the story. I would hope they have picked up on having selectable roofing filters. I think the idea of an external LCD monitor is excellent in that it sure keeps the initial cost of the radio lower.

There is always a niche of ham's that have special 'wants', in my case I look for high speed, full QSK, CW capability. So far, the FT-9000 and the Orion are not even close to doing that in excess of 65 wpm. Only the high dollar IC-7800, which will run full QSK CW up as high as 100 wpm, has the capability.

Kenwood has 'quietly' produced a very good radio in their TS-480 series, excellent rcvr performance and 200 watt capability. Should be a great radio at about $1500, for either home or mobile use.

Tom - W4BQF
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by KC0BUS on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
So what could Ten-Tec's market share be? Even less than Kenwood's I suspect. Yet even little Ten-Tec continues r&d for the high-end price class rigs. So I'm not buying the theory that Kenwood doesn't care about their "1% market share" in the amateur radio industry. Also, the sales of Kenwood's TS-2000 must be absolutely off the charts due to the large number of reviews on eHam.net. In fact, the Kenwood TS-2000 has more reviews than any other HF rig on eHam.net, period! This means that it is probably a WILDLY SUCCESSFULL seller for Kenwood and probably has caught their attention. Which means it will probably motivate them to develop more HF rigs. Therefore, look for more HF rigs coming from Kenwood in the future. Not only is Kenwood lacking a high-end rig, their low-end TS-570 series is starting to show some age too. Because they probably sell far more "low-end" rigs like the TS-570, I suspect you'll probably see a replacement for the TS-570 long before you see a high-end rig. Although on the other hand, Kenwood has the bad habit of leaving their HF rigs in production far longer than any one else. Case in point; their little TS-50 rig has been in production for 12 LONG years!!! Yaesu will cycle through 3 or 4 rigs in that same time period!!! So who knows. Kenwood is weird. They didn't used to be. They used to be the industry leader. Now they seem like the industry follower. And for those of you that say you're "satisfied with the performance of your old analog HF rigs" obviously haven't tried IF DSP.
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by K8VF on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Wouldn't it be great if they manufactured it so you didn't have to modify it for key clicks the day you brought it home?
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by K5LXP on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
N4ARI wrote:

> This $ class is a bit high for the average ham

Is it? I know many people that will drop $3K on a home computer or wide screen TV. In my view a ham rig is just another entertainment appliance. Considering the potential time of ownership of such a rig before it becomes 'obsolete' it is likely a good value to invest this much in a piece of gear. People that buy lesser rigs tend to cycle through them more often and may end up spending more in the long run. I for one am getting weary of all the mediocre performing rigs out there being put out by the 'big 3', it's about time they started catching up with state of the art.

Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by KE3HO on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
>>So what could Ten-Tec's market share be? Even less than Kenwood's I suspect. Yet even little Ten-Tec continues r&d for the high-end price class rigs. So I'm not buying the theory that Kenwood doesn't care about their "1% market share" in the amateur radio industry.<<

Actually, Alan did not say that Kenwood had a 1% market share in Amateur Radio. He said that Amateur Radio equipment accounts for 1% of Kenwood's total business. They are one of the dominant players in Amateur Radio, and have far more than a 1% market share. That should give you an idea of just how much mobile audio/video gear they sell.

I am going over to the product reviews section to right a review of the FT-2000 :-)

73 - Jim
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by K0IZ on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Check out the Flex-Radio review in the upcoming October QST. Exciting specs. I worked a couple of guys with Flex-radios last week, sounded real good. Also talked with one of the two software developers about the many software enhancements of recent past and upcoming.

Third Order Interecept (at 2KHz spacing !!) is +30 dBm
Two Tone, Third Order Dynamic Range (2Khz !! tone spacing) is 90 dB

Filter bandwiths from 25 Hz to 40 Khz, selectable in 11 Hz steps. 1.05 to 1 shape factor. Sides drop from 3db to 120db !! in < 250 Hz.

100W model, without PC, $1375.

Check out www.flex-radio.com. Looks like the future to me.

John
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by KC0SOG on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
When I first heard of the FT-2000 I was a little disappointed.

I was hoping for an upgraded version of my little FT-840. Seriously! HF (possibly 6m too) with DSP, nicer CW features, VOX, "MORE BUTTONS", and affordable for under $1000. Something competitive with the TS-570 from Kenwood.

I think they would sell a ton of them.

I've heard that the all-mode FT-847 is discontinued due to parts supplier problems?? That really leaves a hole. Maybe an impact to other models too?? Can anyone confirm or debunk that??

73, Doug
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by K0LEJ on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Multiple roofing filters and IF DSP seem to be the big feature differences between the FT-2000 and the FT-1000 MP Mark V series (minor feature changes include the display, button/knob layout and external monitor capability). Is the IF DSP better than the current analog filters? I imagine it's a lot cheaper to add IF DSP software. The roofing filters will be a nice addition; however, will they provide added functionality over the Inrad filter option in the Mark V?

With the price of the Mark V being about $1200 less than the expected price of the FT-2000, it appears that the current Mark V is a pretty good value (even loaded with optional filters).....

73
Larry, K0LEJ
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by WB2WIK on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Here's my review, written promptly upon my receipt of this article:

I like the FT-2000 styling, but after studying the fuzzy picture of the front panel for more than two minutes, I can't figure out if the rig covers six meters or not. I can read the band "buttons" for 1.8 through 24 MHz, then above that it gets fuzzy and I can't even tell if the rig covers ten meters, for sure -- but I assume it does.

As for performance, all I can say is so far, I have no complaints.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA6BFH on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Yes, it covers 6 Meters. There is another picture floating about on the web that shows a 50 MHz button.

Hey BUS, since sales of this rig are so great, tell me where I can go to see one in a store?

As far as state of the art goes, most rigs are at the state of the art, at least as balances off in the Profit/Loss arena. When you think of mediocre performance, as balanced against the performance of some of the older rigs, remember that even today solid state devices do not provide the dynamic range of vacuum tubes. Icom in their IC-7800 did a whole bunch of critical stage gain design and filtering to achieve all that can be done. Certainly these devices are getting better, and I suspect that the FT-2000 will be much the performer that the IC-7800 is!
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA1RNE on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Obviously performance aside, the ergonomics of the FT-2000 are the type I prefer.


The layout of the controls is similar to my ICOM IC-740 and other rigs where the control knobs are larger and the pushbuttons don't require the tip of a pen to depress.


The large, clear analog meter is also a plus, as well as the large main frequency display -all features I prefer over my actual operating experiences with rigs like the Kenwood TS2000 and others.


Chris, WA1RNE
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by THERAGE on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Rigpix has a fuzzy up front pic. shows that there is a 50 button just to the right of the VFO with all the rest. specs show that it covers six.
73
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA6BFH on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

I wouldn’t call the RigPix information “Specifications”!

I sure hope that all those N/A’s mean Not Available,,,,,,,, and not Not Applicable!
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by K3UD on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"So what could Ten-Tec's market share be? Even less than Kenwood's I suspect. Yet even little Ten-Tec continues r&d for the high-end price class rigs. So I'm not buying the theory that Kenwood doesn't care about their "1% market share" in the amateur radio industry."


Actually the 1% is how much of overall Kenwood earnings come from the amateur radio market. What we don't know is how much actual market share of the amateur radio market Kenwood has. I bet it is WAY over 1%.

These are two very different measurements.

73
George
K3UD
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA0ZZG on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Gentlemen;
Notice the type of meter. It reminds me of the type
used on a 1000D. There appears to be two RF/AF gain
controls. This would suggest two receivers.
It has a very traditional layout. Almost retro.
I've kept a nicely setup 1000D, waiting for something
better to come along. This may have a chance.
Dave...
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA6BFH on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Yes, it has two receivers. I and a friend spent a sleepless night a few weeks ago searching everything we could find on the web!
 
The future...  
by NT4XT on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I'm with the Flex Radio idea on this one.
I'm thinking, if equal or better performance is available at a fraction of the cost, with basically no moving parts, on 3 or four PC boards, you supply the computer and specified sound card-
well, the SDR is simply more "Flex" able.
If equal or better performance can be had with less parts I'm thinking it's less complicated, easier to repair, less expensive, with the potential to do everything the Big Bux rigs might do, (especially if you had two SDR-1000s), and more. But old habits die hard, I often get the disctinct impression, that for many, a big part of the fun of ham radio is having all those knobs and switches to tweak and tune.
Yet I'm certain that an SDR 1000 could be configured to be as fast and efficient as a big radio with all those knobs and switches, probably even more precise.
I've yet to hear how the SDR 1000 fairs with QSK.

And yet, don't think for a minute I'm not in awe of the new wonder radios coming out. The pictures of the FT-2000 here bring a grin to my face, and I can't help but want to touch it. I'm sure it feels perfect and performs like it should, which should be at least as good as the FT-1000 series, more refined, perhaps even without the need for modifications.

And regarding this article, these are the sort of articles I hope to find here! Nice color pictures of the latest very cool looking radios. Super.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by HA5RXZ on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Looks great apart from that blue display, the amber display on the FT1000 series looks much better. Am I the only person on the planet who considers all these blue LEDs and displays annoying?

HA5RXZ
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by K0LEJ on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I don't believe it's two separate or independent receivers. From what I have read and what a dealer told me, the receivers will be like the Mark V series -- dual in-band receivers....

73
Larry
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by N0TONE on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Icom and Yaesu are going head-to-head in the high performance home station rigs, with the FT-2000 (a downgraded FTDX-9000) and the IC-756PROIII. I don't consider the 7800 to be a contender, because in some important RF parameters, it is inferior to its own little brother, the ProIII.

Icom and Kenwood are going head to head in the battle for mobile HF. Icom with the lousy performing, but gee-whiz lots-of-gismos IC-7000 and Kenwood with the relatively low feature-count, but extremely high performance TS-480.

You can learn a lot about the FT-2000 by simply calling Yaesu. They're not keeping back any secrets. I made that call - the FT-2000 is going to have both analog filtering and DSP available. It will have capability of holding even more filters than the FT-1000 series.

AM
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA6BFH on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Something that needs to be done by US Hams is to make the Japanese manufacturers aware that all of their offerings need to include better options for broad spectrum access. They don’t have a problem with this in their country, where Hams are very active across the spectrum.

I am curious to see how the FT-2000 will stack up in this regard. Recently I had an opportunity to inquire with an Icom engineer about the IC-7800. I was asking what design features etc were provided for additional transverters. His wording in his response was “we have not thought about marketing the radio for the use with transverters”. I later found out on my own that the radio does easily provide for the addition of transvereters but, even mention of this escaped the Icom employee!

All equipment of this day and age, with higher frequency IF’s being the order of the day, should include the easy availability for accessing any of Ham radios 26 bands!
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by KA4KOE on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I don't need no stinkin' Yaesu. I've got a TS-940S Kenwood and brother, I know how to use it.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA6BFH on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Yes, you have another stink'n Kenwood radio too!

Shoot, even your radios are manic depressive! Uh, I mean Bi-polar.
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA0ZZG on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Here's the breakdown from the Japan web page.
Appears to have only one receiver front-end, but two
IF's. MY 1000D has me spoiled, I'll just keep it.

to be available in two versions: 100W with internal power supply and 200W with external power supply
VRF and high dynamic range RF front end
first IF 6kHz and 12kHz roofing filters
IF DSP
dual-watch (in-band)
RF scope, audio scope, and oscilloscope using an external display
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by W6TH on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
.
WA6BFH

John, just go a email from a young boy and wanted me to explain what you meant by this statement. This young chap could not understand your menaing.
------------------------------------------------------
"Shoot, even your radios are manic depressive! Uh", I mean Bi-polar.
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73, W6TH
.:
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by N3JBH on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
(( by WB2WIK on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Here's my review, written promptly upon my receipt of this article:

I like the FT-2000 styling, but after studying the fuzzy picture of the front panel for more than two minutes, I can't figure out if the rig covers six meters or not. I can read the band "buttons" for 1.8 through 24 MHz, then above that it gets fuzzy and I can't even tell if the rig covers ten meters, for sure -- but I assume it does.))

yep steve it covers six meters aswell as ten.

*HF/50MHz transceiver.
*Two types.100W(built-in power),200W(outside power).
*VRF in RF frontend.
*roofing filters adoption of 6KHz/12KHz to the first IF.
*High dynamic range frontend.
*Variegated interference removal function by IF DSP.
*The same intraband dual receive function.
*RF scope and Audio oscilloscope function with external display.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by K5UJ on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Like someone else said, I'm happy with what i have and don't feel any burning desire for the 2000, but that's just me.

Re the Flex Radio, I have no doubt that its architecture is the wave of the future but as one who spends his whole work day staring at a monitor I have no desire to do that when I go home to operate my ham station.

<<< Gentlemen;
Notice the type of meter. It reminds me of the type
used on a 1000D. There appears to be two RF/AF gain
controls. This would suggest two receivers.
It has a very traditional layout. Almost retro...>>>

I noticed that too. The front panel looks kind of like a rig from about 15 years ago somehow. It may have to do with the look of the knobs, the mechanical meter and the raised highlighted frame lines around the meter and display. I find the look of my Mk V f.p. more attractive.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WB2WIK on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
This is new information, I should update my review.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by W8JJI on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
What about KENWOOD's offering for a new table-top base rig ???

I sure would like to see a NEW "BIG" HF rig from them !
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by VA3NR on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Old-time Kenwood fans - doesn't this FT2000 picture remind you a little of the TS930? The blue frequency display, analog meter, big VFO knob, and RIT in about the same places as the 930. It would be great if they could also duplicate the old Kenwood's QSK, speech processor and pile-up handling performance. (I guess I'm missing my 930, and dreaming of a cross between the 930 and Mark-V.)

73, Chris VA3NR
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA6BFH on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Gee Vito, and I thought that it was only women that don’t understand me!

I was referring to the Bi-polar transistor design technology of KA4KOE’s TS-600 transceiver. Nothing like a good inter-mod producing, slow (electron) transit time, low impedance amplifier don’t’cha know!

Philip can’t be blamed though , he’s liv’n in the past (him and Ian Anderson). It was a nicer time (for Ham radio)!

Have your friend e-mail me directly for a better detailed (and serious) explanation!
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by W6TH on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
.
WA6BFH
John, it is all clear now and I had to also do some additive explanation to him. I believe he is still confused, but in time it will become evident.

Thanks for your reply.

I don't try to compare vacuum tubes with solid state and there is so much to be desired with solid state. The transceivers of today do work quite well and I will not put myself into a position whereby to find a fault. I believe they are of good design and well worth the cost.

I have $4000.00 in my pocket and it is burning a hole in my pocket, but will stick with what I am now using.

Oh how I dislike reading of these new transceivers as it is so tempting.

Thanks John, 73 W6TH
.:
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by LNXAUTHOR on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
K0BG opined:

"I recently heard on Bloomberg that only a fraction (<1%) of Kenwood's earnings come from their amateur sales. The vast majority is from their audio line, especially mobile after-market, multi-channel, with video, and even remote control. They (Bloomberg) noted that Kenwood is releasing a new audio line in time for Christmas. This should tell you where their R&D monies are going."

- and yet, their rigs are superior in every way!

:-)

signed,

a 570D(g) lover
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by KS2G on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Since first licensed in 1977, I've had nothing but Kenwood HF gear in my shack ... TS-520s, TS-830s and currently a TS-570D(G).

They've all been rock solid performers in both casual and contest operating -- and, in my opinion, give some of the Biggest Bang For Your Bucks against any of the competitors.

But, unfortunately, Kenwood currently doesn't seem to have any interest in developing new HF ham gear.

I asked aobut that when I spoke with their folks at Dayton (where their exhibit space was as large as ever but had very few radios on display) and didn't hear even a hint that they have anything in the pipeline, or any plans to develop anything new for HF any time soon.

They appear happy to just keep selling the TS-50, TS-570's, TS-480 and TS-2000.
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by WB9YCJ on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
And finally, the question everone has missed (drum roll please) ......

"Will it be ESSB ready "right out of the box" ?

73, Ken
3840 Groupee
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by K4IA on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Looks like it was designed in the 70's.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by HD650 on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Well, to give you an idea in this part of the world (South East Asia and East Asia), Kenwood sells a *WHOLE* lot more stuff than Amateur radios. Mini Hifis, Home Entertainment sets (amps, speakers, subs), car Hifi components, cordless phones, small home appliances (pretty major too). It's a pretty trusted brand and from my POV it can hold its own beside the giants like Sony/Toshiba/Panasonic which are top players here.

Malaysia is one of the main HQ manufacturing sites for the region if I'm not wrong.
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by KILOWATT on September 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
N4ARI wrote:

> This $ class is a bit high for the average ham

Is it? I know many people that will drop $3K on a home computer or wide screen TV. In my view a ham rig is just another entertainment appliance. Considering the potential time of ownership of such a rig before it becomes 'obsolete' it is likely a good value to invest this much in a piece of gear. People that buy lesser rigs tend to cycle through them more often and may end up spending more in the long run. I for one am getting weary of all the mediocre performing rigs out there being put out by the 'big 3', it's about time they started catching up with state of the art.

Mark K5LXP
Albuquerque, NM




True enough; families do regularly spend $3k on televisions and computers but keep in mind that these devices are generally considered an acceptable extravagance because the entire family uses them. Dad is usually the sole user of ham gear and thus justification for that luxury is hard found. Even the most liberal of XYL's finds it difficult to surrender $3k for "hubby's hobby". At least, that's been my experience after three......count 'em, three!!!.....XYL's. hi hi!

kilowatt
 
RE: The future...  
by AC0H on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
NT4XT wrote:

<<"I'm with the Flex Radio idea on this one.
I'm thinking, if equal or better performance is available at a fraction of the cost, with basically no moving parts, on 3 or four PC boards, you supply the computer and specified sound card-
well, the SDR is simply more "Flex" able.">>

The problem is they aren't anywhere near equal. The consumer grade sound cards in most PC's aren't nearly good enough to replace the "moving parts" portions of a good superhet design.

If you've ever been on PSK31 when an alligator ( way to much power ) comes on and notice the weak signals disappear and regular signals get weaker and the background on the waterfall display gets darker you are witnessing sound card overload. There isn't any neat software trick to compensate for it either.

 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by K0BG on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
From NØTONE; "Icom and Kenwood are going head to head in the battle for mobile HF. Icom with the lousy performing, but gee-whiz lots-of-gismos IC-7000 and Kenwood with the relatively low feature-count, but extremely high performance TS-480."

I personally think the Kenwood is in the same ball park with the IC-706MkIIg, not the IC-7000 as you suggest.

I've used both radios side by side, and there is no clear-cut advantage of one over the other, except for the following.

The Kenwood is available with 200 watts out (sans 6 meters); it does not cover 2 or 440; it is physically larger; the fact that the microphone plugs into the main unit rather than the head is a drawback in a mobile scenario.

From the reports and reviews on the IC-7000 as published in CQ Japan, I'd say it is at least equal to the IC-756 Pro III. I have an IC-7000 on order, so I'll let you know what I think when I get it.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by K0PD on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
As one who is unable to afford any of the new High End Rig's because of health expenses ( priority issue ) i do not think to be quite honest that 3-5 thousand dollar's for a new rig is out of line when you stop and think that only a few short year's ago that radio you spent $1,200 for would be equal in cost to today's high end radio's and look at what your getting in comparison to yesterday's radio.. I'll be interested in what first user's of these new radio's have to say about them after a year's use...
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by KB2CPW on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!


Kenwood has indicated that they will be working on a new high end rig after the new year. They are currently diverting all resources to contract fulfillment in another division thats making them mucho dinero and it requires all of the engineering and design staff involvement.. Thats why they passed on the "2005 race for the super rig".
We will see some indication from them sometime in 2006 that they have something on the "burner" for the ham market.. Sit tight and wait.. Shouldnt be long.. N2ZD
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by KG6AMW on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I'm not optimistic. I suspect that paying $3,000 for FT2000 will net you a radio that operates about as well as the FT1000 Mark V Field. The only difference is you will be out the additional $1200 over and above the cost of the Mark V to purchase it.
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by AA8X on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I’m still waiting for Yaesu to offer a replacement for the outstanding FT-920. Three thousand is much too high for my blood. Come on Yaesu, where is the replacement FT-920 rig?
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA6BFH on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

<<"Will it be ESSB ready "right out of the box" ? >>


Yes, let’s not only spend all of our Ham career within the same 20 KHz of 20 or 80 Meters, but let’s occupy the entire 20 KHz with one modulated signal!
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA6BFH on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

<<I'm not optimistic. I suspect that paying $3,000 for FT2000 will net you a radio that operates about as well as the FT1000 Mark V Field. The only difference is you will be out the additional $1200 over and above the cost of the Mark V to purchase it. >>

You might be right, although I seriously doubt it. It comes down to how you look at the radio, in terms of all you will do with it.

I see any MF/HF/VHF rig these days as just sort of a “control box”. It is not so much a radio in its own right, as the I.F. and tuning unit for my real radios. It is convenient to have nice incremental 100 cycle tuning, with RF gain control, noise limiting, adaptable filtering and such conveniences on 5.6 or 10 GHz. It is equally desirable on such bands as 135 or 23 centimeters. So you see, this could be a really cool and cost effective control box. Shoot, I might even use it on 6 or 10 Meters, or maybe even as low as 17!

There is another perspective that my Elmer advised me of one time after we were having such a discussion with a 3rd Ham who was simply enamored with 20 Meters. My Elmer told me, “never try to explain the grandeur of an ocean, to a frog that only knows the world of his mud puddle”!
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by W6TH on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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WA6BFH
My Elmer told me, �never try to explain the grandeur of an ocean, to a frog that only knows the world of his mud puddle�!
--------------- ------------ ------------

Does this mean we hams only know about ham radio and nothing else?

,:
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by AD5X on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
...Even the most liberal of XYL's finds it difficult to surrender $3k for "hubby's hobby"...

Maybe so, but many XYLs do. How much/year do some of us spend on golf, or skeet shooting, or flying, or scuba diving, etc. We hubby's have expensive hobbies. If you spend $3K for a radio that will last you 10 years (about how long I keep major rigs), that is not too bad. Plus, you can even sell the old radio and get something out of it.

Phil- AD5X
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by HB9PJT on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
From K0BG: " personally think the Kenwood (TS-480) is in the same ball park with the IC-706MkIIg, not the IC-7000 as you suggest."

The TS-480 is classes better than the IC-706MkIIG. Here in Europe we have a lot of strong BC stations which uncover the weakness of the rigs RX at 40 m and 20 m. The IC-706 is definitly one of the weakest rig and not usable at a real station antenna. The TS-480 is much better and in the same class as an 756ProII or a Mark V when comparing at a large antenna and according the Radcom reviews. I do not think the IC-7000 is in the class of a Pro II or Pro III but you will have TV RX.

73, Peter - HB9PJT
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by W6TH on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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There is much to be desired in todays solid state radios as engineering and design. Not complaining as I am completely satified with todays results.

We are not paying the price for the design or the engineering completely, but for the simple method of operation which seems to be of the utmost importance of the operators of this day and age.

Compared to the separate receiver and transmitter combination, the solid state wins with two thumbs up.
.:
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by W3ULS on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The more recent FT-1000MP Mark Vs have had their on-air key click problem fixed. But what Yaesu has yet to fix is the "thump/click" you hear on the break of every CW note--very noticeable in the FT-920, still present to an annoying degree in the Mark V.

My TS-570SG, Argonaut V and OMNI VI are silent, and all have excellent full break-in. Don't know why Yaesu hasn't matched these rigs' performance up to now and I get to wondering about the FT-2000.

John, W3ULS
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by W6TH on September 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
.

What about the Icom 718 for a great QSK. A radio of fame I would say for the best lowest price. The QSK is tops and always a Icom feature.

Put a filter of your choice and I believe it is in the upper class without all the bells and whistles that most don't use anyway.

Why go broke for a hobby of fun?
.:
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by N2MWE on September 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I hate to put a damper on things..but just what are Yaesu and Icom trying to do, compete with the housing market? Take out a home equity loan and buy a beautiful ten thousand dollar Icom HF radio. You have GOT to be kidding me...

What ever happened to K.I.S.S.??? My Icom 746 will probably tx/rx just as well as the megabucks radios. ENOUGH ALREADY!
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WA6BFH on September 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Yea MWE, your 746 will beat the IC-7800 no problem -- uhhhh huh!

Read the last paragraph of my last post!
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by K4TBN on September 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Mechanical S-meter? Yuk. Pass.
 
Cost of radios  
by NE0P on September 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
To N2MWE:

And how much did your last car cost? More than 10,000?
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by AD9P on September 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
When is the FT-2000 going to be on the market? I have an Orion 2 on order but this may have changed my mind.
CUL
AL
AD9P
 
Mechanical S Meter  
by HA5RXZ on September 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
We shall agree to differ, I prefer real meters to digital substitutes.

HA5RXZ
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by K3WACKY on September 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
N2MWE,

Sounds like you are jealous that you can't afford the radios over 2k

Enjoy your 746, let the others buy the expensive radios that can, and maybe some of the technology will trickle down to a radio you can afford
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by HB9PJT on September 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
K3WACKY writes: "N2MWE, Sounds like you are jealous that you can't afford the radios over 2k

Enjoy your 746, let the others buy the expensive radios that can, and maybe some of the technology will trickle down to a radio you can afford"

I think N2MWE is right. A lot of the medium priced rigs do so well that higher priced rigs do not bring an advantage. At large antennas we compared a lot of rigs with a switch which changed the speaker and the antenna at the same time. While there are cleare differences to IC-706 and other low end rigs, often we could not heare differences to the high end rigs. We also tested 7800, Orion etc.

For a rig you can spend a lot of money but it has not to be. The performance of medium priced equipment are surprisingly well today!

73, Peter - HB9PJT
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by VE3TMT on September 12, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
When the FT9000 series came out, my first thought was "U-G-L-Y". The FT2000 is a little tamer, but really, how many buttons and knobs do you need. It seems to me that this hobby is getting more into the bragging rights category. Nothing like letting the guy on the other end running a TS520 that you're on the new FT9000 or 756PROIII. If you guys want to plunk down that kind of money for your hobby no problem, but I think the manufacturers are getting away from the majority of the ham population, those who can't afford to sink $3K into a new rig. I had a QSO with a guy the other day on a TS820S. He sounded just as good or better than some of the guys I've heard on the 756's. Now if anyone wants to lend me the funds for a PROIII I would gladly accept, but until then I think the big three need to control their fantasies and make this hobby affordable again.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by N3DRK on September 12, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Why can't the Big Three do what Elecraft has done? The K2's receiver is a down conversion, ham bands only,(with tuning one can receive the shortwave bands)
simple and straightforward and this rig has the hottest receiver around for a nominal price. Look at the receiver specs on the Elecraft or ARRL website and you can see this receiver beats the Orion, Pro Series, and whatever else you can throw at it. The big 160 meter ops are using the K2 over the others and there is a reason for that!

So why can an American company make a bare bones rig for 600 bucks,and if you want the 100 watt amp and tuner another 600 bucks, would someone want to spend $12,000 for a rig which the K2 outperforms? Guess some people like the "big" rigs on their desk with all those knobs.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by N3DRK on September 12, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
AA8X said:

"I’m still waiting for Yaesu to offer a replacement for the outstanding FT-920. Three thousand is much too high for my blood. Come on Yaesu, where is the replacement FT-920 rig? "

You don't think the FT-9000 is a replacement for the Mark V do you? At that price it is the replacement for the FT-920 and the dsp will be just as awful and non-existent as the dsp on the Mark V.
 
RE: TS-480 versis IC--7000 - K0BG  
by N0TONE on September 13, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Alan,

I have used the TS-480 and the IC-706. They are in different leagues. The IC-706 stands as the only radio that I've used that has suffered receiver overload with a short mobile whip, with the preamp turned off. And it has horrible phase noise, very fatiguing to listen to. The IC-706, on a good antenna on a home station, is almost worthless on a contest weekend, as it can't handle all those signals at once in the front end.

The TS-480, on the other hand, has a very good front end, I have used it on a contest weekend on a 6-element Yagi and had no front-end overload issues. The IF filtering is quite superior to the '706 as well. There are quite a few contesters who use the 480 as a home rig; it does the job that well, and has replaced more than a few 756 pro IIs at that task, due to the superior analog IF filtering.

I haven't used an IC-7000 yet. Early commentary on the radio suggested that it was an IC-706 with improved IF DSP and a vastly enhanced display - but the same front-end as the 706, which means still el stinko. However, early commentary may be in error.

Will await your review.

AM
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by W4PSG on September 14, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Makes you wonder when Kenwood is gonna come out with a real radio instead of that ugly TS2000.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by NN6EE on September 14, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"Black-Box" radios were tried before even before "Flex" came on the scene like the "Kachina" made by an outfit in Arizona as I recall, but that company too folded up after a few years because the demand just was'nt there. So what makes anyone out here think that the "Flex" will be anymore successful??? Maybe it's a mindset where guys prefer a solid/hands-on type rig with knobs and a real S-meter and not a dumb bar-graph???

Jim/ee
 
RE: Kenwood Questionable  
by W4CX on September 14, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I agree, and I've often wondered why I, Y, and K crank so much R&D into the ham market and offer such high performance products for bargain basement prices. Yes, $3K is DIRT CHEAP when you compare it to commercial gear! There's no way they can make any money on such slim margins and low volume.

Then a light bulb went on when I realized that the majority of technical specifiers for commercial and public-service (high margin) equipment are hams, too! I'm convinced that the ham lines are subsidized by the commercial lines. Keep the hams happy with your brand, and they'll own you, and recommend you to the municipalities they work for....and where the BIG DOLLARS are earned.

 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by KB5DPE on September 14, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"Yes, $3K is DIRT CHEAP when you compare it to commercial gear!"

Why is commercial gear so expensive? In the words of Bill Clinton: "Because they can!"

Tom KB5DPE
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by KB5DPE on September 14, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Remember, though, "batwing" is the dominant force in commercial two-way radio and they don't have an amateur product. Consider also Harris, Collins (today) and others. They shun the amateur market. The "big three's" penetration into the commercial arena, at least in my area, is miniscule. If that's their strategy, it's not working.

Tom KB5DPE
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by W4CX on September 15, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Could be. But where would they be without it?
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by KG6AMW on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The IC7800, FT9000, FT2000 and the Orion II all over $4 thousand dollars. These rigs have an SUV feel to them. It’s almost as it the manufactures have taken a page from the auto industry to market over grown and over priced rigs to hams gullible enough to shell out $4 thousand bucks plus for slightly above average rigs. The smart prize will go the manufacturer that continues to market a high performance rig for less than $2500 dollars.
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by WP4HVS on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I WROTE TO KENWOOD AND THEY ARE PLANING TO MAKE A NEW MODEL TO REPLACE THE 870 IT WILL BE BY THE END OF NEXT YEARS THANKS I DO LIKE THE FT-2000 AND I A OWNER OF A TS-2000 I BELIEVE I AM STOKE WHIT THIS # 2000 THANKS.
 
RE: TS-480 versis IC--7000 - K0BG  
by FP5CJ on September 17, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
haven't used an IC-7000 yet. Early commentary on the radio suggested that it was an IC-706 with improved IF DSP and a vastly enhanced display - but the same front-end as the 706, which means still el stinko. However, early commentary may be in error.
-------------------------------------------------------
WELL, I AM NOT SURE,SINCE THE IC 703's RX IS SO IMPROVED COMPARED TO THE FIRST 706's SOLD 10 YEARS AGO!(AND THE IC 703 IS THE QRP LOWEST END EVER SOLD FOR AN HF GENERAL COVERAGE TX UNDER 400$!
73
JP
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by KE8PA on September 17, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Quoting the article header: "Yaesu's newest mid-range priced HF rig".
MID-RANGE ??
less than $3000 is mid-range ??
pse define ranges,
need help
BTU
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by NK6R on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Where's the scope? C'mon Yaesu, Kenwood, etc. As far as bang-for-the-buck, put a scope in it, then it >begins< to compare with the PRO series, SHEESH! 73
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by NE0P on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KE8PA Wrote:
"MID-RANGE ??
less than $3000 is mid-range ??"

Sure, I hope that mid range doesn't start at greater than $3000.
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by VE3OKS on September 20, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Well, after reading most of the comments, I wonder why anyone would invest in surface mount technology.
Please bring back a Heathkit proto-type radio we can build with todays technology with out it being surface mount. Have you ever tried to repair these radios. I have a FT-901, FT-847 and a FT-920 and is next to impossible to find a technician that doesn't want to replace entire modules instead of troubleshooting. These rigs are money pits! Also, why doesn't the manufacturer especially Yeasu ever make software for controlling these big rigs?
Anyways, that is mu soapbox minute.
Thanks and have fun with whatever rig you have!!!
Ken
ve3oks
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by AB7YF on September 20, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Yep, I've wondered the same thing. When I was a kid I would repair TVs and radios to make a few extra bucks. Quite simple really - replace a tube, resistor, cap or coil and voila things worked again! But gone are those days - as well as the concept of keeping a rig going for 20+ years. Don't think there's anything we can do about it. Sheesh, one can't even homebrew a decent rig anymore. Sure, I could go and design a toy, but one that competes with one of the modern rigs? Ha! fat chance. Except for little Elecraft. Good job guys - if only more would follow!

73
Harry Reed, AB7YF
 
SMT experimenting and design  
by W4XKE on September 21, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
In my opinion, you could design and build a surface mount tech radio but it wouldn't be worth the anguish unless you just liked doing that sort of thing. You would need to:

1) Design the circuitry
2) Design the boards
3) Calculate component values
4) Choose components and suppliers (comparing prices and minimum order requirements)
5) Acquire all the parts
6) Build the prototype
7) Do research & engineering (remedial troubleshooting and improvements of performance)

When you put a lot of small parts together and run RF through them, you often get unexpected results and values are affected. Just determining that you need a small shield or an extra choke could be a weeks long endeavor.

You would have to accept the same problems other electronics manufacturers have; that being some of the suppliers of your components will stop making them available in a relatively short time. Unless the particular component was a very popular one, you're not likely to find any new-old-stock (NOS) on shelves anywhere.

Personally, I don't want to spend that much time and money on a project that might never work or work well. I am glad that there are those who do however and I quite marvel at their success in the articles we see in QST. Obviously there are a number of people who don't feel as I do and are smarter than me. HI HI

Johnny, W4XKE
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by W6IML on November 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Kenwood is not making any base HF rigs now, or in the forseable future so it is indeed a Yaesu/Icom battle for the Ham dollar. Ten Tec makes a fine HF base rig called the 'Orion', but sales of Orion radios are slim compared to Yaesu and Icom.
I think that had Kenwood paid attention to quality control, not so many would have made the trip to Kenwoods repair facilities.
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by KC5DFP on December 22, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Does anyone know when the radio will be sold in the USA?
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by K3WACKY on February 10, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

by KC5DFP on December 22, 2005

Does anyone know when the radio will be sold in the USA?


as soon as it's available
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by N5VWN on March 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have to agree with that one gentleman's comments about better time spent upgrading the ft840 instead. Keep it under a $1000.00 and make it a decent rig. Keep the analog meter for goodness sakes! Why does Yaesu think we want smaller displays? Icom is eating them up. Just some touch up's here and there. Add a keyer. Some DSP filtering even in the AF chain. But with knobs. Stay away from having to dive into menus and sub menus. We like our knobs and buttons. And shiny things.
de n5vwn
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by KB3KYO on May 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hmm, wonder if it'll sound as good as my FT-102 :-) I see Yaesu is going back to the concentric Shift/Width control, just like the 102 has. Really works well.
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by LA4AMA on May 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Seems like a really nice rig, with a lot of optional equiptment. Digital filters and 3 different roofing filters 3/6/12kHz, but there is still a optional 300/500Hz crystal filter for CW on the SUB receiver. Seems to be very similar to the FT-DX9000 construction.
More info on FT-2000 at http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/0215.html

Seems like it will arrive in Scandinavia around August/September after the CE approval test (similar to FCC test).
 
Yaesu FT-2000  
by KC8YTY on June 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
by reading on the ft2000, i can tell you one thing it beats pants off the pro and mark v radios... this radio is going to be great on the yaesu market... one thing i really like about the radio it has AN ANALOG METER... unlike the icom pro and the mark v radios...plus it has dual receive, roofing filter, dsp, vfr filter, 200 watts or 100watts verison... i'm glad that they made the High-q-u tuning filter and the display optional, because if not the radio would probably be over $3800.... plus it gives other hams an option on what they want... if i would by the radio today i would want everything.... to me this radio is well worth $3000.00.... but every ham know's when a new radio comes out there always a bug or two.... when this radio comes out in july or august... i'll wait about 6 months to make sure they have all the bugs worked out, if there is any to begain with... if all the bugs are worked out by than.... i'm glad to say i'll be a happy owner of a new ft2000 yaesu 73' michael
 
RE: Yaesu FT-2000  
by WW0H on June 12, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
How to use vocabulary and jargon to make your point:

Midrange:
High End radios = $10,000+
Midrange radios = $10,000 - $1,500
Entry level radios = Less than $1,500

That gives you quite a bit of play in calling something "midrange" doesn't it?

I've had my Kenwood TS 430S since 1983; as much as I might like to get an IC-7800, even a $3,000 sounds a little high to me, but I keep dreaming.

Now, if they would quit giving my Powerball winnings to other people, I'd be set.

John
WW0H
 
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