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Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi

Bryon "Paul" Veal (N0AH) on September 16, 2005
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I have been in Mississippi since September 5th as an ARRL member and volunteer for the Red Cross and Salvation Army.

There has been next to none health and welfare trafficking on the HF bands.

Most of our work here in Hattiesburg, MS, 80 miles north of the coast, has been feeding the poor and hungry. Katrina was a Category 2 Hurricane when it hit here with 120 MPH winds. Most signs, trees, and infrastructure here and in the area are significantly damaged or destroyed.

We use our radios to work with the emergency response vehicles (ERVs) to stay in contact with the kitchen where our net control is located.

We go out in these trucks that look like an ambulance on steroids, and serve food. We look for people who need medication and those without clean water etc....

The children are the hardest part of this job. There are a lot of biting bugs and some kids coming in for a meal are pasted with bites. Most communities are filled with fallen trees and extensive damage. They are just now getting power back to a limited degree.

We report of this in. We helped load mobile kitchens, with up to 500 hot meals, and we put in 14-16 hour days helping to pas them out. This is what we do with the majority of our time.

Many of us showed up with generators, HF systems, etc. When all we really needed was a 50-watt VHF rig, a handheld, and a chainsaw.

In other words, if you are looking for a burning 747 on the beach, you'll get frustrated and go home. Leave your pride there at the house before you get on the road.

Starting with just two hams, we now have a core group here of 12-16 hams with 3-4 rotating in and out. I am the longest-term ham remaining. I plan to rotate out soon to let a new volunteer ham come in as my replacement.

We built a great communication network with Red Cross centers, the ERVs, and other stations. Come this Saturday, the kitchens are moving out and so are our ERVs.

In other words, we will soon be finished with our mission in Hattiesburg.

Some of us have served between 3,000-5,000 meals. Two percent of our time has been spent on the radio except for net control.

We have slept on the floor of the Red Cross Center offices, as there is no room for us in the shelter. Two nights ago, I slept in the copier room. -- So much for bringing my tent. We eat shelter food and we blend into the town.

You'll see a lot of Army National Guard. -- A lot of choppers. -- Many convoys of electrical truck contractors and ANG. But that is it for excitement. The damage is something to see but that wears off after a day or two.

This is not about ham radio as much as it is about people skills. Volunteer and your ham skills will most likely be needed somewhere. Church groups in particular. Join an existing Red Cross group, and you will be surprised by what you can do. And don't hold back all because you hold a lower class ticket.

Realize that you will be in the middle of several thousand volunteers. You might have little to do unless you look for opportunities.

My advice is to wait, as everyone gets rotated out. And realize that this will be a very long effort of volunteers to help rebuild this state. Mississippi has been devastated. Please consider coming down with you VHF rig(s).

Contacting the ARRL is a good place to begin as they supply hams to the Red Cross.

It is not exciting thrill action work. But it is steady consistent urgent work that needs help -- And you will be rewarded at your efforts many times over.

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Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KF6FRL on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Nice honest summary of the situation in the South. For all those who may not have a chance to thank you - thanks for your long hours and excellent attitude!
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by K0EWS on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for sharing your experiences, and thanks for your work. Be safe, and be well. God Bless.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by K0BG on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
You hit at least one nerve with me. Just last night, I was watching a report on satellite news from a TV station in Baton Rouge, I believe it was. In the background was some nut trying his best to get on TV. He had two or three HTs hanging from his belt. This wouldn't necessarily identify him as an amateur radio operator, but the hard hat with a rubber ducky mounted on top was a dead giveaway! As you pointed out, the REALITY of the situation is that most of the activity is not playing amateur radio; it's hard work and plenty of it.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by W9JDH on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Many thanks to you and all the other volunteers down in the affected area. This brings up another subject about volunteering. In light of all that has happened with this disaster, it shows a need to 'cross-train' with all served agencies to become familiar with their operations. While we may not necessarily be operating radios, there are many other tasks we might be assigned, and if we are familiar with other disaster operations, the job will be that much easier and effective.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by K4RAF on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
What is sad is that your story will never be published in QST or the website because you told the truth about actual experiences. Those are simply not the tales of "all happy faces, all the time" that so blankets the ARRL's public persona.

I find your story far more credible than any news stories or ARRL pressers since you never put 'I' in teamwork. I salute your efforts, sacrifice & dedication to reporting reality vs. fantasy by actually putting a hobby aside & being a human being first.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by AA4PB on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I think that what you are saying is that communications is only needed at certain times and when it is needed you are there. When it is not needed you help out with other tasks like serving meals. I applaud you for your willingness to do whatever it takes to help out rather than insisting that you are the "radio operator" and refusing to lend a hand in other areas. Too bad we can't find a way to clone you :-)
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KC0SHZ on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Good points, congratulations to you and your partners.

Two things that resonated with me:

1. The need to get HAM volunteers cross-trained, or at least oriented to the idea that when you go out, you may end up doing more of some other task and less of radio. This has happened to me on a number of volunteer activities I have done here. I end up doing first aid, developing cooling strategies for overheated cyclists, helping with food and water, and other non radio tasks. All very important to the mission at hand.

2. We think about high tech radios and we forget about the simple aspects of the task at hand. We have a well developed MMRS system here. The last two activations, we had a hospital forget where the equipment was or forget that they were part of it. On the first activation, we had a biohazard drill and non-medical hams stumbled over words like "pertussis" and "diptheria". A simple addition of a medical dictionary to the station bags and a stable awareness of where the equipment is would have solved both problems.

73
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by K9NYO on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you for your efforts and sharing your story.

God Speed DE K9NYO
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KC8VWM on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

You sir, are a shining example of why I feel proud to be part of the amateur radio community.

Pablo, I salute you.


Charles - KC8VWM
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WB2WIK on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Sad but great story.

Sounds like they need more volunteers, but not necessarily more communications. Not so unusual, especially two weeks after the event.

I'm sure all are thankful for your hard work and that of your co-volunteers who made the extraordinary effort to "be there," and help. For those who can't be there but still want to help, make a donation or get on a list of sponsor households who might put a roof over the heads of a family in need for a while.

Although a few days later than the disaster victims had hoped, there has been a great turnout of volunteers helping Katrina survivors in many ways. It's really been great.

Keep up the good work!
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6BFH on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Seems like a good way we can explain and promote Ham radio to the lay public.

A couple of weekends ago I was chatting with a neighbor of mine about the “build up” of Ham operators planning to head for the Gulf Coast. She said that she wished there was something she could do. I will now tell her what turned out to be needed. I will also tell her that I could have kept her in touch with her husband if she had decided to go.

I was prompted a couple weeks ago to use QRZ.com to see how many Hams live very close to me. I thought it might be nice to do “a little networking” should we have our own disaster some day to come. I found seven listed hams that are within a 10 minute walk from my house. Most had “look-ups” on QRZ of about a dozen or so. I rode my bike around by each home. Only one has an antenna up, and it is very close to the roof. It is a Cushcraft Ringo on 6 or maybe 10 Meters (maybe 11 Meters). I keep checking the house and will talk to the occupants when I have the opportunity.

My main point is, most of these listed Hams are not active, some are in their 80’s or 90’s. Of the 7 Hams I found, 8 including me -- that means that either 13% maybe 25% are actively on the radio!
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by AK2B on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by N6AJR on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Great article and congrats on a valiant effort, Good Job, my friend..

 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by ARRLFAN on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Thx for your honea feeling that your story will soon be pulled since it does not have any of the flair that other stories have that ARRL and QST and this site likes to pontificate...

stories with headlines like --

PRESIDENT BUSH HAS AIR FORCE ONE RELAY MESSAGE TO GOVENOR THROUGH HAM OPERATOR ..

OR

WHILE ALL COMMS ARE DOWN - HAM RADIO GETS THROUGH

..

The best thing that came out of Katrina (if one could say that without being cruel) is that we finally proved the point that our days of being a SERVICE is long gone .. we provided virtually nothing to help the situation except for some great hams that volunteered their time and service to the cleanup -- and to that i say bravo...

another thing that Katrina will do is give tons of ammo to the "no code" folks in that they should climb up on their soapbox and say -- if we could have had a general class license we could have done more to help...




 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by AA4PB on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
ARRLFAN, you are either completely isolated from reality or a complete idiot! How in the world could anyone read the reports of what has been going on and take away the idea that this disaster proves that amateur radio is no longer needed? Perhaps you are just completely blinded by your hatred of the ARRL.

When you ride along with one of those mobile vans with your mobile radio they don't need you talking on the radio the entire time, I'm sure. There are short periods of time when communications is essential followed by long periods when it is not needed. People like Pablo help out by doing other tasks during radio quiet times instead of sitting around watching others work. That does not mean that the services of amateur radio are not needed. What Pablo reports is exactly the same as it was when I was involved with the Camile effort - nothing has changed except that we now have some new technology and better radios.
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WF7A on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
As with the others, Pablo, I doff my hat to you; you are indeed a hero in every sense of the word.

Admittedly, I'm a little puzzled why a ham would bring an HF rig to a disaster zone: they use up more power, are bulkier to carry around, require bigger or better antenna provisions (to make them efficient), etc. That, and the "treasure factor"--how many hams would be willing to bring their IC-7800s into a disaster area? VHF/UHF rigs should be _de rigueur_ in any disaster area, with hams further out using the HF equipment to pass traffic out of the area.

From what you said, Pablo, and what I've heard about comm problems there, Maybe we ought to add to our emergency kits portable solar panels (to recharge batteries), portable cots and/or hammocks, battery clips (to connect rigs to car or motorcycle batteries), and a couple of MREs and bottles of water. Put 'em all in a Pelican (watertight and floatable) case and you're good to go.

And as for the rig-carrying guy who tried to be seen on TV? Well, he _is_ a ham... :S

Ciao,
Rich, WF7A
(former ARES EC of San Diego County)
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by AA4PB on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I'm a little puzzled why a ham would bring an HF rig to a disaster zone
----------------------------------------------------
Suppose you need to provide comms to an EOC located 100 plus miles away and the repeaters in the area are all out of service. Certainly most people are going to be needed on VHF but I would also be prepared for HF unless I was specifically told in advance that they already had enough HF equipment.
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by VE3ES on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Great story. Direct from the front lines so to speak. Ken VE3MNY took time off from his job at a Chrysler plant in Windsor, Ontario, Canada to head to Mississippi to assist. His reports back home talk of the devastation and utter hopelessness that so many residents in the area are faced with. He does add that the ham radio community who are in the area are working hard in unreal conditions and they are actually doing some good.

As for the guy with all the HTs on his belt and a rubber duck sticking out of his hard hat. There was a photo being passed around via e-mail some time ago of a ham with a half dozen HTs, scanners, etc, hanging from the belt wrapped around his size 54 (or thereabouts) waist, with a way too small reflective vest with an ARES logo on it, a hard hat with a rubber duck on his head, stuffing a hot dog into his gob with one hand while the other hand had a large pop in it, and in the back ground the wreckage of a house as it was burning to the ground with police, fire and ambulance personnel tending to their duties. The caption read something like, "ARES. Fifty years of getting in the way". Loved it. I think this guy and a few thousand of his relatives show up every year at the Dayton Hamvention!

But back to reality, great effort by all who are actually doing something unlike the rest of us who are sitting back playing Monday morning quarterback.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6BFH on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

An interesting comment about HF there!

When I was a RACES officer in another county, the ARES contingent, with which we were allied, did an 80 Meter net every Sunday morning at 08:00 local time {they considered 80 Meters the epitome of communications bands}. By about 08:20 the “D” layer absorption was so bad (just about the time Net Control started asking for check-ins) that nobody could hear one another. My repeater covered nearly all of the county “full-quieting”, and I could talk to the bulk of our local response area (a 25 mile radius) with 10 Watts on 2 Meter FM simplex!
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by AA4PB on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
John, I'm just thinking about my local area here. It's about 75 miles to the EOC. Sure I can do it with 2M simplex if I have a yagi on a tower but if the tower is down or I'm just coming into the area to help then what? I can string up a wire dipole and make the link on 75M at night or 40M during most of the day. Heck, if need be I can go on 20M and get someone in California to relay. Its a quick way to get up and running until someone can get a repeater or good 2M fixed site on the air again.

Monitoring the HF nets I heard quite a number of HF stations on the air from the affected area. Some were even able to assist in getting rescue personnel to stranded people. HF is just one more tool that can be used. I sure wouldn't leave it setting at home any more than I'd leave my 2M stuff behind.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by AE6IP on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent work.

Carry on.
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KD6WKY on September 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Looks like opportunities to help will be aplenty for sometime to come.

Planning a volunteer trip next Spring.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6BFH on September 17, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Ah, my work is never done.

73, Pedro Negro
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by K5SF on September 17, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Pablo,

Thanks for helping with the Satern net and going to Pascagoula as well to check out the situation there. Our group was in Long Beach to the south of you.

One of the things that has to be brought up is the massive confusion. It is to be expected. Jackson MS SA was operating on missing and sometimes incorrect information. When those things happen, the Amateur must be flexible and begin helping the agency and help train them, to make the links to Red Cross, the EOC and other volunteer agencies in the local area. Without those linkages confusion abounds.

All too often, food or other needed items would be wasted becase a need was not identified. It is the first thing we had to do when we got there. Thus we identified a liason and within the first day had him connected to all the agencies in the area, this let us put food to shelters and volunteer organizations that would have gone without because they were not affiliated with the Salvation Army and didn't know where to go.

As you have said, the task is slow and sometimes tedious, The ability to make linkages between the agencies pays off the most by being able to shift opportunities to need. That is the real reward and it is the real task.

Best wishes
Rich
K5SF
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by K3WVU on September 17, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
AA4PB,
Actually, both the possibilities you mentioned about 'arrlfan' are true.

arrlfan isn't a Ham. He appears to be a "Walter Mitty" type who enjoys coming on a Ham forum and pretending to be one. His screen name is just the latest in a series of fomerly banned posters, ie., ghostriderhf, imbackhf, k4fau and others. He never has anything of substance to add to any thread.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by ARRLFAN on September 17, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Looks like ARRL has ran to congress already in order to ask for more money to better ham radio support during disasters...

10 to 1 every cent goes toward new office furniture in CT...

 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by AE5X on September 17, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
You've got a great call sign for working in a flooded area.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6BFH on September 18, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Do you guys realize the idiocy of most of your comments?
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by ARRLFAN on September 18, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
WA6BFH -

No -- please enlighten us oh master of all things ham!!
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by W1RFI on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
> 10 to 1 every cent goes toward new office furniture in CT...

That would be nice, actually. I have had the same desk at ARRL HQ for 15 years now. I did buy a $150 office chair at Office Max a few years back when the other one pretty much died.

But the funds you are so all-knowing about are going to be sent to help defray some of the costs of ham volunteers going to the disaster area.

If I need a new desk, I will buy one of of the Lab budget next year. I can tell how deeply concerned you are that ARRL husband its resources carefully, so if I need a new desk, I promise you it will be a modest one. :-)

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by W9WHE-II on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
One of the first HONEST reports concerning what hams are REALLY doing. And I salute the author for BOTH his honesty AND his assistance to victims.

He deserves our salute.

W9WHE

 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by NI0C on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE:
Although I've disagreed with you on many issues, I completely agree with your post to our friend Paul, N0AH. We indeed have some common ground.

Paul, N0AH-- thanks for your work and your report.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by K2GW on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent report. Flexibility and cross training is what the ARRL's ARECC courses emphasize right from Level 1

I spent two weeks in Florida after Hurricane Andrew with the Red Cross. My comm specialty was less needed at that point as commercial comms were being restored, so I used my Mass Care skills to drive a Red Cross ERV giving out meals in Coral Gables, Kendal and Homestead. I did have my HT with me, but since we had a good 47.42 set-up at the warehouse, I used the 47.42 radio in the ERV to communicate our location about 5 times a day.

We're here to help the victims through our served agencies, normally with our comm skills but doing whatever we're trained for and asked to do. Jim Haynie tells the story of helping after the Witchita tornado getting a broadcast station turned on so the the officials could get info to the victims.

Playing ham radio is what we do when we're not activated.

73

Gary Wilson
Southern New Jersey Section Emergency Coordinator
ARRL
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by AB7JK on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
It's good to want to do good works and help others but America has degenerated to the point where few people are worth saving.

Most of the poor have no desire to help themseves. Being helpless is mostly a state of mind - they are conditioned to be helpless and no psychologist can program them to think differently. The more you help them the worse they become.

Then there are the "haves" - hard working and well meaning but too easily manipulated and made to feel guilty. Can't say no to their family, the media or others who so easily press their buttons. They are not safe either because they are subject to the strongest influences which are seldom right.

There is a future coming that few people can comprehend. Only people awake, aware, self disciplined, and strong have a chance to see their way through.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KG4YUO on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
As I understand it, most of the really big towers are still up, but the antennas that were on them are somewhat north of their original locations. Please understand, this is in Pascagoula, Biloxi, Gulfport, all along the coast. I haven't been working with anybody up Hattisburg way.

As of late last week, the guys over in Bay St. Louis were trying to get an echolink station set up. By now, I suppose they have it, but I haven't heard.

Right now, the cell phone coverage in the coastal areas is hit or miss (not realible), the land line stuff is not much better.

Bottom line, for the first few days at least (about 14 calendar days), the HF stuff was pretty useful, and thankyou to any that brought some in.

David
KG4YUO (in Mobile, Al.) and we're fine over here.



 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KC5R on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Great synopsis, Pablo. You guys sound like you've done a great job. Here's my story from Louisiana (St. Tammany Parish), which is 30 miles north of New Orleans.

I helped out the SE Louisiana efforts around my home in Covington, LA and found the same items. I got a late start, as I had to make some repairs to my QTH and stayed away from the area the first week. For the next week and a half, a group of folk here provided communication between Red Cross shelters, until the EOC was up with all communications (it took almost 3 weeks). The group set-up a temporary repeater, and either through HF relays or directly, we linked up most of the New Orleans area.

While I did pass a number of messages while stationed at one of the red cross shelters, I more often helped out the shelter manager in moving boxes,stocking water & ice, giving rides to some shelter folks to help them get out to relatives, setting up internet connections (when we finally got a computer and phone line), helping to rescue animals abandoned in nearby damaged houses, and just general items. There was rarely a dull moment.

One thing to expand upon is that their could be better coordination between the Red Cross, Hams, and other agencies, atleast in this area. The ham group was fairly well organized, but I do not think that the Red Cross master plan for these disasters includes ham radio in the "playbook". In fact, a group of hams were sent to shelters that were non-existant, since one red cross EOC had misinformation on it's existance. Another one did not get the proper paperwork to allow him "overnight" authority south of the lake, so he had to return. Maybe this was just poor "inter-Red Cross" communications. I hope this can be improved.

We managed to work through most things, and may have even saved a life, when an operator stationed at a remote hospital with no land-line communication, was able to get a message to a larger facility that a critical patient needed immediate transport for surgery.

In all, it is an experience that is a positive one for this ham for 27 years. It's like playing field day for a week, with bigger stakes.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by W1RFI on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Great stuff, all, and my congratulations and appreciation to those that went there.

I can't speak for the QST editor, but I would suggest that hams with personal experience in the disaster-relief efforts should write a short piece and submit it to QST Correspondence at qst@arrl.org. I think that a wide range of experiences will help ham radio do an even better job next time. Send a cc to me (just because I am interested) and a copy to news-editor N1RL@arrl.org and to your ARRL divison director.

Ed Hare, W1RFI

 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KB9LED on September 19, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
80% of success is just showing up!

Thank you.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KC0TUD on September 21, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
AB7JK:
I have never felt the need to add to the ridiculous discourse that follows the sometimes decent articles posted here. This happened to be a decent article and you try to wreck it with your poison.

You sir, have a twisted view of humanity. I hope that when a disaster happens to your community that we do not live in a nation of people who think like you.

Perhaps you need to get out and widen your view.

Good luck in life.

KC0TUD
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6CDE on September 21, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
This is really where its at... you want your money to go to real people and not be subject to overhead costs... unlike the red cross or others... then this is the place to send your checks too... its time to help those who were helping others and lost theirs... while they were out... you have to remember they too have property which is not owned by the government... and at today�s pay... are going to have to struggle to make ends meet... but, you never see them ask for anything... true Americans... proud and honorable...

I sent my donation to them.... for all the good that the hurricane hunters have provided and the lives they saved... So if you really want to help... this is just one place that you can.... Least we not forget...

we got this from them...

The men and women of Keesler Air Force Base are extremely grateful for the assistance and aid you have provided over the past few weeks. Your assistance, kind words and prayers helped us make it through a tremendously trying time.

The Gulf Coast and Keesler AFB are entering a new phase of recovery. We no longer need the basic humanitarian aid that has been pouring in so generously. Our needs have now taken new form. If you want to contribute to those members of the Keesler community hardest hit by Hurricane Katrina, one way you can help is by sending gift cards from home improvement and retail stores so our Airmen and their families can purchase the necessities to help rebuild their homes and replace basic clothing. In addition you may provide monetary assistance through our family support center.

The Keesler AFB Family Support Center has established an account to receive and distribute funds received from other military members and their families for active duty victims of Hurricane Katrina at Keesler. If you are interested in making a monetary donation, please make checks payable to the �Family Support Center.� Mail checks to:

81 MSS/DPF
Attn: Maj. Teresa Roberts
500 Fisher Street, Room 112
Keesler AFB MS 39534
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by NI0C on September 21, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KC0TUD:
That was very well put and needed to be said.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in California  
by WA6CDE on September 22, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Wow... talk about being ready for a natrual event... here in calif we have earthquakes and floods... (just had a 4.9 in centeral calif.) and with all the happenings that have been going on down back east... I decided to see if our own states' system was up to it... and guess what I found...

The red Cross said... well!!!! we don't know...

OES said... ahhhh!!!! Ya I guess were ready.... but, don't know how its going to happen... as they have no directives or actual approved state goverment plan...

I called the CARS group.. (Caltrans Ama Radio System) which is the states transportation DOT's backup... and the gent said.. Well!!! were ready... but again... no equipment, money or actual goverment directives which they can operate under... were trying to get something togeather to present to the gov or director so they can get APPROVAL... he said...

I went through the list... and the only ones that seemed to have their act togeather is the Sal Army radio group...

The rest seems to reside on the use of cell phones and commercial services... and the use of hams seems not to be in the mix...

I was going to call the governors office and ask if he knew about what happended down in LA and now texas... and what he thought about the system here in Calif really not being trained and ready to go into service...

Clearly it seems that on paper the system is in place.. but, in actuality like all other political things... its just a paper tiger with no teeth... and when a event such as a earthquake or flood happens... well... like chickens with their heads cut off... running around... clearly they will be pointing fingers at each other saying it was your job... while the city and its people go down the drain...

From all indications it appears as though its all about the money... and jobs... Saddly... not about the welfare of the people...

I hope I missed some agency which is supposed to and does have their ducks in a row... but, after spending a couple of hours checking around... ahhhhh don't find 'em...

So how is it in your state... do you or yours have a action plan which desginates ham radio as a backup system ... and considered as a asset instead of a bunch of boy toys... ???
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KILOWATT on September 22, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Pablo....

In previous threads, most of us hams were told to "stay away" and leave the relief effort to the experts unless we were trained in RACES or ARES or whatever.

Someone give us a straight story! Do you want our help or are we all supposed to be trained in some "over-grown-boyscout" pseudo-emergency club?

Signed
OH-so-confused

Kilowatt
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by W1RFI on September 23, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
> I went through the list... and the only ones that
> seemed to have their act togeather is the Sal Army
> radio group...

IMHO, the Salvation Army is great, and I manage to find ways to contribute to them any chance I get, from tossing in loose dollars in the bottom of my pocket every time I walk past the bell ringer, to taking anything I no longer need to the nearest Salvation Army thrift store instead of throwing away good items at the curbside. (Although those seem to go away on their own, too.)

I cry when I see the unwanted excercycles by the side of the road, because each one could represent $25 to the Salvation Army. Whenever I can, they go into the back of the pickup truck and off to the Army.

The one that amazes me, though, is that some of the residents in my town drive them to the town recycle center and pay money to toss them in the metal bin instead of driving the same distance to the Salvation Army thrift store. Into the back of the truck they go, and I take the tax writeoff! :-)

Ed, W1RFI
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KILOWATT on September 23, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
>IMHO, the Salvation Army is great, and I manage to find ways to contribute to them any chance I get, from tossing in loose dollars in the bottom of my pocket every time I walk past the bell ringer, to taking anything I no longer need to the nearest Salvation Army thrift store instead of throwing away good items at the curbside. (Although those seem to go away on their own, too.)

I cry when I see the unwanted excercycles by the side of the road, because each one could represent $25 to the Salvation Army. Whenever I can, they go into the back of the pickup truck and off to the Army.

The one that amazes me, though, is that some of the residents in my town drive them to the town recycle center and pay money to toss them in the metal bin instead of driving the same distance to the Salvation Army thrift store. Into the back of the truck they go, and I take the tax writeoff! :-)

Ed, W1RFI<



Ed....

In my area, on an annual basis the Salvation Army asks for donations to underprivileged children in the form of Christmas gifts. In years past, you brought them any toy that your own children had lost interest in and that was good enough. Now they insist that the toy be "New and in its original and unopened box." Basically they want us all to buy new presents for the underpriviledged.

I have enough children to buy for in my own family and circle of friends. How dare a supposed charity organization get picky about what it receives!!

In my opinion....beggars can't be choosers. They should take what they're offered and be happy for what they get!

If I seem down on charitable organizations, please understand that I grew up in total poverty. My father was a blue collar working stiff with eight children and no one.....NO ONE....ever gave him or our family a break. We all grew up and made our own....semi-successful....ways in the world.

How dare a charity make demands upon its donors. Disgusting and despicable!!!

As for the Red Cross??? Well....I was also a soldier and I could tell horror stories about the atrocities that I've seen them commit against our military members.

Got no use for them either.

The media just loves to hype these supposed "charitable organizations". Too bad most of you haven't experienced the B.S. that comes from these liars. They're businesses. Nothing more. They don't give a flip about the American citizen and they care even less for the American soldier. Take that from an ex-American soldier.

Kilowatt
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KB9X on September 25, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I worked with Paul in Hattiesburg. I want to make two comments in this thread. Pardon the late entry, but I just returned home.

Someone asked why so many of us brought HF radio equipment. The answer to that question is very straightforward: the "report for duty" communication that we received from ARRL said that the need was for hams that could set up an HF station and be self-sufficient. Thus, many of us filled our vehicles with food, water, and HF gear. I suspect that from the 20 hams deployed in Hattiesburg we could have built 30 complete HF stations. I never opened a box of food or water, and I never touched any of the HF gear that I brought. But I brought it because that's what I was led to believe would be needed.

Which brings me to the other comment. The most important single thing you can bring to an operation like this is flexibility. You always have expectations about what you're going to be doing. For many of us, it was a mental picture of camping on the beach after erecting a dipole and getting an HF station going. As it turned out, for the vast majority of volunteers, the need was for tactical communications on 2 meters. What one must do in this case is abondon the expectations and pitch in to do what needs to be done.

This is not always easy. I saw five different hams "flame out" because they were unable to abandon their expectations. And, in fact, that's not all bad . . . if you come to do something, and that something isn't available, better to take action to try to do what you feel you want to do than to poison the operation by trying to undercut the people who are doing what needs to be done.

Others in the thread have said this, but radio communication skills often are not the most important contribution in an operation like this. You may find yourself communicating 10% of the time and dishing meals 90% of the time. If you cling to the old maxim [pun intended] that the only thing that a ham radio volunteer should do is handle communications, please stay away from the Gulf coast.

And if you're just there to play with your shiny ham toys, please find somewhere else to play. If it's not already obvious from Paul's original words and others' followups, this is the "real deal". I saw only a few hams who were basically on a camping trip to play with toys, and they contributed nothing to the effort.

One last suggestion to the ARRL staff reading this thread: Let's build a database of potential volunteers for disaster and their capabilities. If the Red Cross can do it, we can too. ARRL's response was gratifying -- it is via the ARRL that I was able to find the opportunity to help -- but it would have been so much better, more effective, and timely if planning had been done in advance. Then basically you "flip a switch" and notify the people who have skills that match what is needed. That's what the Red Cross is able to do, and why they are able to respond quickly and effectively, moving manpower and equipment to where it's needed. Katrina isn't the last of this kind of disaster (hello, Rita) and ARRL needs to get the work done BEFORE the event.

73 from Steve, KB9X in Albert Lea, MN
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6CDE on September 26, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
It makes me wonder.... about hams serving in soup kitchen lines... what are they really good for... when if the powers to be would instead ask some of the people displaced... if they would want to work... serving others... and then have the red cross pay them ... mc D's wages... makes more sense to me than to have some ham drive all the way across the country to do the same without pay... in most cases...

Then again what do these people do all day that are in the refugee camps... sit around and play cards...

Clearly from the two storms hitting different locations... on the news were seeing texans with six shooters strapped to their hips... seems almost all of them have some sort of RV to live in or out of... and why you would think they all own two or three chain saws... clearning the road so they can get back to home... while the residents of BR appeard to all be sitting on their butts waiting for someone to come along and take them by the hand...

The two prespectives are as different as day and night... in one case you have people doing for themselves... in the other...yelling "WE NEED HELP" seems to be the major thrust...

Yet now were hearing that hams are not needed for commucations... the red cross instead used them for cheep labor while they got paid to work.. hams were not... and so were just part of the labor force to spoon feed the others... three times a day... why thats like saying your going to take a engineer and have him do dishes after the masses finish eating... that sounds real efficent... huh...

Clearly it is looking like the goverment/agencies are not up for the task at hand... thank goodness as time passes... they hope people will forget... and just get on with life... till the next event...

So many resources waisted and not used efficently... but, I guess if you throw enough money at the problem... something will happen... hmmmm...
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by N4XLE on September 27, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The overiding thread here of people who were there and what they did to help their fellow man swamps the other dribble! These voluteers could all pass the acid test for providing assistance: people on the receiving end would testify to the good they did. All of us should take a lesson from this and simply thank them and leave it at that.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by W9WHE-II on September 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
This article reveals the REALITY of disaster relief. Disaster relief is largely a labor intensive effort. The minimal contributions that communications and ham radio can make, given the nature of the actual needs, mean that what disasters really need is labor, not radios. People to rescue, not jabber on the radio.


When food, water, shelter, clothing and medical care are the needs, ham radio does not have much to contribute. NOW I know many of you emcom "radio-hero" types will be angry with me, but the reality is accurately portrayed by this article.

W9WHE
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6CDE on September 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE...
You have got to be kidding right.... when you said that ham radio has no meaning when food, shelter and aid are needed...

How they heck do you think the information gets out that one needs help... what ya think by yelling your going to be heard 25 or 50 miles away... your comment is about the dumbest thing I have ever read... clearly you have never been in a disaster or event where you need all the resouces you can get... and that includes commucations with the outside... who are awaiting your request for materials, supplies and action...

In one case the ham radio operator was actually working with the administrator and handing off the incoming calls from field people... to a plotter who then posted them on a board so the people who are in charge can make educated decisions... Now how do you think he got these messages from the field people... by ESP... duhhhh...

Sorry you way out of line... when the red cross canablized the ham radio operators and put them in the trenches to do manual labor instead of their job... I think I would have packed up my radio and gone home... sure its other duties as needed... but, that is not what your their for... and if they don't have the system set up so as to use the commucations.. then either the event is over or you have a dummy leading the group...

In our rememberance of the 89 event... it was the ham radio operators who were physically dropped into the effected area... they set up a station.. and started commucating with the outside... as a base... this lead person checked the airport and its runways... and reported back... (one reason that the GA airfields and others should be placed on the emergency action list and protected from housing developements which eventually cause their closure... then as more hams were brought in... by private aircraft... they expanded the go look see area... these were trained emt's as well as hams who assisted them... but, their purpose was to commucate what the emt wanted... and when... Others went with people who could evaluate what was needed... the hams then commucated this back to the base which then contacted the outside corrdinator.. who throuh a system of other hams... started to gather what was needed... figured out on which private plane items could be most effectly placed for delivery to the impacted area... The system worked for 3 days... that way... and every 3 hours a staff meeting was held by the corrdinators to review and make changes in the airlifting and/or supplies needed... people airlifted ot that were injured to hospitals.. again who also pressed hams into operation so they knew what, who was coming or needed... several doctors also then went into the effected area.. and by their side was a ham as well as a PA or nurse who also could admin help and aid...

So don't tell me that ham radio doesn't have a place in responding to the needs... when it doesn't any more... and they again only need "LABOR" to serve... then the event is over... and everyone should head back to home... as the red cross should ask refugees to also help... something I havn't seen done the first time... in TX most residents ... were taking care of themselves... and from the reports back... didn't wait for someone to had it to 'em... they got out the chain saws and started cleaning up... instead of whining about how no one is helping them... Maybe if the Red Cross would put some of these whineers to work.. they would seek their own level... and slide off... but, it has always bothered me that a red cross employee gets paid for their being... while the volenteers get little or nothing... and yet the victums are treated as if they are kids... and not able to do somethings for themselves... when they should be asked if they want to work... and have the red cross instead of just handing out money freely... pay them for helping others... after all they are right their... hmmmm...

Oh well... just my two cents worth... but, you kinda pived me off when you said ham radio takes second seat... when others need help... without out it...or some form of comm you would have no help... because no one would know... hmmmmm...
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by K0GV on September 28, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
WA6CDE,

I'll take you up on your flame baiting.

I notice that your call isn't in the database. I wonder what your real call is.....hmmmmm....

The Red Cross did not force anyone into labor. We enthusiastically volunteered. The group of 26 hams I was associated with in Hattiesburg, MS worked long and hard on communications and in serving people in need. Being out in a mobile feeding ERV, seeing the good kind people that had the misfortune of being in the wrong place and having their world torn apart, the grown men and women in tears just because you could give them a hot meal, some juice or an MRE. These images will not soon be forgotten. I was amazed at the number of people I offered a hot meal to that had no home left, no power and no transportation and their response was "thank you sir, but give that to someone that needs it more than I do". These folk in the affected area are a hardworking proud people.

As for your cracks about putting these people to work I suggest you have never really seen inside a shelter have you? The shelters I saw were mostly empty during the day because most of the people had gone to their jobs or were trying to piece their lives back together. There were more children in the shelters than normal because their schools had been either torn to pieces or had no power or potable water.

Count me as an amateur radio operator, second, and a human being, first. I was proud to serve meals and I would do it again. I also saw many amateur radio operators that did much more than I and I can say with all confidence that the 8 Red Cross ERVs, three command centers and six family service centers had outstanding communications due to the efforts of this team, all while we served somewhere around 50,000+ hot meals, many MREs, water, juice, delivered ice to diabetics to help keep their insulin safe, got medical attention to those that needed it such as those on oxygen that had no power and empty tanks, brought infant supplies to those in the country that had no transporation to the city or nearest undamaged store to get supplies and in general offerred help and succor where we could.

I will ask this, if there is ever a disaster here in the Twin Cities and it affects my family I sincerely ask you not to come. We don't need your "ham cowboy" attitude getting in the way of true disaster relief efforts. I would beg for the Hattiesburg group to get here as fast as they can to provide rock solid comm along with equal doses of caring and hard labor.

Finally, for those with the time to volunteer, the ARRL and Red Cross are still looking for volunteers to go to the affected areas. The devastation is hard to imagine and efforts will be needed for weeks to come.

Darryl Ponder
K0GV
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6CDE on September 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Darryl Ponder
K0GV
.... well sir... I would ask only a few questions... and that is ... what the hell did you go down their for... to be a cook or a radio operator... sound to me like you didn't have your act togeather, represented your self as trained raido operator... and thus were really in the way so they put you out to pasture... come on confess you really don't know much about radio and emercency comm or disaster org structure huh... (similar to what I may add is your ability to desern facts from impulse... such as your wrote ...

I notice that your call isn't in the database. I wonder what your real call is.....hmm

Clear you are missing the complete story... and similar to my ham call... you missed checking the one place where it counts... duhhhhh... (are you out serving lunch again)

I also would ask.. how many really didn't want your so called "hot meal" of wonderful MRE's which are fit for dogs if you can get them to eat 'em... MRE's better known as goverment land fill.. and thinking your next words were... "that'll be $3.99.... for the meal and $1.25 for the drink... " Again your fact were distorted because of your own uptake on what a refugee should be... they probably didn't want a damm thing from the red cross.. so that they would be indebted to it... and they sure as hell know that they didn't want a stinking MRE... You would have done better to get meals on wheels to deliver pizza or big mac's.... Your right these are proud people in Texas and upper LA... and they sure as hell didn't want anything from you... or the RC...like they did in the service... you truly are ate up with the red cross and its business like attitudes... No... No.. don't take my word for it.. go ask on the air... take a poll and see how many hams who have been through a war conflict still remember the Red Cross... But, hey least we forget ... how much money did the red cross give to the people of New York.. after 9-11... ahhhhh... and how much money was collected by firemen through out the country... and how much of that money went into the RC coffers and how much of it did they spend ... where... as one says... the facts ma'm just the facts and figures in black and white... please.. ya tell me about the RC... and the bottom line is....

"As for your cracks about putting these people to work I suggest you have never really seen inside a shelter have you?"

naw... I never did see the inside of a single shelter... in 89 when they RC, discrimated against the mexicans labors... or the earthquakes in L.A. Nope never did...see 'em when they were displaced by the hurricanes that hit flordia... (andrew)... gee ya know something... I didn't see you...were you their...doing your job as a cook... Hmmmm... or the fires which went through Yellowstone or Calif... (You know I have to stop and ask... Are you really a person or a joke as this is about you) You go on one field trip and come back with the... come to Jesus ... woopie.. I'm a cook.. I'm a cook attitude... ya you want to talk about your RC and all your super duper junk you did... using what hams?... the red cross didn't use any... they used the internet... or didn't you know that... when they made you a cook... what too dumb to even work a computer... (you act like your the only one that has ever brought aid to the victums... what a conseated moron you really are... to even think and imply that others haven't...clearly shows your narrow minded) you clearly didn't understand that you are just so stupid or that you didn't know what you should be doing... So tell me... just how many others went without help because you were off riding around in your red cross RV... when they should have been identified and aid directed to them through comm... So lets see... your out riding around giving out oxygen bottles and ICE... while others are trapped and dieing... but you don't know because your riding around in your RC RV playing santa clause... (bet you even wore your red cross flapper and offical hard hat with the words... I am here to save a life.. help me... huh...) You really missed the boat on this one and quite possiably the point of which I wrote... but, then again... after reading your testomonal... I would have to say... your half a bubble off center anyway...

If your so wound up in cooking and cleaning up after them... why are you home... go back and dish the slop out some more...(you ever eat any of the stuff you cooked... like a MRE... and didn't get sick??) but, please don't come here and play almighty with your BS... slaming others... you know not what you speak of... dudette...

Look... radio operators do what they should.. man radios... and provide emergency comm... if not.. then they have no place being their.... and in your case... you clearly didn't know how to run a radio.. so the director made a command decision and did the next best thing for a person of your mentality which is to be a.... cook .. I mean you had to really go some to burn the water... for the MRE's... and you failed making quaker oatmeal...ops... ya we all know how difficult it is to make that... next step down dude is the janator... picking up trash with one of them little sticks that has a nail on the end... and a gunny sack over your sholder.... Oh.. you stabbed youself in the foot with the nail stick... so is that why they sent you home... grin...

You dummy... you took a job away from a refugee who probably could have used the money... but, no... your pompas riteous attitude was... I am here to help... and by god I am going to .... weather you want it or not... like a dumb bull in a china shop... you made it known that your one of the saviors... why I'll bet they even put your face on TV in the background... saving some poor old drunk who wasn't even in the storm... (ya the homeless are heading that direction to cash in on the freebees...) but, how would you know... why your salavating even right now to think you might be reconized and given a award for your... what... riding around in a RV... pushiing MRE's ...wow... what you need is a medal but, first you need to develope a chest to pin it on... :)

You act like your the only one that has ever been in a disaster zone... clearly you are taking the conseated approch... as most VN vets will tell you they spent a year or more in just such a event... daily... but, knowing you.. that doesn't count... hmmmmm....

My advise to you my friend...

... is to get a life, wake up and observe... and start thinking... for yourself... I know it probably will hurt to do so... but, your a big boy... now.. and your going to have to start some time... hmmmmm... and Gee the Satrn group sure knew how to work a radio... lets see how many pieces of health and welfare traffic and how many people did they save by using their resources more effectivly... for what they were intended... hmmmmm

.... and try and watch the innuendoes when you clearly havn't a clue as to what your talking about... expecally if your trying to make it a pissing contest... try to first get your facts and figures at least a little streight... so you don't make a bigger ass out of yourself... when you open your mouth or type out a message... LOL...

Storms over... the Red Cross raked in billions on this one... it was bushes fault... so the nuts in congress say... and now its back to TV.. with John Madden and monday night football or what ever they call it... film at 11... have a nice day... and don't worry... I won't come to your town while you sit on your butt on the curb and chant... I need help... your byond it... Here have a cup of coffee and a donut... that'll be $1.50 please... I work for the red cross :)
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6CDE on September 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Your right... I never noticed as you said...that he is from the land of "0" 's .... Sam.. you should post your remarks you sent to me... about him... I laughed and laughed but, I can see your point of handicapped... and not making fun of him...

I am sure he did the best he could with what he had to do it with... down their... and I never said cooks were not important too... especally if no one else wants to do it... he probably wanted to volenteer... and no I'll bet they dont make 'em peel patatoes any more... like they did in WW2... when you were bad... grin... no doubt a highly prized position...

And yes your right... why pay someone to work when you can have it done for free... after all if you had to contract it out... huh... something about money... etc...
 
RE: Realities in Mississippi  
by WA6CDE on September 29, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
BATON ROUGE, LA. - The White House announced today that President Bush has successfully sold the state of Louisiana back to the French at more than double its original selling price of $11,250,000.

"This is a bold step forward for America," said Bush. "And America will be stronger and better as a result. I stand here today in unity with French Prime Minister Jack Sharaq, who was so kind to accept my offer of Louisiana in exchange for 25 million dollars cash."

The state, ravaged by Hurricane Katrina, will cost hundreds of billions of dollars to rebuild.

"Jack understands full well that this one's a 'fixer upper,'" said Bush. "He and the French people are quite prepared to pump out all that water, and make Louisiana a decent place to live again. And they've got a lot of work to do. But Jack's assured me, if it's not right, they're going to fix it."

The move has been met with incredulity from the beleaguered residents of Louisiana.

However, President Bush's decision has been widely lauded by Republicans.

"This is an unexpected but brilliant move by the President," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist. "Instead of spending billions and billions, and billions of dollars rebuilding the state of Louisiana, we've just made 25 million dollars in pure profit."

"This is indeed a smart move," commented Fox News analyst Brit Hume. "Not only have we stopped the flooding in our own budget, we've made money on the deal. Plus, when the god-awful French are done fixing it up, we can easily invade and take it back again."

The money gained from 'T'he Louisiana Refund' is expected to be immediately pumped into the rebuilding of Iraq.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities LA and CA...  
by WA6CDE on September 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
K0GV.... ops you spoke a little too soon.. on the new tonight they are roasting the red cross for mis-management of funds ..... AGAIN...

Seems they are handing out meals to even their own people so the food doesn't get waisted... guess you will have to turn in your cooks apron and get the new improved rubber one so you can clean up and collect the spoiled food for the dumpster... something about 75,000 bucks waisted... and this from the people who ARE in the Red Cross...

On the other front... the calif fires are a model for the rest of the country.. is what the EOC said... hams know what they are supposed to do... and are a credit to the training they have had... Unlike LA the commucations and information is outstanding... (see thats what you get when you have hams doing comm stuff instead of cooking) in getting the word out on moving men, equipment and supplies to where they are needed... as well as assisting the displaced people in a regestration and infomation network... While the fires may be out of control.. the commucations and needs arn't. these volenteers are doing a outstanding job with commucations and allowing my staff then to concentrate on the fire at hand. We have a lot of firemen who are also hams that were finding serve two rolls. the primary is the information and updating the staff on outbreaks... within min's... while also fighting the fire...
without the volenteer ham operators who have shown real dedication our planing staff and plotters would not be as effective...

Even the local legeslature rep phrased the men and women who are first responders for their ablitiy to respond in such a efficent and quick manner...

this was on the new just a while ago... it appears that hams are establishe and commucating in camps and shelters with efficency and quickness...

ahhh the benifits of not overloading the fire frequencies and taking on some of the load on the ham bands...

but,... hey K0vg... i am sure they need cooks too... hop on the next plane and get out here... your needed... lets see tonight the menu is ... hotdogs roasted over a burning bush... buns toasted... and topped with burnt smoke cinder cheese and for that extra proteen... a few bugs to boot... yum yum... tomarrow night its mosquett wood... barbqued venicent (bambi) that the hot shot crews came across in the hills...after the fire went through... and packed back in with... wow doesn't that sound just finger licking good...

now where is the cook... to make this all eatable... get out here... grin...
 
Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KB9X on October 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I would urge folks to ignore postings from people using bogus calls. I would have thought that the folks at eham.com would at least validate that people using callsigns were using callisigns that exist.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by WB4TJH on October 1, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah, the guy is obviously a bona fide dumb ass.
 
RE: Disaster Relief Realities in Mississippi  
by KK5CA on October 2, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for taking time to write the original article, but mostly thank you for doing more than reading the comments of others.

James 1:22 - Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

Matthew 25:40 - "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'"

By helping at a shelter for Katrina evacuees, my son came to know the people behind the statistics. He said, "These are people just like us." People who have lost everything they ever had; their home, car, job, and perhaps friends and relatives, then moved to another state. Their entire world has been turned upside down; who knows when it will return to normal, if ever.

Disasters go through several phases, each of which requires different types of resources and response. Hurricane Katrina and the New Orleans flood (two separate but related events) are now in the recovery phase. The initial need for Amateur Radio has long passed. But the conventional communications infrastructure has not yet been restored to levels sufficient to meet daily operational requirments of emergency management, public safety, and disaster relief organizations in many areas of coastal Mississippi. In many ways, the emergency phases have been concluded, but the communications need remains.

I applaud all who have made a personal committment to help with disaster relief from Hurricane Katrina and Rita. Some of that work has been concluded, some continues. I thank those who accept there is an on-going communcations need and have avoided the designated frequencies.

Jerry Reimer, KK5CA
ARES Section Emergency Coordinator
Assistant Section Manager
ARRL South Texas Section
 
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