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Elections in Three ARRL Divisions

Dan Romanchik (KB6NU) on October 8, 2005
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Every year, ARRL members in five of the fifteen divisions get to elect a director and vice director. This year, elections are slated for the Dakota, Delta, Atlantic, Great Lakes, and Midwest Divisions.

In the Dakota and Delta divisions, the incumbents are running unopposed. Dakota Director Jay Bellows K0QB, and Vice Director Twila Greenheck, N0JPH, have been declared elected, as have Delta Director Rick Roderick, K5UR, and Vice Director Henry Leggette, WD4Q. In the other three divisions, however, there are contested elections.

In the Atlantic Division, Scott J. Bauer, W2LC, is challenging the current Vice Director William C. Edgar, N3LLR for the Director's seat. The winner will succeed Bernie Fuller, N3EFN, who decided not to see reelection. The candidates for Vice Director are Maryland-DC Section Manager Thomas J. Abernethy, W3TOM, and Thomas G. Valosin, WB2KLD.

In the Midwest Division, incumbent Director Wade Walstrom, W0EJ, is being opposed for reelection by Harry S. Nordman, AB0SX. Vice Director Bruce Frahm, K0BJ, is unopposed.

In the Great Lakes Division, the contest for Director is between incumbent James E. Weaver, K8JE, and Neil Sablatzky, K8IT. In the Vice Director race, Daniel M. Romanchik, KB6NU--that's me--is running against Gary L. Johnston, KI4LA. Current Vice Director Richard Mondro, W8FQT, has decided not to run for another term.

The ballots were sent out October 1 to all full ARRL members on record as of September 10, 2005, in the three divisions with contested elections. If you have not already received your ballot, it should arrive shortly. If you do not get one by November 1, you should request a duplicate ballot from the Secretary, ARRL, 225 Main St, Newington, CT 06111. Completed ballots must arrive at ARRL Headquarters by noon Eastern Time Friday, November 18, 2005.

Why I'm Running

The main reason that I'm running for the Board is that I think the ARRL needs to do something to encourage amateur radio licensees to be more active. While there have not been any scientific surveys, some estimate that up 50% of all licensees are inactive. For whatever reason, these folks lost interest and are amateur radio operators in name only.

This is a shame, if you ask me. Inactive hams don't show up for public service events or work CW or experiment with circuits or send letters to their Congressmen and Congresswomen.

How can we encourage amateur radio operators to be more active? One thing we can do is develop a program that will encourage more Technicians to upgrade to General. This program should result in classes that will not only teach people what they need to know to pass a test, but what they need to know to be successful amateur radio operators. These include basic skills, such as how to solder, how to make voltage and current measurements, and how to make simple antennas.

Better support for clubs is also needed. Clubs are where the action is. Good clubs bring hams into the hobby and turn them into active amateur radio operators. Bad clubs turn people away from amateur radio and foster bad stereotypes about amateur radio and amateur radio operators.

Finally, I think we need to make the ARRL more responsive to its members. I've been campaigning for about two months now, and if there’s one recurring theme--one thing that the members want from the ARRL--it is for them to be more responsive. At one club meeting I attended, I had three different people tell me a story about how they failed to get a response from the ARRL to a concern they had. I know this is a problem for organizations that rely heavily on volunteers, but there must be a way to improve the way the ARRL interacts with its members.

For the past five years, I've served as a club officer with our local club, first as treasurer, and for the last two as president. I have taught a General Class license course for the last two years and am getting ready to teach it again this winter. And for a little over a year now, I've been the Affiliated Club Coordinator for the Michigan Section. Now, I'm running for Great Lakes Division Vice Director so that I can work on these issues. If you're in the Great Lakes Division and an ARRL member, I hope you'll consider voting for me.

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Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by WA6BFH on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Does anyone see some good point to this?
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KG4RUL on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Politics is politics. What more can you say.

Dennis KG4RUL
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by WR8D on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
If you can get in there and honestly change the bastards you might start a trend that will cause many of us to renew our memberships. As for now i have the you're guilty till proven innocent attitude. We've all heard this "spew" before. So show us! We're out here sitting on the sidelines watching and waiting.
73 John WR8D:
 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KB7LYM on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Yes folks I can see it now. Running for the ARRL !!! I am running too. Like to the nearest horizon. All that political bullcrap etc. Those that like to sit on the high chair of the ARRL don't do it for your benefits. Self glory seekers overseeing the lower peasants.
More laws,more dues,more toilet paper, more lies,more teacup readers,more bone rattlers,more Juju men, more Voodoo dolls.Does there come a free Honeywagon with this position ?
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by W8JI on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The reason members keep complaining is the board and elected president don't really run things or set policy. Members know something is fishy, they just don't know why it is the way it is.

The person who appears to be actually setting direction and policy is the CEO, Dave Sumner K1ZZ, (who apparently has a permanent lifetime position). Policy does not come from the board, it echos what the CEO thinks is best for all of us.

Perhaps you can tell us how you are going to change that and put policy decisions and power squarely with elected officials.

73 Tom
 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by W3DBB on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
If a corporate board member can't do effective corporate oversight, then you might as well have a Ficus tree for Director.

The executive suite in Newington needs cleaned out.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by K0BG on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Tom, W8JI, is DEAD ON! If you get elected, I hope you don't fall into the same crack, if you get my drift.

Nonetheless, I have a question. Just how much easier can we make it for Technician class operators to upgrade?

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KB6NU on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I can't really promise that I'll be able to change the way policy is set. As one person on the board--and as vice director I won't have a direct vote--I won't be able to do all that much. Working with others, though, I'm hoping that I will be able to do something.

Like Dennis KG4RUL says, "Politics is politics." It's a long, drawn-out process. But things have to change if the ARRL is going to continue to be relevant.

If I am elected, I'll have a lot to learn. One thing I have already learned, though, by campaigning, is that it's all about people. Only by listening to people and working with people can you get big things done.

If I'm elected, I'll get a chance to do that on the division level, if not the national level. If I'm not elected, I'll continue to work on these issues at the local and state level.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KB6NU on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Alan, KØBG asks:
> Just how much easier can we make it
> for Technician class operators to upgrade?

I'm sure you don't think we should make it easier for Techs to upgrade, now do you? :)

Seriously, though, making the tests easier is certainly not the answer. Don't you think it would be a good thing, though, if every Tech who wanted to upgrade had access to a General Class license course taught by a knowledgeable teacher?



 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by N8BOA on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
People don't have the time we used to (at least I don't work and kids) also there is more to spend our little bit of free time on. But we are not alone, how many teenage gear heads do you know (hot rodders) See any back yard football games lately? My son's school has a mentor program and my son’s friend ask me to mentor him I bought him a Ham handbook and type up some questions for him to look up. It became apparent that he figured that by coming to me would be a easy way out of his school work. He did nothing until the last minute. No GEE factor here. It is like no one wants to work for there “fun” time unless it is all organized and spoon fed. I agree making license easy is not the answer it must have clout. It is like walking a tight rope.
So maybe it makes sense to pick a battle we can win and that is to get the people who are already licensed active while at the same time chasing down new Hams. The big question is how. How do we compete for that little bit of free time and money people have with out the Gee factor we had back in the sixties. At least if all the hams are active we will be more visible to the public Maybe it would snowball as for me I am on the Mentor list at school. Maybe next time we can get a little Gee factor going in a kid.
Sean
 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by K3NG on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c/
 
Dan's answer  
by K0BG on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
What I was implying was simply this; Todays Technician class test is not as difficult as the Novice class test once was. We're now at 5 wpm code, and we're going to do away with that before long.

With respect to teaching folks to be come amateurs; I agree, we should use experienced people to do this. If fact we are. However, that IS NOT the problem. We're teaching them how to pass the test, and not teaching them the theory they so desperately. The questions asked here on eham.net are prima facia.

You can argue pro or con about the dumbing down of the amateur test requirements, be it code or theory. But one thing that is irrefutable is this simple fact; The ARRL's involvement is strictly one of increasing membership (a pecuniary interest), no matter how it's done. It is this attitude which has fostered the notion that amateur radio (as we know it) is dying.

My comment about getting lost in the crack is indictable toward Mr. Sumner. Think about it.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: Dan's answer  
by AA4PB on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Dan, I applaud you for getting involved. Most of us seem to sit back and complain and withdraw our membership. Most of it appears to be over one or two pet issues rather than an all-inclusive view of what the ARRL has done over the years. The ARRL is the only game in town. If you think changes are in order then it needs to be changed from the inside. Withdrawing your membership accomplishes absolutely nothing for ham radio. If the ARRL were to go out of business then hams would have no representation at all. Others have tried to start simular organizations over the years but all seem to have failed for lack of support.

While I don't always agree with everything the ARRL comes up, personally I think they have done a great job overall. I have contacted HQ and my director on several different issues over the years and have always received a reasonable response. Perhaps it has to do with the particular director, I don't know.
 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by N0AH on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
This is a first-
 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by OBSERVER11 on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
if you are serious about being the GL div asst dir, you might consider changing your call to an EIGHTLAND call.

Otherwise, you look like you are just passing thru.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by W3ULS on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KB6NU posted the following:

"Alan, KØBG asks:
> Just how much easier can we make it
> for Technician class operators to upgrade?

I'm sure you don't think we should make it easier for Techs to upgrade, now do you? :)

Seriously, though, making the tests easier is certainly not the answer. Don't you think it would be a good thing, though, if every Tech who wanted to upgrade had access to a General Class license course taught by a knowledgeable teacher? "

For an entirely different take on the issue of ham radio license examinations, see the letter of September 30 from the editor of CQ magazine commenting on the FCC's latest NPRM&O. I think Mr. Moseson makes a lot of sense, even if his approach is not consistent with what seems to be the sentiments expressed in the above quote.

John, W3ULS

P.S. to W8JI: My impression is that there are changes afoot in the way the ARRL is managed, albeit they are coming rather slowly, partly because the ARRL is in a perennial budget crunch. All in all, I think the presidency of Jim Haynie has been a positive force.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by THERAGE on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
It's a shame that ham radio has come to this. Not just the egocentrical displays of conduct that are displayed towards one another, but the politics (carta blanche) that follow it. I've yet to see any benefit.

I wish you luck in your endeavor, and that you are doing this for the best interest of ham radio...not for youself.

73
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by WB8NUT on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I just love the people who continue to complain about the ARRL, but don't join it, don't do anything to improve it, and who don't get involved to any meaningful degree. 50% of the non-members won't join because the ARRL supports CW and the other 50% won't join because the ARRL supports doing away with the old, outdated CW testing requirement.

Crying about the politics is another thing that drives me crazy. This isn't a perfect world and there are politics everywhere - your church, your employer, our schools, and of course, our government. You can't escape it, so stop bitching about it and learn to deal with it.

You want to change the ARRL? Join and get involved or stop the endless bitching and crying. People that sit on the sidelines and throw stones are useless. If you are not trying to fix the problem, then you are the problem. Buy a mirror and you'll soon see where the problems come from and the answer will be right before your eyes.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by WB2WIK on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
>Elections in Three ARRL Divisions Reply
by KA3TGV on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
If a corporate board member can't do effective corporate oversight, then you might as well have a Ficus tree for Director.<

::Why pick on the Ficus? We have 150 Ficus trees here on the property (they grow like weeds) and I must say they fully cooperate in all ways. If I ask for a "show of hands," they all have their hands up. Even if I don't, they're still volunteering. Heck, here in southern California they know the risks: We don't wait for the leaves to fall off trees, we burn them while they're still attached! -WB2WIK/6
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by WR8D on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Ref WB8NUT: Same ole story differant date. Many of us already have tried to change things. I keep hearing this crap about sitting on the sidelines and all the bitching about holding back resources. Years ago many of us were not on the damn sidelines and tried to change things. Our efforts were useless. Unanswered phone calls, arrogance and rudeness when you could get an answer. The end result was most feel we were wasting our time and not honestly represented by the arrl. The end result of that was drop membership. Your "spew" is the same ole crap i've heard since i dropped membership over ten years ago over various issues intended only to increase their membership at what ever sacrafice to our time honored traditions and requirements. They are interested in the buck not the band try not get those two confused when you're making a statement to others that know better. WR8D
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KB6NU on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
> if you are serious about being the GL div
> asst dir, you might consider changing your
> call to an EIGHTLAND call. Otherwise, you
> look like you are just passing thru.

Well, I'm hardly just passing through. I'm a Detroit native (my original callsign was WN8KTZ/WB8KTZ), and I've lived in Ann Arbor, MI now for more than 20 years. When I first moved back here, the FCC wasn't reissuing calls for just moving, and I wasn't very active at the time, so I wasn't motivated to change it. Now, it's me. It's not a bad CW call, either.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KG6AMW on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
This seems clear enough to me - pretty much standard corporate governance. If you want change it, then take a run for the board of directors or quit bitching.

Article 6 (partial) the affairs of the Corporation shall be administered by an Executive Committee consisting of the President, five Directors selected by the Board of Directors, and, without vote, the First Vice President and Executive Vice President.

Artilce 8 (partial) The officers of the Corporation shall be a President, a First Vice President, an Executive Vice President, a Chief Financial Officer, an International Affairs Vice President, not more than one additional Vice President, a Secretary and a Treasurer, who shall be elected by a majority of the Directors at the Annual Meeting on even-numbered years. The Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer shall be compensated at rates agreeable to them and the Board of Directors.

Article 11 (partial) No person shall be eligible for, or hold, the office of Director, Vice Director, President or Vice President whose business connections are of such nature that he could gain financially through the shaping of the affairs of the League by the Board, or by the improper exploitation of his office for the furtherance of his own aims or those of his employer.

By-laws 20 (partial) The Election Committee shall appoint a committee of three tellers including at least one director and shall arrange to have a certified public accountant present to certify the results of the balloting;
 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by K0RFD on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
More power to you. At least you're telling us where you stand. There's a couple of things you might do if you get elected. One of them might restore a LITTLE credibility, one of them might encourage a little more activity.

First -- ensure that the directors voting aye or nay in ALL NON-UNANIMOUS VOTES are published in the minutes. This issue is raised time and time again--hard to know whether your director thinks the same way you do. A roll call or show of hands on every non unanimous vote might add, what, maybe 10 minutes to a meeting?

Second -- and this is specific to contesting -- add a "Rookie" class to all ARRL-sponsored contests. Other contest sponsors have a "Rookie" class, available to people who have been licensed three years or less. In fact, why not sponsor a rookies-only contest once a year? It might get some people on the air, if only for one day.

Now let the flames begin...
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by W6TH on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
.

Ham radio?..Reads like the House of Representatives to me.


Artilce 8 (partial) The officers of the Corporation shall be a President, a First Vice President, an Executive Vice President, a Chief Financial Officer, an International Affairs Vice President, not more than one additional Vice President, a Secretary and a Treasurer, who shall be elected by a majority of the Directors at the Annual Meeting on even-numbered years. The Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer shall be compensated at rates agreeable to them and the Board of Directors.

The Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer shall be compensated at rates agreeable to them and the Board of Directors.

.:(Den of Thieves)
.:
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by WA6BFH on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Guys, I have chatted with this dude directly -- when he contacted and queried me.

He could not even answer the hypothetical questions I posed to him about our UHF and SHF bands.

Don’t even worry about ZZ, he is fixed in place!
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KB6NU on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Please enlighten me. What was wrong with my answers?
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by WA6BFH on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Do you really want me to emphasize and contrast your lack of knowledge?

You did not even go so far as to look up even the web page (as linked by my e-Ham and QRZ profiles) to provide a source to answer the questions that I presented to you.

You ask, “what was wrong with my answers”., shoot (might I say sh!t), they were not answers at all!

You sir will make a very good ARRL decision-maker!
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by K4RAF on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"if you are serious about being the GL div asst dir, you might consider changing your call to an EIGHTLAND call."

This from a guy with no call...

If you want to be taken seriously, grow a set & sign your callsign.

You are as feckless as the ARRL!
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by W6TH on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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Dan, KB6NU.

I can understand your very good intentions and want to bring back the old ARRL for the benefit of ham radio. In my personal opinion you will have a battle on your hands as with your good intentions, just won't help. Your vote will have very little effect to any change or changes.

The lowering of the code (5wpm) and no code no theory has brought many into the Amateur Radio, which shouldn't be, that will proceed to keep asking for less and less, eventually to the end of code. Should you disagree, then your vote will be void.

Many non-members and a few members claim that this was done for the sake of money and if so, then the ARRL and the FCC have a joint agreement. The ARRL a private organization lobbying (bugging), buying free lunches for what their (ARRL) purpose for being there.

In my opinion, the entrance into ham radio is in such a position that it will "never" bring back the old ham radio and will continue to worsen. Is it for complete gain in regards to income or is it really for the benefit of ham radio.

To get more active on the ham bands, that has already been approved of by having a contest going on as it seems every week end. I am not opposed to contests, but is one way to gain activity and isn't this more or less a childs play for the benefit for the ARRL? You be the judge.

As you can see it will worsen or you would not be running for an office to bring back more activity.

Why the decline in the young? Poor leadership from you, me and the whole of ham radio plus most importantly the strong affect of the course of events or the nature of things by the ARRL organization.

73, W6TH

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Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KU4UV on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Vote for Pedro!
 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by N8NOE on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I Can't seem to find the Place to VOTE on Line?.......
I'm looking for a Link but Nada!..
Member ARRL, N8NOE

Please Provide a Link for this Election.. Thanks...
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by WA6BFH on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

Jes*s Vito, I feel bad being motivated toward vulgarities but, you are being really naïve!

Stick to your flipping guns!

This person is a child or worse!
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by N8NOE on October 8, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I'll put the write in vote for Peter, But I need a LINK!... ASomeday We'll all figure-out what the Leauge Does, and FIRE them ALL!.. With this Done, the word INCUMBANT will not exist, Seesm the Ole' Boy Network is all it's about.. Love to find Sallary info sometime and get me one of those jobs. But NOT being a YES MAN, guess If I ran they'd find some way to elimminate me..

Hell Yea!.. I'll Vote For PEDRO! (or) Julio, Juan or Fidel, if they Can make a Good Cigar, I figure there doing more for me!
 
ARRL ROCKS!  
by SWANMAN on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Ford invented cars...horse and carriage GONE.
Morse invented code...smoke signals GONE.
Edison invented the light bulb...candles GONE.
ARRL gets with the program...cw GONE.
Everyone gets on HF...YIPPEE!

The ARRL is GREAT!


 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KE4ZHN on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KB7LYM: Couldnt have said it better myself OM! You hit it right on the head. Id trust a rattlesnake before Id trust anyone in any kind of politics. Especially ARRL politics! Theres only one thing important to the league...getting in your pocket. Politicians are all the same...grab anything they can get and spread BS like wildfire to confuse the masses into thinking they know what their doing. Better make it a whole fleet of honeywagons.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KB6NU on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
N8NOE, voting is by mail ballot only. You should be receiving your ballot in the mail shortly.
 
RE: ARRL ROCKS!  
by ICOMTECH66 on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Holy crap -- why does everyone act as if ARRL is a governmental body (like an arm of of the FCC) that is suppose to look out for everyone's interests ..

1. It is nothing more then a Fan club to the Amateur radio HOBBY.

2. Its main purpose is to make money so they can pay their salaries and the salaries of their employee.

3. There are over 27,331 registered LOBBY type groups in the US -- the ARRL is simply one more.

I am sure that many moons ago that when the ARRL spoke that FCC listened -- but those days -- like the requirement for morse -- are gone.

I am not bashing the ARRL - I just think that they are doing exactly what they said they would do and others have somehow decided to elevate their position to somthing its not.

The bottom line is that the FCC probably listens to ICOM and KENWOOD and others just as much as they do the ARRL
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KG6AMW on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH, these are basic straight forward articles and by-laws. A person running for an ARRL Division position should be able to comprehend them without being overwhelmed or viewing them as something illegal.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by W6TH on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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wa6bfh

Naive you say?

Lacking worldly experience and understanding, eh?

You my friend can't see past your nose. My opinon, you are the braggart, naive one and childish at that.

For your information the ARRL is a government and is not what ham radio needs to force and control.

You are already using what the ARRL had proposed; Did you put forward for consideration, discussion, or adoption and passed, the 5 words per minute code test, the dumbing of ham radio? Did you have a choice to vote for or against? Was it the board of directors?

Food for thought.
.:
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by AA4PB on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Humm - I thought it was the FCC that made the rules. I didn't know that the ARRL has now taken over that job. The last I heard the ARRL was a non-profit organization. I didn't know that non profit organizations could be registered lobyists. Dumb me. I guess I should pay more attention to the stuff posted here on e-ham and become more informed :-)
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by ICOMTECH66 on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
AA4PB

I am not calling you dumb BUT -- if you don't believe that the ARRL does not conduct themselves in the mannerisms of a lobby group then you are what you are --

Yes -- it is illegal for Not for Profit groupls to officially conduct themselves as lobbyists ... but lets face it, ARRL, Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc etc all have tomake sure that they are on the right end of the money train and thus conduct "lobby" type activities...

you think the 100K that Congress gave to ARRL for Hurrican relief was simply some congressmans good idea -- hell no -- ARRL sought hard to get that money --

(and do you think a dime of it will eventually make it to actual ham users -- hell no -- that went to give the ARRL guuys all new office furniture -- and bonuses)

 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by AA4PB on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
ICOMTECH66 (with no call): I'm glad you have all the answers and can tell us how things really work. Most of these anti-ARRL postings are so far out in left field that the posters obviously don't have a clue. The really sad thing is that new people might actually believe some of this crap. The other sad thing is that a few people have valid points that might be worked on but they get lost in the other total BS being posted.

Its probably time to pull the plug on E-Ham and leave it all to the ARRL bashers.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by W0MT on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
To me, the most fundamental question about the ARRL is, “Who tells the members what is in their best interest—the ARRL or its members?” It appears to me that the ARRL is telling the members what is in their best interest and many members (and non-members alike) don’t like it, me included.

As I recall, there was a survey by the ARRL regarding their proposed new band plan. And as I recall, none of us ever heard the results of that survey. Even the FCC both asked for comments regarding the dropping of CW testing AND you can go read the results. If you are so inclined, you can ever tabulate the yeas and nays.

I am waiting for a candidate running on a platform that includes member input on what the ARRL’s agenda should be and what position should the ARRL take on each agenda item. I would expect membership surveys to be published.

Although I read the heated arguments about significant things affecting Ham radio, I (along with the rest of you) don’t know what the majority vote would be. My guess is that the ARRL doesn’t know either. Why not?
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by AA4PB on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The ARRL never did a member survey concerning the regulation by bandplan issue. They asked for comments from members and non-members alike. Changes were made in the proposal to reflect the input they received.

When it comes time for comments to the FCC those posted on-line will be able to be viewed on-line. I don't know how much good that does considering that few people have the time to read every comment posted.

It really isn't practical for the ARRL to do a membership vote on every issue. Most of the issues are much too complex for that and most don't have a simple yes or no solution. The ARRL works like most organizations and the Federal and State governments. You vote for someone to represent you (your district director) and he, along with the other directors, makes the decisions.

The way you get input into the decision is to make your case to your director. I might add that it needs to be a well thought out idea with valid explanations and justifications. If you blast him with hate mail and emotional garbage then it will probably end up in the circular file, as it should. If you don't like the way your director is handling things then you need to vote for someone else or run for the office yourself.

The ARRL gets blamed for a lot of things they had little or no control over. The test question pool is a case in point. The Question Pool Committee of the Volunteer Coordinators decides what will be in the question pool. The ARRL has representation on that committee so they do have some input. The ARRL Board of Directors however does not decide how difficult or easy the tests are.

Another case is the proposed elimination of the Morse testing requirement. The ARRL did not propose that. The FCC itself made the proposal based on the results of the last WARC and the fact that most other countries are eliminating it. The ARRL in fact proposed the retention of 5WPM testing for Extra class and it doesn't look like the FCC is even receptive to that.

Another case: The ARRL has petitioned for the addition of an entry class HF license (similar to the old Novice) but so far the FCC does not appear likely to consider it.

People appear to be making the false assumption that the ARRL and the FCC are one in the same and therefore everything that happens in Amateur Radio is a direct result of some ARRL action.
 
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by W6TH on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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Not true:

The ARRL in fact proposed the retention of 5WPM testing for Extra class and it doesn't look like the FCC is even receptive to that.

The ARRL made no such comment and was asked if they would accept this proposal and there was never ever a reply in favor or not in favor. The ARRL did not want to get involved.

Read on.
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by W6TH on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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Oh yeah.


People appear to be making the false assumption that the ARRL and the FCC are one in the same and therefore everything that happens in Amateur Radio is a direct result of some ARRL action.

Both are governments and the ARRL is a government organization.

Both the FCC and the ARRL wash each others hands. Both out for profits. Show me one government that is not in favor of profits. One way or another.

The ARRL is a government organization and don't forget it.
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by W6TH on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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Read what a government is and does:

The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.

The office, function, or authority of a governing individual or body.

Exercise of authority in a political unit; rule.

The agency or apparatus through which a governing individual or body functions and exercises authority.

As you can read, "all" governments govern, use force and control.
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by AA4PB on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH: Well to quote from the October 2005 CQ magazine (for a source that is not sponsored by the ARRL), "Some petitioners (including the ARRL) asked that telegraph testing be required only for the Amateur Extra Class license. Go look it up on the FCC site yourself. Of course you probably believe that the ARRL has paid off CQ magazine and the FCC to report it that way.

In my opinion you are highly misinformed about the ARRL and the United States Government.

 
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by KB9X on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I just want to set the record straight on one small item.

>> (and do you think a dime of it will eventually make it to actual ham users -- hell no -- that went to give the ARRL guuys all new office furniture -- and bonuses)

This comment was made in reference to the grant money for people who volunteered for disaster relief.

I went to the Gulf coast to help out, and I fully expected to pay my own expenses. I applied for the $100 ARRL stipend when I returned, and had check in hand within a few days. Bash the ARRL all you want for not being what you want it to be, but this specific accusation goes over the line.

Frankly it is a mystery to me why people run for ARRL elected office, but I have found many of them to be dedicated individuals doing what they feel is best for their hobby. If someone cares enough to write an article for eHam, knowing he will be lambasted, then come back with coherent replies to the flames, more power to him. (Even if his call contains, goodness, the wrong digit.)

On the other hand, I have observed many in ARRL leadership positions who seem to be there only for prestige, somehow not finding time to respond to members or to further the ham radio hobby. While this is unfortunate, it is not unique to ARRL or to any organization made up of volunteers. Personally, I will continue to do what I can to have my opinions heard as a member of ARRL, rather than giving up on the organization.
 
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by W6TH on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
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AA4PB

Read this over to yourself, make sure you understand what you posted.

Well to quote from the October 2005 CQ magazine (for a source that is not sponsored by the ARRL), "Some petitioners (including the ARRL) asked that telegraph testing be required only for the Amateur Extra Class license. Go look it up on the FCC site yourself. Of course you probably believe that the ARRL has paid off CQ magazine and the FCC to report it that way.

In my opinion you are highly misinformed about the ARRL and the United States Government.
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"Some petitioners (including the ARRL) asked that telegraph testing be required only for the Amateur Extra Class license.
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Not good for ham radio as there will be no testing for the other classes.(" only for the Amateur Extra Class license"). Is this more dumbing down? Sure is. Now will it be less at 3 words per minute or possibly less?

Let all members and non members decide what is good for Amateur radio, not magazine publishers who make a living publishing magazines.

.:The Yankees fought for against slavery and the confedrerates fought for peoples rights. I am for the peoples rights and now why the change of heart with you?
.:Confederate? A supporter of the Confederate States of America; giving up his rights, I can't believe you.:

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http://www.eham.net/articles/11936
 
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by AA4PB on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH: Hello, the ARRL is NOT a government organization. It has no affiliation with the United States Government or any other government. The ARRL is a not for profit organization. As such it is NOT in business to make money. Perhaps you need to spend a little time reading the bylaws and information on their web page to find out what the ARRL is. You seem to have it confused with some other organization.
 
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by AA4PB on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH: Perhaps *you* need to read it again. I said the ARRL proposed to retain the 5WPM testing for Extra class. You replied that they made no such comment because they didn't want to get involved. CQ is reporting that the ARRL did indeed make such a proposal.
 
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by WB8NUT on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, I heard all that spew before "we tried to change the ARRL, but gave up"...."they'd would not return my phone calls"...."they won't do what I want"....blah, blah, blah.

What exactly do all the complainers want the ARRL to do? "They opposed the code", "they want to keep the code", "they want this", they don't want that", "QST is too technical"...."QST is not technical enough" ---- No matter what the ARRL does, it makes half the hams unhappy. They can't win.

There is one thing for sure, and that is they want amateur radio to continue to thrive and grow, and for that reason alone, every ham should be a member.

I think the real reason so many do not join, is that they are too cheap. They'll buy a radio they cannot afford, but they can't spend under $50 a year to help support the only national organization that represents our interests.
 
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by K1CJS on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I would like to say one thing for those who are slamming this guy and screaming that it's a shame that politics are invading ham radio.

Like it or not, if you want to get anything done in Washington DC you've GOT to have political connections. You want to get something from the FCC? You're a he*l of a lot better off if you've got political connections, and for that, you've got to drag politics into the mess we call the ham radio hobby.

Don't like it? The way things are today, that's just too bad--you've got to live with it. As far as I'm concerned, I wish Dan good luck, and I hope he can get something done! 73!
 
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by K1CJS on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I would like to say one thing for those who are slamming this guy and screaming that it's a shame that politics are invading ham radio.

Like it or not, if you want to get anything done in Washington DC you've GOT to have political connections. You want to get something from the FCC? You're a he*l of a lot better off if you've got political connections, and for that, you've got to drag politics into the mess we call the ham radio hobby.

Don't like it? The way things are today, that's just too bad--you've got to live with it. As far as I'm concerned, I wish Dan good luck, and I hope he can get something done! 73!
 
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by W0MT on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Quoting AA4PB

>The ARRL never did a member survey concerning the regulation by bandplan issue. They asked for comments from members and non-members alike.

I think you are splitting hairs to say they asked for comments but never did a survey. Did they ever publish the results of the comment survey?

>I don't know how much good that does considering that few people have the time to read every comment posted.

Perhaps the ARRL could tabulate the survey results from the surveys that they should be taking from the membership.

>It really isn't practical for the ARRL to do a membership vote on every issue. Most of the issues are much too complex for that and most don't have a simple yes or no solution. The ARRL works like most organizations and the Federal and State governments. You vote for someone to represent you (your district director) and he, along with the other directors, makes the decisions.

And I guess your position is that because the ARRL can’t ask for a vote on everything (I agree with that statement), they can’t or won’t ask for a vote on anything (which is what they are doing). I think the root cause of most of the complaints is that the elected representatives are not representing the wishes of those they claim to represent. Or perhaps, they simply don’t know what the members want and are afraid to ask.

Finally, I don’t understand your comment regarding a simple yes or no solution. Are you saying that Hams don’t understand these “complex” issues or are you saying that no one at the ARRL is smart enough to ask and understand the answer if it is more than a simple yes or no.

 
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by OBSERVER11 on October 9, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
K 4 RAF --

I'm not running for an elected office in 8 land with a 6 call...
 
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by AA4PB on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Are you saying that Hams don’t understand these “complex” issues
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No, I'm saying that many times it is not possible to boil the question down to a simple yes or no or select A, B, C, or D questionaire that can be tabulated and the results published. The ARRL has to walk a fine line of trying to satisfy the membership who have a multitude of different opinions and still have something that has at least a chance of making it through the FCC.

To me a questionaire or survey is where you ask specific questions and the responder picks a specific answer for each one. Asking for comments is free-form where the resonder writes down his own ideas and justifications. The latter is much more difficult to tablulate and publish the results.

 
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by KC8VWM on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I think the root cause of most of the complaints is that the elected representatives are not representing the wishes of those they claim to represent. Or perhaps, they simply don’t know what the members want and are afraid to ask.

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Who what when where why would they be "afraid of" exactly? ...

I think it's rather in the idea that they wish to keep some sort of order by reducing the mass of different or similar ideas down to single issues that can be addressed efficiently as a whole.

I think this is the primary reason "why" some people are feeling that "their" particular idea wasn't adequately addressed by their representatives.

 
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by KT8K on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
As a long term member of the club Dan has presided over the past two years, I can vouch that he has done a fine job.

The club has had its own internal political battles, expensive repeater upgrade needs, etc., and Dan has done a great job of pushing things in positive directions. Five to eight years ago the club was dieing, down to less than 35 members (had 155 in the mid-80's), and in danger of not being able to afford its basic liability insurance. Thank goodness the old repeaters kept chugging in those years, because we could never have afforded to fix or replace them.

As far as I know, the club now has over 80 members and is headed rapidly into 3 digit territory. We are getting excellent turnout for meetings and special events, with new hams entering the ranks (and the club) steadily, in part due to Dan's hard work giving an upgrade class, but mostly due to the increase in fun content in club activities. (A recent kit building meeting was packed!)

In my humble opinion, the ARRL could use a lot more people like Dan. I will vote for him, and I wish him the best of luck coping with the politics etc. and influencing the ARRL in more constructive directions.

As for the rest of us, the best thing you can do is be an elmer (unless you're too much of a crabby curmudgeon like some of the posters above). Showing people the fun and challenges of ham radio, and helping them get into the radio hobbies (even short wave listening moves a person in the right direction) is the most helpful thing you can do for the amateur radio service.
Best reception & 73 de kt8k - Tim
 
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by W9WHE-II on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
There is an old political saying:

"Whoever is in, should be voted out".


The only way ARRL will ever change is with new blood. Although with BOTH a Chief Executive Officer AND an Executive Director (?) for 110 some employees, you have just got to wonder.

W9WHE
 
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by W9WHE-II on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"It really isn't practical for the ARRL to do a membership vote on every issue".

True. But on something as FUNDIMENTAL as licensing and giving away HF priveleges?? That is something that should have been put to a vote.


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"Most of the issues are much too complex for that....".

Ahhh yes. When ordinary hams like us are viewed by the ARRL "elite" from high atop mount Newington, we ordinary hams are seen as just "too stupid" to comprehend the issues.


W9WHE
 
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by W9WHE-II on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
AA4PB writes:

"The ARRL is a not for profit organization. As such it is NOT in business to make money".

Wow! Such Niavate.

FACT: ARRL has a long term Executive Director and long term paid staffers that want raises and fat retirement accounts. The more money ARRL takes in, the more money is available for raises, retirement accounts, travel and other perks for the long term staffers. If you think a mere IRS label of "non-profit" changes anything other then the accounting and the fact that there are no stockholders, you need to think again.

W9WHE


 
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by WB8NUT on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Can you please provide factual examples of fat raises, fat pay, and fat retirement accounts? As I recall these staffers at the ARRL are paid poorly.

Second, do you believe people that work at, run, and staff an organization should do it for free? Do you work at your job for free?

Like so many typical hams, always expecting something for nothing. These posts demonstrate the real problem in ham radio. It's not code tests, lack of code testing, or dumbed down testing - seems those tests as we have them now and in the distant past have let in some of the most ignorant, uneducated people I have ever seen. Some of these comments are just totally baseless.
 
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by AA4PB on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE: Read my response again! I did not say you were too stupid to understand complex issues. What I said was that some of the issues are too complex to boil down to a survey form that can be sent to everyone and have them check the appropriate boxes. I wish you would stop trying to twist what I am saying for your own purposes.

It seems as though some would like the ARRL to check with them personally on every issue.

Obviously you have a very low opinion of your fellow hams who work at the ARRL. I personally think they are doing an excellent job, overall. What you need to do is to get involved and vote for a director who will consult with you and make the needed changes.
 
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by N3AIU on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!

I commend you for running, but this seems like a pretty shameless attempt at political campaigning.

73, Nick N3AIU
 
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by KC8VWM on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"FACT: ARRL has a long term Executive Director and long term paid staffers that want raises and fat retirement accounts."


Yada, yada, yada.. A stereotypical finger pointing political "pork barrel spending" rhetorical response without any real fact or`justification to back it up.

 
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by N0TONE on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
KB6NU, I applaud you for being concerned about the right thing - inactivity amongst hams.

However, I would encourage you to do just a wee bit more study, as I fear your conclusions are way off base, and your proposed changes will likely drive the problem deeper.

I'll respond to a few of your comments:

"While there have not been any scientific surveys, some estimate that up 50% of all licensees are inactive. For whatever reason, these folks lost interest and are amateur radio operators in name only."

You can do your own survey. I did. I selected ten zip codes around my locale, looked up all hams in those zip codes, found email addresses for those who had email and sent them a bit of a survey. I got a 75% response rate. I sent a total of 200 emails and got 150 replies. Round numbers.

By my definition of activity, only 20% were active. My definition is like this. They get on the air and make QSOs. Echolink does not count. Attending club meetings does not count. ARRL membership does not count. Being a homebrewer does not count. I only counted on-air activites for which a license is required to be legal. I did count them as active if they only use repeaters, some people would not count that. If they had operated in the past, but do not plan to operate in the future, then I did not count them as active. If they send letters to legislators but don't operate, they are not operators. And yes, there are a surprising number who express their views to politicians, but don't operate. Some even sent me copies of the letters they mailed. They were embarrassing letters.

"Amateur radio operators in name only" is a meaningless statement. If they hold a license and do operate, they they are operators and licensees. If they hold a license, but do not operate, they are licensees, but not operators.

The way to encourage more activity is to mentor better. This means sending active hams to the newcomers houses. If there's something you can to do "fix" the ARRL and newcomers it to shake them up and tell them that we do not need more licensees. As far as I'm concerned, they can dump the whole VEC program, and turn all those VEs into mentors (elmers) who go to the home of the newcomer and get them on the air.

"One thing we can do is develop a program that will encourage more Technicians to upgrade to General"

No. Per my survey, just get them active as technicians, on something other than repeaters. Get them to put up an outdoor antennna and experience FM simplex. Better yet, bring them to your house, put them on HF SSB and give them a taste of what HF is like. They'll get the general on their own, once they know what awaits. Message to the ARRL: the licenses are easy to get. Quit instilling "test anxiety" into prospective hams by telling them that it's hard. It isn't.

"This program should result in classes that will not only teach people what they need to know to pass a test, but what they need to know to be successful amateur radio operators. These include basic skills, such as how to solder, how to make voltage and current measurements, and how to make simple antennas."

Way off base. We absotlutely do not need more classes!!! We need more labs!!! That means hands on. You cannot "class train" amateur radio operators any more than you can "class train" a clarinet player. To learn clarinet, the guy has to play clarinet. To learn ham radio, the person has to DO ham radio. You have to put them in front of a radio and get them to operate it. You have to show them, and then have them, build an antenna.

"Now You're Talking" is a perfect example of how to screw things up. 200 pages to teach what used to be taught in 50 pages and hand-on labs. Don't create any more classes. Classes are the main cause of the dead-end that new hams face.

"Better support for clubs is also needed. Clubs are where the action is"

Pure unadulterated bullshit. Per my survey, licensees who are club members are 50% less likely to be active. Clubs take up someone's time that they might be using to operate. The action is at the station. If the club has a club station, and the purpose of the meeting is to operate the club station, then yes, the club is having some action. But most club meetings aren't active - they're just story-telling sessions. More talk, less radio.

Please, please, get out of your "ARRL is king and clubs are princes" mode and start thinking about how to get the guy on the air from his own home station. The hint is this: go to his house. Encourage others to do the same. The action is NOT in the club, nor is it at the ARRL.

AM
 
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by KC8VWM on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
"If you think a mere IRS label of "non-profit" changes anything other then the accounting and the fact that there are no stockholders...

yada yada yada..

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What? ...You mean to say a not for profit organization without stockholders?

Gee, imagine that!

Just think of all the money I could be raking in right now from a less than profitable - not for profit organization if they allowed investors and stockholders in huh?

That comment made about as much sense as making a career out of stamp collecting.
 
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by NB3O on October 10, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
For those wishing to review the ARRL tax returns in zipped PDF (no viruses), years 1993 through 2003 can be found at http://www.kr4uq.org/html/arrl_tax_returns.html
The zip file for 2003 is 6.5MB. It shows a net loss and has a breakout of expenses starting on sheet 2. Knowledge is Power....
73
 
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by K9HBI on October 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Dan, Good luck, You have my vote. You will always see more negative postings on online no matter what the topic is, so keep that in mind.

73 CHUCK K9HBI
CHUCK SR. K8HBI
 
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by KB6NU on October 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
NOTONE, thanks for your comments. I don't agree with everything you say, but we do agree that more mentoring is needed to encourage new hams to be more active. For example, I have invited new guys to my house to show them what it is that "hams do" and why and how it can be so much fun. I think that this has had a positive impact.

I also agree that amateur radio training should be more of a "lab" than a "class." Hands-on training is certainly more effective than listening to a teacher for an hour or two.
 
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by AA4PB on October 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
NOTONE: You make some very good points however, I would disagree with your qualifications for an "active ham". There is more to ham radio than simply getting on the air (although that is certainly part of it). Home brewing, interacting with other hams in a club setting, studying electronics, and training with ARES or other emergency communications is all a part of ham radio.

Formal classes do not have to be only sitting and listening to a lecture. Classes can and should include hands on work. The military, colleges, and trade schools have been doing that for years. The goal of an upgrade class should be to teach the student the basic electronics and practical skills so that he can easily pass the test. It should never be "teach to the test" in order to get him to memorize all the correct answers.

One-on-one mentoring is great wherever possible. Clubs are a good way to connect local hams for such learning activities as antenna raising parties, tracking down an RFI source, or repeater maintenance.
 
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by K4JF on October 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
<Ford invented cars>

WRONG! Ford didn't invent cars, they were around a decade ot two. Ford invented the production line.
 
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by N0TONE on October 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
AA4PB, I agree with this:

"There is more to ham radio than simply getting on the air (although that is certainly part of it). Home brewing, interacting with other hams in a club setting, studying electronics, and training with ARES or other emergency communications is all a part of ham radio."

I still maintain that if you do everything on that list except getting on the air, you are not active. If we want to continue to attract new recruits, it is based on them being interested in getting on the air. If there are no signals on the air, why would they bother? Are you putting a signal on the air? If not, how can you possibly help a newcomer make a QSO? By hoping someone else is on the air?

"Operating" means what it sounds like. Using a radio to put a signal on the air and make QSOs. If you're not doing that, you're not operating. If you're not operating, you're not active.

Clubs can be an asset to helping people get on the air, but the real McCoy is getting on the air.

There's a club in my area with 325 members. About 30 are "active", mainly on repeaters. A few times, they're recruited members to get on the air for help with walkathons and other public service. Because the members, generally, do not get on the air, their operating practices were rusty, and they ran a very confused public service net. They were not invited the next year to provide comms.

"Active" must mean "on the air". Yes, all those other things are important, but if one does not get on the air, all the rest is moot.

AM
 
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by K5FZ on October 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I've just been looking at the 2003 ARRL tax return.

I have a question, and it is not intended to start a firestorm. I just don't know the answer.

I thought the elected officers and directors of the ARRL were not compensated for their time. However, there is a line on the second page stating that over 1/2 million dollars was paid for compenstation for the officers and board. This is in addition to the money paid to the employees.

Have I just been operating under a false assumption, or is this for something legit, that I haven't thought about?

Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

73,
Rich

 
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by AA4PB on October 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
NOTONE: I agree if they "never" get on the air. Did you have a minimum number of hours required or did you did you say that they must have been on the air in the last xx days or something?

I amazed if there are many licensed hams who home brew equipment, attend club meetings, and write their legislators about ham radio issues but never, ever get on the air and don't intend to. You would think that they would at least get on the air to test out their latest home brew project. Are they perhaps in a resticted location where they are not able to get on the air at all? It would be interesting to find out why, when they obviously have an interest in ham radio, they never get on the air.

 
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by AA4PB on October 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
From the ARRL bylaws:

12. All officers, directors and vice directors shall serve without compensation in any form. This shall not preclude the reimbursement, and the League shall reimburse, the reasonable and necessary traveling expenses of officers and directors from their homes to the place of meeting of the Board of Directors or of the Executive Committee and return to their homes. This section shall not be construed to prevent the employment for agreed compensation, of the Secretary, the Treasurer, and any Vice&#8209;President other than the First Vice&#8209;President, by the League in other capacities.

 
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by N0TONE on October 11, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
AA4PB wrote:

"NOTONE: I agree if they "never" get on the air. Did you have a minimum number of hours required or did you did you say that they must have been on the air in the last xx days or something?"

My criteria was that they had made at least one QSO in the past year, and that they planned to make at least one QSO in the coming year.

"I amazed if there are many licensed hams who home brew equipment, attend club meetings, and write their legislators about ham radio issues but never, ever get on the air and don't intend to."

I would have been amazed at this, but am no more. A number of years ago, I made it a point to ask such questions of various ARRL representatives. I was quite shocked at how many section manager never get on the air. They like to email about ham radio and they like to write reports, and yes, some of them like to pretend to be important. I spoke with some of the ARRL Field Reps and suggested that a *requirement* for holding any sort of field office is that the individual be active. I was told that far too many well-respected field appointees and elected officials would have to leave office were that rule applied!

Yahoo groups are packed with licensees who build and repair lots of equipment and call themselves "active" but never get on the air.

I've attended many club meetings and spoken with hams who never make QSOs. This is far more likely in a repeater-focused club and far less likely in a DX or contest club. I've also known one "technical achievement" club whose members were generally not on the air, because they were always at the workbench.

"You would think that they would at least get on the air to test out their latest home brew project."

I wish. Many seem content to test on a dummy load.

"Are they perhaps in a resticted location where they are not able to get on the air at all?"

There is no such thing. I've worked DXCC from an attic-mounted antenna. Besides, if they have a handheld and are within range of a repeater, they need not have a big tower, right? I once dropped by a house that had a few visible antennas and a ham call plate on the car. I introduced myself and the guy said, "Oh, I put those antennas up five years ago but never really used them. I should take them down before they hurt someone." He had forgotten that he had ham call plates!

"It would be interesting to find out why, when they obviously have an interest in ham radio, they never get on the air."

I think this would be a high priority. Based on my obsevations, the crucial problem is the means by which they were brought into the hobby. By focusing on the license itself, and not the activity, we are bringing people into the hobby who are good at passing tests. The "elmering" process needs to focus on making them interested in radio, not paper. I knew one team of VEs that would not give a person the test until and unless they had already been on the air (under the third-party rules), because that VE team believed that "minting another inactive licensee" would be detrimental to the service. If you can not get the person to speak into your radio's microphone before he gets licensed, then it's unlikely he'll do so on his own later.

AM
 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by W2LJ on October 13, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
Dan,

Good luck! Hey, if you don't win - c'mon over to the Hudson Division. You'd have my vote!

Larry W2LJ
 
Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by OBSERVER11 on October 16, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
It seems to me... that only TWO of the four running for elected office are serious about the election.

One of the four got on line and posted his plea, two send out an advertisment, and one is missing in action.

My bet, K8JE and KI4LA are going to win again. I have no complaints.
 
RE: Elections in Three ARRL Divisions  
by KB6NU on November 4, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
May I ask who you voted for and why?
 
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