How About Annual DXCC?
John Raydo (K0IZ)
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October 22, 2005
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About two years ago I became active again in ham radio, with most of my activity being 20-Meter SSB DXing. As I have gradually worked modestly upwards on my country count, I also spent time reading more about DX, and, especially, the DXCC program.
One thing I have noticed is that the Honor Roll is quite static. Once someone gets near the top (not me!), there's not much to do except wait for a DXpedition to that missing country or two.
In sports, there are historical records (most home runs in career, touchdowns, etc), and also annual records (win/loss, going to Super Bowl, etc).
My suggestion is to add an ANNUAL DXCC competition. Keep the historical Honor Roll and the rest of the DXCC awards, of course, but restart the count each year for an annual competition. Even those with 335 counties worked would have new challenge.
What do you think?
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by N0IU on October 22, 2005
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I don't know if this is the answer, but I am not sure what the answer is. With all due respect, I think the problem with this type of award is that the same people would probably win it year after year. Those 'top guns' who are on the Honor Roll have already fine tuned their DX hunting skills and tweaked their stations to the point where they have figured out the art of DXing. If you look at contest results, there is also a pretty static list of Top Ten winners for that same reason.
I had a neighbor who was on the DXCC Honor Roll. I don't remember his totals, but he had 300+ countries confirmed on 5 bands on phone, on CW and on RTTY. While their is certainly a degree of skill required, he also had the killer station to back up those skills in addition to being retired and having the time. When a rare DX entity was activated, it wasn't a matter of IF he would be able to work them, it was a matter of how many times and on which bands and on which modes he could work them. He would keep the beams locked in their direction and the amplifier warmed up during the DXPedition and just keep putting notches on his holster.
Guys like me with 100 watts, a vertical and a wire (and a job!) don't stand a chance against guys like him, but that doesn't mean we can't have boatloads of fun at it. I don't necessarily actively chase DX, but I will check the spotting clusters and see who is out there from time to time. I am sure I probably have at least the basic mixed DXCC if I would bother to organize all my cards and get them checked.
I think the DXCC program works pretty well from what I have seen of it. Its not a contest or a team sport, but rather it is a goal. Everyone can eventually earn it, but there are those with the skill and resources (equipment and time) who have a clear advantage. I applaud you enthusiasm in wanting to keep things fresh, but I am not sure what it would take to level the playing field.
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by X-WB1AUW on October 22, 2005
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You might find it interesting to ask people on the honor roll what they do once they get past 330.
Last I knew, ARRL only does DXCC and honor roll (on HF). If your QSL card does not increase your honor roll total or count towards 100 countries on a band(s), they do not want it.
I knew some ops that strove for 300 countries every year; work on 335 with 100 watts; work on 335 QRP; get into contesting; switch to just 160 and 75/80.
If you get board, you could try 5 band DXCC from 100 stations.
Bob
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by NI0C on October 22, 2005
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So far no one has mentioned the ARRL DXCC Challenge award, given for working and confirming 1000 or more band countries on all ten bands (excluding 60m) from 160m thru 6m. With a theoretical possible 3350 band countries to go after, there's plenty to keep one's interest up. In fact, the last issue of the DXCC Yearbook did not even include an Honor Roll listing, but it did list all those who had achieved the Challenge, along with their totals. The top participants are well over 3000 now-- pretty amazing when you think about it!
Also, there's the annual lowband awards given by The Lowband Monitor for working any of the following during a single "lowband season" between Sept. 1 and March 30: WAC on 160m, 100 countries on 80m, or 150 countries on 40m.
73,
Chuck NI0C
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by N5EAT on October 22, 2005
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One of the continuing things in ham radio which keeps me enthused is the opportunity to tune into the county hunters' net. Over 3000 counties to work, and it's extremely difficult. If you get tired of working counties, just pack your rig into your car and take a day trip to a rare county and BE DX (so to speak). It's one of the most well-rounded awards situations in all of ham radio. The excitement of having the opportunity to work rare counties or to be a rare county is quite unique. About 10 years ago me, my wife and my Ten-Tec Scout and I drove through the hinterlands of Mississippi and were the subjects of a continuous 4 hour pile-up of people wanting to work us. It's something I used to do often and need to start again.
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by LNXAUTHOR on October 22, 2005
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- good suggestion on QRP! (using an amp and big antenna isn't a challenge)
- go for DXCC after you limit your txvr output to less than 1 watt - now that's a challenge!
:-)
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by K8MHZ on October 22, 2005
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John,
There is nothing in the rules that says you can't start your own contest. Beautiful certificates are available to design for free on line (see www.dyetub.com/certificates) to give out rewards.
This type of contest could be done with just a few friends or it could be opened up to anyone and promoted on the web.
If you were the one to start such a thing and it caught on you would become a permanent part of ham history!
73,
Mark K8MHZ
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by KX8N on October 22, 2005
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Just set up different output classes for the award. Give awards for QRP, 100 watts, 500 watts, 1000 watts, and legal limit. Then you've leveled the playing field.
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by WX4O on October 22, 2005
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Another idea, especially good for people like me
with low budget or modest stations, would be to exclude previous winners from entering. ?
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by WA8MEA on October 22, 2005
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Hmmmmmm.......
Upside:
a) A contest you can do at your own pace.
b) Unique/varying results from top of solar cycle to bottom.
c) No need for expensive DXpeditions.
d) More attractive wall paper available to collectors.
Downside:
a) Yet another contest, none the less.
b) Big guns whether high or low bands will still make the winners circle.
c) It's hard to imagine this year...after year...after year...after year...
d) Next we'll have one year WAS.
With a contest going on every weekend, and Special Events stations to boot...don't we have enough to chase.
Couldn't you just get an endorsement from one of the many award groups that specially states: ACCOMPLISHED IN ONE YEAR. And then try to break your own personal record(s)?
73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
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by WA6BFH on October 22, 2005
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I would suggest yet a different approach. I would suggest the suspension of all or any contest activities between 1.8 through 28 MHz, and suggest a contest “window” between 28.400 to 28.600 MHz.
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by N6AJR on October 22, 2005
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move to north dakota and organize a nd state qso party..
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by W9OY on October 22, 2005
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Several of my buddies down on 80 do this already. They are all 300 plus but do the 100 every year as well.
If you want to make it a contest just see how fast you can work DXCC on all bands and then on specific bands/modes and, if you insist, power levels.
Personally I think QRP has less to do with the QRPer's operating skill than it has to do with the recieving station's operating skill. If I was the DX I would basically ignore the QRPer. To me a QRPer is just another station with a crappy signal who is so proud he has a crappy signal he makes it crappy on purpose and then brags about crappy it is. Why hell boy my sig is so crappy it's almost mental telepathy.... I think it's pretty twisted, but then it is offically sanctioned by the ARRL so I guess it should be twisted. It's the joker who is listening to Mr. QRPer who is doing all the work.
If it got to be interesting the DX could run a contest on how long it took to work WAS using the same criteria. Then you could develope a really interesting Bureaucracy where some retired joker could be the keeper of the list and he could get a bunch of underlings to count all the cards and maybe you could get yaecomwood to cough up some dough, and maybe you could take over the band a couple October weekends for the "Yearly DXCC" contest CW and SSB and then you could add the RTTY contest and then the VHF contest, and then you could build a web site and watch as each month a new guy finally gets his cards submitted to the keeper of the list and knocks you out of the top ten... Did I mention worked all DXCC echolink????? Worked all DXCC 802.11b????? Maybe you could start a magazine called QDXCCST or something and publish a bunch of articles on 2M verticals and saving the day when Katrina strikes....and maybe you could get the job of "president for life" like Castro or something...
Naw on second thought the heck with it.
73 W9OY
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by K3AN on October 22, 2005
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Sounds like a great way for ARRL to get more revenue from their LOTW program. Imagine having to re-submit for credit every year!
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by WA6BFH on October 22, 2005
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Sometimes its even Ms. QRP’er! Worse yet, on VHF!
Imagine the perverse thinking. Trying to work DX with next to no power, on a band where pretty much everything in Nature is working against making the contact -- and then be proud that you managed it -- or should I say that the other station managed it for you!
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by K6BZ on October 22, 2005
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"Why do we chase DX if it is not going to mean anything?" he (the QRPer) asked. "I thought that if I can make it to the Honor Roll they would remember me forever." This had the Old Timer shaking his head. "You chase posterity and it will elude you. All the marble monuments in the cemeteries should prove that to you. Chase DX for enjoyment and the pleasures of friendship and that will be yours forever."
- Cassidy 1978
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by K0BG on October 22, 2005
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Here's an idea. How about worked all ham radio sites? There has to be tens of thousands, and they are growing! Just log on, make a copy of the index page, and turn it in for credit. And for variety, you could log on to all .org, .net, .com etc. The list is endless.
Of course, there'll be those guys with OC3 connections (gigabyte+), while the rest of use are on dial up (56k). Gee, isn't there any justice?
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by KK7WN on October 22, 2005
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Contests are most worthwhile when the outcome has a widespread social benefit. However, many contests of this type are of ambiguous social and personal value since the outcome is as much a function of one's existing resource endowment( time, money, land, tolerant neighbors, etc.) as it is of one's skill/ability to do something in a superior fashion.Instead of another " slam bang thank you maam contest" where non contestors are treated to a blizzard of RF, how about a sociable chat with a "new" Ham friend. This creates two instant winners and is beneficial to the reputation of the hobby.
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by W5GNB on October 23, 2005
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HEY, I have the solution to contest QRM..
Let's restrict ALL contesting to any frequency ABOVE 30-GHZ !
That way us common folks won't have to put up with all the LIDS on the weekends.
There simply isn't much activity above those frequencies, prividing all the room that you contesters need to have your free-for-all. You can be just as RUDE to each other as you want!!
If the ARRL is serious about Ham Radio, I think they would start lobbying for this proposal Imediately!!
73's
Gary - W5GNB
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by WA6BFH on October 23, 2005
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Gary, that basic idea was contained in my thought for -- no contesting below 28 Mhz -- and a “window” that would restrict even 10 Meter contesting to a specific 200 Khz area ( that window covers an area where both coded-technicians, as well as the more serious occupants of 10 Meters frequent)
I have no problem with VHF contesting. We need both the activity, and signals for serious VHF/UHF/SHF work to get done.
My main thought is that we do not need contests on frequencies that have readily available and easy DX potential. If “contesters” want to get serious about building a real ‘VHF like’ station for 10 Meters, let them go to it!
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by K1CJS on October 23, 2005
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I think there are enough contests already--there is hardly a weekend that goes by that there isn't a contest going on. Although there are the good points of contesting, there are also hams that enjoy just making the contacts and not bothering with the umpteen certificates that are available for 'Worked all __________' (insert your favorite).
Some of us would like to have contests one weekend a month--hey, there are QSO parties in just about every state, lighthouse days, warship days, scout days, and of course lets not forget field day!
How about just letting things be and enjoying ham radio for ham radio instead of seeing who can get the most certificates or who can put together the daddy of all killer stations.
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by KI6YN on October 23, 2005
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Just what does contesting prove? Anyone can spend the money to build a "big gun" station and then all it takes is speaking into a mic! Big deal. At least with CW there is a skill involved. But none the less, I think contesting should be restricted to 3000000GHZ and above! Now a QRP contest, that would involve skill in antenna design and sensitve rigs and a real understanding of how to operate the receiver. Pulling the weak ones out of the noise and the crowd. If cardboard collectors must have contests, then why not restrict them to a small portion of each sub band so that those of us that want to participate can still call CQ and have QSOs without being 'stepped on'.
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by NI0C on October 23, 2005
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I wonder if any of the anti-contesters read the article that started this discussion. There was no mention of contesting.
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by WA3SLN on October 23, 2005
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DXCC is a no-brainer anymore, if you don't think so just get on the air next weekend for the CQWW contest, even do it QRP and I'll bet you can get it,
maybe even in 12 hours.
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by WA3SLN on October 23, 2005
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DXCC is a no-brainer anymore, if you don't think so just get on the air next weekend for the CQWW contest, even do it QRP and I'll bet you can get it,
maybe even in 12 hours.
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by WA3SLN on October 23, 2005
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DXCC is a no-brainer anymore, if you don't think so just get on the air next weekend for the CQWW contest, even do it QRP and I'll bet you can get it,
maybe even in 12 hours.
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by WA3SLN on October 23, 2005
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DXCC is a no-brainer anymore, if you don't think so just get on the air next weekend for the CQWW contest, even do it QRP and I'll bet you can get it,
maybe even in 12 hours.
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by WA3SLN on October 23, 2005
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DXCC is a no-brainer anymore, if you don't think so just get on the air next weekend for the CQWW contest, even do it QRP and I'll bet you can get it,
maybe even in 12 hours.
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by W5HTW on October 23, 2005
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Having considered the suggestion by the original poster, I think he is fine, but just left out something. I think it needs to be monthly. That way the din on 20 meters can sound like Channel 6 CB, and any ham not interested in DXCC can go mow the grass.
If we refine the contest a bit, we could even make it weekly. And in addition, we could make another aspect of it DXCC-MOBILE - you must work it form your mobile. And do so at least monthly.
We could have one branch of it for the retired guys who can work it Monday through Friday, all day, every day.
The possibilities are endless.
Ed
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by F1JKJ on October 24, 2005
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John,
Isn't the "new" CQ-Magazine "CQ DX MARATHON" what you're looking for ? Check their website..
Laurent
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by N5UV on October 24, 2005
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Geez, what's with all the contest-haters??? I used to think the same way, but the reason I like them now is that I barely have time to do much operating to begin with. But with different contests every weekend, I can pick and choose 1 or 2 each month I want to dabble in. Frankly, I see a lot of contests struggling for participants, it's not gonna kill you to work a few stations just for laughs...there is plenty of space on 20m SSB to call CQ, and you'll probably have more of it to work with in the near future.
Back to the topic...I agree with N5EAT 100%, if you really want to find something new to work on, try county hunting...it's extremely satisfying, and not as easy as one would think.
BTW, there was a 9-month WAS program last year, for the WAS In the 90th....it was a nice little challenge from the ARRL, tnx. much for that.
I think if you check out some of the international and European orgs., they are much more accustomed to having awards based on annual totals, or totals going back no more than 2 or 3 years...for them, it's a little easier, but for us, that's a real challenge. Besides, if you are a paperchaser, the foreign awards are typically much nicer looking than ours...
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by W9WHE-II on October 24, 2005
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Just what ham radio needs, another contest. Given the rankor contests allways provoke, why advocate more?
How about I advocate:
a) INCREASING the CW requirements?
b) ENDING all contests?
c) LIMIT all contests to 160 meters?
d) LIMIT all contests to 10 watts?
e) That only Techs be permitted to contest
f) We DO AWAY with ALL licensing and testing.
g) We INCREASE power limits for Techs to 5,000 watts
h) We DECREASE power limits for Extras to 100 watts.
i) We END ALL CONTESTING FOREVER
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by N5XM on October 24, 2005
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I think we should pursue what we want to pursue. My goals are to continually improve as an op, and to continue to improve my station. I've never been one much to go along with the crowd, and for those who do, wonderful. Get on the air and enjoy yourself!
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by N0AH on October 24, 2005
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With the number of hams earning a (200 zone) 5BWAZ still only around 600, You might consider getting a HF2V and a G5RV with a QRP rig- Then you have something to do- Contesting is another way to get a sense of achievement. Avoid clusters-
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by K4JF on October 24, 2005
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Annual DXCC? Ridiculous, IMO. How can the FACT that you have QSOed 100, or 200, or whatever entities expire after a year? You didn't un-contact them!
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by W9WHE-II on October 25, 2005
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How about a WEEKLY DXCC?
That way, ARRL could charge $5 a week!
W9WHE
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by W9WHE-II on October 25, 2005
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K4JF writes:
"How can the FACT that you have QSOed 100, or 200, or whatever entities expire after a year? You didn't un-contact them"
Well, not according to ARRL. Unless something has changed, if you don't apply for your ARRL DXCC, your contacts EXPIRE after a few years! With the ARRL, your contacts do expire!
W9WHE
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by NI0C on October 25, 2005
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"Well, not according to ARRL. Unless something has changed, if you don't apply for your ARRL DXCC, your contacts EXPIRE after a few years! With the ARRL, your contacts do expire!"
This is simply not true, unless you are talking about contacts you made in the pre-WW2 DXCC program.
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by G8LGX on October 27, 2005
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Why would an adult be interested in a DXCC Honor Roll, annual or otherwise?
Oooohh Me, sir, Me! Look at me! Time to grow up.
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by W9WHE-II on October 27, 2005
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N1OC claims that your Confirmed QSOs do not "expire" under ARRL rules. Rule 1(a) of ARRL's own rules, taken from ARRL's own website, states:
"1) Entities Eligible for Field Checking:
a) All cards dated ten years or less from the calendar year of the application may be checked, except for those awards specifically excluded from the program.....QSLs for years more than ten calendar years from the application date must be submitted directly to ARRL Headquarters"
Thus, confirmed QSOs that are more then 10 years old EXPIRE, and cannot be field checked. Confirmed contacts more then 10 years old must be sent back to the ARRL "mother ship" to be "revived" before they can be counted.
W9WHE
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by NI0C on October 27, 2005
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W9WHE said:
"Thus, confirmed QSOs that are more then 10 years old EXPIRE, and cannot be field checked. Confirmed contacts more then 10 years old must be sent back to the ARRL "mother ship" to be "revived" before they can be counted."
Your use of the word "EXPIRE" in this context seems a gross exaggeration. "Revival" is not the issue-- maintaining quality control over field checking is. I've had over 1700 confirmations dating back to 1960 checked at ARRL HQ and never have bothered with field checking. (If I've got to mail the cards somewhere, I'd just as soon mail them to ARRL).
We're aware you don't like ARRL, but how about sticking to real issues of concern?
73,
Chuck NI0C
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by NI0C on October 27, 2005
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G8LGX said:
"Why would an adult be interested in a DXCC Honor Roll, annual or otherwise?"
If you gave it more than a moment's thought, it might occur to you that keeping DXCC scores and collecting awards is comparable to keeping score in golf, bowling, tennis, etc. and admiring the trophies you win.
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by K4JF on October 28, 2005
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Correct, Chuck. The contacts do not expire. Period. I recently submitted sone QSLs over 25 years old. They were accepted in full without even a blink. They do not expire. The quote from the rules proves it.
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by WV2B on October 30, 2005
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Hi John,
How about DXCC in 48 hours? http://www.stpaulisland.net/48100.html
73, Duane WV2B
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by W9WHE-II on October 31, 2005
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G8LGX writes:
"Why would an adult be interested in a DXCC Honor Roll, annual or otherwise"
Good point. Who needs ARRL to tell you that your card is good? Not me.
W9WHE
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by K4JF on November 1, 2005
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""Why would an adult be interested in a DXCC Honor Roll, annual or otherwise"
Good point. Who needs ARRL to tell you that your card is good? Not me.
W9WHE"
Bad point. The reason is the same as the reason you keep score when you play golf. Or sandlot baseball.
If you criticize scorekeeping, then criticize all sports, just to be consistant.
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by AA4LR on November 3, 2005
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How the heck do you collect 100+ cards in a single year?
In over 30 years as a ham, I've worked 100 countries many times. Several times in the course of a weekend.
Working the DX isn't the challenge of DXCC. Collecting the cards is the hard part....
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by AA4LR on November 3, 2005
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How the heck do you collect 100+ cards in a single year?
In over 30 years as a ham, I've worked 100 countries many times. Several times in the course of a weekend.
Working the DX isn't the challenge of DXCC. Collecting the cards is the hard part....
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by WO5I on November 4, 2005
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I didn't read every response so far, but just in case it hasn't been mentioned yet: CQ has introduced an annual award for DX and Zone chasing. It's called the DX Marathon award.
The details are here:
http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/DX%20Marathon%20May.pdf
The intent is to have everyone start fresh each year, and work stations even when they aren't needed for Honor Roll or DXCC.
Not a contest, just more paper to chase. Still, it addresses the concerns you bring up.
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by N7ZV on November 24, 2005
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A lot of great posted comments here.
As many have pointed out, the fun is in the operating and making contacts.
Go after the existing certificates or just make up your own challenges. I've used: 10 contries before my head next hits the pillow. (Oh, I've had some long nights!)
Just have fun.
-- Jerry, N7ZV
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