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K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:

from FCC on March 29, 2006
Website: http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Digest/2006/ddtoday.html
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K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by NS6Y_ on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The link gets you a .pdf of the FCC paper. Isn't K1MAN the guy who was transmitting Bible verses in CW for practice on the air?
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by K0RFD on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
No, he was the guy who did "Bulletins"
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by W5GNB on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well, now the APPEALS begin! I would bet that by the time this is all washed out, old Baxter will hardly get a slap on the hand.

I would bet as a worst case, he gets his license back but with some restrictions, probably he will be restricted in some form on the 20 and 75 meter bands.

This will surely be a landmark case for the F.C.C. to PROVE that they are serious about these sort of LID operators.

73's
Gary - W5GNB

 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by N8RGQ on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W1AW Has been at it for five times as long so they need a $105,000 fine!
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by W5JON on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Here we go again, let the comparison of K1MAN to the ARRL (W1AW) begin. Anyone that tries to associate the two, obviously has not read the NAL Filed against K1MAN, and/or has no understanding of the FCC Regulations.

John W5JON

 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by WD0M on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W5JON said, "Here we go again, let the comparison of K1MAN to the ARRL (W1AW) begin. Anyone that tries to associate the two, obviously has not read the NAL filed against K1MAN, and/or has no understanding of the FCC Regulations."

Amen.......no comparison whatsoever.
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by RADIOBOB on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have kept out of this debate on all the various sites, up to now.

One can not, in any fashion, compare K1man to the ARRL. I have known, and spoken to Glenn Baxter way before he started this crap he has been doing in the past 10 years or so. Glenn Baxter is rude, arrogant, and feels he is above the law. Anybodies law.

I do not agree with all that the ARRL does, or tries to do, or in some of the directions it wants to go, but they do not blatantly defy the orders of the FCC for years upon end, nor do they wave the finger salute at authorities, as Baxter does.

Listening to K1man’s transmission ?? broadcast ?? Sked ??, was like listening to FOX news.

What the ARRL has been doing, it has done for over 50 years. It was created/started, to benefit hams. Is it broadcasting as well. I guess, but with more of a real meaning for the broadcast. Outdated now. Maybe. Still useful. Yes. There are still plenty of new and old hams using the CW bulletins, and CW practice skeds, as a way to improve or keep their speed up. Does the ARRL broadcast cause QRM to ongoing QSO’s. Probably sometimes, but not like Baxter.

Should the ARRL stop, no. Should they shut down Baxter, yes. Do we need more, broadcast ???? type programming on the ham bands, NO.

If the ARRL was told to stop it’s sked’s ?? broadcasting ??, I’m sure it would. It might go to court, but they would not thumb their noses or wave their finger at the laws. Would they stop or pay a fine if they loss, yes. That’s what sets them apart from K1man.

Had Baxter acted as a professional, as a gentleman, then he might well had been a success. He’s had his chance. Pay up, and get of the air.
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by K0CBA on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Who's "crank are they yankin'"? The FCC has all but threatened to hold it's breath and stomp it's feet for how many years now of playing with that SOB trying to get him to play nice?

I guess the next thing will be a more 'strongly worded letter'. That will have ol' Glenn pacing in his play-pen!!!

Baxter may be crazy as a March hare but he knows a toothless tiger when he sees one.

Maybe the FCC can go to his house and threaten to huff and puff and blow his antennas down.
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by N1OTY on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I see that K1MAN is also in hot water with some Professional Engineering board up in Maine. This guy just seems to attract all sorts of trouble.

John
 
Our Gov't in Action  
by WPE9JRL on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Thousands of illegal's march the streets, making noise for "rights"....12 Million undocumented workers in our Country....one in 20 workers living here illegally.

Yet the gov't spends time, energy, great detail in busting individual radio-nutcases like Baxter. The FCC confiscates illegal 1-watt FM Broadcast transmitters from toy retailers. US Customs seizes presciption drug medicine being mailed to poor Seniors in our Country from low-cost sources in Canada.

Where are the priorities of our Gov't. Where are our priorites?

As for me, I'm still waiting for my $65 subsidy check from the FCC so I can buy a new high-def TV.
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by SWANMAN on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
GEEZ...and he had to pass a code test for this?
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by RADIOBOB on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
WPE9JRL has a very good point.
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KU4UV on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Good work Riley Hollingsworth.
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KU4UV on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I tell ya what, all you guys that want to put K1MAN in the same ballpark as the ARRL and W1AW broadcasts. How long has the ARRL and W1AW been around and broadcasting bulletins that were used for either on-air code practice or other information that was related to amateur radio? Probably long before most of you were in diapers! Don't even put Glenn Baxter in the same breath as the ARRL. When K1MAN has been around as long as the ARRL and has it's membership weight, maybe then he'll have a leg to stand on. Until that time, Baxter is nothing short of a guy that is just out to get some of his 15 minutes of fame and maybe make a buck or two along the way. If every amateur out there operated like K1MAN does, there wouldn't even be an amateur radio service, because there would be nothing but bulletins on the bands 24/7. There is a time and a place for that stuff. I heard K1MAN on the air several weeks ago, and not one person checked into his net or called him when he was taking check-in's. What does this tell you about the number of hams that support him?

73,
KU4UV
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KX8N on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Where are the priorities of our Gov't. Where are our priorites?"

People have moaned about K1MAN for YEARS, and now someone is complaining because the FCC pursues him...
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by NS6Y_ on March 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Not comparing K1MAN to W1AW at all, just not sure who the guy was. Now I'm wondering if he's the guy I've heard on 2-meters with what sounds like some kind of a commercial AM radio "news" broadcast.

In my own book, the ARRL can do no wrong. Let the flames begin!
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by ZS2BL on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sometimes a solid thumping solves this sort of problem a whole lot quicker. Sort of like reverse-insentive. What did the good book say "spare the rod and spoil the child".
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by N9OGL on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Ok, here's a question, Was K1MAN's transmissions directed to the general public, or were they directed to the Amateur Radio Service? You see for it to be consider a "broadcast" the transmission must be directed to the general public. If it's directed to the general public then it's Illegal, BUT, if it directed to the amateur radio community and consists of material of interest to the amateur radio service, then it's legal. One of the problems I have with amateur operators over this thing is that amateur believe that the content that is directed to the amateur radio service must be the same type of format as the ARRL bulletin. (a newscast) yet there is nothing in the rules or regulation that states that, nor is there a FCC order that states that either. It up to the station on how they want to disseminate the information. Section 326 of the Communication Act prohibits the FCC from "controlling the content of ANY radio station" So I would really like to know where it states it has to be a certain format. The next thing is Amateur's have to realize that one, 47CFR 97.3 (a)(25) and 47 CFR 97.111(b)(6) is here to pretty much to stay the last time some one tried to change them and was denied the FCC said they would not hear on the matter any more, Secondly, those two rules is not just for the ARRL, anyone may operate a information bulletin, just like anyone can run a beacon. As the FCC stated in their April of 2004 letter to Baxter and is also on their website "there is no time limit on information bulletins." So there is some real questions regard Baxter and the FCC.
1. was it directed to the general public or to the amateurs?
2. was this enforcement "content neutral"? (the FCC under the law is to make content neutral dissensions in regards to making rules and enforcement action.)
3. Should the FCC clarify the rules a little better?


Todd N9OGL
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by K4RAF on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
There is simply no need for broadcasting on the amateur bands in 2006: PERIOD... We have the web, podcasts & streaming audio. I know of NO ham listening to any broadcasts for 'news'.

What I find most humorous about the whole K1MAN affair was the fact they tried to pin "pecuniary interest" on his broadcasts.

Who in the amateur world has more blatant "pecuniary interests" in broadcasting than the ARRL with $13mil in receipts for FY2004, 130 employees, $5mil payroll & where EVERYTHING literally is for sale? Even search links attempt to force you into membership by shutting the door in your face with "members ONLY". Screw it, I just use non-ARRL URLs for my research.

The mere referral on air to "arrl.org" is a commercial which is supposedly forbidden.

One has to wonder if the powers are lookng the other way on one offender & screwing another (the smaller fish)...
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KG6AMW on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Quote, "Baxter may be crazy as a March hare but he knows a toothless tiger when he sees one." Maybe, but this tiger has a bigger bladder in this pissing contest.
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by W1BAK on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Apparently the FCC doesn't scare old Glen. As I'm typing this...I'm listening to him broadcasting his 10AM EST "Ham Newsline" right now on 14.275Mhz SSB...from Belgrade Maine. (10 miles from me)
What's that old adage?? God protects fools and children?
Which one are you, Glen??
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by W9WHE-II on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm no fan of K1MAN and hope they DENY his renewall. But let's take a close look at the difference between arrl & K1MAN's entity, shall we?

arrl transmits one-way automated broadcasts. So does (or did) K1MAN. arrl is a private entity that claims to speak for ham radio. So does K1MAN. arrl claims to support disaster relief. So does K1MAN. arrl is run by guys with big egos. So is K1MAN. arrl solicits money for its activities. So does K1MAN. arrl claims to be non-profit. So does K1MAN. Hummm....lots of similarities, don't you think?

K1MAN has been accused essentially of using one-way broadcasts to promote personal pecuniary interests. arrl makes one-way broadcasts. K1MAN's use, on the occasion cited, seems quite blatent. arrl less so. Given arrl's top-heavy management, are they really so different? You tell me.


W9WHE

 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KD6NIG on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
All of you vanity call holders-expect your fee to go up a few bucks once this hits the courts. The FCC will need the funding to fight this battle.

Ante up!
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KC8YXU on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
you know im very new at ham radio and reading this article about K1MAN gave me the goose bumps., if i did something like that they wouldn't just take my license, they would use me as a foundation for a communications tower. (bury me under ground)...

73's
john (KC8YXU)
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by N1RIK on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I use to always love to listen to Newsline back when I was a teenager. I just stumbled across this topic oblivious to everything that was going on with K1MAN. I guess the rule of thumb is to dot your I(s) and cross your T(s) when dealing with the Federal Gov't. Personally if the FCC came to me and told me to stop doing something, I'd do it. I value my hobby (which I recently got back into), and I view it as a privelege. I know the FCC has a lot of things to tackle, which they have been very lax on. If I wanted to, I'm sure I could blab on channel 6 all day running 500-watts and be safe or go all nutty on the GMRS band with supposed 12-mile walkie talkies with no license. However I don't. I respect the priveleges I have. Hell, I can legally transmit more power than most local AM Broadcast stations and bounce my signal off the moon on different bands exceeding 10 GHz. The point is regardless if you think K1MAN is wrong, or if the ARRL is wrong, or even if you think the FCC is wrong. Amateur Radio is a privelige, and the FCC's are the keepers of it. If you defy them, they have the legal right to give you a spankin in what ever means they deal neccessary.
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by WA2JJH on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
IHE KMAN HIT BY THE TAXMAN.

KMAN has been on for years. Some damned him. Some gave him cheers.

One thing fer sure......21,000 smackers buys a lot of beers!
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by WB4TJH on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Today, I heard K1MAN back on the air about 1800Z on 14.275. I guess he thinks he is defying the FCC. I'll bet he won't bo so darned cocky when they haul his fool ass off the to the Federal Pen for a few years. I doubt he will have ham radio priviledges in the big house. The guy is a complete whacko. He deserves whatever the FCC does to him.
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by K0RFD on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, I think he still has his license. The FCC put his renewal into limbo, but I think his original license is still good as long as they fail to issue a decision on his renewal.

To me, the sooner they yank his license the better. I don't see the similarity to the ARRL. I believe Mr. Baxter once ran for ARRL office and lost, then decided to start his own competing organization. That would be fine, except he's a flake who files "Felony Complaint Affidavits" against anyone he doesn't like.

While ARRL detractors like RAF and WHE are welcome to try to defend K1MAN, I think they're way off base and letting their ARRL hostility affect their judgement. K1MAN was/is a guy who would key up on top of anybody without listening and that's the real basis of the FCC's complaint.

Anything more the FCC has on him is based largely on his own stupidity.

I wish they had as much evidence on the anti-K1MAN jammers. They were just as much of a scourge. The good thing is that without K1MAN, they have no one to jam. That's a good thing for anyone else trying to use the band, but bad that they might get away with their actions.

In the end, $21,000 is chump change to Baxter. It's not enough to get him to modify his behavior. A better starting point would be to yank his license once and for all.
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by W7LV on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Baxter's actions disprove the working assumption foisted upon me as a youngster and drummed into us like Gene Krupa during the Incentive Licensing fiasco, to wit: the CW requirement was to keep the wankers out of the hobby.
-30-
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KU4UV on March 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
How much money does this guy actually have if $21,000 is considered "chump change" to him. I sure wish I had a problem like that if he has that kind of money to throw around. Someone at the Dayton Hamvention last year asked one of the speakers at the FCC forum some question about Baxter and all they would say was that they couldn't comment on his case because of pending legal action. I guess the guy does o.k. financially speaking or he wouldn't be trying to sue everyone that disagrees with him. He has called Riley Hollingsworth every name in the book on the air, even gone so far as to say that Hollingsworth belongs in a federal prison for violating his "rights." This should give you some kind of insight into Baxter's mental stability. Like I said in an earlier post, I heard him on the air about a month ago, and he was unable to get a single person to call him on the air or check into his "net." I also hope he never comes to the Dayton Hamvention, at least for his own sake, because he would be run back to the great state of Maine very quickly. Too many hams hate this guy. Just my two cents, but his fine couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. One a--hole at a time, but at least the FCC got one jerk.

73,
KU4UV

 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KD4AC on March 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I knew I'd find some off the wall comparison from K4RAF between K1MAN and the ARRL. Too bad he doesn't understand the difference between the two. Beats me why he hates the organization so much but maybe he should seek some professional help for his obsession.
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by K4RAF on March 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I think they're way off base and letting their ARRL hostility affect their judgement."

No, I think you need to read what I posted again.

I simply have no use for broadcasting on the ham bands, NONE. The ARRL does it multiple times/frequencies. They are just as guilty as K1MAN of automated broadcasts & claim they don't QRM 'cause we publish a schedule'. Just add that $5 mil in salaries into the mix & ask yourself "who makes money on the radio"? The ARRL is NOT broadcasting to hams ONLY, not on today's informational society... Then look up "pecuniary" interest & see which of the 2 fits. I see it as BOTH: BOTH should be GONE!!!

You are the one letting your hostility toward K1MAN affect your judgement... Too bad you can't consider just the facts of a case...
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KG6AMW on March 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Quote, "I simply have no use for broadcasting on the ham bands, NONE. The ARRL does it multiple times/frequencies. They are just as guilty as K1MAN of automated broadcasts & claim they don't QRM 'cause we publish a schedule”. No, you simply take every opportunity to put down the ARRL and the K1MAN article is just one more vehicle to use to spout off. You lost your creditability on the subject of the ARRL about 2 years ago.
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by K4RAF on March 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"You lost your creditability on the subject of the ARRL about 2 years ago."

Hmmm, "creditability" ???

Is that what an ARRL tatoo gives you?

I lost it by taking antibiotics...

 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by K8MHZ on March 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Is there anything that any station broadcasts for any reason on amateur radio that can't be done just effectively on a broadcast band?

If there is no expectation of a reply, why take up space that is supposed to be reserved for 2 way communications?

The answer is because is costs money and they have figured out a way to use the amateur bands for free.

This is a good excuse for someone with limited financial means but is it the same for an organization that has a steady income?

That is the only problem I have with any of it. A person can copy CW on any frequency they can recieve. News can be transmitted by voice with the same consideration.

What the ARRL does have going for them was mentioned above. The content is directed at amateurs for the purpose of them becoming better at the hobby and we are all pretty sure that if the FCC told them to stop they would, taking their fight to the courts.

From what I have heard K1MAN is better off the air for good.

73,

Mark K8MHZ

 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by W5LXG on April 1, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Ah....at last! Truth and right prevail. Our system works, slowly, but it works. Many of us remember K6KPS and the grief he inflicted on our brotherhood trying to enjoy this marvelous hobby. Must confess, during my early ignorance in the dark ages, I actually ran a phone patch for Jim. K6KPS served time in the slammer for his actions, not sure if he traded that for HIS fine or not. Now comes THE MAN for Mr. Baxter. If he trades jail in lieu of a $21,000 fine,I truly hope he keeps his wits about him. The tattooed brethern in jail won't put up with him as long as us hams did. Perhaps Baxter will straighten up, as ex-KV4FZ did. How many of you remember the W2 who terrorized the East Coast with CQ, CQ, No kids, no Lids or Space Cadets? He went to the place where it was so hot antennas and tubes melted.
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by K4JF on April 1, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Too small. The idiot, with his YEARS of blatantly illegal broadcasts, deliberate interference, and threats have made ham radio look bad for far too long. The fine should be 10 times that!! Or more - at least a $quarter million!

And don't compare him to ARRL. There is no comparison - that's apples with steam shovels. Totally different. Totally.
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by K4JF on April 2, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"All of you vanity call holders-expect your fee to go up a few bucks once this hits the courts."

And in what way would that increase the cost of processing "vanity" licenses?
 
K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KE4ZHN on April 3, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It couldnt have happened to a nicer guy. Baxter should have been nailed years ago. And I have to agree with K4RAF. League or no league, theres NO place for ANY broadcasting on the amateur bands....period!
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by W9WHE-II on April 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
There is NO PLACE for self-serving broadcasts in theAmateur Service. Once a precident is set, arrl's broadcasts WILL BE NEXT.
 
K1MAN Issued, W1AW soon...?  
by K4RAF on April 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
For the "W1AW is different" crowd:

What "earthshattering" bulletins are broadcast by W1AW that don't appear on the credit-card enabled website first? It still takes them 2-3 days to dream up some good EMCOMM fiction for posting.

The days of waiting weeks & months for news to trickle down in print or broadcast are over.

If one goes off air, so should the other, for "pecuniary interests" or lack of added value alone... K1MAN didn't run Harris exciters & amplifiers or pull a $5mil payroll per annum.

Guess who does?
 
RE: K1MAN Issued $21,000 Forfeiture Order:  
by KC4UAI on April 12, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
For those who are worried that the mention of a web site on the air might be a violation of the rules...

If you read the Forteiture Order the FCC says the following:

"The violation for which Baxter is being assessed a forfeiture is not the mere mention of a website. Baxter violated Section 97.113(a)(3) of the Rules because he has a direct pecuniary interest in the products offered for sale on the website about which he provided information on his amateur radio station."

I think you can safely assume that if you don't have a direct pecuniary interest in the web site or the products offered on that site you don't need to worry.

How what Baxter did and what the ARRL does relate? They don't really. ARRL does not enguage in open marketing of it's products and services on the air, the control operators don't have a direct pecuniary interest in the web site or the products that the ARRL sells and I've never heard somebody successfuly argue that the ARRL transmissions are not related to ham radio. Clearly part 97 premits the ARRL to do what it does on the air.

Part 97.113(d)
The control operator of a club station may accept compensation for the periods of time when the station is transmitting telegraphy practice or information bulletins, provided that the station transmits such telegraphy practice and bulletins for at least 40 hours per week; schedules operations on at least six amateur service MF and HF bands using reasonable measures to maximize coverage; where the schedule of normal operating times and frequencies is published at least 30 days in advance of the actual transmissions; and where the control operator does not accept any direct or indirect compensation for any other service as a control operator.

 
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