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External Battery Pack for VX-2R

Mark W. Kachel (N0OKS) on May 6, 2006
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I have a Yaesu VX-2R hand held and it is a great rig. I wanted an external battery with more capacity. The maximum voltage for an external battery is seven volts and there are no seven volt batteries. An economical, initial purchase price, approach would be to use a 6 volt gel cell battery which is actually 6.3 volts.

However, I have a bunch of AA NiMH batteries and I decided to build a battery pack from them. A gel cell battery would be more cost effective, but it weighs more. Five AA batteries at 1.4 volts each result in a total of seven volts when fully charged.

The problem was finding a suitable container. I have a large supply of peanut butter jar lids. They are very handy on the work bench for holding little parts that would otherwise end up on the floor. Five AA batteries fit very nicely in a larger lid with not much wasted space. I used two lids to hold 10 batteries and the result is a 4,600 mAh external battery. Just glue the lids together and drill a small hole for the connecting wires. You can easily make the battery pack water proof.

I taped the batteries together and soldered them with small solder wicking braid. The braid is much easier to use than solid wire and it certainly can't be faulted for current carrying ability. Be sure to tin the ends of the batteries before soldering the braid. You will damage the batteries when you solder them. No matter how good you are there will be a damaging temperature rise in the batteries. The excessive temperature will reduce the number of charge / discharge cycles you will get from the batteries.

Commercial battery packs have batteries that are spot welded. The spot welding temperature is much higher than soldering but the amount of time to spot weld is just a fraction of a second so the heat that is transferred is much less.

I further molest my batteries by charging them at a constant seven volts from a simple variable voltage power supply that I built with a LM317 regulator. The batteries get warm and if I am keeping an eye, hand, on them, I disconnect them from the power supply when the get warm. I try not to charge them for more than 24 hours at a time.

NiMH batteries are supposed to be charged with an intelligent battery charger that does all sorts of nice things while recharging the batteries. So how bad is life when you are as slovenly as I am? NiMH batteries are advertised to have a life of 1,000 charge / discharge cycles. Let's say that the soldering reduces that by half and brute force recharging reduces that by half again. The result is maybe 250 cycles. My guess is that my battery pack will last me several years and by that time it will be obsolete anyhow.

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External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by LNXAUTHOR on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
-good topic...

-inexpensive external battery packs are good to have on hand for your favorite HT or portable rig...

-i use a 4-AA black battery holder w/an appropriate tip for my VX2r, good for extended receive or boosting power out...

-for my SG-2020, i use a 10-D cell holder (a 2-cell and 8-cell holder bolted and wired together)... makes a great 15V backup supply for running the rig or other gear, such as my 259 analyzer...
 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by K0BG on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I take exception to your comment about soldering puts less heat into the cell than spot welding.

In a past life, I represented JaBro battery company in Illinois. Their spot welder takes all of about 25 ms to weld the cross connects. If you immediately touch the connection after the spot weld it done, the terminal is cool to the touch. That's not true when you solder them.

If you go to Everyready's or Duracell's web site, you will see an admonition about soldering wiring on batteries. You didn't have any trouble, and most people don't. But you can, and if you do it will be the last battery you solder unless you're wearing adequate eye protection.

Incidentally, you can buy a very wide assortment of battery packs from at least a dozen providers who advertise on eham.net. Most of these have heat shrunk covers, and some even have connectors already attached. While slightly more expensive, you can have them configured in any current or voltage you can dream up.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by KB1GMX on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Next time instead of buying batteries for standard
battery pack use go to one of the various battery
vendors and get cells with solder TABS. Direct
soldering to nontabbed cells may not reduce the
number of charge cycles but it does destroy the
seals such that the cells will dry out and fail
over time making it hard to achive the number of
cycles expected. Impropper charging will shorten
the life as well.

You can get battery packs in any voltage. Common
ones are 7.2V for models cars and other uses. Or
you can buy nominal 3.6V (three nicads/nimh) packs
and combine them.

For my RS HTX245 that wants 6V max:
Myself I used a small 12Vnominal (10 cells) NiMH pack
(1.8ah) and a voltage regulator. Why not a 6V cell?
I have other gear I run off batteries that are set up
for 12V. The regulator is one of the switch mode chips
for power and efficientcy. Since the regulator is not
literally part of the battery and works with anything
from 6V to 20V, I can use any combination of batteries.
I get far longer run time and easier charging.

My VX150 makes life far easier as it will accept 6 to
16V making the 12V batteries (or even a solar pannel!)
convenient.


Allison
 
External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by K1CJS on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
A great idea to give you more operating time. With a few changes, you can use it to power just about any handheld unit--and the changes will make it more adaptable so if you get a new handheld you can just reconfigure the pack and you've got your extended power.

I also went the route of rechargeable double A batteries, but got the battery holder trays at radio shack--its one thing they still have, and the cost is low, about 1.29 each. A trip to the local Wal Mart got a small camera case for a couple of bucks, it was just right to hold the battery trays I used. The short power cord needed came from the junk box in my shack, as did the connectors to configure the pack and the wall wart needed for recharging.

I wired it up so I could vary the voltage available for either of my two handhelds, and aa an added bonus, I can use it with other battery powered units by just using different connectors--whatever is needed for the item being powered.

As a note, (miracle of miracles!) radio shack also has a power cord for their adapt a plug system that can be used to make a similar power pack even more adaptable--although the cord and connectors are just a bit pricey. I believe they have about twenty different connectors available for their system which covers about 95% of low-voltage connectors in use today. 73!
 
External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by K0CBA on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I was under the impression that rechargables, esp. ni-cads, have a membrane with a little puncture goodie to vent the cell in the case of excessive heat build up. I don't know if it's true or not but I've sure F.U.B.A.R.'ed many cells trying to solder them. Lately, I have had some pretty good luck going to one of the variously named 'battery stores' with tears in my eyes and with a quivering whimper, asking if they would tack weld some straps or contact tabs on some batteries for me. If they aren't busy they will usually do it for free or a very reasonable charge (if you don't beat it to death). If they do do it for free I usually give the guy a few bucks anyway; it is certainly worth it.
 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by KL7IPV on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have purchased many batteries from All Electronics (www.allelectronics.com) with the tabs already attached. They are reasonably priced and I found their life is better than some I have purchased locally. They have an online catalog that shows all the batteries they carry as well as other goodies.
73,
Frank
KL7IPV
 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by KE7GOJ on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The real disadvantage to this approach, as far as the VX-2 is concerned, is that when external DC is supplied, you still only have 2 power levels. With External DC, max output power is kicked up to 3W, which is nice, but which also only gives you a couple of minutes, max, at a time, before the radio turns itself to low power. If you are lucky to live close enough to a repeater where that isn't a problem, then great.

I purchased my VX2 to use it in 3W mode, and it just doesn't do very well.

On the bright side, whenever external power is connected, it will charge the internal cell. So you can connect the power, and keep the battery filly charged, and disconnect the power when you are ready to transmit. THis way, you are transmitting at the ~1.5W level, which gives you a lot more time. When you are done, hook external power back in, and you can start recharging.

In the FWIW category, if you ran the unit on 4-4.5V, you would get close to the 1.5 W output level. USing a 3 or 4 cell pack of the newer AA batteries would work for this purpose, or as others have posted, get a voltage regulator. Get a 12V pack and voltage regulator, and if you ever have something that wants 12V, you have a ready-made pack. Plus you can readjust the Output voltage. Plus you can get a real charger that won't make the batteries blow up if you forget about them.
 
External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by AVSERVICE on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I use a Radio Shack adjustable D.C. 12 volt in power adapter that was around $10.00 new.
It has a dial to select the output voltage and has a lighter plug on the input end. It uses the interchangeable tips and the VX-2 uses a "B" tip.

This arrangement allows me to use any of the many 12 volt packs I have always ready to directly power and charge the VX-2 battery.
I found a small water bottle belt for hiking that will hold a 12v 7ah battery like it was made for it and I put a female lighter jack on the battery.

This allows me to use any HT for a long,long time and easily carry the battery too. I have used this belt pack and now take it everywhere I take an HT.
It even has another compartment that even a large HT will fit in and everything is nicely self-contained and ready to go with short notice.
 
External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by N0AH on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Batteryfiles................what's this world coming to-
 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by KI6ADA on May 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
My VX150 makes life far easier as it will accept 6 to
16V making the 12V batteries (or even a solar pannel!)
convenient.


Allison

I have the VX150, it would be great to see more plans and ideas for 12V. I am thinking about getting the FT 817ND and trying to secure some battery ideas. Solar power ??

73, KI6ADA
 
External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by KX0R on May 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is a very useful thread for those of us who like portable operation. I too have read the data sheets and app notes for various NIMH batteries, and they all say not to solder to the button-top batteries, because the important pressure seals will be damaged by soldering temperatures. The seals allow the batteries to pressurize to the right level when charging, and they permit venting in case of a fault, such as a short circuit, overcharge, or reverse polarity condition. Venting damages the battery, but prevents explosion. Spot welding is so fast that no damage occurs to the seals.

Nevertheless, useable battery packs can be made by soldering the jumpers from cell to cell. I have done it with various batteries, although I think it's a bad idea now. If you decide to do it, use really small gauge wire, like #24 or #26, so you can solder quickly. Use flux for sure. Using braid for jumpers doesn't seem right, because it takes a lot of heat to solder it.

NIMH Batteries with tabs are available at reasonable prices from various websites of battery companies. Some of these guys have great pakage deals; others will make up the packs for you. Shop around for the best capacity cells - they're getting better.

I have some nice battery packs made from tabbed AA cells I salvaged from some commercial NIMH packs. I use 10 AA's in series to run my KX1, and I have two packs made up with connectors. I used duct tape to wrap the whole thing up - crude but effective. I have other similar packs with 8 AA NIMH cells in series-parallel to deliver about 5V. The parallel connection is OK if the cells are from the same lot. I've been using those packs for a homemade mult-LED bike light for two years. The rechargeable packs work better than one-way alkaline batteries, and they're saved me lots of money.

Like many others, I don't have a fancy controlled- charger like what the battery manufacturers recommend. Instead I use a current-limited constant-voltage charger. It's not optimum, but it works and won't hurt the cells. The key is to charge at about 1.46 volts per cell at 68 degrees F. So if you have 10 cells in series, you charge at 14.6 volts, regulated, with either a resistor or a current-limit circuit in the loop. Current should be limited to 100 ma or less, which means a slow charge. You can allow more current initially, but you have to remember to switch to lower current as charging nears completion. Some day I'll build a better charger. Many commercial packs have thermistors built in to sense when charging is done - the cells get warm, and the charger drops to a trickle rate. This would be pretty easy to do in a homebrew charger.

The one thing you must not do with the series MIMH battery packs is to run them down below about 1.0 volt per cell. This means never run them down dead or even close to dead! The reason is that some cells get reversed when the pack is run down, and it damages them. This applies to your cordless tools, too.

The NIMH cells are getting so cheap that there's little excuse for buying one-way batteries any more. At 2.5AH they hold a lot of QSO's when used with a QRP rig.
 
External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by KG6WLV on May 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
My VX150 makes life far easier as it will accept 6 to
16V making the 12V batteries (or even a solar pannel!)
convenient.


Allison
Yeah, I agree. I use a 7.0 amp hour RC battery for my VX-150, and needless to say, it really does a good job. One technical question, though: Is it "topping off" the internal NiCad battery pack while I use it? Won't that give the internal battery a memory, and shorten its usable life? Also the RC battery weighs about four pounds, and isn't really suitable for backpacking.
For backpacking, I have a spare AA battery holder, and have loaded it with some rechargeable NiCads I had lying around. I alternate the packs after I discharge/recharge each one in turn.
I'm interested in using solar panels and would love an article on building a voltage regulator, especially for trickle charging a marine deep-cycle battery or running an HT directly.
73,
John
 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by KA1OS on May 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Or...
Get a six-cell battery holder (cells in series) and jumper across one of the positons.

- Cheap, w/ many choices on the market.
- No soldering to the batteries is necessary.
- Any decent set of rechargeable batteries will work.

Tim (KA1OS)
 
External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by WA2JJH on May 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Great topic. I have done some things like you. I used to put HAM H-T's into some decomissioned NYPD Motorola
MX-360 cases. I would use the proper voltage. MX batts
are 7.5 V. The VX-5 can work on 2 lithium AA batts. Full power with the Motorola batt.

Results: Ultra long battery life, and a very rugged radio.

I am thinking of purchasing a VX-2. Good to know that
people are experimenting and using getting excellent results.
 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by WI7B on May 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

Great topic and great thread.

Back to Allison KI6ADA's comment...

I use a solar panel on my VX-150 to nto only charger the internal batteyr pack, but also (on a bright day) to actually run it directly. I purchased an OEM panel from Silicon Solar, 04-1178, which offers 8VDC 3.2W (.375A) in an 8.27" x 7.25" fomrat. It cost me $18.95 at the firs of the year, but now lists for $29.95...

=> http://www.siliconsolar.com/

On pure solar, I can work every repeater locally. The pane actually puts out ~9.2VDC in noontime sun. Does a great job of charging the VX-150 in an afternoon.

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by WA2JJH on May 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I Like the fact that many are condering solar power.
I like the type that have either frennel or polymer bubble magnifiers.

The ultimate win-win situation would be to use Solar power to convert waste plastics into a bio-fuel. Bio-fual can be stored for extreme lengths of time.

Some Polymer Bio-fuels are electrolytic. Interesting to see who can produce a decent battery out of these new enviorment frindly materials.

For far more info then what I have.....Get NASA Tech briefs. www.nasa.gov

I have also tried the 15 minute RC car nicad packs.
One could carry around many of these packs for chump change.

So much to do....so little time!
 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by KI6ADA on May 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I use a solar panel on my VX-150 to nto only charger the internal batteyr pack, but also (on a bright day) to actually run it directly. I purchased an OEM panel from Silicon Solar, 04-1178, which offers 8VDC 3.2W (.375A) in an 8.27" x 7.25" fomrat. It cost me $18.95 at the firs of the year, but now lists for $29.95...

=> http://www.siliconsolar.com/

On pure solar, I can work every repeater locally. The pane actually puts out ~9.2VDC in noontime sun. Does a great job of charging the VX-150 in an afternoon.

73,

---* Ken

Hi Ken,
Thank you for the web site, I have some extra reading to do! Have a great day, 73 KI6ADA

 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by WA2JJH on May 9, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

Beleive it or not....In many area's there is too much sun. One of the nations in south america is independant from any forein fuel.

All of their electrical needs are met. They make steam for industry, and they have the massive amounts of electricity to run a desalinisaion station. So they never have to worry about drought.

Yes, I did purchase on of those "Dorkey" hats that used a solar panel to power a fan to cool my head at Dayton.(many years ago, when It was worth Flying into Dayton.

HHmmmmm, One can then use a pieltzer device and fan to make a personal solid state airconditioner.

I am going to Tailand in a week or so. I heard it can be ultra hot. Perhaps I build one before go.

There is also thermocouple wire. heat it up...it produces voltage. In Siberia, they used to wrap the wire around the pot belly stove. They always got enough voltage and currant to power a Transistor short wave radio.

Who ever said ham radio is boring?

73 de MIKE
 
RE: External Battery Pack for VX-2R  
by KC8VWM on May 9, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
There is also thermocouple wire. heat it up...it produces voltage. In Siberia, they used to wrap the wire around the pot belly stove. They always got enough voltage and currant to power a Transistor short wave radio.

--------------------

Yup, you are absolutely right on that one Mike!

...Good Prose!

I tried playing radio with a similar "coil" idea but over a campfire durintg my "winderness" radio listening activities.

I sincerely hope you enjoy your trip.

My Best,

73 Charles - KC8VWM
 
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