Not-So-Great Moments in Ham Radio History: The Repeater
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Not-So-Great Moments in Ham Radio History: The Repeater
Welcome to the first in a series of articles that take a cursory,
historical look of different facets of amateur radio. Rather than focusing
on the people who made things happen, these articles will be more
subject-oriented.
In a recent article thread here on eHam, it was lamented that cell (or
mobile) phones and the Internet have pretty much supplanted the need for
amateur radio repeaters, that their utility has come and gone with
advances in technology. It's a lonely job for them to be sure: sitting on
top of a hill, tower, or building; subject to the heat, cold, and
inclement weather. They're the ham radio equivalent of the Maytag
repairman. Their importance can't be overstated, though: they're an
important link in delivering a message from its source to its destination.
Some of us can remember--or were there--when the first repeater came
on-line in 1954 in San Jose, California...or was it really the first
repeater? Some may argue that the first true repeaters were Morse code
operators in the mid-19th century who would relay messages across the
country--they were vital links in the chain who transmitted messages from
one place to another. (We still carry on their heritage today with such
organizations as the ARRL and the former CRRL--the second "R" is for
Relay.) If you want to use "relayer of a message" as the definition for a
repeater, then you'll have to go back a few more years than 1954; say
around 2,000 of them!
The first repeaters were arguably bonfires: they were built on coasts,
hillsides and towers and were frequently used by ancient Romans, Chinese
and Egyptians. The advantage of using these kinds of beacons were that
they were easy to set up: gather wood or other combustible material, light
it on fire, and "whoooooof!" Instant attention-getter. The problem with
it was three-fold: 1) you needed something that burned, so if you were
surrounded by sand or water you were out of luck; 2) you needed people
posted at dedicated sites for beacon watching, and 3) it didn't transmit
any information other than "Hey, over here!" or "Uh-oh" the latter one
being of real importance in the year, 1588, when a series of bonfires
placed between Cornwall and London were lit to let the British Navy
higher-ups know that the Spanish Armada was on its way. It worked: the
message got through faster than any horseman could've delivered it, and
seeing that they speak English, instead of Spanish, in the U.K., you can
pretty much guess who won the battle.
But I'm jumping ahead of myself by a few thousand years. Sorry.
The next recorded repeaters (dated 400 B.C.E.) were heliographs: polished
brass mirrors--or soldiers' shields--that reflected sunlight. (Alas, the
problem with that was that heliographs only worked half the time.) It was
a no-brainer: twist the mirror or shield in the Sun to either send coded
signals to a friend, blind your enemy as he approached, or use _en masse_
to light ships on fire in the harbor. As a signaling device the Roman
emperor, Tiberius, used a heliograph to exchange messages with the
mainland from his pleasure palace on the island of Capri, eight miles
away.
Early in the 19th century--1810, to be precise--a guy who was playing
around with magnetism perfected a mechanical heliograph. He was Professor
Carl Friedrich Gauss. (Hmmm, where have we heard that name before?)
Originally, it was used for surveying the German countryside but you know
the military: they can't leave promising technology alone. So,
within a few decades the British and American armies began using the heliograph as a wireless Morse code signaling device; electric lights later replaced the
Sun as a light source. (Remember all those WWII movies with the ships at
sea sending messages to each other [while under radio silence] using a
shuttered light? Technically, that was a heliograph.)
Oops. Once again I'm getting ahead of myself.
From the "where there's smoke there's fire" department, consider smoke
signals. Yeah, yeah, we've seen countless Western movies where the Five
Nations native Indians used smoke signals as a repeater, but they didn't
invent that trick: go back a few thousand years where the first record of
using smoke signals goes to the Picts, the warring folk who fought the
Romans stationed along Hadrian's Wall in England.
While we're on that side of the world let's jump to the year, 1794. Claude
Chappe, a Frenchman, and his brothers created a string of semaphore
repeating stations for the French military along France's coastline. These
stations had pivoting arms that, when turned to specific positions, sent
coded text. (See the attached pic and view this link:
http://www.archives.lib.soton.ac.uk/wellington/peninsularwar/transcripts/semaphore_trans.htm )
It was very effective; so effective, the British had to have a version of =
their own. With it, they were able to send a message from London to =
Portsmouth--a distance of 60 miles--in 30 seconds. (For you proud French =
folk, Chappe's system worked better and faster.)
Fast forward to the year, 1872. Morse code has been around for awhile, but
the problem of repeating messages automatically was up 'til then a
problem: you needed a competent telegrapher around to retransmit messages.
(For grins, read the following "Instructions for Telegraph Operators"
written in 1837:
http://labit501.upct.es/ips/libros/TEHODN/ch-2-9.4.html
) A notoriously famous cheapskate and "robber baron", Jay Gould, commission
ed a then up-and-coming telegrapher, Thomas Edison, to build an automatic
repeating telegraph so he wouldn't have to pay telegrapher's wages, which
he did. (Sorry, but I haven't been able to find a link with a good picture
of one. Here's one of his repeating telegraph discs, though:
http://www.p4a.com/itemsummary/156584.htm ) It worked as follows: the receiving
telegraph would use a stylus to punch holes in a rotating paper disk in
time with the code. After the message was recorded, the operator would
place the stylus of the sending Morse code key on the paper and through
gearing, it would track the holes: the stylus would dip in the hole and
thus send a dit or a dah. (Precursor for the phonograph record, the CD,
and the DVD.)
There was a quantum leap in amateur radio in the 20th century with the
creation of the first, true repeater in 1954 by a talented group of ham
ops in San Jose, California; which interestingly was on 2-meters _AM_. ( I
can't do justice to this part of the story any better than Bill Pasternak,
WA6ITF, did; he wrote about repeater pioneer, Art Gentry (W6MEP, SK).
Check out:
http://www2.arrl.org/qst/2004/03/pasterna.pdf .) When FM came
into its own, repeaters went FM because, among its many benefits, it was
relatively free from QRN.
Then another big leap came with solid state repeaters coming into their
own in the 1960s and 1970s; and they didn't stay on the ground, either:
beginning in March, 1965, the Oscar series of amateur radio satellites
opened the door to provide worldwide, repeater-type coverage that our
radio forefathers could only dream about.
Finally, there's the largest and oldest, albeit passive, repeater of them
all: the Earth's moon. It's a treasured QSL card that confirms a QSO by
way of the Moon! (Note to self: using the Moon as a repeater works much
better when it's above the horizon.)
I hope you enjoyed this brief history of repeaters. My thanks go to Zak
Lau, W1VT, at the ARRL for his help in filling in a few holes. Feel free
to use this article any way you want. Just remember, though, to give
credit where it's due, as if that bears repeating. *groan*
Ciao!
Rich, WF7A
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by W5RJ on July 30, 2006
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Great post ! Please do some more of these re-post. Brings back a lot of memories !!
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by K0BG on July 30, 2006
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I wish Fred Link was still alive, as I'm sure he would have a few comments about the "first repeater".
It is important to note that the AM box didn't stay on that long. I don't know the date, but it was replaced with an FM one. By 1960, there were dozens of repeaters, and some cities had several (Johnson County Kansas is a good example).
But alas, in some areas of the country they are a vast wasteland. Just yesterday, I made calls on three Lubbock, TX repeaters wanting some local information on a two way shop. I didn't get an answer on any of them.
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by K8MHZ on July 30, 2006
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Really nice work Rich!
Thanks for the great read. Have you ever thought about a series....'Dead Electrical Devices'?
Yuks aside, I think that such a series would be very interesting. But then I was a die hard fan of 'The Secret Life of Machines' and lament it's demise...
73,
Mark K8MHZ
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by WR8D on July 30, 2006
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Well, i guess i must say this and in this way because i'm an in your face kind of person, and shoot from the hip. Very nice article too by the way. Now back to repeaters. If we amateurs would talk on them more there would be no waste lands. Here in the hill country simplex is line of sight and there is no two meter ssb and all that stuff most you get to enjoy. The repeaters are located on mountain tops some like mine have emergency generators that kick in automatically. What i'm about to say is gonna tick some off but here it comes...the hams are gone. Elmering did not work around here and we have the dregs of cb in our hobby now. We can thank who ever the shoe fits for the dumb down. We can blame ourselves for letting these individuals get away with their behavior. Walk up to any ham thats been around a few years and ask them what they think of a repeater in this part of the country and they'll tell you they're worse than listening to cb, and this is the reason there are waste lands in this part of the country. We have mountain top machines linked over hundreds of miles of coverage and most would'nt get on the system if their lives depended on it because they'd get the "watche 20 or rogeeeoooo" treatment from the cb boys that now hold extra class tickets and don't have a clue about the time honored traditions of amateur radio. Times sure have changed since the repeater boom in the 80's. For myself i've got way to much money and to many years invested to just give it up. When it gets so bad here i can't stand to get on my own system i just bring Riley in and then its a few years of bliss. Shame we all can't get along anymore and the brotherhood of amateur radio is just about gone for good. I see it on cw and with the Am gang via the old boatanchors...the phone bands are like cb on steriods though and it all starts right there on the local repeater. They come into the hobby outlaws, meet more of their kind on repeaters then get turned loose on hf with their freeband ego's. Its one hell of a mess. From what i've seen here where i live this is the major reason for no activity on these machines. No respectable amateur wants to be involved with these types. We either take them back and wait for a ham to come along that wants to make a contact and get qrm'ed on the machine by these idiots...or we run the dregs off and nobody talks to anyone on them. One repeater site equals thousands of dollars usually in gear. You can get off a little easy with those old micors but its still lots of time, love for the hobby and money for a wasted cause. This time in amateur history is certainly one of those "not so great moments". WR8D
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by KD5RGJ on July 30, 2006
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WHILE WORKING IN MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE FOR A TELEGRAPH COMPANY, THOMAS EDISON MADE A REPEATER USING 2 CW DEVICES IN ORDER THAT HE COULD SLEEP THROUGH THE NIGHT. HE WAS FIRED WHEN HIS BOSS FOUND HIM ASLEEP EVEN THOUGH THE MESSAGES WERE BEING RELAYED ON TO THEIR DESTINATION
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by W6TH on July 30, 2006
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Well, not to brag, but I used the 2 1/2 meter band and then came the 2 meter; all phone and cw, but simplex. The start of the repeaters drove most of us off the band, the 2 meter band and withdrew from the repeaters, which we knew would be a disaster. That is exactly what it is.
Now for you Rich, WF7A, I have seen all of your post on the Military and the History channels, which I have gained no knowledge at all.
I noticed there was/were no mention of drums or to the extent of pigeons in flight, you must have gone to the kitchen for a beer or so and missed out.
But all in all, thanks for the post and it takes guts to post anything on eHAM; I want to thank you for the post.
Best regards, W6TH.
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by KI4PEQ on July 30, 2006
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WR8D,
Some good observations in your post. But I feel that you are painting newcomers to the hobby with a very broad brush. I hope that your thoughts on this are not due to a "sour grapes" attitude towards new amateurs, i.e. "their exams were not as difficult as the ones I took", "the ARRL dumbed down all the testing", "any idiot can memorize the test questions" etc. On this forum, there seems to be a lot of that sentiment.
I tried to become a ham at sixteen. I couldn't master the code, but I was pretty good on theory. Thirty three years later, I took the Technician test and aced it. I really thought there would be a lot more theory questions, but I found that it was mostly rules and regulations that were on the test. THOSE were easy. But to say that ALL newcomers are the "dregs of CB" is grossly unfair. Those of us new to the hobby had no input as to the amount or difficulty of the test questions. Nor did we have any input into the elimination of the code requirement for the Technician license. I took the test that was offered to me and passed with flying colors. Now I am studying code with CDs and a computer based trainer, which makes it much easier than when I tried as a younger man.
I am fortunate to live in an area with several active amateur clubs. who take an interest in new hams and give them the encouragement and guidance they need to excel in this hobby. Field Day was what cemented my desire to get further involved in amateur radio. I had a blast!
I do think that CW is important, and unlike some Techs, I do not expect HF access to be handed to me on a silver platter. Right now I am enjoying 2m FM, and my second rig will allow me to use 6m multi-mode. It's helping me to get through those first steps in becoming an amateur. I DON'T know everything, and do not profess to know everything. I have a lot to learn.
I only ask that experienced amateurs such as yourself will take an interest in new hams and help them to become better amateur operators. It is very easy to lament how the hobby has "gone downhill". It's much more difficult to actually seek out people who are new to the hobby and need the guidance and experience from amateurs such as yourself. I am glad to say the General and Extra hams in my local club take the time to answer my questions and welcome me into their circle. Unfortunately, many newly licensed hams are not as fortunate.
Please don't tar and feather the newly licensed amateur. There are some who think amateur radio is just glorifed CB. Some may be bad eggs. Most probably don't know better. Many of us want to learn and grow. Help us along, won't you?
73,
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by W6TH on July 30, 2006
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KI4PEQ
I think you have misinterpreted WR8D. I can't see where he has pinpointed any class of license other than those that hold the extra. He mentions the attitude of such and their behavor and no distinction of class.
The condition or fact of being dissimilar or distinct; difference: the crucial distinction between ham operating and cb.
Please read carefully the English language as I know it can be very confusing to many.
Good luck on your ham activities.
Best regards, W6TH.
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by K8MHZ on July 30, 2006
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"THOMAS EDISON MADE A REPEATER USING 2 CW DEVICES IN ORDER THAT HE COULD SLEEP THROUGH THE NIGHT. HE WAS FIRED WHEN HIS BOSS FOUND HIM ASLEEP EVEN THOUGH THE MESSAGES WERE BEING RELAYED ON TO THEIR DESTINATION"
This indeed would be something that bears verification.
I think you will find that he was only threatened to be fired and that was for spending too much time moonlighting on his projects, one of them being the telegraph repeater.
Also, CW and Morse code are not synonymous. CW is specific to radio and means continuous wave which is simply a mode in which Morse Code can be transmitted via radio as opposed to the technique using a spark gap generator.
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by W6TH on July 30, 2006
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Lets be more specific:
Spark is known as a "damp wave" and cw known as a "continuos wave".
Let it be known that I have seen the spark gap in motion and was allowed to send the letter "T" when a young boy.
I may have been the youngest commercial operator back then to send the "T" on a damped wave. I had to hold the key with both hands. The rotary gap was keyed, what was called primary keying and very much of a higher voltage across the key than of today.
I never knew Tom Edison worked for a living and always thought as a inventor.
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by KN4LF on July 30, 2006
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Nice article! BTW WR8D all of your comments are right on the money. Quality over quantity is always better in my book, unless you want to sell lot's of new rigs.
73,
Thomas Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL
www.kn4lf.com
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by W6WBJ on July 30, 2006
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But the problem with repeaters today is that the Commission has really screwed them up.
Part 97 says all types of amateur stations (individual, repeater, remote or auxiliary) have exactly the same rights. But the Commission was not happy with this, so rather than opening rulemaking proceedings to amend the rules, they simply decided to ignore Part 97's requirements and grant preferential treatment to repeaters in order to encourage their use.
Part of this idiotic policy was that the Commission gave repeater owners more than they asked for. For example, in the 1982 rulemaking proceedings to amend Part 97, the repeater owners asked that Sec. 97.205(e) be added to Part 97 merely to guarantee that if they turned their repeater off on somebody, it would not be considered intentional interference, and Sec. 97.205(e) was added for this reason. But this was not good enough for the Commission. In their misguided attempts to grant repeater owners preferential operating privileges, they ignored this legislative history and took it upon themselves to misconstrue Sec. 97.205(e) so as to provide, not that the owner can turn his repeater off on somebody, but that he can leave the repeater up and order the unwanted station to go away forever! The Commission has thereby allowed one type of station to dictate on what frequencies another class of station can operate, which is strictly forbidden by Part 97. The practical result has been that repeater owners have become such big A.H.'s that nobody wants to talk on repeaters anymore because they just don't want to deal with the A.H. repeater owners. Tune across the 2-meter band sometime. You won't hear any activity. 220 and 440 are used even less. The Commission has really screwed up repeater operations, making them so repugnant to most amateurs that they refuse to use them. You really need to watch out for those bureaucrats at the Commission because they think they know how to run the various radio services when there has been absolutely no evidence that they know their ass from a hole in the ground about radio regulation (indeed, all the evidence has been to the contrary), and their heads are so big that they are willing to ignore Congress' limits on their administrative powers, especially in a non-remunerative radio service like ham radio, where nobody is likely to want to spend the kind of money necessary to take them to court.
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by N0AH on July 30, 2006
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Rome, I give you the "The Denver Radio Club"
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by NS6Y_ on July 31, 2006
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The N6NFI repeater in Palo Alto is enjoyed by people all over the Bay Area, and help/directions/someone to talk to are almost always there, but when I go out of town, into Sonoma or Sacatomatoes, I notice ppl never talk on the repeater. Taciturn bunch.
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by W9OY on July 31, 2006
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How the heck do I get a bon fire to hang off my belt??
73 W9OY
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by K8MHZ on July 31, 2006
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Vito,
That must have been really cool!
Yes, Edison had several jobs starting at age 12. By age 16 he was a decent telegrapher and already working on ways to improve the system.
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HT = Handheld Torch
Belt clips were not standard equipment
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Again, great article and a fun read.
Thanks
Mark K8MHZ
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by KB2FBI on July 31, 2006
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And now, the repetition of the "correctness" of B.C.E. instead of the factually correct B.C. A falsehood can be "repeated" as fast as, or perhaps faster than, the truth. One of the biggest innovations in repeaters was the invention by Gutenberg. Moveable type made the first Internet or Relay League possible. Oh no! I just checked. The first message the printing press carried was, The Bible! It was Feb. 23 1455, A.D. Oh my! There is that big A.D. again. What is it like to spend a life looking back on history with a giant eraser? Then, what are you going to do about Apollo 8? December 8, 1968 A.D. (there I go again) and they read, and it was "repeated," from the Book of Genesis? Get your eraser out. Your reflection of a journey to erase Truth and so only repeat your falsehoods, will be repeated in the future.
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by K8MHZ on July 31, 2006
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Actually the printing press was a form of 'copy, store and forward' if any comparison of a radio repeater can be made.
As we define a repeater in essence the message has a start point and an end point with at least one station in between and it travels from one point to another.
A printing press takes a message and repeats it by making multiple copies of it, not by simply passing it on. My feeling is that it does not fit the author's definition of a repeater.
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by 2ARADIO on July 31, 2006
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Speaking of repeaters and newcomers (and apparently some veteran hams as well) some folks need a reminder of how a repeater works. Almost daily I hear a someone who has a barely marginal signal into the repeater being told by the party he's talking to that "there's something wrong with your audio - you're S9+ on the meter on my radio, but I can just barely hear you..."
Guys, you're NOT receiving the other station directly - you're listening to the repeater's transmitter re-broadcasting what it hears! There's nothing wrong with his audio, he just can't quite hit the repeater! If you listen closely in the future you'll be able to distinguish between situations where YOU aren't receiving the repeater well OR, the repeater isn't receiving the other station too well. But if we're going to try to give out well-meaning signal reports, let's understand what we are hearing!
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by WA2JJH on July 31, 2006
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I remember two events in so called modern repeater history.
Most area's had 34/94 machines with excellent coverage back in the 1970's.
The intro of the Henry S-1. The first synthesised H-T.
Before that we all had to order crystal pairs. We all had to wait weeks to use a new machine.
Then 2M went down hill. PL's were now the norm.
Most people back in my day had HF rigs. 2M was considered an expensive option.
You were "THE MAN", if you converted an old HT-220 to 2M. You really had bux if you had a decommisioned
police MX-350 for 70cm.
It was also popular to get old tubed mobile commercial rigs. People would spend hours rag chewing on 146.52 on an old Motorola.
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by WF7A on July 31, 2006
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As an aside, I have a correction: the part of the article where I referred to Greek soldiers using their shields _en masse_ to torch an enemy's ship while it lay in harbor never happened; the other day, I tuned into a _Mythbusters_ episode where they tried to prove whether Archimedes really did toast ships in the harbor using soldiers' polished brass shields as a huge solar reflector. With the help of an MIT professor and his students, the answer was a resounding "No way!"--myth "Busted!"
Okay, who's the wiseguy that sent me an e-mail with a picture of a repeating rifle?
Ciao,
Rich
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by AB9LZ on July 31, 2006
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"How the heck do I get a bon fire to hang off my belt??"
and when I do, how do I keep it from lighting by emcomm vest on fire and cinging the hairs around my exposed bellybutton?
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by K0RGR on July 31, 2006
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Yes, things have changed, however, this last weekend I was greatly encouraged by a trip through "darkest Iowa" in the middle of the night.
Thanks to this wonderful heat wave that's killing us all, we have some significant tropo enhancement going, and have had for quite a while. As a result instead of hearing repeaters within a 40 mile radius of me, I was hearing many at distances exceeding 100 miles. While driving through the middle of Iowa, I was hearing stations all over the state. I'm happy to report that even at midnight on Friday, and also in mid-afternoon on Sunday, there was a lot of activity on 2 meter FM - much more than I expected to hear. Repeaters not just in the big cities, but also in isolated rural areas were pretty supporting quite a few conversations.
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by WA2JJH on July 31, 2006
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"How the heck do I get a bon fire to hang off my belt??"
Simple....wear "hot pants".......HI-HI barf!
Back to the future. Green laser pointers can be had for under $100.
5mw can have miles of range(use IR at night)
One can get 40mw pointers for greater range.
Sure beats a handheld bon fire! OUCH!!!!!
dpss pointer lasers can also be pulse code or AM modulated. Yes morse code(CW) is the easy way. Simply
press the botton.
100mw handheld with TTL control can be found on ebay.
Expensive---$400. However you can do one heck of a laser light show.
73 de Mike {:
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by K8MHZ on August 1, 2006
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Mike,
Ever run into a guy named John Stupar (Bell Labs)? In 1974 he had a He-Ne laser and used it for voice transmissions in a demo to a very awe struck group of science students.
I always wondered what became of him.
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by WA2JJH on August 1, 2006
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I do not know if the dude is alive. I do own one of his lasers.
It is an old 3mw He-ne that can transmit audio and video. It was made by Metrologic. Sold thru EDMOUND SCIENTIFIC.
It uses high voltage transistors to modulate the old tube laser.
He-ne's run at 1500-2000VDC @ 5ma.
The sucker still works!
However with the new DPSS lasers(Diode pumped solid state) He-ne-s are an antique!
He-ne's have .01% efficiency. DPSS----A whopping 20%!
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RE: Not-So-Great Moments in Ham Radio History: The
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by WA2JJH on August 1, 2006
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If you check out the Empire State Building....You will see almost 100 RED windows.
These have replaced many microwave relay systems. The IR laser beam needs the deep red plexiglass windows/lenses to get rid of themal QRM and QRN!
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Not-So-Great Moments in Ham Radio History: The Rep
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by N8QBY on August 4, 2006
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W6TH wrote: "Well, not to brag, but" Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......you crack me up dude.
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Not-So-Great Moments in Ham Radio History: The Rep
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by KF6HCD on August 7, 2006
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Lost interest in the article because I didn't want to scroll back and forth...
How did that happen?
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RE: Not-So-Great Moments in Ham Radio History...
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by W0JRM on August 9, 2006
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A friendly note to the "haaaa...." dude:
Your over-extended laugh made the page so wide I gave myself carpal tunnel scrolling back and forth to read it.
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Not-So-Great Moments in Ham Radio History: The Rep
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by N8QBY on August 9, 2006
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A friendly note to the "haaaa...." dude: Sorry about that. That guy makes me laugh. My bad..
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Not-So-Great Moments in Ham Radio History: The Rep
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by N4FOZ on August 11, 2006
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Simply one of the best articles seen on this site. This piece is outstanding work! Please continue your efforts!
N4FOZ
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RE: Not-So-Great Moments in Ham Radio History: The
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by K8MHZ on August 12, 2006
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Hmmm...
This is an experiment:
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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