JARL Administration Says 'Yes' to PLC:
Kenji Rikitake (JJ1BDX)
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August 24, 2006
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* JARL administration said "YES" to PLC (Power-Line Communication);
many JARL members protest against the announcement without the
member consensus
The following contains the situation known as of 1830JST, August 23,
2006.
JARL administration said "YES" to PLC (Power-Line Communication)
proposal, which uses 2MHz to 30MHz spectrum, to the Radiowave
Regulation Council of MIC (Ministry of Internal Affairs and
Communication, aka the Telecom Ministry) of Japan, in their submission
of their opinion, dated August 7, 2006, for the Council Meeting held on
August 23, 2006, to gather public opinions in Japan among those promote
PLC and those who are againt to PLC.
The document submitted by JARL described that JARL accepted the legal
update proposals of approving public operation of PLC submitted by MIC.
While the document included a request of the governmnent intervention if
any interference issues were raised, the request was attached as a
clarification, not the condition, of the approval of PLC.
The document was authorized and legally signed by the following three
JARL administrative officers, who are responsible for the submitted
document:
Shozo Hara, JA1AN, President of JARL
Takenobu Kaieda, JH1HNH, Director and IARU Liaison of JARL
Akikazu Mori, JF1JSP, Director of JARL Technology Laboratory
No notification has been issued previously, until Mr. Kaieda revealed
that JARL said "YES for PLC", at the symposium on technical issues of
radio interference issues, sponsored by JARL and the Technology
Laboratory, held in Tokyo Ham Fair 2006, on August 20. The symposium
ended in a chaos caused by the self-contradictory claim of the JARL
officer.
JARL administration previously announced that they were AGAINST PLC.
Three major movements have already started among JARL members and other
people who are against the PLC in Japan, including but not limited among
the DXing and contesting communitities in Japan:
Toshikazu Kusano, JA1ELY, will file a petition to say NO to PLC against
this JARL administration's position, who also attends the MIC Radiowave
Regulation Council and explain his standpoint on this issue.
Katsuhiro Kitagawa, JH3PRR, has publicly announced to prove the
scientific consequence which PLC would raise in the technology is
publicly deployed, and to defeat the supportive arguments to be made by
PLC-J (PLC Promoters' Alliance in Japan) and JARL administration on the
Radiowave Regulation Council.
Takao Kumagai, JE1CKA, has announced to JARL Director General that he
will file a petition and a legal action for the three representatives of
JARL administration to immediately resign due to the conflict of
interest they raised against the Japanese Radio Amateur community, which
is against the bylaws of JARL.
// reported by Kenji Rikitake, JJ1BDX
// unlimited distribution permitted among the amateur radio communities
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by KZ1X on August 24, 2006
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I know of a noted Japanese ham who abruptly resigned from JARL over this, and he's not the only one. It's caused QUITE a row over there! I always consider the deferential Japanese culture when watching such happenings, so you can imagine how much of a hornet's nest has been upset. The equivalent situation here would see people in fisticuffs in Newington.
By the way, 'PLC' in this article refers to what we've been calling 'BPL' here in the US.
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by AI2IA on August 24, 2006
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I hope that we see continuing coverage of this BPL issue in Japan. With the large number of enthusiastic Japanese amateur radio operators and their skill and knowledge of radio communications, we can learn very much from how they handle this problem.
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by W9WHE-II on August 24, 2006
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"......many JARL members protest against the announcement without the member consensus"
Sounds like JARL's board has been taking lessons from arrl's board!
JARL never bothered to survey its membership over the BPL proposal and arrl's board never bothered to survey its membership over the "dumbing down" or "spectrum" proposals. From the article, it appears that JARL's board has the same attitude that arrl's board has:
"We know what is best for you even if you are too stupid to know it. So sit down, shut up, and send in your money".
Kinda surprising in light of how very important manners and politeness are in Japan. Certainly NOT suprising from the newington Boys Club. let's hope arrl's arrogance is not spreading to our bretherin overseas.
doesn't care what its membership thinks. JARL knows what is good for JA hams, even if JA hams are "too stupid" to know it.
REMIND YOU OF ARRL? IT SHOULD. arrl's board operates the same way. They KNOW what is best for you, even if you are too stupid to know it. That's why JARL and aarl don't bother to survey their membership prior to floating major proposals.
Wanna bet that JARL board members have
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by W9WHE-II on August 24, 2006
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"......many JARL members protest against the announcement without the member consensus"
Sounds like JARL's board has been taking lessons from arrl's board!
JARL never bothered to survey its membership over the BPL proposal and arrl's board never bothered to survey its membership over the "dumbing down" or "spectrum" proposals. From the article, it appears that JARL's board has the same attitude that arrl's board has:
"We know what is best for you even if you are too stupid to know it. So sit down, shut up, and send in your money".
Kinda surprising in light of how very important manners and politeness are in Japan. Certainly NOT suprising from the newington Boys Club. let's hope arrl's arrogance is not spreading to our bretherin overseas.
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by N7UQA on August 24, 2006
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I don't get it, are people getting stupider every day? How could the JARL 'endorse' something like this? Do they really believe the power company is going to make sure there won't be any interference? I just hope someone or group with some common sense defeats this grossly ignorant decision. I wonder if JA1AN, JH1HNH and JF1JSP's bank accounts had a sudden influx of funds. You would think these guys would have some sort comprehension of the laws of physics; and that you cannot couple RF onto widely spaced unshielded wires and expect it NOT to radiate. Apparently, the heads of the JARL are just as technically incompetent as our current 'politically appointed' FCC commissioners.
Craig - N7UQA
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by W9WHE-II on August 24, 2006
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"Apparently, the heads of the JARL are just as technically incompetent as our current 'politically appointed' FCC commissioners"
The BPL issue is NOT about technical issues. It is about ECONOMICS. Its time ALL hams understand this. You simply CANNOT kill BPL with technical arguments. ONLY economics can kill BPL.
W9WHE
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by KC8VWM on August 24, 2006
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Recent "Big Dog" ISP subscriber statistics.
http://www.isp-planet.com/research/rankings/usa.html
Earthlink, who offers PLC to subscribers holds only 5% of the entire boadband marketshare in the United States.
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by N7UQA on August 24, 2006
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The BPL issue is NOT about technical issues. It is about ECONOMICS. Its time ALL hams understand this. You simply CANNOT kill BPL with technical arguments. ONLY economics can kill BPL. W9WHE
Johnathan, it was the FCC commissioners 'lack of technical knowledge' that brought us this BPL fiasco in the first place. One should not have to wait for economics to kill off very unsound Internet delivery methods that cause more problems than they solve.
So, say if I came up with a alternative motor fuel that enabled your car to get an amazing 100+MPG. However, the exhaust smelled of rotting corpses, skunks, garbage and cost $.01 per gallon; are you saying that you wouldn't want it killed on the smell alone? And then to have an administration that would say 'get used to the smell', we're going ahead with this and let the market decide?
I know I'm just being silly here, but I still get fumed when people are put into positions they clearly lack the technical expertise for. It's like taking a bunch of lumberjacks and putting them in charge of Mary Kay cosmetics, or having them decide the course of womens fashions.
Craig - N7UQA
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by K0ZN on August 24, 2006
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Utterly amazing!
The ARRL executives are somewhat arrogant and push their own agenda for Amateur Radio (quantity, not quality), but they at least have the common sense to fight poor technical practices.
Something MUST be something missing here. Why in heavens would anybody in the JARL support BPL/PLC on HF ?? (Unless they had some "benefit" that impacted their position!)
This has to be a HUGE flap over there, because the Japanese are typically "consensus builders" and normally seek wide spread agreement on issues such as this.
-- K0ZN
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Errata
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by JJ1BDX on August 25, 2006
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Errata on this report, from an update. My apologies to Dr. Kitagawa and the others.
(note: "the previous report" is the main article on this BBS thread.)
// Kenji Rikitake, JJ1BDX
Note/Errata: in the previous report on August 23, 2006, the author
erroneously cited Dr. Kitagawa's position on this issue from an
unconfirmed source. Dr. Kitagawa claimed to the author that his position
on this issue did not represent his involvement to the PLC issue as an
amateur radio licensee, and that he had never claimed an opinion such as
reported in the previous report.
The author requests those who received the previous report titled "JARL
administration said "YES" to PLC (Power-Line Communication); many JARL
members protest against the announcement without the member consensus"
to replace the document with this report ASAP. The author is solely
responsible for the mistake.
The author regrets the mistake on the previous report, and shows his
apologies on the erroneous citation and the inconvenience which might be
caused on Dr. Kitagawa and others.
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by W1RFI on August 30, 2006
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> You would think these guys would have some sort
> comprehension of the laws of physics; and that you
> cannot couple RF onto widely spaced unshielded wires
> and expect it NOT to radiate.
In Japan, PLC is allowed ONLY in-premise. Access PLC is not permitted. The wires inside of buildings are rarely widely spaced.
The emissions levels permitted to in-premise PLC in Japan are significantly lower than FCC levels.
So far, in-premise PLC has been notched in the ham bands, reducing the emissions even lower. In the US, there are no interference reports involving in-premise PLC, with about 5 million HomePlug devices deployed.
Ed Hare, W1RFI
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