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Best Way to Know If You Get Out!

Peter Vekinis (KC1QF) on September 6, 2006
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I have been using a system for quite some a time that enables me to check whether my signal gets out and where, all with 100% certainty.

How?

Well, I use the www.dxtuner.com system, which puts many receivers around the world at your fingertips.

Just now I wanted to check if my antenna system operates as promised. So I went to DXtuner.com, selected one of the receivers (used the one in Berlin), set the frequency to my transmit frequency and started the receiver. After checking that there was no QSO in progress, I transmitted some test calls using my IC-706. A few seconds later my voice appeared on the dxtuner receiver telling me that I am getting out!

The dxtuner system was created by a group of Scandinavians, who use Java software that they install remotely onto a PC connected to a receiver (most of them are Icom PCR-1000) and a DSL/Cable line.

A couple of receivers are free; others cost a donation of about $50/year but don't quote me on this. The free receivers are fine for checking our signal however.

I have been using the DXtuner system on and off for some time, and find it useful for checking my transmit signal.

There are receivers in most of the US, most of Europe, South Africa, Australia, Canada, Dubai, Thailand and Venezuela.

It is amazing to hear your voice on the radio a few seconds after you transmit! Just like working satellites!

73
Peter, KC1QF/VE3PPV/LX1QF

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Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by WX1F on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It would have been nice if you had posted the URL's of the free ones for us net-search challenged types!
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by LNXAUTHOR on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
commercial application for a hobby! why didn't i think of this?

just think: set up your receiver, hook it up to the 'net w/a Web page, put up a PayPal link on the page, then watch the money roll in!

:-)

a good idea, but sorry, no way would i pay just to hear how well my signal is received by remote sites...

maybe the WinLink folks are interested?
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by N8CUI on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The URL is http://www.dxtuner.com/

I was surprised at the number of receivers available.

Jim N8CUI
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by K3UD on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sounds like this could be turned into a HF version of EchoLink with just a little tweaking.

73
George
K3UD
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by K7FD on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Better call the men in white coats in...he's talking to himself again :)

73 John K7FD
 
Software  
by K0BG on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
You forgot to mention that the application is Linux only! There is no Windows or Mac OS versions. This may change, but I doubt it considering who wrote the software.

While being able to listen to your own signal might have some benefits, you can achieve about the same results by listening for any one of the dozens of beacons scattered around the world. Better yet, they're free, and don't require software!

Alan, KBG
www.k0bg.com
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by NB1U on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Is there any way that the transmission might be interpreted as broadcasting?

Mark NB1U
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by W2FS on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
An excellent article, Peter. I went to this site, got a user code and password, but am having trouble finding any "free" receivers. Can you post a few that you have been able to use without paying a subscription fee?
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by W6TH on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Grab the free ones quickly before the price goes up.
.
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KC8VWM on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Just for clarification, RF test and signal measurement transmissions are not considered as broadcasting. Those involved in the Amateur Radio service are supposed to be conducting technical and experimental investigations of this nature.

In fact, station test transmissions are even considered as good engineering practice, if done on an non interfering and occasional basis.

This is the sort of investigational experimeting hams are supposed to be doing. Perhaps this additional tool in the tool drawer could be used as a new way of accurately pinpointing more precise RF propogation patterns.

73
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by AB2MH on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sweet! I have mobile internet so now I can figure out which places give me best signal...
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by PB2JJ on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hello All,

If you are on Echolink search for " hf remote " and there you will find some hf remote stations aswell. You can even transmit on these hf remote stations but you need acces from the owner to do this.
Check this link out http://www.hfremote.us/

have fun!

73 de PB2JJ
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KC8VWM on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sweet! I have mobile internet so now I can figure out which places give me best signal...

---------------------

... Can you hear me now? ....Good!

 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KB9CRY on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Perhaps this additional tool in the tool drawer could be used as a new way of accurately pinpointing more precise RF propogation patterns.


That's what DX beacons are for.

The propagation works both ways, if you can hear the signal then your signal will work also the other way.

But this setup will help to determine if your particular antenna/power setup will work, even though beacons are generally omin-directional verticals running lower power so if you can hear them your signal should be heard in the beacon's location also.

Phil KB9CRY
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by WW5AA on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Peter,

I have been on DXtuners for a long time. It really works great for me when I call a net...at times I can pick up check-ins that I don't hear on my radio. I get lots of good comments in the DXtuner chat window from SWL folks that just love to listen in. Many are in health care facilities and have mentioned that the pre-net and net is like getting back out into the real world.

Thanks for taking the flamming for me!

73, de Lindy
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by N9XY on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Interestingly, the DXTUNER site used to be called "JavaRadio".... at least until Sun Microsystems filed a lawsuit and forced them to change their name.

By the way, although Alan is right, their host software is written in Linux but you only need to set up a Linux machine if you want to make your receiver available as a node on the DXTUNER network.

You only need Macromedia flash plugin to control and listen to the DXTUNER receiver radios over the internet.

Beacons are no substitute for what the DXTUNER network of receivers can tell you about your station.

73
Michael
N9XY
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by AC7CW on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The cost is just $4/month or so and the DXTuner radios can tell you if you are getting OUT which is a little more than beacons will tell you. Besides which the DXTuner thing is fun. I'm cleaning up the shack, once I get a phone line out there and a computer I will likely get the service. With it you can be listening even before you get an antenna up.
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by NI0C on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm having problems with the title of the article. The author has highlighted one way to determine if he/she is getting a signal out to the world. But is it the BEST way? I think not.

It seems to me the best way to determine if one is getting out is to get on the air and make some contacts, whether by calling "CQ," or by answering the CQ's of others. Isn't that what ham radio has always been about?

Just old-fashioned, I guess.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by N4QA on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
You just saved me a bunch of keystrokes, Chuck...thanks!
72.
Bill, N4QA
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by WB9OVV on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Once again, an example of the saying, "No good deed goes unpublished." Or its corollary, "No good posting goes un-flamed."

73
 
Antennas work both ways....  
by NS6Y_ on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is what beacons, and known stations are good for - if you're receiving them well, and assuming your antenna is effective, if you can hear 'em you can work ham stns in the part of the world where they are.

Is this the direction no-code hamming is taking us? The XMradio mindset?
 
RE: Antennas work both ways....  
by KX8N on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"It seems to me the best way to determine if one is getting out is to get on the air and make some contacts, whether by calling "CQ," or by answering the CQ's of others. Isn't that what ham radio has always been about? "

That's a good point, but there have been alot of hams come on here and tell about getting their license, getting what appears to be a sound station set up, calling CQ for sometimes a week, and not have anyone come back to them. Sometimes it's just the signal not getting out, sometimes it's that the operators on the other end don't want to talk to a new ham. This way, you know for sure if the problem is your equipment, technique, or something else.
 
RE: Antennas work both ways....  
by VE3LXL on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Re: "This is what beacons, and known stations are good for - if you're receiving them well, and assuming your antenna is effective, ..."

Well, yeah, but the main point of the original post was to provide another way to test if your antenna *is* effective. If your antenna is a lousy radiator, it doesn't matter how many beacons you hear with it, it will still be a lousy radiator.

I don't think this is the *best* way to test if you're getting out - working other stations is better, IMO - but it is an interesting idea and I'm going to try it.
 
RE: Software  
by WA5ZNU on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K0BG wrote:
>You forgot to mention that the application is Linux only! There is no Windows or Mac OS versions.

This does not seem to be the case. The FAQ implies it requires only Macromedia Flash.
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by W1XZ on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Under prohibited transmissions part 97.113 the FCC talks about parties having pecuniary intrest...etc...etc. If the $4 fee goes to a ham it would seem to me to be if not in direct violation at least stretching the spirt of the rule.
Besides that and the fine line between broadcasting several responders have noted that actually making a contact would do the same thing...and actually be sort of...how do I say this...fun, and in the spirit of amateur radio. I fear though that here in the days of store bought wire antennas, Chief Dan Matthews wanna bees (go google it), and shacks on a belt this is as close to amateur radio as some falks will ever get. "Can you hear me now?"
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by WA5ZNU on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I don't see the issues you're seeing here. Is it illegal then to sell radios? Or operate a radio store?
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by AC7CW on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I look at the fees as being for developing and maintaining the software, making the service available to everybody, and besides, there is no ham license necessary to use the DXTuners network.
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by WA1RNE on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The live streams are fun, but are especially so if the station you're working is simulcasting as well.


Last winter, I worked YU1FJK on 75 meters who was also simulcasting via live stream with a 30 second delay.


http://www.yu1fjk.org/index.htm


I didn't really appreciate how well I was making it over the pond until I heard my signal come back over the web.


Just for the heck of it, I ran a quick test with other east coast stations on frequency which provided an actual 1:1 comparison from my own operating position.


Great for antenna comparisons.....


WA1RNE
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KX8N on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I look at the fees as being for developing and maintaining the software, making the service available to everybody,..."

Even if that weren't the case, look at clubs, repeaters, and phone patches. Lots of clubs charge fees when you join, which entitle you to use their repeater and/or give you access to their phone patch. In a very round about way, this is charging for use of amateur radio equipment. But we know that some of the fees go for equipment upkeep, use of landlines, etc. Same thing here. Someone has to pay for the radios being used, the internet connection, upkeep of the equipment, etc.
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by NB3O on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hey, I gotta better idea. If you've been CQing relentlessly with no response, and feel hearing yourself through a remote receiver is just too impersonal (or expensive), why not request a sched by emailing some of the folks on this thread. It would accomplish the following:
1. Find out if you really are putting "fire-in-the-wire", band conditions permitting.
2. Get to hear the actual voices and/or CW behind some of the most interesting (and ridiculous) dialogue.
3. Support a seldom-used method of communicating (radio frequency) as opposed to eham.net forums.
73 de NB3O
 
RE: Antennas work both ways....  
by WL7CMG on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
NS6Y...."IF YOU CAN HEAR THEM YOU CAN WORK THEM"....I've heard it a lot and I really have a problem with this statement. Just too may variables. One of them is just how weird propagation can be at times. And the other....yes, YOU may be able to hear them because YOU have a good antenna AND great reciever. Just because YOU can hear them doesn't guarantee that THEY have a good enough receiver OR antenna to hear you. They may be "trying" to run a KW into a bad, or unmoveable directional antenna system and you may only be hearing only their audio with little, or no signal strength. Add that to them possibly running a lousy receiver too, and there's a real good chance they won't hear you no matter how many watts you run. What about all the times you've heard "I have an s9 noise level tonight"....??? I'm sorry but I have just heard it way too many times where 2 or 3 guys all in the same area that you are hearing well, and will be telling you they hear you fine. But that one guy will say they don't hear a thing. The receiver AND noise is also a HUGE part of the equation. BTW....You know what they say about....."when you assume"......hi. 73
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by WI7B on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

OK, I was dubious, but I tried the DEMO receiver, then signed on to DXtuner.com for a year at $50.

Tonight, I heard myself on 75m from Canada. What a revelation! I was able (briefly and in accord with Part 97) to test my rig with and without speech processing, with and without the linear amplifier, and QRP down to 5W.

Yes, I heard myself with only 5W into BC, Canada on 75m. I have been able to optimize the performance of my station in a short amount of time, At the same time I've minimized the amount of input power necessary to communicae under typical conditions existng now.

What a great tool for the amateur.

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: Software  
by KC9AAE on September 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
-> You forgot to mention that the application is Linux only! There is no Windows or Mac OS versions. This may change, but I doubt it considering -> who wrote the software.

You forget to mention that this is for the DX-Tuner node, i.e. server. The client is java based, which works on most everything.

Regards,

Dana
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KB1IIX on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I've had my General ticket for about 3 years now. A childhood dream come true.

I think it's sad that computers are becoming so prevalent in the ham world. It's the item that seems to be "center stage" on a lot of the shack pictures.

Guess I'm old-fashioned, but I just want to get on the air, find someone, and have a nice QSO.

Bruce
KB1IIX
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KC0VCU on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
There are several things that make having a computer in the shack useful.

Logging. And all that goes with it. Having a good handle on who you've worked, and where in the spectrum. It can be nice. If the system is online, you may even be able to see where that contact you are interested in making is sitting on the spectrum as well.

DX spotters. Ok, so you have this syste on the net, or even on a dialup connection to an ISP. Now find out where people in you area are hearing others at. Sure beacons can give you a lot of that information as well, but if there isn't a convienent beacon in the area of that elusive contact, but someone else has heard them. You get the picture.

Rig control. Either just to keep track of where you are tuned up, possibly for the logging program, or even to fully replace the front panel of the rig (how many people do you know who complain about that ft-817 lcd panel being too small?) You can even remote your radio and control it from you apartment that you can't get a usable signal into or out of.

SDR, (pc based) can make that PC into the radio. Not happy with the DSPs that the manufacturers are including at the IF stage? Set up filters to your own requirements.

SDR (radio based) Well, actually you end up with a aplication specific computer where the application is a radio, but most of the same advantages exist.

Digital modes. I can't make hide nor hair of SSTV without a computer for the most part. That's pretty much true of most of the post RTTY digital modes, and I don't see a lot of TTY devices out there being built today for that matter.

I will grant that a pc isn't a lot of help in rag chewing. And some people will never use a pc during contesting, for whatever reason. I won't go into the positive or negative aspects of sending and receiving code via a pc, other than to say that if you are going to send from one pc to another, code probably isn't the best method.

But this is mostly off topic.

73,

-Rusty - kc0vcu
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KB1IIX on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Rusty,
Points well taken. And thank you for your comments. I do use a computer for logging. It is well suited for this.

I guess I'm just not a fan of the "digital" modes. I've worked professionally with computers since 1986 and just don't want them in my leisure activity.

Best...

Bruce
KB1IIX
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by N3OX on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I think the DXtuner thing is pretty cool. There is no one aspect of ham radio experimentation that is going to take over the hobby and ruin it for anyone; using a remote RX over the internet to tweak and measure your signal is certainly consistent with the spirit of ham radio.

I get distracted by the computer sometimes. Actually, I get distracted by antenna building sometimes and don't make any contacts for weeks just because I'm trying something out. Some people don't even really like to make contacs, they like to work on their stations.

As far as the computer distraction goes, I should really just put it away when I'm on the radio. I do like to have the DX spots going in the background, but then I end up on eHam and...

uh-oh.

Back to 20m!

Dan
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by W1XZ on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Good points Rusty. I still get a little uncomfortable thinking someone is charging money enabling an amateur operator to listen to his/her signal, and what you say is correct. The computer is a great tool, but not the answer to everything.
When we got into the hobby at the level of general or above we should have all garnered enough knowlege to understand basic radio, antenna, and propagation theory. If you have 50 watts output to a dipole antenna a quarter wave legnth above average ground, your transmitter is properly adjusted, and you hear a similarly equipped station they should hear you. Aside from QRN/QRM there is very little evidence of one way skip. Now that doesn't say they don't hear someone else better, but you should find compatibility. I also like the idea of setting up a sked with someone here on the board to see if you are "getting out." It serves two purposes. It may make you a new radio friend, and you can see if those cranky old coots actually are active. My email is listed on QRZ. It is nice to hear yourself on the air, but is it worth 50 bucks a year for something you will use 10 times?
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KX8N on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"There is no one aspect of ham radio experimentation that is going to take over the hobby and ruin it for anyone; using a remote RX over the internet to tweak and measure your signal is certainly consistent with the spirit of ham radio. "

You're right. In fact, experimentation is one of the things that amateur radio is all about.
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by AC7CW on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It is nice to hear yourself on the air, but is it worth 50 bucks a year for something you will use 10 times?

Maybe I am as much SWL'er as ham but there are things you can do with the tuners that you cannot do otherwise. One would be to listen to emergency police/fire traffic remotely. One of the tuner stations is near a fire in California even as I type, you might be able to "scoop" the news teams!!

I think the originator titled his article correctly. Listening to your own signal remotely is the best way to find if you are getting out. You are not dependent on another operator at a distance that you do not know to report your signal, signal reports can be subjective. It is the most objective method, some would argue it is not the best because it is not in the spirit of what they see Ham Radio to be but regarding objectivity, it does not get better than what the DXTuners can do for you.
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by WI7B on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

Sorry, but I'd thought I'd add one more comment about the utility of remote tuners (DXtuner.com).

By using a DXtuner in Florida, I was able to hear our East Coast net controller 59 on 40m. I usually copy them only 22-33 at the QTH. Additionally, when a local thunderstorm QRN'd the received signals, I knew I was still getting out by listening to the net remotely. You know, if you can't hear them because of local weather QRN/QRM, it doesn't mean they can't hear you.

Use it 10 times/year? I've used it 5 times in one night!

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KX8N on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"You are not dependent on another operator at a distance that you do not know to report your signal, signal reports can be subjective."

Which brings up another point - you can find out exactly how you SOUND. Just because you're signal gets out, that doesn't mean your station sounds good. This way, you know exactly what you sound like (of course whether or not that's a good thing is up to the operator).
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by NS6Y_ on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The uncertainty of HF propagation is also why the military uses stuff like ALE you might want to check out www.hflink.com for info on stuff like that......
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by WO7R on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>The propagation works both ways, if you
>can hear the signal then your signal
>will work also the other way.

But, what if, to give one easy example, you have a different transmit and receive antenna?

Or, what if you were worried about losing power somewhere in the transmit chain?

Generally speaking, I've found receiving more forgiving of problems than transmitting. I can foresee uses for this.



 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by K8MHZ on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
DX Tuners used to have free access. They got to a point where they had to charge or fold.

Those that would have voted for folding can simply not use the service.

Those that would have voted for charging can pay the meager few bucks they ask and use the service.

It's all good. So why the complaints?
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KC6VCH on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
S-Meter Website Receivers
You have come to the wrong place if you want to pay for receiver audio streaming.


You can listen to these receivers at the S-Meter site.

http://www.smeter.net/slc/slc.php
Salt Lake City S-Meter 75/80m

good one chuck
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by KX8N on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>The propagation works both ways, if you
>can hear the signal then your signal
>will work also the other way.

IF your signal is actually getting out. Plus, if you are running QRP, and he's running 1,000 watts, you could very well hear him, but he not hear you.
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by N3OX on September 7, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Or if you only have a receiver :-)

What is always true: If you can't hear 'em, you can't work 'em.
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by N0IU on September 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AC7CW wrote, "It is nice to hear yourself on the air, but is it worth 50 bucks a year for something you will use 10 times?"

Well let's do the math...

If you pay $50 a year for 10 years, that comes to $500.00 For me, I think it would be a much better investment to put that money into an antenna system. No, you can't get a MonstIR yagi on a 90' tower for that kind of money, but I promise you that if you spend $500 on a quality system that best suits your operating environment, the only thing stopping you from "getting out" will be propagation and there isn't anything you can do about that anyway.

Scott N0IU
 
re...Antennas work both ways  
by QSYING on September 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
<<Is this the direction no-code hamming is taking us? The XMradio mindset?>>

What this has to do with no-code is a complete mystery.
 
RE: re...Antennas work both ways  
by N3OX on September 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
On the other hand, N0IU, $50/year is like $4/month. Considering how much we pay for our cable and your internet, it's sort of a drop in the bucket. $4/mo is not much for renting a bunch of remote receivers if you like it and think it's fun. I doubt that there is a big problem with hams running out of money to upgrade their antenna systems because they subscribe to DXTuner... or get a latte at Starbucks once a month, for that matter!

Dan
 
RE: re...Antennas work both ways  
by KC8VWM on September 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have easily paid more than $50 bucks a year to support several local repeaters.

How is contributing money to use this "service" any different?

73
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by WW5AA on September 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
And for the price I enjoy listening to the following:

AM/FM broadcast from all over the world.
Public service (Police, Fire, Air traffic control, Military) from all over the world.
6 meter traffic in South East Asia.
Taxi cabs in Berlin (talk about flammers)

I'm not much on digital, but It sure is a great way to check your PSK and RTTY signal. I make lot's of contacts every day, but after listening to other stations signal reports, I'd rather hear my own! If you like DX, try getting a signal report from an inhanced hi-fi audiofile and visa versa.

Although I do not have a large ego (;-) It's always fun to have a SWL comment on my having a great signal. I guess it's all in what you make of it!

73, de Lindy
 
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by W1YB on September 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah...

I recall when 'real hams' hated the thought of SSB, FM, (You can add the rest!)...

'Nuff said.......

73
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by NI0C on September 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Like any application of technology, this one could easily get out of hand and be abused. I'm thinking of one local ham who is simply neurotic about his signal and has to check his tuning and SWR during every transmission he makes. He's been a lid for nearly fifty years. I can imagine what would happen if someone like him would subscribe to this service. One way to minimize the QRM would be to charge for each use of the service, rather than a flat annual rate.

Look at the abuse of the DX clusters. Watch a spot, then listen on the DX frequency . You get the tuner uppers, the ???, and the coy "QRL?'s" issued by people who can't hear the DX. Look at the number of "spots" put out for "test" purposes, and to brag about the latest QSL's received.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
RE: Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by K2WH on September 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Wait a minute. You transmitted on a certain frequency and then the remote receeiver/transmitter re-tranmitted your voice over HF?

If it came over the internet, then this is another stupid use for radios. Why not just use a mic connected to your computer and talk to the computer. What a ridiculous waste of time and intelligence. Couple this with echolink and all the "link" crap and you no longer need a radio or antenna.

It seems as though amateur radio's are now becoming secondary and an accessory or interface to computers. Not the other way around. GOD help us all.

K2WH
 
Best Way to Know If You Get Out!  
by K6CU on September 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Great idea, and the demo is free. But, after half an hour, the demo ends.

Subscription is $50 a year... it is NOT free forever!
 
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by K2WH on September 9, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
As amateurs, your computers need not be your primary mode of communication. Remember why you are an amateur or ham. Use the radio to talk to another amateur for a signal report.

Lets get back to our traditional roots. Use your radio.

K2WH

(Ham for 38 years and a bonafide computer junkie, but not for ham radio communications, only for logging.)
 
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by VE3LXL on September 11, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I think some people on this thread are missing the point. DXTuners, and other similar sites, only enable you to *listen* to remote receivers over the Internet. That's all it is. There's no access to transmitters, no retransmission of signals. It's only for listening.

I tried out the demo receiver at DXTuners, which is located in southern Sweden, and it was very interesting tuning around the ham bands, the mediumwave band, and the longwave band. It was the first time I'd ever heard what the radio scene sounds like in Europe. I also tried that other receiver that someone posted about, in Salt Lake City, and that was also very interesting, hearing what the ham scene sounds like on 40 metres in the western half of the continent.
 
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by K3NRX on September 11, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
DXTuners, and other similar sites, only enable you to *listen* to remote receivers over the Internet

I'd be interested to know what are some of these "similar sites?".....because as much as I like DX Tuner.com, their subscription fee is entirely too high.....someone please advise....

Vince P
KA3NRX

 
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by N4KC on September 11, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I love this site! I think you could do a post in praise of motherhood and get royally flamed for your trouble. Why are some of you so dadgum irritable all the time?

There's nothing wrong with hearing your signal as others hear it. Among other things, you can tell about audio quality and how your signal compares to others in the area of the receiver. If someone wants to pay for that service, why the heck not? It's perfectly legal, even if they charge for it. If you don't want to use it, you don't have to. And if you don't want a computer in your shack, don't put one in there! You can even go back to spark gap if you so desire.

Here, by the way, is another similar site:

http://3819khz.net/listen.htm

Oh, and it's free.

73,
Don N4KC
www.donkeith.com
 
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by AI2IA on September 11, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This may be a way to know if you get out. It may be a costly way. It is not the best way to know if you get out.

The best way is this way:
Begin by joining your local ham club, and then
1. Know your transceiver, or take the time to learn it very well.
2. Know your antenna, your tuner, your coax, and anything else you have in the line.
3. Invest in a few good pieces of test equipment and use them.
4. Arrange to QSO with another ham whom you respect, or CQ until you find a ham whom you respect and who will help.
5. If you make sure the frequency is not in use and call CQ properly, clearly, distinctly, and not in a rush, someone will come back to you.
 
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by WR8D on September 13, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
There's not enough humor on these threads so i hope to put a smile on a few faces...This is kinda like you know you're a red neck if??? You know you're get'n out when you key the mic and speak and a few of them red led's light up on the alpha. You know you're get'n out when you bust a pile up that sounds like there's thousands calling some rare dx station and he's calling "you". You know you're get'n out when you're working Europe with the beam turned SW--its' in the other dang direction, "long path" for you youngsters. You also know you're get'n out when you got that monster on the tower tuned SW, work'n them islands, and the next day you go and find all kinds of birds laying "dead" on the SW side of tower. "Typed in perfect redneck hillbilly english". So none of you highnoses need to complain about my use of our damned language. Hope i spelled it all correct some will want to jump me about that too. Life is simple out here in the country. Vast distances separate us frum out neighbors. If you hear a dx station and ain't work'd em. Just keep turn'n up the power till he comes back. It'll get em ever time. By now i hope some of you are get'n a kick outa this. Honestly this is the way we sound here in ky and Wv. I love to just talk with and listen to some of their accents too. For some reason though when i get in a ragchew with one they always tell me that i'm the one with the accent. This happens all the time to me, imagine an Irish gentleman telling me that i have the accent and he does'nt. "Actually has happened". Wonderful people all over the world and what a joy to communicate with them via this wonderful hobby. In closing i'll leave you city slickers with this thought. Yeah even my buddies out there in those corn fields in Indiana are "city slickers". You guys all want to be rednecks but ya can't talk like us mountain people here in the hills. This accent i got really gets the dx all in a fuss. All the above events described have happened, the names of the mountain folks were withheld cause Riley is look'n fer a few of us. "This ain't really true Riley, you know me better than this". 73 God Bless and certainly Gud Dx! I'm John Blackburn WR8D and i approved this hear cyper. One other thing i forgot to mention, when i key the mic and i'm on my henry 5k classic floor console and the lights dim just a little here in the shack...i know sumpton for sure is about to happen. Some here in the mountains think they've had one of them ufo experiances when their engines die...i'm just keyed up on the henry and they've drove by my home and get in the beam path. --... ...-- "that stuff right there is one of them modes that make the lights dim too". 73 John:
 
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by KC1QF on September 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well,
first of all apologoes for the late reply, but I have been travelling.
Secondly, as it has been said, there are other ways of checking your signal, this is my way.
Thirdly, as already said, the fact you pay $4/month is not much when you consider you listen to your own voice, in other words, skip a hamburger, or a beer or two coffees or a salad or a couple of chocolate bars every month and you pay for it.
Fourthly, the system runs under Linus and Mac OSX (I have asked the developers to test it under Mac OSX, which is in fact Unix/Linux based with a fancy user Interface.
DXtuner.com is fine for me but it may not be fine for you, and that's fine. I just want to bring to the surface a site that may not be well known in amateur radio circles.

Peter, KC1QF/VE3PPV
 
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by G3LBS on September 22, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
You shouldn't need to get out if you are commendably obsessed with home (sic) radio - you should stay in the shack.
 
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