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New York Public Service Commissioin Recognizes BPL Interference Concerns:

from The ARRL Letter, Vol 25, No 42 on October 20, 2006
Website: http://www.arrl.org/
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New York Public Service Commissioin Recognizes BPL Interference Concerns:

The New York Public Service Commission (NYPSC) this week adopted a policy statement on deployment of BPL systems in the Empire State. While asserting that BPL technology "may provide significant benefits to New Yorkers," the commission also has acknowledged that BPL "poses a myriad of both traditional and unique technical and regulatory challenges." The policy statement, issued and effective October 18, says that while most BPL providers, equipment makers and vendors believe the FCC's Part 15 rules address interference issues, that was not the consensus opinion of those who commented to the Commission.

"Most parties were uneasy about potential interference problems that could arise with the deployment of BPL technology," the NYPSC policy statement pointed out, citing RF interference as "a major issue."

The NYPSC policy affirmed its decision that electric utilities should not be BPL providers. Utility Consolidated Edison still operates a BPL trial system in the Westchester County community of Briarcliff Manor that has been the target of BPL interference complaints from radio amateurs. The policy puts primary responsibility for RFI on the BPL provider, who, under the NYPSC model, would lease access to the electric utility's grid.

"The BPL provider is primarily responsible for responding to all customer service and collateral service complaints and issues, including any related to interference produced by BPL equipment," the policy statement says.

In his oral comments to the NYPSC, Robert Mayer, director of the New York Office of Telecommunications, characterized the interference issues as "serious and unresolved." Mayer told the Commission that radio interference is "probably one of the most fundamental questions" facing BPL and that it remained unresolved.

"It's one of the things that this commission needs to be most vigilant about as these trials are deployed to make an assessment of what interference issues exist," he said. Mayer also predicted an uphill battle for BPL in gaining market share.

The NYPSC's policy statement encourages electric utilities, BPL equipment manufacturers, and third-party BPL operators to participate in such trials. "Given the uncertainty surrounding the technical and economic viability of the technology," the policy noted, "trials would be for a limited service territory over a limited period of time."

ARRL CEO David Sumner, K1ZZ, said the policy statement the NYPSC adopted this week effectively damns BPL with faint praise.

"In sharp contrast to the vacuous endorsements of BPL that sometimes emanate from public utilities commissions, New York State's has actually taken the time to assess the risks posed by BPL and to take steps to insulate the electric utilities and their customers from them," Sumner said. "The Commission found that BPL is not yet -- and may never be -- commercially viable, and that radio interference is a 'major issue' that has not been put to rest by the FCC."

Earlier this year, the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) adopted regulatory guidelines for electric utilities and companies that wish to develop BPL projects in that state. The CPUC said BPL would bring Internet access to "underserved communities" in California.

ARRL Lab Manager Ed Hare, W1RFI -- the League's BPL point person -- said the NYPSC's policy statement reflects "a fair and complete look at the issues" by regulators who didn't base their findings on presumptions and a preconceived desired outcome. "This is an example of how government is supposed to work, and New York's Amateur Radio community should appreciate this," he said.

Source:

The ARRL Letter Vol. 25, No. 42 October 20, 2006

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New York Public Service Commissioin Recognizes BPL  
by W6AH on October 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well it appears the ARRL's legal action to enjoin the FCC's R&O on BPL is bearing fruit within a week.

Faced with the distinct possibility of having to defend itself in court the New York PUC has issued a statement recognizing the interference potential of BPL. It also directed NY Utilities that are contemplating offering Broadband over Power Line NOT do so directly but rather lease their lines to 3rd Party Providers. An obvious attempt to insulate themselves from any legal fallout that may result from BPL Interference.

It's good to see the ARRL fighting for the interests of it's members.

W6AH
ARRL Life Member 32 Years
 
NY Public Service Commissioin never heard of arrl  
by W9WHE-II on October 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Well it appears the ARRL's legal action to enjoin the FCC's R&O on BPL is bearing fruit within a week"

Doubtful.
Its UNLIKELY this release is a response to arrl's litigation. Such poloicy statements are approved by all members of the commission. It likely took MONTHS to hammer out a release that all members approved. Giving arrl credit for this is like giving the rooster credit for the sunrise.

Now, had arrl sent NY PUC one of its wildly successful and terror-inspiring "demand letters"..... then we might think otherwise. Afterall, just look how much fear, respect and immeadiate action arrl's demand letters to FCC provoked!

 
We appreciate both the NYPSC & the ARRL  
by AI2IA on October 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"ARRL Lab Manager Ed Hare, W1RFI -- the League's BPL point person -- said the NYPSC's policy statement reflects "a fair and complete look at the issues" by regulators who didn't base their findings on presumptions and a preconceived desired outcome. "This is an example of how government is supposed to work, and New York's Amateur Radio community should appreciate this," he said."

You can be sure that all amateur radio operators in New York appreciate the position taken by our Public Service Commission on BPL trials. The folks in our Commission do not live in a vacuum, and they do indeed know how to do their research and obtain data from those on both sides of the BPL issue. We hams are also fortunate to have people like Ed Hare, W1RFI, and the ARRL to contribute factual information based on their first-hand experience investigating the operation of BPL as it is currently deployed.

 
RE: We appreciate both the NYPSC & the ARRL  
by NN4RH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I must be reading a different statement than everyone else. I see mostly state agency double-talk.

Sure, they "recognize" interference potential, but do they say they will discourage BPL development because of that? No, of course not.

They go on to say that they want to encourage MORE BPL trials!

But they say that they want the BPL companies to be separate from the state's utility companies.

So what this really seems to be, is the NYPSC being in favor of BPL, as long as they are not the ones responsible for addressing interference complaints. They're just passing the buck.
 
RE: We appreciate both the NYPSC & the ARRL  
by W6AH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"They go on to say that they want to encourage MORE BPL trials!"

You must be referring to thus.

""It's one of the things that this commission needs to be most vigilant about as these trials are deployed to make an assessment of what interference issues exist," he said. Mayer also predicted an uphill battle for BPL in gaining market share."

What Mr Mayer fails to understand is the period for trials is over. As far as the FCC is concerned the Rule Making process is over, the R&O Issued and the MO&O filed.

By making this statement Mayer is implying the FCC did not do it's job properly.

What the ARRL is now doing is addressing the matter through the courts by filing suit to enjoin the current regulations. Until this stage is complete Utilities and BPL Providers are not go to spend money procuring equipment.
 
New York Public Service Commissioin Recognizes BPL  
by K2JVI on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have one thing to add-how do you really spell BPL interference relief?

M-A-R-K-E-T-P-L-A-C-E.

With everything going on with Fiber to the home, wireless offerings, etc. I don't see how anyone would
want this technology. I have been following the various news groups and websites(such as dslreports.com) and the number of BPL related articles and news items has really decreased in comparison to other technologies. This coming from an IT professional, namely myself.

73's..
 
RE: New York Public Service Commissioin Recognizes  
by W9WHE-II on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K2JVI is right.
The ONLY thing that can kill BPL is economics.
Not arrl and not a bunch of whiny hams. If BPL is not competitive, it will fail. If it is competitive, we may have to deal with it.

 
New York Public Service Commissioin Recognizes BPL  
by W1YW on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"RE: We appreciate both the NYPSC & the ARRL Reply
by W6AH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"They go on to say that they want to encourage MORE BPL trials!"

You must be referring to thus.

""It's one of the things that this commission needs to be most vigilant about as these trials are deployed to make an assessment of what interference issues exist," he said. Mayer also predicted an uphill battle for BPL in gaining market share."

What Mr Mayer fails to understand is the period for trials is over. As far as the FCC is concerned the Rule Making process is over, the R&O Issued and the MO&O filed.

By making this statement Mayer is implying the FCC did not do it's job properly.

What the ARRL is now doing is addressing the matter through the courts by filing suit to enjoin the current regulations. Until this stage is complete Utilities and BPL Providers are not go to spend money procuring equipment."--W6AH
-----------------------------

Exactly where is the evidence that shows the ARRL is acting with support and on behalf of it's membership?

For example, I am a member and I do not support this wasteful activity, because it has nothing to do with Part 97.

Where is the evidence that anything other than a small minority of the membership supports this action?

Thanking you kindly in your provision of said evidence.

73,
Chip W1YW
 
New York Public Service Commissioin Recognizes BPL  
by W1YW on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"So what this really seems to be, is the NYPSC being in favor of BPL, as long as they are not the ones responsible for addressing interference complaints. They're just passing the buck"

---------------

Of course it never WAS within their purview, and complainst are handled at the federal level, through the FCC. But we all know this.

'Natch!

73,
Chip W1YW
 
RE: New York Public Service Commissioin Recognizes  
by NN4RH on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>> Of course it never WAS within their purview, and complainst are handled at the federal level, through the FCC. But we all know this.

Chip, apparently you misunderstood what I was sayhing. Here is the long version:

The part 15 rules on access BPL require interference complainants to attempt to deal with the BPL system operators first, before even going to the FCC. And the BPL operators are responsible for mitigating any interference according to those rules. In theory there should not even be any need for FCC involvement.

If resolution isn't achieved, then the complainant can file a complaint with the FCC and the FCC can then order the BPL operators to comply, and fine them if they do not.

But the FCC of course doesn't own or operate the equipment, therefore they are not responsible for fixing any problems. Ultimately the BPL operator/system owner is responsible for addressing interference complaints.
 
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