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The E-H Antenna Revisited

from Steve Katz, WB2WIK/6 on October 24, 2006
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"Editor's Note: Due to the popularity of some of eHam's older articles, many of which you may not have read, the eHam.net team has decided to rerun some of the best articles that we have received since eHam's inception. These articles will be reprinted to add to the quality of eHam's content and in a show of appreciation to the authors of these articles."

The E-H Antenna Revisited

By Steve Katz, WB2WIK/6

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A recent article on eHam.net, which can be found at http://www.eham.net/articles/3586, by KE0VH, discussed the virtues of the `E-H Antenna.'

Since that article can still be accessed on line, there's no reason to rehash what it said. If you visit the E-H Antenna website, http://www.eh-antenna.com, or a related site, http://www.qsl.net/w0kph/, you'll find more information relating to the theory, design and operation of E-H antennas. Unfortunately, for all its virtues, which I'll summarize here, the E-H isn't much of an antenna.

Having said that, I should also say that it's definitely not a dummy load. It makes contacts, solidly and easily. It's reasonably easy, and inexpensive to build. The only drawbacks I found, operationally, are that within reason and based on the designs provided in the articles, it won't handle a lot of power and the design is single-band in nature. It's a high-Q antenna that won't tolerate multiple band operation, at least not in the form discussed.

Virtues

Very small, very lightweight, very inconspicuous and unobtrusive - a good `stealth' antenna that could be employed almost anywhere, despite antenna restrictions.

Evidently quite efficient. Not to say its performance is on par with a ½-wave dipole - it's definitely not. However, the power applied to it is mostly radiated, as evidenced by the fact that I can run 100W CW to it for an hour and observe almost no component heating, which would be obvious if much of the 100W were dissipated, due to the small size of all the components.

Narrowband, but not so much that it won't cover most of an amateur band. The 20 meter model assembled, tested and shown in this article covered about 150 kHz of the 20 meter band between 2:1 VSWR points. Not so narrowband that it's not useful over the entire band; however, it's narrowband enough to reject out-of-band signals well. (It does, and much better than the typical `wire' antenna - which I find useful.)

Reasonably environmentally stable, for a hi-Q antenna. The model shown, using two mica compression trimmer capacitors for tuning, would drift 100 kHz or so down the band if it got wet, in the rain. When it dried off, it would drift right back up to its originally resonant frequency. I operated it in very hot (100 degree+) weather, and also in cooler (55 degree) weather, and the resonant frequency did not notably change. (I did not try sub-freezing weather.)

Best of all, the damned thing made contacts. Lots of them. I'll discuss that more in a moment, but making contacts is what it's all about, and the E-H can do it.

What's not great

Well, it's not a panacea. If I had to choose between having no antenna or having the E-H, the decision's clear. But, if I had to choose between having the E-H or having a ½-wave dipole, or a good vertical, that decision would also be clear, and the E-H would not be the choice.

Also, being a hi-Q, single-band antenna design, for anyone who wants to work a bunch of bands, they'll need a bunch of E-H's. Of course, the Bilal Isotron antenna (http://www.rayfield.net/isotron), which is amazingly similar operationally to the E-H, has the same problem: If you want to work four bands, you need four antennas. People seem to do that.

And, don't be tempted to `QRO' with this antenna. The breakdown voltage rating of even mica compression trimmers isn't sufficient to run much more than 100W of power to this antenna. I suppose the antenna could be redesigned using much larger, heavier components to accommodate higher power, but then the advantages of small, lightweight, easy and inexpensive to build are lost.

The test

The antenna shown was borrowed from Dave, KD3V, in Hollywood, CA. He already had one that he said worked well, so rather than start from scratch building one, I simply borrowed his (thanks, Dave) for a period of weeks. Dave didn't build this antenna, he just loaned it to me; it was actually constructed by Ivo, WA6SUA, evidently for Bob, KL7EAL, who is its rightful owner. This particular unit is beautifully done, obviously by someone technically talented, using premium materials. The cylindrical radiators are copper tubing, the inductors are Teflon-insulated wire, and the trimmer capacitors are high-quality mica compression units, as recommended by W0KPH.

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Figure 1: The E-H construction, close up. Ivo did a beautiful job, and I doubt anyone could do much better.

The most important tests were the `on-the-air' ones performed mostly in October and November 2002. Hundreds of contacts were made from my station on 20 meters, CW and SSB, over paths ranging from direct wave (2-3 miles) to long-path F2 propagation at distances of more than 10,000 miles. In all cases, I had other antennas to compare to, instantly. The E-H antenna was installed on a non-conductive PVC pipe, as recommended by the articles, and placed 20 feet above ground on the roof of my home. Its feedline, about 20' of RG58A/U connected to 80' of high-quality RG8X coax (International 9092, about the best RG8X on the market), went to one port of my Alpha-Delta coaxial antenna switch. Two other ports of the same switch are connected to my 6 element LPDA beam up 53' on a tower in the backyard; and to a Hustler 6BTV vertical antenna on a roof tower (about 25' above ground at its base, and about 30' away from the E-H installation), with several radials. It takes less than one second to switch between all three antennas, observing signal strength and listening to strength and clarity of any station worked, or even heard.

I'll tabulate the results with some specifics, just for fun. Possibly some reading this article will be in my list of logged contacts, which is too long to reproduce in its entirety.

Overall, here's what happened:

E-H compared with 6BTV vertical: Typically -20 dB (down) from the vertical, on virtually any path - long, short, or between. Kind of amazing. Confirmed the 20 dB delta using a precision attenuator (HP 355D), it's really 20 dB alright. And quite consistently.

E-H compared with Tennadyne T6 6-element LPDA: Typically -30 dB (down) from the beam, dependant upon path, but still amazingly consistent. On some paths, perhaps only -20 dB; on some, up to about -35 dB, but on average, about -30 dB, again confirmed using the 355D precision attenuator (lab calibrated, traceable, +/- 0.2 dB).

Just for fun, I tried using a random-length wire, #18 gauge insulated copper hookup wire, just cut to 65' long and tossed out the ground-floor window, with no tuner or any matching devices of any kind, plugged into the fourth port of the switch using a `banana plug' to terminate the wire and make it fit the center post of an SO-239 connector. The wire and the E-H antenna were frequently neck-in-neck on received signals; however, I had no way to match the wire to make it work for transmitting, so this was a `received signal' test only.

The lab

I brought the antenna to the EMC lab at JMR Electronics Inc. in Chatsworth, CA (http://www.jmr.com) and placed it on the non-conductive rotating test table in the RF anechoic chamber to measure the E-H's radiation pattern and gain referenced to a NIST-traceable standard antenna. A snapshot of the test process and chamber used can be found at http://www.jmr.com/custom/compliance_1.html. This chamber is quite large and is virtually reflection-free from about 100 kHz through 10 GHz, and performs extremely well (like `free space') in the 14 MHz region, so measurements made therein are considered quite accurate by the FCC, CISPR and other agencies. In fact, this particular chamber and test site is NVLAP-accredited and on the FCC list of approved test facilities, of which there are fewer than seventy in all the U.S., last I checked.

Results: As well predicted by actual on-the-air use, the E-H measures between 20 and 22 dB below a 0.5WL dipole* at 14.150 MHz, its resonant frequency, depending upon planar orientation. I rotated the antenna in every possible manner (remotely, using robotic equipment in the chamber) and could not come up with any `amazing' results, no matter what I did. It measures about the way it works, no better, but no worse.

What does this mean?

I'm not sure. I guess it means that if you have a 100W transmitter connected to an E-H antenna in free space, that will perform about a well as a 1W transmitter connected to a ½-wavelength dipole in free space. Sounds like quite a compromise, but then, most people using an E-H probably don't have room or permission to install a ½-wavelength dipole, which, on 20 meters, would be more than 33' long and need to be 33' above ground to work like a dipole.

When one considers the 20 meter E-H is about 0.025 wavelengths long (!), can be made to look like a ventpipe extension, bird feeder or many other acceptable accessories, might cost $10 to $20 to build, and actually makes contacts on the air with reasonable ease, it's a hell of a deal.

In my operating experience, I often started a QSO using one of my regular, larger antennas, then switched to the E-H, logging the difference in signal reports (both ways). I sometimes told my contact what I was doing, and sometimes not. Sometimes I told my contact I was `switching to QRP,' and requested a new signal report, as accurately as they could provide. That 20 dB figure just kept recurring. If I was S9 with the 6BTV vertical, I'd drop to S5-S6 (18 to 24 dB change) with the E-H, if I could trust people's S-meters. I don't trust S-meters in general, so that's why I kept reaffirming with my own S-meter, calibrated by a lab standard attenuator.

In most cases - probably 90% -- the station I contacted with the large vertical or beam continued to hear me with the E-H, although weaker. And I could hear them, too. In about 10% of the cases, the contact would be lost by making the switch to the E-H. Those were the cases where the initial signal just wasn't that strong, and switching to the E-H would drop it into the noise level.

During the ARRL November Sweepstakes (CW), I initiated and completed several contacts on 20m using only the E-H. I think every single station I called came back to me, and we completed the contact - all five seconds of it!

I worked a `big gun' in India, Sabu, VU2ELJ, long-path (over the south pole) on 20m SSB using the E-H and 100W PEP output. Sabu gave me a `56' report. Normally, I work him using a kW and a beam, and I'm S9+. But, you know, 56 is a workable contact, and this guy is on the other side of the world.

Summary

Would I willingly sacrifice 20 dB of signal strength, both transmitted and received? Nope. But would I rather have an E-H antenna than be off the air? Yep, yep, yep!

I subscribe to the “if it was that great, everybody would be using them” theory of product development. And perhaps even more so to the “if it was that great, contesters would be using them” theory, because amateur radio contesters will try anything that provides the slightest operational edge. In the case of the E-H antenna, everybody isn't using them, and I don't know even one contester who is. Clearly, this design is not replacing Hertzian antennas any time soon.

If you want to read about the operational theory, go to the websites referenced earlier. But all that aside, if you want a miniscule antenna that can make global contacts with a bit of operator skill and propagation, try building an E-H. Especially if you can't install a `regular' antenna, due to restrictions. You'll be surprised.

WB2WIK/6

*Note: A 1/2WL 20m dipole isn't required to make this measurement. We use a NIST-traceable calibrated antenna reference standard and correlate data from that.

Contact tabulation

I promised an abbreviated contact tabulation, so here it is! All contacts are on 20m, either CW or SSB as indicated by RST reports:

STN DATE/TIME RS(T) RS(T) NOTES

w/6BTV w/E-H

VE3XAP 10/3 0031 59 55 Sam-Toronto

WO3Z 10/6 0203 599 559 NR 179-PA

KY5R 10/6 0210 59 55 NR 171-AL

AL7ES/7 10/7 0014 59 56 Terry-mobile in WA

W4USR 10/7 2353 589 539 Dennis-NC

N2UI 10/8 0054 599 549 Tom-NM

K1EKF 10/10 0049 59 56 Rich-GA

CO8ZZ 10/18 0121 59 55 Raoul-Cuba

These are very representative of results over a 6-week period. A total of 296 contacts were made with the E-H during that time.

-30-

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The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by SSB on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This antenna looks like a waste of time when a small loop antenna can and does work very well when constructed correctly. I laugh alot when I read antenna articles since none of them ever give field intensity readings that would actually measure an antennas ability to radiate RF. The words used to describe antennas are so vague and useless, based on virtually nothing that matters, whats the point?

Alex......
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by VK2GWK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The most likely reason the E-H antenna is so popular is that it looks great: very impressive with all those colourful coils. And great satisfaction after constructing one that looks as nice as the one in the pictures!
But..... as an antenna... any piece of tuned wire works better than this great looking contraption!
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KX8N on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
A good article by a good ham. Now let's see how long it takes for someone to come through and ruin it.
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by LX1LH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well,

my last QTH was surounded by antenna allergic - otherwise nice - neighbors. The EH antenna served here the right purpose (no discussions with mentioned neighbors) and one contact on 20m in CW as dd1zh at this time with Japan (tentec scout 555, 50W, comercial EH Cobra 20 antenna) showed that it really works.

Now as LX1LH with a "mature" GPA 30 it works better but when you have antenna restrictions this (non-)antenna is mopre than just a comprimise.

Best 73 es gb de Lutz, LX1LH
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by K0BG on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I hadn't read this article before, and in true Steve Katz style, it is done very well.

The old adage about any antenna being better than nothing is a little misleading I think. If the E-H is all you have, it is all you have, and you make do.

However, if one thinks long enough, there is usually a way to come up with something rather more efficient. We are, unfortunately, in the age of instant gratification, and if the unit was mass produced, they'd probably be very popular, efficiency notwithstanding.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KT8K on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I would imagine that any one of a number of extremely stealthy antennas would do better -- 18 gauge magnet wire tucked under shingles or vinyl siding, or lying in a vinyl rain gutter, aluminum rain gutters, magnet wire strung in the trees, wire taped around the ceiling or attic, a flagpole with buried radials, a TV antenna on a mast used as a vertical (with wire counterpoise/radial(s)), etc. No need to give up all those precious dBs ...
Good rx to all & 73 de kt8k - Tim
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9OY on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
<I laugh alot when I read antenna articles since none of them ever give field intensity readings that would actually measure an antennas ability to radiate RF>

This is a most bizarre comment. This antenna was evaluated in a certified anechoic chamber, AKA gold standard. 20dB down from a known traceable reference in an anechoic chamber is an absolute gold standard field intensity reading.

I find this article gives a very complete evaluation, and I thank Steve for takikng the time to test the antenna and document the results. If every antenna article had the precision of this antenna article there would be far less darkness in how, and how well antennas work.

73 W9OY
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9OY on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I do have a question. Where did the 20dB go? This is a resonant antenna, and 100W is delivered and the components don't "get hot", so where did the 20dB (99 watts) go?

73 W9OY
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KR6DJ on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I had very good results using a hamstick on 20M with a counterpoise. At the time I lived in an apartment and put the antenna out on the balcony. It was much lower profile. Not knocking this guy's antenna, just saying.
 
RE: E-H Antenna Revisited - and debunked - again  
by W9WHE-II on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"...if you have a 100W transmitter connected to an E-H antenna in free space, that will perform about a well as a 1W transmitter connected to a ½-wavelength dipole in free space".

In other words, about 1% as efficent as a dipole. ALMOST ANYTHING, other then a dummy load, would be better.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KC7QDO on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well I never got around to making together one of this antennas. However I have had a few qso;s with a few people on 20 meter voice. Right around S9 from New Mexico comes to mind on the top of my head.

It was fun we chatted for a while. So I know they work and I use a long wire and to be honest I was surprised for what it is and the theory behind it that it works as well as it does.

Thanks for helping me remember an enjoyable qso about 5 years ago that stuck out.

73 to all.

Bruce
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W4SK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K0BG states a sad truth - if mass produced, they would likely sell well. Elmers owe a duty to their students, to carefully explain antenna efficiency matters and installation choices, in hopes that the new hams understand all their options, and that they don't expect too much from these devices.

-W4SK
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Wow, this re-ran, didn't know it would.

The E-H is the "rubber ducky" of HF antennas.

It's highly selective and about 20 dB down from a dipole, just like a rubber duck for VHF. Hundreds of thousands of those are in use...

Reflecting back on this four years later, the one thing I can recall that might justify using the E-H, as compared with a piece of wire tossed out a window (which seemed to do about as well, for lower cost and less work), is the E-H is very frequency selective. I live very close to a 250kW SW BC station operating near the 17m band, and aimed just about right at me. MANY receivers cannot deal with this well, and exhibit "unique" problems in the presence of that station when random wire antennas are used. The E-H sharply rejects the BC station's signal and I had no problems receiving amateur signals at all using some fairly mediocre equipment (FT-817, IC-706MK2) that normally falls apart with the "random wire" antenna variants.

So, there might be one justification...

I think an "Isotron" or one of the Hi-Q Loop antennas has similar qualities and also strongly rejects out-of-band interference, so those are other possible options.

WB2WIK/6
 
Oh no! Not THIS again!  
by KF6IIU on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"An EHam Classic" -> "Guaranteed to bring out the true believers who know that the ARRL, Trilateral Commission, and the Masons conspired to suppress the Truth about this antenna just like they did the Truth about the internal combustion engine that ran on tap water."
 
RE: Where did the 20dB go?  
by KF6IIU on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I think if you were to test this antenna (or any inefficient one) in some cort of calorimeter-like device you would find that it does indeed radiate 99W of heat. It's just that given the mass of the antenna, air circulation around it, and typical ham intermittent transmit duty cycle, it is hard to notice.

My 300W-rated dry dummy load gets barely warm at 100W, for example, because it's got a big massive resistor inside which air circulates around, and is usually under load for only a few seconds at a time. But it does heat up.

Assuming no part of the antenna would arc over at 1KW, you could hook it up to a big amp, then it would probably be obvious which parts if it were dissipating heat.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W0IPL on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Let's be honest. The EH antenna is a good antenna for someone that likes to play with antennas. W0KPH was my Elmer as I got going in the 70s and I have spent several hours at his house discussing the EH and am amazed at the variations you can come up with for the EH antenna.

In one variation he is very proud of, he made a contact in SoCal from Boulder CO on PSK31 and after discussing the antenna with the other station they both started reducing power to see how far into QRP they could go and maintain communication. They lost solid copy (got down to about 80% print) at 800 MILIwatts.

Good, solid, works every time antenna? No, not at all. Fun to play with to see what you can make something that small do, type of antenna? Sure is. Good indoor antenna? Not unless you run QRP.
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by G0GQK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm still waiting for someone to produce a design for 160 metres because this is the band where most people have difficulties.

Mel G0GQK
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9WHE-II on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"The E-H is the "rubber ducky" of HF antennas"


Not realy. The E-H is FAR LESS EFFICENT.
A rubber duckie is MUCH MORE efficent then the EH.
A Motorola UHF whip is only about 1 DB down from a 1/4 wave whip mounted on the radio and even a VHF whip is only about 6-7 db down. An E-H is more like 20 db down!



 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KE4ZHN on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Seems like an awful lot of work for something that performs slightly better than a dummyload. You can easily do better with a simple wire antenna. Why bother to build this thing for mediocre performance?
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KX0R on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
We should realize that this resonant antenna creates a strong near-field, and that it can easily couple into other conductors nearby, including the outside of its own feedline. Electric utility lines, house wiring, gutters, etc., all become part of this antenna when we mount it on a rooftop.

The Isotron is similar may couple into local conductors also.

Some of these coupled conductors may be good antennas themselves, once excited by the EH or whatever. Some of the "magic" results and amazing stories associated with these antennas probably come from the coupling to other conductors that become reasonably effective antennas.

Even Steve's test site on the roof shows a lot of wires in the near field, some of which may have improved this antenna in comparison with its performance in the anechoic chamber.

The idea of using a stealth type of radiator to excite a larger, already-in-place conductor as an antenna is a pretty good concept for folks who have restrictions on what they can put up. This is like BPL in reverse, where we use the utility lines as radiators for our purposes. Just don't get too close to those high voltage wires...

KX0R
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KC8VWM on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I suppose it could be disguised as a vent pipe...

 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Actually it is not the EH that is radiating, but the coax line is radiating.

The EH acts as a reactive load at 50 ohms and this will give one a low vswr reading.

Anyone can take a long length of coax and put just a coil and capacitor at the far end and then resonate the coil and the capacitor (tune for lowest vswr) and the coax will do the radiating.

.......What a farce.......What a snow job.......

W6TH
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The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W4VR on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Man oh man, you certainly do have lots of power and telephone line wires criss-crossing your property. Makes one wonder how much coupling into those wires and resulting absorption/re-radiation actually occurs on that parcelof land. Other than that, good article.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Lots of wires, true, but they're not very close.

I used an F-stop of 22 for the photo so everything's in focus, from near to far...the wiring in the background is all mostly 60 to 120 feet away.

Not very far at 1.8 MHz, but 1-2 wavelengths at 14 MHz.

Probably there is some coupling, never attempted to measure it.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
.WB2WIK

Steve, I didn't mean to bust your bubble, but there is a difference between a resistive dummy load and a reactive dummy load.

A resistive dummy load consumes power and a reactive load does not consume power, therefore the reactive load will terminate the coax line and will let the coax radiate.

Simple AC (Alternating Current) theory.

No hard feelings, 73, Vito W6TH.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N3OX on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
If you got -20dBd at home and -20dBd in an anechoic chamber, I suppose you weren't getting too much coax radiation or coupling into nearby conductors.

The trouble with the EH antenna is, of course, the goofy "theory" behind its operation.

Thanks, Steve, for putting it through its REAL paces and showing what it actually DOES, regardless of what some proponents of the antenna might say it does.

Dan
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KC8VWM on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

Tom, W8JI has a pretty good writeup explaining how this antenna "really works" noting some interesting observations behind the "theory" of this antenna.

Good reading.

http://www.w8ji.com/e-h_antenna.htm



 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The reason for the article in the first place is that shortly before that, I'd never even heard of the E-H antenna. Dave KD3V had one already built to loan me for some tests.

It sure is small.

MUCH smaller than the magnetic loops on the market that cover 14 MHz.

While a similarly sized clip lead installed at the same location might radiate exactly as well, the tuned circuit the E-H presents provides a wonderful match to a coax feedline (tuned to VSWR = 1.0 right at the antenna feedpoint) and covered the band well enough that no retuning was required going from 14.0 to 14.35 MHz.

So, it would have one advantage over the clip lead: No "tuner" required!

As I mentioned, 50' of hookup wire tossed out my shack window received about as well as the E-H...but I couldn't transmit with it, so no contacts could be made.

This is a great example of how "It works great!" type reports get started, though. If the *ONLY* 20 meter antenna I had was the E-H, I might say it worked pretty great. I called a bunch of stations using it, and they all heard me, including a guy in India. Isn't that "great?"

:)

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NS6Y_ on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH - a coil and a cap tuned for resonance at the end of the coax, .... you've been looking at the Isotron patents haven't you?

BTW at Pacificon I got to talk a bit with the Ventenna guy - very intelligent and knowledgeable, and interesting to talkl to, and his ant's are very popular - because most places in the US are so antennphobic that it's a Ventenna or nuttin'. Also, lots of gov't as in spy or just want to keep a lot profile, lol, users too.

The Isotron looks like a bird feeder. This E-H thing looks kinda like a tall vent. I suggest you get and use Teflon wire in a variety of rainbow colors, it is really very pretty! - And, it does NOT look like the common person's conception of an antenna.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N3OX on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I called a bunch of stations using it, and they all heard me, including a guy in India. Isn't that "great?" "

Yep, that is how it happens! It's too bad that people fall prey to this, though... it's really a case of not being able to know what you're missing.

Dan
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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W6TH - a coil and a cap tuned for resonance at the end of the coax, .... you've been looking at the Isotron patents haven't you?
......................................................

I did not and if I want to know something, I refer back to my college days and go from there.

I design by math and theory, seems it always works better for me.

Oh, by the way, the ARRL has a very good amount of information in regards to the resisitve loads and the reactive loads, but you may have a problem as they don't tell you how to put it all together.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N3OX: Yep.

If somebody's 30 dB above the noise and you work him with an antenna that's 20 dB worse than average, you still have a 10 dB signal margin. Easy contact, easy not to know that with a real antenna you'd be 20 dB stronger.

Happens every day.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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The 20 dB of loss should determine whether should you use it or not.

To gain your 100 watts you would need 10,000 watts of power, because -20 dB is a loss of 100 times.

Another, it is not a EH antenna by far; it is a reactive load terminating a piece of coax of length to radiate the RF field.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Please read this and how can it be true?

The lab

I brought the antenna to the EMC lab at JMR Electronics Inc. in Chatsworth, CA (http://www.jmr.com) and placed it on the non-conductive rotating test table in the RF anechoic chamber to measure the E-H's radiation pattern and gain referenced to a NIST-traceable standard antenna. A snapshot of the test process and chamber used can be found at http://www.jmr.com/custom/compliance_1.html. This chamber is quite large and is virtually reflection-free from about 100 kHz through 10 GHz, and performs extremely well (like `free space') in the 14 MHz region, so measurements made therein are considered quite accurate by the FCC, CISPR and other agencies. In fact, this particular chamber and test site is NVLAP-accredited and on the FCC list of approved test facilities, of which there are fewer than seventy in all the U.S., last I checked.

Results: As well predicted by actual on-the-air use, the E-H measures between 20 and 22 dB below a 0.5WL dipole* at 14.150 MHz, its resonant frequency, depending upon planar orientation. I rotated the antenna in every possible manner (remotely, using robotic equipment in the chamber) and could not come up with any `amazing' results, no matter what I did. It measures about the way it works, no better, but no worse.
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I rotated the antenna in every possible manner (remotely, using robotic equipment in the chamber) and could not come up with any `amazing' results, no matter what I did. It measures about the way it works, no better, but no worse.
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I don't agree to this, impossible.

Say Cheese.

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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito, what are you alluding to? Of course it's possible, I did it, myself.

Come on out and witness a repeat test, if you wish. I have everything except the DUT (E-H) antenna, and could probably borrow that, again.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,
I have everything except the DUT (E-H) antenna, and could probably borrow that, again.
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What is the "you have everything"? Tell me what you have. I will then tell you why it is impossible to get those same readings, equal to on the air testing.

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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Everything" means the EMC lab described.

It's pictured here:

http://www.jmr.com/custom/compliance.html

and includes a 10m RF anechoic chamber, and $3 million in RF generators, calibrated antennas, detectors and spectrum analyzers used as receivers.

Ferrite lined chamber (all six surfaces) with under-the-chamber catwalk for cabling to the control console in the next room (where all the test gear resides, outside the chamber).
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Ok Steve, now give me all information on how you had the set up to run the testing of the so called EH.
.:Like how it was mounted, fed and so forth.
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by VE1BLL on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W9OY already asked, and I'll ask again: Where did the 20dB (99%, 99watts) go? If it isn't (sic) going up as loss/heat, then where is it?

PS: I'm surprised that 'The Pompous Time-Sink' hasn't dropped by to add his $.02.
 
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by HAMMERTIME on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH,
I believe you are really " Vito " Spatafor off of the Sopranos arent you???
So, how did that Cue Stick feel????
 
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by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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HAMMERTIME
I don't have a clue.
Dancing with the stars are on so must qrt.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KX8N on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"The Isotron looks like a bird feeder."

All the better for stealth operation, eh?

Anyway, I can't wait to watch Vito (and eventually Chip) try to prove Steve wrong. This is going to be good. Of course, they'll have to take a cheap shot about my mother or something for typing this, but oh well.
 
RE: E-H Antenna Revisited - and debunked - again  
by KE4PJW on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE said >>"...if you have a 100W transmitter connected to an E-H antenna in free space, that will perform about a well as a 1W transmitter connected to a ½-wavelength dipole in free space".

In other words, about 1% as efficent as a dipole. ALMOST ANYTHING, other then a dummy load, would be better.<<

That's about what, 3.5 S-Units down? Not ideal, but OK for a little runt of an antenna.
 
RE: E-H Antenna Revisited - and debunked - again  
by KC8VWM on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Not ideal, but OK for a little runt of an antenna.

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True, given the size of the antenna and possible "stealth" installation possibilities.

However, wouldn't you have much better results running an end fed long wire antenna out of your shack window in place of the E-H antenna feed line?

The end fed antenna could run to the top of the same PVC pipe of the same physical dimensions, located in the same physical location on the roof?

It would be interesting to compare the side by side results.

73 Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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kx8n
Anyway, I can't wait to watch Vito (and eventually Chip) try to prove Steve wrong. This is going to be good. Of course, they'll have to take a cheap shot about my mother or something for typing this, but oh well.
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We will leave you and your family out of this. I will say stay tuned because I know you will be of interest as to which way it is going. You will also get a greater knowledge of how an/a antenna radiation works.

There will be no charge for this amount of knowledge, it is gratis, on the house.

P.S. Don't need Chip a Ph'd as my double EE and masters will take the bull by the horns.

73
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by K8MHZ on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,

Nice job and great article.

But don't even try to talk sense or logic to Vito. You will fail. To Vito, Vito is ALWAYS right. Period.

Thanks for taking the effort to test this antenna. I have wondered about it since I saw the plans. From what you have done here I would hazard to guess that will a little effort, a short resonant coil loaded vertical 1/2 wave would probably work just as well and be much easier to make.

Myself, I have the room (barely) for dipoles and like building them and using them. And on occasion I hear your smooth DJ like radio voice here in Michigan. (Seriously, you and your station sound great!)

Next contest listen for me at home or on the W8ZHO club station.

73 de K8MHZ
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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K8MHZ

You do love me don't you. Sorry I am already taken.

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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KT6K on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

A closed mouth gathers no feet.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W0AEW on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Last summer I built an E/H for 80 meters and have had some fun talking to locals with it. It's mounted ground level so far, but will do more with it when I have time. A great toy to play with. Signal reports are considerably down from an end-fed random wire I normally use. I should've tried the dummy load, too!

The AntennaX articles do a good job of dismissing the theoretical nonsense supporting its operation.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NI0C on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"double EE"

What's that? EEEE?
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KG6AMW on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito, instead of being so dam cantankerous why don't you take Steve up on his offer and see for yourself, otherwise we have to assume you’re having a problem discerning reality.
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N8QBY on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH wrote:
" Steve, I didn't mean to bust your bubble, but there is a difference between a resistive dummy load and a reactive dummy load." You are wrong, you DID mean to bust his bubble. You get off on doing that old fella, so quit lying.
N8QBY
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito, I invite you to visit and repeat the tests yourself in the chamber.

10m anechoic chamber is a nice thing to have. Chamber dimensions are 23m x 23m (w x l) x 13m high.

If you looked at the photo in the link I sent you, you'll see a fixed location rotating non-conductive table on which any DUT rests. It's made of PVC and wood, as they all are, with no screws or nails. It rotates by remote command from the control room. You'll also see the robotic controlled antenna mast with a VHF log periodic attached. That's an antenna used for ~100-300 MHz. We have about two dozen other antennas. For 14 MHz, as with all measurements below 60 MHz, a calibrated loop antenna is used. Those are NIST traceable and come with charts plotting gain vs. frequency referenced to a dipole. The gain is negative, and these are +/- 1 dB.

The antenna mast is on rollers so it can move in any direction, closer or farther from the DUT as well as side to side, and can go as far as 20m from the DUT or as close as about 3m.

The DUT is the E-H, installed on a PVC mast above the table with its coax coming out the bottom of the table through a hole in the tabletop, then through the hole in the ferrite floor below the table, into a 10m catwalk under the floor and into the control room, where it's connected to a spectrum analyzer used as a receiver to measure signal strength.

The excited antenna is the loop, connected to a signal source which is an Agilent signal generator amplified by an Amplifier Research power amplifier capable of creating a 10v/m field.

The received signal strength is plotted continuously by the system, which is an EMC Systems (now known as TDK EMC) rack as shown in the control room photograph, using a standard PC and custom software that controls the source, the analyzer, the turntable and the antenna mast. As the system runs, the antenna is raised and lowered, and rotated axially and radially, to peak the received signal strength. Usually this is also done while sweeping the frequency spectrum over the range of the mast antenna, but in this case it was locked at 14 MHz and not swept.

The turntable also continuously rotates, although with the E-H antenna, this made almost no difference. The major difference was loop antenna orientation and height. When all is maximized, the system locks and we can look through a chamber screen window to observe the physical results, or view it via a video camera mounted in a corner of the ceiling of the chamber.

This test was performed with loop to E-H spacing of 20.0 meters horizontally.

The E-H is then replaced with another calibrated loop identical to the transmitting loop on the adjustable mast and the same test sequence is run. New signal strength is recorded and when maximized, stopped.

The signal strength recorded for the E-H is subtracted from the signal strength recorded for the calibrated loop and then compared to the gain of the loop. The loop gain at 14 MHz is certified to be -11.7 dBd, so that becomes the reference standard. The E-H antenna measures ~9 dB below the loop, or ~ -20.7 dBd gain.

System accuracy with regard to signal levels, loop antenna variations and chamber variations is certified to be +/- 2.0 dB.

We also have a 30m outdoor range, and although I didn't try using it for this, I have used it for other antennas in the HF spectrum and it correlates closely with results from the 10m anechoic chamber. The chamber's much easier to use because we don't have to constantly adjust for reflections and undesired signals entering the receiving antenna.

The E and H field recombination effects are not nearly the variable the E-H antenna designer/proponents seem to claim; in fact, we didn't note anything strange going on at all with regard to S/dx.

Come on down to watch the show, it's fun.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NU0R on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve, Great article! Don't be discouraged by any nay-sayers. I think I know you well enough to be sure you won't anyway. E-Ham needs more articles like this one. Your comparisons to various other antennas is very helpful for someone looking to get on the air using stealth. Based on what you said you can make contacts all day long with this antenna. So you don't get the ones below the noise floor--- big deal! You still make contacts. I firmly believe that there are still some very ingenious antenna designs yet to be discovered and they won't be found by a doubting Thomas, they will be found by people with outside-the -box thinking and much thought. People like you Steve-- people who are not afraid to fail or be scoffed. Great job as usual!
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NI0C on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm sorry, but why all this detailed analysis and testing devoted to a 20 meter antenna that's 20 dB down from a dipole?



 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is an old article that originally ran years ago.

I didn't build the antenna, I was just interested in it and KD3V offered to lend it to me for a while.

I think the conclusion is, with good HF propagation you can work the world with almost anything!

Now, in late 2006, propagation isn't what it was at the peak of the cycle, and it would be a lot harder to make contacts with such an antenna.

But, it will get better again, probably by 2010, and then the wet noodles will be working the world once again.

The E-H *is* a cute little thing. Hard to tell how small it really is in the photos. It's not larger than a 2m antenna, and smaller than any of my 2m antennas.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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by NI0C on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm sorry, but why all this detailed analysis and testing devoted to a 20 meter antenna that's 20 dB down from a dipole?<

::Why not?

This article was a follow-up to a different article on the E-H antenna by someone else. The design developed a following 4-5 years ago when a flurry of articles appeared all over about it. One website from a company who was manufacturing them commercially in Europe claimed broadcast stations were using them! So, it naturally follows that more information would be useful.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KC8VWM on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

It's probably important to understand that there are many other antenna's that are commercially available that are also -20dB down from a dipole.

Antenna performance is typically perceived in two different ways:

1) Using a comparison and scientific measurement approach.

2) Using an emotional perception and basing performance on a personal experience approach.

Most hams understand that this antenna is not ideal in terms of maximized performance criteria however at the same time most hams realize that it "works" for what it is.

To suggest that any antenna "works" is very subjective in scope.

However, how it "works" in comparison to antennas of equal and similar physical design and characteristics would be the overall objective when studying this particular antenna design.

I don't feel anyone is intending to imply or make any direct assertions and /or comparisons of this "compromise" design against the performance of a full size resonate dipole in free space. Nor do I feel anyone is suggesting it would perform more than optimal in less than ideal installation situations.

However, sometimes it is the less than ideal installation condition that is the deciding criteria for some antennas. Performance is not always necessarily the main determining factor that's measured in the form of antenna decibels over an isotropic radiator.

I would be more inclined to compare it against a compromise design such as a hamstick or other antenna of similar physical dimensions, cost and ease of installation in similarly restricted environments.

Basically, if that's not your pre determined qualifying criteria, then it's apparently obvious this antenna design is not going to perform on any level for anyone.

The original designer of this antenna should have been more upfront and honest about that fact. It would probably have been accepted and considered a "good" antenna otherwise. However the original designer of this antenna does not do that and makes outlandish claims about it's "magical properties" and superior performance instead.