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The E-H Antenna Revisited

from Steve Katz, WB2WIK/6 on October 24, 2006
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"Editor's Note: Due to the popularity of some of eHam's older articles, many of which you may not have read, the eHam.net team has decided to rerun some of the best articles that we have received since eHam's inception. These articles will be reprinted to add to the quality of eHam's content and in a show of appreciation to the authors of these articles."

The E-H Antenna Revisited

By Steve Katz, WB2WIK/6

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A recent article on eHam.net, which can be found at http://www.eham.net/articles/3586, by KE0VH, discussed the virtues of the `E-H Antenna.'

Since that article can still be accessed on line, there's no reason to rehash what it said. If you visit the E-H Antenna website, http://www.eh-antenna.com, or a related site, http://www.qsl.net/w0kph/, you'll find more information relating to the theory, design and operation of E-H antennas. Unfortunately, for all its virtues, which I'll summarize here, the E-H isn't much of an antenna.

Having said that, I should also say that it's definitely not a dummy load. It makes contacts, solidly and easily. It's reasonably easy, and inexpensive to build. The only drawbacks I found, operationally, are that within reason and based on the designs provided in the articles, it won't handle a lot of power and the design is single-band in nature. It's a high-Q antenna that won't tolerate multiple band operation, at least not in the form discussed.

Virtues

Very small, very lightweight, very inconspicuous and unobtrusive - a good `stealth' antenna that could be employed almost anywhere, despite antenna restrictions.

Evidently quite efficient. Not to say its performance is on par with a ½-wave dipole - it's definitely not. However, the power applied to it is mostly radiated, as evidenced by the fact that I can run 100W CW to it for an hour and observe almost no component heating, which would be obvious if much of the 100W were dissipated, due to the small size of all the components.

Narrowband, but not so much that it won't cover most of an amateur band. The 20 meter model assembled, tested and shown in this article covered about 150 kHz of the 20 meter band between 2:1 VSWR points. Not so narrowband that it's not useful over the entire band; however, it's narrowband enough to reject out-of-band signals well. (It does, and much better than the typical `wire' antenna - which I find useful.)

Reasonably environmentally stable, for a hi-Q antenna. The model shown, using two mica compression trimmer capacitors for tuning, would drift 100 kHz or so down the band if it got wet, in the rain. When it dried off, it would drift right back up to its originally resonant frequency. I operated it in very hot (100 degree+) weather, and also in cooler (55 degree) weather, and the resonant frequency did not notably change. (I did not try sub-freezing weather.)

Best of all, the damned thing made contacts. Lots of them. I'll discuss that more in a moment, but making contacts is what it's all about, and the E-H can do it.

What's not great

Well, it's not a panacea. If I had to choose between having no antenna or having the E-H, the decision's clear. But, if I had to choose between having the E-H or having a ½-wave dipole, or a good vertical, that decision would also be clear, and the E-H would not be the choice.

Also, being a hi-Q, single-band antenna design, for anyone who wants to work a bunch of bands, they'll need a bunch of E-H's. Of course, the Bilal Isotron antenna (http://www.rayfield.net/isotron), which is amazingly similar operationally to the E-H, has the same problem: If you want to work four bands, you need four antennas. People seem to do that.

And, don't be tempted to `QRO' with this antenna. The breakdown voltage rating of even mica compression trimmers isn't sufficient to run much more than 100W of power to this antenna. I suppose the antenna could be redesigned using much larger, heavier components to accommodate higher power, but then the advantages of small, lightweight, easy and inexpensive to build are lost.

The test

The antenna shown was borrowed from Dave, KD3V, in Hollywood, CA. He already had one that he said worked well, so rather than start from scratch building one, I simply borrowed his (thanks, Dave) for a period of weeks. Dave didn't build this antenna, he just loaned it to me; it was actually constructed by Ivo, WA6SUA, evidently for Bob, KL7EAL, who is its rightful owner. This particular unit is beautifully done, obviously by someone technically talented, using premium materials. The cylindrical radiators are copper tubing, the inductors are Teflon-insulated wire, and the trimmer capacitors are high-quality mica compression units, as recommended by W0KPH.

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Figure 1: The E-H construction, close up. Ivo did a beautiful job, and I doubt anyone could do much better.

The most important tests were the `on-the-air' ones performed mostly in October and November 2002. Hundreds of contacts were made from my station on 20 meters, CW and SSB, over paths ranging from direct wave (2-3 miles) to long-path F2 propagation at distances of more than 10,000 miles. In all cases, I had other antennas to compare to, instantly. The E-H antenna was installed on a non-conductive PVC pipe, as recommended by the articles, and placed 20 feet above ground on the roof of my home. Its feedline, about 20' of RG58A/U connected to 80' of high-quality RG8X coax (International 9092, about the best RG8X on the market), went to one port of my Alpha-Delta coaxial antenna switch. Two other ports of the same switch are connected to my 6 element LPDA beam up 53' on a tower in the backyard; and to a Hustler 6BTV vertical antenna on a roof tower (about 25' above ground at its base, and about 30' away from the E-H installation), with several radials. It takes less than one second to switch between all three antennas, observing signal strength and listening to strength and clarity of any station worked, or even heard.

I'll tabulate the results with some specifics, just for fun. Possibly some reading this article will be in my list of logged contacts, which is too long to reproduce in its entirety.

Overall, here's what happened:

E-H compared with 6BTV vertical: Typically -20 dB (down) from the vertical, on virtually any path - long, short, or between. Kind of amazing. Confirmed the 20 dB delta using a precision attenuator (HP 355D), it's really 20 dB alright. And quite consistently.

E-H compared with Tennadyne T6 6-element LPDA: Typically -30 dB (down) from the beam, dependant upon path, but still amazingly consistent. On some paths, perhaps only -20 dB; on some, up to about -35 dB, but on average, about -30 dB, again confirmed using the 355D precision attenuator (lab calibrated, traceable, +/- 0.2 dB).

Just for fun, I tried using a random-length wire, #18 gauge insulated copper hookup wire, just cut to 65' long and tossed out the ground-floor window, with no tuner or any matching devices of any kind, plugged into the fourth port of the switch using a `banana plug' to terminate the wire and make it fit the center post of an SO-239 connector. The wire and the E-H antenna were frequently neck-in-neck on received signals; however, I had no way to match the wire to make it work for transmitting, so this was a `received signal' test only.

The lab

I brought the antenna to the EMC lab at JMR Electronics Inc. in Chatsworth, CA (http://www.jmr.com) and placed it on the non-conductive rotating test table in the RF anechoic chamber to measure the E-H's radiation pattern and gain referenced to a NIST-traceable standard antenna. A snapshot of the test process and chamber used can be found at http://www.jmr.com/custom/compliance_1.html. This chamber is quite large and is virtually reflection-free from about 100 kHz through 10 GHz, and performs extremely well (like `free space') in the 14 MHz region, so measurements made therein are considered quite accurate by the FCC, CISPR and other agencies. In fact, this particular chamber and test site is NVLAP-accredited and on the FCC list of approved test facilities, of which there are fewer than seventy in all the U.S., last I checked.

Results: As well predicted by actual on-the-air use, the E-H measures between 20 and 22 dB below a 0.5WL dipole* at 14.150 MHz, its resonant frequency, depending upon planar orientation. I rotated the antenna in every possible manner (remotely, using robotic equipment in the chamber) and could not come up with any `amazing' results, no matter what I did. It measures about the way it works, no better, but no worse.

What does this mean?

I'm not sure. I guess it means that if you have a 100W transmitter connected to an E-H antenna in free space, that will perform about a well as a 1W transmitter connected to a ½-wavelength dipole in free space. Sounds like quite a compromise, but then, most people using an E-H probably don't have room or permission to install a ½-wavelength dipole, which, on 20 meters, would be more than 33' long and need to be 33' above ground to work like a dipole.

When one considers the 20 meter E-H is about 0.025 wavelengths long (!), can be made to look like a ventpipe extension, bird feeder or many other acceptable accessories, might cost $10 to $20 to build, and actually makes contacts on the air with reasonable ease, it's a hell of a deal.

In my operating experience, I often started a QSO using one of my regular, larger antennas, then switched to the E-H, logging the difference in signal reports (both ways). I sometimes told my contact what I was doing, and sometimes not. Sometimes I told my contact I was `switching to QRP,' and requested a new signal report, as accurately as they could provide. That 20 dB figure just kept recurring. If I was S9 with the 6BTV vertical, I'd drop to S5-S6 (18 to 24 dB change) with the E-H, if I could trust people's S-meters. I don't trust S-meters in general, so that's why I kept reaffirming with my own S-meter, calibrated by a lab standard attenuator.

In most cases - probably 90% -- the station I contacted with the large vertical or beam continued to hear me with the E-H, although weaker. And I could hear them, too. In about 10% of the cases, the contact would be lost by making the switch to the E-H. Those were the cases where the initial signal just wasn't that strong, and switching to the E-H would drop it into the noise level.

During the ARRL November Sweepstakes (CW), I initiated and completed several contacts on 20m using only the E-H. I think every single station I called came back to me, and we completed the contact - all five seconds of it!

I worked a `big gun' in India, Sabu, VU2ELJ, long-path (over the south pole) on 20m SSB using the E-H and 100W PEP output. Sabu gave me a `56' report. Normally, I work him using a kW and a beam, and I'm S9+. But, you know, 56 is a workable contact, and this guy is on the other side of the world.

Summary

Would I willingly sacrifice 20 dB of signal strength, both transmitted and received? Nope. But would I rather have an E-H antenna than be off the air? Yep, yep, yep!

I subscribe to the “if it was that great, everybody would be using them” theory of product development. And perhaps even more so to the “if it was that great, contesters would be using them” theory, because amateur radio contesters will try anything that provides the slightest operational edge. In the case of the E-H antenna, everybody isn't using them, and I don't know even one contester who is. Clearly, this design is not replacing Hertzian antennas any time soon.

If you want to read about the operational theory, go to the websites referenced earlier. But all that aside, if you want a miniscule antenna that can make global contacts with a bit of operator skill and propagation, try building an E-H. Especially if you can't install a `regular' antenna, due to restrictions. You'll be surprised.

WB2WIK/6

*Note: A 1/2WL 20m dipole isn't required to make this measurement. We use a NIST-traceable calibrated antenna reference standard and correlate data from that.

Contact tabulation

I promised an abbreviated contact tabulation, so here it is! All contacts are on 20m, either CW or SSB as indicated by RST reports:

STN DATE/TIME RS(T) RS(T) NOTES

w/6BTV w/E-H

VE3XAP 10/3 0031 59 55 Sam-Toronto

WO3Z 10/6 0203 599 559 NR 179-PA

KY5R 10/6 0210 59 55 NR 171-AL

AL7ES/7 10/7 0014 59 56 Terry-mobile in WA

W4USR 10/7 2353 589 539 Dennis-NC

N2UI 10/8 0054 599 549 Tom-NM

K1EKF 10/10 0049 59 56 Rich-GA

CO8ZZ 10/18 0121 59 55 Raoul-Cuba

These are very representative of results over a 6-week period. A total of 296 contacts were made with the E-H during that time.

-30-

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The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by SSB on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This antenna looks like a waste of time when a small loop antenna can and does work very well when constructed correctly. I laugh alot when I read antenna articles since none of them ever give field intensity readings that would actually measure an antennas ability to radiate RF. The words used to describe antennas are so vague and useless, based on virtually nothing that matters, whats the point?

Alex......
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by VK2GWK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The most likely reason the E-H antenna is so popular is that it looks great: very impressive with all those colourful coils. And great satisfaction after constructing one that looks as nice as the one in the pictures!
But..... as an antenna... any piece of tuned wire works better than this great looking contraption!
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KX8N on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
A good article by a good ham. Now let's see how long it takes for someone to come through and ruin it.
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by LX1LH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well,

my last QTH was surounded by antenna allergic - otherwise nice - neighbors. The EH antenna served here the right purpose (no discussions with mentioned neighbors) and one contact on 20m in CW as dd1zh at this time with Japan (tentec scout 555, 50W, comercial EH Cobra 20 antenna) showed that it really works.

Now as LX1LH with a "mature" GPA 30 it works better but when you have antenna restrictions this (non-)antenna is mopre than just a comprimise.

Best 73 es gb de Lutz, LX1LH
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by K0BG on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I hadn't read this article before, and in true Steve Katz style, it is done very well.

The old adage about any antenna being better than nothing is a little misleading I think. If the E-H is all you have, it is all you have, and you make do.

However, if one thinks long enough, there is usually a way to come up with something rather more efficient. We are, unfortunately, in the age of instant gratification, and if the unit was mass produced, they'd probably be very popular, efficiency notwithstanding.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KT8K on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I would imagine that any one of a number of extremely stealthy antennas would do better -- 18 gauge magnet wire tucked under shingles or vinyl siding, or lying in a vinyl rain gutter, aluminum rain gutters, magnet wire strung in the trees, wire taped around the ceiling or attic, a flagpole with buried radials, a TV antenna on a mast used as a vertical (with wire counterpoise/radial(s)), etc. No need to give up all those precious dBs ...
Good rx to all & 73 de kt8k - Tim
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9OY on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
<I laugh alot when I read antenna articles since none of them ever give field intensity readings that would actually measure an antennas ability to radiate RF>

This is a most bizarre comment. This antenna was evaluated in a certified anechoic chamber, AKA gold standard. 20dB down from a known traceable reference in an anechoic chamber is an absolute gold standard field intensity reading.

I find this article gives a very complete evaluation, and I thank Steve for takikng the time to test the antenna and document the results. If every antenna article had the precision of this antenna article there would be far less darkness in how, and how well antennas work.

73 W9OY
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9OY on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I do have a question. Where did the 20dB go? This is a resonant antenna, and 100W is delivered and the components don't "get hot", so where did the 20dB (99 watts) go?

73 W9OY
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KR6DJ on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I had very good results using a hamstick on 20M with a counterpoise. At the time I lived in an apartment and put the antenna out on the balcony. It was much lower profile. Not knocking this guy's antenna, just saying.
 
RE: E-H Antenna Revisited - and debunked - again  
by W9WHE-II on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"...if you have a 100W transmitter connected to an E-H antenna in free space, that will perform about a well as a 1W transmitter connected to a ½-wavelength dipole in free space".

In other words, about 1% as efficent as a dipole. ALMOST ANYTHING, other then a dummy load, would be better.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KC7QDO on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well I never got around to making together one of this antennas. However I have had a few qso;s with a few people on 20 meter voice. Right around S9 from New Mexico comes to mind on the top of my head.

It was fun we chatted for a while. So I know they work and I use a long wire and to be honest I was surprised for what it is and the theory behind it that it works as well as it does.

Thanks for helping me remember an enjoyable qso about 5 years ago that stuck out.

73 to all.

Bruce
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W4SK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K0BG states a sad truth - if mass produced, they would likely sell well. Elmers owe a duty to their students, to carefully explain antenna efficiency matters and installation choices, in hopes that the new hams understand all their options, and that they don't expect too much from these devices.

-W4SK
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Wow, this re-ran, didn't know it would.

The E-H is the "rubber ducky" of HF antennas.

It's highly selective and about 20 dB down from a dipole, just like a rubber duck for VHF. Hundreds of thousands of those are in use...

Reflecting back on this four years later, the one thing I can recall that might justify using the E-H, as compared with a piece of wire tossed out a window (which seemed to do about as well, for lower cost and less work), is the E-H is very frequency selective. I live very close to a 250kW SW BC station operating near the 17m band, and aimed just about right at me. MANY receivers cannot deal with this well, and exhibit "unique" problems in the presence of that station when random wire antennas are used. The E-H sharply rejects the BC station's signal and I had no problems receiving amateur signals at all using some fairly mediocre equipment (FT-817, IC-706MK2) that normally falls apart with the "random wire" antenna variants.

So, there might be one justification...

I think an "Isotron" or one of the Hi-Q Loop antennas has similar qualities and also strongly rejects out-of-band interference, so those are other possible options.

WB2WIK/6
 
Oh no! Not THIS again!  
by KF6IIU on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"An EHam Classic" -> "Guaranteed to bring out the true believers who know that the ARRL, Trilateral Commission, and the Masons conspired to suppress the Truth about this antenna just like they did the Truth about the internal combustion engine that ran on tap water."
 
RE: Where did the 20dB go?  
by KF6IIU on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I think if you were to test this antenna (or any inefficient one) in some cort of calorimeter-like device you would find that it does indeed radiate 99W of heat. It's just that given the mass of the antenna, air circulation around it, and typical ham intermittent transmit duty cycle, it is hard to notice.

My 300W-rated dry dummy load gets barely warm at 100W, for example, because it's got a big massive resistor inside which air circulates around, and is usually under load for only a few seconds at a time. But it does heat up.

Assuming no part of the antenna would arc over at 1KW, you could hook it up to a big amp, then it would probably be obvious which parts if it were dissipating heat.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W0IPL on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Let's be honest. The EH antenna is a good antenna for someone that likes to play with antennas. W0KPH was my Elmer as I got going in the 70s and I have spent several hours at his house discussing the EH and am amazed at the variations you can come up with for the EH antenna.

In one variation he is very proud of, he made a contact in SoCal from Boulder CO on PSK31 and after discussing the antenna with the other station they both started reducing power to see how far into QRP they could go and maintain communication. They lost solid copy (got down to about 80% print) at 800 MILIwatts.

Good, solid, works every time antenna? No, not at all. Fun to play with to see what you can make something that small do, type of antenna? Sure is. Good indoor antenna? Not unless you run QRP.
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by G0GQK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm still waiting for someone to produce a design for 160 metres because this is the band where most people have difficulties.

Mel G0GQK
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9WHE-II on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"The E-H is the "rubber ducky" of HF antennas"


Not realy. The E-H is FAR LESS EFFICENT.
A rubber duckie is MUCH MORE efficent then the EH.
A Motorola UHF whip is only about 1 DB down from a 1/4 wave whip mounted on the radio and even a VHF whip is only about 6-7 db down. An E-H is more like 20 db down!



 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KE4ZHN on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Seems like an awful lot of work for something that performs slightly better than a dummyload. You can easily do better with a simple wire antenna. Why bother to build this thing for mediocre performance?
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KX0R on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
We should realize that this resonant antenna creates a strong near-field, and that it can easily couple into other conductors nearby, including the outside of its own feedline. Electric utility lines, house wiring, gutters, etc., all become part of this antenna when we mount it on a rooftop.

The Isotron is similar may couple into local conductors also.

Some of these coupled conductors may be good antennas themselves, once excited by the EH or whatever. Some of the "magic" results and amazing stories associated with these antennas probably come from the coupling to other conductors that become reasonably effective antennas.

Even Steve's test site on the roof shows a lot of wires in the near field, some of which may have improved this antenna in comparison with its performance in the anechoic chamber.

The idea of using a stealth type of radiator to excite a larger, already-in-place conductor as an antenna is a pretty good concept for folks who have restrictions on what they can put up. This is like BPL in reverse, where we use the utility lines as radiators for our purposes. Just don't get too close to those high voltage wires...

KX0R
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KC8VWM on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I suppose it could be disguised as a vent pipe...

 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Actually it is not the EH that is radiating, but the coax line is radiating.

The EH acts as a reactive load at 50 ohms and this will give one a low vswr reading.

Anyone can take a long length of coax and put just a coil and capacitor at the far end and then resonate the coil and the capacitor (tune for lowest vswr) and the coax will do the radiating.

.......What a farce.......What a snow job.......

W6TH
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The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W4VR on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Man oh man, you certainly do have lots of power and telephone line wires criss-crossing your property. Makes one wonder how much coupling into those wires and resulting absorption/re-radiation actually occurs on that parcelof land. Other than that, good article.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Lots of wires, true, but they're not very close.

I used an F-stop of 22 for the photo so everything's in focus, from near to far...the wiring in the background is all mostly 60 to 120 feet away.

Not very far at 1.8 MHz, but 1-2 wavelengths at 14 MHz.

Probably there is some coupling, never attempted to measure it.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
.WB2WIK

Steve, I didn't mean to bust your bubble, but there is a difference between a resistive dummy load and a reactive dummy load.

A resistive dummy load consumes power and a reactive load does not consume power, therefore the reactive load will terminate the coax line and will let the coax radiate.

Simple AC (Alternating Current) theory.

No hard feelings, 73, Vito W6TH.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N3OX on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
If you got -20dBd at home and -20dBd in an anechoic chamber, I suppose you weren't getting too much coax radiation or coupling into nearby conductors.

The trouble with the EH antenna is, of course, the goofy "theory" behind its operation.

Thanks, Steve, for putting it through its REAL paces and showing what it actually DOES, regardless of what some proponents of the antenna might say it does.

Dan
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KC8VWM on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

Tom, W8JI has a pretty good writeup explaining how this antenna "really works" noting some interesting observations behind the "theory" of this antenna.

Good reading.

http://www.w8ji.com/e-h_antenna.htm



 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The reason for the article in the first place is that shortly before that, I'd never even heard of the E-H antenna. Dave KD3V had one already built to loan me for some tests.

It sure is small.

MUCH smaller than the magnetic loops on the market that cover 14 MHz.

While a similarly sized clip lead installed at the same location might radiate exactly as well, the tuned circuit the E-H presents provides a wonderful match to a coax feedline (tuned to VSWR = 1.0 right at the antenna feedpoint) and covered the band well enough that no retuning was required going from 14.0 to 14.35 MHz.

So, it would have one advantage over the clip lead: No "tuner" required!

As I mentioned, 50' of hookup wire tossed out my shack window received about as well as the E-H...but I couldn't transmit with it, so no contacts could be made.

This is a great example of how "It works great!" type reports get started, though. If the *ONLY* 20 meter antenna I had was the E-H, I might say it worked pretty great. I called a bunch of stations using it, and they all heard me, including a guy in India. Isn't that "great?"

:)

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NS6Y_ on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH - a coil and a cap tuned for resonance at the end of the coax, .... you've been looking at the Isotron patents haven't you?

BTW at Pacificon I got to talk a bit with the Ventenna guy - very intelligent and knowledgeable, and interesting to talkl to, and his ant's are very popular - because most places in the US are so antennphobic that it's a Ventenna or nuttin'. Also, lots of gov't as in spy or just want to keep a lot profile, lol, users too.

The Isotron looks like a bird feeder. This E-H thing looks kinda like a tall vent. I suggest you get and use Teflon wire in a variety of rainbow colors, it is really very pretty! - And, it does NOT look like the common person's conception of an antenna.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N3OX on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I called a bunch of stations using it, and they all heard me, including a guy in India. Isn't that "great?" "

Yep, that is how it happens! It's too bad that people fall prey to this, though... it's really a case of not being able to know what you're missing.

Dan
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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W6TH - a coil and a cap tuned for resonance at the end of the coax, .... you've been looking at the Isotron patents haven't you?
......................................................

I did not and if I want to know something, I refer back to my college days and go from there.

I design by math and theory, seems it always works better for me.

Oh, by the way, the ARRL has a very good amount of information in regards to the resisitve loads and the reactive loads, but you may have a problem as they don't tell you how to put it all together.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N3OX: Yep.

If somebody's 30 dB above the noise and you work him with an antenna that's 20 dB worse than average, you still have a 10 dB signal margin. Easy contact, easy not to know that with a real antenna you'd be 20 dB stronger.

Happens every day.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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The 20 dB of loss should determine whether should you use it or not.

To gain your 100 watts you would need 10,000 watts of power, because -20 dB is a loss of 100 times.

Another, it is not a EH antenna by far; it is a reactive load terminating a piece of coax of length to radiate the RF field.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Please read this and how can it be true?

The lab

I brought the antenna to the EMC lab at JMR Electronics Inc. in Chatsworth, CA (http://www.jmr.com) and placed it on the non-conductive rotating test table in the RF anechoic chamber to measure the E-H's radiation pattern and gain referenced to a NIST-traceable standard antenna. A snapshot of the test process and chamber used can be found at http://www.jmr.com/custom/compliance_1.html. This chamber is quite large and is virtually reflection-free from about 100 kHz through 10 GHz, and performs extremely well (like `free space') in the 14 MHz region, so measurements made therein are considered quite accurate by the FCC, CISPR and other agencies. In fact, this particular chamber and test site is NVLAP-accredited and on the FCC list of approved test facilities, of which there are fewer than seventy in all the U.S., last I checked.

Results: As well predicted by actual on-the-air use, the E-H measures between 20 and 22 dB below a 0.5WL dipole* at 14.150 MHz, its resonant frequency, depending upon planar orientation. I rotated the antenna in every possible manner (remotely, using robotic equipment in the chamber) and could not come up with any `amazing' results, no matter what I did. It measures about the way it works, no better, but no worse.
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I rotated the antenna in every possible manner (remotely, using robotic equipment in the chamber) and could not come up with any `amazing' results, no matter what I did. It measures about the way it works, no better, but no worse.
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I don't agree to this, impossible.

Say Cheese.

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by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito, what are you alluding to? Of course it's possible, I did it, myself.

Come on out and witness a repeat test, if you wish. I have everything except the DUT (E-H) antenna, and could probably borrow that, again.
 
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by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,
I have everything except the DUT (E-H) antenna, and could probably borrow that, again.
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What is the "you have everything"? Tell me what you have. I will then tell you why it is impossible to get those same readings, equal to on the air testing.

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by WB2WIK on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Everything" means the EMC lab described.

It's pictured here:

http://www.jmr.com/custom/compliance.html

and includes a 10m RF anechoic chamber, and $3 million in RF generators, calibrated antennas, detectors and spectrum analyzers used as receivers.

Ferrite lined chamber (all six surfaces) with under-the-chamber catwalk for cabling to the control console in the next room (where all the test gear resides, outside the chamber).
 
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by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Ok Steve, now give me all information on how you had the set up to run the testing of the so called EH.
.:Like how it was mounted, fed and so forth.
 
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by VE1BLL on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W9OY already asked, and I'll ask again: Where did the 20dB (99%, 99watts) go? If it isn't (sic) going up as loss/heat, then where is it?

PS: I'm surprised that 'The Pompous Time-Sink' hasn't dropped by to add his $.02.
 
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by HAMMERTIME on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH,
I believe you are really " Vito " Spatafor off of the Sopranos arent you???
So, how did that Cue Stick feel????
 
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by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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HAMMERTIME
I don't have a clue.
Dancing with the stars are on so must qrt.
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by KX8N on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"The Isotron looks like a bird feeder."

All the better for stealth operation, eh?

Anyway, I can't wait to watch Vito (and eventually Chip) try to prove Steve wrong. This is going to be good. Of course, they'll have to take a cheap shot about my mother or something for typing this, but oh well.
 
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by KE4PJW on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE said >>"...if you have a 100W transmitter connected to an E-H antenna in free space, that will perform about a well as a 1W transmitter connected to a ½-wavelength dipole in free space".

In other words, about 1% as efficent as a dipole. ALMOST ANYTHING, other then a dummy load, would be better.<<

That's about what, 3.5 S-Units down? Not ideal, but OK for a little runt of an antenna.
 
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by KC8VWM on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Not ideal, but OK for a little runt of an antenna.

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True, given the size of the antenna and possible "stealth" installation possibilities.

However, wouldn't you have much better results running an end fed long wire antenna out of your shack window in place of the E-H antenna feed line?

The end fed antenna could run to the top of the same PVC pipe of the same physical dimensions, located in the same physical location on the roof?

It would be interesting to compare the side by side results.

73 Charles - KC8VWM
 
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by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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kx8n
Anyway, I can't wait to watch Vito (and eventually Chip) try to prove Steve wrong. This is going to be good. Of course, they'll have to take a cheap shot about my mother or something for typing this, but oh well.
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We will leave you and your family out of this. I will say stay tuned because I know you will be of interest as to which way it is going. You will also get a greater knowledge of how an/a antenna radiation works.

There will be no charge for this amount of knowledge, it is gratis, on the house.

P.S. Don't need Chip a Ph'd as my double EE and masters will take the bull by the horns.

73
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by K8MHZ on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,

Nice job and great article.

But don't even try to talk sense or logic to Vito. You will fail. To Vito, Vito is ALWAYS right. Period.

Thanks for taking the effort to test this antenna. I have wondered about it since I saw the plans. From what you have done here I would hazard to guess that will a little effort, a short resonant coil loaded vertical 1/2 wave would probably work just as well and be much easier to make.

Myself, I have the room (barely) for dipoles and like building them and using them. And on occasion I hear your smooth DJ like radio voice here in Michigan. (Seriously, you and your station sound great!)

Next contest listen for me at home or on the W8ZHO club station.

73 de K8MHZ
 
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by W6TH on October 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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K8MHZ

You do love me don't you. Sorry I am already taken.

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by KT6K on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

A closed mouth gathers no feet.
 
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by W0AEW on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Last summer I built an E/H for 80 meters and have had some fun talking to locals with it. It's mounted ground level so far, but will do more with it when I have time. A great toy to play with. Signal reports are considerably down from an end-fed random wire I normally use. I should've tried the dummy load, too!

The AntennaX articles do a good job of dismissing the theoretical nonsense supporting its operation.
 
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by NI0C on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"double EE"

What's that? EEEE?
 
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by KG6AMW on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito, instead of being so dam cantankerous why don't you take Steve up on his offer and see for yourself, otherwise we have to assume you’re having a problem discerning reality.
 
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by N8QBY on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH wrote:
" Steve, I didn't mean to bust your bubble, but there is a difference between a resistive dummy load and a reactive dummy load." You are wrong, you DID mean to bust his bubble. You get off on doing that old fella, so quit lying.
N8QBY
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by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito, I invite you to visit and repeat the tests yourself in the chamber.

10m anechoic chamber is a nice thing to have. Chamber dimensions are 23m x 23m (w x l) x 13m high.

If you looked at the photo in the link I sent you, you'll see a fixed location rotating non-conductive table on which any DUT rests. It's made of PVC and wood, as they all are, with no screws or nails. It rotates by remote command from the control room. You'll also see the robotic controlled antenna mast with a VHF log periodic attached. That's an antenna used for ~100-300 MHz. We have about two dozen other antennas. For 14 MHz, as with all measurements below 60 MHz, a calibrated loop antenna is used. Those are NIST traceable and come with charts plotting gain vs. frequency referenced to a dipole. The gain is negative, and these are +/- 1 dB.

The antenna mast is on rollers so it can move in any direction, closer or farther from the DUT as well as side to side, and can go as far as 20m from the DUT or as close as about 3m.

The DUT is the E-H, installed on a PVC mast above the table with its coax coming out the bottom of the table through a hole in the tabletop, then through the hole in the ferrite floor below the table, into a 10m catwalk under the floor and into the control room, where it's connected to a spectrum analyzer used as a receiver to measure signal strength.

The excited antenna is the loop, connected to a signal source which is an Agilent signal generator amplified by an Amplifier Research power amplifier capable of creating a 10v/m field.

The received signal strength is plotted continuously by the system, which is an EMC Systems (now known as TDK EMC) rack as shown in the control room photograph, using a standard PC and custom software that controls the source, the analyzer, the turntable and the antenna mast. As the system runs, the antenna is raised and lowered, and rotated axially and radially, to peak the received signal strength. Usually this is also done while sweeping the frequency spectrum over the range of the mast antenna, but in this case it was locked at 14 MHz and not swept.

The turntable also continuously rotates, although with the E-H antenna, this made almost no difference. The major difference was loop antenna orientation and height. When all is maximized, the system locks and we can look through a chamber screen window to observe the physical results, or view it via a video camera mounted in a corner of the ceiling of the chamber.

This test was performed with loop to E-H spacing of 20.0 meters horizontally.

The E-H is then replaced with another calibrated loop identical to the transmitting loop on the adjustable mast and the same test sequence is run. New signal strength is recorded and when maximized, stopped.

The signal strength recorded for the E-H is subtracted from the signal strength recorded for the calibrated loop and then compared to the gain of the loop. The loop gain at 14 MHz is certified to be -11.7 dBd, so that becomes the reference standard. The E-H antenna measures ~9 dB below the loop, or ~ -20.7 dBd gain.

System accuracy with regard to signal levels, loop antenna variations and chamber variations is certified to be +/- 2.0 dB.

We also have a 30m outdoor range, and although I didn't try using it for this, I have used it for other antennas in the HF spectrum and it correlates closely with results from the 10m anechoic chamber. The chamber's much easier to use because we don't have to constantly adjust for reflections and undesired signals entering the receiving antenna.

The E and H field recombination effects are not nearly the variable the E-H antenna designer/proponents seem to claim; in fact, we didn't note anything strange going on at all with regard to S/dx.

Come on down to watch the show, it's fun.

WB2WIK/6
 
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by NU0R on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve, Great article! Don't be discouraged by any nay-sayers. I think I know you well enough to be sure you won't anyway. E-Ham needs more articles like this one. Your comparisons to various other antennas is very helpful for someone looking to get on the air using stealth. Based on what you said you can make contacts all day long with this antenna. So you don't get the ones below the noise floor--- big deal! You still make contacts. I firmly believe that there are still some very ingenious antenna designs yet to be discovered and they won't be found by a doubting Thomas, they will be found by people with outside-the -box thinking and much thought. People like you Steve-- people who are not afraid to fail or be scoffed. Great job as usual!
 
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by NI0C on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm sorry, but why all this detailed analysis and testing devoted to a 20 meter antenna that's 20 dB down from a dipole?



 
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by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is an old article that originally ran years ago.

I didn't build the antenna, I was just interested in it and KD3V offered to lend it to me for a while.

I think the conclusion is, with good HF propagation you can work the world with almost anything!

Now, in late 2006, propagation isn't what it was at the peak of the cycle, and it would be a lot harder to make contacts with such an antenna.

But, it will get better again, probably by 2010, and then the wet noodles will be working the world once again.

The E-H *is* a cute little thing. Hard to tell how small it really is in the photos. It's not larger than a 2m antenna, and smaller than any of my 2m antennas.

WB2WIK/6
 
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by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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by NI0C on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm sorry, but why all this detailed analysis and testing devoted to a 20 meter antenna that's 20 dB down from a dipole?<

::Why not?

This article was a follow-up to a different article on the E-H antenna by someone else. The design developed a following 4-5 years ago when a flurry of articles appeared all over about it. One website from a company who was manufacturing them commercially in Europe claimed broadcast stations were using them! So, it naturally follows that more information would be useful.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KC8VWM on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

It's probably important to understand that there are many other antenna's that are commercially available that are also -20dB down from a dipole.

Antenna performance is typically perceived in two different ways:

1) Using a comparison and scientific measurement approach.

2) Using an emotional perception and basing performance on a personal experience approach.

Most hams understand that this antenna is not ideal in terms of maximized performance criteria however at the same time most hams realize that it "works" for what it is.

To suggest that any antenna "works" is very subjective in scope.

However, how it "works" in comparison to antennas of equal and similar physical design and characteristics would be the overall objective when studying this particular antenna design.

I don't feel anyone is intending to imply or make any direct assertions and /or comparisons of this "compromise" design against the performance of a full size resonate dipole in free space. Nor do I feel anyone is suggesting it would perform more than optimal in less than ideal installation situations.

However, sometimes it is the less than ideal installation condition that is the deciding criteria for some antennas. Performance is not always necessarily the main determining factor that's measured in the form of antenna decibels over an isotropic radiator.

I would be more inclined to compare it against a compromise design such as a hamstick or other antenna of similar physical dimensions, cost and ease of installation in similarly restricted environments.

Basically, if that's not your pre determined qualifying criteria, then it's apparently obvious this antenna design is not going to perform on any level for anyone.

The original designer of this antenna should have been more upfront and honest about that fact. It would probably have been accepted and considered a "good" antenna otherwise. However the original designer of this antenna does not do that and makes outlandish claims about it's "magical properties" and superior performance instead.

This in my opinion, is what makes this antenna "bad" and not the fact that it doesn't perform as well as a dipole or as bad as any other similarly constructed antenna.

73 Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Vito, I invite you to visit and repeat the tests yourself in the chamber.

Yes,Steve, you know I moved 3000 miles east of you, so won't be able to be there for the test.

The DUT is the E-H, installed on a PVC mast above the table with its coax coming out the bottom of the table through a hole in the tabletop, then through the hole in the ferrite floor below the table, into a 10m catwalk under the floor and into the control room, where it's connected to a spectrum analyzer used as a receiver to measure signal strength.

Well Steve I am familiar with your set up and have used the same equipment as well.Here is some thought to think about.

Should you use a non-reactive load, however, when testing an antenna for power output, because the power measurement is only accurate into a purely resistive load. If you are using a reactive load, the actual output power is equal to the voltage multiplied by the current, multiplied by the cosine of the phase angle between them. Highly inductive or capacitive loads can fool you into thinking you have a higher output power than you really do, because, even though the voltage is higher, the current is not in phase with it, so the real power output cannot be accurately determined by measuring the voltage, squaring it, and dividing by the specified impedance, you must multiply by the cosine of the phase angle. A purely resistive load will have the voltage and current in phase, so the cosine of the phase angle is equal to 1, and can be ignored.

Note that the power alternates equally between cycles of positive and negative. This means that power is being alternately absorbed from a reactive load and returned to the source. Which means; even with the ferrite floor there is power going back to the source.

I have more info if needed.

W6TH
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by KC8VWM on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Note that the power alternates equally between cycles of positive and negative.

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In a purely reactive circuit that alternation between positive and negative power is equally divided, resulting in a net power dissipation of zero.

However a combined resistive/reactive circuit dissipates more power than it returns to the source with mixed resistance and reactance. The power waveform will still alternate between positive and negative, but the amount of positive power will exceed the amount of negative power. In other words, the combined inductive/resistive load will consume more power (usually in the form of heat)than it returns back to the source.

73 Charles - KC8VWM
 
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by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito, what does your discussion have to do with the test method? It made no sense, as it doesn't seem to relate to the test at all.

I'm not measuring antenna gain as a function of generator power and path loss -- not in any way.

Measuring it as a direct comparison to a standard calibrated loop, substituting the E-H for the loop in a closed system.

The power used doesn't matter, it just has to be high enough to get a good S/N at the receiver (spectrum analyzer). We usually use a 10v/m source just because that's what it is, without making adjustments to the setup. It could be 1v/m or 100uv/m, the results would be the same.

The generator (source) antenna is a calibrated loop providing a resistive load to the generator, VSWR = 1.0 at test frequency.

I don't see how your discussion relates to the test method.

WB2WIK/6
 
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by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Yes,Steve, you know I moved 3000 miles east of you, so won't be able to be there for the test.<

::Not my problem; the invitation stands. Hope you enjoy New Hampshire. When I lived in Boston, we called it "Cow Hampshire," that was the standing joke. But the Granite State's okay in October, when the leaves turn color. My favorite month back there. My least favorite month was December, January, February and March. They all blended into a single very long, gray, cold month in my memory.

You must return to visit now and then, arrange to drop by when you can. I'm only a few miles north of the Canoga Park SSME Rocketdyne Facility, now known as Pratt-Whitney.

73

Steve WB2WIK/6
 
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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Steve, the test is void.

The received signal strength is plotted continuously by the system, which is an EMC Systems (now known as TDK EMC) rack as shown in the control room photograph, using a standard PC and custom software that controls the source, the analyzer, the turntable and the antenna mast. As the system runs, the antenna is raised and lowered, and rotated axially and radially, to peak the received signal strength. Usually this is also done while sweeping the frequency spectrum over the range of the mast antenna, but in this case it was locked at 14 MHz and not swept.

You did take signal strength measurements."The received signal strength is plotted continuously by the system".

Read this again:

Highly inductive or capacitive loads can fool you into thinking you have a higher output power than you really do, because, even though the voltage is higher, the current is not in phase with it, so the real power output cannot be accurately determined by measuring the voltage, squaring it, and dividing by the specified impedance, you must multiply by the cosine of the phase angle.
You didn't do this, you just took a gain measuremnt comparing to a loop that is not capacitive and inductive reactive to a EH antenna that is reactive.

Your loop is at resonance where the capacitance and inductive reactance are equal Xc=Xl.


The signal strength recorded for the E-H is subtracted from the signal strength recorded for the calibrated loop and then compared to the gain of the loop. The loop gain at 14 MHz is certified to be -11.7 dBd, so that becomes the reference standard. The E-H antenna measures ~9 dB below the loop, or ~ -20.7 dBd gain.

The E-H antenna measures ~9 dB below the loop, or ~ -20.7 dBd gain.
They are just numbers Steve, your numbers.

Canoga Park SSME Rocketdyne Facility.
Yes, I worked at Rocketdyne Facility (SSME)Space Shuttle Main Engines.

Have a good day and don't forget to vote to lower your taxes. I am here in New Hampshire to Live Free or Die.

30, 73 W6TH.
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by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito, you're wrong.

The E-H, if you look at its schematic and also at the photograph of the unit tested, has an integrated tuning unit to tune it to perfect resonance. Xc does equal Xl, exactly. The unit was tuned to R=50, j=0 and VSWR = 1.0 on my MFJ-259B prior to performing any test.

I mention that in the article, as well.

I won't hold my breath about lowering taxes here; I am voting on 11/7, however, against resolutions that would increase them!

WB2WIK/6
 
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by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>Highly inductive or capacitive loads can fool you into thinking you have a higher output power than you really do, because, even though the voltage is higher, the current is not in phase with it, so the real power output cannot be accurately determined by measuring the voltage, squaring it, and dividing by the specified impedance, you must multiply by the cosine of the phase angle.
You didn't do this, you just took a gain measuremnt comparing to a loop that is not capacitive and inductive reactive to a EH antenna that is reactive.<

::This isn't applicable in any realm. The E-H DUT was the receptor not the emitter; it was tuned to perfect resonance; it wouldn't matter if it was or wasn't, because it delivered a signal to a device measuring not voltage, but power. If we replaced the spectrum analyzer as a detector and used instead a 50 Ohm calorimeter, would that make you happy? The result would be the same.

WB2WIK/6
 
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by NI0C on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks Charles and Steve for your answers to my question concerning -20 dBd antennas.

I guess I could understand these efforts more if we were talking about 160m antennas, but 20 meters? I used to operate from apartments with indoor dipoles for 10, 15, and 20 meters made of magnet wire taped to the ceiling. Undoubtedly, these were a few dB down from an outdoor dipole, but I'm quite sure they were far superior to an E-H antenna or an Isotron.

I think I'd look for another hobby if -20 dBd were the best I could achieve on 20 meters.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Steve,
The unit was tuned to R=50, j=0 and VSWR = 1.0 on my MFJ-259B prior to performing any test.

Steve it is still a reactive load and not a resistive load. You are not paying any attention to what and how a reactive load performs. You are much into a resistive load where the power is consumed, in a reactive load the power is absorbed and goes back to the source.

The EH acts as a reactive load at 50 ohms and this will give one a low vswr reading.

Power is not dissipated in a purely reactive load. Though it is alternately absorbed from and returned to the source.

There are three powers; True, Reactive, and Apparent power. These are all different, but similiar in a sort.

True, Reactive, and Apparent power.

The unit was tuned to R=50, j=0 and VSWR = 1.0 on my MFJ-259B prior to performing any test.

Again, it is still a reactive load and will not consume power. It absorbs power and then sends it back to the source.

Well I like New Hampshire and waiting for the snow. I am located at the foothills of the White Mountain and about 50 feet from Vt., and the Connecticut river. The house was paid in full and no mortgage, which makes it very comfortable. Will be here from now on and our business is going great and will be hiring very shortly. No state taxes or sales taxes, just bank the savings.

California? Can't remember being there.

Take care my friend and will keep in touch.
73, W6TH.
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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Vito, what does your discussion have to do with the test method? It made no sense, as it doesn't seem to relate to the test at all.

I'm not measuring antenna gain as a function of generator power and path loss -- not in any way.

The signal strength recorded for the E-H is subtracted from the signal strength recorded for the calibrated loop and then compared to the gain of the loop. The loop gain at 14 MHz is certified to be -11.7 dBd, so that becomes the reference standard. The E-H antenna measures ~9 dB below the loop, or ~ -20.7 dBd gain.

This is why I cut it short Steve, you contradicted yourself.

CUL, W6TH.
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This is why I cut it short Steve, you contradicted yourself.<

::No, I didn't. You're talking in circles and making no sense to anyone here.

You are claiming that one cannot substitute antenna X with antenna Y in the same system and measure a difference between them using a recovered signal as the variable.

That's nonsense.
 
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by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>Well I like New Hampshire and waiting for the snow. I am located at the foothills of the White Mountain and about 50 feet from Vt., and the Connecticut river. The house was paid in full and no mortgage, which makes it very comfortable. Will be here from now on and our business is going great and will be hiring very shortly. No state taxes or sales taxes, just bank the savings.<

::What is the business?

I liked to visit NH. Used to go camping on Lake Sunapee, at Mt. Kearsarge, during the summers. Used to operate VHF contests from Mt. Pack Monadnock in June and September. Have been to the summit of Mt. Washington all three ways you can get there: Hiking, driving, and via the Cog Railway. Have skied the ravine coming down off Mt. Washington, in May.

But living there? Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...I don't think so!

I like the beach too much. And California skiing at Mammoth is in a whole different league.

But glad you're enjoying it.

What is the business?

WB2WIK/6
 
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by NI0C on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,

Last winter the XYL and I went cross-country skiing at Royal Gorge, near the Donner Pass. (Friends advised us to "bring sandwiches" when they found out where we were going.) It's a great place as long as there's snow-- many miles of trails to explore.

I brought along my newly built KX-1 and made one contact with Southern CA. on 40m with a 26 ft. wire dropped out the lodge window.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
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by WB2WIK on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Chuck, I'm glad you enjoyed the Donner Pass/Donner Summit area.

I hope somebody told you about the Donner Expedition that came through there about 150 years ago and almost everybody died! That can be a very treacherous place in wintertime. A friend of mine has a ski cabin at Donner Summit and she'll give me the keys to just go use it, if she and her family aren't using it.

About ten years ago, we went. Great X-C and a bit of downhill. It was cold, it was snowing, it turned to blizzard-like conditions, and they closed Interstate 80. For two days.

We were "stuck." Good thing they had some food in the kitchen and in the fridge, or we might have ended up like the Donner Expedition!

Pretty place, though, and when you're up to your knees in fresh powder, it's hard to complain much.

73

Steve WB2WIK/6
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N8QBY on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I still say his business is, "Monkey Business". He can't seem to admit when he is wrong.
N8QBY
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by KD2BD on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH wrote:

> You are not paying any attention to what and how a
> reactive load performs. You are much into a resistive
> load where the power is consumed, in a reactive load
> the power is absorbed and goes back to the source.

I agree that when a transmission line is terminated with a reactive load, power appears to be absorbed by the load, only to be returned (reflected back) to the source.

> The EH acts as a reactive load at 50 ohms and this
> will give one a low vswr reading.

Not true. If power is returned to the source when the load is reactive as you previously stated, a low VSWR is impossible.

A reactive load will not produce a low VSWR, nor will it cause the coaxial line to radiate.

Terminating a 50-ohm line with an Xc or Xl of 50 ohms will NOT produce a 1:1 VSWR. It will produce a VSWR of infinity.

A VSWR of 1:1 indicates that the load is purely resistive, will absorb 100% of the energy it is supplied, and will reflect none of it back to the source.


73, de John, KD2BD
 
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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Not true. If power is returned to the source when the load is reactive as you previously stated, a low VSWR is impossible.
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You are talking of a non-resonant antenna and not the EH we are talking about. We are talking of a resonant EH antenna that is resonant and a vswr of 1:1.

What happens to a EH antenna is that the coax transmission line will radiate even though the vswr is 1:1 at the reactive load. The EH antenna is reactive loaded and not resistive loading which consumes power.

Sorry to bust your bubble.
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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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N8QBY on October 25, 2006
I still say his business is, "Monkey Business". He can't seem to admit when he is wrong.
N8QBY

Did you quit your welfare and get a job? There are plenty good jobs around that will take you off of the government welfare and lessen the burden of the tax payers.

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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Steve, we manufacture clothing, childrens clothing and are the expensive kind, custom made clothing for the vip's. We sell much to the European countries as well.

California put a load on us for taxes, property taxes went from $300.00 to $2700.00 so thought it will keep climbing, so best to leave. NH, great opportunities for business.

I read in Massachusets, there is a law just passed, required by law, where all must have medical and hospital insurance plan, not a choice of the people. I assume that CA will eventually follow suit in time. Those that can't pay will have the tax payers pay their way.

W6TH
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by N3OX on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I'm sorry, but why all this detailed analysis and testing devoted to a 20 meter antenna that's 20 dB down from a dipole?"

I think it's useful from the standpoint that certain individuals hype the EH antenna as being as efficient and capable of the same field strength as a full-size dipole or quarter wave vertical.

There are claims about the EH antenna "bringing the far field to the antenna" and also about it emitting a "new kind of radiation" called Kor radiation.

There are claims that it's impossible to model this antenna with software. Do a google search on EH antenna and click the first link. There's a bunch of pseudophysics and ridiculous nonsense surrounding the explanation of the operation of this antenna.

I don't think that any silly made-up physics would be needed to explain Steve's results ;-) -20dBd from an antenna that's 5% the size of that reference dipole sounds pretty easily explicable to me. This article presents nice, solid information what this antenna actually does.

Dan
 
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by KD2BD on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH wrote:

> You are talking of a non-resonant antenna and not the
> EH we are talking about. We are talking of a resonant
> EH antenna that is resonant and a vswr of 1:1.

The physical object that terminates the transmission line is irrelevant. If the termination is reactive, a 1:1 VSWR cannot occur.

Steve adjusted the antenna so as to produce a 50-ohm purely resistive termination to the transmission line as evidenced by the 1:1 line VSWR.

Under these conditions:

a) Some of the RF energy applied to the antenna will be converted to electromagnetic energy and radiated into space

b) Some of the RF energy applied to the antenna will be converted to thermal energy and radiated as heat

What doesn't get radiated as (a) gets radiated as (b).

Antenna efficiency equals (a/b)*100%

If RF currents do not travel along the outside of the transmission line's shield, and the transmission line is well shielded, the line itself will not radiate RF, regardless of the VSWR, or the complex nature of the transmission line's load impedance.


73, de John, KD2BD
 
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W6TH wrote: N8QBY.. " Did you quit your welfare and get a job? There are plenty good jobs around that will take you off of the government welfare and lessen the burden of the tax payers"
Vito, you sad person, you are the one running away from taxes. I gladly pay my taxes from my gainful employment, and I will be retired in 7 yrs, at age 55. Full medical, full pension. You on the other hand, you are 80+ years old, and still trying to make money?? Obviously you didn't make any in what should have been your working days. I am thinking that you are the one that has existed on welfare, otherwise, why are you still trying to make money?? You are obviously very pathetic, and on your way out. This has made you into the bitter, old man that you are. Why not try and leave this earth on a postive note? Just because you constantly get schooled in these eham articles, you should just accept it, and quit living in your own little world where you are the only one that is right, even though you are constantly being proved wrong in the "real world". Time to accept it old fella. Go in style, and not with your bitter face on. You aren't even worth commenting on anymore.
N8QBY
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N8QBY
you went on welfare for all those years, 17 in all and you still refuse to go out and get off with a job.

I am greedy for money and am pushing for a millionaire while living high like a king. There is nothing I can't have that money won't buy.

I fully understand what you are going through such as there is fault in your life that you can't do what others are capable of doing.

Yes, I moved because It was sickening to take part of my money earned to support the likes of you, like being worthless, helpless to support themselves and dependent upon the tax payers hard earned money.

Enjoy your retirement as I am enjoying mine with my self employment that I no longer pay taxes to support the likes of you.
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by N3OX on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Take it offline, guys. I usually don't care if the threads degenerate into fighting but this one was actually interesting.

Dan
 
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How to Win Friends and Influence People:


http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html

 
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:o)
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Steve,

See? I told you so.

Catch you on the Sweep coming up.


73,

Mhz
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
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Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Anger, and Greed. Vito, you have 5 of 7 down quite well.
 
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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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N8QBY

Just think of how you are disgracing your department.

You should be ashamed of yourself with the way you have been carrying on with EHAM.

You certainly set a very good example of the people that are paying and feeding you.

You are some example of how power goes to one's head.
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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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KD2BD John,This may be easier for you to understand


The DUT is the E-H, installed on a PVC mast above the table with its coax coming out the bottom of the table through a hole in the tabletop, then through the hole in the ferrite floor below the table, into a 10m catwalk under the floor and into the control room, where it's connected to a spectrum analyzer used as a receiver to measure signal strength.

Well Steve I am familiar with your set up and have used the same equipment as well.Here is some thought to think about.

Should you use a non-reactive load, however, when testing an antenna for power output, because the power measurement is only accurate into a purely resistive load. If you are using a reactive load, the actual output power is equal to the voltage multiplied by the current, multiplied by the cosine of the phase angle between them. Highly inductive or capacitive loads can fool you into thinking you have a higher output power than you really do, because, even though the voltage is higher, the current is not in phase with it, so the real power output cannot be accurately determined by measuring the voltage, squaring it, and dividing by the specified impedance, you must multiply by the cosine of the phase angle. A purely resistive load will have the voltage and current in phase, so the cosine of the phase angle is equal to 1, and can be ignored.

Note that the power alternates equally between cycles of positive and negative. This means that power is being alternately absorbed from a reactive load and returned to the source. Which means; even with the ferrite floor there is power going back to the source.

Steve changed the configeration on his testing and not the same as on the air as he stated he would.

73, W6TH.
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by W6TH on October 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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KD2BD John,This may be easier for you to understand


The DUT is the E-H, installed on a PVC mast above the table with its coax coming out the bottom of the table through a hole in the tabletop, then through the hole in the ferrite floor below the table, into a 10m catwalk under the floor and into the control room, where it's connected to a spectrum analyzer used as a receiver to measure signal strength.

Well Steve I am familiar with your set up and have used the same equipment as well.Here is some thought to think about.

Should you use a non-reactive load, however, when testing an antenna for power output, because the power measurement is only accurate into a purely resistive load. If you are using a reactive load, the actual output power is equal to the voltage multiplied by the current, multiplied by the cosine of the phase angle between them. Highly inductive or capacitive loads can fool you into thinking you have a higher output power than you really do, because, even though the voltage is higher, the current is not in phase with it, so the real power output cannot be accurately determined by measuring the voltage, squaring it, and dividing by the specified impedance, you must multiply by the cosine of the phase angle. A purely resistive load will have the voltage and current in phase, so the cosine of the phase angle is equal to 1, and can be ignored.

Note that the power alternates equally between cycles of positive and negative. This means that power is being alternately absorbed from a reactive load and returned to the source. Which means; even with the ferrite floor there is power going back to the source.

Steve changed the configeration on his testing and not the same as on the air as he stated he would.

73, W6TH.
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The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N8QBY on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito W6TH said: "disgrace to the department". Vito, make up your mind. I thought you said I was on welfare? See you don't even know what is truth anymore you lie so much. Look up disgrace in the dictionary, and you will probably see a picture of yourself. You are a disgrace to humankind, ham radio, and people in general. Once again, you have been put in your place. Put out there for all to see. You are a little man. For the short time you have left, why not try and do something for someone else, you selfish fool. Anyway, I am going watch for awhile, and let others school you in electronics theory. Sorry people.
N8QBY
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The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N8QBY on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
To all on E-ham. After some thought, I have decided not to comment here on E-ham anymore. My past comments were only in defense of other hams that were treated poorly by Vito and a few others. I don't take kindly to people like that, and usually say my piece. I just hope that some eyes have been opened. While I could exchange technical views with others, I for the most part, enjoy sitting back and reading the articles. Ham radio is only one of many hobbies with me, and not my life. Hunting, and soon to be ice fishing is near approaching, so time to attend to those hobbies.
If I have offended anyone in the past, my sincere apologies to you's. I am sure you's are capable of handling the likes of some primadonna's that exist here on E-ham. They constantly show their true colors.
73 to all Pat Bernard N8QBY
 
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by G3RZP on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Is it valid to make measurements in an anechoic chamber, which, because of its size, means that the distance to the antenna from the test antenna is less than a wavelength?

Are there any figures available for the reflection coefficient of the chamber walls at 14MHz?
 
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by W6TH on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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KD2BD John,This may be easier for you to understand


The DUT is the E-H, installed on a PVC mast above the table with its coax coming out the bottom of the table through a hole in the tabletop, then through the hole in the ferrite floor below the table, into a 10m catwalk under the floor and into the control room, where it's connected to a spectrum analyzer used as a receiver to measure signal strength.

Well Steve I am familiar with your set up and have used the same equipment as well.Here is some thought to think about.

Should you use a non-reactive load, however, when testing an antenna for power output, because the power measurement is only accurate into a purely resistive load. If you are using a reactive load, the actual output power is equal to the voltage multiplied by the current, multiplied by the cosine of the phase angle between them. Highly inductive or capacitive loads can fool you into thinking you have a higher output power than you really do, because, even though the voltage is higher, the current is not in phase with it, so the real power output cannot be accurately determined by measuring the voltage, squaring it, and dividing by the specified impedance, you must multiply by the cosine of the phase angle. A purely resistive load will have the voltage and current in phase, so the cosine of the phase angle is equal to 1, and can be ignored.

Note that the power alternates equally between cycles of positive and negative. This means that power is being alternately absorbed from a reactive load and returned to the source. Which means; even with the ferrite floor there is power going back to the source.

Steve changed the configeration on his testing and not the same as on the air as he stated he would.

73, W6TH.
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by W6TH on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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by G3RZP on October 26, 2006
Is it valid to make measurements in an anechoic chamber, which, because of its size, means that the distance to the antenna from the test antenna is less than a wavelength?

Are there any figures available for the reflection coefficient of the chamber walls at 14MHz?

First question: Yes, and usually to compare two objects of the same equivalent such as two antennas for gain measurements.

Actually the anechoic room is completely covered with a non reflectiong materiel that will absorb and not reflect.

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The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W1YW on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I'm sorry, but why all this detailed analysis and testing devoted to a 20 meter antenna that's 20 dB down from a dipole?"
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Because sometimes it is far more practical to get an inefficient antenna quite high up while an efficient one might need to be far lower (covenants, and so on).

A very small (electrically) antenna up a goodly height has much better gain at low angles, and this may practically mitigate the inefficiency to some extent.

The problem with this antenna is that it is not sufficiently choked to prevent the coax from radiating--and the coax IS radiating. That's fine in some contexts, but don't call the 'antenna' the upper plumbing only in that case.

73,
Chip W1YW
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by G3RZP on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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I asked:
>Is it valid to make measurements in an anechoic chamber, which, because of its size, means that the distance to the antenna from the test antenna is less than a wavelength?

Are there any figures available for the reflection coefficient of the chamber walls at 14MHz? <

And the reply:

>First question: Yes, and usually to compare two objects of the same equivalent such as two antennas for gain measurements.

Actually the anechoic room is completely covered with a non reflectiong materiel that will absorb and not reflect.<

But measurements so close to the antenna are meaningless in terms of real gain measurement, even if comparing with a calibrated loop - since the loop near field performance will be different to the E-H antenna.

Incidentally, isn't this E-H field antenna the same thing as the Crossed Field Antenna of GM3HAT, papers on which aren't, I understand, accepted by the IEEE Antenna and Propagation Society journal as being technically unsound?

An Anechoic room is lined with absorbing material. But how absorbent? This is determined by measuring the reflection from the walls of the room, and any calibrated chamber has a number for the amplitude of this reflection at any frequency for which the room is considered anechoic. If the absorbing material offers for example, 20dB of absorption, then there will 40dB reflection loss from the chamber: this is the calibration number which I was asking for. The magnitude of this reflection affects the measurement uncertainty involved.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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KD2BD, John You are probably thinking in this term as ro vswr.

What Steve did was to take the EH antenna and check the EH for comparison to a loop antenna, a lab standard loop of -11.7 dB. Steves testing says that the EH antenna, that is just the "reactive load" by itself and not the included coaxial cable has -20 dB. However, this testing did not conform to having a comparison to the antenna in real operation such as on the air in communication with another station. I would rather have Steve demonstrate the test, the complete antenna, the EH along with the coaxial cable versus a halfwavelength antenna in operation.

73, W6TH.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N3OX on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
If you believe the EH antenna claims on www.eh-antenna.com, the far field is brought right up to the antenna. There's no near field, no Fresnel zone, and so the only effect of having the antennas so close together would be from the loop, as you've said. Amazing!

Back to the actual world, though: if the response to the test source loop's electromagnetic field in an 1wl anechoic chamber is down 20dB from a reference dipole, one could expect that you wouldn't get all of those 20dB back if you backed off 10 more wavelengths.

It might be a stretch to say that the far-field gain of the EH antenna is strictly between -20.0 and -22.0 dBd based solely on the anechoic tests, but it's not too ridiculous to say that the gain is going to be very significantly down.

In addition, a long on-air test run vs. a dipole shows 20dB attenuation required on the dipole to match the EH. So, I'm comfortable with the ballpark gain number of -20dBd.

Dan
 
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G3RZP

I myself cannot give you an answer to your comments as I am not familiar to the anechoic room that Steve performed this test. Steve would have that answer for you.What I have used in the past was called an anechoic chamber.

Yes this is the same type of EH antenna that you described. (Incidentally, isn't this E-H field antenna the same thing as the Crossed Field Antenna of GM3HAT, papers on which aren't, I understand, accepted by the IEEE Antenna and Propagation Society journal as being technically unsound?)

G3RZP, your questions are very good and am sure are of interest to many here on eHAM.

73, W6TH.
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by N3OX on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"However, this testing did not conform to having a comparison to the antenna in real operation such as on the air in communication with another station"

But his on air tests were as real-world as they get. Switching in attenuation from a step attenuator on the stronger antenna is a good way to compare the real-world performance of a couple of antennas.

Honestly, Vito, I doubt that a long vertical run of strongly radiating coax would be -20dBd. If Steve's EH antenna were especially good at coupling current onto the coax shield, I'd expect the coax-shield antenna to be pretty good...

Vito, what you're saying does happen regularly with the EH. IZ7ATH's measurements discussed at W8JI's site have shown that it can, and does happen. Choking the feedline on ATH's antenna dropped the signals by 3 S-units. It's not ALWAYS going to happen, though.

The common mode impedance of the coax shield could be high, depending on its length. The EH antenna when tuned, in isolation, to resonance and 50 ohm resistance is going to excite the coax shield differently than a single parallel tuned circuit. The single LC tank circuit has a very HIGH resistance at resonance, and huge voltages will appear at its terminals, and this could excite large common mode currents even on a high impedance common mode path. The EH antenna doesn't appear to be horrifically unbalanced... at least when *tuned to resonance in isolation* It's going to be close to balanced and have a 50 ohm drive impedance, which makes it, I think, no more likely than your average dipole to excite common mode currents on the coax shield. (A dipole with no feedpoint choke does do it, of course, but the feedline length matters a LOT)

I do think, though, that not all hams tune their antennas to resonance with, for example an SWR analyzer running on internal batteries and connected right at the feedpoint. They tune their antenna with the coax attached. There are a large number of coils and capacitors that one could "play with" to get an empirical match, and you could easily end up matching the coax instead of ending up with a self-resonant, 50 ohm circuit like the EH. I think that fiddling with the coils and capacitors on the EH with the coax connected could lead to more excitation of the shield than having the thing tuned to resonance by itself.

Of course, if you've excited your coax run effectively, then you will have a BETTER antenna, because it's bigger, but I think it's plausible that an EH tuned in isolation *could* excite minimal current on the feedline shield, and so could, in fact, show 20dB loss relative to a dipole in both an anechoic chamber and on the air.

The EH antennas that work "well," or comparable to a full-size antenna according to hams on-air tests and field strength measurements are probably those which DO happen to excite lots of shield current. Steve's EH installation didn't, or it would work better.

73,
Dan
 
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by W6TH on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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I am going to ask Steve if there is a possiblility that I could have him or them send me the EH reactive load and let me run a comparison check on it. I would be very happy to do so. I will pay the shipping both ways and be very careful not to damage the unit.

W6TH
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by W6TH on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Very good Dan and you covered quite a bit of excellent information.

What I would like steve to do to check the EH, that is if he can get it back and run this simple test.

Put or install the EH directly on the back of his transceiver, no coax, and then make contacts with it in this configuration. This will check out his test with the chamber. Also if he also has another transceiver he could then make a comparison of a dipole and the EH. This should give all of us a very good idea of what is and what isn't.

I have made this check many, many years ago and this was on the 80 meter band. I was able to communicate all around town and a radius of over 25 miles with this coil and capacitor coupled to my home brew rig.This was in my shack on the third floor so would say that I was up some 24 or so feet above the earth.This EH is just another name for a coil and capacitor called a reactive component.

73.
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by K8MHZ on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Put or install the EH directly on the back of his transceiver, no coax, and then make contacts with it in this configuration."

Steve,

Let me know when you get on the roof and do this. It should make quite a picture. Especially when you have to cut a hole in the roof and operate the rig, which would be face down on the roof, from inside the attic.
 
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by WB2WIK on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I just just returned here...

The anechoic chamber is "calibrated" down to 300 kHz, meaning it is void of reflections at least 30 dB down to that frequency (the lab is certified to test electromagnetic devices in the range of 300 kHz to 40 GHz). This is achieved by pyramid shaped absorbant cones of varying heights, backed by 1" thick solid ferrite tiles lining the walls and ceiling, and a 2" thick solid ferrite flooring. I don't know the precise absorption or reflection at any given frequency, and we're not the ones to measure that, a cal lab does when they visit to certify the chamber annually. I think as long as it's at least 30 dB, they don't even about the numbers. It might be 60 dB at some frequencies, it shouldn't matter.

The distance between the antennas was 20m. It would have been nice to go farther, but the chamber's only 22m long and 2m behind the turntable is a fixed distance we can't change.

In this test, the E-H accepted a radiated signal from a transmitting loop and conducted that received signal through 10m of coaxial cable, to a 50 Ohm resistive load (20 dB attenuator on the front end of a spectrum analyzer). Since a 20 dB attenuator is a nearly perfect 50 Ohm load, the receive power measured would be the same if the detector was a spectrum analyzer, a microwattmeter, a calorimeter, or anything else capable of evaluating power absorbed by a 50 Ohm load.

It would be impossible to connect an E-H antenna feedpoint directly to a transmitter or other equipment because the feedpoint is near the antenna's center and must be attached via a transmission line of some length to reach it. In the case of the E-H antenna evaluated, and pictured in the article, that minimum distance is a couple of feet. It will never be "zero."

I don't expect that placing a high-Q network directly adjacent to metal shielded equipment such as my amateur gear would produce any results worth discussing, as the equipment itself would impact antenna performance. I would also expect that since my ham gear resides in my shack at ground level, and indeed most of it is only 30" above earth ground (tables that are 30" high, above a cement pad over earth), that ground reflections would abound in such a case and those would also invalidate any meaningful measurement.

At home for "on the air" testing, the E-H was mounted about 20' above ground on a PVC pipe supported by a roof vent pipe. No exactly "free space," but closer than hanging it off the back of a transceiver. The coax was about 80' long, overall.

In the anechoic chamber, the coax was only about 30' long overall, and only about three feet of coax was actually exposed in the chamber: From the benchtop to the floor. At floor level, the coax passes through a hole in the ferrite flooring and then through an underground tunnel, beneath ferrite, into a completely shielded test station. So, in the "on air" test, we had 80' of coax as a potential adjunct to the antenna; in the chamber, only about 3' of coax.

Calibrated loops are used for HF electromagnetic testing because they're small, light, convenient, and may be elevated, lowered and rotated easily by the equipment.

NVLAP accredits labs using anechoic chambers rather than outdoor far-field antenna ranges using transfer standards to correlate them; if you're consistently within 2 dB across the spectrum you're trying to certify for, you can gain accreditation and the chamber is considered an acceptable substitute for an outdoor range -- at any frequency tested.

As for taxes, my take on this is: They are part of the cost of living somewhere desirable. I can move to lots of undesirable places and cut my cost of living to about 10% of what it is, now. But we wouldn't be happy there, so we pay to be in a desirable place. Simple as that. I think this is why 70% of the American population lives within 30 miles of a major metropolis. The 30% who do not probably enjoy it right where they are, but they also might not know what they're missing.

Kind of like a ham with only one antenna.

WB2WIK/6
 
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I don't know Steve, but the richest and happy contented folks in New Jersey were the Jersey farmers who lived further out than 30 miles and didn't have to lock their doors.

W6TH.
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I don't know Steve, but the richest and happy contented folks in New Jersey were the Jersey farmers who lived further out than 30 miles and didn't have to lock their doors.<

::This has nothing to do with antennas, but I like general conversation anyway, so...

1. I'm from New Jersey, originally. I left because of the weather; the people were okay.

2. I lived >40 miles from NYC or Philadelphia, up in the northwestern part of the state. It was a very inconvenient place to live, but I would never had known that if I didn't try living other places. I sold those properties and moved closer in.

3. Door locks are for honest people only. Crooks will get right past them.

WB2WIK/6
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KG4LRU on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve

Great comments ,I ran into the E/H antennas in Europe I bought a container load Brought them back to KY to play with. I had excellent results. I had the 160 meter,80 ,40, 20, 17, 15, Found the antenna performed well. The ones I purchased were built in Italy, After getting the antenna Home , I visited Ted Hart, down in Atlanta area. Talk with him more about this antenna. Where I visited with Ted he showed me Japanese Built E/H that was designed for 80 meters It was 5 foot tall 3 inches would 500 watts it had a motorized slug that was position in the coil so you could tune the entire 80 meter band. Most comments that I get about the antenna our like most of the post. I can remember when TED Hart invented the loop antenna he got the same negative comments , 15 years later there accepted as a high performance antenna. I remember when I bought the First Fluid motion Yagi with moving , elements and the boom is too short and it doesn't work, 5 years later its the only antenna too have! For the ham that needs a compact antenna that handle 2 kw can be used as portable and at a restricted sites. This antenna works. I have sold most of the antennas that I purchased or gave away to needing hams. I seen the E/H antennas have got a strong foot hold in Japan . And you can see their latest offering in their version QST also at the Japan Ham Fair, 2005, 2006. I discuss with TED on designing two E/H antennas That would cover the entire band spread . One would be 30 inches Tall and the other would need to about 8 ft. I am looking Forward too some of the new designs. In the mean time. To the Ham that needs a stealthy antenna give it a shot, I think you will be surprised. I worked my first 80 meter DX on a EH antenna 4 years ago. The lower noise floor allowed me to HEAR the DX contact where my dipole covered him up. Keep playing and Do not get discouraged.
73
Phil AI4DQ
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Phil, can we meet on the air, like maybe 20m or 40m? I'd love to "hear" an E-H on the air, so I can make some general observations. That would be great! I can usually get on the air around 0000 UTC and up until maybe 0200 or 0230 UTC. 20m is better earlier, 40m is better later.

Can't do it Friday night, though, my daughter's in a school play and if I'm not there, she'll shoot me.

Is Ted Hart W5QJR? I'd love to meet him on the air, also, and don't think I have.

Tnx & 73,

Steve WB2WIK/6
 
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by W6TH on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Phil,
. I can remember when TED Hart invented the loop antenna he got the same negative comments.


Phil, look back in the year of 1937 and the author Hugo Gernsbach who published the loop antenna.

I used this loop as the same today on the 10 meter band with great success.

That loop was out before you or Hart were born.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Myth Revisited  
by W9WHE-II on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The article is good, because it exposes the E-H myth.
The only people that don't like the article are those that want to propigate this myth, so they can laugh themselves silly in private!



 
RE: The E-H Antenna Myth Revisited  
by W6TH on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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I know that because Hart didn't like my remarks on his EH back a few years ago, may have been on around 2000. I forgave him from what he called me. This was on QRZ.COM.

This is when it first became known with his display for all to get snowed under.

By the way Hart was born in the 33's so he was 4 years old when the loop was out before his birth.

If you don't take a patent on it, someone else will a few years later.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Myth Revisited  
by K5YF on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,

Your article is very well written, and I thank you for it. I very much appreciate your time, efforts, and curiosity.

I wish that I could purchase a selection of commercial products and compare them to "home brew" in the manner you tested this antenna. That would be a hoot! Just think, independent measurements with independent results presented using identical references. It could be called “Elmer’s Antenna Report.” ;)

Very best 73,

Brandon N5JYK
 
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by KG4LRU on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve

Right now i have no E/H antennas up I just have 3 15 meter units and 1 of the 17 meters their new . If send me your email I attached the data sheets and some neat Photos that I have taken of the 80 meter mobile unit. I am good in qrz ai4dq
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by AB7JK on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
What about the 'reduced noise' claims about the antenna. In most shortwave listening situations gain is less important and signal/noise ratio is. Has anyone used the EH purely as a shortwave antenna?
 
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by WB2WIK on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AB7JK: I do mention, I think, that this is a very "quiet" antenna, for sure. Then again, it has negative gain and most negative gain antennas would be quieter than gain antennas!

The problem with the E-H for shortwave listening is that it's a very high-Q, narrowband antenna. I don't know of any way to change that. So, if you restrict shortwave listening to 14.000-14.350 MHz, it might be good. But it won't cover several MHz.

WB2WIK/6
 
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by N3OX on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I do mention, I think, that this is a very "quiet" antenna, for sure. Then again, it has negative gain and most negative gain antennas would be quieter than gain antennas! "

Steve, you mention that sometimes switching to the EH on strong signals would drop them into the noise. Do you remember if that was the rule for weak signals? Shouldn't be able to get more signal to noise without directivity. Maybe with a RX array of EH antennas ;-)

I guess there could be an exception for stations of the very end of a high, well choked dipole vs. those on the omnidirectional EH.

Dan
 
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by WB2WIK on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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by N3OX on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I do mention, I think, that this is a very "quiet" antenna, for sure. Then again, it has negative gain and most negative gain antennas would be quieter than gain antennas! "

Steve, you mention that sometimes switching to the EH on strong signals would drop them into the noise. Do you remember if that was the rule for weak signals?<

::Yes, I believe it was. If a signal was very weak on a "big" antenna, chances are it was not copyable on the E-H. There may have been exceptions, I don't specfically remember, and these tests were four years ago!

>Shouldn't be able to get more signal to noise without directivity. Maybe with a RX array of EH antennas ;-)<

::You can improve S/N without directivity. Examples abound, but here's one: Vertical omni (no gain) vs. horizontal closed loop (also no gain). The loop will almost always provide a better S/N, unless the band and location are eerily quiet so there's no noise on either one. Another one: 1 WL Beverage, unterminated. This is a bidirectional antenna that's very broad, but almost always improves S/N compared with a 1/2-wave dipole up high (another bidirectional antenna that's very broad).
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 26, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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With this type of antenna you can broaden the band width by increasing the inductance and reducing the amount of capacity. The Q will be lower and also there will be a reduction of noise.

Hart claims his EH will improve as the sig gets down into the noise, I don't believe this to be true. The math by the Russian is very interesting to prove Hart's point of the magnet field, but the Russian added a wild card to his math to prove the point of why the antenna is not a hertz. Very interesting format.
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by F6IQA on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>I do have a question. Where did the 20dB go? This is a >resonant antenna, and 100W is delivered and the >components don't "get hot", so where did the 20dB (99 >watts) go?
I have read somewhere that feed line is critical, and because most of radiation power comes from the coax cable. So no components get hot because power is radiated elsewhere, and you will probably find some heat in metal parts all around...
Anyway, it is still a nice and original pipe to drive rain water from the roof to the ground.
Stay away. Prefer a coper pipe loop or even a small center fed that will do MUCH better.
 
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by F6IQA on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Not true. If power is returned to the source when the load is reactive as you previously stated, a low VSWR is impossible.

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I should have read all the topic before posting my first reply.
In fact, saying that power is returned to the source as VSWR is non existant because load is "reactive" is a technical nonsense. The quoted reply (up) is quite right.
 
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by W6TH on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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by F6IQA on October 27, 2006
>I do have a question. Where did the 20dB go? This is a >resonant antenna, and 100W is delivered and the >components don't "get hot", so where did the 20dB (99 >watts) go?
I have read somewhere that feed line is critical, and because most of radiation power comes from the coax cable. So no components get hot because power is radiated elsewhere, and you will probably find some heat in metal parts all around...
Anyway, it is still a nice and original pipe to drive rain water from the roof to the ground.
Stay away. Prefer a coper pipe loop or even a small center fed that will do MUCH better.

How true. Now this:


Actually this was not a test for the complete antenna system and just a test which "means nothing" as to the efficiency of the antenna. The reactive load plays a very small part in the radiation of the RF. This is the test that one would want to find out how the MFJ tuners will compare to a -11.7 loop antenna.

The test should have been made with the complete configuration of the reactive load and also the combined radiating coax line.

It started out this way and wound up checking a reactive dummy load versus a -11.7 loop.

73,W6TH.
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by W9OY on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
If the antenna exhibits -20dB gain in on the air tests with 80ft of coax, and it exhibits the same -20dB gain with 30" of coax in the test room, how can you ascribe this antenna's behavior to the coax? The negative gain figures are the same.

This would tend to preclude common mode as the means by which this antenna works.

73 W9OY
 
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by W9WHE-II on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AB7JK asks:

"What about the 'reduced noise' claims about the antenna". Your dummy load is also a "reduced noise" antenna.

The E-H is a TERRIBLE antenna.
You would be better off with almost any other antenna. Random wire, hamstick, just about anything. Why interest in this so-called "antenna" continues, is a mystery. As the article shows, its AWFUL!



 
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by KD2BD on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
> The test should have been made with the complete
> configuration of the reactive load and also the
> combined radiating coax line.

I would REALLY appreciate an explanation as to how a thoroughly shielded structure, such as coaxial transmission line, can be made to radiate RF energy.

Unless high levels of RF currents are intentionally made to flow on the outside of the outer conductor (in which case a properly functioning balun connected at the antenna feedpoint is indicated), or the outer conductor has slots cut into it (such as RADIAX(R) -- http://www.andrew.com/products/trans_line/radiax/), it's not going to radiate.

All antennas radiate E and H fields. How they are produced, or the exact ratio of each in the near field is irrelevant because the E and H fields will always arrive in their proper proportions at a distant receiving location.

A very short dipole (or monopole) radiates mostly E and very little H in the near field. A very small loop radiates mostly H and very little E in the near field. Yet, the ionosphere treats both radiators equally, and there's nothing a distant receiving station can do to distinguish what kind of antenna was used at the transmitting location. Small loop and short dipole people can't share the same frequency. In fact, they communicate with one another quite well.

A properly operating dipole will radiate with nearly 100% efficiency. That means a dipole driven by 1-watt of RF energy will produce 1-watt of electromagnetic energy. The method by which the E and H fields are produced, or their exact proportion in the near field are irrelevant. The radiated field strength produced at a distant location over a free-space path can be predicted to a very high degree of accuracy consistent with the proven laws of physics. If an antenna design claims it can do otherwise, think twice!

And, incidentally, just because an antenna is small in terms of wavelength doesn't mean it HAS to be lossy, inefficient or radiate a poor signal. You WILL lose bandwidth. Matching the feed point to 50-ohms WILL get a little complicated, but if the radiating elements and the matching network are low-loss, the antenna WILL radiate with a high level of efficiency, regardless of the size.

www.snopes.com really needs to have a category for the E-H Antenna, radiating coax, and other popular radio myths. :-)


73, de John, KD2BD
 
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by W6TH on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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by W9OY on October 27, 2006
If the antenna exhibits -20dB gain in on the air tests with 80ft of coax, and it exhibits the same -20dB gain with 30" of coax in the test room, how can you ascribe this antenna's behavior to the coax? The negative gain figures are the same.

This would tend to preclude common mode as the means by which this antenna works.


Should this be true with the above, then why use 80 feet of coax?

It is a known fact that the 80 feet of coax does radiate and recips to receive as well. The coax is the antenna and the gadget on the end is the reactive load. ( to bring the vswr down to minimun of 1:1 ratio).

This is false:
by W9OY on October 27, 2006
If the antenna exhibits -20dB gain in on the air tests with 80ft of coax, and it exhibits the same -20dB gain with 30" of coax in the test room....(This is hear say).

Mine doesn't see that, with 33 feet of coax, mine shows a loss of 10 dB, two "S" units "at the most", (it varies) compared to my dipole 1/2 wave at 17 feet above earth on 20 meters.

Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear.

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by NI0C on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE wrote: "The E-H is a TERRIBLE antenna.
You would be better off with almost any other antenna. Random wire, hamstick, just about anything. Why interest in this so-called "antenna" continues, is a mystery. As the article shows, its AWFUL!"

Apparently, there are those who want to know, within 0.01 dB, just how awful it is!

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by KE0VH on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hello I was amazed to see that there was someone who would do this much work and really give it a test after all this time! GREAT JOB WB2WIK!

This is an example to me anyway of the fun experimenting spirit of ham radio, whether the antenna is a bad rubber duck for HF or not. As I wrote in my original article too, this was a facinating experiment, and yes, it won't ever compete with a beam or vertical or anything else in an exciting way, but it was fun. Someday I do want to play with these more. Now, for all the naysayers, you are right about all your technical comments. But, you know bedsprings have been loaded up for fun and contacts made. So what if it is not as good as the "real antennas". As I wrote in my first article, my first contact on the one I made was on a broomstick 10 feet away from me in the shack (it was raining outside) with a guy in California from my QTH nr Denver. One of my first antennas to play around with was a 10 foot electrical extension cord, and I made contacts on it with a 5 watt QRP rig. FUN GUYS, lets remember that is what a lot of Amatuer Radio is all about. Thanks again for WB2WIK's experiments. I will be doing the same again, despite my 5BTV and dipoles.

Please, do have FUN! Enjoy this wonderful service/hobby that we are Blessed to be free to enjoy!
73'
KE0VH
www.qsl.net/ke0vh
 
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by W6TH on October 27, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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KE0VH

The EH is on my list as the most wanted. I have my EH going into a ICOM 718 and the 1/2 wave dipole is going into the second ICOM 718.

I find my EH comes in quite handy and it is up and running daily 24/7 365 on a diversity system.

I do not transmit with it as my capacitors are not capable of taking more than 20 watts do to the high voltage at the reactive load.

It is strange that we have several Ph'd hams here that never seem to want to get involved with a situation such as this, but yet seem to have many comments about nothing.

Enjoy your day as I always enjoy mine.
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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9OY on October 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Vito's babbling aside, I would really like to understand how this antenna works. At first I was willing to believe in the common mode analysis, but after Steve's test, it would seem the common mode analysis is either not correct or only part of the story.

There was an antenna that was researched by the Navy in years past called a DDRR. There were all kinds of magic analysis associated with it early in its history. What the final analysis turned out to be is that the antenna was basically a very short vertical with an extremely efficient ground plane and feed system to match the very small radiation resistance of the short antenna. Because of the remarkably high efficiency of the feed/ground plane system the radiation resistance was not overwhelmed with ohmic loss, and what we know about antennas is preserved. From what I've read about the DDRR it is an excellent antenna but it is way too expensive to implament, a single band antenna costs something like $4000 to implament and will never do better than a full size vertical.

If 99 out of 100 watts are lost, and you are claiming common mode as the means of transmission you would expect something 80ft long to be a considerably better radiator than something 2.5ft long at 14mhz. Much less of the 100W should be lost in then 80ft piece of coax if the coax is the actual antenna than in the 2.5ft piece. The fact that you see the same negative 20dB gain in both instances argues against the common mode analysis. If it was just the coax acting as the antenna and the thing on the end is acting as some sort of RLC resonator(the common mode analysis) you would not predict the gains to be the same for different length antennas (80ft vs 2.5 ft)

If the "antenna" (that thing hanging off the end of the coax) is actually the radiator, can the performance be improved by developing a feed system that has the efficiency to actually transfer power to it like the DDRR. If the feed system of the DDRR was in anyway compromised the antenna became a resistor.

73 W9OY
 
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by KG6WLS on October 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I guess the proof would be in the pudding, whether it's dummy load, or not.

Steve, we've all seen the beatings that this device has got the past few days by the nay-sayers. I would like to hear you on the air with it. Even if I can't hear you, I would like to hear the sig reports from the others working you. Give me/us a time (UTC) and frequency so that I/we can hear and compare for ourselves.

Living in a CC&R enviroment here at my QTH, I've managed to get by with a homebrew 24ft. aluminum telescopic vertical w/ the AH-4 tuner and a few radials. FB... it works and I'm happy--considering. I'm always thinking of stealth homebrew ideas, and the E-H is one of them.

Here's a quote from my college days:

"I have a degree in physics but, he has an opinion".

There's probally others that loaded up an electric toaster at one time, worked several stations, and thumbed their nose at physics.

Thanks for the article, Steve! Let's hear ya'!!

73
Mike
 
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by W6TH on October 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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I experiemented with the DDRR on the 40 meter band, ground mounted. ( some 35 years ago). There was a six "S" (30 dB) units down from my center fed Zepp at 35 feet. Raising the DDRR to the heigth of 30 feet, the DDRR was very close to the Zepp in signal strength, but was vertically polorized. This was both receiving and transmitting.

As far as the EH goes, I don't agree with Steves calculations as I see less loss on the air operation than on his console. I see from my tests on the "reactive load" some -54 dB and no -20 dB. I see -10 dB on the air tests and no -20 dB.

There you have it my friend, take it or leave it.

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by KG6WLS on October 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Another quote:

"Necessity is the mother of all inventions" Or, visa-versy.

Think "out-of-the-box" (stealth) for a moment, my friend. I/we would still like to hear the E-H over the air. I, for one, wouldn't waste the time to homebrew anything unless I can see/hear that it works.

Would I build one of these E-H antennas? Probally not. I'm having fun with what I'm using (read post above yours again) and enjoying my new privs. I just want to simply hear for myself.

I may not be as wise or old as you are, Vito. But, I'm still enjoying the service/hobby none the less. Nothing can keep the stealth operator off the air.

73 de Mike
 
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by W6TH on October 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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OOP's corretion: Not -54 dB should be -34 dB.

KG6WLS

Well mike too bad you missed out on the good old days where it was back some 80 long years ago. Every transmitter were around 25 watts with just a single one tube rig of maybe two using the 6L6 osc and amp.
.....Or what I started out with which was a one tube TNT osc using a audio tube for transmitting.

Also we worked a few years to accomplish the code and theory to obtain our ticket as it was never dreamed of the ticket being awarded so easily and handed over so easily.

Do you honestly think you could pass the code and the theory that I past in the year of 1938? No, I don't think so and you probably waited until the dumbing came along. (ain't that right Mike?)

A General class ticket had to copy 13 wpm and not miss one character and at least a minimum of 50 questions and pass with a 75 percent and above.

Think about it Mike before balling an old man out and put yourself in this old man's position when you reach the good age of 84.

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by KG6WLS on October 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
<<"Do you honestly think you could pass the code and the theory that I past in the year of 1938? No, I don't think so and you probably waited until the dumbing came along. (ain't that right Mike?)">>

Nah, I didn't wait for any "dumbing down", nor did I ask for it. When I took my test, I took what was given to me and studied the material. NOT the question pool. Period!! Who would be silly enough to memorize the entire question pool?

You can blame the "dumbing down" towards someone else.

<<"Think about it Mike before balling an old man out and put yourself in this old man's position when you reach the good age of 84".>>

I wasn't balling out an old man -- as you perceived.

My father, who is 85 years of age, served in WWII in the Pacific Theatre and I have more respect for him than you, or any other. I'm glad you were around to live the "glory days", OM. But, I'm only 43 years of age. The tail end of the baby boomer's. I didn't ask to be born so late in life. But, you know what? I still enjoy listening to may Dad talk about the "glory days" while listening to his Glenn Miller LP's. That swing music was great stuff!! :)

73
Mike


 
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by KG6WLS on October 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
One last final to your poke me in the eye comment of:

<<Do you honestly think you could pass the code and the theory that I past in the year of 1938? No, I don't think so and you probably waited until the dumbing came along. (ain't that right Mike?)>>

Again, I was not around in 1938 to take the test. But, I'm sure that if I wanted it bad enough back then I would have gotten my ticket like you did. It's too bad that you won't accept the new generation to the brotherhood, so that they may enjoy this fine art. It's comments like yours (that you've made in the past) that make the newcomers un-welcomed to AR. That's a shame to have people like you throw pot shots at those who take a serious interest (like myself) to ham radio. I'm not going to respond anymore to your post because there is no one (including myself) that can hold a candle to you.

Vito, enjoy your new QTH in NH. I hear it gets real cold back there in the winter. But, hey -- you've got money to burn to keep you warm since you don't pay taxes anymore. (ain't that right Vito?)

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by WB2WIK on October 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Mike KG6WLS:

I can't get on the air to contact you while using the E-H since, as I wrote in the article (and repeated a few more times in the comments), this was a borrowed antenna built by someone else, and I gave it back four years ago now (the article was from November 2002).

I didn't try it because I had antenna restrictions; I tried it, as written in the article, because Dave KD3V happened to have this one (shown and reported) and offered to lend it to me for a couple of weeks of fooling around.

I have two towers, four beams, three verticals and outdoor wire antennas at home. It was to one of those beams (on a towers) and a 6BTV vertical on a roof tower that I originally compared the E-H, to find it pretty far "down" from either one, all the time.

That is one point I found interesting: That is was so *consistently* down, for all signals arriving from anywhere. I've never quite seen an antenna like that before; normally, an antenna is down for some paths and angles, and down less for others, maybe "up" a bit for still others, etc. This one was just consistently down for local signals, DX signals, all signals.

Yet, despite it dismal comparative performance, it made hundreds of contacts, easily. Of course, that was in Fall 2002, when we were only about one year past the peak of sunspot Cycle 23 and the 20m band was open about 20 hours a day. In Fall 2006 it might not make so many contacts so easily.

Operator skill still plays a very important factor in making contacts. I thought it was cute that I worked a guy in India with the E-H, despite it being a very poor antenna, and worked him while others were still calling him. A lot of people heard that QSO, because I specifically mentioned the E-H antenna and that I was surprised to be working the other side of the world "long path" using what some might consider a shiny dummy load.

This is the most perfect example I can think of to demonstrate why having only *one* antenna for any band will never lead its owner to any reasonable conclusion about how it works.

WB2WIK/6
 
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by KG4RUL on October 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
To put this issue in the terms used by the 'Mythbusters':

EH Antennas - PLAUSIBLE
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W6TH on October 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
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Reality is a question of perspective; the further you get from the past, the more concrete and plausible it seems -- but as you approach the present, it inevitably seems incredible.

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by KG6WLS on October 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve WB2WIK/6:

Thanks for the reply. At some point in time I would still like to give the E-H a try, just to see for myself. Every antenna that I use here is hombrew for VHF/UHF/HF that I've built myself. I'm sure when the sunspot cycle comes back around in our favor (around 2010?), you could work with a stick in the mud with only 5 watts out. Hopefully by then I'll be living in a non-CC&R QTH with *real* antennas and be able to compare the E-H for myself.

At the moment, I have only a 12' x 16' footprint of a patio to work with at my condo, and neighbors directly on both sides. I've managed to sneak up on the roof two loops and a vertical. The telescopic AL vertical/AH-4 has been my only way to get on the bands. It's simply brought down and put away when not in use. But, this is what makes ham radio enjoyable to me. Working the States, JA's, Finland, Canary Islands stations from a condo running barefoot on 17 & 20 meters. They're not 59+ reports but, they're contacts with enjoyable QSO's.

I don't have as much time to get on the air as *most* do in here, Steve. But, I do enjoy the *little* time that I have on the air -- with what I have. Give me a sked/band, Steve and I'll give you a shout (voice, CW at 13-15 WPM ((sorry)), or PSK31.

Thanks, Steve!

73 de Mike
 
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by KG6WLS on October 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I've managed to sneak up on the roof two loops and a vertical. The telescopic AL vertical/AH-4 has been my..."

Ooops! The vertical on the roof is VHF/UHF. That stays. The telescopic is portable. You didn't think I was going to run up and down the roof with 24' of aluminum all the time, did you? HI :)

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RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Mike, if you're in Santee that's an unworkable distance on most bands.

I can work Santee during the day on 40m. I can also work Santee on 6m or 2m SSB if the station on that end has a horizontal beam, but with a vertical I don't think it will happen.

It's too close for any of the HF bands above 10 MHz, the skip never gets that short.

Problem with "during the day on 40m" is that I'm not home during the day to operate, except sometimes on Saturday or Sunday...when if I'm on the air, I'd likely be on the higher bands during the daytime; that's where the activity and the DX is.

We might be able to make in on 75m in the late afternoon/early evening before the band goes too long.

Let me know, and I'll try to be there!

Was only on 30m CW last night, with the CQ WW taking up all of 20m, 40m and 75m phone I thought I'd "escape" by working 30m, and it was wide open. Lots of Russians, they kept answering me.

73,

Steve WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by K2WH on October 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Editor's Note: Due to the popularity of some of eHam's older articles, many of which you may not have read, the eHam.net team has decided to rerun some of the best articles that we have received since eHam's inception. These articles will be reprinted to add to the quality of eHam's content and in a show of appreciation to the authors of these articles."

I have a question. If this article and others are a repost, are the comments also reposted or are they current?
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9OY on October 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Current
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9WHE-II on October 30, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
All of you that are so enamored with the E-H, should look at my 10Dbd Corbamite rubber duckie. Made of a propriatary exotic blend of copper alloys and Corbamite, it multiplies the power output of your HT Ten times! It can add nearly 2 "S" units to your HT's signal! The Corba-duckie is available for only $79.99ea. And if you act now, I will pay the shipping!

But wait....there's more!
If you buy one of my Corba-duckies, you can also buy one of my 20Dbd 8 foot NO-RADIAL REQUIRED vertical antennas for your home QTH for only $299.99 more, and I will pay the shipping!

Act fast. These prices won't stay low for long!



 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N3OX on October 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sweet! Now we can test and debunk them too!
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by K8MHZ on October 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Serious question:

Is there a vertical that uses no radials and is the same size / height that works better than the EH?
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NI0C on October 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Mark,

The closest thing that comes to mind is Force 12's Sigma 5 vertical dipoles. Around 10 ft. tall, no radials, covers the 20 thru 10 meters, fairly broad banded, takes power, and gets out!

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB2WIK on October 31, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The Sigma-5 should run rings around the E-H.

However, the E-H isn't even close to ten feet tall: It's two feet from base to tip!

If it should be compared with anything, it should be compared with other antennas that are two feet long, I suppose. This antenna will truly fit inside a roof vent pipe and just look like an extension of that pipe, if it were painted a like color.

In the photographs, the test E-H is indeed installed by plugging its PVC tubing into a vent pipe.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NI0C on November 1, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"However, the E-H isn't even close to ten feet tall: It's two feet from base to tip!"

Understood, Steve; however I would argue anyone with only room for a two foot antenna would be better off confining his/her interest to VHF/UHF frequencies, or short-wave listening.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N3OX on November 1, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I wouldn't say someone that's only got room for a two foot antenna should avoid HF... I might try to make the case that someone who's "only got room for a two foot antenna" isn't being creative enough, though ;-)

Steve's right, though, it should be compared with two foot antennas since we already know it can't stack up to a full-size antenna.

Dan
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NI0C on November 2, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
As a general rule, anyone trying to work HF with an antenna only 1/32 wavelength long is trying to defy the laws of physics and is headed for frustration.


 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NI0C on November 2, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"we already know it can't stack up to a full-size antenna."

None of the F-12 Sigma series vertical dipoles are "full-sized." The Sigma 5 isn't even full-sized on ten meters, let alone 20m. These are shortened antennas-- but shortened within reasonable limits.



 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by N3OX on November 2, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"anyone trying to work HF with an antenna only 1/32 wavelength long is trying to defy the laws of physics and is headed for frustration."

Not if they're completely cognizant of the fact that their 100W is a 1W-equivalent signal and they'd rather run QRP ERP than none at all. There are strong enough signals on 20m every day to take a 20dB hit on TX and RX and still make a few contacts.

It's not different than using a screwdriver antenna on 75m mobile, really. The ones who will get frustrated those unfortunate souls who think the EH is going to work just like a dipole.

Don't get me wrong, it's not what I think of as a GOOD antenna, I think that even the most heavily restricted hams could figure out something BETTER, but I think as long as no one is making physics-defying claims to potential users, it's fine to select one particular -20dBd antenna over another.

Dan
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by G3RZP on November 2, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"anyone trying to work HF with an antenna only 1/32 wavelength long is trying to defy the laws of physics and is headed for frustration".

In practice, but not in theory. In theory, a dipole around 3 feet long at 14 MHz is only 1 dB or so down on a half wave dipole. The problem is that the radiation resistance is so low and the reactance so high that actually matching (and making!) the thing without losing all the power in conductor resistance is the problem. Possibly a superconductor for the antenna and the coils?

The work of Wheeler and Chu hasn't been proven wrong yet, even though they published nearly 50 years ago!

 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W2HES on November 3, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
But what are the laws of physics? They seem to be changing lately!

Some of you may have head about the recent information where a material object was made invisible to microwaves. The so called cloaking experiment performed at Duke University. This is real and not phony. I have been following this technology for some time. It makes use of something called a "metamaterial". For this particular instance the metamaterial was a split ring resonator -small metallic rings that resonate in the microwave band. However, metamaterials can be made for other frequencies and from other types of materials.

Now here is what I am getting at - recent studies (theory and E&M field computer simulations) have indicated that a dipole of length equal to 1/100 wavelength can be made to radiate at 100% efficiency, is resonant (e.g., 75 ohm real impedance) and has a useable bandwidth. The dipole was surrounded by a metamaterial that most likely can be made.

I got this info from an IEEE journal: IEEE Transactions on Antennas and Propagation, Vol. 54, No. 7, July 2006.

Other papers have been published recently on this topic.

So in the future (5-10 years from now) you can expect this technology to be available and if cheap enough every ham can have a perfect antenna regardless of size.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by F6IQA on November 3, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The lower the physical length is, the lower the radiating resistance is. So to radiate e.g. 100W, as P=R x I2, so I=SQR(P/R) if R comes very low, you can imagine radiating all the power with 100% efficiency. But you will need VERY HIGH intensity.
Also, the lower the physical length is, the higher the electric impedence/reactance is. Thus to obtain very high curent in very high impedance, you need VERY VERY HIGH voltage.
In theory, this is possible. I intend to show (this has already been told upper in this topic) that most of the problem lies in obtaining low losses.
Using big dimensions conductors, low temperature or even new metamaterial can be a path for investigations.
I am sure that a vertical center-fed of 2 feet (60cm) with large diameter silvered (or not) coper pipe will give much better results than the E-H junk, without any burns on equipment case. With no bandwith problems as you will use a convenient balanced tuner and a twin-lead line, you will even be multiband !
60cm on 20M is similar to 2.4M on 80M and this is more or less the physical lenth of a 80M mobile whip.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by G3RZP on November 3, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know about some of this technology being available in 5 to 10 years. It may, then again it may not. I can remember (in the 1970s)when SOS (silicon on sapphire) was going to become the miracle cheap semiconductor process used everywhere. It hasn't.

There's been a number of papers on using materials with negative permittivity and permeability for antennas. I don't pretend to understand the mathematics, but it would appear to offer some possibilities in size reduction. But none of the possibilities appear to counter the work of Wheeler and Chu.

As was said, the problem of small antennas (and this derives from Chu) is the high voltages and currents and concomitant losses in real insulators and conductors.
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WB3JOK on November 3, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I know it's not a vertical, but may I recommend a "Magnetic Loop" antenna... physically very small and MUCH better than -20 dbd performance!

I have two (indoors in a wood frame house with vinyl siding). One three foot octagonal loop of 1/2" copper tubing for 20/40m on a PVC pipe stand, and an eight foot rectangular loop of 1" tubing (fastened to the wall with large ceramic standoffs) for 40/75m. Both tuned by vacuum capacitors. No radials, and the pattern has a sharp null through the plane of the loop.

Modeling software shows each loop should be within -1 to -2 dbd when tuned to the higher frequency, and no worse than -5 dbd for the 3 ft loop even on 40m. From northern Maine, I've worked many states and DX stations with my HW-101 barefoot, and lots more with the SB-200 amp. They do need frequent retuning since the 2:1 SWR BW is quite narrow (about 50 Khz on 20m with the small loop, for example).

The 3' loop could be painted an inconspicuous color and temporarily placed on a balcony if the house or building is made of a non-HF-transparent material...or up in the attic, etc.

-Charles
WB3JOK
 
The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by K1XT on November 3, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
What a joy to see a well written article with good research and scientific evidence to back up ones findings. Well done, Mr. Katz.


Bill k1xt
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9WHE-II on November 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W2HES writes:

"recent studies (theory and E&M field computer simulations) have indicated that a dipole of length equal to 1/100 wavelength can be made to radiate at 100% efficiency.........."

Yea right. Dream on.
You would be better off buying either my 10 DBD Corbamite rubber duckie or my 8 foot, 20 DBD no ground radial antennas. Better yet, buy em both for $349. and I will pay the shipping! Hurry, they are going fast!

 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by NI0C on November 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W9WHE:
I'll get my order in just as soon as I get the 200 ft. of 1/2 inch hardline to hook up to the antenna. I don't want to lose any of them valuable "dog-biscuits," you know!
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by W9WHE-II on November 6, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Funny you should mention feedline!
I'm also having a sale on my special RG-58ZL (ZL for Zero Loss) feedline. Only $1.50 per foot. Zero loss at 3KW up to 3 GHZ!

BUT WAIT!
Buy a Corbamite antenna and mget my RG-58ZL ZERO LOSS FEEDLINE for ONLY $1 per foot!

The LAWS of Physicis apply to ALL antennas, even those advertised in QST, and the E-H is no different. So far as I know, the most efficent antenna is still the dipole with a 90% plus figure. Allways remember that old addage....."if it sounds too good to be true, it is".
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by WA7VTD on November 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Switching in attenuation from a step attenuator on the stronger antenna is a good way to compare the real-world performance of a couple of antennas."

Actually, it can sometimes be a reasonably useful manner of empirically testing, in one's own environment, the relative characteristics of a couple of antennas, solely as to the received signal source then being used, provided the signals received from that source are of a sufficiently constant and stable amplitude during the time frame occupied by the comparisons. The major point, though, is that it's the best method the overwhelming majority of us have got! Using this method, however, one might conclude that an antenna is relatively crappy compared to another when the source signal is arriving, say, at an elevation angle of 45 degrees; but, were another test performed on ground wave reception, the "crappy" antenna might prove "superior."

I always enjoy the nit-picking that goes on when an antenna thread is started; much of the nit-picking is very valuable, whereas some of it inevitably detracts from the general point being originally made. And it provides a golden opportunity for some among us (myself included) to ignore Samuel Clemens' (aka 'Mark Twain's') observation "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

Steve's post provides, IMO, far more useful information than, I would say, 99% of ones devoted to antennas, and the modestly-presented conclusions are of value based upon his research efforts and their acknowledged inherent limitations, without regard to any posited deficiencies in the "lab" methodology. He certainly provides wellmore than sufficient data for an amateur of any level of knowledge to make an informed choice as to whether this antenna is worth building and deploying for any reason -- one of which may simply be curiosity; e.g. I know how a "crystal radio set" works but it was still sort of a thrill, even at age 30 when I did it, to build one from scratch that actually "worked."

An anecdote in order to illustrate the value of exprimenting with things we already know won't perform as well as other, tried and true things: Back around 1985, I was plagued for months by mysterious "QRN" that made reception of weaker signals quite problematic on the quadruple-conversion receiver of an Icom 730, especially on 40M. My girlfriend enjoyed donning a little in-ear earphone and listening to the aforementioned home-brew xtal rcvr at night, and the aerial for the thing was just thin random-length wire tacked on the walls and ceiling of the bedroom, which was adjacent to the room used as my radio shack.

One day the "QRN" disappeared, and later I noticed that the xtal rcvr's aerial was disconnected; the YL had done so when de-cluttering the bedroom. Sure enough, re-connecting its aerial instantly produced the phantom "QRN" (which was NOT QRN) on the IC-730. The diode-rectified radio sigs at the xtal rcvr were being re-radiated by the aerial and although very weak, were strong enough to make it to the front end of the IC-730.

So, this little "fun" experiment of building the xtal set -- which did not require laboratory measurements in order to prove that it was inferior to a modern radio receiver -- ultimately resulted in my learning something useful about tracking down sources of noise, causing me to bone up further on the subject. Subsequently, I found and remedied (or caused to be remedied) noise introduced by electric blankets, old doorbell relays several houses away, rusty rain gutters, loose connections on power poles, etc., etc.

The same kind of learning can occur by building "lousy" antennas such as the "E-H."

Too bad QST did not employ even a scintilla of Steve's methods when recently publishing a "review" of that new, expensive, Japanese, short, fiberglass-radomed "HF vertical" that is touted as the answer for many installations. And, remember that dipole center connector-based "matching device" sold in the 80's that made the claims about "perfect 1.1:1 SWR across all bands, on any band?" After QST slammed it as nothing more than a 50-ohm resistive load with wire terminals and banned it from being advertised in QST, its manufacturer launched an ad campaign in CQ and other mags with the slogan "The bottom line is that it WORKS." At the time, QST proclaimed that it would NEVER accept advertising for such a device, ever, in the future. Yet it just published an enormously generous apologia for the "HF vertical" in question, designed to answer in the negative its opening rhetorical question "Is it a fraud?" Of course it's a "fraud," owing only due to careful (but still woefully insufficiently candid) ad wording, not being fraudulent quite to the same extent as the old "dipole matcher," and like the older device, utilizes a 50-ohm resistive load to achieve its "broadband" characteristics. Heck, the "bottom line," though, is that "it works!" And admittedly, at some particular frequency, it probably works reasonably well, compared to the E-H. And as noted by the reviewer, it might be the "best" approach among those available, in a given temporary set-up. (One could do the same thing for a couple of dollars, but I can envision situations in which this vertical might have some application, such as being stored ready to use by non-amateurs working at civil defense agencies, etc).

So, is the Isotron "a fraud?" Here we get into "novelty" issues. At least the Isotron is not a resistor dressed up in a black box and touted as some kind of miracle. It's art as much as it is electronics. It's kinda cool. But it ain't a 1/2 wave dipole...and it ain't touted to be like one.

On a lark, I once attempted feeding 50W from a solid-state transmitter through a very long (100+ feet)run of lossy 50-ohm coax to a 20-inch, helically-wound, rain gutter-mounted CB antenna at my 11-foot house eave, through an L-network tuner, and to my surprise made an SSB contact in G-land from Oregon during the noon hour, on 20 meters. Miracle? Only to the extent that ionospheric refraction is a "miracle." Nice F-layer, plentiful sunspots, unusually little QRN, correct distance between stations, no adjacent channel QRM, sufficiently strong sigs arriving at whatever angle was favored, help on my RX from an outboard AF DSP box, The Great Magnet bestowing Its Ethereal Blessings, etc., etc. Maybe I should have bought a few hundred of these CB car whips, repackaged them as "all-band HF verticals with no radials required," photcopied my G-land log entry to include in the display ad, and marketed them at markup, carefully noting in the ad that "unlike past frauds, this antenna does NOT consist of a 50-ohm resistor with wire attached, but is a REAL ANTENNA!"

As a novice at age 15, I used to do code practice by means of 80-meter on-air CW rag-chews with my same-age novice compadre a quarter mile away, each of us loading 75-watt incandescent light bulbs on our operating desks. "IT'S A MIRACLE!" (Adjust pi-network for maximum illumnination, and off we go). I never took the light bulb to an anechoic chamber to "reliably" determine whether it performed the same as a full-size, resonant dipole (for obvious reasons!!!), but I'm sure that if I had done so, someone here would be bashing my results as being flawed, despite the obvious inferiority of the bulb.
(I can see it now: "Kevin, your arrogance in presenting purported "data" from a "lab" to "prove" that a light bulb is a poor DX antenna, is outrageous! You failed to present ANY field strength measurements and did NOT take into account the effect of the coax, which was probably radiating because you did not ...yadda, yadda, yadda...").

Still, despie being a crappy antenna, the light bulb was the "perfect" antenna for the application in which it was being utilized -- on-air CW rag-chewing over a quarter mile between two Novices gearing up to upgrade their tickets, and exercising the principle of not cluttering up hot daytime DX bands with high-amplitude sigs. Similarly, there may be an application for which a home-brew "E-H" would be "perfect" (though one does not immediately come to mind); without people such as Steve doing what he did, however, such applications would never come to mind at all.

Great piece, Steve, and interesting. I admire anyone who tackles something the way you did, especially when common sense and basic theory was enough to debunk the claims made by certain folks seeking to profit on the "E-H." And your conclusions are both modest and reasonable. Whether it's 6db down from a dipole or 22 db down, your exprimental data (both anecdotally and in the lab) confirm the obvious hypothesis, which is that this "E-H" antenna ain't gonna perform the same as a "full-size" antenna at design frequency (although there might be certain rare situations in which one would make a contact with it that wouldn't be made with the full-size dipole, such as when the dipole is really low and the "E-H" is really high, etc., but I'm only speculating).

Building one of these might be cool as a "fun" project; clearly it's no panacea among the various "stealth antenna" solutions.

Fun stuff. And reading the thread is amusement enough. Thanks to e-Ham Net for resurrecting this.

73,

Kevin WA7VTD
 
RE: The E-H Antenna Revisited  
by IZ2CED on August 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
So, it means that the coax is the resistive component, while the e-h antenna act as a L-C tuned network with low resistive component.
In this case, the coax dissipate as heat the 99% of the transmitted power? is it true?

73 iz2ced maurizio.
 
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