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Amateur Oxymorons
Alan Applegate (K0BG)
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November 14, 2006
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The term oxymoron is in itself, a contradiction of terms. As a literal Greek translation, it means sharp and dull. It's often applied to contradictory and/or redundant expressions. One of my favorites is crooked politician. Or how about clearly ambiguous?
Some oxymorons are verbose statements. Take this line from William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. Feather of lead, bright smoke, cold fire, sick health! Or how about made from natural synthetic fibers?
To be sure, some of the following words and phrases are more like pet peeves than oxymorons. A few of them came from friends. The remainder I've either heard on the air, or read within amateur-related literature. Some of them were from these very pages!
If you have a few of your own, or don't agree with my choices, feel free to comment. Careful though, some are loaded so to speak.
3s
59 plus 20.
73s
8s
88s
100% Average Power.
161
Accurate S-Meter.
AKTR.
Aligned Irregularities.
Amateur Ham.
Antenna Tuner.
Azimuth Elevation.
Bargain Coax.
Bench Mark.
Bright Shadow.
Chaotic Certainty.
Closed Repeater.
Cold Heat.
Colinear Array.
Common Anomaly.
Dummy Load.
Eyeball QSO.
First Harmonic.
Flat SWR.
Got the 2 by 2, and thanks for the new county.
Guy Wires.
Heat Sink.
HiFi ESSB.
High power QRP.
I can work any station I can hear.
I'm Destinated.
Linear Distortion.
Local DX.
Negative Modulation.
Ohm's Opinion.
On 17 meters, it out performs my G5RV.
Outside Enclosure.
Perfect Ground Plane.
PL259 coax connector.
Power Mod.
QRZ the frequency.
Radio Shack.
Reflected SWR.
Residence Dipole.
Roger, QSL.
Schematic Diagram.
Semi-duplex.
Square Quad.
Thermal Resistance.
Tidy Shack.
Universal Solvent.
Variable Roller Inductor.
Varying Modulation.
What's my report? One more time? Again please? Eh? Oh, thanks for the 59. Good luck in the contest.
Who's Eli the iceman?
Zero Resistance.
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by AG4DG on November 14, 2006
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The classic is: Any antenna is better than no antenna.
My experience: True, but a lousy antenna can be just barely better than no antenna at all. That said, I'm not sure why other people can operate with no problems with a dummy load, light bulb, or broken antenna while if one little thing is off in my setup, none of the other hams can copy me. I guess that makes me qualified for the Jessica Simpson Award.
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by KF6JZC on November 14, 2006
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Oxymorons are not contradictory and/or redundant expressions. They are only contradictory expressons or word parts. Pleonasms are redundant expressions or word parts. One example from the list that is a pleonasm is 'schematic diagram'.
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by WR8Y on November 14, 2006
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About the worst one is "73's"
That is the same as saying "Best Regards's".
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by W4LGH on November 14, 2006
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If I have said it once, I have said it a million times...
Water runs down Hill! People are a product of their environment, and the government and corporations we work for will NOT let us change or improve our environments. Everything in life will seek the path of least resistance as everything is relative. I have watched this my entire life, and try not to follow its example...however with all the rules and regulations, it is getting harder and harder. The BIGGEST oxymoron out there is: Politically Correct!
And this term my friends has been steering us for quite a few years now.
73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
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by KC4GS on November 14, 2006
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There is one, which not often heard, has been seen in use many times:
Repetitive redundancy
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by KC8VWM on November 14, 2006
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"Software defined radio"
(Can someone please define the term defined?)
"All band, All mode radio"
(Which obviously excludes 100's of amateur radio bands & operating modes.)
Ever wonder why some stations in Hawaii tell you their QTH is located near a local "interstate" highway?
Ever wonder why some people call it an "Female SO 239 connector" and a "Male PL 259 connector?"
Has anyone ever heard of a "Male SO 239" connector before?
"Intuitive Menu System" It's sooooo intuitive with only 625 operating functions, 4 sub categories and 12 sub menus! ...Piece of cake!
73 Charles - KC8VWM
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by N0AH on November 14, 2006
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Top Band-Gentleman's Band
This band has more whining on it than a 1950 ambulance-
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by KK4BH on November 14, 2006
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Over my 45 years of hamming I have heard and used many little sayings to either add some humor or make a QSO conversation different than "eyeball". While some of these may not fit the discription of "oxymorons", they do make the hobby's language unique. I don't feel these sayings are wrong or improper. Just say it the the way it sounds best to you. Anyway:
For being tired and going to bed, how about "modulating the pillow" or "heading to the snore shelf".
Signal strength, "you're bending the meter" or "comming in like a heard of turtles."
The name of the game, have fun.
73
Ken
KK4BH
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by N7EOJ on November 14, 2006
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"Ah kiss el" (QSL) at beginning of every transmission.
"Roger, Copy that, understood" at beginning of every transmission.
Identifying everyone that has been on frequency at beginning of every transmission.
Negative contact with ...
Negatory
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by W6TH on November 14, 2006
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That's a ten four good buddy, I roger that. Here's the numbers to ya, see ya on the flip side.
...............To be continued.................
.:
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by K0BG on November 14, 2006
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Mr. Mayberry, I bow to your view that they may not be Oxymorons, but Pleonasms. However...
Wikipedia says; An oxymoron (plural oxymora or, more commonly, oxymorons) (noun) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms.
Perhaps we're arguing semantics here, but the point is that usage seems to determine correctness, regardless of convention, or redundancy.
Alan, W4LGH, your are correct. We've gone way past the point of expediency in an effort not to offend anyone or anything. As a result (hoping not to offend Mr. Mayberry), our language is full of oxymorons, pleonasms, and right down slang. The King's English, it ain't!
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by N7EOJ on November 14, 2006
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Oahu Hawaii has H1, H2 & H3. All funded and part of the Federal Interstate system. When I lived there, H1 ran 4 lanes from downtown Honolulu through the sugar cane plantations and ended at Sen. Dole's mansion.
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by WI8W on November 14, 2006
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My favorite would be something like this...I hear it on 2 meters all the time.
This is WA8XXX...for ID!
What other use could you possibly have for your callsign?
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by W2LYS on November 14, 2006
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And do you know that if you look up the word redundant in the dictionary it says "see redundant"?
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by N0AH on November 14, 2006
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XYL said if I don't turn it right now, she is leaving for ever....over-
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by N0AH on November 14, 2006
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MY FAVORITE!!!!!!
Hey kids, Dad just got his 5BWAZ Award with 50 more zones to go!!
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by WT0A on November 14, 2006
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set of beams
tuning my antenna (tuner on desk, antenna 100 feet of coax away)
I have a 1:1 swr on this antenna with my tuner (see above)
endless loop
this antenna works really well on 160, my noise level is S2
59,thanks for the QSO
3s, Glen WT0A (for identification)
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by KB9TMP on November 14, 2006
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Since there are so many computers in our 'shacks' now I'll get to put in my personal favorite oxymoron.
WINDOWS MEMORY!
73 de KB9TMP
He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.
-Groucho Marx
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by W8AD on November 14, 2006
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Hi Alan,
Fun stuff. This opens up a whole new dimension called "Ham Speak", and "Ham Spell". One of my favorites in Ham Speak is "balum", instead of "balun" (BALanced to UNbalanced). A favorite in Ham Spell is "tranciever" or "transciever" instead of "transceiver".
Another is "diapole" instead of "dipole". One that I see a lot is "lightening" instead of "lightning". I even see that in commercial stuff. Of course, there's the old standby, "slopper" instead of "sloper". And, how about a "lode" instead of "load"?
Anyway, a fun posting Alan, thanks!
Don, W8AD
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by W9OY on November 14, 2006
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<Who's Eli the iceman?>
Wasn't he Ross Perot's running mate?
73 W9OY
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by K3GAU on November 14, 2006
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Sorry Alan but I am not quite on the same wavelength with you on some of those terms.
1. Bench Mark - how is that redundant or contradictory?
2. Colinear Array - a discriptive term to designate the relative orientation of the elements within an array. There are numberous ways to arrange the elements of an array like broadside, in a box, circle, etc.
3. Dummy Load - Technically, there is more than one kind of load to which a transmitter can be attached. A perfectly good working antenna is also a "load". Maybe "dummy" isn't a good discriptive word for what the load does with the power delivered to it by the transmitter but it has come to mean any absorption type load.
4. Heat sink_- According to my Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary a sink is:"a pool or pit for the deposit of waste or sewage :cesspool." The term then is very descriptive or what it is or does. It is a place to put excess heat. How is that redundant or contradictory?
5. Negative Modulation - From my days of AM broadcasting, we divided the modulation peaks into two kinds. There were positive peaks, ones which caused the carrier level (as seen on an oscilloscope) to increase in level and negative peaks which caused the carrier level to decrease in amplitude. With sine wave modulation they are usually equal but with voice the positive and negative peaks are not always equal. You did not want the negative peaks or "negative modulation" to more than just barely reduce the carrier level to zero or splatter would result. However the positive peaks or "positive modulation" could more than double the carrier level without causing splatter. Hense, negative modulation - a modulating signal which causes the level of the carrier to decrease.
6. Square Quad - We normally think of a "quad" as being square. However, quad only means having 4 of something.(usually sides) You can also have a diamond shaped (i.e. rhombic)or parallelogram shaped 4 sided object or antenna.
7. Thermal resistance - Going to the dictionary: resistance is an act or instance of resisting: opposition. The ability to resist, etc.
Therefore: thermal resistance is the ability to resist the flow of heat or cold. What is reduntant or contraditory about that?
In all fairness, you do have some good ones in your list. Isn't the English language fun?
73,
Dave K3GAU
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by KI0QM on November 14, 2006
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I think KF6JZC meant that things like "crooked politician", "PL259 coax connector", "guy wires" are not oxymorons because they are not contradictory but rather they are repetitive.
Things like "Common Anomaly" and "Local DX" are oxymorons.
Not picking on the list as it clearly isn't supposed to be ONLY oxymorons.
My favorites peeves are "destinated", 59 reports for poor signals, 59+(anything) and saying your call sooooooo fast that no one can understand it.
73 - KI0QM - Bob
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by KC8VWM on November 14, 2006
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The title, "Amateur Radio Lighthouse Society"
"Part 15 labels on Part 97 transcievers"
"Amateur Radio Organization"
"Original Replica Vintage Microphones."
Ebay, "Used Radio 4 Sale - Like New."
The statement, "We had a small crowd at this years Hamfest"
The term "Continous Wave" when refering to the idea of sending intermittent RF pulses during morse code transmissions.
"Slow Speed?" CW
The statement, "Good Grief, you sound horrible!"
or
The statement, "Your signal sounds awfully good tonight."
The term, "Exact" propogation "prediction" analysis.
Signals which travel a "Short Distance."
"Plastic glass" radio displays.
The term, "Radio Controlled Atomic Clock"
"Universal" plugs and adapters.
You are "Full Quieting" and yet I can still hear you speaking. :)
73
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by N8IK on November 14, 2006
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Didn't HPM's QSL cards have "73s" (plural) printed on them. If the Old Man used the term "73s" that's good enough for me. Let the flaming begin...
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NIC Card
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by W3TUA on November 14, 2006
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I love to hear someone refer to a computer networking card as a "NIC card". That translates to "Network Interface Card Card". ;-)
Others.....
Coherent CW (everything else is just incoherent)
High-Fidelity SSB (Squeeze 10KHz into 3KHz and you can't tell the difference in sound)
73,
Korey--W3TUA
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by WB5NPW on November 14, 2006
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hmm, my first post here:
SWR's ... Plural ... as in more than one ...
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by K8AG on November 14, 2006
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The classic is: Any antenna is better than no antenna.
Not necessarily true. I have spend countless hours of my life putzing with lousy antennas. Having a good one would have helped.
73, JP, K8AG
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by K0BG on November 14, 2006
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I tried to keep the list more or less related to amateur radio, but I just have to add a few that aren't.
HIV virus
Dim Wit
PCB board
A person I used to work with had a sign on his desk which read: Department of Redundancy Department.
I'm happy to see I'm not the only one who loves a little levity in their daily lives.
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by W0FM on November 14, 2006
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Popping up more and more in recents posts here:
"I've always wanted to get into ham". Or, "my uncle was involved in ham". (Makes you wonder how they feel about turkey or chicken.)
It's ham (or amateur) *RADIO* folks! Yes, it's still RADIO.
73,
Terry, WØFM
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by LNXAUTHOR on November 14, 2006
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if "Best 73's" was good enough for Hiram Percy Maxim, then it's good enough for me:
http://www.hamgallery.com/qsl/Antique/USA/Connecticut/1aw.htm
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by W5CPT on November 14, 2006
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I heard this more than once while selling towers.
"Does my tower need Guide Wires?".
Clint - W5CPT
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by VE6CNU on November 14, 2006
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My favorite is "most unique". If there's more than one, I don't really care how unique it is, cuz it ain't!
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by N6AJR on November 14, 2006
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Seen over the dorr to the coppier room..
Department of Redundency Department.
( after all a copy is a redundency, and this is a redundent statement, a double whammy..)
( after all a copy is a redundency, and this is a redundent statement, a double whammy..)
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by K8MHZ on November 14, 2006
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What kind of 73's are there beside the best ones?
So, if stuff is good enough for Maxim it's good enough for you? Really? What kind of radio do you use the most?
The only thing proven is that the improper use of 73 has been a part of amateur radio for a long time.
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by KC8VWM on November 14, 2006
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"Liquid Crystal Diplays"
Using "rubber cement" in homebrew projects.
Reporting a "still wind" on Skywarn WX nets.
"Quick fix" is neither quick and rarely results in anything actually fixed.
Satellites "moving" in a "stationary orbit"
Ham radio as a long standing "modern day tradition"
"Random Logic" circuits. ...Huh?
"This page left intentionally blank" in the back of radio user manuals, yet that very statement is intentionally taking up space there??
:)
73 Charles - KC8VWM
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by W7ETA on November 14, 2006
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Live Band
Morris code tapper
Balum, balanced to um?
Your signal is down in the mud (Somewhere near Muddy Waters?).
"WHOSE THE DX!!?"
This is my first antenna. It has 1:1.5 SWR, and works GREAT. I contacted 20 DX stations during the first month.
Do you accept green stamps in American Samoa? Does it take 1 or 2 green stamps for a return QSL.
Should I beam Long Path or Short Path to one of my antipodes?
What's your local GMT?
Affordable Health Care.
Someone is using CW in my phone band.
Someone is using SSB in my CW band.
Listening up 5-25.
English is the native language for America.
10 meter rig with a Roger-Beep
There's supposed to be an echoooo in the base part of my voice--I use a microphone equalizer for HI-Fi SSB
Bob
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by KI6LO on November 14, 2006
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Saw this once in an newspaper ad.
"Genuine Natural Naugahide Covered chair ...."
Now this implies that there is....
1) non-genuine natural naugahide existing...
Does that make it artifical natural naugahide? Does
the 'artifical' and 'natural' cancel one another
making this just plain ol' naugahide?
2) that non-natural naugahide is available somewhere
Is this considered artifical naugahide?
3) Exactly how many natural nauga's have to be skinned
to cover a chair?
Enquiring minds want to know!!!!! A mind is a terrible thing to waste, but in this case we'll make the exception!
Gene KI6LO
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by W9PMZ on November 14, 2006
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" Genuine Natural Naugahide Covered chair ...." "
Nauga's come from where else? Naugatuck Connecticut!
73,
Carl - W9PMZ
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by KC8VWM on November 14, 2006
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The term "positive circuit resistance."
"Fail safe" circuits that failed.
Ham radio projects that are "nearly complete."
"High speed" digital data transmissions on amateur radio frequencies.
The idea of analyzing "Past solar cycle activity to provide predictions for the future."
The term "normal deviation."
Using the terms, "less is more" and
"my worst favorite" when reading ham radio equipment reviews.
73
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by WI7B on November 14, 2006
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Dave K3GAU,
6. Square Quad - We normally think of a "quad" as being square. However, quad only means having 4 of something.(usually sides) You can also have a diamond shaped (i.e. rhombic)or parallelogram shaped 4 sided object or antenna.
In agreeing with you, I would add "Square Quad" is actually short for "Square Quadrangle". To say "Square" is sufficient to define a form of four equal sides and four equal angles. "Quad" or "Qaudrangle" only tells you you have four angles bounded by sides.
73,
---* Ken
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by WT0A on November 14, 2006
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Over=end of transmission, Out=this is my last transmission. Still redundant as OUT would suffice to convey both facts.
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by KE3HO on November 14, 2006
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Not ham radio related, but a local car auction company runs a radio ad that says that they sell "quality brand name cars". Darn, I was really in the market for a car that someone built in their back yard. Who wants a brand name car?
73 - Jim
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by W5JON on November 14, 2006
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And I thought that the "OXY-MORON" was the jerk that sells OXY-CLEAN on TV.
73,
John W5JON
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by G0GQK on November 14, 2006
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Icom made two tranceivers, the first was an IC 746,a few years later came an "improved" model, highly disputed of course, which was the IC 746 Pro. There are people who have the original model and they insist on calling it "the Non Pro" 746. Why?
G0GQK
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by AB2KT on November 14, 2006
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"Software defined radio"
(Can someone please define the term defined?)
This is not completely nonsensical. Many software radios are implemented using FPGAs, not DSPs or general purpose CPUs. In this case, "software definition" refers to the process of specifying and applying an FPGA configuration and not, strictly speaking, the logic that the FPGA will be executing once it's set up.
I agree it's a pretty silly expression. The companion term, "Cognitive Radio," isn't much better.
73
Frank
AB2KT
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by K4LIX on November 14, 2006
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One of the funniest ones I remember was back in the 70's on the Miami FM Repeater was a newbie to FM giving a signal report - "Full quieting, except for the noise".
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by KF6JZC on November 14, 2006
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I take no offense to anything said on this post. I think these post should always edify. My post was only my two cents worth. (and it was probably worth even less).
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by WY3X on November 14, 2006
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I like the guys who misspell and accidentally create an opposite meaning from what they intended. Example: I will except a money order.
My personal pet peeve is those who use "your" as a substitute for "you're".
Misuse of your:
Your going to the store.
Your not going to find a better radio.
Your going to like this coffee.
In each case above, the correct choice should
be YOU'RE. Think about it- if you can say YOU
ARE and it sounds right, then YOU'RE is correct,
and YOUR is not.
Correct usage:
You're going to like your shirt.
You're absolutely correct.
Your radio is yours, and you're on the right frequency.
I think this error begins with mispronunciation. Your sounds like "yore" and you're sounds like "yure".
73 all, -KR4WM
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by WA1KWA on November 14, 2006
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Somebody took destinated!
How about "Roger that" or "Copy that"? The 10-4 of our time.
We
We are running an Asteroid 10K.
We just came back from vacation.
Six two and even! Over and out!
Colin
WA1KWA
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by SWANMAN on November 14, 2006
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"Best of 73's"
"SWR's"
"Destinated"
"CW always gets through"
"Set of beams"
"Real hams use 80 meters"
"I need the software to program my radio"
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by KF0K on November 14, 2006
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WOW, there could be so many truly "moronic" statements dropped here! Now that your favorite pet could be trained to pass about any of the license class tests, the cbernetic sing-song "looks like we got ourselves a convoy" language is ever increasing in "frequency" on the bands. Although there are too many to list, "73rds" and "I'll be on the side" are pretty good ones to wrestle with. Another favorite is the "wxyz for ID" or "wxyz for identification purposes"...when you give your callsign, you just did ID!! Talk about the department of the redundency department (not responsible for spelling, tnx)!
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by KC8VWM on November 14, 2006
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Peope who insist on calling me "Roger" when my name is Charles.
73
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by W3LK on November 14, 2006
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People why don't know the difference between:
site
sight
cite
accept
except
advise
advice
steel
steal
break
brake
people who put apostrophies (I never can spell the darn thing!) before the "S" in the plural of words: antenna's, radio's, etc. It is only used when the word is posessive: the antenna's feedline.
73,
Lon - W3LK
Baltimore, Maryland
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by KC0YPV on November 14, 2006
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These two drive me absolutely batty.
she could of done it
(she could have done it)
for all intensive purposes
(for all intents and purposes)
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by AA4PB on November 14, 2006
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Red neck definition of an S-Meter.
My girl friend called and I'm going to meter at 20 past 9.
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by VE7LFN on November 14, 2006
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My favourite would have to be....
"CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQ,CQ,CQ, CQ,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX, CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQ,CQ,CQ, CQ,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX, CQDX,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,THIS IS ******, ******, ******, THIS IS ******, ******, ******, THIS IS ******, CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX, CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ, CQ,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX, CQDX,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ, THIS IS ******, ******, ******, THIS IS ******, ******, ******, THIS IS ****** " pause for 0.45 seconds and repeat
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by K0PD on November 14, 2006
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I can not think of any thing more agravating than .....ROGER ROGER.......
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by W1WMP on November 14, 2006
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OK, How about these;
"Running your amatuer radio in a professional manner".
"He's as sharp as a bowling ball."
"Messed up like a football bat"!
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by K4JC on November 14, 2006
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Ever heard this on your favorite repeater?
"This is W#xxx, in the mobile, heading down Main Street to go to the store to buy bread and milk, on this beautiful day. The sun is shining and the weatherman says we might get some rain later this week. The traffic isn't too bad today and hopefully I won't have a problem finding a parking space...yadda, yadda, yadda....Is anybody listening? This is W#xxx...OVER!"
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by AD5TD on November 14, 2006
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<<<My favourite would have to be....
"CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQ,CQ,CQ, CQ,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX, CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQ,CQ,CQ, CQ,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX, CQDX,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,THIS IS ******, ******, ******, THIS IS ******, ******, ******, THIS IS ******, CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX, CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ, CQ,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX,CQDX, CQDX,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ,CQ, THIS IS ******, ******, ******, THIS IS ******, ******, ******, THIS IS ****** " pause for 0.45 seconds and repeat>>>
Brother did you hit the nail squarely on the head!
Change that to "CQ Contest" and you have mine.
I listened to a guy in South America last week doing that. He must have yawned because I finally had a chance to tell him to "give it a rest so the 5 guys trying to contact you can be heard!"
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by NU4G on November 14, 2006
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My favorites --
"I copy you 5 by 5, five-five, fifty-five"
and guys that end a transmission with "over-over"
Tom NU4G
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by K4JF on November 14, 2006
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"I hear this one from time to time...
" QRZ the repeater..."
Yup. "Who is calling the repeater?" Makes no sense.
Another irritation is someone saying "QRZ" when nobody, but nobody is calling them!
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by K7FD on November 14, 2006
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not sending 'de' between calls
not sending 'k' at the end of the transmission
sending periods at end of sentences
purposely sending extra dits when sending 6
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by KB3LSR on November 14, 2006
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Automatic CW machine
just sit back and let your rig do all the fun sending for you
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by KC8VWM on November 14, 2006
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Sharp SWR "curve"?
Quiet "noise" floor?
Negative "gain"?
Simple "procedure"?
Steel "wool"?
Practice "test"?
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by K4JF on November 14, 2006
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How about those people who don't know the difference between "your" and "you're"? I've even seen it in ad copy and store signs!
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by KB1NTS on November 14, 2006
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How about the power ratings used to rate transceivers and amplifiers.
"Peek envelope Power"
If an amp is rated at 1300w pep. I've figured this to mean that if a stick of dynamite goes off in your shack the needle might bounce off the 1300w mark. Save that happening the average is more like 500w!!
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by N3KQX on November 14, 2006
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KI6LO: I've seen drawings of Nagas. They look like seat cushions.
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by W8WZ on November 14, 2006
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"heard during FIeld Day...
UR 599 599 QTH ES RPT AGN? "
In fairness, just because a signal is loud doesn't make it easy to copy. I have given 599 reports, but still needed the op to QRS or just plain send better in order for me to copy their transmission.
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by KA8OCN on November 14, 2006
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I dont understand what you are talking about here, I always know what I am saying even if its spelled wrong!
This is why I use PSK31 or RTTY, when I spell something wrong hopefully they just think it was the band.
73'sssssssssssssssssssssss
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by G3LBS on November 14, 2006
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Definitions from an Old Country ham -
The expression 'Old Man' in England is used by
so-called aristocrats to address people of even tender years. On the other hand, Prince Charles would use it even to address Queen Camilla. (That has cured my temporary homesickness, though I must continue to pay taxes to them both)
The expression 'I am very pleased with it' is a veiled hint that my antenna is an unmitigated disaster, in performance, danger, appearance and family irradiation.
The expression 'G-Whiz' originated when the wind caught an English ham's antenna.
Buffalo Gil W2/G3LBS
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by W4MY on November 15, 2006
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"KI4DUM for ID"
(Appologies to the real KI4DUM)
Marty / W4MY
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by G3LBS on November 15, 2006
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So that the contributors stick to the point, here is a definition of Oxymoron -
An Oxymoron is a contest operator who behaved in such a moronic way that oxygen had to be administered.
For example, if the operator, after the contest, says
'I went with UHF', it means that he should not have entered the contest because he had diarrhea.
Buffalo Gil
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by KG4HZT on November 15, 2006
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Not hard to see why a newcomer to the hobby may be too intimidated to open his mouth on the air for fear he may commit some grave and unforgivable grammatical error that may offend some of the "professional amateurs" out there.
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by K4JSR on November 15, 2006
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Alan;
Only a Prebyterian ham can be "pre-destinated"!!
I am now going back to my rocking chair on the front porch of the world famous Forget-Me-Not Rest QTH.
73'ssssssssssssss
Cal K4JSR
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by K4JSR on November 15, 2006
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Alan;
Only a Prebyterian ham can be "pre-destinated"!!
I am now going back to my rocking chair on the front porch of the world famous Forget-Me-Not Rest QTH.
73'ssssssssssssss
Cal K4JSR
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by W1WMP on November 15, 2006
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IMHO This is the big kahuna of all oxymorons.
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you!"
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by WA1SCI on November 15, 2006
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I believe the reason for much of this misuse of language is that while there are many people who care about the proper use of grammar, spelling, and the correct meaning of words, there are also many people who simply do not care. The latter refuse to take the time to learn the correct definitions, spelling, and grammar, and mangle words and phrases wherever they go.
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by K4JF on November 15, 2006
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"KI6LO: I've seen drawings of Nagas. They look like seat cushions. "
Naugas? (As in "naugahyde"?) They were advertising gimmicks from the 60s. I had a couple of them from years ago. Sold them on eBay for well over a hundred bucks each! (Bought more ham gear with it!!)
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by KC8VWM on November 15, 2006
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The latter refuse to take the time to learn the correct definitions, spelling, and grammar, and mangle words and phrases wherever they go.
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I am surprised to see such errors appearing on $100,000 TV commercials, people's business cards, newsprint and even legal documents.
I just chalk it up as a reflection of an individual's inability to appropriately articulate and convey themselves in a manner consistent with the English literary arts.
A person could quite literally drive themselves to their peak limits focusing, obsessing and constantly striving to correct the entire human race over such matters.
Welcome to the street where the spelling is bad and the people are real.
Incidentally, it's not necessary to place a comma after the word, "spelling."
Best Regards's
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by KD5PSH on November 15, 2006
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There are a few that always annoy me:
First is "eyeball". is that hillbilly speak? Disgusting
Second is "best of 73's" Well, here's the worst 73 to you.
Finally, "73's and God Bless" I do wish that folks living in the world of let's pretend would keep their worship of supernatural creatures to themselves. I find it an insult to everyone's intelligence and incredibly arrogant.
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by WA2JJH on November 15, 2006
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Rig spec......200W PEP. Who cares, it is a 100W out radio!
.18uv sensitivity. Yes to signal.noise, and Mosfet preamp picking up CPU RFI! An old rig with .5uv sens, works just as well!
Mil spec. like construction. Does it meet mil spec or not!
Used, but in mint condition
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by N1XBP on November 15, 2006
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I'd joing the chorus on how some of those examples aren't oxymorons but I think it's been covered.
What I'd like to know is:
When did some amateurs start insisting on calling themselves "we" when they are obviously refering to themselves in the singular first person?
What's up with "Roger Roger"? Did you guys not get enough time playing walkie-talkie as a kid? "Roger that" is just as bad. Would you ever Roger something else? (please no comment from the non-American English speaking hams on that one ;-) )
At what point does my fiance switch from YL to XYL? And how come you never hear YM?
How is it possible to have more than one QTH, especially if one of them is your "Home QTH"? Why use Q prosigns on voice modes at all?
Are you Marine Mobile or Maritime Mobile? (I doubt the latter)
Why use Q prosigns on voice modes at all? In most cases it takes longer to say. If you are going to do that, why not use morse notation completly?
Am I the only one that thinks of F-A-B and the Thunderbirds when I hear F-B?
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by W4KTX on November 15, 2006
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Getting a 59 in a content when you had to repeat your call sign 15 times to be understood
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by K3UD on November 15, 2006
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You're 2X2 2X2 - twenty two twenty two - Rifle Shot Rifle Shot.
Heard on EchoLink (quite a few times)... you have a great signal here on my computer... how many watts are you running?
I'm pulling the big switch (I kinda like it though)
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by G3LBS on November 15, 2006
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The adoption of 'we' is again a relic of the 'Old Country', so I rush to elucidate -
It is the Royal 'We' adopted by The Queen, as you will hear if you go to see the film.
This usage of the Royal We implies that radio hams are a superior race, as evidenced by the oxymoronic phrase 'We have a Novice Licence here OM', 'Novice Licence' of course also being oxymoronic.
Buffalo Gil
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by N7EOJ on November 15, 2006
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KC8VWM wrote:
<snip>
Ebay, "Used Radio 4 Sale - Like New."
This is a current eBay listing:
"In original box, like new (used very little by first owner/never installed by second owner), <snip> Includes installation hardware still sealed in package, instruction manual and schematic."
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by KD4SIY on November 15, 2006
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Catch you on down the log
See you down the log
Catch you on down the coax
Thanks for riding with me. (Did I have an out of body experience and not realize it???)
Under the weather. (Doesn't it rain on all of us at one time or another? I've never heard of anyone living above the clouds.)
I've got you full scale over here (when going through the local repeater)
I'll be on the 146.xx repeater on the minus side
If you call someone twice on the repeater and they don't answer, odds are they aren't going to if you call them 10 more times in the next five minutes.
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by AE6QF on November 15, 2006
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N1XBP. Yeh, I have oftentimes wondered about our unusual use of the word 'we'. Maybe the editorial we, along the lines of 'me & my rig'?
My favorite non-ham oxymoron? _Military Intelligence_
73, Quiet-Finger, AE6QF
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by G8KHS on November 15, 2006
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The word 'Homebase' is rather tedious when the operator should be using the term 'Fixed Station'. I have been told that it's phrase used on cb radio. It should go back to citizens band then, where it belongs.
'The working conditions here are...' being used to describe the operators radio equipment is crazy, why not say 'I am using...'.
'We would be running here 100watts' is is just dumb, what the heck is this royal 'we' business?
Finally, why do some amateurs in the uk refer to an Antenna Mast as a MASK? Please would someone tell me!
I have a comical image visualized of a yagi perched on the top of a 60ft Halloween mask.
I find though that operating procedure is still good in spite of these stupid words and phrases.
73 to all,
John G8KHS
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by W4LGH on November 15, 2006
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How about the ones who end every thing with "There"
Or is it Their? Or maybe "They're" Whats wrong with "Here" or is that "Hear"?
My SWR's are perfect, but I am still not getting out. A dummy Load has perfect SWR, Getting out, on the town, of the house?
Hang on, I am rotating the house in your direction. I guess the next step is to rotate the world?
Oh well...we could rant and rave over this stuff all day...but its really off the intended subject.
Have fun, play radio, make lots of CONTACTS!..Remember Ham Radio really is a CONTACT Sport!
73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
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by W3LK on November 15, 2006
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I can not think of any thing more agravating than .....ROGER ROGER.......
How about OVER, OVER?
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by W8IDB on November 15, 2006
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How about the guy who posts a question and then says "Thanks in advance."
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by WA2JJH on November 15, 2006
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You make a phone call and get the wrong number.
The person says....You got the wrong number!
I say....NO, I do not have the wrong number... IT IS YOU got the wrong phone!!!!
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by KE4ZHN on November 15, 2006
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One of my favorites..."fine buisness old man". Its illegal to do buisness on amateur radio and Im not an old man....yet! lol Another annoying one...hi hi on phone.
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by G3LBS on November 15, 2006
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A ham said 'I hope you have a Happy Holidays'.
I said 'You can't say that - Holidays is plural'.
He said 'You're a queer one and no mistake'.
Later he said his SWR was nearly zero.
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by N7EOJ on November 15, 2006
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Identifying with phonetics on a repeater.
Identifying with cutsy made-up phonetics.
"I'll be down on the side..." Of what?
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by KY6R on November 15, 2006
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Extra Lite (of course mispelled to show the IQ of the poster(s))
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by WT0A on November 15, 2006
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Actually I like to hear (here?) callsigns in phonetics, whatever voice mode. Not everyones hearing is perfect and even FM can have noise.
WT0A
We're Talking Zero Assets
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by KI4BDS on November 15, 2006
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"CQ 80 meters", I want one of those radios so I can talk all frequencies on 80 or 40.
In theory, there is no difference betweeen theory and practice, in practice there is. "Yogi Berra"
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by W9ZXT on November 15, 2006
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Lets have fun with this hobby. Nice article. Brought back some neat memories. The best thing on the air to me is a person with respect for other people on the air. It sure would be nice to see it off the air here on these posts also. If you think about it, it's the only thing that matters, and is the base that will make this hobby continue and grow or continue and not grow. Respect! Either you have it or you don't! 73s and 88s, see you in a short.
Nick
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by WW0H on November 15, 2006
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N1XPB said: Are you Marine Mobile or Maritime Mobile? (I doubt the latter)
As I understand it, marine says that you are on the water, while maritime means you are not just on the water, but in international waters.
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by W6EM on November 15, 2006
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Best oxymoron of all: HAM SEXY
Even beats military intelligence.
One exception: Patti Loveless, KD4WUJ.
Lee
W6EM/4
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by N4KH on November 15, 2006
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I always found it somewhat contradictory when guys would have WAS printed on the front of their QSL card (for Worked All States award), but then write-in the total number of states they had actually managed to work so far. Such as "WAS-42".
Oh wait.....come to think of it, I did that too for a while as a novice. I never did get around to filling out that application for WAS.
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by W0PEA on November 15, 2006
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The classic oxymoron in amateur radio is:
"Gentleman's Agreement"
I have never been able to figure out who are the "Gentlemen"
Don Thomas WØPEA
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by K4JF on November 15, 2006
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""Gentleman's Agreement"
I have never been able to figure out who are the "Gentlemen"
Don Thomas WØPEA"
Once upon a time, Don, all hams were (except the YLs, of course).
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by NS6Y_ on November 15, 2006
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What's wrong with Heat Sink? What's it supposed to be called, a Heat? A Sink?
Maybe what he means is it's supposed to be one word, Heatsink.
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by K4JF on November 15, 2006
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"'Novice Licence' of course also being oxymoronic."
Nothing oxymoronic about it. It is the entry-level license. There is no contradiction there, unless "general license" is also.
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by K4JF on November 15, 2006
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"At what point does my fiance switch from YL to XYL?"
At the wedding. :o)
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by K4JF on November 15, 2006
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"Over=end of transmission, Out=this is my last transmission. Still redundant as OUT would suffice to convey both facts"
Nope.
"Out" says I'm not going to transmit any more. I'm through, don't expect to hear anymore from me.
"Over" really means "over to you", and I'll transmit again when you are through.
Quite different, and yes, "over and out" is ridiculous as they are contradictory.
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by K8MHZ on November 15, 2006
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"Wrong Dole. Senator Dole is a midwestern farm boy."
According to my QSL card from KC0ENB, the Russell High School radio club, Russell, Kansas was Senator Dole's 'boyhood home'.
The card even has Senator Dole's picture on it.
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by VE6KK on November 15, 2006
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Totally agree with K4GAU.
True oxymoron seen in a B&K sig. gen. manual:
CW MODULATION
P.S. Typed here in Microsft Works :)
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by OK1RR on November 16, 2006
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I am probably stupid because I don't understand why should be "161" an oxymoron. As a FOC member I'm using it sometimes. I'm pretty sure that it means 73 + 88 and the reason for 161 is to add 88 to obvious 73 for the (X)YL. It is a long tradition in FOC where ladies taking part on most social activities of the club. The meaning of 73 is very different from the meaning of 88. So why is 161 an oxymoron? Anybody can explain it?
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by KE3HO on November 16, 2006
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<<< "Negative contact". What?! >>>
I think that is when you hear a guy calling CQ, you answer him and screw up his callsign, he calls you a lid and turns the VFO. That is a negative contact.
73 - Jim
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by VE6CNU on November 16, 2006
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Surprised nobody pointed out another favorite oxymoron: NOS
I had to look this one up a while back, after seeing it so often: NOS = "New Old Stock"
Shouldn't there be ONS? This is the stuff that goes on sale after Christmas.
Which would you rather buy?
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by WW0H on November 16, 2006
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Not only is Russel, Ks Senator Dole's boyhood home, he still lives there, at least part of the time.
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by W6EM on November 16, 2006
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NOS any day. Usually no more than 10% of what it used to cost and usually better quality.
ONS, well, 40% or 50% off of inflated, poorly-made seasonal stuff is, well, self-explanatory.
I just bought some 5A DPDT latching relays for $6.50 each (to make a remote antenna switcher) that are sold new for $48.50 each. That's an NOS deal....
73,
Lee
W6EM/4
BTW, my old hometown was home to former Chief Justice Earl Warren and football star/TV announcer Frank Gifford. Should their old high school radio club ever want its callsign back, I'll be glad to oblige.....
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by KD5PSH on November 16, 2006
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QUOTING: "The meaning of 73 is very different from the meaning of 88. So why is 161 an oxymoron? Anybody can explain it?"
Yes, because it's a stupid idea and should stay with the CB originators.
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by KC8VWM on November 16, 2006
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True oxymoron seen in a B&K sig. gen. manual:
CW MODULATION
P.S. Typed here in Microsft Works :)
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Microsoft never works.
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by KB3LSR on November 16, 2006
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Gently used radio gear = pretty well beat up
untested, sold as-is, when last used worked fine = POS, don't waste your money
only used once = used so much, it's nearly worn out
New used surplus
modified CB (after it's modified, it becomes a ham radio, capable of illegal CB operation)
reasonable shipping (applicable to e-bay transactions) = Pay more on shipping than the item itself
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by KC8VWM on November 16, 2006
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"Gently used" radio gear = Dragged behind a car on a 500 mile strip of asphalt after the gear drowned in sewage during a levy break caused by a category 5 Hurricane.
But hey, look on the bright side... At least the gear was in a non smoking enviroment!
I know :) ..., I'm just nitpicking a very minor detail here and everything.
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by KT6K on November 16, 2006
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These threads brings ‘agree to disagree’ and ‘full-time hobby’ to mind.
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by KD5PSH on November 16, 2006
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I quote the one above: "At what point does my fiance switch from YL to XYL?"
Answer: About 19 guys before she found you.
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by W4XKE on November 16, 2006
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An oxymoron (plural oxymora or, more commonly, oxymorons) (noun) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms. (example)
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Honest Lawyer or "Your Honor"
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Truthful Evangelist or "Gospel Preacher"
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I don't know why but it really bugs me when somebody spells TUNER "tunner" or YAESU "Yeasu." Actually, Yaesu spelled anyway doesn't mean anything so we could actually spell it backwards I suppose.
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by N4QA on November 16, 2006
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Pactor III - a narrow-bandwidth mode...
And, so it is... but only above 50.1 MHz!
AH hahahahahahahaha!
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by AI4IT on November 16, 2006
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"My tower 'partially collapsed'.........huh? Totally destroyed? NN4P
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by WA2JJH on November 16, 2006
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YAUSU pronounced---YAZZHOOO OR, YEAZZSU, YHAZEZOO, YAAZ-SOO, YEAST-SOUP, YEAHZ-WHO.
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by W5HTW on November 16, 2006
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"Reality TV" is the most obvious oxymoron in use in the world today.
First personal.
Got a room full of ya
You're all over my wires
Second personal
"thar." (As in, "I'm on the air thar, and I copy you thar, and that thar antenna thar is working thar, and I can hear you thar, over them thar air waves thar.")
Third personal
ANY personal.
ALL personals.
"You copy, QSL?"
"QSL I copy, QSL?"
"Yeah, QSL, I got a copy on ya, QSL?"
"Yeah, ten four... uh, no, I mean QSL, I QSL that you got a copy on me, QSL?"
"Yeah, QSL, got anything else to talk about besides QSL?"
"QSL, I just wanna be sure (thar) that it's QSL, QSL?"
Last personal.
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by W4MEC on November 16, 2006
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One of the funnier strings of comments. My favorite teeth grinder....somebody who sends CQ on CW umpteen times, ID's once and ends with KN.
Charlie
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by WA2JJH on November 16, 2006
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Yup N0EE, you got by subtle pharmopharm drug.
Rush was addicted to time releasesd OXYCODONE.(oxycontin). Addicting as morphine.
There is also OXYMORPHONE(not to be confused with an OXYMORONE) OXYMORPHONE is an oxygenated ketone of morphine.
I is a BIO-MEDICAL enginner, some of us invent these drugs.
This way the drug companies can charge megabucks for stuff that is not any better than generic morphine for pain.
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by WA2JJH on November 16, 2006
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DX QSO....I will Qsl via "the" burrow. Is not a burro a donkey? They also never say which one. Do not hold your breath waiting for that card!
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by KC7QDO on November 16, 2006
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First off what does Nitrous Oxide (NOS) have to do with anything in ham radio?
But it is true with the contesting thing you are 5/9 and what was your call. At least I know my call for this is KC7QDO for id part. That one is a fun joke with some of the local hams on VHF with solid copy. Which in itself with fade between two fixed stations is not correct.
It is just like everything else in the ham radio it is a community type environment and the terms that were used in proper context not that long ago is being changed into slang like the regular English language.
In time the terms in different areas are going to mean different things but that is the heck of it though. It just proves ham is not dead just evolving along with the newer technology that was not available not that long ago.
FYI (Food For Thought) I have more than one qth. I have the home qth and then the work qth. And I make the distinction between the two. That is how someone has more than one qth. But I am guilty of only being at one qth at a time or in transit.
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by N5RLR on November 17, 2006
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Alan, K0BG: "If you have [oxymorons] of your own, or don't agree with my choices, feel free to comment. Careful though, some are loaded so to speak."
EMCOMM.
Loaded, all right. But forum decorum precludes me from saying with what.
:D
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by AE6IP on November 17, 2006
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My all time favorite, at least in amateur radio:
small expense
;)
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by K4JF on November 17, 2006
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What about the guy who comes on a quiet repeater and says "K1xxx listening!"?
No, he's not, he is talking. :o)
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by KC6KIM on November 17, 2006
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kc6kim "for ID"
Sounds like friday, Wait a minute... Today is FRIDAY! I`m kc6kim friday ( say it fast!!)
Anthony
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by KD5PSH on November 17, 2006
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I have to admit; it's been fun seeing how many guys have a gripe or six.
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by N7EOJ on November 17, 2006
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Land line
Double L
Twisted pair
I've started listening to our local 2M channels again, just to get more jargon to add to this list...
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by K4JF on November 17, 2006
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Nothing wrong with "twisted pair". That's exactly how your conventional telephone "landline" comes to your house.
:o)
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by OK1RR on November 17, 2006
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KD5PSH: To "161" - do you know what FOC means? Are you sure they have something to do with CB? Did you hear something about G5RV, KV4AA, W4KFC? They were FOC members, they also used 161 on regular basis...
I polite ask you to check 'what's behind' before you write something nasty.
Regards,
Martin, OK1RR
(one of CB-like users of 161)
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161 again
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by OK1RR on November 17, 2006
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My apologies. I became just informed that the "161" started on US side of the pond with Citizens Band operators in the late 70s.
I don't know anything of CB across the pond, also here. I was living in the conviction that '161' belongs to the First Class C.W. Operators' Club (FOC), founded 1938.
BTW the eHam founder, the late Bill Fisher (W4AN) was also a member of FOC and used 161 if worked another member.
Let me hope that '161' will be explained to avoid such misunderstandings.
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by K6LCS on November 17, 2006
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How about, "I'll be clear on your final..."
No, you ignoramus. You cannot clear in the future. That's against FCC rules. You clear NOW, then I'll clear.
And WHEN did people start reciting all the callsigns of everyone they're speaking with? And signing off with multiple signs?
"This is K1ABC clearing with K1CDE..."
It's a simple, "K6LCS, clear." Period. Do NOT recite everyone else's callsign. You don't need to. It is not a requirement. It is obnoxious. And arrogant.
And the infamous, "This is K1ABC for ID." No duh. That's like stating in a social setting, "My name is Clint, Clint."
Clint Bradford, K6LCS for ID
Destinated in Mira Loma at my home QTH
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by KC8VWM on November 17, 2006
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K6LCS this is KC8VWM in the group Hihi and Fine Business, alright, with that said - I guess I will pass it over to K6LCS from KC8VWM. This is KC8VWM in the group for ID and I'll be clear on your final, KC8VWM. - Beeep
Ok very good KC8VWM, This is K6LCS in the group with KC8VWM hihi and Fine Business and with that said I will wish you 73's and 88's. This is Kilowatt Six Lima Charlie Sierra in the group on the machine and we be clear. - beep
:)
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"(Callsign) for I.D."
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by K7LA on November 17, 2006
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Heard on the air......
"(Callsign) for I.D."
Why ELSE would you give a callsign?
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by BHARDIMON on November 17, 2006
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Overuse of Exclamation marks. For whatever the reason, Hams seem to love the exclamation. Must be some little radio geek thing.
"and the feedline impedance was 700 OHMS !!!!"
anytime I read something like this, I think "SHUTUP, YOU STUPID OUTDATED NERD !!!!"
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by KB3LSR on November 17, 2006
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This is Kegger Beer 3 Liquor Swig Rum for ID (I just thought of this non-phonetic way of saying my name)
On a repeater, if you just say your callsign, KB3LSR, how will they know if it's for ID? It could be you are ending a call.
blah blah blah KB3LSR. .-.-.
or it could be blah blah blah (10 minutes) KB3LSR blah blah blah KB3LSR. .-.-.
I see nothing wrong with the "for ID" part on there when saying your ID.
another oxymoron though: a spendhappy ham, LoL that'll be the day when we see that
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by K4JF on November 17, 2006
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And WHEN did people start reciting all the callsigns of everyone they're speaking with? And signing off with multiple signs?
"This is K1ABC clearing with K1CDE..."
It's a simple, "K6LCS, clear." Period. Do NOT recite everyone else's callsign. You don't need to. It is not a requirement. It is obnoxious. And arrogant. "
That was once required. And there is a proposal before the FCC (open for comments now) to make that the law again! If you oppose it (like I do), then get in your comments.
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by WA2JJH on November 17, 2006
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A "coded tech". The FCC states no codng, cipherng,scrambling, or special signaling can be used by hams.
So a coded tech is a oxymoron by proxy!
1) your either a TECH, NCT(no code tech) or a tech plus.
Just more of my "buck 380"(2 cents) of pseudu-intellectual trailor park white trash litter-ature
lattice lettuce vomitus maximus!
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by N6PEH on November 17, 2006
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About the worst one is "73's"
That is the same as saying "Best Regards's".
I often hear ops send 73 twice. I believe 73s to be a very warm farewell and only cw ops understand that.
But I don't get why it is considered an oxymoron.
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by N2CYY on November 17, 2006
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I hear way too many hams say they are "destinated" when they arrive at their destination ...... "destinated" is just a terrible abuse of the English language .........
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by KC8VWM on November 17, 2006
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I'm destinated? Only on ham radio would you hear such a thing.
What the heck is "destinated" supposed to mean?
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by WA2JJH on November 18, 2006
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You have met your destiny. Hopefully it is where you wanted to go in your mobile. Your telling the gang on the repeater.....Say good by. Then you most likely will turn off the rig. Unless you want to hear the others talking ill of you.
However, if it is a gang banger drive-by.....You are destinated to die or spend many weeks in I.C.U.
I guess you could use it, if your having a myocardial
infarction. Your Buddies better get to you within 2 minutes if your breathing has stopped. Milage will vary with age and ambiant temp.
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by WA2JJH on November 18, 2006
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Destinated----A contraction of words or phrase.
1)you have reached where you wanted to go....destination.
2)After signing off, your transmissions are TERMINATED!
So....there you have it.
Reached your destination and terminating transmission. DEST-TERMINATED!
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by KE3HO on November 18, 2006
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<< FYI (Food For Thought) I have more than one qth. >>
No you don't. You have one QTH and it is wherever you happen to be at the moment.
<< I have the home qth and then the work qth. >>
There is no such thing as a "home qth" or a "work qth". However, if you happen to be at home at this very moment you could say "My qth is at home."
This incorrect use of QTH is being used more and more. That doesn't make it correct.
73 - Jim
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by KC6KIM on November 18, 2006
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Ken,
I heard this one on 147.195 last week! Seventy thirds... sounds like 70 _ _ _ _ _ (hint, birds do it)
c u later
Anthonator!!
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by WR8D on November 19, 2006
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I've heard this one from the new chickenband extra here locally on my two meter repeaters. They'll give their call and say they are QRT and STANDING BYE. One working through a bunch of linked repeaters to a ham a few hundred miles away actually kicked on his two meter amp and ask the other ham at the end of the chain how many s-units did his sig come up. " hi hi hi ". Sorry, i forgot i'm not supposed to write that cw stuff here. A BIG OLE FANTASTIC HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL. WR8D
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by WR8D on November 19, 2006
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Ref KG4RUL: I certainly did. I was mobile on two meters here locally and worked a guy in England via an echolink "link". We had one repeater of mine linked into one of theirs in England. He was certainly Dx as was i to them. Get over it, as a linking tool it's just fantastic. 73 John
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by G3LBS on November 19, 2006
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'Pirate' - a new un-equipped, un-licensed, jealous, mean wanabee sailing on the high seas, who is intent on stealing a rig from an un-watchful 'maritime mobile station'.
'Maritime mobile station' - a train-halt of such low density that it will sustain flooding.
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by KB2VUQ on November 19, 2006
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After not receiving a reply on a repeater...
the classic "nothing heard" comment, followed by the callsign. Duh!
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by WA5MKA on November 20, 2006
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<KE4ZHN on November 15, 2006 said,
"One of my favorites..."fine buisness old man". Its illegal to do buisness on amateur radio and Im not an old man....yet! lol Another annoying one...hi hi on phone.">
I've always understood that, "Fine Business, Old Man" was one of the traditional phrases in ham radio ! "Old Man" is a complement to any male Ham Radio Operator, no matter how old they are !
Also, I would rather someone say "Roger" to something I ask them on a noisy freq., than to say "Yes" or "QSL", because I can hear & understand "Roger" or even "Roger,Roger" better thru the QSB, QRM, or QRN on SSB !
Also, I see nothing wrong with "Over,Over" when the signals are weak. After all not everyone has "beams" "and/or" "runs" 1500 watts !
"Hi,Hi" "LOL"
My $.02 Worth,
George---W7KCU,ex: WA5MKA
P.S. It seems to me some of the guys posting on here are trying to eliminate some of the traditional things said for years in Ham Radio QSO's !
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by G3LBS on November 20, 2006
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There's no hidden agenda here to get rid of tradition - it's healthy to laugh at ourselves. It's a pity politicians and rival religion-followers can't do it.
Gil
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by K1CJS on November 20, 2006
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Hmmm, destinated? Sounds like it could be something like constipated. Such as you got to your destination but are stuck in your car!
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by K4JF on November 20, 2006
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"Its illegal to do buisness on amateur radio and Im not an old man....yet! lol "
ALL male hams are OMs. Are you saying you're not a male, or not a ham?
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by K4JF on November 20, 2006
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"Roger" is the phonetic phone equivalent of "R" on CW. Which means "received" or "I received your transmission.". Nothing wrong with it, as it is just good amateur practice to let the other station know you received everything. And to double it when conditions are bad is no problem either.
Don't criticize good habits, please.
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by AD5TD on November 20, 2006
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Courteous Contester. After the ARRL SS this weekend. OMG what a mess.
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by AD9DX on November 21, 2006
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"Great subject, and also highly entertaining too!"
Originally posted by WB5NPW: "hmm, my first post here:
SWR's ... Plural ... as in more than one ..."
Now wait a minute, what's wrong with asking, "How my SWR's hittin' you?
...and last night was rather nice, She and I experienced simultaneous pleonasms.
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by KE5ETK on November 21, 2006
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I only have to add "card" to nic when i'm talking with someone sufficiently old enough to not grasp what nic means and i want to leave them feeling insufficient
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by K4JF on November 21, 2006
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"I only have to add "card" to nic when i'm talking with someone sufficiently old enough to not grasp what nic means and i want to leave them feeling insufficient"
OK, I'm old enough but definitely not insufficient. What the -bleep- is a "cardnic"?
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by KI4GCX on November 21, 2006
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I know we all hold our hobby in high esteem but has anyone considered that we are "professional amateurs"? which are we? professionals or amateurs... strange huh.
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by K4JF on November 21, 2006
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I googled NIC. "National Institute of Corrections". What does that have to do with a "card'? No logic here......
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by K4JF on November 21, 2006
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"The future of CW."
?? Don't get the connection with NIC. But it is interesting to see people calling themselves ham radio operators with no interest in RADIO.
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by G3LBS on November 22, 2006
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'Linear Amplifier' -
This is a non-linear device which should faithfully reproduce and amplify any distorted signal fed to it by its rocky exciter.
Though nominally in Class AB2, its bias may drift so that it degenerates to Class C, where its flywheel effect on these distortions is greater than that provided by the flywheel in your Silverado.
Its purpose is to subjugate so-called 'neighbors', until these long-suffering people appreciate that your programs are better than cable, in providing beautiful and exquisite patterns, and the dulcet notes that only come from single sideband.
Should it not do so, the remedy is to connect more of them in series (amplifiers, not neighbors) on a long linear bench, hence the name 'linear'.
Gil
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by N9IJ on November 22, 2006
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Actually, this is a rehash of my pet peeve....modern society's compulsion to demand I speak as THEY think I should.
Many of these terms were a part of "being" a ham (oops, radio frequency technology hobbiest) in years past (almost said past history). As a teen (post-pubescence, pre-adult humanoid)I was proud to understand and be a part of that world.
I particularly resent being told by a "newbie" that a term I've carried from those times is bad. It is not bad, you simply cannot appreciate the "ham" society of yore.
73's / 88's, I'm destinated...... live with it!
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by W6DLF on November 22, 2006
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...he added pleonastically, "I'm now fully destinated, bring on the turkey!"
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by WA2JJH on November 22, 2006
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Here is a real turkey of a oxymoron...
People that call themselfs PROFESSIONAL AMATEUR HAM RADIO OPERATORS.
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by G3LBS on November 22, 2006
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Please note I like to carry on this folk-lore, as you will hear if you 'work' me (opposite of 'work' me is 'bore' me).
As a naive honored English guest in your wonderful country, may I ask your advice?
I worked a ham yesterday and he said, "My Junior Op is 'running barefoot' 'pedestrian mobile', but I have an 'extra license'".
Should I send the poor kid some Hush Puppies and ask his Dad if he would like to make a few bucks selling me his surplus license?
W2/G3LBS
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by K4JF on November 23, 2006
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"Roger, and please repeat your call and my signal report"...
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by WA2JJH on November 23, 2006
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<<<<<<My Junior Op is 'running barefoot' 'pedestrian mobile', but I have an 'extra license'".>>>>>>>
That certainly is oxymoronic. Come to think of it,
"Extra" is not a good name for the highest class of ham lics. Advanced sounds like a higher grade than Extra. Extra could be interpreted as an endorsemsent.
Like Radar endorsment on the commercial FCC exams.
A pedestrian mobile is an H-T. Even running around bare footed with an H-T would be a strange sighting.
Junior op?....does that make the father the X.O. or
captain?
Yup, sounds like you heard a real group of "space cadets".
Used to be a ham 30 years ago that would transmit on HF. CQ,CQ,CQ...no lids,no kids, no space cadets.
If you were not an adult with a tubed rig, that O.M did not want to talk to you.
I guess the O.M. you heard felt that an extra ticket allowed family members to operate with no ticket.
So you did work a LID, a kid, and a space cadet all at once!
I would also send him a pair of size 12 EE shoes.
He could use them to kick himself in the butt!
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by W9UCR on November 24, 2006
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I was looking out my window yesterday watching 4 guys leaning on their shovels and a guy with a white shirt and tie with clipboard sipping coffee. The sign on one of the trucks read "Public Works."
Jumbo shrimp?
73
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by KE4ZHN on November 24, 2006
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K4JF Fine buisness OM....Hi Hi...it was just a joke OM lighten up. :-)
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by KE4ZHN on November 24, 2006
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WA5MKA Whos trying to eliminate or change any traditons? I posted my comment tongue in cheek and you and another poster get your panties in a wad. Geeez, get a sense of humor.... Hi Hi
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by BHARDIMON on November 24, 2006
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I have counted a total of 60 exclamation marks in this thread. Overuse of the !! is a weenie geek thing for sure.
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by K4JF on November 24, 2006
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"K4JF Fine buisness OM....Hi Hi...it was just a joke OM lighten up. :-) "
If I lighten up any more I'll fall off the chair! (one exclamation point is valid) Didn't you see the humor in that?
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by K4JF on November 25, 2006
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"At least no one has posted in all caps. "
True. Good. But there are a few who tend to shout when they say "ham". :o)
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by KN4LF on November 25, 2006
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We are seeing "unusual fading", the band must be shifting!
160 meters the "Gentleman's Band", populated by many "professional amateurs", generally made up of "communicators with no social skills"."
73,
Thomas Giella, KN4LF
http://www.kn4lf.com
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by G3LBS on November 25, 2006
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I would like to clarify that if a ham suddenly says he 'will see you further down the log', that you should be warned to picture the scene that he is in a tall tree erecting an antenna, and you are unfortunately watching him from below.
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by K4JF on November 25, 2006
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"'will see you further down the log'"
No, that would be further down the written log. Not a tree log.
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by K4JF on November 25, 2006
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Here are some nonsensical phrases (not true oxymorons): "General lite", "Extra lite", etc.
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by N2PZ on November 26, 2006
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Since communicating online does not allow for voice inflection, I don't see what the big deal is with resorting to exclamation points for emphasis,passion, inflection and a basic sense of HUMOR! If use of them qualifies one as a "weenie-geek", how should we classify one who actually takes the time to count them??? (Dare is say OCD?) This is not top-shelf literature here, it's just a place to share information and get a few chuckles. Basically, it's entertainment, so lighten up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by W6IEZKEN on November 26, 2006
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I always thought a "Beverage Antenna" was an oxymoron.How can a beverage radiate?
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by WA8MEA on November 26, 2006
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Ever wonder why some people call it a "Female SO 239 connector" and a "Male PL 259 connector?"
Has anyone ever heard of a "Male SO 239" connector before?
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This reminds me of the only time I ever ran into the LAMBDA Net on the air. 20 meters, in fact. And I just couldn't resist:
I checked in and told them I had a technical problem and needed help from the net. When it came my turn at bat, I told them I was trying to connect two PL-259's together, and just wasn't having any luck....and did they have any advice....
Needless to say, I was greeted with a "smart a**" or two and other assorted barbs.
But the chuckles far outweighed the barbs....
73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
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by WB2GMK on November 26, 2006
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This is a great thread. I love words. The best oxymoron mentioned here is "tidy shack". Has anyone ever seen one? I once got mine extremely tidy, because a priest was coming over to talk to his missionaries in Mexico via my station. That was the only time. Otherwise, its a mess. XYL agrees.73
Greg WB2GMK
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by K4WYS on November 27, 2006
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Here is a phase that applies to many disscussions on antennas & VSWR. "PRECISE INACCURACY"!
Any statement or reading beyond one decimal point!
K4WYS
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by WA8MEA on November 27, 2006
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Rush Limbaugh!
(Oooops. I'm sorry. I thought you said "Oxycontin".....)
Dittos....
Mr. Bill - WA8MEA
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by KG6QKJ on November 27, 2006
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All this does is prove that the majority of new hams are not being mentored properly.
Grab yourself a new licensee from your local club and be his pal.
BTW, where did the term "Elmer" come form?
Marty
KG6QKJ
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by KD5NOI on November 28, 2006
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"Mobile Station"
dosen't the word "Station" imply that one is stationary.
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by 2ARADIO on November 29, 2006
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Grates on my nerves every time I hear "HI HI" used on voice. It's a CW connotation of humor! On voice, it's either funny or it isn't!!! Chuckle if you want to. But lose the "HI HI". Just another one of those "ham'isms" that I'm always embarrassed for a non-ham to hear coming off the air...
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by K4JF on November 29, 2006
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"I always thought a "Beverage Antenna" was an oxymoron.How can a beverage radiate?"
Me, too, until I learned it was not "beverage" (a drink), but "Beverage" (after the surname of the inventor.)
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by W7LV on November 29, 2006
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A few Blasts from the Past (hardly heard, outside of extended care facilities) and a couple of contemporary conversational toe-poppers:
"Modulated milk bottle" (TV set)
"Headed for the sand box." (The bathroom, and why would I care, unless you're my cat?)
"American Modulation." Perhaps FM is Foreign Modulation? Does Fessenden's work count here? (Oh, Reginald, we hardly knew ye...)
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Contemporary Runner-Up is: "tarmac" (relating to an un-specified partof the aerodrome which is neither Terminal, nor Parking Lot nor Runway).
What ever happened to, "the Ramp?"
Do Delta, American, BA, QANTAS, Cathay Pacific, Continental, et al, employ, "Tarmac Agents?"
Now how do I describe asphaltic concrete paving on a roadway? Am I back to "macadam?"
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MY CURRENT NON-HAM FAVORITE, found in print, on the tube and, possibly, in the finer Drawing Rooms of Fitchburg, MA drips from the lips of the Intelligentsia (or, Opinion-Makers, as they characterize themselves):
"...BEGS THE QUESTION..."
No, dullard. "Begging the Question" is a specific logical fallacy and an erroneous debate ploy, relegated to the same place as ad hominem arguments.
ASKS a question, or ELICITS a question...perhaps. Even REQUIRES AN ANSWER.
A whole shoal of pundits, broadasters, talking heads, politicians and, for all I know, Three Card Monte dealers, hairdressers and Rodeo Clowns need to read Irvin Copi's INTRODUCTION TO LOGIC, as was required of sooooo many us in kollege during the 60's.
Still have my copy. You can borrow it, if you need to.
I also have a dog-eared copy of Strunk and White (ELEMENTS OF STYLE). There would be some major league yocks in trolling this book around the newsroom at your local TV station.
Extra points if you throw it at the (always illiterate) Chyron Operator.
Guess they didn't teach this in J-school at Columbia, or Yale, or U Mo, eh? Golly, gee, I learnt it at Florida (prior to a couple of seasons in the SE Asian Conference).
Juan would think that, for $5,000,000 plus per year, that these people could Get It Right...
NOTE TO BRITS: Wipe that smug grin from your collective mugs, because Presenters on the BBC, ITV and B Sky B make this same error regularly, too.
Further affiant ranteth not...
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by K4JF on November 30, 2006
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As for non-ham, I really hate to be told "xxx will be with you momentarily". No, thank you, I want him/her to talk to me for MORE than one minute, and I would like to know when as they didn't say.
"Momentarily" meand "FOR a minute" (or short period of time), not "IN a minute".
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by K7CSM on November 30, 2006
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HI HI (verbally on SSB) Makes no sense. Why not just give a decent chuckle or a good laugh? Makes more sense. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah and what all to everyone. Enjoy the season with your loved ones and pray for our soldiers everywhere who can't be with their families.
CSM(ret) Tom Detchemendy
Command Sergeant Major (retired)
Once a soldier, Always a soldier
K7CSM - The Lead Sled Dog
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by K7CSM on November 30, 2006
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Fits into the same category as the HI HI one I posted. OK on CW but not on SSB.
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by 2ARADIO on December 1, 2006
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Said to a weak station working thru a repeater, and barely getting into it: "Somethin' wrong with yer modulation, cuz yer peggin' the S-meter on my rig..." Come on guys... learn how a repeater works - you're not hearing that station direct!
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