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FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License Classes:

from W1AW Bulletin via the ARRL on December 16, 2006
Website: http://www.arrl.org/
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FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License Classes:

ZCZC AG30
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 30 ARLB030
>From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT December 16, 2006
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB030
ARLB030 FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License Classes

In an historic move, the FCC has acted to drop the Morse code requirement for all Amateur Radio license classes. The Commission today adopted a Report and Order (R&O) in WT Docket 05-235. In a break from typical practice, the FCC only issued a public notice at or about the close of business and not the actual Report and Order, so some details -- including the effective date of the R&O -- remain uncertain. The public notice is located at, http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-269012A1.pdf.

Also today, the FCC also adopted an Order on Reconsideration, in WT Docket 04-140 -- the "omnibus" proceeding -- agreeing to modify the Amateur Radio rules in response to an ARRL request to accommodate automatically controlled narrowband digital stations on 80 meters in the wake of rule changes that became effective today at 12:01 AM Eastern Time. The Commission said it will carve out the 3585 to 3600 kHz frequency segment for such operations. Prior to the long-awaited action on the Morse code issue, Amateur Radio applicants for General and higher class licenses had to pass a 5 WPM Morse code test to operate on HF. The Commission said today's R&O eliminates that requirement for General and Amateur Extra applicants.

"This change eliminates an unnecessary regulatory burden that may discourage current Amateur Radio operators from advancing their skills and participating more fully in the benefits of Amateur Radio," the FCC said. The ARRL had asked the FCC to retain the 5 WPM for Amateur Extra class applicants only. The FCC proposed earlier to drop the requirement across the board, however, and it held to that decision in today's R&O.

Perhaps more important, the FCC's action in WT Docket 05-235 appears to put all Technician licensees on an equal footing: Once the R&O goes into effect, holders of Technician class licenses will have equivalent HF privileges, whether or not they've passed the 5 WPM Element 1 Morse examination. The FCC said the R&O in the Morse code docket would eliminate a disparity in the operating privileges for the Technician and Technician Plus class licensees. Technician licensees without Element 1 credit (ie, Tech Plus licensees) currently have operating privileges on all amateur frequencies above 30 MHz.

"With today's elimination of the Morse code exam requirements, the FCC concluded that the disparity between the operating privileges of Technician Class licensees and Technician Plus Class licensees should not be retained," the FCC said in its public notice. "Therefore, the FCC, in today's action, afforded Technician and Technician Plus licensees identical operating privileges."

The wholesale elimination of a Morse code requirement for all license classes ends a longstanding national and international regulatory tradition in the requirements to gain access to Amateur Radio frequencies below 30 MHz. The first no-code license in the US was the Technician ticket, instituted in 1991. The question of whether or not to drop the Morse requirement altogether has been the subject of often-heated debate over the past several years, but the handwriting has been on the wall. A number of countries, including Canada, no longer require applicants for an Amateur Radio license to pass a Morse code test to gain HF operating privileges. The list has been increasing regularly.

The FCC said today's R&O in WT Docket 05-235 comports with revisions to the international Radio Regulations resulting from the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) World Radiocommunication Conference 2003 (WRC-03). At that gathering, delegates agreed to authorize each country to determine whether or not to require that applicants demonstrate Morse code proficiency in order to qualify for an Amateur Radio license with privileges on frequencies below 30 MHz.

Typically, the effective date of an FCC Order is 30 days after it appears in the Federal Register. That would mean the Morse requirement and the revised 80-meter segment for automatically controlled digital stations would likely not go into effect until late January 2007.

The ARRL will provide any additional information on these important Part 97 rule revisions as it becomes available.
NNNN
/EX

Source: W1AW Bulletin via the ARRL.

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FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KE7HLR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well, we all knew this was coming, but so quickly on the heels of the "omnibus" R&O is quite a surprise.

As a relatively new ham, I had to pass the 5 wpm exam for my General. But I'm glad I upgraded when I did, instead of waiting for the CW requirement to be dropped, because I have something that none of the new folks will have, and I'm pretty proud of that.

Long live CW!

73 de Dan, KE7HLR
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by NS6Y_ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have been back and forth on this a lot, personally. I think some people are just going to use code - it appeals to them. And some would just learn the code well enough to pass their test and then forget it. Thus, removing the code requirement should have little effect on the number of hams using code right?

Well, I thought that way but.....

How many would use code if they never had any real exposure to it? If they never had to get over the hump of using it at a basic proficiency level like they've had to up until now?

Young people are entering this hobby, sure, but a huge portion of newcomers to ham radio seem to be retiring Boomers who suddenly have a lot of free time, but not the mental flexibility of a 13-year-old. Not for learning code anyway. If significant numbers of these no-code, especially older, beginners take up code I will be very impressed.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W5RB on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well , like it or not , it is now reality .Who gets to decide whether the newcomers will be surprisingly well-informed and welcome additions ? YOU do .There's about to be a sizable wave of new licensees .Grab one of 'em and Elmer him 'til he's the best he can be .Better yet , recruit one you think will be better than average .This can be the long vaunted "death of ham radio " if you insist , but it can be a real bonanza if we manage it right .And everybody that WANTS to use the code , still can ;-)

 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KC0VCU on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Perhaps this will actually be good for CW?

Up till the order is in effect, the primary reason someone seeks to learn any code has been to gain access to the HF bands. From now on, it will be because there is some basic interest in using code to actually communicate using CW.

There were requirements that people pass various speed tests for different license classes in the past, and the current requirement is 5 wpm for General and Extra. Do you know a lot of operators using CW that can only send at 5 wpm? Or would you agree that if someone has been using CW on the air for more than a year or so they have worked their speed up to 15 or 20 wpm?

Is it a given? Nope, but I do think it is a reasonable outcome. I suspect that the amateurs that will put the most effort into building up their code abilities and speed will be contesters who are looking to make lots of contacts, at double the points of their phone only peers. I am not saying that this is a great thing, but also a possible outcome.

I don't think code is dead by any means, and this is certainly not the death knell of Amateur radio. My opinion of course. No Code Tech, who as he tests up now will be considered a No Code General or No Code Extra, by some people. As little Code as I know now, I don't expect to be able to pass a 5 wpm test in the next month.

73,

-Rusty - kc0vcu
 
WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING REQUIR  
by K4UUG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
1. I am not opposed to CW operation. But CW is just another mode and should not be afforded any special priority over others. It is available to those who wish to use it. CW proficiency should not be
required for those who do not wish to use the mode.

2. Manual CW communications has been superceded by more modern,reliable, accurate, faster and efficient means of communication.

3. Requiring manual CW proficiency is not compatible with the radio amateur's mandated objective of contributing to the advancement of
the radio art.

4. No evidence exists that CW proficiency is an indicator of a desirable, motivated or better qualified operator.

5. The CW requirement serves as an advancement barrier to many otherwise qualified individuals.

6. The value of CW communications in the Amateur Service is primarily recreational in nature and manual telegraphy proficiency
should no longer be a compulsory licensing requirement for any classof Amateur Radio license.

7. The most challenging problem is our attitude towards newcomers and our focus on the mode of CW as the defining characteristic of Amateur Radio. If you do not operate the mode CW, or if you are not
proficient with the CW mode, then you are not a real ham radio operator. This is our most challenging problem our attitude towards change. If we can overcome this hurdle, promoting Amateur Radio for
the future is the easy part. (ARRL Past President, Rod Stafford,W6ROD, wrote of similar issues - I encourage you to read it.)

8. I do not have good ideas on how to change the mode attitudes. I wish I did because I believe the CW mode attitude is the Achilles Heel of the Amateur Radio Hobby. Changing our attitude towards change and new comers is a key part of growing Amateur radio in the
future.

9. The U.S. Government is in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act by not elimating a test which is no longer required
under International treaty, and which discriminates against those with certain disabilities. Learning CW with Disabilities such as Adult attention deficit disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder,
just to name a few is imposable. Many of these individuals have often developed low self-esteem and negative perceptions of themselves as a result of cumulative academic, social, and vocational failures. Many have been labeled as "having a bad attitude," "a slow learner," "lacking, motivation", "immature," "lazy," "slacker," "spacey," or "self-centered." Rather than viewing their difficulties as the result of an inherited or acquired neurobiological disorder, many have come to
accept the unsubstantiated belief that they themselves are to blame for their problems.

10. Today Amateur Radio has long standing image problem with our youth and many Amateur Radio Operators contribute to that image. Because many amateur radio operators are all too often
hypersensitive, rude, assume the worst in people, rarely give people the benefit of the doubt, Because of their arrogant, haughty behaviors and attitudes they display in public our youth view of
Amateur Radio Operators as a bunch of brass pounding crusty ill-tempered orange vested fat old men who have poor personal hygiene and are big cheap skates.Been to a Ham Fest?

TO YOU PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE THE CHANGE THE FCC HAS MADE GO POUND BRASS!WE WON
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by AB2SW on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
As soon as I saw the band expansion on 80/75 I knew that they were making room for some reason and somebody. I just didn't think the FCC order would be announced the same day as the start of the new band expansion on 80m! I believe alot of good Tech's will be moving up and will be a good addition to the hobby. As far as new hams coming off the streets, I don't think they'll be as many. Setting up a station is an expense and putting up a half way decent antenna does take some knowledge. So if they go to all of the trouble of doing that maybe they'll be a fine ham.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K4UUG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Today's R&O will eliminate that cw requirement all around.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K4UUG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AB2SW said "So if they go to all of the trouble of doing that maybe they'll be a fine ham."

No evidence exists that CW proficiency is an indicator of a desirable, motivated or better qualified operator.In fact if you look at the fines the fcc issues to amateurs you will note the Majority were the general advanced extra class operators.Very few were new to the amateur hobby.


 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KQ6XA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Morse is History
 
New question to debate!!!  
by NA6Z on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Now we can move on from debating whether or not Morse Code testing should and will be dropped.

Here is the new debate question: Will it really attract new hams, or just mean a lot of paper upgrades and HF radio business?


 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by N8RGQ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is a great day for Ham Radio ! It took over 40 years to get here but we all are winners for it ! I to think there will be alot more CW on the air now . Techs will want to get on the low bands and have fun with it instead of being beaten over the head about it . The carrot works alot beter then the stick ! Merry Christmas to all !
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W1YW on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hurray for the FCC!


Huzzah!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N9XY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Good. Now hopefully this marks the end of the devisive code/no-code flame wars on this website.

73
Michael
N9XY
XTRA LITE
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N0BOF on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
If human nature is any indication, now that we "can't have it", we'll all want it.

Disclaimer: This is tongue in cheek, I am a 20 wpm extra class license holder. I could care less about the CW requirement. I just want the hobby to grow and improve. Merry Christmas and 73
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by NT7S on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
@K4UUG

I like how you rail against stereotyping people in point 9, then proceed to do exactly what you are complaining about in point 10.

"Today Amateur Radio has long standing image problem with our youth and many Amateur Radio Operators contribute to that image. Because many amateur radio operators are all too often
hypersensitive, rude, assume the worst in people, rarely give people the benefit of the doubt, Because of their arrogant, haughty behaviors and attitudes they display in public our youth view of
Amateur Radio Operators as a bunch of brass pounding crusty ill-tempered orange vested fat old men who have poor personal hygiene and are big cheap skates.Been to a Ham Fest?"

Perhaps this is true of the SSB crowd on 75 meters, but almost every CW op I have worked has been a model of politeness and patience.

"TO YOU PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE THE CHANGE THE FCC HAS MADE GO POUND BRASS!WE WON"

Arrogant, in-your-face statements such as these don't help to convince me that you are right. It comes off as childish gloating.
 
Now Morse Code is just a mode, not a god.  
by AI2IA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I think that this is a great decision by the FCC. Why? Because there is more freedom now. All license holders now have the freedom to use Morse Code or not to use Morse Code.
To operate responsibly all operators need to know the theory, the rules and regulations, and basic operating procedures. The written tests take care of this.
If you love Morse Code, set it free. If it is good, it will continue to be used (and it will). Let freedom ring!
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by QSYING on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K4UUG:

<<Because of their arrogant, haughty behaviors and attitudes they display in public our youth view of
Amateur Radio Operators as a bunch of brass pounding crusty ill-tempered orange vested fat old men who have poor personal hygiene and are big cheap skates.Been to a Ham Fest?>>

NT7S:

<<Arrogant, in-your-face statements such as these don't help to convince me that you are right. It comes off as childish gloating>>

This illiterate posting, which can be found over and over in these forums, has no place here and helps lay waste the usefulness of eHam.net. It certainly speaks for itself.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KA4AZY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hmmm.... Ok - let's hope - then - that when new folks get their way into the HF bands and quickly see that most anyone can key a mike and shout "CQ, etc..." (that's right - I said it - so there) they'll quickly realize they want more.

They'll hear CW being used, do some reading, talking with other friends and become intrigued with this 'CW' that requires alittle work - in exchange for the ability become part of that 'cw' they are hearing.

[ I guess enough whining pressure can get anything done - LOL -- Now I'll run for a really deep hole - :) ]

Take care all - and - MERRY CHRISTMAS
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W1YW on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
You don't have to be genius to see the huge expansion of some phone bands would be the benefit of dropping Morse from licensing.

The timing was hardly accidental.

The FCC is very astute and wise!
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur  
by KE5JDJ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
As someone who just passed my Tech and General tests...I was lamenting having to dedicate the time necessary to learn CW. Spending 10+ hours a day away at work, raising 3 children, time away from home working....it was just a sacrifice I did not want to endure because I did not want to learn a m(c)ode.

To celebrate this new found freedom, I will donate at least the amount I would have spent on CW learning materials and equipment to the :

A_R_R_L...S_P_E_C_T_R_U_M...D_E_F_E_N_S_E...F_U_N_D

I encourage all who benefit from no code to donate to the Spectrum Defense Fund in the amount saved by no code. Actions speak louder than dits and dahs.

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WY3X on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well, the whiners and the "gimme mine for free I don't want to earn it" crowd finally got their wish. This should be considered a hollow victory for them. The flood gates of hell are now open. -KR4WM
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KB3OAH on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have had an interest in Ham Radio since the late 50's but code has been a problem. For some reason the “heard patterns” do not translate quickly enough for me to copy code. I am again working to see if I can learn the code. I think it is great that they dropped the code test so I can take my time getting the code down while still enjoying the other aspects of Ham Radio. Code is a message type like SSB or SCTV not an end in itself. I don’t hold it against all the folks that never endured military boot camp or served on active duty, so why should anyone look down on me as a ham because I am still struggling with code.
73
KB3OAH
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K2PI on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I suspect it won't end here, and the no-code zealots will now want to eliminate every last trace of CW from Amateur Radio. Get ready for a big push for a return to "plain language" vice CQ, QRZ, QSO, etc. We will be told that this is because it's a "barrier and confuses potential hams". One only need to look at the posts by the anti-CW hams to realize that most are not just opposed to CW as a testing requirement, but the idea of any esoteric standard for entry into the hobby. The use of such vernacular will be seen as "not inclusive" enough, and onward we will march. Contests using CW exclusively will come next, and all CW contests will convert to "mixed-mode", which will make non-contesters even more thrilled for those special weekends.

I've a good 35 years left in me. I hope I'm not alone on the CW Sub-bands at the end.

73,

K2PI

20-WPM FCC tested, and still darn proud of the accomplishment.

 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W4KPA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC has made it very clear all along that they intended to drop morse code as a license requirement. Certainly they telegraphed it (pun intended) very strongly with the recent R&O, so this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

It's high time this happened. Bring on the new HF operators. Bring them by the truckload. Bring them today.
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by K4RAF on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Perhaps this is true of the SSB crowd on 75 meters, but almost every CW op I have worked has been a model of politeness and patience."

How loud does your stereo typer play? As a 75M operator, I find your comment both ignorant & aloof.

How can you actually tell ANYTHING about a person sitting behind a key? The "model" is in your mind, literally...

If anything, at least we can see all those character flaws on phone, no matter what band...

Typical elitist: check mate!
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KO4XJ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Many of these individuals have often developed low self-esteem and negative perceptions of themselves as a result of cumulative academic, social, and vocational failures. Many have been labeled as "having a bad attitude," "a slow learner," "lacking, motivation", "immature," "lazy," "slacker," "spacey," or "self-centered." Rather than viewing their difficulties as the result of an inherited or acquired neurobiological disorder, many have come to
accept the unsubstantiated belief that they themselves are to blame for their problems"

SO THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN WRONG WITH THE MAJORITY OF AMERICA'S YOUTH....they've been required to learn CW!!

Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS
KO4XJ
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K7FD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"No evidence exists that CW proficiency is an indicator of a desirable, motivated or better qualified operator.In fact if you look at the fines the fcc issues to amateurs you will note the Majority were the general advanced extra class operators.Very few were new to the amateur hobby."

No evidence exists that memorizing test answers indicates a better op, either. So while we're at it, why not drop all the requirements? Afterall, studying is hard and most of us just don't have the time to devote to it. We're probably keeping a lot of good people out of the hobby be having any exams! Don't you agree?

73 John K7FD
 
You're 1/3 correct, Bonnie !  
by N4QA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KQ6XA said:
"Morse is History "

Merry Christmas!

Bill, N4QA
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KE4FBP on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I've been a no-code tech for about seven years or so.

My motivation to enter the Amateur Radio Service was and is to increase the contribution I can make to community service. Frankly, the code test has been a barrier to expanding my ability to communicate.

With the emergence of PSK31 and other digital modes it seems to me that rational arguments for maintaining a CW requirement for entrance to HF bands becasue CW provides the ultimate "get through the noise with little power and smallest bandwidth" mode have been largely supplanted by advances in the radio art. I believe the FCC has done a good thing.

However when I aquire an HF rig I will be treading very cautiously into HF communications. I want to learn good operating procedures and habits. At first I will be listening more than anything else. After all, Amateur does not mean the same thing as unprofessional, it means uncompensated in our context.

While many, if not most, Amateur operators view their service as a hobby, we must remember that we all are the Amateur Radio SERVICE. One of the many weaknesses in federal and state civil defense planning is reliance on infrastructure dependant communications. The infrastructure may not be functioning when we need it most. The Amateur Radio Service needs to be expanded. In many areas the Amateur Radio Service is the only significant infrastructure independant communication capability with reserve capacity.

Every school and church with a kitchen and large multipurpose room is a potential emergency shelter. Should not every school and church have an Amateur Club Station, or at least a small room where in an emergency a Ham can set up and operate? There are many communities and agencies that we can serve as we learn the art of communicating.

I hope, as I continue in the Amateur Radio Service, to learn CW as one of many modes of communication. But, if I do not, I believe I can still make a contribution to the community.

Respectfully
COL R. Longmire - KE4FBP
Division General Staff
Virginia Defense Force
Dept. of Military Affairs
Commonwealth of Virginia

PS for those resident in Virginia and interested in serving please see www.virginiadefenseforce.org
 
History?  
by K7FD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Morse is History "

That's strange. I hear some on 40 meters right now. Guess not everybody got the word...
 
RE: History?  
by W5CPT on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
To K4UUG and all with that attitude:

You may hold a licence issued by the FCC to operate on the Amateur Bands, but you will never be a HAM.....


Clint - W5CPT
 
RE: History?  
by KI4OYV on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
After reading the "NOTICE" from the FCC, I noticed that NO WHERE does it say you CAN'T learn or use Morse code (CW)any longer. You can still learn AND use CW if you so desire. That up to you. There was a e-mail sent out from a member of my local club that was almost like an obituary. I think the member was actually in tears over this. Give it up folks, its not the end of the world. The FCC wont come knocking at your door and put you in jail for the rest of you life.

My 2c worth.
Art W.
KI4OYV

PS
As a fairly new Tech (MAY 06) I wanted to take the CW portion and earn my PLUS endorsement, but time wasn't there and I didn't. I will as I get more free time.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WR8D on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Ref KR4WM: Amen, my personal experiance in just the past five years here locally has been terrible. One in ten is the ratio i've seen coming into the hobby that wants to become a real ham. Here the rest are nothing but stupid, arrogant, freebanding cbers. From what i've seen coming into our hobby i've had to withdraw from being a Ve. I dropped out of the arrl program many years ago and now the w5yi also. I respect our rules, and honor each license class and want no part in loosing utter idiots to our hf bands. "Honestly", it's as bad here as i paint the picture. The older hams here actually got cussed out when attempting to elmer these types. I've bitched here now for several years about this and some have attempted to actually talk down to me calling me narrow minded and an old fart extra. I actually get satisfaction now in the fact you'll all get a taste of the good ole boys. Some of the smarter ones that could pass the 5wpm a few years back now even have their own VE team. All their good ole buddies will now have an easier time getting to the hf bands. Thank God i can work cw and not have to listen to and see it happening to the rest of you like it did here. People just about anywhere in the world are much smarter than us Americians. It never hurt a thing for them to dumb down the requirements for an amateur license. We will now become the "comic relief" to the world. A few as i say will become good hams, but like i've seen here in Wv and East Ky...the proof is in the pud'n. You'll all get a taste of what i've been bitching about for the last few years now. My other wish is when it hits many of you in the face to only remember me and my rants on this subject. You'll certainly feel as i did and wish we'd left it all alone like it was. 73 JB WR8D
 
RE: History?  
by G6HVY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The original reason for CW being mandatory was that it was the primary mode for communication in commercial and military use. An amateur simply had to be able to understand a message from another station advising of interference or other undesirable operation, in the same way that drivers have to pass an examination showing they understand the rules of the road, signage and so on.

Those days have gone. That aspect of CW _is_ history, and that's not a matter of opinion.

CW is a splendid mode, and has a very great deal to commend it. There's no need to rehash those arguments. It deserves to be used and enjoyed for as long as amateur radio survives. But mandating it is no longer supportable.

Those who view CW as something uniquely worthwhile and worth defending have plenty of ways to promote that view: good operating, encouragement to those who want to learn, and good grace to all. Demonstrating by example what it's all about is far better than relying on legal dictat.

R
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N4NYY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is a great day for ham radio. When I was a kid (I am 39), my friends and I were all interested in CB and walkie talkies. We were fascinated with them. If one of our friends' fathers had a CB, we would always want to talk on it, or watch him talk on it. Today, I have a Grant LT CB and an Icom 746 in my shack. I have about 10 nieces and nephews of all ages. When they come over, NONE of them are even remotely interested in my radios. They have their text messengers, cell phones, video games, etc. They don't care. This will at the very least open it up to some youth. None of these kids were going to learn code. They don't want to.

The biggest reasons I hear to keep code were:

1. It keeps the CBers out. Really? What's to stop the Cbers from going on the HF bands now, if they really wanted to? If they wanted to go on there and raie hell, wouldn't they have done it already? Are you telling me they they break all the rules on the CB band, and then they obey the "license" requirement that HF requires? Yeah right. You should never have a requirement to to filter or keep people out. You should have a requirement to make people learn. Code was not teaching anyone anything. If they want to learn radio theory or antenna theory, they don't need code. What code did was keep aspiring hams like me, out of the HF bands longer than they should have.

2. The other reason I here frequently is, I passed 18 words or I passed 13 words per minute, why should they get same privileges with less? Well, too bad. Times change.

73's
 
RE: History?  
by ZAXXON2000 on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
You guys crack me up. What if we all had a real topic to fight about? Keep keying and I'll keep listening.
I got my first field day in this year. You CW masters are truly cool. Show us pups what you can do. It truly is inspiring- but not for everyone.
MERRY CHRISTMAS to you all!!!!!!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WU1T on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is great, and long overdue. I know that a lot of guys are bitter about this, but CW will live on and I think at the end of the day, everyone will be quite happy.

I laugh at the self-righteous rants sprinkled with spelling and grammatical errors about how "lazy" Americans are, and how the bands will be flooded with "lids".

The paranoid and condescending attitudes on display during any discussion of CW testing is singularly more damaging to ham radio than even the easiest multiple choice test will be.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by WA8VBX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It's done and over with and it was only a matter of time. I wish they would at least kept the code requirements for the Extra class.
CW will still be around and there will be newcomers to the hobby or even some old one that will pick it up.
Time to drop the code/no-code debate and make the best of it.
Kurt
K8YZK
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB3LSR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I knew it was comming soon. How did I know? Because I finally passed the Morse Code test and my Element 3 back in November. Well, at least I can say I did it the hard way and didn't take the easy way out. Now I think I'll use CW (even though I didn't really like it at first) just because I worked so hard to learn it. Oh wait, we just had our CW privileges diminished. Well, looks like an upgrade to Extra is in order (hopefully in a few months anyways).


73 de KB3LSR
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by W5TD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
To K4UUG:

"9. The U.S. Government is in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act by not elimating a test which is no longer required
under International treaty, and which discriminates against those with certain disabilities. "

This is a hobby. I don't think that hobbies are covered under the American with Disabilities act.

"Learning CW with Disabilities such as Adult attention deficit disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, just to name a few is imposable."

Really, show me one empirical research article to suppport this claim. If this is true, how do these individuals learn the amount of material necessary to pass the written test.

73s John W5TD


 
RE: History?  
by K2LES on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Huzzah... it's about f---ing time.

Dit dot DIE!! Good riddance CW.

The downside is that the cost of HF gear will skyrocket on eBay and at the Crapfests.
 
RE: History?  
by KV4N on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
First I want to say I believe the FCC made a hugh mistake, especially not requiring CW for Extra Class. On tests I was questioned on Packet, satellite and other stuff that I never will use. But I didn't complain. I studied and took the test. A test is a way make someone earn something. How bad to you want something? Are you willing to study for it? Just like a college degree. Most of that stuff you'll never use in the real world. But its there as a proving ground. What has really bothered me more than the FCC dropping the CW requirement is the "give me" attitude that some have. The "WE WON" and "I deserve" mentality. I guess I'll never understand that mentality, I was taught growing up that you earned your way. Now with that said, complaining about it won't change the facts. The FCC made a decision and that is the way it is. For all purposes the CW requirement was done away with when they dropped 13 WPM and 20 WPM. You actually had to know CW to pass at those speeds. I'm not leaving Ham Radio because of a bad move by the FCC (they have done many of those in the last few years). I really do hope that it revitalizes HF. I'd like to see a whole bunch of (good) folks on HF SSB. With that said....

73 and have a Blessed Christmas
Payton
KV4N
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by VE3LXL on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I don't think this decision will actually have any real impact on the usage of CW on HF. Even now, no one uses CW on the air if they don't like it, so the new no-code hams that show up on HF will just be like the existing hams who learned code but never use it. Those of us who like CW will continue using it, and new hams who find CW interesting will still go to the trouble of learning it. You don't need to learn how to operate in SSTV, PSK31, RTTY, etc. to get a ham license, but that hasn't stopped people from using those modes, and I think the same will be true for CW.
 
........................OH BOY....................  
by W1DUD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
....I can't wait, put on your suit of armour and bring it on. Let the games begin!!!
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K9GLN on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Put me on the other side of the majority of posted opinions. 5 wpm was an accomplishment that set Ham apart from CB. It legitimized the privilege of HF. Buy a test book and all the answers are there to memorize the test. If you wanted to be a ham, then you worked for it. What next, throw up your hands in total surrender and then open the bands like they did with 11 meters years ago? This is exactly what the “freebanders” wanted. This all falls right into the mentality of, let’s not exclude anyone. Schools don’t want to “grade” students because it hurts their feelings. Come back in five years and see if it was a good idea. .
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N4NYY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Nonsense. CW did not legititmize anything. It filtered out people, and that was it's only use. CW didn't make hams better hams, than no-coders. That is a myth. This is a dying hobby, that needs new life. I got all the way up to Geberal in my first shot. I was 38, and I was by far the youngest person at the test center. I don't care if people still will use CW as a hobby, but it should have been dropped a long time ago as a requirement. Go some test centers, or Ham radio stores. Look at the people there. No youth. Better yet, go on 75M phone, and listen to them. If you want to keep this hobby alive, you better get some newer and younger hams out there.

BTW, these new housing developments popping up around the country also have antenna restrictions. So the battle is a losing one. It's time to go on the offensive and try to revive this great hobby.
 
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by WA1RNE on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

"The FCC also adopted an Order on Reconsideration, in WT Docket 04-140 -- the "omnibus" proceeding -- agreeing to modify the Amateur Radio rules in response to an ARRL request to accommodate automatically controlled narrowband digital stations on 80 meters in the wake of rule changes that became effective today at 12:01 AM Eastern Time."

"The Commission said it will carve out the 3585 to 3600 kHz frequency segment for such operations."


>>> It's important to note that although the commission did provide the ARRL with some consideration, they left the new Extra Class Phone allocations INTACT. Instead, it would seem they took some very well written suggestions from hams who opposed the ARRL petition, suggesting instead that the FCC allocate a portion of the 80 meter CW band for auto-controlled Data operation, which is exactly what they did, creating a 15 Khz allocation below the new Phone band.


If the ARRL was a little more open-minded, they could have had 40 khz of dedicated data spectrum by requesting the FCC drop the Extra only CW allocation from 3.500-3525 and opening it for use by all license classes. This would have resulted in a Data-only allocation from 3560-3600; data operators would have been thrilled and Advanced, General and now Tech's would have a new place to operate CW.


WA1RNE
 
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by SWANMAN on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
For those of you who threatened to leave ham radio if the code requirement was ever dropped, feel-free to sell your stuff here:

http://members6.boardhost.com/theswapshoppe/
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by SWANMAN on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
For those of you who threatened to leave ham radio if the code requirement was ever dropped, feel-free to sell your stuff here:

http://members6.boardhost.com/theswapshoppe/
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I met a few hams over the years who backed out of Ham radio when the FCC came up with the codeless Tech license,they mentioned that its not a step forward but a step into the CB bands again. I for one think they should have kept the 5 wpm for some licensing and I passed the 13 wpm years ago. I too am proud to have done that as it more of an obstacle to me than trying to learn a foreign language.
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by KC2NOD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have ms and took the code test last week and failed it. 5wpm is too fast for me to copy. The VE said I could take the test by sending instead of receiving since I know all the letters and numbers.I was going to retest in a couple of weeks but I guess I don't have to now. My not being able to receive code at 5wpm is due to lesions on the 8th nerve in my brain brought on by multiple sclerosis. The 8th nerve controls your hearing and balance so dit-dah sounds like beep-beep to me. I have passed the general and extra written tests because that part of my brain is not affected by ms. I might not be able to copy cw, but I can send it. I'm sure there are those who can't send or receive and it's not right to keep anyone from the HF bands because of a disability.
 
RE: New question to debate!!!  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Thats a good question and we might find ourselves with a stub toe here at losing alot of Hams.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
That will never end as that debate will be around for 30 years
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by W2MSK on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
If K4UUG had passed the minimum 5WPM CW requirement his arguments might have been viewed with a bit more understanding. As a no-code tech he may have self interest as the basis for his oposition to code.
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have no problem copying it just writing it down was always a problem for me, At 17 wpm my hand is just not fast enough at writing it.
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by WA4MJF on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
There comes a speed, different
for different folks, when you need
to use a mill.

Happy Holidaze!

Ronnie
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WA1RNE on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

KC2NXV makes some good points.


The Babyboomers will keep Ham Radio safe for the next 25 years or so, but afterwards, maybe not.


We need to come up with a way to create an influx of technical interest, with the desire to build and experiment, not just mail order antennas and email over ham radio.


With all the new rule changes, it's perfect timing to re-vamp the licensing process to encourage technical skills. A Demonstrated Skills element could be the the shot in the arm to make this happen.

A drivers license is a good analogy: Can you imagine only having to pass a written exam, but never having to demonstrate they can really drive a car?



WA1RNE
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KE4CXP on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Today we have seen the end of an era. Will this mean that the Ham Bands will become nothing more that glorified CB channels? I think not we Hams are a respectful lot and will continue to teach and educate the new comers about our traditions and operating practices. It will be up to the old timers who are code certified to keep alive the tradition of Morse code and to pass it down to those of us who do not know Morse code. The airwaves will forever ring with the sound of Morse code, from the haunting sounds of history to the modern sounds of today’s Hams keeping one of the most cherished modes of operation alive and well. So let not this decision tear us apart but let it bring us together, for we all know that if it were not for Ham Radio the victims of disasters would not have been able to communicate with their families in time of need. For we are the last best hope for communication when all else fails, we are the voice of those who have no voice when disaster strikes. Let us continue this tradition and welcome the new operators to the HF bands.

With this I bid you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
To those of you on both sides of this (silly) debate...
GET A LIFE!!

Is this really a ground shattering or earth breaking development? Does this really mean that the sun won't rise tomorrow? Is Ham Radio really that important to you that you become so passionate as to forget that there maybe more important things that should be dominating your thoughts...?

WOW, a lot of these comments sound like a teenager who's just gotten his first car and nothing, NOTHING, is more important to him. Including family, friends, school, job, etc., etc.. I just hope, like that young adult... some time in the future, everyone will see just how silly this debate HAD become.

I can't believe that even I posted a comment on here. In Canada, the sky hasn't fallen. In fact, the numbers are now starting to decline after the initial spike. Now that's worrying. If the hobby is going to continue and possibly grow, a little more thought should be put into these debates rather than the constant bickering between sides. This battle has fractured this hobby. I hope it's not irreversable.

So...GET A LIFE! Start enjoying the hobby. Hey, here's a thought...turn on your radio and turn off the computer. Cool!! Actually participate in the hobby. (Not the arguing.)

de Andrew VA6SZ/VA6TTT

 
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by KD5PSH on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well, there goes the neighborhood. We can now expect the same quality (lack of it) on HF as we hear on VHF all of the time. Hillbilly heaven.

The ARRL was cheating in its surveys to pretend that older hams want this. That is so more radios can be sold (ARRL benefits big time via advertising)and the ARRL expects more members and book buyers from their high profit operation. Won't they be sad when they realize that most no=coders can't read and comprehend their books anyway. If they had that kind of gumption, they would have known code!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KD5PSH writes:

Well, there goes the neighborhood. We can now expect the same quality (lack of it) on HF as we hear on VHF all of the time. Hillbilly heaven.

The ARRL was cheating in its surveys to pretend that older hams want this. That is so more radios can be sold (ARRL benefits big time via advertising)and the ARRL expects more members and book buyers from their high profit operation. Won't they be sad when they realize that most no=coders can't read and comprehend their books anyway. If they had that kind of gumption, they would have known code!

Nice attitude. 'Nuff said!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K2LES on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Someone answer this for me. You are all scared to death that ham radio will now be overrun by CB'ers wreaking havoc on the bands now that the code is no longer necessary. So all you need to do now is pass a multiple choice test and you're in. OK - fair enough.

But if I want to run GMRS, I just have to fill out a form and pay $75. If want to run MURS, FRS or (gasp) CB, no form, no license. If I want to license a frequency or several for my business or public agency, again - a form and a fee and I'm in.

But if I want to run on select frequencies (ham bands), I have to take a test, learn morse code (well not anymore) and have to adhere to archaic operating rules out of fear of some fat smelly OO living in his mom's basement turning me into Hollingsworth.

Radio is radio. Why should ham radio be any different or special?
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by K4BS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
<<Today Amateur Radio has long standing image problem with our youth and many Amateur Radio Operators contribute to that image. Because many amateur radio operators are all too often
hypersensitive, rude, assume the worst in people, rarely give people the benefit of the doubt, Because of their arrogant, haughty behaviors and attitudes they display in public our youth view of
Amateur Radio Operators as a bunch of brass pounding crusty ill-tempered orange vested fat old men who have poor personal hygiene and are big cheap skates.Been to a Ham Fest?">>

HHHHHAAAAAAAAAA.......dang

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC5NYJ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
so, you are saying that by using CW, you, exclusively:

(a) Recognize and enhance the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

(b) Continue and extend the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

(c) Encourage and improve the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical phases of the art.

(d) Expand the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

(e) Continue and extend the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.

?

I think you just like pounding the key because it sets you apart from others who you seem to hold iwth great derision.

When is the last time you advanced the art of radio? Did you build your radio? Have you ever opened the cabinet of your appliance to tinker around with it or install some modification? Can you use an oscilloscope? Quick, what is the second IF of your receiver?
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by W7AIT on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hoards of CB'ers going to overtake the bands after they get their new FCC General or Extra!

NOT, not true.

Be interesting to see actually what happens, probably get a few from the CB crowd but bet not very many.

Most CB I've known just want to pop a beer and talk on channel 17, not study electronics.

The sky isn’t falling and dropping requirement is a good thing, brings us closer to 21st century.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W4BVD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Elegance is lost with our wonderful hobby. The progressive destruction of our bands is looming within sight. 4 letter words abound and band/power limits mean nothing. Sound familiar? Elmers now have twice the work ahead of them.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WI7B on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

Less FCC regulation, more self-regulation. Want new hams to learn your favorite emission type, Morse code? Well, now is your opportunity to INTEREST them in code and not have the FCC do your job.

If you feel that the era of "real" amateur radio has ended, I suggest you burn your licenses in protest. Clear the bands.

For the rest of us, the heirs of Marconi and Fessenden, we will progress into the future.

73,

---* Ken

"This change eliminates an unnecessary regulatory burden that may discourage current amateur radio operators from advancing their skills and participating more fully in the benefits of amateur radio." -FCC DOC-269012A1
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W4BVD writes:

Elegance is lost with our wonderful hobby. The progressive destruction of our bands is looming within sight. 4 letter words abound and band/power limits mean nothing. Sound familiar? Elmers now have twice the work ahead of them.


Sound familiar...? Yep, most nights on 75m phone!
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KI4OZG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
While I’m new to the hobby, only got my Tech. Ticket back in May, I can understand the desire to keep the requirement for the use of CODE but I don’t agree with it.

I’ll be studying for my upgrade now.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K1XT on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
When I passed my General class many years ago, not only did I have to copy code, but I had to send it also while I sat before an FCC examiner in St. Louis. Then years later I passed my Extra at 20wpm. But for me, code is just another mode. When I woke up this morning and looked out the window, the sky had not fallen. I found it to be safely intact.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC2IGY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm glad to see that the vast majority of people seem to agree that this is a move into the 21st century, and those of us that have no interest in this antiquated mode will no longer have it forced upon us. I accept this as an extra Xmas present. Happy Holidays to all.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by CHOIRBOY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, all I heard on Channel 19 on the way to work this morning was CBers talking about invading the ham bands... ;->

Seriously though, folks, I put a poll up on a CB talk forum a while back asking how many forum members were hams or had thought about becoming one, and the majority of responders chose "I would never in a million years become a ham."

I am glad for this ruling as it will allow me to take the General exam much sooner, but I still plan on learning and using code in the future as I have time.

Dennis KE5KZX
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sort of like getting a pilots license without flying a plane to some, but for me it was an enjoyment passing the the 13 years ago. I seldom use it but I seldom use the other modes as well in the digital side. Unfortunately just hardly had the chance to use it. I hope its still around despite the license changes.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sort of like getting a pilots license without flying a plane to some, but for me it was an enjoyment passing the the 13 years ago. I seldom use it but I seldom use the other modes as well in the digital side. Unfortunately just hardly had the chance to use it. I hope its still around despite the license changes.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KA5KMS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"10-4 Roger Good Buddy - There's a Smokey at Exit 19 so Watch Your Front Door!" - "That's A Dodger-Roger See Ya on the Flipside!"
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N4KC on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Remember back in high school when the teachers made us read books we didn't want to read and we developed a strong dislike for reading? And to the point many of us never became readers, even when we could have. Maybe...just maybe...now that code is not a requirement to get a license and to experience a broad range of amateur radio's possibilities, the code might accidentally become another aspect of the hobby that new hams will want to try. I hear plenty of CW sigs and can always find somebody to talk to, and there is NO FCC requirement that people operate A1 emission. We all choose to do so for whatever our reasons might be.

We can take two tacks here. We can bitch and moan that the hobby has regressed to CB and anyone coming into it without having to suffer the way we did is less entitled to move among us...and certainly not worthy of our time or effort. Or we can decide that this move might introduce a lot of potentially good hams to more of the hobby (along with some clinkers, but that's always a statistical likelihood) and once we get them in church, we might be able to convert them to the ways of CW righteousness.

One thing is for certain. The rules are what the rules are, and cry all you like, the toothpaste ain't going back in the tube!

73 and long live CW,

Don N4KC
www.donkeith.com


 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K1CJS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, it has happened. The element 1 test requirement will soon be gone, but I don't think there will be a mass exodus of tech class licensees heading to testing site all around the country. The FCC has wisely said the present technician licensees will now have the same privileges as the tech plus licensees now have--in other words techs will have HF access without having to upgrade.

There will be some people who will go to upgrade as soon as they can, but not in the numbers that some believe. The end of the world ain't here yet, folks, and I think you'll actually find more CW use after the R&O goes into effect--with operators who don't actually know morse using computer controlled programs to generate and translate code, much in the same manner as other digital modes. After all, code is the original digital mode, isn't it?

CW communication and morse code is far from being dead, and it will continue to have life far into the future.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N5GLR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KQ6XA on December 16, 2006 said: "Morse is History"

NOPE. Morse TESTING is history. CW will be around for a long, long time to come whether you like it or not.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6KYS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
OK, for all of the "sky is falling, ham radio is going to h--l" types......just ask yourself something. Do you REALLY think that CW was ever the great lowlife filter? Have you been to a hamfest lately and taken a good look around? Just how many "good buddies" out there are now going to start ringing the AES or HRO phone lines to now spend big dollars on something (a modern rig) that they won't understand, just because they now won't need to learn CW? Have you looked at the question pools for licensing, especially the Extra Class pool? They're tougher than I've ever seen them.

Just relax, everything will be OK. Deep, cleansing breaths. Maybe you can all have a CW net for stress relieving yoga.

Best to all,

Brad
N6KYS

Welcome to the 21st century.

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with the long live CW..may it come back, I too agree with the reading part but after years of not wanting to read certain items I found that I might have just missed something and went back and found out I was right,like those boring history books,now I am reading about my ancestors and some family history. Like my Uncle who was a President. The morse debate will never die despite the FCC decision on this.
 
RE: History?  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
yeah and you will lose alot of hams who will give up for this as well
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W1YW on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
A SPECIAL NOTE for those who want to act cosmically dumb:

*********

THE FCC ISN'T RESCINDING CW AS A MODE--only as a REQUIREMENT FOR PART 97.

***********

If YOU want to op CW then go knock your socks off!

And welcome, finally, to CENTURY 21 !
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N4MJG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
As a relatively new ham, I had to pass the 5 wpm exam for my General. But I'm glad I upgraded when I did, instead of waiting for the CW requirement to be dropped, because I have something that none of the new folks will have, and I'm pretty proud of that.
Long live CW!

73 de Dan, KE7HLR


Dan,


i too passed my code as well ! i passed my on aug 5,2006. i'm glad that i got that out of away, before they drop it ! if i can only get the written out of away i'll be happy.

CW is part of fun ! i think anyway, where most trying to learn it and too late ! have already drop the code requirement.the code will not go away it will be there forever the CW are here to stay.....


73
Jackie
-.- --. ....- --- .-. -..-
WEBSITE http://webpages.charter.net/kg4orx/
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KI6FTS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
With the ITU treaty no longer mandating code and many (most?) member nations quickly dropping the code requirement, it was just a matter of time. Both no-code holdouts and persons whose disabilities prevent the learning of code had a legitimate gripe--in an age when code is no longer a prerequisite to radio communication. Still, it is a sad milestone. CW played a central role in the history of ham radio. The new reality comes close to acknowledging that a "texting" kid with a cell phone is the technological equal (superior?) of a ham radio operator.

It's not all about tradition. Without the code requirement, most new HF users will never learn code, so will never discover whether they would have liked it.

I feel the different interests could have been accomodated by simply moving the code requirement exclusively to the Extra license.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3PI on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Let the chaos begin.
10-4
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB8SMU on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hi,
When can we (techs) start (transmitting) on the HF bands??

Shane
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W7CNK on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Another very SAD day for Amateur Radio.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W8IJN on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Coming up on 61 years of life & 38 years as a ham, I should know better than to say anything. Everybody is so contentious about this. But "this" is a hobby, not a religion. Lashing out or running to the armory isn't going to do anything but raise bloodpressure, incite bitter arguments that will ultimately mean zilch and likely give folks a reason to look on ham radio as a bunch of tired old rich guys with radios.

I learned CW as a Navy radioman. Today there are no radiomen, although the sparks remain on the sleeve. I suspect some day the sparks will be replaced by a satellite antenna or something. Time passes, things change and, in reality, all these arguments, congratulatory smiles & acrimony will mean nothing.

One of the posters said something about having 35 years left. I get lucky, I'll be about the same. Five hundred million years from now this point in space will be a blue cloud & all the CW & arguments over it will be frivolously moot.

It's a hobby. Not a religion. We don't have time for sectarianisms. Just get on the air and learn about the world you live on. And look for more auroras tonight, maybe.

73

Nils
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by QRZDXR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
9. The U.S. Government is in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act by not elimating a test which is no longer required
under International treaty, and which discriminates against those with certain disabilities. Learning CW with Disabilities such as Adult attention deficit disorder, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder,
just to name a few is imposable.

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Hey if this be true then why have classes of licenses? Doesn't that violate the Disabilities act that we all can get in on. Lets make everyone a extra or a tech. Nope can't even do that everyone has a right to non-discrimination and bias, thus, the FCC ARRL should be sued for it.

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Its just one more way that the ARRL and FCC has dummy'ed down the ham bands. It is a sad day for the rest of the good hams that have worked so hard to make ham radio what it was. part of our heartiage has been done away with. Saddly it is the begining of the end. If you think that the new people are going to respect the bands and/or not turn it into the new CB bands, you have to share that stuff you have been smoking.

Here is the MO. All the manufactures will have a surge of sales then about a year later you will see ham radio equipment sales hit the floor. A good thing turned into worms. Harrassment on the phone band will be the new ham wars. The Fcc will abandon ham radio like it did CB and leave it to the users to take care of themselves-- no more enforcement due to the large numbers of complaints, including yours. Shortly after manufactures will close the doors and good equipment will no longer be suported. (that 10 thousand dollar radio, beam, tower will be worth pennies on the dollar)

Linear amps will be in demand as the power grabbers will be needing the ablity to over come the low power jammers. Then the jammers will be back with one also.

Again manufactures will no longer be able to provide due to the decrease in value of the radios they produce.

The new hams will abandon the frequencies like they did the CB bands when the rogues took over. Clubs will also be effected. Why would one want to join--it cost money.

Truckers will be using the repeaters as they travel through the towns. Funds for operations will not be had by the locals who will finger point that others are using their stuff. Whining will be the order of the day when they ones that support the repeaters can't use them or are now charged for the site locations because they are no longer part of a public service. With the inadation of the bands for semi-business will become the norm.

The ARRL will also see a surge in sales for the new manuals till the wave passes. After that they will be like the others, no-suported and lacking funds from manufactures and members who now don't see a need for them as PBL takes over in the public sector.

The old hams abandon the hobby, selling out. The new hams after finding out that its not as fun as they thought talking to complete idiots on subjects that don't pertain to ham radio or its areas of address, also leave.

Sales of parts and supplies dry up due to the lack of technology in building things. CW transmitters, recievers and other things of the same which used to support the industrys small local electronics parts store---gone.

computers become the new ham radio, cell phones become the new hand helds and the rest is history.

If you think that I am a chicken little saying the sky is falling, all I can say to you is wait and see if what I have not predicted doesn't come true.

Oh and one more thing. The CB frequencies will be absorbed back into the ham bands, finally. (No more CB bands--no more ham bands--they will become the new commucators band. Only thing is I always thought it was going to be the other way around. Where the ham bands would get 11 meters back instead of the CB's getting the ham bands.

anyone want to buy a good used cw key ? I figure that sell now before the floor falls out from under them on their value.

Yep the ARRL and the no code people have got their way. They should be real proud of the accomplishment and the way they got it through. Its all about the money, as some have said, and not the hobby.

It is the begining of the end of a great hobby. I will always remember the good old days when I am listening to some net controller fighting with a jammer. Saying how it used to be is history now.

Congratulations to the new no code hams. May you enjoy your new found victory for what ever its worth.

I don't need to worry about the ARRL. I quit supporting them years ago when the smarter ones could see that they were only into it for the money and were selling out the hams for their own agenda.

Merry Christmas 10-4 good buddy-- 3's your way to you and yours from me and mine-- (new ham talk)

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W8WZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I will just continue to operate CW as always.
7.040 - 7.060
I hope ARRL will come up with some sort of optional CW testing measure so that new hams who want to get some sort of recognition for learning code (like our old CSCE's and upgraded tickets were) will have that option. I know they have copy tests from W1AW on occasion. That may be the best way for a new ham to get recognition for learning CW.

See those who can, on the bottom of the band!
73 W8WZ
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well..I passed my Code in November..so at least I did it..it's a personal thing to me...
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K1ZF on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Although it was enviable, I really pity anyone who thinks that dropping the CW requirement is a good thing. That just shows a complete lack of respect for tradition, and personifies the “I want it now, and I shouldn’t have to work to get it!” attitude prevailing in this country in the twenty first century. Something like the flawed, “No child left behind” concept. I’m sure that the next phase of de-regulation will be to require no license at all.

Ham radio: It sure was good while it lasted.

K1ZF

 
RE:giant step backwards not forwards  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I agree on this if there gonna change the rules why not just let the Generals be grandfathered up to Extra since its so easy to get a license now. AlsoI think its a step backwards not forward. Another bigmistake the FCC did for ham radio. If they don't make it a requirement they should still consider it as part of teaching the Hobby so the language can be carryied on to the future.
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by K1CJS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Mike, or Mr. QRZDXR: You are soooooo funny. You don't have the ticket, you don't have the call, and you are predicting doom for the amateur bands--which you don't use anyway.

Thanks for the good laugh!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N4NYY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
To all the people that think CBer and VHF user will ruin the airways, go to 75M phone and spend a couple hours there. First over, most of nets or groups do not allow for a break between keying. They key right on top of each other. Don't they know that they are supposed to give a couple seconds for break ins? And most don't identify themselves in the required times. But I never said anything. At least not until today, when I read all this whining.

Here is a quote right from the horse's mouth:

http://www.nocode.org/articles/riley_quotes.html

""It sounds good if you say it fast." he quips, adding that problems related to lowered entrance standards "are just nil." The opposite isn’t true either; higher standards don’t necessarily make more compliant operators, he says ruefully. "My experience is that higher class ops are the problem ops." (emphasis added)

There. Read it and weep.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I agree on this as well, getting a pilots license with out taking the tests or sailing a ship with out taking nautical training
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
as they say dont look a gift horse in the mouth it could you more harm than good, let's see how many hams give up knowing there is no more fun in learning the subject...makes it too easy now
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by N6JSX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
There are issues here that the FCC has never answered with previous degraging of HAM license requirements - that require clarification - now even more so.

Will the use of CW/Morse be elimiated as a valid method of
ID'ing a transmitter? Repeater impacts? Satallite impact?

Will HAM's with NO proven/tested ability to use Morse Code be allowed to use Morse Code to Part 97 ID their transmitters over the air? I say NO, as the FCC cannot hold them accountable for CW/Morse ID errors.

There are HAMs that have never been tested for CW/Morse proficiency - should they be allowed to use CW mode? I say NO, as the FCC cannot hold them accountable for CW/Morse ID errors.

How will the FCC note in the database who has been FCC CW tested to insure HAMs do not communicate with a CW bootlegger violating Part 97?

Since recent HAMs need only to pass 5WPM should these HAM's also be restriced to 5WPM for ID'ing - as the OO program ONLY requires 5WPM proficiency? YES, and now OO's will not have any CW/Morse required proficiency.

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I did not realize our socioty had such an exponetial increase in the mentally/hearing challenged citizens that HAM radio must dumb down to create socialized equality. We cannot require citizens to work or study for a privalage any longer. Soon we will not be allowed to require a vehicle drivers test as it discriminates against the mentally/visually challenged. We should put be allowed to put "corrective lens required" on the drivers license as it is an envasion of privacy that may allow profiling/discrimination.

I cannot beleive that in less than 20 yrs HAM radio has become such a dumbed-down upscale CB equivalant. The FCC has caved to the money making businesses of HAM radio (including the ARRL). Next step will be to lower the question totals to obtain licenses, create on-line testing, and immediate on-line licenses - leading to one license fits all. Soon to follow will be no testing just apply on-line for your CB/HAM license. But remember more radios will get sold - that's all that matters!

No-code licenses was one thing to give and easy entry into HAMdom but this is pure bu$ine$$ for GREED.

Welcome to Socialist Republic of the Undited States of America; SRUSA.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KK7SS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
You can't fight City Hall --- they have more money!
For over 40 years I have mainly operated SSB but, when necessary, I have found that a narrow CW filter and ~10 wpm is a great "Potty Mouth" filter...
And I can, if I wish, use CW ANYWHERE in the HF bands.
Good manners and good conversation will always be welcome on the HF bands REGARDLESS of class of License
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3PI on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Next steps

Consolidate all license classes to one.

Eliminate all written testing. Licensing is just a matter of filling out a postcard, agreeing to follow rules and mailing in a fee.

Systematic elimination/reduction/channelizing of amateur bands (this will be sold as "readjusting band space" to more appropriately reflect less activity...so it's really not a reduction).
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KE4YNN on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
CB is dead compared to the boom it had in the 70's and 80's. Lots of truckers still on it, I seriously doubt they are going to invade the ham band in mass. So if you tune in right now, you may hear a few op's on a few channels. No where near what it was in its boom. Of those few op's a small portion are idiots. With the internet, txt messages, and video games the CB band isnt getting a flood of newcomers either. To the layperson radio is radio, CB or amateur they dont know the difference. And todays youth doesnt have a real interest in radio. We need to change that. Lets just hope that dropping the code requirement will ensure that ham radio doesnt turn into CB. And by that I mean mostly dead air on HF 20 years from now.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KX8N on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
""My experience is that higher class ops are the problem ops." (emphasis added)"

And he's right. Look at HF. There's people keying on top of each other, tuning up on each other, acting like infants during pileups, running each other off frequency, operating out of bands, cursing, and generally showing a total disrespect to everyone around them.

And every one of these people - EVERY SINGLE ONE - passed a CW test. So, how did the filter work? Apparently, it doesn't.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC eliminated the code test today. They did not eliminate:

CW
the CW bands
CW operators
the fun of CW
the reliability of CW
the magic of CW
CW history
new hams becoming interested in CW
old and new hams who love CW
quality ham radio operators
CW demonstrations at Field Day
the CW mode button on your rig
copying an S1 CW signal
elmering
CW contests
CW DXing
the magic of radio
the unique sound of CW sent from a bug
QRP CW
code practice
a good fist
CW classes
building your own CW rig
a raspy aurora CW signal on 6 meters
CW traffic handling
exchanging written Morse code messages with your children for fun
the brotherhood of Amateur Radio
public service
technical innovation
education
the future of CW
Amateur Radio

Only we can eliminate or maintain the above items through our actions.

To those of you who think ham radio is over, for you it probably is. I suggest you go away and not bring down the rest of ham radio with negativity.

In the early days of radio, our predecessors had no test. Your "test" was building a rig and that's how you got on the air. Our forefathers might scoff at the fact that you and I don't have to build a rig to get on the air, and look upon us unfavorably. Or they might be impressed with the state of the art with commercial rigs and be very happy that people like us continue to build rigs and have continued the homebrewing tradition, despite not having it as a test or entry requirement. Our actions in the coming weeks and months will determine if we can look at the current state of ham radio in 50 years and be proud CW has continued and is alive as it is today.

Think of how many folks learned CW just enough to pass the test, only to never use it again after getting their tickets due to their distaste for CW from being forced to learn it. Now these people can learn it at their leisure at a speed that is reasonable and learn it with the idea of using it and not just passing a test. That is where the sense of accomplishment will come from, not a mandatory test. We just have to be there for these folks when they come in.

I don't think many people realize it, but for once the FCC has put *us* in control of something. We can replace the test with complaining, disrespect and barriers, or we can show our new hams the way and grow ham radio and CW interest. This is not a victory or loss for anyone, yet. Anyone here claiming this ruling is a loss or victory for their side is wrong. This is an opportunity. Do you want to be remembered as the one who blew it and killed the spirit of ham radio with cynisism, jabs, and ill will, or the one who took advantage of it and brought new, quality operators into the amateur service who contributed to making things better and ensuring the existence of ham radio into the future? The choice is yours.

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hmm... it's getting a bit loud now. I think re-emphasis on an earlier post is in order:
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To those of you on both sides of this (silly) debate...
GET A LIFE!!

Is this really a ground shattering or earth breaking development? Does this really mean that the sun won't rise tomorrow? Is Ham Radio really that important to you that you become so passionate as to forget that there maybe more important things that should be dominating your thoughts...?

WOW, a lot of these comments sound like a teenager who's just gotten his first car and nothing, NOTHING, is more important to him. Including family, friends, school, job, etc., etc.. I just hope, like that young adult... some time in the future, everyone will see just how silly this debate HAD become.

I can't believe that even I posted a comment on here. In Canada, the sky hasn't fallen. In fact, the numbers are now starting to decline after the initial spike. Now that's worrying. If the hobby is going to continue and possibly grow, a little more thought should be put into these debates rather than the constant bickering between sides. This battle has fractured this hobby. I hope it's not irreversable.

So...GET A LIFE! Start enjoying the hobby. Hey, here's a thought...turn on your radio and turn off the computer. Cool!! Actually participate in the hobby. (Not the arguing.)

de Andrew VA6SZ/VA6TTT
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K3NG, great post!! Couldn't have said it better!!
 
DON'T BLAME THE ARRL !  
by W1DFT on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The ARRL didn't start this, the IRU (International Radio Union) passed a ruling almost four years ago that stated Morse Code would no longer be required for HF access and that each country could decide their own criteria for retention. Most major countries (with significant hams) like Canada, Great Britain, Germany, France, Australia, Mexico, Spain, Italy, (haven't heard about Japan) have already eliminated the Morse requirement. Seeing the handwriting on the wall, ARRL endorsed keeping the Morse (5 wpm) for Extra only. FCC previously stated they were leaning toward total elimination. Although ARRL may benefit from increased manual sales (not a biggie) and indirectly from increased HF equipment sales, I believe this was NOT a big factor in their position.

CBers that like CB will stay there. CBers that are dissatisfied and want more, may join us. I welcome them.

Morse code will live on by those who appreciate it. The hobby will move forward.
DHJ
 
RE: DON'T BLAME THE ARRL !  
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Man..Think of all the "Roger Beeps" we'll be hearing now...(I'll be a 10-10 & listening fer yer final"...Let the fun begin....
 
RE: DON'T BLAME THE ARRL !  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
That maybe true about the ARRL, but again I think the FCC should have kept it for the Extra despite the FCC decision. It could change us or kill us. Its early to say it.
My Son I tried to get into Ham radio,but his mom stirred him away from it,saying that he would neglect his studies, but I laugh at that since he plays video games and chats on the internet alot. I think its a poor excuse on the ham license idea, as it would open doors to him and my daughter.
As they say dont look that horse in the mouth yet as it could do more harm than good.
Since morse is part of the digital world I plan to get into the PSK if I can find the time.
 
RE: DON'T BLAME THE ARRL !  
by AD5TD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
No don't blame the ARRL.

I was in favor of this. But, now that it's happened, I have mixed thoughts. I feel sorry for the ops that won't ever feel that satisfaction of accomplishing something worthwhile. I was so happy when I passed mine, even if it was just 5 wpm, that I was quite proud of myself.

Sat to say that I have not hit even a single dit since that time. So I guess it's just as well.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"The timing was hardly accidental.

The FCC is very astute and wise! "
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Yup..just in time for Santa to bring the CB'ers their new HF rig for Xmas....I can hear it now..at "Home 20's" all over the Country.."Wonder what this button does?"..and.."Guess my linear is legit now..huh?"..LOL..It just get's better & better
Roger...beep
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by AC7AP on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Nope, Morse code isn't history ... just the testing requirement. It will continue on because many of us will continue to use. Like it or not ... Morse will still be around.

Dit-dit
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Uh, yeah 10-4 Pig Pen, fer sure, fer sure
By golly it's clean clear to Flag-Town, C'mon

Uh, yeah, that's a big 10-4 Pig-Pen,
Yeah, we definitely got us the front door good buddy,
Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a convoy
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Was the dark of the moon, on the sixth of June
In a Kenworth, pullin' logs
Cabover Pete with a reefer on
And a Jimmy haulin' hogs
We 'as headin' fer bear on I-One-Oh
'Bout a mile outta Shaky-Town
I sez Pig-Pen, this here's the Rubber Duck
An' I'm about to put the hammer on down

Cause we gotta little ol' convoy, rockin' through the night
Yeah we gotta little ol' convoy, ain't she a beautiful sight?
Come on an' join our convoy, ain't nothin' gonna git in our way
We're gonna roll this truckin' convoy, cross the USA
Convoy... Convoy... "
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Sorry..I just had to..one time...
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KC2IJI on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
But who will save the freeband ? If techs get all tech plus privileges, then that small bit of 10 m which was allowed to tech plus for SSB is open.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC2JFS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I will make my thoughts very clear. Write a letter to the ARRL telling them thanks for NOTHING. I for one will DROP MY MEMBERSHIP as soon as it expires. They have done absolutely NOTHING for amateur radio. They couldn't even step up to the plate to fight for saving the 5 wpm for Extras. Say goodbye to the ARRL !! I guarantee CQ magazine will have its circulation soar.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KD5NVC on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

Do the right thing and encourage techs to study for the general test and Elmer them into the ranks of good operators. Stop whining about how things might be and put all that talk into action by mentoring someone in the right direction.

I had and still have a great number of “gentlemen operators” in my area that I have learned from and will continue to learn from over the years to come.

I also have learned a great deal from the “Experts” on 80 and 40 meters on how NOT to operate! You will learn nothing by opening your mouth but you will learn a great deal by listening.

73’s to all and Happy Holidays!!

Glenn Breaux
KD5NVC
Lafayette, La.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Anthony, K3NG, the only thing I can say is this:

WELL SAID!

It is up to US to see if this is a plus or a minus to ham radio. Lets hope we can make it a plus. 73!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Drop those question pools & CW Practice exams..& start a workin' on memorizing these....Roger..beep:
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Some of the popular CB slang terms include:

"Handle." A Handle is the nickname a CB user uses in CB transmissions. Other CB users will refer to the user by this nickname. To say "What's your handle?" is to ask another user for their CB nickname.
"County Mountie." This refers to a Sheriff's deputy car.
"Smokey." A law officer. A "smokey report" is what CB users say when they have information on a law officer, such as location or current activities.
"Bear." Another slang term for a law officer. References to Smokey & Bear are both direct references to Smokey Bear, a character image commonly seen along U.S. highways. He wears a flat-brimmed forest ranger's hat very similar to the hat included in many highway patrol uniforms in the U.S.
"Bear / Smokey in a plain brown wrapper." An unmarked police car.
"Bear in the air" or "Fly in the sky." A police helicopter.
"Bubble gum machine." See "Gum ball machine"
"Back door." The area behind a vehicle. To say "I got your back door" means that someone is watching another's back. "Knocking at your back door" means approaching from behind.
"City-Kitty." See "local yokel."
"Four." Usually short for the ten code 10-4, which means acknowledged, ok, etc.
"Four-wheeler." A small passenger vehicle, as distinguished from an "eighteen-wheeler" (a semi truck). More commonly, this is used to refer to a four-wheel-drive vehicle (such as a jeep or pickup).
"Front door." The leader of a convoy.
"Full-Grown." Refers to a state policeman/trooper, since he can go wherever he wants.
"Gator...as in alligator." Refers to pieces of blown truck tire whose tread looks like an alligators back. A large piece, if hit just right, can do severe damage to a vehicle.
"Gum ball machine" or "bubble gum machine" Reference to any law enforcement vehicle. It refers to a popular style of rotating mirror light used by many state police and some other law enforcement agencies at the time, however the term can refer to any law enforcement vehicle. It looked somewhat like the round style of 'penny' gumball machines. It was basically a clear cylinder, like an upside down jar, with lights and a spinning mirror system inside. It was usually mounted on the center of the roof.
"Good buddy" friend.
"Hauling fence post holes" or "Hauling sailboat fuel." Carrying an empty load.
"I'm gone." means 'I am finished transmitting and will no longer be listening.'
"Local yokel." A law officer with a city or township police force, seldom encountered on interstate highways.
"Put the hammer down." Slang for shifting to the highest gear & flooring the accelerator.
"Put the pedal to the metal." Another slang term for pushing down on the accelerator.
"Picture-taker" or a "Smokey taking pictures" or "Kojak with a Kodak". A law officer monitoring traffic with a radar gun. Today, this can also refer to an automated speed camera.
"Seat cover." An attractive female passenger in a vehicle.
"Twenty" as in "What's your twenty?" This is asking the receiver what their current location is. This term comes from the ten-code 10-20.
"Rolling refinery." A semi truck carrying fuel.
"Sandbagging" A term used describe the activity of a person not participating in conversation but listening only, despite having the capability of speaking. This is not the same as listening in using a simple receiver, as the person doing this activity can transmit using the two-way radio, but chooses not to. It is done to monitor people for entertainment or for gathering information about the actions of others. Often CBer’s will sandbag to listen to others' responses to their previous input to a conversation, sometimes referred to a "reading the mail".
"Suicide jockey." A truck carrying explosives.
"Got your ears on?" Asking the receiver if they are on the air and listening to you.
"Breaker (channel number)" Telling other CB users that you'd like to start a transmission on a channel. ("One-nine" refers to channel 19, the most widely used among truck drivers.)
"Breaker, breaker to (CB user handle)." A slang term telling another user that you'd like to speak to them.
10-100: (polite) Taking a bathroom break. "Smokey Bear taking a 10-100 on the roadside." Means, a patrolman is taking a bathroom break literally on the roadside, the road's shoulder, in some bushes. 10-100 is commonly only used to refer only to urination ("going number 1").
10-200: (polite) Most commonly used to refer defecation ("going number 2"). This different usage may have been spawned from the joke in Smokey & the Bandit.
Toilet mouth/Potty mouth: Someone using profanity, foul language on the air. Cussing over CB channels is generally frowned upon.
Evil Kinevil, cop on a motorcycle.
Meat Wagon: Ambulance
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KE7FAY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Regarding - Dan, KE7HLR's post...

I'm a relatively new General class ham too and I feel the same way. The Element 1 ticket will now have a very special place on the wall.

It was a tough achievement for this 56 year old. It is something to feel proud about.

73's Ken KE7FAY
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm glad no one has responded to the ridiculous posts from N3OYO. There're not even remotely amusing.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB3LSR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
When I passed my Elements 1 and 3, I decided to reward myself with an HF rig (afterall, it was an accomplishment). I can only imagine what the resale on e-bay will be now, LoL.


I don't think removing the Morse Code requirement will turn the ham bands into CB bands, I don't think I'm any better of an operator now than I was back in November before I passed. I may have learned more since then, but I don't think it changed my operating practices.


73
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WI7B on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

Interestingly, most of the posted comments using what might be referred to as "CB lingo" are written folks who support CW!

...and they seem to use it fluently.

Most of the folks here who are in support of dropping the code as a requirement actually do Op code.

73,

---* Ken


 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Oh come on..I was only kidding!..A little levity in this situation doesn't hurt..I'll keep it sadly serious from now on..But you know..it IS gonna get very interesting...Keep an eye on HRO, etc..& watch the HF rigs fly out of the stores.... ;-)
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by N0XMZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K4UUG - Well said, sir!

I can't add much to that except that I look forward to meeting people on the air in my own age group for a change. Nothing against the old-timers, but this will breathe new life into ham radio.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KE4QDC on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe thats because there's only generals,advanced & extras on HF. Tech's haven't shown up on HF yet. Just wait
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KG4CNV on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I want to know why some think eliminating code will make the Hf bands like Cb? I have heard just as bad or worse on 75m. If you think about it 90% of your Cb op's are not going to spend the money on a Hf rig when they can stay on 11m and get the same treatment!
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by N4NYY on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hey N3OYO, I am a General like you. However, I am on the CB nearly every night for local chat. None of these people I talk to use the "old CB lingo". Most use standard English. Stop whining and get your head out of your ass. It's whiners like you that are the problem, not CBers.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well put...QRP will now mean...500 watts...lol
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3PI on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I got a life membership to ARRL a long time ago, so I will keep taking the magazine, thank you.

But their days as an effective lobbying group are long gone. I don't believe they have been successful in influencing the FCC on any issue in ages. They are impotent.

I knew the jig was up on the last major issue (code speed reduction for various license class) when the FCC paid more attention to petitions from QCWA and smaller groups and clubs.

The FCC is going to do what the FCC wants to do (or is told to do by commercial interests) and will use comments that support their position and discard the rest.

You get the feeling that they just brush the ARRL aside with a nod, a smile, a pat on the head - "thank you very much for your ideas sonny, now run along and play."
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KE4QDC on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Everytime a new rule or rule changes come out its just one more negative thing that happens to amateur radio. Whats next??? The only thing left for the FCC to do now is just do away with any license requirement at all. No test required just go to the store buy you a radio and bring it on home and get on the air. Yee Haw sounds good to me lets go for it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Oh come on....Just having some fun..OK..I'll just not post anything..& watch all you guys get overly serious & yell at each other.....I'm 10-7..Roger..beep
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Interestingly, most of the posted comments using what might be referred to as "CB lingo" are written folks who support CW!

...and they seem to use it fluently."

It really makes you wonder who the "slang using riff-raff" these people refer to really are, doesn't it?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KX8N on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Most of the folks here who are in support of dropping the code as a requirement actually do Op code. "

The best way to get someone interested in something is to not force it upon them. A LOT of ops study so hard for the code test that by the time they are done, they never want to hear code again. That's how I was. Learning code as a requirement actually turned me OFF of it for the longest time.

Make it something they WANT to do, and more ops will use it.

Make it something they HAVE to do, and you are going to turn alot of people away from using CW.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"But their (ARRL) days as an effective lobbying group are long gone. I don't believe they have been successful in influencing the FCC on any issue in ages. They are impotent."

Sadly, yes they are. But not because they've lost what they've had--it is really because the FCC has gone from being "technically" staffed to being "legally" staffed. Todays FCC ignore technical facts and sides with lawyers and big money. The FCC treatment of BPL proves that.

The ARRL hasn't gone impotent--its the influence of $$$ on BOTH the FCC and the ARRL that has caused them to lose their effectiveness.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KX8N: You've got it exactly right. Too bad a lot of people can't see it the way we do.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KX8N on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"The ARRL hasn't gone impotent--its the influence of $$$ on BOTH the FCC and the ARRL that has caused them to lose their effectiveness."

I'm not sure about that. I mean, people tend to forget that the ARRL is basically a radio club with alot of money, alot of members, and they sell things. But they are still basically just a radio club, and although they do have some pull, they are not a function of the government - as the FCC is. The ARRL can lobby, but the FCC makes the decisions. If the ARRL was able to do more than that, BPL would never have even gotten to the testing stage.

The amateur radio community ultimately made the decision, if people want to admit it or not. When the FCC started asking for comments about CW, we had our chance to voice our opinions. Apparently, after reading those comments, they still felt that the majority of operators wanted to do away with CW as a requirement. Of course, both the ARRL and many amateurs wanted to keep at least 5 WPM for the Extra, but apparently the argument to do so wasn't good enough.

The fact is, though, this is no longer a "what if" situation. It has happened, it is reality, and what needs each ham needs to do now is decide how they want to deal with it. You can't change it, and the endless bickering won't do anything at all.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KX8N on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Oh come on....Just having some fun..OK..I'll just not post anything..& watch all you guys get overly serious & yell at each other.....I'm 10-7..Roger..beep "

Many a truth has been said in jest...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K4PDM on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Probably no one reads comments this far down, but I felt the need to add one. I am 48 years old, a ham for 30 years, a 20-wpm Extra for 18 years. Operated mostly CW.

I have become inactive for the past several months, and sold almost all my equipment, because of the divided nature of the service for the last few years. I frankly got to the point that I could not take it any more.

I supported the elimination of the code requirement, because I don't think there should be requirements based solely on tradition. I'm a very sentimental person, but let's face it, 99% of the reason for the code requirement was tradition. I do love CW, and part of me is in mourning. It'll be used on the bands for the rest of my life, but for how much longer, I don't know. Fewer and fewer will know it, but that is appropriate for modes whose time is past.

My problem with the whole issue involves the attitude of other old-time hams. I have to ask them this question: "If there were no code requirement when you became interested in ham radio, would you have still gotten your ticket? Or would you have said, "This is too easy. It's a slap in the face of those who have gone before. I'm not going to get a ticket unless it is as hard as it used to be." Unless you can answer that question with a "yes," you have no right to criticise the newcomers. And even then, you should realize that chances are, the test you took was not has hard as it was ten, twenty, or thirty years before. Did you have to draw schematics, for example?

Ham radio technology has been behind the other technologies for many years now. Your FM HT, although small, is not as small as your cellphone. Your HF rig, although full of digital features, is not as sophisticated as my satellite receiver. Perhaps the changing licensing requirements will bring enough new people in that our technology can once again be "cutting edge." I enjoy playing with tube rigs, but if that's what we all were using, it wouldn't be long until we had no gear at all.

Please, take the no-coders under your wing and teach them the really important traditions of ham radio. If you are so inclined, show them that code can be fun, and not all that hard. Maybe they'll learn it because they want to, and use it because they enjoy it.

But one way or another, they are our future--if we have one. 73.

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AG4RQ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006:
"Oh come on..I was only kidding!..A little levity in this situation doesn't hurt..I'll keep it sadly serious from now on..But you know..it IS gonna get very interesting...Keep an eye on HRO, etc..& watch the HF rigs fly out of the stores.... ;-)"

Hey Man! Don't sweat it! I enjoyed reading your CB Lingo post. It was good for some laughs. However, much truth is said in jest. We may have to bone up on our CB lingo now that our bands have become "Multiband CB".

I look at both sides of this coin. On one side, those who wanted HF with no work have won. They waited 15 long years and sat on their NCT licenses waiting for this day. Now their day has arrived. Multiband CB is here. With a few practice exams on QRZ, codeless Extras with no knowledge of electronics will colonize the Extra phone bands. The upgrade to General is almost automatic. It doesn't take too much effort to pass that Simple-Simon exam. The Extra will require some effort to memorize the question pools. Go through your Gordon West Extra manual 2 or 3 times, do a few practice exams on QRZ and you should be good to go for the Extra exam. If you think the phone bands are a zoo now, just wait!

The other side of this coin reveals that the dark cloud has a silver lining. For those who have a true interest in learning code because they want to use it on the air, elimination of Element 1 testing is a blessing in disguise. Look at the bright side. Now you don't have to be burdened with learning code at the painful slow rate of 5 wpm. Learn it at a usable rate - 20-25 WPM using the Koch method. You will never have to worry about the plateau at 10 wpm and never have to worry about slowly building your speed. Face it. Having to learn code at 5 wpm was a definite hindrance. That hindrance is gone now.

Long live CW. We will keep it alive into the Twenty-second Century and beyond. New hams will realize the benefits of this time-tested durable mode and they will keep it alive.

73 de AG4RQ
A ham since 1995, coded since 2000 and an Ex-ARRL member since 8/31/04
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6KYS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
CW is just a digital mode, and a lousy one at that. OK, so it's fun to do....no argument there. Keep operating CW and enjoying yourself....more power to you. Band utilization is really important.

Still.....when (not "if"), SSB becomes obsolete as a voice mode in favor of some digital voice protocol (and that's not far off....we already use it for virtual air traffic control over areas outside of radar coverage), will you all scream about the loss of another obsolete transmission mode? Fat chance.

"Money talks", "greed" with regard to this rule change....you guys lost me with those descriptions.

Brad
N6KYS

Welcome to the 21st century.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N4CQR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I honestly don't see this being a bad thing. I could be wrong, I have been before. At least a decision has been made.
One which I think everyone was expecting, but just not sure when.

When the NCT license came about, there was talk of the destruction of amateur radio. Comments like the bands would be flooded with people.
Yes there was an increase but nothing like what was anticipated.

I have a feeling, based mostly on past observations, that everything is going to be just fine.

This is going to be a long, long thread.

JCS
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC5NYJ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
A casual observer might come away with the impression that CW is the only requirement for obtaining a ham license.

I think I've made this point in another thread, long ago, but there are plenty of technically inclined folks who simply find CW boring and an impediment. I'm not one. Kudos to those who love it. I suppose when the day comes that my life depends on tapping out some characters, I'll be sorry, but for now, I feel relatively secure in the knowledge that my technical radio prowess runs circles around many whose only salient accomplishment seems to be CW, answering some admittedly canned questions, and running the credit card through some ham store slot.

In my professional career, I've done the engineering studies and filing for construction of commercial broadcast facilities. I've built them hands on from the mic switch to the tower beacon. I've spent hours troubleshooting, repairing and building real radio equipment for real radio stations that operate 24/7 and provide real community service as a rule. I've operated them, maintained them, logged them, talked on them, played records and CD's and digital audio on them, and made a living from them.

Having some punkass amateur come along and attempt to diminish my committment to the radio art by pointing out that I don't do CW is laughable.

Presently, I'm experimenting with broadcast DRM, and soon expect to be using HamDRM, with equipment that I have a hand in designing, building and implementing.

Amateur? Yeah.

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>Make it something they WANT to do, and more ops will use it.

>Make it something they HAVE to do, and you are going to turn alot of people away from using CW.

KX8N: BRAVO! You've hit the nail on the head.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KF0K on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I remember when the no-code license happened and was referred to as the "silver bullit" that would kill amateur radio...they were right, it did. It has been slowly deteriorating since then, as evident by just listening to the bands. Now we can send the cancer that has been eating away at the hobby into fast-forward! All that cb sing-song lingo insanity crap that has been showing up slowly over a period of time, will now become a full-blown epidemic! Actually, this might help cw somewhat...one thing is for sure, the new influx of, not sure what to call them, hams or amateur radio operators certainly doesn't apply, will not bother anyone on cw. But what the rest of the bands sink into can only be called mirror images of what 11 meters was 20-25 years ago. Buying the newer $10K + rigs isn't going to help this, there is no filter for what you're going to hear. Before anyone says it, NO...changing freqs or turning the rig off is not the answer for this. Decent folks that don't curse, that use proper phonetics, identify as they should, don't sound like they just crawled out of the turnip truck, should not have to relent and give in to idiots...if anyone should have to go someplace else, it's the idiots!!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W5TD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I guarantee CQ magazine will have its circulation soar."

No, CQ magazine was evern worse than the ARRL in pushing for the eliminateion of the CW test. They also want to make the written test easier. The only magazine that actually wanted to keep standards was Worldradio.

73s John W5TD

 
FCC Drop Morse Testing..My ox is being gored!  
by KB2FBI on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The truism, "It depends on whose ox is being gored" as a measure of the level of complaint. (Cue the harmonica, Alfred)
I started out as a Novice. I listened and learned to the G West audio tapes and used my audio oscillator kit to create the dits and dahs necessary. I passed. I kept my Novice call - KB2FBI. I thought less of those prattlers who demanded it be 1927 forever.
They usually started, "When I became a ham, we didn't even have 'dahs!' All we had were 'dits!' There wasn't enough bandwidth for the 'dahs' so you had t count and fill them in mentally during your QSO. You hams today are just too lazy. Not only do you have your longs and shorts but you have all the bandwidth you need!"
I was/am not a big fan of CW being the gate keeper to amateur radio. But now, I feel different. I feel like my ox has been gored. I erroneously, fear an influx of the FRS, GMRS and so on, users into 'my' slice of the spectrum. What I see, is that Amateur Radio has become passe. One of my children is not all all intrigued when they can use 1/2w 800mhz. full-duplex digital radio to talk to their brother using similar technology 1/2 way around the world in Iraq. To watch me sit and spin the dials, power up the amp, tune the rig, rotate the antenna knock out -.-. --.- over and over hoping to receive a station returning my CQ, is boring and "quaint" to them.
I opine that we were guarding the gates of land that time forgot.
I worked so hard to earn it, I just hate giving up the CW requirement. Maybe I am nothing more than an old light house keeper.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N5LX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
NCTs:


Welcome to the exciting world of HF.


I look forward to talking to each and everyone of you.


Welcome


N5LX


.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W5TD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Learning code as a requirement actually turned me OFF of it for the longest time. Make it something they WANT to do, and more ops will use it.
Make it something they HAVE to do, and you are going to turn alot of people away from using CW."

So the reason we have bad drivers today is because people have to learn the rules of the road to pass the driving test. If we elimate the drivers license test, people will just want to become good drives and all accidents will cease? Sounds like reasonable logic to me.

73s John W5TD
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KE4WBQ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I think it is unfair to judge people's character on if they know code or not..I took my general written exam in March of last year and I really really tried to "get the code"but it never happened for me...I am an AEC,ARO,OES, and PIO for our group, a homeschooling parent.I take a long distance medical course,I am studying for search &rescue II and III exam,and first responder,and I lived in South Florida when both hurricane Frances and Jean hit. Me and my husband voluntered our time for those events...after hurricane Frances my husband, me and my family lived in the special care facility for almost two weeks. So how is my character or voluntering somehow flawed because I never have gotten the code?code is just another mode to use and some if not most just learn long enough to pass the test so why not judge them the same way then?
Melissa
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>I'm glad no one has responded to the ridiculous posts from -----. There're not even remotely amusing.

Agreed. There's going to be negativity spewed non-stop for the next couple weeks on eHam and QRZ.com. Expect Op Ed articles galore which will give more opportunities for negativity and disingenous attacks based on disprovable fallacies under the guise of levity and satire, some coming from the articles themselves. (I wish the sites would show some editorial control....)

Hopefully this will all end in a couple weeks after the rules are published and we can move on with the business of moving amateur radio forward. It's clear who's on board and who's not.
 
Move On  
by WG7G on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Now Amateur Radio can move into the 21st century.

I'll still learn the code but at least I'll have the equipment set up and ready to go when I do.

I can already type faster than PSK31.

Mike
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC5NYJ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
" don't sound like they just crawled out of the turnip truck"

You think you are better than them? You are not.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC5NYJ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
CW mandates are like requiring commercial jet pilots to pass air-to-air combat dogfight training, "just in case"...
 
RE: History?  
by KE7HLR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
> The downside is that the cost of HF gear will
> skyrocket on eBay and at the Crapfests.

The price of HF gear may go up in the short term, but in the long term, the price of new HF gear will likely go down, since manufacturer's will be producing and selling more products. (It's called "economies of scale.")

73 de Dan, KE7HLR
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD7YVV on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Grandfather always told me, there is no substitute for
experience.
When I was on 11 meters, I didn't need to know how to
build a radio, or tune my own antenna, it was done for
me.
All I had to do was spend the money.
Some see this as the death of ham radio, with millions
of CB'ers poised to run right out the second the R&O
takes effect to drop a few hundred dollars on a radio
and invade our sacred spectrum.
Others see it as an opportunity to elmer a new ham,
showing them how to use their new radio, and giving
insight as to not only how things work, but why they
work the way they do.
My Elmer was the "Now You're Talking" book.
I had to learn the contents of that book, and the General
Q&A book. Now I'm learning the contents of the Extra
Class manual.
Will I ever build my own radio? Probably not.
Know why? The components have gotten so tiny that you
practically need an electron microscope to see them.
Now, I don't know about you, but my old eye isn't as
good as it used to be.
Would I like to build my own radio? Sure, but I doubt
I could build something on the order of the IC-7000.
I learned CW not only because it was a requirement
at the time, but because it stood in the way of
something I wanted.
I wanted on HF. I wanted to talk to other countries
and I wanted to see the world of Amateur Radio the
way Grandfather saw the world of SWL'ing.
Nowadays though, the ham bands are polluted with noise
from man-made sources. I had proof of that when my
S5 noise level dropped to S1 during the windstorm and
power outage we recently experienced here in the
Seattle area. "The magic was back."
Ham radio has been "dying" for 50 years.
I've seen posts about how there aren't enough new
Amateurs and I've seen posts about how the FCC dropping
code will be the death of the hobby.
The so-called "dumbing down" of ham radio.
So which is it going to be? Crap or get off the pot
already. If you like CW (and I do and am still learning
to up my code speed) then so be it, more power to you.
Just accept the fact already that not everyone is
going to use or learn CW.
I will say that going from a no-code tech to General
has a certain satisfaction. I took the time, studied
the material, took the test, and passed.
Nowadays, you tell a kid about ham radio and they're
like, "so what?" and go back to their instant
messaging cellphones and IM chat.
Ham radio may not make the impression on today's youth
that it did me, but during my time in this hobby,
I've made many new friends and learned many new things
I did not know before. There's no challenge to having
a cellphone or PC with IM capability.
Maybe what's needed to spark (ouch did I say that?)
the curiosity of todays youth is a challenge.
Don't tell me HOW it works, tell me WHY.
If you're a teacher, start up a ham club in your
school if there isn't one.
Take the time to Elmer a new ham.
When I wanted to know something it would infuriate me
that my grandfather would tell me to "look it up".
In these days of instant gratification (like instant
on TV's) everyone wants it NOW.
When I think of this, I am reminded of my grandfather's
words: there is no substitute for experience.

--KD7YVV, Kirkland, WA

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KG4RUL on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Fortunately, I don't have to worry about the price of HF gear going up. I already have a TS2000X and an FT100D.

However, I need to start improving my HF antennas ASAP! The QTH only has a Force 12 flagpole which can uase a LOT more radials. I guess I will have to string up one of my G5RV's now that the trees have lost their leaves.

The mobile has a Lil Tarheel II so FB there though, I may invest in the Turbo Tuner unit to use with the FT100D.

I need to start listening to the NTS nets so I can be ready to jump in when I get the upgrade.

Looking forward to hearing you on the Bands.

Dennis KG4RUL, Currently a lowly NCT
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6KYS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Guys, guys, guys........... if you really can't keep yourself from having some excitement in your life by staying PO'd about something, how about this....

Far and away, a much bigger threat to our hobby than any perceived issue with removing CW from licensing is the BPL issue.

This issue will have a huge impact on the amateur service, making the CW licensing issue look very small.

Put your energies in the BPL fight, rather than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with this idiotic CW non-issue.

The CBers are NOT coming, but BPL just might.

Best to all,

Brad
N6KYS

 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K4QGB on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I earned my General class WITH code last month. I'm glad I did and I am trying to pick up speed. It doesn't make me a better ham, it just makes me a ham - something no coders will never know. Just my .02 worth.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD7YVV on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Dennis,
Don't look at yourself as a "lowly" no-code tech.
You've taken the test and passed for your license
class. I've been there. :)
It's like building a house. You've just laid the
foundation. Now build upon your knowledge and learn
more. I never thought I'd learn or like CW but I can
say that at least I tried it and found to my surprise
that I do like and enjoy it. Now I have to upgrade
from "lowly" General to the ultra-elite super exclusive
Extra class. (Just kidding.) If you don't mind taking
a bit of advice from a royal pain in the kiester....
Don't just memorize the answers, take the time to
learn why things work the way they do.

--KD7YVV, Kirkland, WA

 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by WA4UF on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I see Morse Code ability in much the same light as, say, the ability to drive a car with a manual transmission. One need not demonstrate the ability to obtain a license to drive, and one may spend one's entire automotive live in the comforting embrace of the automatic transmission. But at some point one could find one's self in an emergency situation and the only vehicle available in which to transport needed supplies or injured people has the dreaded clutch and stick shift.

In the same manner, one could (the author is likely painting himself with this brush, as the Morse Code acuity fled within microseconds of passing Element 1 :-) ) operate for years and years on SSB or AM or FM, but at some point there could occur some confluence of an emergency or disaster situation and really awful band conditions, wherein the only copyable signals wind up being CW.

Of course, I find that it is much more *fun* to drive a car with a manual transmission. It may well be (and it *is* on my to-do list, right after all those items the XYL keeps putting on the top of the list!) that if I applied sufficient phosphoric acid and wire brush to my Morse Code skills to get the rust off, I'd find it fun as well. At least, that's what I'm hoping...

Now, what'd I do with that Java Koch Method program on the linux box?....

73 from Gator Country
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KC0TFS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Correct me if I`m wrong, as a no code tech I will gain the HF privileges of the code tech? So I can use CW on 75m, 40m, 15m, and 10m and 10m phone. I think that would make me want to learn code to use those band privileges. I`m still workin on the code, I guess my test will be on the band training.
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by QRZDXR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
y K1CJS on December 16, 2006
Mike, or Mr. QRZDXR: You are soooooo funny. You don't have the ticket, you don't have the call, and you are predicting doom for the amateur bands--which you don't use anyway.

Thanks for the good laugh!

--------------------------------------------------

laughs is on you. See your just like the ARRL. You don't know a thing. YOu make all these assumptions without justification-- yet your out preaching to the masses.


If one person is to be singled out for the demise of the ham bands it has to be the velvet glove of ARRL and people like you CJS who support the --monkeys in charge of the banana boat concept. Yet CJS will probably be the the first to whine about why no one is protecting/enforcing the malicious interfearance against him when he gets run off the air by some 18 wheeler named ACE- and his 2.5KW mobile commander amp. grin. (wait till you see how they play with mentally deficent/challenged and lest we forget the women sector--hours of fun and laughs for the casual intelectual listener)

I think hams should go through the FCC petition process (of course the ARRL will object--think of the money they will lose from all those books they printed) thus, getting the FCC to grant everyone extra class priv. under the same suit process that the ARRL did to them under the USADA (Americans with disabilitys act. as we all know hams have some sort of handicap - right CJS) Why should the extras only be priv to use the whole band. That is truly class discrimination against Generals and others because they can't pass the test?. The same test that used to require CW proficency. The ARRL cited the law not me. So what applied to CW should also apply to the license class' otherwise its discrimination and bias-- which the government is not allowed to do. They then should upgrade anyone Tech or better to Extra class priv's Failure to do so is in viloation of the law is it not? Hello any attornies out their that want to make a quick buck and a name for themselves representing the ARRL sponsored FCC discrimitory enforced repressed class'

If the code goes then so should the ham classes of licenses. Lets not be discrimitory here. (opens up a whole new pandoras box of worms--huh) Hello Commucators band radio. One fair license for all without discrimination and unfair restrictions reguardless of the handicap.

I am sure CJS and others won't mind having the new hams up into their restricted members only section of the band club. NOW WHO IS LAUGHING CJS. Oh not in your band plan... hmmm do I detect a hint of discrimination and bias?

Its no matter because shortly you won't hear anyone once the money hits the table over at the FCC for BPL. (the power companies are waiting in the wings to add to their revenue making sales of the internet just like the phone company and cable people do now.) The ARRL and others can't stop 'em. The question is who has the right to make money first!! Oh I hear CJS say-- wait what about hams rights and interfearance laws-- no problem they will just change 'em. Hams are not any more = incase you haven't been paying attention during the last year-- check with your local red cross to get a idea of what value hams really are. (don't feel offended when they hang up on you for waisting their time-- ya I know reality hurts)

Now CJS if you have something intelligent to say.. your welcome to comment otherwise take the .. you don't have a license whineing somewhere else..(its old dude) you don't know what your talking about when you make those kinds of statements without --knowledge-- Most of us are talking future here and your still contemplating the lint in your navel in reguards to the -- you don't have a license. LOL --shows lots of intelligence to be able to comprehend what the thread is about. grin

I am getting savy with the new kids on the block by starting to use their radio language. (quite frankly I think this is going to be fun- a whole new specialized group to try and understand) I suggest you practice theirs' too as its coming to a frequency near you soon.

You don't want to be a dummy and antquated like the crass concieted ARRL now do you? (I am sure they will be putting out several new books -- (from $19.95-49.95, handling and shipping extra, local taxes may apply so check your state) --soon on how to deal with the new radio breeds. One will be "why can't we and how to just get along on the new ham bands". Included is the new 10-10 codes from 1-5000 (section 1000-2000 contains strong action verbage and should restricted for adults only) And "how to just walk away from a harrassing operator without getting a heart attack or stroke or hammering the radio" then their will be the every popular " how to sue the jammer that moved in next door" And least we forget "FCC,ARRL- how to love 'em or hate 'em with detailed instructions for fileing a operation complaint against that QRM jammer that will make it to the top of the pile". I am sure they will be best sellers of the ARRL membership-old ham group.

I hear Wayne Greens group is rushing to coming out with a new book called " TOLD YOU SO" ($1.95 PAPERBACK that is made from flameproof non-rippable paper, shipping and handling included)

10-4, 10-8 and 10-10 (smile)
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC5NYJ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
" something no coders will never know"

I'd bet you'll never know the excitement of making a voice and packet contact with R0MIR on an Alinco DJ-S11t.
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"QRZDXR"...? Wow, that must have taken some kind of herculean effort to try and string that many words together. I've stopped laughing now, but I really think that everyone who read your post (s) is really laughing AT you and not with you. Grow up!! (lid!)

(BTW, "lid" is an acronym for someone who shows much less than average intelligence. And that's my take on "lid" without being "politically incorrect".)


 
The Code - No Code War is over!  
by AI2IA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
As the moaning and wails fade away, Morse Code will take its place as an equal among the other modes of FM, AM, USB, LSB, and CW. This is where it now belongs. If you wish to use it, use it. If you wish to learn it and use it, you are free to do so.

No more will Morse Code be used as a paddle on those who want to upgrade to General or Amateur Extra Class.

All will be okay as long as the written tests continue to demand a working knowledge of the radio rules and regulations, and radio communications theory and operating practice. It is time to move on!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB3MMX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
**I think this is a big step forward in getting new hams into Amateur radio. Most that get started want to get into HF, but the CW hurdle limits them to the VHF and up world only.

>>>I wish the CW would have been kept for the "EXTRA" class at least!!!!
An "EXTRA" class really doesn't carry too much weight with the current requirements after knowing a few that don't even understand basic electrical theory. That really says something about the written test that can be memorized, 800 questions or not!


Now.....if we could only get some more elbow room on the bands, especially 17 meters!!!
 
Technology marches on  
by AE6RO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
You know what? When I first thought about being a ham, you could work 2 meter voice with a Novice. So, not wanting to learn the code, I bought a 2 meter HW-30 "Benton Harbor Lunchbox". By the time I built it (and Heath debugged it), Novices could operate CW only.
So I HAD to learn the Code. But I'm glad I did because I enjoy CW operation and find voice kind of a bore. It's hard to know what to talk about with people you just met. CW has lots of technical advantages compared to any other mode.
Now no-one HAS to learn the code so no-one will. Once our generation is gone there won't be any more CW ops because the kiddies won't bother to learn it. Precisely because there are so many easier choices besides ham radio.
As far as keeping out the riffraff, all they gotta do is memorize the multiple guess questions and spew it back for their license. So all you'll keep out is people with memory issues.
Guess it comes back to the march of technology. You buy a cell phone or you buy a Yaekencom, what's the difference exept cost?
The only way to ensure the future of CW is to teach our own children--force them to learn it if we have to. 73, AE6RO
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K2LES on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I take offense to you "elite" folks with our Extra or Advanced tickets tagging us lowly NCT's as glorified CB'ers ready to wreak havoc on the bands.

Let me tell you this. I do a lot of driving and when it came down to friendly/helpful people - Ch 19 on the CB radio was where I found it. Driving through rural areas in the winter the simplex freq's on 2 meters were dead and I wasn't about to go up and down the band looking for a repeater with someone who probably has no clue as to what road conditions are. So instead, power up the CB - "hey southbound you got it going on?" and they'll tell you what's going on... road conditions, where the cops are hiding out, etc. When it comes to that - ham radio doesn't even come close. If that means enduring a trucker with "peaked" rig, a super-gain echo mic with roger beep, then so be it.
 
RE: Technology marches on  
by KC5NYJ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"As far as keeping out the riffraff, all they gotta do is memorize the multiple guess questions "

And CW is what? Rote memorization. Case closed.
 
RE: Technology marches on  
by AE6RO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Uh, uh. Learning the Morse for each character is memorization, yes. But using the Code to communicate takes practice and skill.
No-one's going to ask you for "what's the letter A?"
You have to know what the letters are as you hear them. How to keep track of them so they make words.
Not so easy or everyone would be doing it! 73, AE6RO
 
RE: Technology marches on  
by VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KC5NYJ writes:

And CW is what? Rote memorization. Case closed.

SWISH!!

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with the morse being kept for extra but as for increasing the ranks we might not see it, cellphones make it to easy to use. As for me being a seaman for 30 plus years the morse was one of the main reason I got licensed years ago,when ships were required to use those hand crank cw rescue radios None of my fellow shipmates knew anything except flashing lights which all the mates use.
Yeah satellite technology is ok and cell phones are ok but when your at sea,most of the guys I knew used the Morse,as it was a better mode for them, they could hear the cw better than the ssb.
I seldom get near a rig at sea due to the technical rules of the FCC, but if I could I wouldlove to try out the morse alot.
I still believe the FCC should have kept it for the Extra class at 5wpm and not drop the requirements. But there is always those who will say you something for nothing. Let me fly a 747 and see how far that would get in the world,especially without a license.
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by K1CJS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I said it before, I'll say it again:

"Mike, or Mr. QRZDXR: You are soooooo funny.......
Thanks for the good laugh!"

Your post just does not merit comment, for you are the one lacking --knowledge-- ! Keep it up, you've just proved to more people that you are pure 'lid', through and through.

Thanks again for the comedy routine.


 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by QRZDXR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"QRZDXR"...? Wow, that must have taken some kind of herculean effort to try and string that many words together. I've stopped laughing now, but I really think that everyone who read your post (s) is really laughing AT you and not with you. Grow up!! (lid!)

(BTW, "lid" is an acronym for someone who shows much less than average intelligence. And that's my take on "lid" without being "politically incorrect".)

---------------------------------------------------

You confirm my worst speculation== talk about a lid if that is what I might be what do you call yourself -fruitcake
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KC2WI on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I think it was inevitable. The international CW requirement disappeared some time ago and many other countries have dropped it. I don't have a problem with eliminating the CW requirement, because while it is interesting and useful, it is no different than any other mode. Applicants don't have to demonstrate operating 'proficiency' in voice, packet, PSK-31, amtor, or any other mode. So why CW?

What they should have to demonstrate is a really good understanding of the fundamentals, both rules and electrical/ electronics/ communications theory as well as basic awareness of emergency communications procedures. Memorizing the answers to 500 questions with no real understanding does not so demonstrate, as is obvious if you listen to many licensed operators now on the air.

If you argue that learning CW even if you never intend to use it demonstrates dedication and is a good filter, I can counter that for many people, learning CW is easy compared to the theory, or memorizing 500 questions. If you have musical ability and good hearing, and know how to spell, then learning CW is probably easy compared to learning all the "math and obscure stuff." I know people who have memorized their way to Extra. I hate memorization so I think I would find it as easy to just learn the code. In actuality I am interested in the theory so that argument doesn't apply, but I could think of some other situations where it might. For example, I just want to learn to fly an airplane. I'm only going to fly out of my own field and around the rural area in my little piper cub on nice days in the summer. Why should I have to learn all this stuff about cross country navigation, charts, omni beacons, etc., etc. In reality, a person could be a very good pilot if they have the 'knack' without knowing much theory at all. Or they could be a lousy pilot but be an expert at aeronautics. Same thing with CW. A talented 8 year old could do perfect code at 20 WPM but that does not mean they understand enough about radio to be a ham.

As far as Technicians now having CW privileges, they only have voice priviliges on 28.3-28.5. This is 200KHz out of 1.7MHz, so it is not possible that even the 10M band will be "overrun" by tech licencees. And if they want to use any other HF band, they'll have to learn CW, or upgrade to General.

As far as replacing CW with some other 'filter' to 'keep the CBers out' (and I use that expression figuratively - there are many good law-abiding people using CB)I can agree that there has to be resonable qualifications. As I mentioned befor, make the written test somewhat harder. Just ewliminate the ability to completely memorize a bunch of published questions.

regarding more users on the bands/use it or lose it, more is not necessarily better and does not necessarily justify keeping the frequency allocations. While I do believe the public has a right to use *some* radio spectrum, arguing that they should be given a lot of 'valuable' spectrum for purely recreational purposes is not going to cut it. On the other hand, if a general benefit could be shown (for example, as described in the part 97 "basis and Purpose" wording) then hams have a good argument.

One thing foremost in the minds of the public and government officials nowadays is public safety and disaster response, and there is no question that amateur radio has the potential to help.

Here's the problem as I see it. There is a significant segment of the amateur radio population who are not interested in serious emergency communications and don't think they have any obligation to do any training or provide any service. They view amateur radio strictly as a hobby and feel they have the right to use the airwaves whether or not they participate in emcomm or any other public service activity. They make the argument that the radio spectrum "owned" or controlled by the government is no different than a national park. Just read the eHam.net forums for a while especially the responses to the articles about emergency and public safety comms and you will see this attitude.

I can agree to a point, but in practical terms, the spectrum is valuable real estate and unlike a national park is used by relatively a few citizens. The public is not clamoring for access and indeed in most cases is not even aware of it. So I think that a relatively few people saying they should be able to use radio spectrum for purely recreational use is not going to cut it in terms of keeping our frequency allocations. On the other hand, if the value to the public of amateur radio emcomm is in fact there and is recognized by the public and the government, we have a good chance of keeping it.

One topic that could be added to tests to replace the loss of CW as a difficulty factor is emergency communications, ICS, and so on.


 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by AE6RO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
QRTDXR: I see your spelling has improved. Now that you don't have to learn The Code, maybe we'll catch you on 75 some night?
But seriously, I used to worry about BPL but it's a dead duck now. The utilities don't have the bucks to improve their infrastructure to accomodate it. Not only that, but there are HF users besides hams who have more clout. Like airlines, FM broadcasters, and maybe even the NTIA. It's the money that will do BPL in
And stop insulting the League. AE6RO
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N5UNG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
God bless initial comments from K3NG!
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K0PG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Much of my activity is done on the weak signal modes on the VHF+ bands. On those bands we see many folks who are code free or old-fashioned 5 wpm techs. In many cases they are more technically savvy than I am --an FCC tested 20wpm Extra.
An interesting part of this CW discussion is that in many cases on VHF+, given changes in propagation, CW comes in really handy. Many of the Technicians of both varieties have learned CW well enough to complete QSOs because it helps under marginal conditions or during Aurora copenings.

I would like to think that many of these fine operators will upgrade and move on to the HF bands. Their presence will not hurt anything, and will probably help make things better. If we can attract more operators who are drawn to the service because of the abilities to engange in wolrdwide communication with the internet or a satellite I think it will be a good thing.
73, K0PG
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KI4PEQ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
So you're upset that the code requirement was dropped. The new hams will not be worthy of the title in your eyes. No-coders can barely read, hillbilly operation will now commence.

All fine sentiments. And all of them are divisive.

CW is not dead. It has not been banned. Use it if you want, just as you could use digital modes, voice, or amateur TV.

There is a ham on another forum who really gives the 4 and 5 landers a hard time, calling us hicks and hillbillies. I'm college educated, a military veteran, and a family man. I have most of my teeth, and I live in a house.

But because I didn't run the gauntlet of 13 wpm, didn't take my amateur test in front of a FCC examiner, and don't use a boat anchor, to some I am not a real ham.

Enough with the bitterness. If CW was BANNED, I think that would be a legitimate gripe. I would protest along with you, as I have been studying code for months in between the ever frequent crisis du jour.

This could be a shot in the arm for amateur radio, and there are old-timers threatening to leave the hobby and sell their rigs. I can use some more radio equipment, I have a whole room to fill. Bring it on.

I will use CW eventually. I find it interesting. But I would like to use OTHER digital modes on HF, as well as phone privileges. The filter of CW requirements was nothing more than to keep the so-called "riff-raff" out, be honest.

And I HAVE sat in front of an FCC examiner, earned two college degrees and certification in computer networks. A "hillbilly" or "slacker" I am not.

Elmer the newcomers, get them passionate about CW if you really enjoy the mode. But ADVANCING the radio art is what we are supposed to be about. Some of the best and brightest minds out there can pass the theory and rules tests, but have stumbled on the CW requirement. I hope to hear new voices on the HF bands by spring.

Think positive, not negative. This is a good thing.
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by QRZDXR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AE6RO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
QRTDXR: I see your spelling has improved. Now that you don't have to learn The Code, maybe we'll catch you on 75 some night?
But seriously, I used to worry about BPL but it's a dead duck now. The utilities don't have the bucks to improve their infrastructure to accomodate it. Not only that, but there are HF users besides hams who have more clout. Like airlines, FM broadcasters, and maybe even the NTIA. It's the money that will do BPL in
And stop insulting the League. AE6RO

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Hey according to the fruitcake I don't have a license so how can I catch you on 75? (what freq would you like to pick?) He couldn't be wrong could he? I wouldn't think he would come on the web lie to the whole world now would he?. He knows all--he couldn't be that deranged!! think of the humilation that will bring!!! after calling someone a lid too...

We shall see about the BPL issue -- won't we... and when it does-- do you want me to personally send you a note let you know you were wrong here or just smile at you? big bucks are behind it... and the FCC has said it will not fail.. hmmm anything will happen.

What league - oh you mean the joke of the week (the biased,discrimitory and sex's ARRL ham band killer) doings!! naw they deserve it and have for a long time. No doubt true leadership of the hobby.
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by URBANGORILLA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Why? Hasn't the "League" earned the derision that hams in the know heap upon it? The "League" is the 2nd most corrupt entity in the United States, second only to the US Gov't.

Do you have a vested interest in your beloved ARRL? Maybe you are one of those yacht-sailing yuppies that has a vested interest in WL2K. Or maybe you are on the "League's" BoD. Or maybe you are one of the fools that sank your life savings into a life membership. Or maybe just one of the ARRL's cult members that would follow the League off a cliff. Their leader commands you to jump and you ask "how high?"

Friday, December 15, 2006 shall go down in ham history as "Black Friday". It is the beginning of the end for ham radio as we know it. I better start checking the bottom of each box of Corn Flakes that I finish before I throw out the box. There may be ham licenses in there. The Kellogg Company could use Tony the Tiger to promote ham radio. "It's GRRREAT!"

73
UG
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It might not help but the only suggestion here is write there complaints about this decision to the FCC and to ARRL. Maybe it will give a better feeling.
But to me its a big dissappointment on the decision as I still wish they should have kept the Extra class as for code. But who knows we might lose some members anyways by this..
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6AJR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
we have no choice over the tests. We take the test required at the time. not our choice, but the choice of the FCC.



If you don't want to learn the code, then don't. I really don't care, I have been an extra for years and it is a moot point to me. Do as you wish.

If you want to learn the code, check out G4FON.net , a good way to learn at a useable speed.


use it or don't use it.


but get on the air and work sombody.


its called ham radio, not ham internet


now go put up a fan dipole and get some DX




http://www.ku4ay.net/dipole.html
http://www.qsl.net/kd7rem/antdipole.htm
http://www.hamuniverse.com/multidipole.html
http://www.angelfire.com/nb/ni4l/ni4ldipole.html
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/9611073.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/2banddipole.html
http://www.qsl.net/na4it/fandipole.html

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6AJR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
we have no choice over the tests. We take the test required at the time. not our choice, but the choice of the FCC.



If you don't want to learn the code, then don't. I really don't care, I have been an extra for years and it is a moot point to me. Do as you wish.

If you want to learn the code, check out G4FON.net , a good way to learn at a useable speed.


use it or don't use it.


but get on the air and work sombody.


its called ham radio, not ham internet


now go put up a fan dipole and get some DX




http://www.ku4ay.net/dipole.html
http://www.qsl.net/kd7rem/antdipole.htm
http://www.hamuniverse.com/multidipole.html
http://www.angelfire.com/nb/ni4l/ni4ldipole.html
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/9611073.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/2banddipole.html
http://www.qsl.net/na4it/fandipole.html

 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KB9RZR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It's about time.

I'm a long time ham who had never been able to pick up code. maybe i'm stupid... or maybe it's the tinnitus. or the years of having stuff go bang, boom, or get blown up while working for uncle sam? either way, many (most?) of the older elmer types simply scoff at the notion that someone cannot learn code... it's the old "i had to do it, and so do you" or "in my day..." I guess the industry and the FCC finally figured out all those guys are dying off and they need new blood if the industry is to survive. I don’t for a second believe it is the dumbing down of anything – the FCC is pretty righteous about enforcement and they still aren’t handing out licenses. You have to spend a lot of time & effort in studying theory in order to get a ticket with higher privileges.

Morse code as a requirement for a ticket is complete farce and has been for the last twenty years. I can't imagine how many people who were interested in the hobby have been turned off by the code requirement. I’m not saying Morse doesn’t have a place and it’s not an exciting thing for some people – and I can imagine there are some very limited (but probably not real world) circumstances in which that is the only way to communicate.

good riddance.

n2dan
:)
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KG4IQB on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
10-4 good buddy!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Just write to the ARRL Or FCC a file the complaint if they even care to listen as its like being in a Union,its the voice of the memers who need to make there voices heard.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W8LV on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I am an Extra and a CW QRP OP at that. But I am GLAD that the CW requirement has been dropped.

I do think, though that the supposed "Death of CW" is being greatly exaggerated.

There will still always be those who want to learn Morse code, and we will still be conversing with our straight keys, and our paddles, and our Blue Racers....

So you other guys out there, all of the best to you from W8LV this season!

And, in your exploration of the many facets of our radio hobby, maybe sometime you will be interested in joining us and conversing in a little CW!

So let's all have a little fun this weekend!
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W8RAN on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hopefully we can help and welcome the new people that pass the elements 3 and 4 into the hf spectrum. I have spoken with many of the newer no code hams from other countries. They all seem very nice. I believe it will help assure the use and future of ham radio.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I had a few wannabe into the Ham world who always thought Ham was an overated CB band and it took alot of convincing that it wasn't, of course they probably laugh since you have to do the morse testing any more..
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WR8D on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Ref KF0K: After reading my own rant and then the rest of this thread i've got to admit you put into words perfectly what really needed to be said. I'll be nice to them and try to help them, then after a few months of their crap i'll just do like i do and jump in with both feet. Riley may have to hire a helper! Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays to all. John WR8D
 
RE: The Code - No Code War is over!  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well I always wanted to fly an airplane without taking the test too but the world would laugh at that one..or then again maybe the FAA would say go ahead you dont need to take an exam on it.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KA2NDX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
CW Rules.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KD2KU on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Oh so many people pleased.

Oh so many people upset.

I could care less :-)

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by QRZDXR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Just write to the ARRL Or FCC a file the complaint if they even care to listen as its like being in a Union,its the voice of the memers who need to make there voices heard.
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Where you been. They did have comment time and the response was-- overwelming to keep the CW section of the test. They listened and then acted the way they wanted. It does no good to point that out. They just point to the other guy and say "he did it"

First the ARRL proposed the band plan. When the FCC approved it and made it happen-- suddenly the people on 75 said "WHAT YOU SAY"

then like a deer caught in the headlights with a mac truck bearing down-- the ARRL suddenly had to go back and tell the FCC to hold up--it was wrong. The FCC said "SAY WHAT!!!" you said to do it in the first place and now your saying don't do it!! Makes them wonder what type of leadership and nuts are running the ARRL.
Clearly they got egg on their face and now have to go figure out how to save face and get some changes back in.

Like Al Gore its a flip-flop management process that is kinda laughable till you figure out that it really insulted even a lot of their members who spent the time to respond to the NPRM of which 85% said keep the code for testing as goal setting measure. Did the ARRL do that? No instead they came up with a restructuring of the bands to accomidate the plan behind closed doors (little known to the members) upcoming planed wave of new hams they expect when they got the no-code through.

Instead they may lose more than they gain in the end. Now you still think the ARRL is your friend. Name me 5 areas that they have helped local hams out with city ordances and tower issues, antennas or any other problem the struggling ham has facing him. NONE- didn't think so. They enjoy the ivy coverd ham shack that others have given so much to in hopes of having some representation that is the voice of the masses. Instead they get political corruption and as we have said all along-- its all about the money folks-- someday it will dawn on the rest of 'em that are blindsided who defend this empire of the Gods of radio (ARRL) that this orginization didn't do a thing to help 'em even after they gave their all.

No I don't feel angry at the ARRL or the FCC they did and respond to pressures generated by the special intrest groups--not U and I. I just think it will be interesting to see where ham radio goes (Newsline last week had 9 min devoted to other things and 4 min to ham radio issues.)

Me personally -- I have invested this year in the computer and its systems. I don't feel like spending money on things that are going to be problems in the future. I lowered my inventory of ham radio gear over 2 years ago and now have no regrets. Times are a changing and so do peoples hobby's, mine included. Its tough to give up something you feel well accustom to and see it degraded to nothing. But, I also am interested in where its going and to see how its going to try and survive.

History has shown that everytime the ARRL does one of these stunts it loses more than it gains in active members. (What school, kid, or doctor has promoted ham radio?) Most hams are so self centered that they won't help others to promote their hobby as a good one. Instead when I asked others, they felt emabarassed at the way its turned out and would not suggest to a younger person that they go into it.. No they instead surprised me with ... its no good anymore. I wouldn't let my kids play with it. Nor would they help ones that have shown up which have a interest in it. Instead they have promoted the computer, cell phone and other hobby's that are more healthy and productive.

I know a lot are going to light up the blow torch and flame because of this but, its the truth. (look at the numbers of young people vs the others leaving) How many are active on the air hams that get a license and then tire of the mundane and harrassment. Would you go for over 75%?

Its a industry driven by big bux folks. Never forget it. You don't matter after the sale is over. The ARRL will sell you anything you want to hear.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KD5ALU on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The sky is falling. The sky is falling.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WY3X on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I asked for some new radio stuff for Christmas. Instead, the FCC chose to put a flaming bag of dog poop on my doorstep, ring the doorbell, and run!!! JEEEEEZZZZ!!!!

-KR4WM
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WR8D on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Ref KE4WBQ Melissa: None of this either on these threads or on the air has ever been directed at fine people like you and your husband. By reading all this junk you've gotten caught up in this mess that's been going on for several years now. You said word for word exactly what i've said here many times about character of an individual and code. Our hobby needs new young folks and older folks with "character". We have enough weirdo's already on hf without bringing in the dregs of cb so please never think any comment you've read or heard on hf has ever been directed at the type of good people you seem to be. I would be glad to work both of you on any hf freq you're licensed to operate on. What one says on these threads, how one acts here and on the air is what defines their character. What we actually hear on hf and the repeaters coming from an individuals mouth is what gives the rest of us an indication about the character of the operator on the other end. Seems there's a lot in recent years with very little "character". I only hope after this there's not more of them showing up. 73 Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays down that way. John WR8D
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KD2KU on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I read the whole news release- it included this statement:

The current amateur service operator license structure contains three classes of amateur radio operator licenses: Technician Class, General Class, and Amateur Extra Class.

hmm... no mention of the Advanced Class.

Could this be a hint those of us in Advanced limbo will be grandfathered to Extra?

ooooh :-)

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W4SK on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Gimme gimme gimme.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K6CU on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I would suggest to any of the new "no code" licence holders that they add CW to their list of things to learn and do.

The cw spectrum offers many interesting contacts, to say nothing of the DX that is available. In fact, the two biggest DX contests generally have more CW participants than they have on SSB.

There are many different modes of operation, and CW is just one of them.

So don't limit yourself just because it's not "required". Do it because it adds to your skillset and overall enjoyment of the hobby.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well I in particular sent a email already at this situation and in my emails I told em my feeligns against there decision. I am know there is always the chance it might not change anything,in my own opinion the FCC doesn't probably give a hoot at what the ARRL says along with any of us.
Its like sending letters to the President towards some new law he passes or voting whether your against something like the war<as an example>, I have sent many a letter to some politicans about items I didn't agree on.
I am not saying the Morse thing is going away, but I feel if you voice a complaint about it like to ARRL,and mention certain comments like the loss of Hams who I met who dropped out of this because the changes in the morse world it might wake em up.
Those cellphones might be good close to land like off California,but out in the middle of the ocean just doesn't cut it,even if its Satellite phone as there expensive to use.
My comment to em is that they should have kept the 5 wpm for the extra at least.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WR8D on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Someone up the thread mentioned something about NCT being thought of as foul mouthed ignorant cbers. Hum, depending on where you live, honestly that's exactly how they are. If you need proof just drive by my part of the country. I'm not an elite extra either. I've just enjoyed 20+ years of great hamming and hope to have about 35 more. Speaking for respectful amateurs, we just don't want to see it all go to pieces because it's being "give" to you. If one earns something they think more of it. A lack of respect toward other hams and a lack of respect toward part 97 rules and regs will make you really popular fast. I just have a feeling many are going to just try to see just how far and how much they can get away with. We'll be waiting. All it takes is a little recording on a cd with a freq and timestamp and off to Riley it goes. About three days later a certified letter comes in the mail just for you. Try it, i betcha won't like it. JB WR8D
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I just love freebies too but I doubt the FCC would ever just hand me my Extra..as they did in Upgrading others from one to the other..
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W5AU on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
All the FCC did is punish the Ham Radio Community for fighting so hard against BPL. The easiest way to destroy us is to keep dumbing us down down, down, down, down, down, d o w n, and the hobby will self destruct...... They know it, we know it. There are NO winners in this except the FCC. We have grown to be too big a pain in the rear for them so they will let us destroy ourselves from within.




 
They will memorize all the test questions!  
by AI2IA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Attention all gloom and doom hams! Now that the Code - No Code debate has been totally demolished, it is time to organize around the overwhelming dire fact that newbies will memorize all the answers to all the questions in General Class and Amateur Extra Class question pools. You all know how easy it is to do this, since all of you did this yourselves. Of course you don't have to tell everyone about your memorization, just concentrate on how bad it will be when all the newbies use their memory skills to pass the exams and flood the airwaves with their fumbling practices. Yes, indeed, the end of amateur radio is near, almost upon us.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KI4OGD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Anyone know where and when the last element 1 exam will be administered? I want to take it before they remove it.

I definitely don't think that Morse will die, but I think it will take on a new form. New CW ops will use computer programs to send and recieve the code, as was already described, it will soon be just like any other mode, but with a twist. Those same ops will find out that the mode they are using to send messages via computer is able to be sent manually, either by seeing the code sent this way, finding a key, or hearing the variations in the tone lengths of manual code. They will be intrigued to learn the code and send CW manually. They will discover the history of manual CW and want to continue that history.

Code won't go anywhere. it is still the most efficient mode on HF, just try using a PC program with someone to send and recieve high speed code (<60 wpm), it flows almost like speech, and is almost hard to follow directly. It's a heckuva lot faster than PSK, and yet it's a smaller bandwidth.

It is those two things, history and efficiency, that will make CW stay the pinnacle digital mode, even after those that elmered my generation leave radio, either SK or otherwise.

BTW, I'm 18, and have a genuine intrest to learn what I need to know to operate effectively, and to contribute positively to a historic and important service. I doubt I'm the only one of my generation with this intrest.

73 and see you on HF
KI4OGD/AG
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W7LV on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>>> 20-WPM FCC tested, and still darn proud of the accomplishment

T-2 Commercial Radiotelegraph Operator (w/ 6 months' Sea Service Endorsement), 122 characters straight text with no errors for the Engineer-in-Charge, at age 40, and just downright snobbish about it.

It is SO unfair that the FCC has that useless 25 WPM requirement keeping me from getting First Class Radiotelegraph Operator.

That said, I think dropping the CW speed to 5 WPM made the bar so low that even snails could vault it. At 5 WPM, one can literally write down the dits and dahs.

Now that the CW requirement is gone, I want to see a veritable FLOOD of Excellent, Technically Competent, Highly-motivated individuals rush into the Hobby.

After all, it was just that "unfair CW thing" keeping so many almost-Nobel laureates on VHF and CB, wasn't it?

What's next, anyway...mandatory Metric system?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KI4PEQ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!



http://www.ku4ay.net/dipole.html
http://www.qsl.net/kd7rem/antdipole.htm
http://www.hamuniverse.com/multidipole.html
http://www.angelfire.com/nb/ni4l/ni4ldipole.html
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/9611073.pdf
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/2banddipole.html
http://www.qsl.net/na4it/fandipole.html
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A post with some USEFUL information instead of the same old griping and complaining...AT LAST! I'd like to see ten more posts similar to this one than one more griping about the elimination of the Morse requirement.

Anybody can bitch and moan. REAL HAMS ensure the growth of the service by actually taking action to better our fellow amateurs, especially newcomers.

My club held it's Christmas dinner tonight. I took my XYL and daughter with me. BOTH OF THEM are excited about study for the Tech class and beyond. It's hard to impress a teenager, but my daughter is impressed. The spouse sees what a blast I am having and wants to get in on the fun. The code requirement was scary to them. They may or may not learn it.

There is a straight key at my desk and I practice, That key is the only thing in my shack that would be considered "old time" or "quaint". Just because the code requirement has been dropped does not mean that Tech class amateurs will not learn or use CW. There are a lot of brass pounders out there, and I think by not learning the code I am selling myself short. I have the technical ability for the General and possibly the Extra class, without "memorizing the questions" I didn't even consider memorization as an option. Understanding the principles and concepts and putting them to use is important. I will be a better amateur for doing so, just as I will by learning Morse.

Please don't consider all Techs to be a lower form of life form. The vast majority of us do NOT want something for nothing.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by VA6SZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Don't get me started on the Metric system...

(Peter Griffen - a Family Guy)
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KI4PEQ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Has anyone noticed how the board truncates the title of this thread?

"RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice"

Mere quirk of the board or a unintentional dig at the Technician Class?

You decide. I observe.
 
RE: History?  
by K4UUG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
by W5CPT on December 16, 2006
"To K4UUG and all with that attitude:
You may hold a licence issued by the FCC to operate on the Amateur Bands, but you will never be a HAM..... Clint - W5CPT"

AW SHUCKS GEE WIZ W5CPT I AM NOT FEELING THE LOVE HERE !

SNIVILE CRY BEAT THE DEAD HORSE DEAD. THE CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE AND NOT A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT BUT PISS AND MOAN SNIVIL AND CRY AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. NEXT MONTH I WILL ADVANCE TO EXTRA CLASS AND HAVE THE THE SAME OPERATING FREQS AS ANY OTHER EXTRA. You are right I will never be a ham like YOU!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AB8RI on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I really do not see the big deal. I had to pass the code for my license, but I don't feel that others should have to pass it, just because I did. And even though I only passed the 5 WPM test, I do not consider myself to be an "Extra Lite", or any less of an operator that passed the 20 WPM test. Although I do have great respect for the ops that can copy and send 20+ WPM!

The last I checked, this was a hobby... not a job or duty. I fully agree that there should be written tests that cover theory and the FCC rules.
However, why force someone to learn something that they have no interest in?

It's like requiring a singer to learn piano or some other instrument before they can join a band. And would learning the piano make that person a better singer? More well rounded sure.... but not a better singer.

To me, CW is just another mode of operation. It will never die, and hopefully there will always be portions of the bands that are reserved for CW.

Louis
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WB4QNG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This should not have been a surprise to anyone. When the international powers droped it we all knew the US would follow sooner or later. While I thought they should have kept the 13WPM they didn't and that was that.
What does it mean. I remember when they did away with the code for the Tech all the predictions of how two meters was going to be another CB. Well I think I can get into 15 or more repeaters in my area and for hours I hear nothing. There is less activity on 2 meters now than before they droped the code. I don't think this will increase the number of hams much at all. I do think your will see a sizable number of Tech's upgrading to General. How many? Much less than many believe. I think out of the 260,000 Tech you will be lucky if 50,000 upgrade in the next year. Then all the fuss will be over. I believe this because we have a 100,000 hams that are either novices are tech+ who never upgraded. As for as CW you won't see any decrease in activity in the near future but I don't see many new hams learning it either. I believe the FCC will continue to cut the CW portions of the bands and increase the phone portions. Ham radio will die when all us old men die. I don't think this is going to help or hurt it. Just my two cents worth and only time will tell.
Terry
WB4QNG
 
RE: They will memorize all the test questions!  
by KE6OUD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Yes Virginia, There IS a Santa Clause......
 
RE: New question to debate!!!  
by KC2PRZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
If the morse requirements drop I know over 100 18-25 year olds that would get general licenses. I could get all my friends involved because then we could talk distance during the day. I need HF to stay an active ham. If I leave my current area I lose what attaches me to the ham world. I am actively trying to learn CW, but even with 4 hours 3-5 days a week I don't even know the entire alphabet (20/26) or punctuation (3/7). Though I do know numbers (but those are easy. This is what it coems down to from what I have seen. If you want HAM radio to last in this world you need to get rid of code. Heck I don't care if the written gets harder as long as code is not a forced action.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KLEMM on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Do you know what the shame of all this is ? It is that people, that had the code under there belt before the FCC ruled on this will belittle others that are Generals without the code under there belt. I have allready read this here.
Why the bitterness? Change happens. The code as a requirement has been dropped by most countries now.
Here I have read that the flood gates are open and calling fellow hams CBrs. I am a no code General and take pride in being a ham, like thousands of others that haven't passed cw. Everyone I know on the upper bands are great people and will be great on the lower bands.
If you don't like the change don't take it out on people that love Amateur radio. And please stop the insults.
K7VIN VINNY K7VINNY@AOL.COM
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3ETA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
If something is free or easy. It tends not to be valued as highly as something you had to put some time and effort into. Be prepared for more Ill manners and childish acts and I don't think age has anything to do with it. Some of the worse offenders now are not youngsters they just act that way. I hear people say they've waited for years for the code requirments to be removed....Why not spend just a little of that time and learn the code its not that hard for god sakes its only 5 WPM. I hope I'm wrong about the ramifications of the FCCs latest questionable move. But I doubt it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3GWG on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Amateurs, et alia:

I believe it has been forgotten (through the discourse on the instant thread) that not only is Amateur Radio a hobby, but also as is stated in 97.1(a) “Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications”, a mechanism for the FCC, and the US Government in general to have technically trained radio operators available for emergent situations.

That said, there was a time when CW operation was key to ships at sea during wartime, and other governmental communications needs; however, now, in today’s times with more persistent and high tech solutions (such as data modes) the need for the availability of increased numbers of CW operators, as well as the legalistic need to be compliant with international treaty language concerning mandatory CW proficiency has evaporated and the government is responding in kind.

Several years ago the requisite for CW was also removed from the commercial licensure side of the house, and given an international legal stance asserting the capability to enact this decision, I think the timing is right.

It is however notable that I do believe we can better test, and as well encourage the growth of technical knowledge within Amateur Radio by moving back to an increase in licensure tiers, and breaking down the testing structure using several additional exams.

Lastly, nothing prevents the ARRL from continuing to test CW mode proficiency at ARRL testing sessions and publishing those results on their website, it just is no longer a legalist requisite for US licensure in the Amateur Radio Service.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W7ETA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Just when life was getting boring, along comes the whopper of all I HATE CW threads.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB3NOV on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hi,
Well I'm still working on my code. Not there yet, but getting close. I do want to do code, and here is something I'm pondering. There are code segments of the bands. Would people still have to pass a code test to have access to these segments ?. Or just start pounding brass at whever speed you can do. Perhaps there till now be General, general+code, extra, extra+code. One thing is for sure, the sales of HF phone rigs will increase.


_ _ 000 000_ _


Jennifer
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I can hear the power echo mikes now..LOL
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K8MHZ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The HF bands are useless right now. Have been for over a day. Is God punishing us for doing something stupid?

(runs for cover)
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC8VWM on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Did you check to see if your antenna was still connected?

:)
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"There are code segments of the bands. Would people still have to pass a code test to have access to these segments ?. Or just start pounding brass at whever speed you can do."

When then element one test is removed, there will be NO code test required--even for the code segments of the bands. If you know morse code you'll be able to go there whether or not you've got code certification.

Now, maybe I'll run for cover! ;-)
 
Spark-gap Off The Air due to International Treaty.  
by N2OMU on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
When that news came out,I wonder if the Pros were having to defend themselfs, and the Cons were mad because they had a stockpile of Ford Model T Spark Coils that they couldn't use or sell.

Long Live Spark Gap!!!

N2OMU
 
RE: Spark-gap Off The Air due to International Tre  
by KX8N on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Well I always wanted to fly an airplane without taking the test too but the world would laugh at that one.."

Yeah, but we're not talking about getting a license to do something that could potentially kill people, we are talking about getting a license to TALK.

And we're not talking about not taking a test, we are talking about not taking a test over a certain mode. Those on SSB did not take a SSB test. Those using packet were not tested on their proficiency to operate packet. Those using SSTV did not pass a SSTV test. So why should CW be the one mode you ARE tested on?

Doesn't matter, because the requirement is now gone. It's a totally moot point, because it's no longer up for debate.
 
RE: Spark-gap Off The Air due to International Tre  
by KX8N on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"When then element one test is removed, there will be NO code test required--even for the code segments of the bands. If you know morse code you'll be able to go there whether or not you've got code certification.

Now, maybe I'll run for cover! ;-) "

No need to run for cover - that's totally true. Those who are able to operate CW can operate CW. Passing Element 1 did NOT guarantee that an operator could use CW by any stretch of the imagination. Copying one solid minute of copy, or answering 7 questions correctly hardly corresponded to knowing code. Trust me, I studied for TWO WEEKS and passed Element 1. Then I never touched CW again until recently.

Code isn't going anywhere. It's the same as it's always been - those who like it will use it, those who don't will not.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K0ZN on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

There is an old saying:

"Be careful about what you ask for.... you just might get it."

....well, you just got it!

....and what you got was a significant REDUCTION in the DIFFERENCE between Amateur Radio, CB and Freeband....

It will be most interesting to hear what the bands sound like in a few years as the sunspot cycle peaks.
My guess is that 10 Meters will be some kind of a "no man's land" between CB and ham radio.

73, K0ZN
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K4IA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC outsmarted everybody (or just blindly wandered into genius)

Now there is no longer a Novice license but Tech = Tech Plus and the only way for them to operate HF is on CW. (except for a small slice of 10 mtrs) What better way to learn?

I look forward to working them.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KK6NJ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

Well finally it is done no mater how everyone feels
it is done so lets make the best of it so if your
into cw use it pound the brass!but this paranoia
about cb lingo and operating practices alike is
pure speculation because cb is dead it is not 1976
it is 2006 going! our bands are dead as well!
our (trendy ham radio top forty) era was over when the
debut of the world wide web in 1995 and then cell
phones text messages playstation two,three,etc,came!

Once again i doubt there will be an cb invasion like
1976 there will be some riff raff like all social
enviroments,hobby,recreational,activities,alike
there is good and bad thats life it has been proven
that this morse code is more of an initiation,and
rank and file than keeping the riff raff out.

I doubt that you will have to wait overnight in line
camping out to take an ham test if you dont have one
or to purchase an ham rig,at your local candy store
its too late i think? will just have to see?
but there will be more operators on hf and more sales
but dont put an candel in the window as they say.

It certainly will not hurt us so encourage the
newcomers and put all this hazing rank and file to
rest its over!!!!all this i did it you have to too!
attitudes is antiquated and proven to be eneffective
to beneifit ham radio,all it is pride all these old
timer cw attitudes is pride!you have to pay your
dues is a bunch of bandini! as my mid seventies
high school electronics teacher would say!

But we still have an problem with our growth is
what we should be concerned about this continual
compeitition with cell phones direct connect etc!
but i believe that ham radio will survive even if
our operator population is low.So if you have been
waiting for this moment of change congratulations
and have fun happy high frequency time!




 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W5TD on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I fully agree that there should be written tests that cover theory and the FCC rules.
However, why force someone to learn something that they have no interest in?"

Now this is just a contradiction. Supposed I have no interest in electrical theory? Why force me to learn it just to pass the written test.

73s John W5TD
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K0MU on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Let's continue the discussion on 7.020.

Both sides are welcome.

Jay
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KF6BKA on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well sorry u feel that I didn't earn my license. I've spent 8 years in communications with the Air Force and 15 doing comms for search and rescue operations. I am very very sorry that I don't qualify because I do not wish to use code.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I dont the fight is over yet and your still gonna have alot of hurt feelings on both sides, as for those other comments I don't mind teaching it to those want to learn but still feel both the FCC and maybe the ARRL screwed those who still wanted the testing in place. I still believe the 5 wpm should have stayed in placed but the one's who don't like cw got there wishes.
There are gonna be many who will say there getting into it the easy way..for me I mentioned it before we could still lose Hams from this move..as has happened a few years ago when the FCC did the no code license.
 
RE: Spark-gap Off The Air due to International Tre  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I for one felt at the time of that comment that if there gonna hand out the license the easy way than just give me the Extra class for free,that way I don't have to take the test.
How many of us earned the license for the morse testing,its like there making it so easy,why bother even taking it,just go out and say to someone hey just give me. Sounds like its going a step opposit than and its not gonna please the one's who earned it.
 
RE: Spark-gap Off The Air due to International Tre  
by N6HPX on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
So many of us took the written test too and it got all that electronics stuff, but how many actually use it. Some might but might not. But still had to go for the written test.
I still believe it was better with the 5 wpm on the Extra, I took the 13 years ago but seldom use it. I felt like it wasn't that major of a problem. It just took a few weeks for me to go up.
 
RE: Spark-gap Off The Air due to International Tre  
by NS6Y_ on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
the dropping of the code requirement was just announced on the AM radio, on KGO which is one of the BIG stations in the US.

It was cited as finally being possible because it was no longer required by international treaty.

Thus it is an ITU decision not an FCC decision - I think the FCC would have dropped it 5 years ago if the ITU did.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W4JFR on December 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Experiences of severe social stress, alienation, oppression, and injustice, tend to give rise to certain psychological needs among the members of a community. The nature and intensity of the needs and, more specifically, the mechanism that the community chooses to reduce the intensity of such stress are strongly influenced by cultural and social factors.
Under severe, difficult conditions, for example, the need for physical safety and confidence in one’s ability to satisfy necessities, including food and shelter, are greatly heightened. The inability to take care of oneself and one’s family and to control the circumstances of one’s life greatly threatens the psychological self: the self-concept, values, beliefs, and ways of life of the individual and the group. When “their” group (family, clan, village, or other) is in chaos, or at least functioning poorly and unable to provide its members with protection and a feeling of security, then their self-concept will become threatened, because all people have strong needs to “defend their personal and societal self-concepts, or to improve on an already existing negative self-image.”
In a complementary way, a breakdown in the traditions and customary ways of life in a society profoundly challenges and threatens people’s assumptions; not only assumptions about their self-concept, but also their interpretation and assumptions about their world. Under such circumstances, lacking clear beliefs that help make sense and guide one’s relation to it, life becomes filled with uncertainty and anxiety. As a result, peoples’ traditional worldview and comprehension of reality become untenable and they will seek a “renewed comprehension of reality,” that is, a revitalization of their society.
Acute social crisis, in the form of perceived catastrophe, oppression, injustice and sociopolitical alienation can challenge identities. Groups come to feel that their collective self-concept is no longer viable. This, in turn, can precipitate a revitalization movement as a device for achieving a new identification – one that is feasible and capable of dealing with society’s problems. This new cultural identification may be characterized by (1) a resurrection and re-institutionalization of ancient socioeconomic ways, (2) the institutionalization of imported or newly invented ways, or, more likely, (3) the fusion of the old and the new. Nonetheless, the crisis is ultimately resolved “by a reaffirmation of identification with some definable cultural system.”
Human nature strives for identity based on two important components. First, one can achieve identity on the basis of a competent ability to achieve and maintain productive social and personal relations with others. Second, identity rests on a sense of structure that is created by our cognitive map. In other words, who we are becomes a function of a greater world of meaning, authority, and spirituality. As a result, when each of us is asked to characterize our identity “we describe how we are fixed in the social firmament: as believers in a religion, partisans of an ideology, natives of a certain region, among other cultural and political possibilities.” These affiliations delineate the borders of the world in which we live.
Until just a few years ago, those who studied politics paid little attention to the concept of identity. They assumed that it had very little relevance to the subject. Nonetheless, in the post-Cold War environment, the politics of identity have been thrust onto the front page of global events. Scholars have come to realize that political action inherently and fundamentally involves human identity. But, what is the nature of human identity? How can we relate the individual experience to that of the group, and, thus, the political?
The strength and stability of one’s personality rests on the effective formation of a satisfying and functioning identity. Identity is a fundamental component of the individual’s character and basic to the framework and stability of the personality.
It is a phenomenon that is not developed in a vacuum but, rather, in the collective experience of one’s ethnic, familial, communal, and national past. The foundation of a satisfying identity is a sense of trust that begins to form almost immediately following birth. Every individual possesses an innate need to internalize the behavior, mores, and attitudes of major individuals in his or her social milieu. It is this instinctual urge that sets the stage for identity formation. Further, once such identities have been established, there exists an equal human desire to both enhance and protect this identity, for the remainder of their life. What is critical here is the fact that given the same structural surroundings, there is an equivalent propensity for a group of individuals to create the same identity and to take on the same identity. In the same fashion, provided the same structural surroundings, there will be an equivalent propensity for members of the groups to enhance and protect their identities at the collective level. In this way, identity formation occurs simultaneously at the individual and group levels in very similar processes and very similar patterns.
The outcome of this is a social pattern in which those people who share a common identity will tend to act as one and possess the capability to mobilize for group action if provoked to do so. Such a process provides the foundation for political action. To take this one step further, if forced to, such a movement of commonly identified individuals will, if called upon to do so, utilize political violence to defend their common identity.
While one’s sense of identity is a state of mind it demands that there be a world of meaning that the psyche can make sense of. In other words, an identity cannot be formed in a sociopolitical void. It is a function of the sociopolitical and economic structure in which the individual and the group exist. For example, systems of social affiliation, such as religions, political loyalties, and ethnic ties, exert a significant influence on identity. As a result, identity is determined not simply by ego, or some conceptual sense of self, but by the necessary achievement of a sense of capability and reliability amid the dynamic demands of physical changes and the interchange of powerful social forces.
At a minimum, then, a basic requirement for a psychologically satisfying sense of well being is a secure sense of identity. In contrast, but equally of significance to the individual, is what happens when the individual’s identity loses its integral structure. Under such circumstances, it becomes very difficult, if not impossible for the ego to cope with the inevitable changes that social life brings. This lack of adaptive capacity to deal with the stress and difficulties associated with social change can lead to a significant personal disruption of one’s worldview. In response, there is a psychological necessity for the individual to craft an adaptive identification consistent with the context of his structural circumstance. This is always pursued within a group context. Eventually, the individual and the group must both enhance and defend such a crafted identity.
 
RE: Spark-gap Off The Air due to International Tre  
by KE7GOJ on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The ITU dropped the CW proficiency requirement in 2003, and left it up to the member states to determine how to resolve the issue. Compared to other industrialized nations, the FCC has been quite slow to act on this.

Also, it is hardly fair to blame the ARRL for this, since the ARRL wanted to retain the code testing requirement for extra class licenses, rather than eliminating the requirement altogether.

In other news, if you are going to require a proficiency test for CW, then why not also for Pactor, or WinLINk, or PSK31, RTTY, SSB, and so on? I know this had been mentioned before, but it seems important to me.

Now that Technician class licensees will have significantly more room to operate in CW, perhaps there will be an upsurge in CW use. Sure, that CW is going to be slow, but, in fact, practice, with both sending and receiving is needed for any real proficency anyway. The FCC long ago decided that if you could prove you could copy code at a specific speed, then you could also send code, so just "passing the 5WPM" didn't guarantee any particular level of experise.

Finally, although I am slightly disappointed that the decision came down efore I got to the point where I felt I had a realistic chance to pass the test, I think overall it will be a good thing. I had a personal challenge to pass Element 1 before the FCC ruled, and I didn't make it. Sadly, life intervened... hey that happens sometimes. I am still amazed at the vehemence and vitriol from the "preserve the code testing requirement at all costs" crowd, but, maybe I shouldn't be.

m2cw
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WA4NLW on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D you are right on with your post, I would just like to add NW NC. to your list, The good ole boy thing is running wild...... 73 Ray
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W8RAN on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Let's face it most people have memorized the test questions, not actually learned them. Should we change that and have everyone retest? Not everyone is "into" electronics. That is why that changed years ago. I work in electronics, but I also have other hobbies. I talk to hams about gardening and love world history. This makes for a well rounded ham. No pun intended. Listen on 75 and see what the talk is like. It's not good. SOME of the qso's are not ready for prime time. I welcome the new hams that will come. If you want to make an enemy of them they will cause you trouble. That is human nature. Treat them as equals and they will be fine. There is enough elitism in ham radio allready. As far as the cb noise toys, I thought I heard some on 20 meters allready. Was that a Behringer? Some people like wide hifi audio. That's ok with me. I like my station to sound nice for rag chew. I have helped several CBer's pass there element 2. I for one am proud of them. And myself. They are great to talk to. As I said treat the new no code hams badly and this will be a problem. Treat them as equals (unlike some hams on 20 and 75) and there will be a war. It's our choice. Most people rise to the expectation of there peers. I hope they listen in on 17 to learn etiquette, not 75.
 
RE: Spark-gap Off The Air due to International Tre  
by K4RAF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"...it is hardly fair to blame the ARRL for this, since the ARRL wanted to retain the code testing requirement for extra class licenses, rather than eliminating the requirement altogether..."

Yea, right. They were for retention before they were for elimination...

When will the ARRL drones ever get a clue what their game is?

Fact is, watch how they are for retaining for retaining EVERY CLASS of license before they are for a combined, all-inclusive license.

Follow the money...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K4FRC on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
...was that a Browning Eagle I heard? How's it be lookin over your donkey good buddy?
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by N0SAP on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Does not bother me. None of the newcomers operate where I do. Plus I can operate where ever I want to and the SSB boys can't. You old timers, time to come back to your roots. See you on the lower bands.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by N1DXM on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It had to happen eventually...The military and merchant marine services dropped the use of CW several years ago. Noone says that you can't use CW and many will continue to operate CW.. It really didn't make for better Hams anyway..all you had to do was to listen to some of the Extra class hams on the bands. I agree that maybe this will bring more hams into the community.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The No-Coders finally got what they have been wanting for....it's really up to them to prove that they deserve what they were NEVER able to EARN...the jury is out, and we will see...I suspect there will be a GREAT divide on the HF bands...there will be HF nets on the bands restricted exclusively to those that KNOW code...there will be folks that refuse to talk to the No-Coders....I actually hope I'm wrong, and the no-coders step up to the plate and learn and use good operating practices...but, if the 2 meter bands in my area are any indication of what it will be like on HF, then this is a sad day for ham radio
 
At the end of the day..  
by K6WHP on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Why do I think that the ultimate result of this action by the FCC will fall somewhere between the Nirvana described by its supporters and the Apacolypse predicted by its detractors?

Life goes on..
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KB1LSQ on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I got my Tech Lic. in 2004 since then I became a member of Skywarn and ARES. I like helping out and figured I would stay a TECH since I have no desire learning CODE. No problem staying on UHF and VHF with me. I recently became the EC for my local Chapter of ARES so I figure I am one of those people that will help the Ham radio community in education the public with what we can do. SO now the FCC drops the Code test Great! maybe I will try for the General Lic. and then again maybe not. After listening to some of you guys on 75 meters I think we all ready have a bunch of So Called "CBers" on the ham bands. Just wondering what you will call me if I do bother to get my General License? Since I never had a CB? Would like to know where all the hostility comes from. I can't believe you guys are still fighting over this. TIME TO MOVE ON !

Bill Glidden
KB1LSQ
EC GMARES
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by WB0UGO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
When I had to take a final test in motor control 2 it was in two parts. The first was a written test and the second was to build a circuit off a Ladder diagram. What would have happened if I said I just couldn't do the second part so you need to drop it so I can pass?
This is the mentality of many wanna be hams today. Drop what you have problems with. The CB crowd already ruined both ham clubs here. Now the ham bands. How Nice. I am really impressed.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
People, nothing is being said here that hasn't been said before. All the complaining in the world here or to the FCC or ARRL isn't going to change this. Predictions of doom and gloom are only going to come true if we let them. You have an opportunity here, an historic moment, that you can take advantage of. You can keep CW alive and well through your leadership. Or you can wreck amateur radio through your words and actions. Some of you appear to be intent on just killing amateur radio through infighting and encouraging hate and hostility.

If you're one of the people here spewing negativity, formulating conspiracy theories, thinking any less of amateur radio after this change, encouraging division of our ranks, making jabs at others, claiming your side has won *or* lost, insulting the new hams that will come in without the CW test, considering amateur radio to be coders versus no-coders, or are going to complain about this change for the next decade please spare us and just rip up your license now. Leave the people who want to enjoy amateur radio alone. We don't need this bad blood in our ranks, now or ever.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N5LX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
WHY ARE YOU STILL DISCUSSING THIS DECISION....????


ITS DONE!!!


THE HORSE IS DEAD -- STOP BEATING IT ...


SOME WON -- SOME LOST --BUT AS A HOBBY WE ALL GAINED


Now is the time to put your busted up old broken crap that doesn't work on Ebay so these new NCTs snap it up.


Heck - you will be able to sell two dixie cups and string to these guys as they are in a mad dash to get on the air.


/
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W1JJC on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hello all, at the risk of being flamed here I felt I would throw in my Tech Lic. 2 cents. I read a mixed bag of good and bad opinions on the issue. Alot of the bad focuses on what looks to be concern of the cb crowd invading the bands. My question is whats to stop them from doing it anyway. When I got my TL, about a week later I purchased a Yaesu 897 used on e-bay. I certainly hope it works on the lower bands since I have never tried it because I respect the rules. But, if I had chose to I could have just keyed up and did the things that are being spoken about here. Anyone can do that now, and suffer the consequences if found. It is rarely done in my area that I am aware of by unlicensed ops, however I read about licensed persons quite often being fined for improper practice. At this point in my life I do not have time to practice the code enough to master it, but I am improving. I will still go ahead and learn it because it interests me. But until I do, the band invasion theory I do not understand. When this rule is completed, and as a tech only I can only use the low bands for cw, isn't this what you want, and just a small slice of the 10m for voice. This will be that way until I take the written and then move up. Yes some of you are correct in that there will be abuses. I read about them now and they are the LICENSED ops that are doing it. I will also agree with one poster that the cost of the equipment will be a deterent for most. I know between my rig and tower and antennas I am into this for about $2000 so far so I can enjoy 6 and 2 m. Alot more then most cbr's would pay to talk to people that will most likely not talk back when they find out they are a NCT (or NCG), I hope I am wrong on this. I have thouroughly enjoyed the contacts I have made on 6 and 2m SSB, and would hope that the same will be found on the lower bands IF i ever get there. As far as good operating practice, that should have nothing to do with code/nocode, and everything to do with HAM radio in general. Good practice come with ALL modes. To believe that TL people are not, or won't, follow good practice because they do or don't know code only deteriates and divides the hobby even more. Ok bring on the flames, and by the way, nothing to hide here that is my real call sign. 73 DE Joe
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K1GB on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Does anyone know if an EXPIRED CSCE for Element Three
would be accepted for a "paper upgrade" to General, or would it have to be an UNEXPIRED CSCE? I am a VE and would like to know the answer to this question.

73, Gordy K1GB


 
RE: They will memorize all the test questions!  
by KB1SF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Raymond (AI2IA) wrote: "...just concentrate on how bad it will be when all the newbies use their memory skills to pass the exams and flood the airwaves with their fumbling practices. Yes, indeed, the end of amateur radio is near, almost upon us.

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Your "flooding the airwaves with their fumbling practices" rant is just another elitist holdover from the 1950s that has never, ever proven true. Indeed, you and I BOTH know there are hundreds of thousands of newcomers who have joined our ranks over the years and who continue to play by the rules while contributing richly to the hobby.

On the other hand, statistics HAVE shown that there's been a preponderance of crusty old 20 WPM (as in "FCC examined") Extras who have been earning a fair-sized chunk of Mr. Hollingsworth's salary as of late.

What' more, the real "dumbing down" of our Service has been going on for decades...long before there was even talk of dropping the Morse testing requirement. In fact, I firmly believe the FCC's entire concept of incentive licensing was an oxymoron right from the start!

That is, if the REAL goal of that system is to educate and create a larger pool of trained, technically competent radio operators (as they state)then why does the FCC insist on placing the achievement tests BEFORE the in-depth learning about what's on the test takes place?

Now, lets not confuse the concept of learning with memorizing and then regurgitating a bunch of rote information that often makes absolutely NO sense to an applicant when they take their tests. That's because at that particular point in their Ham Radio education, they usually have little or no prior, practical experience to fully understand what it all means.

And, certainly, most (but not all) mentally-capable applicants can sit down with a book and cram their heads full of mindless (to them) gobbledygook and then spit it all back out to pass an exam.

Wouldn't it make FAR more sense to give everyone the opportunity to GET ON THE AIR on those frequencies and modes that the new license class grants to learn what all the gobbledygook means FIRST and THEN give them the comprehensive examination over what they've actually learned?

As a professional consultant and teacher, I pass information along to my students in one of three different ways. I can lecture to them (I call this the "sponge" approach), which is the classroom equivalent of reading a book (or a license manual) on the subject. Or, I can lecture to them and then demonstrate the concepts of the subject while they watch. Or, I can "toss them in the deep end of the pool" and let THEM experiment on their own, which, in turn, forces them to TEACH such concepts to THEMSELVES.

Years and years of professional research into the ways we humans learn things has shown unequivocally that, of the three main ways information is learned, actual hands-on experimentation yields BY FAR the greatest retention.

This may be why our age-old concept of "Elmering" has been so successful in our hobby over the years. While it is true that our own Elmers (if we were fortunate enough to have one) demonstrated many Ham Radio concepts to us, the chances are very good that they also forced us into teaching-learning situations where WE had to do a number of things for ourselves...often by trial and error, with our Elmer always at the ready to provide feedback on our creation(s". And, I believe if each of us were to now reflect on that time when we were getting started in the hobby, my hunch is that the lessons we learned as a result of that hands-on experimentation were the ones that stayed with us the longest.

So, again, if the REAL goal of the FCC's incentive licensing system is to increase our overall technical competency as a Service (rather than keeping people out of the hobby), then forcing everyone to take comprehensive written examinations BEFORE the REAL learning takes place makes absolutely no sense at all.

Clearly, the FCC's incentive licensing approach is an absolutely INVALID and blatantly discriminatory way of measuring learning that is chock-full of meaningless barriers because it simply measures an applicant's (usually innate) ability to memorize and then regurgitate facts.

Now, certainly, I am NOT advocating we dispense with all written examinations!

To the contrary, there still needs to be some government oversight to control access to our Service. And there still needs to be some kind of mechanism to insure applicants (particularly newcomers) have enough knowledge to keep themselves (and their neighbors) safe. The FCC also needs to have a reasonable assurance that such applicants know enough of the "rules of the road" for the specific privileges they will be using on the air so as to not make themselves a nuisance to others in their neighborhoods on the Ham bands.

So, in that sense, our testing structure ought to look more like a series of "learner's permits" designed to get people up and on the air and communicating (that is...learning) rather than a college-level degree program in RF engineering that rewards people various "degrees" (a.k.a. "operating privileges") based on how well they can memorize and regurgitate facts on multiple choice tests.

So, for all of these reasons, I firmly believe the FCC needs to now get out of the "badge of honor" and "achievement test" business. The FCC's testing structure SHOULD be encouraging (rather than discouraging) the "hands-on" learning of a wide range of skills in the technical and communications phases of the radio art, rather than simply concentrating on "rote learning".

Unfortunately, the current FCC sub-band-based-on-license-class-and-operating-mode stupidity only allows applicants to obtain such learning AFTER they've taken a "final exam" on the subject.

That's because, in typical government bureaucratic fashion the FCC has consistently been pushing rote examinations and ill-timed "achievement tests" that measure the absolute wrong set of knowledges and skills...at absolutely the wrong points in the teaching-learning process.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KC0TJO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I really have to laugh at people who compare hf without the code test to driving or flying without a license. Do these people really think that is a reasonable comparison? Perhaps they feel someone will key the mike and mame somebody.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AB8RI on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Good point John... I'm a EE, so I use the theory stuff all the time. But with today's technology, you don't need to get on the radio.... everything is just plug and play.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
For some the fight is never over and I don't like the decision either, I for one think the change won't help. And I feel they should have kept the 5 wpm tests. But the FCC don't give a hoot about the one's who didnt want to lose that. The fight maybe be over but the complaints to ARRL and the FCC might not be.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AB8RI on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I meant to say, you don't need to know much electrical theory to get on the radio.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AB8RI on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I meant to say, you don't need to know much electrical theory to get on the radio.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD5PSH on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Why would anyone want to talk to a no-coder? Arn't they all very slow?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD5PSH on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Why would anyone want to talk to a no-coder? Arn't they all very slow?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB1SF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It's been often said that requiring a Morse test for full Amateur Radio HF frequency privileges was like having to demonstrate how to shoe a horse in order to obtain a driver’s license to drive a privately owned automobile.

Except, of course, to those Luddites whose entrenched obsession with testing for Morse code for a Ham license that grants access to the HF frequencies of our hobby hasn’t totally blinded them from seeing the absolute absurdity of their (increasingly untenable…if not patently illegal) position on the issue.

For, despite all their lofty sounding rhetoric about preserving the “traditions” of Amateur Radio and that tests for Morse and ever-more-irrelevant radio theory are still an “essential” part of our hobby, it is now clear to me, beyond any shadow of doubt, that the principal, underlying goal of most of these bigots is to indefinitely perpetuate the multi-tiered “caste system” that has existed within our Service in the United States for at least the last half century.

Or, to put it more bluntly, what far too many of these curmudgeons now call “tradition” or “keeping the standards up” is simply their poorly disguised cover for a far different collective agenda: Perpetuating systemic discrimination within the Amateur Service. And, by taking additional steps to bring at least some of that discrimination to a grinding halt by incrementally removing its regulatory underpinnings, it would now appear that the FCC wholeheartedly agrees with that assessment.

Indeed, in their news release of 15 December that reported their order to completely eliminate Morse testing in our Service, they noted, "This change eliminates an unnecessary regulatory burden that may discourage current amateur radio operators from advancing their skills and participating more fully in the benefits of Amateur Radio."

Translation: Morse testing was a discriminatory barrier (spelled "unnecessary regulatory burden") to many otherwise qualified applicants seeking to fully participate in our Service that has now long outlived its usefulness.

It would also appear that by dropping ALL forms of Morse testing in the Amateur Service for ALL classes of licenses, the FCC has accomplished a number of other goals as well.

The first, of course, is they have further deregulated our Service by effectively getting both themselves (and their VEs) out of the mandatory, neuro-motor skill testing business. By doing so, they have completely eliminated a arbitrary, baseless, and highly discriminatory (spelled “illegal”) barrier to a publicly funded, government administered resource called the Amateur Radio Service. And, in the process, they have also effectively deterred any equal access litigation that might have been brewing over Morse testing as a mandatory requirement to full participation in that pubic resource from well-heeled interests and/or organizations representing persons with disabilities.

The FCC's recent action also eliminated a glaring disparity between Technician and so-called "Technician Plus" licensees. Besides full operating privileges in the Amateur Bands above 30 MHz, Technician Plus license holders were also afforded small slivers of four HF Ham Bands in which to operate (CW only on 80, 40, 15 Meters, with both SSB and CW on 10 Meters). It now appears that all Technicians (no-code and coded alike) will be afforded identical privileges, including access to the newly expanded Tech-Plus portions of these HF bands.

So, in that sense, the FCC has now effectively created the long-sought-after "Foundation License" for our service in the United States. It's going to be called the Technician License. That's because, not only will that license now grant full operating privileges above 30 MHz, it will also grant ALL Technician license holders access to the new and improved "Novice bands"…. small portions of the HF spectrum that used to be the crucible of our Service in the United States. The Novice bands gave beginners limited access to HF to "get their feet wet" with long distance communication. I guess we "old farts" might now view the new and improved Technician license as the "Novice Plus" license.

And, guess what? No-code Technicians will now have to learn Morse in order to use these bands. Isn’t that what incentive licensing was supposed to be all about?

Bottom line: Unless and until the FCC takes what I believe to be their next logical step on the road to dropping the last vestiges of their incentive licensing foolishness (regulating our bands by bandwidth rather than by license class and operating mode), this step will do nicely.

It truly IS a great day for Amateur Radio!

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Why would anyone want to talk to an extra? Aren't the few of them very snobbish?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W3ULS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'm with K4IA.

There is now a lot of HF spectrum available to Technicians. The catch: It's CW only. So you either upgrade to General (which is OK, of course) or learn CW to enjoy the new and--much broader--HF privileges.

I like it.

73,
John, W3ULS
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WR8D on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
CJS: I agree with you 100%. Here where i live they're nothing but glorified freebanders. Well said om, your snub turned into actually being part of the truth and the present problem. Thanks, JB WR8D
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC2IGY on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
RADIO123US Wrote: "The No-Coders finally got what they have been wanting for....it's really up to them to prove that they deserve what they were NEVER able to EARN...the jury is out, and we will see...I suspect there will be a GREAT divide on the HF bands...there will be HF nets on the bands restricted exclusively to those that KNOW code...there will be folks that refuse to talk to the No-Coders....I actually hope I'm wrong, and the no-coders step up to the plate and learn and use good operating practices...but, if the 2 meter bands in my area are any indication of what it will be like on HF, then this is a sad day for ham radio"


All this coming from someone hiding behind a "handle".
Too Funny. LOL
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD4AC on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"TO YOU PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE THE CHANGE THE FCC HAS MADE GO POUND BRASS!WE WON"

Well, if that just isn't a piss poor attitude. This was never a competition, although it was certainly a heated debate. The elimination of CW is nothing more than an inevitable change. While I happen to like CW, I don't see the need for it as a testing requirement if you have no intention of using it. Back when CW was the primary mode of transmission, the requirement made sense.

"Well, the whiners and the 'gimme mine for free I don't want to earn it' crowd finally got their wish. This should be considered a hollow victory for them. The flood gates of hell are now open."

Yeah, I heard the same thing when Novice enhancement went into effect in 1987, when the "no code" came out in the 90s and when the CW requirements were lowered in 2003.

"I suspect it won't end here, and the no-code zealots will now want to eliminate every last trace of CW from Amateur Radio. Get ready for a big push for a return to 'plain language' vice CQ, QRZ, QSO, etc. We will be told that this is because it's a 'barrier and confuses potential hams.'"

Yes, yes...more doom and gloom.

"BTW, these new housing developments popping up around the country also have antenna restrictions. So the battle is a losing one."

AMEN! I feel THAT is one of the most important issues facing amateur radio today. There may be hundreds or thousands of people out there interested in getting a license but don't because they feel what's the point if they can't put up any antennas. I know someone will respond with, "Well, why don't they buy a house without deed restrictions?" Yes, they could do that perhaps. But for many people, this may not be an option...especially for a teenager who may want to get into the hobby. And not every family can afford to just sell their house and move out to the country so one of them can put up an antenna.

Anyway, here's what I THINK will happen. We'll see a sudden surge of new licensees and some upgrades. But after that, everything will drop down to a trickle again. How do I know? Because that's what happened with each change that has been made since I was licensed in 1987. There was a rush of Novices when they were granted HF privileges on 10 meters, there was a surge in licenses when the no-code tech came out, and there was a surge when the requirement was lowered in 2003.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K0RFD on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K1GB wrote:
>Does anyone know if an EXPIRED CSCE for Element Three
>would be accepted for a "paper upgrade" to General

I think CSCEs are still only good for a year for upgrade credit. That rule hasn't changed.
 
NOT TRUE  
by QRZDXR on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KK7SS on December 16, 2006
....And I can, if I wish, use CW ANYWHERE in the HF bands. Good manners and good conversation will always be welcome on the HF bands REGARDLESS of class of License

_____________________________________________

aHHH not true... you can use CW only in your class license segment of the band. You may NOT go ANYWHERE and use it in the HF band unless your a EXTRA class ham.

You will get cited if you work CW outside your class of band segment. Watch the limits... and make sure you clairify your statements so others don't think its OK to do also.
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by QRZDXR on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS on December 16, 2006
I said it before, I'll say it again:

"Mike, or Mr. QRZDXR: You are soooooo funny.......
Thanks for the good laugh!"

Your post just does not merit comment,

for you are the one lacking --knowledge-- ! Keep it up, you've just proved to more people that you are pure 'lid', through and through.

Thanks again for the comedy routine.

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your welcome. your comment about merit, Does this mean you think your above the rest or that your... going away? remember if you smile about something it shows others that what was said either applys to you or your ignorant LOL
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WR8D on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well looking down a few more rants i see it's still pretty much the same. We're divided and from now on always will be. I'll continue to try to help any new person that honestly wants it. Most here already know more about radio than any of us hams. Their attitude toward us is pretty much cut and dried. Sad i just got an email from a friend that's been licensed since back in the 70's he's pulling out of the hobby. He thinks it will get even more cb like as more of our rules are changed. This goes along with the way our society thinks. Teachers don't put a grade on a report card anymore because it might make a dumb student know he's actually "dumb". It's just not right for those of you that stayed out of our hobby because you couldn't learn certain aspects of it and pass the tests, so they'll give that license to you so you can feel like you're "equal". Sorry to say, most will stick out like a sore thumb and never be welcomed to the bands except by those just like themselves. Today before this rule actually takes effect you can listen around the bands and already hear what i'm referring to just from the last bunch of wannabe hams that fell through the cracks in the floor when the 5wpm first came into being. Freeband chickenband to extra class in under six months, that's what i'm talking about. Sure there's always been weirdo's on our bands but nothing ever came out of those types like i hear coming out of the fresh young open minded new blooded, "did i get it all in there", chickenband wannabe ham. To sum it up best, just dumber than a box of rocks. If the powers at hand passing these rules think we need this on our bands then they need to be in that box with the rest of them. We'll never get along now. 73 John WR8D
 
RE:Begining of the trany of the Morse Op  
by KB9RQZ on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
there are RUMORS out dark corners of washinton that the FCC may allow either explictly or or delgate to the VEC the ability to accept recently expried CSSE'

it s rumor my own source are 4th (or more hand though people I work in the Signal Copr I should this gets gone but since it is senible and govt related I have serious doubt
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse .. see what God hath brought  
by QRZDXR on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K8MHZ on December 16, 2006
The HF bands are useless right now. Have been for over a day. Is God punishing us for doing something stupid?

(runs for cover)
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first time I have to agreee with you MHZ. Old Samual is probably whizzing (you know what) from heaven on the ARRL HQ and the FCC building for what they hath done. LOL
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K6LCS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>>...How many would use code if they never had any real exposure to it?

When MARS declared Morse Code a dead language over a decade ago, I made up my mind that it wasn't really necessary for me to further enjoy this hobby.

Clint Bradford, K6LCS
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
QRZDXR said:

"your welcome. your comment about merit, Does this mean you think your above the rest or that your... going away? remember if you smile about something it shows others that what was said either applys to you or your ignorant LOL"

The "merit comment" of my remarks meant just that--your post doesn't merit comment. It is just--in my opinion, of course--the inane meandering utterances of a small minded individual who is too afraid to identify themselves on an open forum. Therefore, their post is not deserving of any sort of recognition that an answer would bring.

BTW, I'm smiling right now and did 'laugh out loud' at your post.

 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Get ready for the 500W splatter transmissions...LOL
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N7UQA on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Boy, Jonathan (W9WHE) is noticeably absent in this thread. I figured he'd be in here boycotting the FCC and demanding that the ARRL or some other organization do something about this travesty ;)

Now that the code debate has FINALLY been put to rest, why don't we focus on more important things like spectrum pollution. While I am sad to see the CW requirement dropped, the bands will NOT turn into a CB band. A lot of the current problems already on the band are being caused by individuals who passed their 13 and 20 WPM code tests.

As someone who did the 5, 13 and 20 WPM code tests I am sorry to see it go, but the FCC has made it's ruling and it's time to move forward.


Craig - N7UQA
 
ITS A UN CONSPRICY TO RUIN THE US  
by QRZDXR on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
NS6Y_ on December 16, 2006
the dropping of the code requirement was just announced on the AM radio, on KGO which is one of the BIG stations in the US.

It was cited as finally being possible because it was no longer required by international treaty.

Thus it is an ITU decision not an FCC decision - I think the FCC would have dropped it 5 years ago if the ITU did.

_________________________________________________________

Ahhh the truth comes out... its a UN velet glove treatment to destroy the US and make us a third world country. As the ruling president finally left he had one last act to prefrom. Messing up the US ham radio operator. (ARRL and FCC can now point to them... they made 'em do it)

Its nice that KGO and the new media reports the negative inplications. Would one expect anything else from the media ?

Who says the US had to do what the other fruitcakes in the world do. Last time I checked we run our country not the ITU or the UN.

I notice every time I get on CW at the lower end their is some other country flapping its lips. Yet I don't see in the ITU where they can. Ya they are both in the same boat. Useless parasites that are control freaks. Ever wonder why we in the US are the leaders? You would have us be followers. Is that a degrasion from what we are?

the discussion on the local ham band this morning -- is the expected surge of new hams now that we have NO CODE. Most on it are of the contention that its not going to happen. they cite the UHF/VHF ARRL expected wave of newbies that never materalized after the dropping of the code speed and new no code tech. It seems its just not useful or attractive to todays society. Most are of the contention that this will be a bigger flop. As one said "ARRL does it again" with a good laugh had by all.

Well now at least the truck drivers can be legal using the ham bands and everyones repeater-- after they take the on line test to get their license mailed back to 'em.
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The next step for the no-code CB types will be to try and eliminate the written exam...we wouldn't want THAT to be an "unnecessary regulatory burden" ...would we ???
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I know..and like I just mentioned..get ready for 500W splatter..(500W will now be QRP..)..I wonder if we'll now have a "ChannelMaster" on 20?.Hmmm??..Man..wait till 10 opens...Won't that just be like going home to some?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
When I poured my Cocoa Puffs in the bowl this morning..a plastic packet fell in the bowl from the box along with the cereal...I was hoping it was an Extra Class ticket...was only a whistle...Damn!
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K3YD on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Had there been a "no code" license years ago, I would have acquired one and would have missed out on lots of fun. Fortunately I had to learn Morse, at 5, then 13 and finally 20 wpm.

I quickly discovered that when using 100 W. of SSB and simple antennas, DX contacts were occasional; when using CW they were pretty much an everyday event.

CW has it all over other modes in efficiency and simplicity of equipment. With SSB, 100 Watts PEP represents something around 30 watts average output; on CW that 100 watts PEP means 100 watts output everytime you touch the key. There are similar advantage on the reciving end resulting from narrower bandwidth signal recovery.

Yes, I know some digital modes such as PSK31 have excellent signal recovery from noise level signals. But those modes require a modem and computer.

I guess it boils down to a choice between using lots of equipment . . .or using a bit of mental skill developed by practice and motivation. Once you have the skill, operation using Morse becomes easy. I'd much rather work a CW contest than one on phone.

Morse skill is much like foreign language ability or playing a musical instrument; it takes some effort to accomplish, but it's worth the effort.

For those who don't want to make an effort to develop Morse skill, you can now be a licensed talker. But I invite you to learn that skill and meet me down on 3.501 or 14.001. And you can now say you're doing it because you want to, not because you have to.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K7EFJ on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Gentlemen:

CW is not dead. Nor will it die. Phone bands will not turn into CB hell. Give it a rest. I suggest that we turn our attention to where it is needed: BPL. THAT is is the biggest threat to radio services today and tomorrow.

73 and Merry Christmas to all.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W4VR on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
CW is not history quite yet, but as the current users of CW inevitably start pushing daisies you will see CW disappear. At least we did not lose 3.600-3.635 MHz as the ARRL had proposed in it's Petition for reconsideration. I, for one, had suggested in comments filed against the ARRL petition that they move WinLink down below 3.6 MHz, and the FCC did just that.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB9YGD on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
http://mysite.verizon.net/res868sp/thetriantafilosfamily/index.html I am not sure if dropping the cw requirment will help amateur radios dwindling numbers.I am sure that there are many amateurs who look at cw as worthless without even giving the mode a chance & dont even give it a 2nd thought.As with anything in life i am of the opinion that a person should earn whatever he/she gets & ham radio is no exception.I am also of the opinion that dedicated hams do cw,keep detailed logbooks & qsl 100% and that there should be some machanism in place in the tests that insure that we dont populate our ranks with those that are unfit to be an amateur radio operator or to lazy and want something just handed to them without any effort at all on their part.73,de kb9ygd
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K3ROJ on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Have been an Amateur Radio operator since 1960 and when I read the report about CW being dropped, it was like a knife hitting me. Amateur radio will go the same route as our schools in America, let them pass even though they can't read or write. The FCC wants our HF bands and know that taking away our most important mode of operating, we will give up. I have already spoken to many hams on the bands that will be boycotting the ARRL now and I wish I had all the money I paid them over the years. Going to get on E-Bay now to sell my gear and then buy a nice GMRS walkie talkie. "Breaker Breaker anyone on the channel"?
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KN4LF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I hold a 13 wpm Advanced Class ticket and operate allot of CW. Right now I can copy at about 15 wpm and even passed the 20 wpm code test at one time but the CSCE expired before I could take the written test as I was working for Uncle Sam overseas. I am proud of that accomplishment but it's a personal thing and I could care less what enyone else knows or thinks about it.

I use to buy into the morse code testing barrier as a means of keeping the riff raff out of the hobby. However with time I came to realize that it was not an effective barrier. Why? Well in my personal experience with 17 years of time on the HF bands, I found that the majority of the rudest, arrogant, elitest, rule breaking slobs have been 20 wpm Extra Class ticket holders on the phone bands!!!

I also used to believe that those with "no code" tickets that inhabited 2 meters, etc. were of the rude, unknowledgeable, CB mentality type. Why? Because that is what I read. Well then one day fairly recently I finally got on 2 meters to participated in Skywarn nets. Much to my surprise I found almost all of the "no code" Tech's on every 2 meter repeater within 200 miles of my Lakeland, FL QTH to be very nice, techincally knowledgeable, rule abiding ham's. So I will personally welcome all "no code" Ham's to the HF bands.

And by the way the reason that the HF bands have gone to heck in the hand basket is because Ham's are but a microcosm of our society as a whole. We as a society are in moral and ethical collapse with no courtesy or manners, as we have sytematically kicked God out of every aspect of our culture and society.

As the saying goes, "It is not the class of license that the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license."

73,
Thomas Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL
http://www.kn4lf.com
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6KYS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K3ROJ wrote.......

"America, let them pass even though they can't read or write. The FCC wants our HF bands and know that taking away our most important mode of operating, we will give up. I have already spoken to many hams on the bands that will be boycotting the ARRL now and I wish I had all the money I paid them over the years. Going to get on E-Bay now to sell my gear and then buy a nice GMRS walkie talkie. "Breaker Breaker anyone on the channel"?

You've GOT to be kidding K3ROJ. What is so "important" about CW, anyway? THE ENTIRE WORLD no longer recognizes it. Have you even looked at the written exams that potential hams will now have to pass in order to get a license? Is that dumbing down the service? Hardly. Having a small, narrow skill in hearing tones and converting them into characters hardly compares with the huge technological advances of late....advances that the young generations will require a prowess of knowledge just to keep up, and to compete in the new world. Converting dits and dahs is old news...get over it. I'll bet you don't complain about having a PC or cell phone in your life.... so what is it about this primitive transmission mode that keeps old, cantankerous hams so jazzed about? I'm glad it's dying....I'll take a kid using PSK31 over an old fart with an attitude any day.

As for selling your gear....now there's a thought. I'm all for you doing it and wish you success.

N6KYS

Welcome to the 21st century.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KX8N on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"let them pass even though they can't read or write."

You need to get a serious grip on reality. You've been watching too much Spike TV.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB1SF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Alvin (K3ROJ) wrote: “Amateur radio will go the same route as our schools in America, let them pass even though they can't read or write. The FCC wants our HF bands and know (sic) that taking away our most important mode of operating, we will give up. I have already spoken to many hams on the bands that will be boycotting the ARRL now and I wish I had all the money I paid them over the years. Going to get on E-Bay now to sell my gear and then buy a nice GMRS walkie talkie. "Breaker Breaker anyone on the channel"?
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Sadly, rather than looking at the FCC's tests for the Amateur Service as a series of "learners permits" designed to allow otherwise qualified newcomers INTO our hobby to learn and grow, it appears you and your fellow Luddites still want everyone to complete a series of ever-more-irrelevant "hazing rituals" like Morse tests and obscure written "achievement tests" over material that few, if any of us will ever need or use in an apparent (yet futile) attempt to keep all but "your kind" OUT.

Unfortunately, it will probably take at least another generation or two for the last vestiges of the “CBer paranoia” clearly evident in your post and which is still all too prevalent in our Service to completely disappear. In fact, I firmly believe that the aging and eventual death the older generation of Hams will be an essential element in the progress of our Service.

That's because death very effectively takes care of all the crusty curmudgeons from a previous generation who are absolutely petrified to let go of old, fallacious ideas (like Morse code testing along with all the other bogus “lid filters” in our license and regulatory structure) that were never really based in any operational need, let alone reality.

Now, certainly, your reluctance to finally let go of what once was is quite understandable, because many of you have framed your entire adult lives around a single way of doing things in our Service only to now be faced with this stark, new reality. As Max Plank, one of the greatest physicists of the Twentieth century once commented, “Innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents. What usually happens is that its opponents gradually die out, and the growing generation is familiarized with the new, innovative ideas right from the beginning.”

However, Alvin, I wholeheartedly agree with your decision to sell your radios. This should free up plenty of resources for you to now find another exclusive "Country Club" to join so as to perpetuate your clearly obvious snobbery.

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by AI2IA on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Many thanks to KN4LF for describing the reality of amateur radio before the Morse Code requirement was removed.
Morse Code is a wonderful mode of operation and should never have been used to keep people out of amateur radio. There is just about no way to describe the unique qualities of communicating by Morse Code where no accents, and little noise or hearing problem impairs the message. I wish that all those who were unfairly frustrated by poor training methods would give it another try. They have to keep in mind that it is not the kind of thing you study like in book reading. It is more like learning to type. As you get into it, your intellect is not doing the Code work, some other part of you is doing it. You just need to practice every day and only think of it like trying to get good at riding a bicycle. Never memorize.
The best operators are in every class of license. They are the friendly, courteous ones. Never let the snobs discourage you.
 
Truly Shocking Information  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
LIDs existed long before 20 WPM testing was dropped. CB tends to be more civilized than this forum. Many within our ranks actually came from CB. Many would like to think that our worst rule violators are the products of no code licensing, but history tells us otherwise. Most shocking, this is the second time in history that we had no code licensing. I'm not talking about the No Code Tech, but 100% CW test free. Yes, it's true. Before 1912, there was no code test. There wasn't even a written test. Come to think of it, there wasn't even licenses yet. You had to build a rig to get on the air. That was your test; all of our 20 WPM hams (myself included) have had less of an entry barrier than these early amateurs. They even had the ultimate vanity callsign system - you got to pick out your own callsign. Even more surprisingly, there were no laws -- it was the ultimate freeband.

Lacking any laws, licensing, or testing, what held it all together? Gentlemanly conduct, technical innovation, brotherhood, and the love of radio. The FCC hasn't eliminated any of these.
 
RE: Technology marches on  
by AE6RO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"CW is rote memorization. SWISH!"
Obviously neither of you two characters knows anything about CW.
Case closed! Remand the prisoners to 160 meters! AE6RO
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by AD7KC on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I knew this would happen. As soon as I 'got through it all', they'd change it. I feel........ so used. <sniker>
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Here..this will help you adjust to it...


Our new theme:

http://download.yousendit.com/5D4D882F5091919B
 
RE:Fruitcake  
by AE6RO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
QRTDXR: I never called anyone a "lid." But if the jarhead fits...
If you really were a ham you would have noticed I changed your monikker to "QRT-DXR" as opposed to "QRZDXR." For your information, "QRT" means cease transmission.
You talk real big behind your computer screen.
BPL stinks. It's a thinly disguised attempt to jam HF communications. But the sad fact is it will take Big Bux investment to make it work. And airlines and government users need HF too. So, no.
And I don't like fruitcake either. Go QRT yourself. AE6RO
 
RE: Technology marches on maybe  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It might be dead in your mind but I don't feel there are some out there that will let fade away that fast.
Also someone wrote here that if you want to sell your equipment go ahead, well thats what the FCC wants so they can sell this to some other corporation,remember the more we lose the less chances we have of keeping these bands,cw or ssb, or other modes.
 
RE:Begining of the End of ham radio as it was knon  
by AE6RO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hey, "UG"-go, you called Uncle Sam "the most corrupt entity in the United States."
Not even I would go that far. I might add that the ARRL has alot of MOUs with them. AE6RO

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K8MHZ: I guess that would depend if you believed in the divinity of the Sun.
There was a large solar flare a few days ago. That caused the blackout. I've read that MF and LF are very good during the day now though, if that helps.
73, AE6RO
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K2LES on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
OK - I'm one of those low-life, "CB" mentality, "dumbed-down" no-code tech. I took a few General Class practice exams over on QRZ.com and passed without studying or ever having seen the pool of questions before.

So now if I pass the test and get my General ticket, that means I'm a better operator because I passed a test that a retarded monkey could pass? So when I find a VE, I'll pass this stupid test and climb up the ham hierarchy.

All it takes is getting 25 out of 35 multiple choice questions correct. The only thing that kept me from getting the General class ticket was that stupid code requirement. There was no way I was gonna learn a dead language - I held myself back on principle.

 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KI6CRF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I passed my written test for my General license and was about to take the CW test.

Will I now be issued automatically my General ticket?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC0WDG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I am a relatively new ham (March '06). I was/am proud of the accomplishment of earning my ticket. Had the tech license required a morse test I would have taken it, because I wanted to be a ham. I recently started studying (not memorizing the answers) my General class material and morse code so I can upgrade. I do still WANT to learn Morse, but I am glad I don't have the pressure of being tested on it.

Having said that...I promise to do the very best I can to be an honorable ham radio operator with whatever license I have and make the Amateur Radio Service proud. I AM willing and WANT to learn everything I can about this hobby/service. I know I will make mistakes, but I am willing have my mistakes corrected and learn from them.

Anyone willing to stop fighting for a while and be an Elmer to a 28 year old NCT who's willing to learn what it takes to be a Ham, marked by integrity?

73

Adam KC0WDG
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6KYS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Keith....KB1SF....you rock, that was magnificently put. I like the way you think.

73,
Brad
N6KYS

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC0WDG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Oops...make that a 29 year old NCT...

73

KC0WDG
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KE4CXP on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Boy what a bunch of crybabies. I hope that no prospective hams read these posts if they were to they would think that all hams are nothing more than bitter old men who wish that this great hobby would stay in the 1960’s and not move into the twenty first century.

They say that removing the code will cause more lids to move to the hf bands and that truckers will take over the bands. This will not happen, there were lids well before the code was dropped as a testing requirement we all have heard of Glen Baxter k1man, and others who have trashed our beloved bands both hf and vhf.

I am proud to say that I am a no-code tech, who spends most of his time working digital modes on vhf and is looking forward to doing the same on hf. To have a rule that says I must learn code to gain access to the hf bands was and is stupid. It is time that we all stop fighting about who is better and get back to what drew others and me to Amateur Radio, the fellow ship, the technical advancement, and the training of radio operators for the use in times of disaster and national crises.

Lets all try to remember that this is a HOBBY and it is suppose to be fun and relaxing. If you find a ham who not operating properly let him know that he making a mistake, don’t start jumping on him calling him a lid or telling him to get lost, we are trying to grow the ham brotherhood not shrink it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KE6OUD on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"I passed my written test for my General license and was about to take the CW test.

Will I now be issued automatically my General ticket? "


No, Not automatically. As soon as it's law on the books, take your CSCE into a VE session & pay the required fee then go home & enjoy HF. Just remember to put /AG after your call until your new ticket arrives.

I too, passed the General written 2.5 months ago & was just about ready to take the CW test but too late now. I will continue to build up my speed & satisfy not only myself, but my Elmer in Hawaii.

73 & Merry Christmas.......Charlie

(And yes, I AM an American Truck Driver& proud of it)

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K8MHZ on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Anyone willing to stop fighting for a while and be an Elmer to a 28 year old NCT who's willing to learn what it takes to be a Ham, marked by integrity?"

Adam, my friend, you already ARE a ham. You have an FCC assigned amateur radio call sign.

My thing right now is antennas and Fox Hunting. E-mail me if you would like some ideas shared.

So far I have confirmed contacts with 34 states (including HI and AK)44 countries (including JA and the Yukon Territory of CA) in 18 months with home brew antennas not visible from the front of my house.

And counting!

Last Fox Hunt, 1st place using a home brew Yagi.

So many things to try and so little time!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N6KYS: You deride CW as being a narrow ability to hear tones and convert them into characters. Then you talk about the oh-so-glorious technological advancements as if they were the same thing.
Most, if not all technological advancements are made by large corporations and not individuals. However, CW is an individual skill, very much like playing a musical instrument. Well if you can't get it you won't.
At the risk of being called a "fruitcake", I'll happily turn back the technological clock to 1941 or so. No cell phones, PCs, televisions, or A-bombs.
Flame away my good fellows! 73, AE6RO
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KB1SF: Now that's just cruel. Wait till you turn into an OF! And it's Max Karl Ernst Ludwig P-L-A-N-C-K.
You must be a recent graduate of our fine public schools. 73, AE6RO
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KF4NFC on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I have been waiting for this day to come for what seems like an eternity. However, I'm actually quite sad and worried myself. I've never really been interested in CW and it has kept me from moving up and experiencing new things in this hobby. I actually was going to give it up because I was bored with it. However, I renewed my license and for the first time decided to pick up learning CW. I currently have a lot of free quite time on my hands so it was the perfect time to learn the code. It worries me though because I would hate to see the bands go to trash. If you have to work for it, it usually means more to you. Even though I may not have to have CW to move up now I still plan on learning it or at least giving it a try since i've done put some time into it.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by WA0DTH on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I disagree with the total elimination of the code requirement entirely.
A few reasons why.

1. It is a mode of operation the requires simple means of sending and transmitting.

2. Its fun

3. Knowlege of morse code should be viewed as the same as an additional language skill whereby simple methods of keying and transmitting play a part in filling in where SSB, AM, FM or digital transmissions cannot be achieved. Also where condition make reception hard to copy. Emergency situations!
Those who know the code , are much more flexable in situations requiring them to use it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC didn't eliminate any three of the items you listed. My original post on this topic is buried up above. CW will live on regardless of a test.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Don't forget its not officially law yet and could still be held up and protested by groups and ARRL. Even when it becomes law it could still be protested just like any other law. One guy mentioned that the other countries have dropped it. Well if one person jumps off a bridge does that mean your gonna follow. Just something to think about
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6KYS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I would challenge anybody....AE6RO, WA0DTH, etc, to show how a CW signal can "get through" better than ANYTHING digital....but most specifically, PSK31.

Guys, CW's just one mode, that's all...if you want to keep it, fine...have a ball. Just don't force whole groups of younger generations into learning something from the stone age of amateur radio just to indulge your old, dated ego.

Times are changing....embrace it. All you're doing now is turning whole groups of younger hams (or potential hams) against your generation.

Best,
N6KYS
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>Don't forget its not officially law yet and could still be held up and protested by groups and ARRL.

Anyone can file a petition for reconsideration. I wouldn't hold your breath as the issues were already hashed out during the comment period. It's unlikely the FCC will reverse its ruling unless someone comes up with some new and startling argument which is highly unlikely considering how beat to death this topic is, and the arguments for both sides are so well enumerated. And quite honestly what would be the purpose?

It's time to let it go.
 
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by KC0KJF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Breaker 40 Break Break , How bout it skipland
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Roger that...that...that....I'm southbound on the superslab doin' the double nickle...nickle...nickle......I just unplugged my Heil & plugged in my power echo mike...come on....(Roger beep)
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N6KYS:'Scuse me: shouldn't it be "our generation?" Got my ticket in 1972.
Sorry, I don't have my own computer nor any PSK 31.
Would a short list of contacts on 40 meters CW be enough proof? My HW-16 puts out about 35 watts to a midget vertical.
73, AE6RO
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Roger D..Lot's o' goodbuddies here on the new chicken bands since ol' Uncle Charlie caved...look's like we got us a convoy headin' to HRO...Be 10-7 on yer final...(Roger beep)
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The rules might be there but you could still protests on this. I for one think the damage could kill us anyways..we will see...as it happened several times before..
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KC8WLE on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well. I for one am happy. I agree that the CW requirement was a barrier. I do community service and I talk to locals in the morings on my commute. Most of my radio work is done out of my car either moving or stationary. In fact, I don't have a station in my house! I really don't think that I would want to try to run a key in my Honda. But to talk on HF from my car is a viable option and would be a lot of fun. I think CW should be seperate and for those love the art. I call it art because it is. But like all art, not everyone does all aspects in a specified field. So, let the CW'ers enjoy their art and let those who wish to only do voice, data, etc. enjoy theirs. For now, there is room for all of us. (permitting the FCC doesn't change everything on us down the road!)
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>The rules might be there but you could still protests on this.

Well, it's not really a protest per se, you have to file a petition for reconsideration. You can do it online at the ECFS on the FCC website. Rehashing the same old arguments pretty much insures the petition will be overruled. But really when you think about it, any move for a petition for reconsidaration would be just a monkey wrench type move and a mere annoyance to the FCC, and not very productive or a benficial move.

Actually, someone could make a new argument that the new rule is making some hams lose their minds and therefore is detrimental. All one would have to do is point the FCC to this forum. Look at certain unnamed incessant posts by those who want to taunt. :-)

>I for one think the damage could kill us anyways..we will see...as it happened several times before..

When did Amater Radio die before? You surely can't be referring to incentive licensing or no code Technicians?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD4RBG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N5LX wrote:
<i>NCTs:


Welcome to the exciting world of HF.


I look forward to talking to each and everyone of you.


Welcome


N5LX</i>

Thank you very much. This no-code tech has been kept off HF for fifteen years by the Morse Mode. I have a current CSCE for General and I'll be upgrading soon to Extra. I always wanted to do so, I just couldn't hear the code any more than I can copy PSK31 or ATV.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Nope..damage is done...20M is gonna be like Channel 19...and "Freebird" will be re-written as "FreeBand"..Keep an eye on the lines outside of the VE Testing Sites now..you'll think they were giving away free rigs
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well it might of not killed us before but I do remember quite a number of Hams who gave up their tickets to the FCC because of the no-code.
For my own personal opinion 5 wpm wasn't that hard to do as compared to the 20 wpm.And that was the real killer of Hams trying to upgrade but here we are where we don't have to worry anymore about it. I for one think it stinks but thats my own thoughts.
I already wrote my piece to ARRL and the FCC but who in there world cares about people who want it to stick around..as they said in the old days progress stinks..
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I think the next step will be the Freebooters just going on the ham bands without licenses. In fact I heard some SSB on the 40M CW part last night but it was in Spanish. AE6RO

10-4 Good Body!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>Well it might of not killed us before but I do remember quite a number of Hams who gave up their tickets to the FCC because of the no-code.

Well then, that's their loss and a rather petty and childish move. I've had tons of fun before and after the NCT was introduced. Anyone who left because of that probably was on their way out anyways. Anyone who wants to leave because of this lastest change should just leave and get it over with. They shouldn't try to bring down the rest of amateur radio, as we see some folks trying to do here today.

I'd like to see a count of how many NCTs we lost due to some of the attitudes displayed here that have infected numerous clubs.
 
RE: History?  
by KF9Z on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
To K4UUG and all with that attitude:

You may hold a license issued by the FCC to operate on the Amateur Bands, but you will never be a HAM.....


Clint - W5CPT

Here, here! I could not agree more! This is a sad day for ham radio. The 'poor me...I cannot learn code' crowd has won a meaningless victory as ham radio will fall quickly into the realms of that one band between 12-meters and 10-meters...for all the no-code technicians than is CB! I hate to be rude but why celebrate the end of an era? Honestly...5 WPM? My 6-year old son licked that! Congratulations...you have successfully killed a once great hobby...with help from the ARRL. Good work, guys. Enjoy what you have created...you will soon regret it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6KYS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AE6RO wrote....

"Sorry, I don't have my own computer nor any PSK 31.
Would a short list of contacts on 40 meters CW be enough proof? My HW-16 puts out about 35 watts to a midget vertical.
73, AE6RO"


Sorry to hear that. But......you're missing the point. HAVE A BALL ON CW....I really, really hope you do. We need active hams like you.....I'll bet you're great to have a QSO with! This is just about CW as a licensing requirement......it has NEVER been a lowlife filter, and has become a silly requirement in this day and age.

Best,
N6KYS

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well the no-coders won there case and got there license without really working for the code, but its just one person's opinion. Maybe the exam will come back. I still think it was a mistake and that progress stinks but hey they got there plans but I still don't like it and never will
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W5AU on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is a quote from another forum......

If anyone has been around ham radio for any length of time, they would have realized that learning the Morse code has been the deterrent to keep the CB riff raff off the ham bands for a long time. Regardless of what the new ham that just memorized a few questions or the use to be CBer has to say, we of the old fraternity know this is true. Nobody, I don’t care who he/she is, ever cherishes something that they didn’t have to work for. We have a society of “Gimmes” that want everything for free without having to pay a price. The FCC did that with CB radio and what happened? Yep, the demise of a radio service that should have benefited a lot of people, not just a bunch of criminals who broke the law right off the bat by totally destroying what was given to them free. Just look around at what is going on in this country folks and you’ll understand what I mean. Those that have worked hard for what they have, know what I am talking about. Those that just want it given to them for little or no effort, deep down inside, you know what I’m talking about also. Dumbing down more and more is going to be the downfall of this country and we are on that track just as sure as the sun comes up in the morning. Sorry folks, the truth hurts, huh?

All of those willing to put forth the effort, have been welcomed into the fraternity as well should be. No one knows what is in store for all of us that have been around for a long time but I speculate that we will be treated as we are treated in today’s business community. As a “has been”. Just look at what is being written here on QRZ. The new hams wanting a freebie and all the privileges without having to do anything for it and the old hams becoming totally discussed with the ARRL and FCC for what we perceive to be a step that will destroy Ham Radio as “We” know it. No my dear friends, memorizing a few questions is not enough as far as I’m concerned. Yes, it’s a hobby but to us that have been around for a long time, it’s far more than that. We put forth an effort to get our license and this hobby, as the young hams call it, has brought forth a tremendous amount of technology throughout the earlier years. That is what our pride is all about. Knowing that we led the way so that those on the airways today are able to enjoy this “Hobby”.

Now in our broken society, we continue to see more and more dumbing down in every aspect of our country. I believe that maintaining the requirement of learning the Morse Code was the only thing left to allow us to think that at least the ones that come on board to becoming hams are at least the upper level of our society that is still willing to put forth the effort to become one of us. I for one feel betrayed more than anything, that the FCC would allow this to happen. The early hams have worked to hard to preserve this hobby for the ARRL and FCC to just give it away to those that are just to darn lazy to put forth any effort other than to memorize a few questions that they do not understand in order to become a ham. As a ham since 1962, I can speak as one who has seen more than any of the new call sign hams and it is a fact that the requirements to become a ham have been dumbed down so much that anyone with a third grade education can get a license. Geez, we even have 8 year olds getting Extra licenses now. How dumb is that??? They are either geniuses or the questions are just flat out too easy. I think the latter is the case.

Yes, the FCC has done away with the code requirement and now every Tom, Dick and Harriet will memorize themselves into the Extra class without so much as knowing the color code of a resistor. I’m sorry, but I firmly believe, those that just flat refused to knuckle down and learn Morse code just want everything to be given to them without having to put forth the effort. I have heard comments from those that have hearing problems and are hearing impaired that this was great for them. I can totally understand their plight. If the FCC truly wanted to help those folks, they could have offered an exemption to the hearing impaired and give them a pass with a certification from their medical doctor. That would have solved their problem.

Offering the Q&A by the FCC was just the beginning step of dumbing down Ham Radio and now they break the final straw by doing away with the requirement of putting forth the effort of learning Morse Code. Shame on them and shame on those that advocate that this is going to make ham radio better. No, I say not better, just more populated, until it is driven into the ground just like Citizen Band radio!!

Yes, this is a dark day for Ham Radio. I will not quit but the spirit of Ham Radio is forever lost with this travesty that the FCC has laid upon us!!!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N4ZKF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I personally am tired of looking at all the moaning and groaning over CW. I had to learn CW and take the code test to get where I'm at. There was no "no" code license when I became a ham. It was "become" a Novice, then go up from there.
I'm not a CW fan, learning it didn't make me a better operator. I have a CW contact now and then but guys...

They have made their decision, GET OVER IT! Ham radio is not dead, we are not dead, lets just enjoy our hobby.

For all the old poops complaining about it. CW does not
make you a better person. I know "no-code" techs that are allot better ops AND better persons than 20 WPM Extras I hear on 75 Meters at night swearing and fighting.
Plus all of them stomping on each other in a pile up.

Lets just get over it and get on......

73
Dave
n4zkf
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KX8N on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Roger that...that...that....I'm southbound on the superslab doin' the double nickle...nickle...nickle......I just unplugged my Heil & plugged in my power echo mike...come on....(Roger beep) "

And this is the mentality of someone who passed their CW test, and supports it as a requirement.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N6KYS: Maybe I'll get to work you on 40 meter CW. Worked Chicago a few times, Florida, Hawaii, Alaska, Cuba (don't tell Uncle Sam, heh-heh (like they don't know already)). Think I got a South American country but don't have a QSL. Pretty sure I worked a chap in Indiana who was using an Isotron. The gentleman in Alaska was using a vintage National receiver with a Knightkit transmitter. Worked him twice on two seperate knights.
All with my 35 watt vintage Heathkit HW-16 on 40M. Antenna is a short vertical, due to the neighborly atmosphere around here. Whole 'nother story.
I know that dropping the Code requirement was inevitable. I learned Morse because I had to, but I'm glad I did.
Wish it didn't have to be that way, might as well wish away cell phones, internet, ATMs, computers, etc. and the Patriot Act.
73, AE6RO
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N2SLO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
well said. I am very pleased by the FCC ruling. I am a dedicated ham, but do not have the time or patience to learn code. I work 60 hour weeks(financial services), juggle 2 small children, live on Long Island (tax nightmare)and have limited free time. I love amateur radio, and want to further enjoy and support the hobby. Having a few more bands (10M) and other tech+ abilities keep me interested. I understand the issues with repect to those that want to keep the code requirement (we don't want the air waves to reseble the 11M good buddy band), and hopefully these changes will not be a hightmare. BUT, times have changed, and the FCC has adapted to keep amateur radio alive and interesting (my opinion). My HF beam and amplifier will be added to my VHF station. thank you
 
RE: History?  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I agree the 5 wpm was so easy its unreal, as compared to the 20 wpm for Extra, that was the real killer for many. But,this no code stuff was a bit of a disappointment, and too soon to see where we will go from here.
Will be checking it out on the Periodicals for the next few years to see if they was right or wrong...!?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KE6OUD on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Ok Guys (& Gals) Read this Then click on the link below......


In the late 1970s, King Hussein of Jordan was one of the first to ask for a relaxation of U.S. Morse code requirements. The holder of ham radio license "JY1", Hussein was frequently heard on the ham radio bands. Hussein interceded with U.S. diplomats and the FCC on behalf of a friend who had medical issues that prevented him from demonstrating Morse Code proficiency, and FCC started granting medical waivers allowing some people to become hams with a slower code test or no test at all.


http://technocrat.net/d/2006/12/15/12273
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KA6KBC on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hi All,

Sorry to sound self serving, but how does this impact Advanced License holders? Any changes there ? I've had my ticket since 1980. For me I like CW, but its not for everybody. Hope there will still be space in the hobby for it. Ham Radio has always been a "Big Tent" hobby - Lots of things to play with Homebrewing (My Fav), SSTV, DX, Rag Chewing, and I hope it stays that way. If you know of any proposed changes in the Advanced License would really like to hear.

73's

Bill - KA6KBC
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KK7AC on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I love K2LES..... has a big boy "extra" call but is a dumb arse tech. I love the flood gate of "something for nothings".
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>Well the no-coders won there case and got there license without really working for the code, but its just one person's opinion. Maybe the exam will come back. I still think it was a mistake and that progress stinks but hey they got there plans but I still don't like it and never will

I don't think anyone won or lost. As I've mentioned in previous posts, that won't be determined for another five or ten years when we see the current state of amateur radio and whether this was a success. It's entirely up to us whether this change is beneficial to ham radio. But looking at this forum it's clear that there will be plenty of people trying to derail any efforts to bring new people into the hobby under this new arrangement. There will be those that will be bent on wrecking ham radio just to spite those who supported removal of the code test.

And there are CW ops that supported removing the code test. I'm one of them. BTW, you can checkout my PIC based keyer on the web....
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
> the spirit of Ham Radio is forever lost with this travesty that the FCC has laid upon us!!!

This is utter bull. The spirit of ham radio isn't lost unless we lose it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Quoted by Troy, W5AU:

"If anyone has been around ham radio for any length of time, they would have realized that learning the Morse code has been the deterrent to keep the CB riff raff off the ham bands for a long time. Regardless of what the new ham that just memorized a few questions or the use to be CBer has to say, we of the old fraternity know this is true."


This is the direction the postings about 'the decision' are going to take, the same old lament about keeping out the riff raff. It's already sickening beyond belief--and totally false--with the goings on in the HF bands, especially 75 meters.

Think about this--why is it that most hams that are involved with emergency communication groups are those so infamous riff raff technicians. Why are the majority of the holier than thou general, advanced and extra license holders not doing those things but the lowly technicians are welcome and are thriving there.

If there is one group of volunteers where 'riff raff' won't be tolerated, it is in an emergency communication group. We seldom hear anything about the supposed riff raff causing any sort of problems while there, but we are ALWAYS hearing about the bucket mouths on 75 meters and the geriatrics discussing their arthritis or their latest operation. If you don't believe it, move the dial around the 75 meter band sometime.

Something in the thoughts above quoted by Troy is seriously wrong. Actually it is simple to figure out if you put a little thought into it--

CODE IS NOT ANY SORT OF WORTHWHILE FILTER AT ALL!

(Disclaimer: The following is meant as a little tongue-in-cheek sarcasm, but may well turn out to be true.)

The false perception that it has stopped a mass exodus of CBers and slang throwing fowl mouth riff raff is just a dodge to divert attention from what will probably really happen. As soon as the supposed "riff raff" gets into the HF spectra, they will begin wholesale recording and complaining to Riley about the perversity currently up on those bands and will most likely set a course to get them cleaned up and available for all hams to use!

That is the one overriding reason why the old-timers up there are so dead set against no coders getting on those bands--they may be FORCED to clean up their act. The HF bands may become actual amateur radio bands again instead of their current use of being a massive old mens complaint parlor, a 'my scar is bigger than your scar' (or operation, ect.) comparison system and a generalized bucket mouth brigade shoutfest!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Don't have the time/ambition to learn code..but lot's of time to go thru the question pool(s)?..

FYI(just to make a point)..Took me 2 1/2 weeks @ 20 min a day to get to only 5WPM..& I work, etc, too..and I'm 55 yrs old..Hmmm?..

If one wanted it bad enough they could've...Goes to show ya...Like everything else in this country now.."It's not fair...I can't do it, but I tried though, so gimmie it"..

I took the time cause I wanted it bad enough..Am I an avid CW'er?..Nope?.....Did I want to "EARN" the privileges like the other REAL HAMS did (my peers)..Yup..

Welfaring "whatevers" into HF because they didn't feel like it, or "My Life is so hectic, I couldn't".....(or for the bogus excuses like "It's a dead mode"..etc)..it's just another cop-out...Dial around on 20M, etc, in about a month and a half...& you'll hear what whining & political correctness has done...
It's like urban sprawl..now it's spread into the HF Bands...

"They" got the last laugh..now we gotta deal with it..
 
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by N5MZL on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I swear, some of you guys are a riot. I've been a ham for twenty years, hold a General ticket, and yes, I had to pass that 13wpm CW test, and you will not see me whining about the passing of CW as a Part 97 test requirement.

Face it. The ITU dropped CW proficiency as a requirment for Amateur Radio access to the HF bands back in 2003, and many other countries (including many of those that are supposed to be "better" than us "dirty, ignorant Americans") have already dropped the CW requirement. There has been talk of the same happening in the US for some time now. And now it's happened, and anyone who is surprised, raise your hands...:)

Aside from being the oldest, CW is just another mode (albeit more difficult to learn; but if I could learn it, anyone can, thanks to WB6NOA). Even so, many, if not most, hams don't use it. Why? Because they are not interested in it it, any more than, say, SSTV, or packet, EME, etc. And all this was before the Morse requirement was dropped. For those of you who like it, go for it.

But this notion that somehow the dropping of the CW requirement is going to turn the ham bands into CB lite or something is pure idiocy. Or more precisely, it's not going to stop what has been already going on for many years now.

There have been a lot of references to 75m phone. Excellent example of what I'm talking about. For instance, there is a microcosm of everything that can go wrong happening nightly on 3851MHz. There you have this little clique of prima donnas (mostly in Floriduh; what a surprise) who won't talk to anyone who is not part of their group, who are not bashful about using foul language, whose favorite topics of discussion are their "studio quality" mics, big amps, how much smarter they are than everyone else on the bands (apparently they are all Advanced or Extra class licensees), and trading insults with each other until someone gets POed and goes off the air for a while.

In other words, it is just like some of the crap I used to hear on 11 meters back in my CB/freebander days, lo those many years ago. I guess those CW and advanced radio theory test requirements do not keep that bunch, along with many others, from behaving like a bunch of ill-mannered CB goodbuddies on our hallowed ham bands.

In fact, I've been hearing the same warnings of gloom and doom about how all the 11 meter nimrods were going to be the death of Amateur Radio since Novice Enhancement was enacted 20 years ago.

Fortunately, for every group of Extra class bozos such as those cited above that one can find on the bands, there are ten others who, regardless of license class, know how to behave and operate properly on our bands, despite all the dire warnings from the old guard.

The reality is this; knowledge of CW or a higher license is no guarantee of good behavior. (And make no mistake; despite all the mewling you hear about "multiple choice questions", you still have to know your stuff to pass that Extra class test.) Rather it is a function of our society as a whole, with all the concomitant lack of courtesy and good manners that, unfortunately, has become all too common these days. Whether or not one knows Morse code makes not a particle of difference.

If the ham bands end up like 11 meters it will be only because we let them get that way, not because CW was dropped as a testing requirement.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Dial around on 20M, etc, in about a month and a half...& you'll hear what whining & political correctness has done..."

Don't wait, dial it in now and see what a mess it is!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sure does seem like that but I for one am not trying scare anyone away from the hobby,just felt the code should have stayed. I hope the changes of the code comes back as it was a real challenge for me and one worth doing.
Not saying that others shouldn't do it,heck I only used it a few times over the past 25 years and enjoyed listening to it. I been all over the world and am still traveling for the next 7 years. In all those years have enjoyed hearing it from all over the world. Being in the Persiaan gulf in both wars and hearing NMC and NRV from there on 8424 khz.
Its a fun and terrific hobby and its the most enjoyable one around,doing alot of dxing from overseas in both the Philippines and Diego Garcia.
Code for me has always been fun and a challenge and one I wished they kept on the licensing but again its sounds like those groups who wanted to rid it got there wishes.
Just a personal opinion
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well..if they wanted it bad enough..why didn't they just do it...? Forget all the other crap...ITU, etc..Let's make it simple...if it was wanted bad enough..& serious enough about it..they would've done it..& that's the bunch headin' this way now...period...We can speculate all about the whole World doing this, & dropping that, fact is...they didn't feel like it...didn't feel like playing the game the way it was played...That's the mentality heading this way....period..As I said..we'll see in a month & a half...Not gloom & doom..just 50,000 "Hams" that suddenly wanted to upgrade..Surprise!"...
Guess we'll just have to wait & see..won't we...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC5NYJ on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"FYI(just to make a point)..Took me 2 1/2 weeks @ 20 min a day to get to only 5WPM..& I work, etc, too..and I'm 55 yrs old..Hmmm?.. "

In that case, in the eyes of those who preceded you, your skills were nearly monkeylike. What if the requirement had been dropped to 3wpm instead of eliminating it completely? Then you could really have a heyday griping about those ignorant low-life 3wpm'ers. Think of it as the FCC saving you a bundle on TUms.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

"Don't wait, dial it in now and see what a mess it is! "


You're right..now take 50 times that....
 
Ignore the troublemakers.  
by AI2IA on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC has made a very wise decision in the interests of preserving amateur radio for future generations by dropping the Morse Code requirement. Now all those licensed operators who held off going for the General and Amateur Extra Class licenses have encouragement to go ahead, study, and pass those exams. This will increase the pools of hams with those licenses and entice others to come on in with entry level licenses and then take the exams and progress.
A few older snobs do not represent the majority of older amateur operators holding higher class licenses. The crackpot minority is always noisey, because that is all they can do to try to grab attention. Do not let these bad apples provoke you into saying bad things about the older hams. Many have been instrumental in promoting progess in amateur radio. In short, what we do not need is childish bickering and strife. Trust the guidance of the FCC, the ARRL, and the VECs. They have been good stewards all these years. If the majority stands by the Amateur's Code, we will continue well into the next century and beyond.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"In that case, in the eyes of those who preceded you, your skills were nearly monkeylike. What if the requirement had been dropped to 3wpm instead of eliminating it completely? Then you could really have a heyday griping about those ignorant low-life 3wpm'ers. Think of it as the FCC saving you a bundle on TUms. "


Yup..my skills were monkey-like..but i still passed it..I probably can only still do 5WPM..but again..I still did it.Lol..

Umm..Hmmm?...I see you didn't take the Element 1?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
""Don't wait, dial it in now and see what a mess it is!"
You're right..now take 50 times that...."

Doubtful. First, no room. Second, no mass exodus, at least not in two months. Third, ham radio gloom and doom nonwithstanding, it's been said before when changes were made and has never materialized. What makes this time any different?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
For once the FCC has put us in control of something. The short-sighted and narrow-minded only see this as a bad day for ham radio. We can replace the test with complaining, disrespect and barriers, or we can show our new hams the way and grow ham radio and CW interest. This is not a victory or loss for anyone, yet. Anyone here claiming this ruling is a loss or victory for their side is wrong. This is an opportunity.

Do you want to be remembered as the one who blew it and killed the spirit of ham radio with cynisism, jabs, and ill will, or the one who took advantage of it and brought new, quality operators into the amateur service who contributed to making things better and ensuring the existence of ham radio into the future? The choice is yours.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well..this time it's about getting on HF...not VHF-UHF

If you build it..they will come..

..Seem's they're starting to pile in here now..so..See ya all later..&...for what it's worth Good luck..
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing  
by KC2IGY on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This thread should be re-titled "Grumpy Old Men". I laugh at all the holier than though types in here with their panties in an uproar. It's pretty ironic that all these old-timers seem to have the CB lingo down pat.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It seems to me that there are two types of folks here…those that think a ham radio license is a privilege that they should EARN, and those that think it’s a right that they deserve…it’s a reflection of who we are in America today…unfortunately, those that choose to EARN their way in America have to pay for the MISTAKES of those that think these things are their right to have….
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC2IGY on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
RADIO123US Wrote: "It seems to me that there are two types of folks here…those that think a ham radio license is a privilege that they should EARN, and those that think it’s a right that they deserve…it’s a reflection of who we are in America today…unfortunately, those that choose to EARN their way in America have to pay for the MISTAKES of those that think these things are their right to have…"

What exactly have you earned? You don't even have a Call Sign on here. No-Call Troll. Grow a set, and then come back.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KC2IGY said "What exactly have you earned? You don't even have a Call Sign on here. No-Call Troll. Grow a set, and then come back."

QCWA 20wpm Extra...

It shouldn't matter to you though...you'll get your freebie license soon...
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KF2VA on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Crack me up or what. The rules have changed, the code requirement is gone and you guys are still argueing about it!!! It's been this way for the last twenty years and I really doubt that it will ever change.

For those who had every excuse imaginable to NOT learn the code... and now exclaim that they WON. Well, I really didn't think it was a competition.

For those who see it as a demise for the hobby, well my friends the hobby has been changing for a long time. I'm sure it will continue to do so, unless the FCC decides that it is more profitable to sell off the band space.

Bottom line is that it sure appears that we will argue this long into the future. I guess we will never grow up.

KF2VA
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Radio123us claims:

"QCWA 20wpm Extra...
It shouldn't matter to you though...you'll get your freebie license soon..."

If you were a ham and for that long, and were actually a 20wpm extra, you would take pride in posting under your callsign. All you are is a fraud, a wannabee, and a potstirrer. You were before and will always be.

Like KC2IGY said, grow some, then come back. Wait a minute, first get a ham license, then the other two. Maybe you'll have a bit of believeability then--maybe.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
People are quick to bring out the "dumbing down" and "everyone wants their license handed to them argument", but no one seems to realize how hypocritical this tired argument is.

In the early days of radio, our predecessors had no formal test but the barriers to entry were very high. Your "test" was building a rig and that's how you got on the air. Often one had to even manufacture their own components. Our forefathers might scoff at the fact that you and I don't have to build a rig to get on the air, and look upon us unfavorably just like some people here today are (though probably they would be a lot more polite) due to what to them would be very easy tests. Or they might be impressed with the way we continue to voluntarily build equipment despite not having it as a test or entry requirement.

The requirements to enter ham radio back in those days make the requirements of today, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and 30 years look like kid's play. Requirements will undoubtedly change more in our lifetimes.

The "dumbing down" and "license hand out" arguments do nothing but belittle new hams coming in and insult existing hams who support the elimination of the code test.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS said "If you were a ham and for that long, and were actually a 20wpm extra, you would take pride in posting under your callsign. All you are is a fraud, a wannabee, and a potstirrer. You were before and will always be. "

Chris, welcome to the HF bands...too bad you didn't get a chance to EARN the privilege...I hope to work you some day ...

73
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC2IGY on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
RADIO123US Wrote:

"QCWA 20wpm Extra...

It shouldn't matter to you though...you'll get your freebie license soon..."

Sure you have. We believe you. Come back when you get a Call Sign. You embarrass the real 'Extras'.
 
RE: Ignore the troublemakers.  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
but we don't always have to agree with the decision.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KC2IGY said "Sure you have. We believe you. Come back when you get a Call Sign. You embarrass the real 'Extras'. "

The only one's that will be an embarassment will be those that will PROUDLY hold a "No-Code Extra" ticket...I guess it's more of a SHAME to ham radio though...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KE3HO on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This one sure did bring a lot of comments very quickly! I have scanned through them, but have not read them all, so someone else may already have said this. While the dropping of the CW requirement is a significant event, I think the more interesting thing in this article is that the FCC did not move the CW/Data sub-band up as the ARRL requested, but simply agreed to change the top 15 kHz of the new CW/Data sub-band to permit automatic control. Once again, the FCC demonstrates that they realize that the ARRL does not represent ALL US amateurs, and bases their decisions on input from individual hams as well as input from the ARRL. I hope this point is not lost on the people in Newington.

73 - Jim
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC2IGY on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
RADIO123US the "No-Call Extra" Wrote:
"The only one's that will be an embarassment will be those that will PROUDLY hold a "No-Code Extra" ticket...I guess it's more of a SHAME to ham radio though..."

Keep trolling, 'No-Call'.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
".....PROUDLY hold a "No-Code Extra" ticket....."

Gee, did I miss something? I thought the classes from present on were Tech, General and Extra, with no mention of a 'no-code' or a 'plus' designator.

I'm truly sorry for those who would still think in terms of code/no code--ham radio will suffer for it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS said "I'm truly sorry for those who would still think in terms of code/no code--ham radio will suffer for it. "

Yes Chris..ham radio will truly SUFFER from "no-code"...but not for the reason you think...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Chris, I agree probably shouldn't use the term "No Code Extra"...it's an oxymoron...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It will suffer more from no call/license.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I guess one good thing that may come out of this, is once the DX stations hear the garbage pileups caused by all the newbie HF ops, they will move to CW...so, more DX for us to work...LOL
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KE6OUD on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N3OYO....



Well, never mind. Your posts say enough about your character.




And YES, I AM an American Trucker & Proud Of It!


73 to the rest of my fellow Ham friends & Merry Christmas...Charlie KE6OUD
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N1XBP on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Some of you need to just calm down. If you are a CW nut, keep right on doing what you've been doing. The new people won't know how to communicate with you and so you won't encounter them.

As for "destroying the bands", the no code techs (I suppose I should just get used to just Tech) have not caused any armeggedon on the amateur satellites where they currently can work plenty of DX and have only to pass the basic exam for admitance.

Also remember, there are portions of spectrum where people are actively enjoying "real amateur radio" without any licensing whatsoever. I don't hear them complaining about "CB riff-raff" in the Lowfer bands.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB1SF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
John (AE6RO) wrote: “At the risk of being called a "fruitcake", I'll happily turn back the technological clock to 1941 or so. No cell phones, PCs, televisions, or A-bombs.” and “KB1SF: Now that's just cruel. Wait till you turn into an OF! And it's Max Karl Ernst Ludwig P-L-A-N-C-K. You must be a recent graduate of our fine public schools. 73, AE6RO”
---------------
By golly, you’re right!

It IS Max Planck…spelled with a “C”. And, I should certainly know better, as I’ve worked with some of the fine professors from the institute in Germany named in his honor.

And, John, I already AM an “Old Fart”! But, I try not to let my education (Undergraduate Degree and two Master’s Degrees) get in the way of my learning…even when that learning comes from the Luddites among us.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N1XBP said "As for "destroying the bands", the no code techs (I suppose I should just get used to just Tech) have not caused any armeggedon on the amateur satellites where they currently can work plenty of DX and have only to pass the basic exam for admitance.
Also remember, there are portions of spectrum where people are actively enjoying "real amateur radio" without any licensing whatsoever. I don't hear them complaining about "CB riff-raff" in the Lowfer bands. "

Sorry, not a very good example...Both these "bands" require a certain amount of EFFORT to operate sucessfully...that's something alot of the no-coders are UNWILLING put forth....
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC8TLF on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
What on earth does cb have to do with ham radio? Next you'll be talking cutting down people using frs or push to talk cell phones joining the ham ranks. No wonder no youth wants to become hams. I'm 31 and all I hear is hatefull old people 80 percent of the time. There are some really nice guys out there, but seems like the rude people usually get them off the air.
I rarely find an interesting conversation. Our local repeater gets used maybe 20 minutes a day max. Ever year I hear less and less people. I rarely hear any of the nice people I met anymore. One of the locals said soon as his radio dies, he's not buying another are you too blind to see why? Ironically the ones complaining are the ones that are really killing amatuer radio and the only people they are going to have left to talk to is other hatefull people. The code is gone, so what? Life goes on. Maybe you should find some other hobby if this is making you so unhappy.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by VE3XDB on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The CW requirement was eliminated in Canada a couple of years ago. I don't think there was a mad rush of bad ops to the HF bands as a result.

However, this is an interesting development for the use of CW as an amateur mode. Before the change, there were 2-3 amateurs in our club who were interested in learning the code, every year. Since the requirement has been dropped, the number has dropped to zero.

Over the coming years, I don't believe the number of CW ops will be maintained. My guess is that in 5 years, CW activity will be half of its current level, and in 10 years, it will be 10% of its current activity level.

On the flip side, as we move into a new solar cycle, QRP will become more popular, and CW is the simplest mode for effective CW operations. So, there may be some interest during that time.

Either way, let's not be alarmist. Life is about change, and CW will be here for some time. It will be interesting to watch over the coming years.

73 and see you on 30 and 40 meters, CW of course!!

Best regards,

Doug VE3XDB
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KC5NYJ on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Just as you denigrate no-code hams, your comments are invalidated by the fact you have no callsign, therefore you are irrelevant. Poof...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N0ZLD on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This hobby has to many idiots and it will be nice when they die. We will be rid of them, and they of us!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KX8N on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"Well..if they wanted it bad enough..why didn't they just do it...? Forget all the other crap...ITU, etc..Let's make it simple...if it was wanted bad enough..& serious enough about it..they would've done it..& that's the bunch headin' this way now...period..."

You're feeling so sorry for yourself, you're incoherent.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KC2IJI on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Woo hoo. Some of you guys need a life.

As for this no code Tech, soon to be a no code General, I look forward to using the other bands on the 746Pro-and stretching my full size 160 meter dipole across the back yard.

The sky has not fallen, but you may have some new hams young enough NOT to discuss operations and medical issues.

Oh well, I guess my investment in a set of loops for 2m and 6m is mooted.

If I ever get so obsessed as some on this board, I'll seek therapy
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD7ZIW on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I wish I could remember the call signs of the ignorant dudes that swore they would quit amateur radio if this ever happened. Just want to say good bye to you. I've forgotten you already.

CW'ers ... I wish you the best with your hobby, support your activity and the bandwidth for it, but very glad to see the REQUIREMENT for it disappear.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
You maybe but many of us are not for what I read else where its just a poor excuse to claim oh I can't pass the code, anyone including a 5 or 6 year old could.The bad part that you probably don't notice the more who turn there license in that just one less person on the Ham bands and gives the FCC one more reason to take the bands away.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KA9S on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Lets establish who a CW operator is. From my perspective, CW operators are hams that routinely rag chew using CW. They have the ability to copy the code in their head without writing it down. They have no more difficulty transferring their thoughts from their heads into Morse code (using a key and not a keyboard) than you do typing your thoughts out on a keyboard. They can maintain a speed that is conducive to fluid conversation (arbitrarily 25 wpm and up). This is a big difference from those who "passed" a Morse code test (5wpm, 13wpm, 20wpm) but never became comfortable using it.

People who are not CW operators will always harbor ill feelings toward CW operators. Their very existence is a constant reminder of what the no-coder did not accomplish. All of today's victory celebrations over the death of CW establishes the mentality of most people today. This mentality is, "If I can't have it, you can't have it either". Expect the war against CW to continue. It will not end until there is total CW genocide.

Phase 1 - eliminate all CW requirements (road blocks) from the licensing structure.

Phase 2 - take away all set-aside spectrum from the now "extinct" mode and give it to the righteously deserving SSB masses.

Phase 3 - make CW operation illegal as it just annoys SSB operators.

Phase 4 - rewrite history such that CW never existed.

If you think CW will never be made illegal, remind yourself of the spark-gap days. At some point in time, the FCC decided that spark-gap could no longer be tolerated on the bands due to its antiquated technology and complaints from the practitioners of other modes.

The war is not over until there is total victory.

Maybe CW operators will become the clandestine freebanders of the future.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KD7LTN on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Okay, as of reading these comments that still bring up the arguments.. I have a few things to comment on..

Altho, I am a 'no-code' Tech I have been attempting to learn CW in order to pass the Element1 to eventually upgrade, but more pressing matters such as finances, home and family combined with low-income have kept that to a minimal... I purchased 3 ARRL books before taking the NCT exam due to the fact the FCC kept changing the requirements... I will admit that on the one hand I'm happy to see the CW test go, but think it should still be kept in order to work the CW freq's but not to gain license access to the voice modes of the same bands...

And many older HAMS keep mentioning their 'Elmers' well maybe the FCC wouldn't have came to this conclusion if more of you would 'ELMER' some of us younger folk that have came in from the CB bands (because we respected radio and want cleaner/more reliable/respectful conversations)... Personally, I dont want anything 'handed' to me, but do realize that the 'incentive' licensing is all in the wrong order...

(i.e. why would I purchase a piece of equipment that I can only listen to and takes up space and finances to listen to in order to make it easier to learn the knowledge required to operate it for over 2k$ when a better incentive would be to make it easier to get the license required to operate it and make the purchase of aforementioned equipment a more viable expenditure when it comes to the XYL)... personally I plan on Elmer'ing my son into the hobby and him watching me use 2m/70cm as well as other methods of communication has already sparked his interest (before he could speak)...

But here is one thought I'd like to see from all HAMS especially the CW'ers that can code @ 20wpm+... Instead of complaining about what the ARRL and FCC have/haven't done why not be part of the solution instead of the problem in this hobby (which is supposed to be enjoyable?) and be willing to teach us no-coders or at least offer assistance to us and show that this hobby is a 'Gentlemans/womans' hobby that is respectful..

Also, another note is that altho I really enjoy trying to get into the Emergency communications of this hobby in the public service aspect, unfortunately most of the RACES/emcomm nets are on HF bands that I can't operate on because of my difficulty in learning CW. as well as I am frowned upon just because of my license class.
 
RE: New question to debate!!!  
by W6PEA on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sounds like the correct question to ask.
I am a No code Tech....I have not been able to pass the code test. But I will re-take my general upgrade test and pass it, again my last test for General I passed but the CSCE is expried by about 4 months. I wish I would have passed the code portion but now I can study and pass the written tests for both the Extra and General.

happy Holidays to all
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K6IHC on December 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
By KA9S: ...People who are not CW operators will always harbor ill feelings toward CW operators...

*Always*? I know quite a few General, Advanced, and Extra license class hams who don't operate CW, yet they don't *harbor ill feelings toward CW operators*.

Why are so many generalizations often (and ignorantly) made here on eHam.net when discussing CW and Morse code testing?

And as for the *NCT* designation: last time I looked at my license, it said Technician...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD7ZIW on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Here's something to think about...Non coders don't need cw'ers support. It got done without you, in spite of you.

The battle is now in the other corner. Keeping cw. We all know that in a few years the FCC will try to kill cw. It's just a matter of time. Exactly where is the support going to come from? The majority maybe pushing to kill it and your several small voices wiil have even less impact then now. You need our support.

Instead of making enemies you should be enlisting allies. Welcome the players, make them curious about your hobby. These are the guys you want anyway, not the guy who studies code to pass a test then never uses it again. Instead you send the keep out message. Your fight has just started but you're too ignorant to survive.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WA7PRC on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
by KA9S:
"Lets establish who a CW operator is. [snip] They can maintain a speed that is conducive to fluid conversation (arbitrarily 25 wpm and up). This is a big difference from those who "passed" a Morse code test (5wpm, 13wpm, 20wpm) but never became comfortable using it."

Classify me in the former group! As a NOVICE, I would split wood for the woodstove while working stations at 20+ WPM -- I had to stop when the other station signed over to me! hi CW was all I was allowed and, like many others, I made the most of it.

"People who are not CW operators will always harbor ill feelings toward CW operators. Their very existence is a constant reminder of what the no-coder did not accomplish."

Perhaps that's the feeling of (at least some) no-code Techs but I don't hear that on HF fone today. But then, all current HF fone operators attained at least 5 wpm proficiency. Time will tell if that attitude shows up on HF fone...

"All of today's victory celebrations over the death of CW establishes the mentality of most people today. This mentality is, "If I can't have it, you can't have it either". Expect the war against CW to continue. It will not end until there is total CW genocide."

"Phase 1 - eliminate all CW requirements (road blocks) from the licensing structure."
"Phase 2 - take away all set-aside spectrum from the now "extinct" mode and give it to the righteously deserving SSB masses."
"Phase 3 - make CW operation illegal as it just annoys SSB operators."

When I couple R&O 04-140 with the prior 05-235, I'm nervous that there is distinct possibility that CW-only spectrum may eventually be whittled down to nothing. THAT would be sad.

Bryan WA7PRC

PS: CU on SKN!
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by CRAZYCBER_BRK19 on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Its about time they start the cereal boxtop licences. Yaaaahooooooieeeeeeee Good buddy see ya'll on channel 52 runnin my 500watt brick. R.I.P. morse code thats a big 4-10, moves on over you old farts us cb'ers are comin!!!!!!!! NCI#1352
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W2RDD on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well, as they say, to the victor belong the spoils. Or is it the spoiled; I've never been quite sure. Anyway, It has been a good quarter-century or so of at-the-key amateur radio for me. I know that, one day, the FCC will see to it that cw is an impossible mode to employ on its' diminishing frequency allotments, so I will fire up the Argonaut or SG2020 for a while longer but make other plans for a life out of ham radio. Like settling back in the comfy chair, lighting the pipe and reading some good books; listening to those opera recordings that have been collecting dust. Making my cardiologist happy by getting out and exercising more. Used to do a lot of that at one time. Maybe get back into star-gazing again.

To those who are delighted with the new order of things, I wish you well.

To those who, like me, are saddened by the recent FCC decisions, let's be greatful for time we have spent together communicating with with our bugs and keys. It has been an honor knowing you.

No government agency can take those memories away from us.

73
Richard
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
For many,no offense here but a no coder will never be consider a true ham as he didn't earn it the old fashion way,like the rest of us. For me I am and always will be proud to have earned the 13 wpm. Its not and never has been that hard. They use to have a conditional license forthe one's who couldn't do code but that was for medical reasons. A 9 year old passedd the Extra class years ago and that was the 20 wpm. Some will never accept the changes nor be happy about it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Here we go with the "old fashioned" way again.......

When are you people going to realize that YOU do not determine the testing requirements, the FCC does. No matter when or where, for that matter, you tested for your license, if you got it--if you have that piece of paper with your FCC issued callsign on it--you are a ham operator.

The holier than thou attitudes that some hams exhibit are the very attitudes that ruin ham radio for EVERYBODY, yourselves included. Get off your high horses. Get to the bands and to the supposed brotherhood that is supposed to exist there. You are the ones ruining that brotherhood--nobody else.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
As mentioned before some will never accept the changes and I for one don't like it but what else can I do. I would of preferred keeping the testing.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K0RGR on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Anybody who's passed the required tests at the time will be a 'real ham'. To say otherwise is to say that anybody who didn't build his own spark gap is not a true ham.

Amateur Radio has changed many times, and this is just another of those changes.

For me, the best short-term outcome looks pretty rosy.

If people don't just skip a level and take the Tech and General tests together, some of them will seek to try to use their new CW priveleges.

Now, with 200 watts of computer-generated CW on 80 or 40 meters at night, these newbies can work the world. As long as they keep their speed at 30 WPM or less, I can copy them by ear. If their computer can copy my keyboard, we can have a CW QSO, provided the QRM and QSB cooperate. I hope to see some 'watering holes' established for newbies wanting to use computerized CW, and get exposed to the mode that way.

I wonder if Radio Shack will come out with a new 10 meter rig? Winter Eskip season should start pretty soon - maybe we'll have some of those Techs on 28.4 real soon?

Longer term, who knows? I expect CW to be around for the rest of my lifetime, and that's hopefully a long time to come.

I don't know if we will get many more new hams, but I strongly expect us to retain far more of them now than we did before, and that's even more important. If we're really lucky, this change will resurrect a few tens of thousands of those who've dropped out.

I hope 20 meter SSB sounds like it did in the 70's once again.

As for the loss of 'tradition' - tradition has become the refuge of people who can't come up with any other reasons to oppose change.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD7QLU on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This discussion reminds me of a poem by a very wise man...


Now the Star-bellied Sneetches had bellies with stars.
The Plain-bellied Sneetches had none upon thars.
The stars weren't so big; they were really quite small.
You would think such a thing wouldn't matter at all.
But because they had stars, all the Star-bellied Sneetches
would brag, "We're the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches."

With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they'd snort, "
We'll have nothing to do with the plain-bellied sort."
And whenever they met some, when they were out walking,
they'd hike right on past them without even talking.....


The poem continues to provide a very valuable lesson. If you're not familar with how it ends then ask your child or grandchild, I'm sure they've read it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Yup...nice poem...look's like Dr Seuss..

Oh..Just out of curiosity..will you, by any chance, be afftected by the FCC ruling?...

Merry Christmas...
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by CRAZYCBER_BRK19 on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
any you god buddies now when this is goin to happen?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry..I'm not a "good buddy"..but..

It usually take's effect 30 days once it's posted in their records..but they "can" if they want have it take effect immediately...but probably end of Jan / early Feb..Look's like Christmas came early...

Merry Xmas....
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KB1SF: Hmmm, could this be a back-handed complement?
I cannot tell a lie. I doublechecked the spelling of Max Planck's name on the dreaded Yahoo.
No-one can say that technology has been an unmixed blessing. I just think hams had more fun any time before 1975. If that makes me a Luddite, well it can't be any worse than being Libertarian.
For example, you may have heard that a Hacker broke into a UCLA database and stole names and Social Security numbers. It only took UCLA a year to discover the theft. One of my alma maters, <BTW>
Try doing that with vacuum tubes! 73, AE6RO
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N0NZL: Ham radio hell? A Yaekencom 9000 with a gazillion memories. Works DC to Daylight with 1000 watts of CW only! Heh, heh. AE6RO
 
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by W5EEX on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
CW is an will continue to be the most reliable mode on HF. With the FCC's (other) brilliant decision to let BPL run virtually "unregulated"...maybe some of the newbies will be inspired to learn and use CW just so they can communicate through the BPL noise....enjoy it while it lasts guys.
73
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>maybe some of the newbies will be inspired to learn and use CW just so they can communicate through the BPL noise

Or they may be inspired to run CW because they see *us* having a good time using it. The key is, we have to be there having a good time for them to see it. If the negative attitudes, ignorance, insults, and doom and gloom seen here in this forum infects our clubs, CW and ham radio is doomed.

It's all up to us....
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>I just think hams had more fun any time before 1975

Not I. I'm in my thirties and wasn't licensed until 1984. :-) I didn't have the most fun until 1999 when I joined a club and bought a Kenwood 850 and a Bencher key and put up a dipole. Now there's a Kent on the desk and a quad in the air, and about seven other rigs.

The Golden Age of Ham Radio is whenever you make it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD2KU on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
ARRL
"It Seems to Us . . ." Restructuring II

By David Sumner, K1ZZ
ARRL Chief Executive Officer
March 1, 2004

When it was available, the Advanced license had a 13-WPM Morse requirement and a written exam on par with the Extra; since the privileges one gains on going from Advanced to Extra are mostly in the CW bands, it makes little sense to withhold them from Advanced licensees when the Morse exam for the Extra is now 5 WPM. So the Board concluded, as it did five years ago, that the Advanced should be merged into Extra.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WI7B on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

>I just think hams had more fun any time before 1975

I want to echo K3NG's insight. I was licenced in 1978 as a Novice, then quickly moved to Tech and passed my General written exam. I plateaued at 10 wpm (a typical plateau, unfortunately, in code learning for many hams). Yes, I sat in front of black-suited FCC examiners that looked like they came straight out of "The Men in Black" film. I sat in too-small school kid desks at the FCC HQ in Chicago to take the exams and code test.

Was it worth it? For ten years I had a blast with my HW-16 Op CW, and then with my TS-520S with 2m trasnverter. I had a blast using 2m repeaters in the early '80's and autopatch before cellphones.

Every era has new experiences, new insights, and new opportunities for hams. I bet the spark gap hams before 1912 thought they had the only freedom and real fun, as well.

73,

---* Ken


 
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by WA7PRC on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
by N6HPX:
"They use[d] to have a conditional license for the ones who couldn't do code but that was for medical reasons."

The Conditional Class license was a General Class license that was administered by proxy. A person had to show he/she was either over 250 miles from an FCC office and/or had a physician's statement stating it would be a physical hardship to appear at an FCC office for the exam. Proficiency in Morse was still required.

Bryan WA7PRC
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by KD5NR on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K4UUG ......>>>TO YOU PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE THE CHANGE THE FCC HAS MADE GO POUND BRASS!WE WON <<<<

Oh, that really helps ..... acting like a gloating eight - year old. Just goes to show.....some people are hams and some people just have licenses.
 
No Code Technician (NCT)  
by WD8JMM on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is in answer to a very early post on this thread, where it was asked when the NCT would be allowed to use the HF bands. I believe, according to the FCC Memo, that Technician licensees will be allowed use of HF in the CW subbands. I am not being an apologist for the FCC (doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either) but it is my belief that the HF Phone bands are still reserved for those who pass a General class examination. The only thing that has changed is the requirement for Element 1 credit for General or Extra.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>I bet the spark gap hams before 1912 thought they had the only freedom and real fun, as well

Very good point. I can imagine the horror they felt when licensing was announced after years of fun free-for-all unlicensed operation. There were also several times early in our history when the future of amateur radio (from a regulatory standpoint) was in question. The potential risk from this latest change is so miniscule to some of the changes our predecessors faced.
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by N6HPX on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
You might have won the fight for now but from what I been seeing the battle may not be completely over as there are alot of groups protesting the ruling, and as in the past could be turned around...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W7IB and K3NG: Speaking of insights, did you notice that both of your posts are written in the past tense? It's like you're saying the "golden era" is behind you already.
As far as King Spark went, they probably did think they had the most freedom and fun. Rigs were simple and cheap, and no license required. Maybe they DID have the most fun after all.
The licensing came in after the Titanic wreck when all the QRM from all their freebanding made it hard to hear the distress call. It took the Carpathia many hours to reach the wreck, and by then most people in the water had died. But there was a ship much closer that may not have heard through the QRM amd didn't respond.
There's a big difference between spark and CW operation. CW is still compatible with modern operation. My 2 Yens worth. 73, AE6RO
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB1LPE on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
OK, I've got a Tech license. I've got a CSCE for Element 3. (I have been studying for Element.) So now what do I do? Take my license and CSCE to the closest exam session, pay the exam fee (even though I will not be taking an exam) and wait for my General license in the mail?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Not yet you have to wait till it <heaven forbid> become law..I hate the idea..
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
> Speaking of insights, did you notice that both of your posts are written in the past tense? It's like you're saying the "golden era" is behind you already.

It's certainly not my intention. Although I'm in a bit of an operating slump due to recent work hours, it's been a solid Golden Age since 1999 for me. My interests are QRP and 6 meters. There's more QRP gear than ever and homebrewing is alive as it ever was. This past summer 6 meters was on fire. I've been wanting to get into boatanchors, maybe even try some AM. Hamfests have gone down the tubes in my area, but Ebay lets me shop for gear at home.

Folks keep on talking about how terrible it is, but I just don't see it. Even 80 meters isn't that bad once you listen to it some. Sure, there's some bad apples, but all in all, there's plenty of good people to talk to on all modes. The worst of amateur radio I've seen is here, on QRZ.com, in email reflectors, and on DX clusters.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K3NG: Thanks for clearing that up.
I tried 6 meter FM and didn't like it. Just got alot of BS from a certain 6 meter club and balled out by a repeater owner (you know who you are!). I should ball him out for parking his repeater on public property.
I know I should just turn the other (butt)cheek.
Too citified for 6 meter SSB or AM.
I like boatanchors too. Especially vacuum tube type.
You can work on them and even see the parts! I have worked QRP, not lately though. 73, John AE6RO
 
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by K1GB on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I emailed the ARRL VEC today regarding the status of those holding an Element Three CSCE, but have not yet
received an answer. No doubt they are inundated with emails. As a VE I too would like to know what is going to happen; what will be the valid effectivity date on the CSCE which will be honored for upgrade to General? And yes, you will have to go to a VE session, fill out the paperwork and plunk down $14 to receive a "paper upgrade". We have to wait until all of this becomes the "law of the land" before we get any definitive answer.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB1SF on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
John (AE6RO) wrote: KB1SF: Hmmm, could this be a back-handed complement?
I cannot tell a lie. I doublechecked the spelling of Max Planck's name on the dreaded Yahoo. No-one can say that technology has been an unmixed blessing. I just think hams had more fun any time before 1975. If that makes me a Luddite, well it can't be any worse than being Libertarian. 73, AE6RO
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Nothing "backhanded" about it, my friend. You got it right. I HAD spelled Max's name wrong.

And, while you and I may be on the opposite sides of the issue here, I've always tried very hard never to let that fact deter me from sharing learning with others. Sometimes (as in this debate...a debate whose outcome has clearly already been decided) we let our emotions get the better of us. And I'm just as guilty of that as the next guy.

In fact, I'd written up yet another "flame" to toss into the mix here and elsewhere, but have since thought better of it. Why bother? People already know where I stand on these issues, so why create even more hard feelings over something that, in the grand scheme of things, is little more than a pimple on the rear-end of progress? On the other hand, by reading some of the comments posted here, one would think the FCC just killed the Pope and cancelled Christmas.

Clearly, the Morse testing issue has been an emotional one. And, clearly, the FCC's decision (prompted by the ARRL) years ago to closely tie mastering it to granting access to our Service's mainstream operating frequencies has only made the "undoing" of that approach all the more painful. This is largely why dropping the Morse requirement in other countries (like Canada) came and went with nary a whimper. To their credit, by keeping things simple, government regulators in those "other" countries never signed up to the ARRL's license-class-and-operating-mode, regulated-sub-band-based foolishness in the first place.

But, unfortunately, we ALL are now paying the emotional price for the FCC's decision years ago that divided us all up into multiple castes of "haves" and "have-nots". That's because, along with creating "incentives" for people to "upgrade", they also created a system that enabled all the bigots and snobs in our hobby to inflate their egos and drive away newcomers with their condescending rants…all at taxpayer expense.

Morse will be around on the Ham bands long after you and I are dead and gone. What say we get on the lower end of 20 Meters and have a good CW rag chew sometime?

Oh…and one more thing…. you also got something else right. I AM a Libertarian!

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WR8D on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Guys and gals, if any of you every wondered what it was that's wrong with amateur radio just skip though the above comments. I see old and new all at each others throats. I believe there's more newbies trying to thumb their noses at the older more experianced amateurs too. Cw is just one of the many modes we have to enjoy. Yes the requirement to know it is gone but the mode will not just up and go away as it seems so many of you seem to want. This division in our ranks will continue to grow. Just look at the tech comments, are some of you actually old enough to be on here? Are you using your mommy and daddys computer? You sound like childred. Amateur radio is looking for people with "character". Cw has never made anyone a better ham. From what i see here, "not" knowing cw sure isn't going to fill the void either. Those of you soon to be coming to hf better leave your little chips on your shoulders right here on these threads. There's thousands of respectable amateurs that look at this like i do and we'll take that ego down a notch. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays John WR8D
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AE6RO: Yea, repeaters can get weird. They're a lot like clubs and Internet forums. A few bad actors think they can use these for their own personal chew toys or manipulate them to stroke their egos. We have to do our best to squash these negative forces in ham radio.

It's too bad you can't do 6m SSB or CW in your area. It's a ball when there's an opening. I like getting into CW ragchews with local people when the band is closed.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>I believe there's more newbies trying to thumb their noses at the older more experianced amateurs too. Cw is just one of the many modes we have to enjoy. Yes the requirement to know it is gone but the mode will not just up and go away as it seems so many of you seem to want.

Which forum are you reading? It can't be the same one I'm reading.

I haven't read every last post, but I haven't see anyone wanting CW to go away. There's been perhaps one or two insulting posts directed at CW operators, but for the most part most of the negativity has been directed towards new hams who came in without code tests and those who have supported the elimination of the code test.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KB1SF: Unfortunately I don't have 20 meters now. But I do have 40 meter CW and last year worked the East coast a few times. With a short vertical and 35 watts.

Now that I've had a chance to think it over, I can say dropping the code requirement was inevitable. It's hard enough to get the younger ones interested in ham radio since they can just use cell phones, chat, internet, etc.
Also thought it funny that the Techs and Tech Plus will only have 10 meter voice, the rest will still be CW. They have to wait until February next to take the theory for General, but can take the 5 WPM test now if really in a hurry.
I wanted to be a Libertarian back in the 1970s but a liberal friend talked me out of it. I think being for personal liberty is a good thing! 73, AE6RO
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K3NG: I'd have to retune my antenna to get on the lower end of 6 meters, which might not be a bad idea.
Just worried about TVI issues on CW or SSB.
80 or 40 CW isn't going to ruin anyone's "Night Gallery" rerun viewing. I don't think.
Like I said, I turned the other butt-cheek to those guys. I mean what can you do about it? The frequency is public property but the repeater is their private property. If they don't want to talk they don't have to. 73, AE6RO John
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse....get a life!  
by 5R8GQ on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
TO: VA6SV who said:
>To those of you on both sides of this (silly) >debate...
>GET A LIFE!!

I agree completely!

The debate is OVER! There's NOTHING you can do about it now. GET OVER IT and GET OVER YOURSELVES, both sides.

There are wars all over the world, millions of refugees, millions of children dying from lack of food, clean water and common vaccinations. We are polluting the planet beyond recognition....and oh yeah, global warming.

But OH no! The FCC says no more CW requirement!
THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING!
REPENT AND BE SAVED!!!!!!!!!!!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K0MU on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
(I say this with tongue-in-cheek)

I don't think the HF bands will bust at the seams. I don't see any increase in activity whatsoever.

Why would any modern radio operator want to use the antiquated shortwave bands with all the fading and static?

Any self respecting recently licensed code-free amateur will certainly steer free of such an old fashioned mode as SSB or put up with the lightning crashes of shortwave.

Echo link is the way of the future.



 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB1SF on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
John, (AE6RO) wrote: "Now that I've had a chance to think it over, I can say dropping the code requirement was inevitable. It's hard enough to get the younger ones interested in ham radio since they can just use cell phones, chat, internet, etc. Also thought it funny that the Techs and Tech Plus will only have 10 meter voice, the rest will still be CW. They have to wait until February next to take the theory for General, but can take the 5 WPM test now if really in a hurry".
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John, it would appear that we are in "violent agreement" on these points.

I have a 14 year-old daughter who couldn't care less about Amateur Radio, and I haven't pushed the issue.

From my many years as an Amateur Radio instructor, I learned long ago that becoming a Ham is something that absolutely has to come from within if someone is to do anything other than simply get a license. Or, to put it another way, people who "force" their spouses or children into becoming licensed do neither themselves nor their kin any favors. All they are doing is breeding bad feelings all around.

Specifically, my daughter has told me she now has absolutely NO interest whatsoever in carrying on a conversation over the air with a bunch of "cornballs" (as she calls them) who speak and act just like her "Old Fart" Dad does.

So, in that sense, by actively keeping newcomers OUT of the hobby over the years, we've become our own worst enemies when it comes to attracting youthful newcomers to sustain the Service after the rest of us are long gone.

And you are also correct that while many, Morse-testing-forever curmudgeons have been breathlessly predicting the end of CW on our bands (if not the end of Amateur Radio itself) the FCC, by its actions, is actually encouraging just the oppose.

That is, once these changes are all in place, ALL Technician licensees -- whether or not they have passed a Morse code examination -- will have "Tech Plus" operating privileges.

This means "no code" Techs will have all of their current VHF/UHF and above frequencies and also will have access to the Novice/Technician Plus frequencies on HF, with a power limit of 200W PEP for Technician operators. These frequencies include:

3525-3600 kHz CW only
7025-7125 kHz CW only
21,025-21,200 kHz CW only
28,000-28,300 kHz CW, RTTY and Data
28,300-28,500 kHz CW, SSB

But, as you have so eloquently implied, in order to effectively USE all their "new" HF frequencies, no-code Techs are now (gasp!) going to have to learn Morse!

And, isn't that what "incentive licensing" was supposed to be all about anyway?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KG6TT on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I had held out hope that the ridiculously minimal 5wpm might continue for Extra class amateurs, but I knew it wouldn't. It couldn't. Too many pressures from too many sources... Bad or good I doubt this is a change that would ever be reverses so we need to all work within this new framework. CW has meant different things to so many. Hopefully this change will remove some of the heated divisiveness that has existed for so long. Now hams can truly choose what they prefer to do. Without the International requirement for Morse Code within the International Amateur Radio community there was no logical reason to keep it as a mandatory entry component... plain and simple... even though many hams like myself would have preferred it to remain for numerous other reasons.

Virtually every change in FCC regulations regarding Amateur Radio these past years has been to simplify the administrative burden of a shrinking FCC while trying to insure that the remaining body of amateurs operate in a manner that minimizes the type of inadvertent activities that far too often result in negative impact to neighbors, the community, other services, and of course the international community itself. The emphasis of 'required knowledge' for the three classes of licenses (Technician, General, and Extra Class)have shifted from evaluating technical capabilities of the individual to just what operators need to know to keep their day-to-day operations reasonably civil, safe and generally politically correct (more or less) (Yes, the FCC did learn from the CB experiment).

How many still understand the 'clicks' of land-based Morse Code? Perhaps in another 30 years the same question/answer will ring true for the CW style Morse Code so many of us enjoy today. Times change. Things change. We change.

I learned my Morse Code to slightly over 20wpm about 45 years ago. For me it was a passion. A right of passage! To become like my Elmer (someday). AND difficult as all heck too. I was a 13 year old boy who lived in the country about 100 miles from the nearest FCC office. And that office only gave Amateur Radio exams twice a year. I remember my father saying... "you got one shot at this, so you better make it count". So there was no stopping at 5 wpm or even 13 wpm. Every night I practiced for nearly a year. It was never easy. NEVER! But I never stopped and I never regretted that effort for one minute even to this day. When I finally went for my test I passed each and every one of them. Not because I was lucky... or because I found it easy. Because I had to pass and I had been willing to do what ever it took to do so. But that was me... that was then. I don't see myself as all that unusual either. I never envisioned a time when potential hams would hesitate at the gate for 5 wpm code! But times changed. People changed. The value of becoming a part of the Amateur Radio Service simply isn't the same for everyone.

OK, I've said my peace. I'll continue along as a VE because that is one way I give back. Regarding the Morse Code? WEll, for as long as there are others who share that passion and we have the forum to use it, I'll be there.

73 (sorry, that is "Best Regards" to all future hams),

Jerry, KG6TT
Fairfield, CA
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by NL7W on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
With this last measurable and demonstrated skills standard removal, this act is the culmination of licensure standards reductions spanning roughly 15 years. Amateur Radio has forever changed -- for the worse.

The long-standing ham operators, those who worked hard to earn their privileges many years ago, are shaking their heads in disgust, like I am. All the while, the long-standing no-code techs (NCTs) are gloating.

While the sky hasn't fallen, it's a dark day for amateur radio. Being an amateur radio operator with a once respected Amateur Extra Class license, looked upon by outsiders and hams alike with envy and respect only a few short years ago, I find our respect and dignity has been reduced, as a whole, to little of nothing.

Today's amateur radio "incentive licensing" program is a joke -- no demonstrated and mesurable skills exam, no unpublished and secretive written exams of yesteryear -- you remember the tests developed to actually measure comprehension -- not memorization.

These recent actions spell one thing, a likely but short-lived increase in Amateur numbers (quantity), which are inversely proportional the overall technical knowledge base (quality). These new "hams" will NOT have the same zeal, drive, and capability of the quality hams of yesteryear. This is sad. Ham radio has lost its way, no longer meeting its stated objectives laid down in Part 97.

Ham radio has lost its way; it's now just another hobby. What a shame.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD7ZIW on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KB1SF and the other voices of reason. I know it's a hard pill to swallow for some but the acceptance protects the CW hobby, where the egotists and detractors are going to kill it off.

This is BIG news in the marine world. Nearly every cruising yacht has a ssb on board, very few are hams, most are on the marine ssb frequencies, using the same Icoms, yaesu, and kenwood rigs with a pactor for sailmail. Many are excited by this news, opening a path for them on the ham nets related to marine activity and maybe tying the marine and ham nets together. This could be interesting for the person sitting at home, making contact with a boat in the South Pacific, hearing of volcano's in the middle of the ocean, earthquakes, tsunami's, coral reefs and lagoons and even checking through the corrupt customs officials in Nieafu, Tonga. Ever talk to a yacht in Niue or Aitutaki or Fanning Island? Want comprehensive travel information in a country YOU are planning to go to? A place to get your laundry done in Lifuka? Even a place to stay for a few days...FREE? This will have a huge impact for the mariners and bring something of interest for most hams. Rescue offshore is done by the marine nets mostly, sending other yachts in the area out for assistance, calling helicopters, tracking boats, relaying weather, etc. Emergency response is a primary goal of hams, so you ever think about coordinating a response at sea, keeping track of 4 boats, and directing their progress to an isolated spot in the Pacific, getting the right resources to the people who need them and saving lives? Everything I listed here happened in the last 6 months on the marine nets, multiple rescues or just responses to problems. This opens the door for the ham nets and oppurtunities for the guy at home to be a real world hero...without leaving his home. It's a great thing that the FCC did. JMO
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lic.  
by KLEMM on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KD7ZIW
Great post!
73 K7VIN
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W5EEX on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
CW testing may be going away....so be it...but CW as a mode of operation will be around for a long time. I have
noticed a marked increase in CW operation over the past few years, probably to the credit of groups like FISTS. Just take a look at the number of registered FISTS members. It will be a pleasure to stay in the CW band segments and QSO with those who have an appreciation of CW and are there working the mode because it is fun and because they like it......maybe some of those QSO's will eventually be with those who get NC licenses and figure out that CW really IS a fun mode....to those, I say WELCOME!
--... ...-- -.. . .-- ..... . . -..-
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD5BFE on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Seriously, the content of this thread is truly pathetic.

When I'm making a contact on the radio, I could care less if my contact is a Novice, Tech, General, Advanced, or Extra licensee. All I care about is a good QSO and whether my rig is running as efficiently as possible. If the greatest achievement of your life is earning your Extra ticket, then I really do feel sorry for you because there is so much more to enjoy in life than getting the highest amateur radio "rank" in the US.

Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to take my no-good, NCT self down to the exam session in January or February, whenever this new rule takes effect, and I'm going to get my General ticket. Then I'm going to fire up the Icom 737 I've been listening to for five years and join the conversation for once. If you don't want to talk to me because I didn't pass the code test--fine. You don't have to answer back my CQ. I'm going to learn the code, but it's going to be on my time and my terms. Everyone here is a ham because they are licensed, that is the rule.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB1SF on December 18, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steven (NL7W) wrote: "With this last measurable and demonstrated skills standard removal, this act is the culmination of licensure standards reductions spanning roughly 15 years. Amateur Radio has forever changed -- for the worse.

The long-standing ham operators, those who worked hard to earn their privileges many years ago, are shaking their heads in disgust, like I am. All the while, the long-standing no-code techs (NCTs) are gloating.

These recent actions spell one thing, a likely but short-lived increase in Amateur numbers (quantity), which are inversely proportional the overall technical knowledge base (quality). These new "hams" will NOT have the same zeal, drive, and capability of the quality hams of yesteryear. This is sad. Ham radio has lost its way, no longer meeting its stated objectives laid down in Part 97.

Ham radio has lost its way; it's now just another hobby. What a shame.
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I've always found it fascinating how two different people can view the same developments from two entirely different perspectives.

In analyzing many of the comments from those who are upset at the FCC's latest step to eventually de-regulate our Service, the word "earn" seems to perpetually crop up in their comments.

As I have said, I'm convinced this is a direct result of the FCC's decades long incentive licensing system that has forced learning down our throats (or up various other orifices of our bodies) one question and/or one Morse character at a time. That system has then "rewarded" us for enduring that ongoing assault on our brains (or, in the case of Morse, our ears and our fingers) by giving us yet another sliver of the Amateur Radio spectrum to play in.

So, yes, in that sense, it is absolutely understandable that these folks wholeheartedly believe they have "earned" those privileges, and are (in their minds) justifiably angry that now newcomers won't have to endure such pain and suffering…like they all had to do back in the "good old days".

Of course, what's completely lost on these fine folks is the unspoken implication that our US Government is apparently now convinced that we are all such lazy bums that the ONLY way we'll ever learn anything and amount to much in Amateur Radio is for the Government to treat us all like a group of monkeys in a zoo, feeding us "treats" (access to added frequency spectrum) for successfully performing various training rituals in the manner that "Big Brother" wants us to.

So, rather than obsessively pining for a return of such a system, I should think all of us would now be rising up in angry protest against such condescending negative reinforcement and then absolutely refuse to continue being insulted in such a way.

As far as the "stated objectives laid down in Part 97", I fail to see how the perpetuation of Morse testing negatively impacts any of those objectives. Certainly, we'll be increasing the pool of operators, and more operators means more people to foster international good will. In addition, it would seem to me that more operators would also mean more people will be available to assist in emergency communications. And, yes, by removing the Morse testing barrier, more operators will now be able to experiment and "advance the radio art". That's because they will be spending more time experimenting and operating with a NUMBER of different forms of radio communication, rather than being arbitrarily prevented from doing so by their own lack of innate ability to master a single mode….you know, the one they named after Mr. Morse.

I think it's also important to remember that these are objectives that have been laid down in the United States in Part 97. They do NOT constitute how our Service is viewed nor regulated internationally. In fact, the only words the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) uses to define Amateur Radio are that it is "A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training, intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by amateurs, that is, by duly authorized persons interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest".

The key word in this simple definition is "self-training". Nowhere in that definition does it imply that a Government absolutely MUST set up a huge training system to force us into learning anything. To me, self-training means just that…we simply train ourselves on our own time and when and where we wish. Internationally, we have ALWAYS just been a Service consisting of people interested in radio with a personal aim, and if we happen to learn something about radio and communication along the way, then so much the better.

Few people in the USA also understand (nor appreciate) the fact that it was the FCC who added all the extra gobbledygook in Part 97 about Amateurs performing "public service", and "emergency communications", or of "contributing to the advancement of the radio art", or of "advancing skills in the technical phases of the art", creating a "pool of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts" or even in "enhancing international goodwill".

NONE of those objectives outlined in Part have ANY direct connection whatsoever in the International regulations that define our Service. The were all hatched right here in the good old US of A.

This issue is just one more example of how the FCC took simple governing rules laid down internationally and then, by adding layer upon layer of "Mother May I?" gobbledegook, hatched such absurdities as "incentive licensing". While doing so, they also carved up the internationally allocated, bandwidth-based Amateur Radio spectrum into smaller and smaller slivers of frequency space based on license class and operating mode. And, then, to top it all off, they set up a complex, multi-tiered licensing system to hand out access to those frequencies much like Boy Scouts earn merit badges.

Put another way, the FCC took a simple concept and then in typical, US Government fashion, morphed it into a grand "national electronics training system" designed for absolutely NO OTHER PURPOSE than to crank out armies of trained electronics technicians and RF engineers with one goal in mind…to feed the then MASSIVE U.S. electronics industry.

Are you feeling used and abused yet? If not, you should!

As I've said, most other countries never bought into the FCC's "incentive licensing" idea. And, as a result, nowhere else in the world are our bands now as carved up (with regulated sub-bands (and even sub-sub bands)) by license class and operating mode as they are in the United States. Elsewhere, the Amateur Service is regulated almost exclusively by bandwidth, not by license class or operating mode. This is probably why most other countries in the world that have chosen to do so were able to easily drop their Morse testing requirement (or make it optional as the Canadians did) without even skipping a beat.

Unfortunately, the FCC dug itself into a deep regulatory "hole" back in the 1950's when they hatched their "incentive licensing" and "national radio training system" foolishness. And now, the accumulated changes (and "changes to the changes") they've been forced to write into Part 97 since that time to keep the whole "incentive" farce marginally workable over the years means that the regulatory changes now needed for them to reverse it all are going to be truly sweeping in scope.

So, my friends, we'd all best get used to lots of changes to our Service in the months and years ahead. Dropping the Morse test was only the latest piece of a blatantly obvious FCC strategy to finally undo the discriminatory regulatory MESS their predecessors created in the 1950s by trying to make the Amateur Service into something it was never, EVER intended to be.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by NL7W on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
My liberal friend to the North,

We now have a complete lack of credible baseline testing through the erosion of technical test questions, removal of any demonstrated skills exam, shrinkage of test question pools, and the publication of all question and answer test pools. Today's baseline equates to memorization without comprehension or skill. What a shambles.

This is sad...

Next, we'll have "No Test International" pushing their "No Ham Left Behind" campaign with our progressive Senators and Congressmen. You know, the one, singular, ham license consisting of 10 grade-school level RF safety questions, with potentially hard frequency limits. You know, ham bands with no distinction between license classes, or modes for that matter -- an on-the-air free-for-all lacking any potential discrimination or order. Oh, you must sign on the dotted line after affirming to abide by the service's rules and regs -- just like CB radio of old.

Yes, the fat lady has sung, but she hasn't finished yet. I foresee a short spike in the quantity of operators, but not the quality of operator/experimenter. The gates, what's left of them, will be opened wider, attracting the unmotivated, less-educated, "gimme" crowd.

The insanity, or the mental disorder known as liberalism, will continue...

P.S. Did someone mention a cut-out license from a Corn-Flakes box-top? I did on QRZ months ago...


 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by K1LDS on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W5TD:

Of course ADA applies. It's the "Amateur Radio Service" not the "Amateur Radio Hobby," and you have to get a government license.

However, I'm not convinced that there is any legitimate disability which would prevent an otherwise capable person from passing a CW test, no matter how silly the CW requirement might be.



 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by N3OYO on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The day it goes into effect you'll think you were listening to Channel 19 at the peak of the sunspot cycle...Sit back & listen...
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by N3OYO on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"However, I'm not convinced that there is any legitimate disability which would prevent an otherwise capable person from passing a CW test, no matter how silly the CW requirement might be.



How silly it "Was"....Now it (the license) drop's out of a cereal box...
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by K1OU on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! IT'S A CLINTON/TREEHUGGER CONSPIRACY!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>The insanity, or the mental disorder known as liberalism, will continue...

This has nothing to do with liberalism or politics. To link this to liberalism is misleading and disingenous, just as it would be to link conservatism to either side or call you a fascist for your views. It's acceptable for you to disagree with the decision to remove the code test, but please don't insult those who support one view or another in this debate.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K8MHZ on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"However, I'm not convinced that there is any legitimate disability which would prevent an otherwise capable person from passing a CW test, no matter how silly the CW requirement might be."

I know people that cannot distinguish between the lengths of the tones, that is they can't tell a dit from a dah, and I also know people that get the tones reversed in their heads, for instance they can't tell an R from a K, no matter how hard they try.

They won't be musicians, that's for sure! They also may not be physically capable of passing a code test.

I would just like to know how their deficiency for learning code affects their behavior on the phone bands. From what I have heard on 20 and 75 meters, passing the code test can turn you into a foul mouthed a-hole.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD5BFE on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
NL7W:

What you fail to realize is that bad operators and freebanders are going to be around whether there's a morse requirement or not. They've already been around for years, anyway!

Think about it. I've owned an HF rig for about 5 years now and in between my busy school and work schedule I've probably managed to listen to it for maybe a total of 30 hours. I've never talked to anyone with it because I do respect the licensing system and I wouldn't want to violate the law. However, I do know that there are many folks using either fake or non-qualified callsigns to make many QSOs on unauthorized frequencies. These people aren't going to be affected by the dropping of the morse requirement because their behavior has no incentive to change anyway.

Now, you can claim that you have a better comprehension of the radio art because you didn't have a question pool to help you study for the exam. I say bollocks. There are so many questions in the pool that if you actually tried the rote memorization route you'd still have much more than a rudimentary comprehension of RF theory. I'm pretty sure that someone gave you the tools to pass the exam in your day, and I'm sure it was much more than just a copy of Ohm's and Kirchoff's laws painted on the wall of a cave.

Amateur radio is moving above and beyond anything Marconi ever imagined. The future of digital communications techniques needs to be explored beyond the joke of a 5 WPM morse test, and I'd rather see a test that focuses more on effective operating techniques versus highly technical electronics training.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K8MHZ on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"The day it goes into effect you'll think you were listening to Channel 19 at the peak of the sunspot cycle...Sit back & listen..."

Why wait, listen NOW.

Check out 14.275 in the afternoons or early evenings and most of the Extra portion of the 75 meter phone band at night. We already have our own 'Channel 19' crowd.

It can only get better.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WA4MJF on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K8MHZ, we make accomadations
for those who have problems as
you described.

In this case, a sending test
or a flashing light could be
used to overcome the hearing
problem you describe.

Happy Holidaze!

Ronnie
ARRL VE
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W9WHE-II on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Here are some terms that we now need to become familliar with:

"See-ya on the flip-flop" (talk with you later)

"Keep the shine-ey side up" (have a safe trip)

"Walking tall, tree top tall" (you sound good)


So, now, where do I get my "power mic" and "roger beep"?

Good buddy!


 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W9WHE-II on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K8MHZ writes:

"I know people that cannot distinguish between the lengths of the tones, that is they can't tell a dit from a dah..."

So what?
They can take the code the way a deaf person would....VISUALLY with a light.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB1SF on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steven (NL7W) wrote: "We now have a complete lack of credible baseline testing through the erosion of technical test questions, removal of any demonstrated skills exam, shrinkage of test question pools, and the publication of all question and answer test pools. Today's baseline equates to memorization without comprehension or skill. What a shambles.

This is sad...

Next, we'll have "No Test International" pushing their "No Ham Left Behind" campaign with our progressive Senators and Congressmen. You know, the one, singular, ham license consisting of 10 grade-school level RF safety questions, with potentially hard frequency limits. You know, ham bands with no distinction between license classes, or modes for that matter -- an on-the-air free-for-all lacking any potential discrimination or order. Oh, you must sign on the dotted line after affirming to abide by the service's rules and regs -- just like CB radio of old."
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Well, Steven, I didn't write the anti-discrimination laws. Our US Congress did. So, it would seem your real "beef" is with them, not those of us who believe in following laws once they are declared Constitutional and/or become the law of the land.

And, the issue is NOT whether this person or that person can pass such tests. The issue is whether or not the SYSTEM of tests the FCC is now perpetuating is "systemically" discriminatory against people, who for absolutely no fault of their own such as a severe mental or physical handicap, simply can't pass them.

As you have also pointed out, there was a time (in the "pre-question-pool" days) when simply memorizing the answers to multiple choice questioning wasn't sufficient to pass the FCC exam(s). You had to KNOW your stuff. Certainly, part of that "knowing" could come from "book learning". But, I firmly believe a lot of it had to also come from practical, hands-on construction or on-the-air experience. This was one of the nicer things about the old Novice test. You took a simple test (mostly over rules and regulations) and THEN you GOT ON THE AIR to get some practical, hands-on experience.

And, like many folks here, I, too, took Morse tests and drew schematics on many an examination paper and then had them corrected by a REAL FCC examiner! There were no multiple-choice, online test thingies (a la QRZ.com) where you could memorize a bunch of test questions and answers…stuff that meant little or nothing to you…and still pass the real test.

I contend the latter approach IS NO T LEARNING! At the very least; it's certainly does NOT encourage a deeper understanding of what the material actually MEANS. This, in turn, makes the whole concept of incentive licensing…at least the modern day, bastardized version the FCC has been cramming down our throats the last 20 years… little more than a stupid farce at best, and an absolutely HUGE fraud at worst

Would someone…anyone…please tell me how the innate skill of memorizing test questions (and the correct answers to same) has ANYTHING to do with what we REALLY need to know to be highly skilled and knowledgeable in the technical, legal, operational and communication phases of the radio art?

It is clear, beyond any shadow of doubt, that the current FCC exams (along with the "publish the question pool" approach they have now adopted) have ALREADY "short-sheeted" the Ham Radio licensing system to little more than a mental masturbation exercise that simply measures how well people can memorize questions out of a pre-published question pool and then pass multiple choice-type tests.

Or, to put it another way, the FCC written examinations have now become simply a test to see how well people can take and pass such tests…NOT how well one understands (or can apply) the material contained therein.

This, in turn, has formed the basis for my continuing rant that the current FCC tests are clearly and blatantly discriminatory…in two ways. First, they unfairly discriminate against mentally handicapped people who, for whatever reason, find standardized, "memorize and flush" testing to be a barrier. But, more importantly, since the only thing the current FCC tests actually measure IS someone's innate human ability to memorize material (which has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the skills and knowledges that they'll need to know and practice as Hams) the tests are measuring the WRONG things. That, too, is legally discriminatory because the Amateur Radio Service in the United States is a public (vice a private) institution.

Now, I well realize that the FCC is NOT about to get back into the examination business. THAT bridge has already been burned. And, as a direct result of that decision, I believe the responsibility for teaching that material to newcomers has ALREADY been passed back to us in the Amateur Radio community.

So the question now becomes what are we (you) going to do about it?

I think, by now, we are all in "violent agreement" that the FCC written tests have become (and will continue to be) a joke that nearly anyone (except, perhaps, those people with mental handicaps) can easily pass without really learning much of anything. What's more, for good or ill, the FCC has decided that Morse now needs to go the way of the dinosaur. So, continuing to piss and moan about FCC "giveaways" and how the tests have all been "dumbed down" accomplishes absolutely nothing. We really need to move on.

But, move on…to where? And how?

Maybe we need to start asking questions like, "In the complete absence of such FCC "incentives", in what ways might we, the Ham community, start putting at least SOME semblance of structure back into the entry process for our Service?" That is, in what ways might we create REAL incentives for people to learn the more technical and operational phases of our hobby…besides handing out more frequency and mode privileges that can be just as easily gained simply by memorizing a bunch of multiple-choice test questions?

In another forum, I called attention to an editorial authored by Rich Moseson, W2VU, in his “Zero Bias” editorial in the January, 2006 CQ Magazine. I believe Rich beautifully illustrated one way we might begin looking inward (rather than to the FCC testing structure) to get us back to the kind of teaching and learning that has been Ham Radio's hallmark from the very beginning.

Rich talked about the “University of Ham Radio” as a college of sorts where learning is going on every single day. However, in this “university” there are no grades, no tests, no papers, and no deadlines. If a “course” doesn’t suit you, you can “drop” it at anytime without penalty. If you want to declare a “major” you can do so, simply by delving into a particular aspect of Ham Radio with gusto, sometimes becoming a leading expert in the field. Others (like me) choose to learn a little bit about a lot of things. To me, THIS is where the real “learning” takes place in Amateur Radio. It certainly doesn’t come from cramming for yet another stupid FCC multiple-choice test over questions out of a pre-printed question pool.

The truth is that those newcomers who REALLY want to learn more about electronics and complex RF theory are going to do so, regardless of the “easiness” or “hardness” of the test(s) they have to take to get their initial Amateur Radio licenses.

So, in what ways might Rich's idea be expanded to ALSO offer those newcomers who would like something to put on their walls to say they’ve learned their "stuff" (that is, besides their FCC licenses that only prove they know how to take and pass multiple choice tests)?

What's more, with the impending demise of Morse testing for an HF license (which I believe, under current law, had also become legally discriminatory) it is clear that WE are going to have to now pick up the slack for encouraging and perpetuating the "tradition" of using Morse within Amateur Radio among newcomers. And, contrary to what many here might think, I believe this is a worthy goal.

In fact, one of the regular posters in another forum, (Walt, W5ALT) has, under the auspices of SPAR, now developed a prototype online Morse certification system that might well give newcomers something to shoot for while at the same time encouraging them to learn Morse. I think Walt's idea is excellent, and more than worthy of full-scale development and wide distribution.

And how might Walt's idea also be incorporated into Rich's concept?

The bottom line here is that, for a whole lot of practical and legal reasons, I believe the FCC is clearly on track to officially "deep six" their entire 1950s-era incentive licensing system. Doing so will simply be the culmination of a series of actions they've ALREADY taken in past years with that goal clearly in mind.

Those prior actions include turning the entire Amateur Radio testing system over to the VECs, moving to multiple choice tests and publishing the test pools, reducing the number of license classes from five down to three, and, now, dropping Morse testing entirely from the exam and licensing structure. They've also made it known they'll entertain proposals on how best to implement regulating our Service by bandwidth rather than license class and operating mode.

Each of these actions is a clear indicator that the FCC plans to massively deregulate Amateur Radio in the United States in the not too distant future. So, we'd best get used to (and start planning) for that eventuality NOW before they toss the whole squeamy, squirrelly mess back into our laps.

And, for better or worse, the days when studying for the FCC tests would actually give new Hams the knowledge and skills needed to be "good" (or "real") Hams are LONG since gone. And they ain't coming back.

But that also gives our community a unique opportunity to begin picking up the slack.

So, my friends, how and where might we begin?

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KD7GWD on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The thing that upsets me with the code test being dropped is I am automatically going to be hated now since I have not passed my code test .

I could make many excuses , but the fact is I haven't taken the test . I don't even talk on the bands I am currently allowed on enough as it is . Time is valuable , and I just don't have enough of it . Married men with a few hobbies and a home to take care of don't have too much time except for when I am in my truck .

I may not even bother upgrading my license , or using the HF frequencies . If I am automatically going to be hated .
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I just wanted to say a few words about the Extra class exam.
I'm not one of those Bright Young Men who can memorize everything and vomit it forth on demand.
The last time I took an FCC test was in 1975 in front of an FCC examiner. That was the Morse code test and theory for Advanced, which I passed (finally) and held for many years.
When I heard the code requirement had been dropped for Extra, I got the ARRL book and studied it an hour a day for two weeks.
I did not get a perfect score on the test; the examiners were amazed I didn't miss more than I did. But I passed.
My point is unless you are superb at memorization it isn't so easy to pass. 73, AE6RO John
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I just wanted to say a few words about the Extra class exam.
I'm not one of those Bright Young Men who can memorize everything and vomit it forth on demand.
The last time I took an FCC test was in 1975 in front of an FCC examiner. That was the Morse code test and theory for Advanced, which I passed (finally) and held for many years.
When I heard the code requirement had been dropped for Extra, I got the ARRL book and studied it an hour a day for two weeks.
I did not get a perfect score on the test; the examiners were amazed I didn't miss more than I did. But I passed.
My point is unless you are superb at memorization it isn't so easy to pass. 73, AE6RO John
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I just wanted to say a few words about the Extra class exam.
I'm not one of those Bright Young Men who can memorize everything and vomit it forth on demand.
The last time I took an FCC test was in 1975 in front of an FCC examiner. That was the Morse code test and theory for Advanced, which I passed (finally) and held for many years.
When I heard the code requirement had been dropped for Extra, I got the ARRL book and studied it an hour a day for two weeks.
I did not get a perfect score on the test; the examiners were amazed I didn't miss more than I did. But I passed.
My point is unless you are superb at memorization it isn't so easy to pass. 73, AE6RO John
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W9WHE-II on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KB1SF WRITES:

"So, my friends, how might we pick up the slack"

Easy.


FIRST: Learning the new lingo of ham radio:

See-ya on the flip-flop" (talk with you later)
"Keep the shine-ey side up" (have a safe trip)
"Walking tall, tree top tall" (you sound good)


SECOND: By pruchasing a "power mic" & "roger beep".

Did someone say "Copper Electronics"?




 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I still believe any one could pass it at the 5 wpm, as a 9 year old did it years ago and got her Extra. I think the FCC made a mistake on this and this is a sorry excuse for getting more into the Ham radio. Its not that hard to pass.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
""The day it goes into effect you'll think you were listening to Channel 19 at the peak of the sunspot cycle...Sit back & listen..."

Why wait, listen NOW.

Check out 14.275 in the afternoons or early evenings and most of the Extra portion of the 75 meter phone band at night. We already have our own 'Channel 19' crowd.

It can only get better. "
************************************************

"It can only get better"..............

Oh really?...Just add 50 zillion more...of (not all now, but a lot!) of persons not wanting to play the game the way it "was" played before..but will be "happy as a pig in s%$^" to oblige now....VHF-UHF drew some before when the Technician Class was set up..but now open HF for a memorize/guess only quiz... ?....Stand back & watch..It's gonna get real interesting..You'll probably wish you still had only 14.275 & 3898 to put up with....

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K6LCS on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AMENDMENT OF PART 97 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO IMPLEMENT WRC-03
REGULATIONS APPLICABLE TO REQUIREMENTS FOR OPERATOR LICENSES IN THE
AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE. Amended Part 97 of the Commission's Rules to
Implement WRC-03 Regulations Applicable to Requirements for Operator
Licenses in the Amateur Radio Service. By Order on Reconsideration. (Dkt
No. 04-140 , 05-235). Action by: the Commission.
Adopted: 12/15/2006 by R&O. (FCC No. 06-178). WTB
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-178A1.doc>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-178A1.pdf>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-178A1.txt>
ADDENDA: THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, RELEASED DECEMBER 18, 2006, DID NOT
APPEAR IN DIGEST NO. 242:
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KD7GWD: I don't think you will automatically be hated. Just give HF a try when you get a chance to upgrade. Besides, there should be lots of other new people to talk to. HF is a lot better than VHF. The gear isn't any more expensive, particularly if you get on 10 Meter FM.
Being divorced does leave me more time for hamming though. 73s and Happy Wholidays, AE6RO John
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K3NG on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The official order is out:

AMENDMENT OF PART 97 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO IMPLEMENT WRC-03 REGULATIONS APPLICABLE TO REQUIREMENTS FOR OPERATOR LICENSES IN THE
AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE.

Amended Part 97 of the Commission's Rules to
Implement WRC-03 Regulations Applicable to Requirements for Operator Licenses in the Amateur Radio Service. By Order on Reconsideration. (Dkt
No. 04-140 , 05-235). Action by: the Commission.
Adopted: 12/15/2006 by R&O. (FCC No. 06-178). WTB

<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-178A1.doc>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-178A1.pdf>
<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-178A1.txt>

The fat lady has sung. Do you want to sit here and moan, complain, whine, insult, troll, and make personal attacks, or do you want to move on and keep CW and ham radio going through our positive efforts?
 
RE: WE WON THE FIGHT CW IS REMOVED AS A TESTING RE  
by KC8URV on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

I am a no code Tech I have spent the last few years trying to learn code I have passed the General and feel I could pass extra. I have worked on my station very hard an I have built two HF antenna's and have A fairly good start on a HF station. I like the old radio's Glow in the dark type and Will be very happy to be able to fire them up and talk and not have to get A friend who is a general to come and sit in the shack so I can get on the air. Hopefully now when I do get on the air I hope to find real Hams one's that are interested in operating with us no coders and not complaining about us.
Merry Christmas and Peace to all Hams
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Locals here they read in Popcomm there are over 14 million cb'ers, what a scary thought of that would be on Ham.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
CW may be a lousy mode but one that I have found that hardly fades as much as other bands. Hearing the USA in the Persain gulf many times...where I couldn't hear SSB at times.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Those Ammendments...hmm, dont take effect I believe until law but they can still be protested, for my self the CW should have stayed.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K8MHZ on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"So what?
They can take the code the way a deaf person would....VISUALLY with a light."

It's not a problem with their ears, it is a problem with perception. They would have the same problem using light.

Just how many deaf people have taken the Morse test this way? I sure don't hear *any* deaf people on SSB and I don't think any of them hear me, either.

Also, how would they learn using light? There are no practice tapes, obviously. And how would they use CW once they got licensed? With a computer? If so, no need to be forced to 'see the light.' I know of no piece of hardware that can change a radio CW signal to a readable flashing light.

Done deal, anyway. I guess the FCC doesn't see the light either. That's the was the cookie crumbles.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by WI7B on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!


I agree with the r&O released today, 12DEC2006

"REPORT AND ORDER AND ORDER ON RECONSIDERATION

Adopted: December 15, 2006 Released: December 19, 2006 By the Commission


...We conclude that these actions will further the public interest by removing unnecessary requirements from our Rules. Moreover, we believe that these changes will (1) encourage individuals who are interested in communications technology, or who are able to contribute to the advancement of the radio art, to become amateur radio operators; and (2) eliminate a requirement that may discourage amateur service licensees from advancing their skills in the communications and technical phases of amateur radio…

...At WRC-03, the international regulations applicable to the amateur service were revised in a comprehensive manner, resulting in more streamlined, updated regulations that reflect modern amateur radio communication techniques and technologies. Among other things, the WRC-03 Final Acts amended Article 25 of the Radio Regulations to allow each country to determine whether it would require a person seeking an amateur radio operator license to demonstrate the ability to send and receive texts in Morse code signals. The effect of this revision to Article 25 was to eliminate the international requirement that a person demonstrate Morse code proficiency in order to qualify for an amateur radio operator license with transmitting privileges on frequencies below 30 MHz.

...Based on our review of the record in the proceeding and on consideration of the various comments on this issue, we believe that because the international requirement for telegraphy proficiency has been eliminated, we should treat Morse code telegraphy as we do other communications techniques. In this connection, we note that our Rules do not require individuals to pass a practical examination to demonstrate some degree of proficiency in non-telegraphy communications techniques. Rather, individuals demonstrate knowledge of other communication techniques and technical qualifications by passing written examinations composed of questions that prove that the examinee possesses the operational and technical qualifications required for the privileges authorized by the operator license.

...We believe, therefore, that written examinations are sufficient to determine whether a person is qualified to be issued an amateur radio operator license. Accordingly, we conclude that the public interest will best be served by eliminating the telegraphy examination requirement as a separate examination requirement in the amateur service. To achieve this result, we will amend Section 97.501 of our Rules to eliminate the requirement that an individual demonstrate five wpm proficiency in telegraphy in order to qualify for a General or Amateur Extra Class operator license."


 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by NL7W on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
VA3KSF wrote:

"And, for better or worse, the days when studying for the FCC tests would actually give new Hams the knowledge and skills needed to be "good" (or "real") Hams are LONG since gone. And they ain't coming back."

Yes, not to long ago, ham radio used to attract the technical nerds interested in RF and electronics.

Not anymore...

Now, every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Sally can get their license. I suppose a Linux passion is in-order soon. This once inordinately technical endeavor is overrun with emcomm-related NCTs, 5-wpm and soon-to-be no-code Generals and "Extras" -- straight from street. Those who don't have the "knack", desire, or gumption of previous generations.

BTW, my liberal friend to the North, I really don't feel used and abused concerning what I willingly learned and comprehended at a young age, I feel grateful. Ham radio of old (25 years ago) guided me down my career path in RF and telecommunications. That reminds me, I must get back to my engineering work surrounding the installation, turn-up, and commissioning of the first-in-Nation Phase II, Project 25, digital, trunked, land mobile radio system in the USA.

Given the watered down requirements of today, I wonder how many talented teens today will look upon the hobby's simplistic licensure requirements with the same gusto as before? They won't, for they'll be attracted to technical avenues with outward signs of far greater technical challenges.

It boils down to this downwared spiral: Licensure standards drop precipitously (already happened); the less technically inclined overrun the tech ranks (already happened); the less-technical cry foul -- it's still too hard to advance to choice licenses (already happened, code is dropped); written testing standards continue to be reduced, and lesser quality folks flood the ranks; these "everyday" folk demand their "circle of friends" join with all equality; all worthy testing is removed, and the unregulated free-for-all operations begin.

The exclusivity, uniqueness, and technical nature that was once Ham Radio is gone. Enter the new "Citizens' Band". I'm sure Icom can include a roger-beep with their new IC-7000 Mk II. 10-4?



 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by NL7W on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC says, "...We conclude that these actions will further the public interest by removing unnecessary requirements from our Rules. Moreover, we believe that these changes will (1) encourage individuals who are interested in communications technology, or who are able to contribute to the advancement of the radio art, to become amateur radio operators; and (2) eliminate a requirement that may discourage amateur service licensees from advancing their skills in the communications and technical phases of amateur radio…"

-- What a line of BS. They've gone against the majority of amateur operators and the League with this far-reaching baloney.

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Morse was never unnecessary its just as good as any other mode. The FCC just gave a free ticket to the NC without passing the other tests. I and alot of others worked hard for that part of the Tests and they should have you guys do the same. CW is not and never was a dead mode.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by W4SK on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I have been following this thread with great interest. Factually, few could say they didnt know this FCC action was coming.

However, of all the posturing and explanations and name calling and profanity, I dont see where anyone has yet addressed the issue (or more properly, the lack) of pride.

Pride.

Many of you will remember this word. Some (K2LES, K4UUG) will remain clueless.

Pride. The sense of accomplishment. Work and reward. Reap and sow. Reaching a goal through the application of effort.

When a person has nothing invested in their ham "license", then we really shouldn't expect them to treat it with respect.

And that, my friends, is the greatest loss.

-W4SK
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"-- What a line of BS. They've gone against the majority of amateur operators and the League with this far-reaching baloney."

I think you better recheck this--yes, they went against the ARRL, but the comments they received on the question were close to 2 to 1 or more for dropping the code.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3NG on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>And that, my friends, is the greatest loss

Actually, the greatest loss is when we lose the brotherhood and friendship of amateur radio over a simple, ultimately meaningless rule change. An even greater loss will occur if we don't welcome our new hams and show them the magic of CW and get them interested in it. This is what needs to replace the test and give everyone a sense of accomplishment.

Are we going to lament this change forever, or are we going to take advantage of the opportunity presented to us and make amateur radio better?

I posted this before, but I think it's important to consider what the FCC HASN'T eliminated:

CW
the CW bands
CW operators
the fun of CW
the reliability of CW
the magic of CW
CW history
new hams becoming interested in CW
old and new hams who love CW
quality ham radio operators
CW demonstrations at Field Day
the CW mode button on your rig
copying an S1 CW signal
elmering
CW contests
CW DXing
the magic of radio
the unique sound of CW sent from a bug
QRP CW
code practice
a good fist
CW classes
building your own CW rig
a raspy aurora CW signal on 6 meters
CW traffic handling
exchanging written Morse code messages with your children for fun
the brotherhood of Amateur Radio
public service
technical innovation
education
the future of CW
Amateur Radio

Only we can eliminate or maintain the above items through our actions.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W8JAS on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
To Cling W5CPT and others with this attitude:
>>>
You may hold a license issued by the FCC to operate on the Amateur Bands, but you will never be a HAM.....<<<

I would then also add that if you cannot operate Moonbounce, satellite, all digital modes including MFSK, PSK, RTTY, Hellschreiber, Olivia, Packet, APRS, PAX, Domino, CCW, SSTV, Digital TV, Fast Scan TV and all their variants, and be able to operate in any condition with QRP, then you will NEVER be a HAM.


 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by CRAZYCBER_BRK19 on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Good news--FCC drops Code testing. Now we have to get them to drop the written exam and make everybody an extra class. The good ole days of CB are back again with no limit on power and channels. Trade my Palomar 500 watt brick for a 5KW brick. Can you hear me now good buddy; 10-4 NCI#1352
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by NL7W on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS:

Prove it.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by RADIO123US on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W4SK said "When a person has nothing invested in their ham "license", then we really shouldn't expect them to treat it with respect. "

This is so true....and what's sad is alot of these folks are PROUD of the fact that they won't have to work for their ticket...kinda tells us a little about the character..doesn't it ???
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KC0SUS on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
How will this affect my Echolink?

Okay, back to morse code now....
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
NL7W, you said: Prove it.

At the FCC website, in their EDOCS system, there is a record of NPRM 05-143, In the matter of:
Amendment of Part 97 of the Commissions rules to implement WRC-03 regulations applicable to requirements for operators licenses in the amateur radio service.
In that record in section 9 there is this statement:

9. Petitions: The largest group of petitioners requests we eliminate all telegraphy proficiency testing requirements from the Commissions amateur radio operator license examination rules.

I saw somewhere the comments were running two to one for the removal of code testing. When and If I find that reference, I WILL post it.

Thank you for your statement, it made me recheck another thing I wanted to know. 73.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!

"Was the dark of the moon, on the sixth of June
In a Kenworth, pullin' logs
Cabover Pete with a reefer on
And a Jimmy haulin' hogs
We 'as headin' fer bear on.."..Uh..uh oh..

Ooops..sorry...I was thinking about Element 1 being dropped..& for some reason..that started running thru my mind...Sorry...


73'..Merry Christmas
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N2OMU on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Very interesting comments....I for one, would like to ban messages in this forum that are not accompanied by a call sign. Got something to say, then identify yourself!!! Otherwise it's just gutless Propaganda. I expect the FCC will be busy with complaints from newcomers about intentional interference from the 'Element 1 Crowd”. I wonder if the OO's will even care?

N2OMU
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Yup..Probably newcomers and codeless pseudo-Generals upgrading from Tech also..
Probably going to be a real treat...


73' Merry Christmas
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by MACGUFFIN on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
> Very interesting comments....I for one, would like to
> ban messages in this forum that are not accompanied by
> a call sign. Got something to say, then identify
> yourself!!! Otherwise it's just gutless Propaganda. I
> expect the FCC will be busy with complaints from
> newcomers about intentional interference from the
> 'Element 1 Crowd”. I wonder if the OO's will even care?
>
> N2OMU

First, if you want every one to use their call sign as a user name then I suggest you go over to QRZ.com.

Second, this is a computer I'm typing into, not a radio. When the FCC starts requiring a license to use the Internet is when I will use my call sign on a computer.

Third, how much intentional interference have you been getting from Canada, Australia, Germany, or any of the other two dozen countries that dropped the Morse code test? Why would the USA be any different?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by CRAZYCBER_BRK19 on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I don't have a lisence yet. to hard to get. I want it free. 10-4 god buddy NCI#1352
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by NL7W on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS said:

"I saw somewhere the comments were running two to one for the removal of code testing. When and If I find that reference, I WILL post it.

Thank you for your statement, it made me recheck another thing I wanted to know. 73."



Please do.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by NL7W on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KC0SUS said:

"How will this affect my Echolink?

Okay, back to morse code now...."



Please stay on the internet... oh, I mean Echolink.

73.
 
Anyone else notice . . .  
by K1LDS on December 19, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
. . .that all of the childish behavior in the comments to this article come from the CW-forever types?

In the decades that I've been a ham, this has been the pattern. The only actual whining and whimpering on the subject has come from those guys and their forebears. Those of use who saw no need for the requirement offered reasonable explanations of our point of view, while they tried to convince us that the only thing keeping the Earth from falling into the Sun was the Code requirement.

Their argument seems to fall into two categories -- either "I had to do it so you gotta do it" or indications that they think their manhood is reflected by pounding with their fists.

Interestingly, if you look at their profiles, they have whole long lists of all the storebought radios, amplifiers antennas and even programmable, automatic keyers they have, but rarely do you see any proof that they know which end of a soldering iron you hold.

Listen to the CW portion of the bands, and you hear a lot of keyers and very few keys. You can tell the difference, if you are lucky enough to hear anyone using a straight key, yet these guys go on and on about how a "real" ham uses CW.

That's like saying that a "real" driver starts his car with a crank.




 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K6IHC on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N6JSX wrote:
There are issues here that the FCC has never answered with previous degraging of HAM license requirements - that require clarification - now even more so.

Will HAM's with NO proven/tested ability to use Morse Code be allowed to use Morse Code to Part 97 ID their transmitters over the air? I say NO, as the FCC cannot hold them accountable for CW/Morse ID errors.

There are HAMs that have never been tested for CW/Morse proficiency - should they be allowed to use CW mode? I say NO, as the FCC cannot hold them accountable for CW/Morse ID errors.

How will the FCC note in the database who has been FCC CW tested to insure HAMs do not communicate with a CW bootlegger violating Part 97?

*************
Hmmmm, Mr. N6JSX. I've never seen anything in Part 97 that indicates that you have to pass the Element 1 exam to be able to operate CW/Morse Code.

A Technician class ham can legally operate CW (where that emission class is allowed) on any of the frequency bands they have available to them in their license class.

I've used CW on the 6m band before, and I have never taken the Element 1 exam. But that's not to say I've never studied Morse code...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Might as well get used to it...and get in the groove....LOL


http://www.cybertrucker.co.uk/convoy.mp3
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1OU on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Grow up, people. It's a hobby.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W9WHE-II on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The ONLY thing seperating us from CB is the standards. Take away the standards and we WILL become CB.

We are now 1 step closer to CB.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by AE6RO on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Better to have neo-CBers in the ranks than to lose the bands entirely to commercial or other interests.
At least hams have to pass the written theory test to show we have a brain.
10-4 good body! 73, AE6RO and Happy Wholidays
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Roger-D on that..When my ARRL membership expires this time..it stay's expired..

Catch ya on the flip (...Roger beep)
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N3OYO on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
"The ONLY thing seperating us from CB is the standards. Take away the standards and we WILL become CB.

We are now 1 step closer to CB. "
**********************************************
Yup..It's not about standards anymore..
It (sniffle) just wasn't fair...
From now on..HF will lovingly referred to
as "Channel 19"

!0-4
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1OU on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Don't like the changes? Afraid we are becoming CB? Do me a favor. Sell your stuff, let your license lapse, and get out of the hobby. Also, the last time I checked, the ARRL does not make the rules. If you want to boycott someting, boycott the FCC.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W9WHE-II on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AE6RO writes:


"At least hams have to pass the written theory test to show we have a brain".

Not for long, my friend.
Just how long do you think it will be before there is an effort to eliminate the written exam? Afterall, that "technical stuff" is unnecessary, just like CW.

We are just that much closer to CB!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1OU on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Jonathan (W9WHE),

Check this link...

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-178A1.txt

Nowhere in the list of commenters do I see YOUR name.

Kind of up there with people who don't vote yet still complain about the government, don't you agree?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by W9WHE-II on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KB1SF writes:

"Each of these actions is a clear indicator that the FCC plans to massively deregulate Amateur Radio in the United States in the not too distant future"


For once, Keith and I agree.
The Amateur Service is headed toward massive deregulation.... soon, we will be deregulated. Just like CB.

Afterall.....testing is SO unfair!
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N7UQA on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
AE6RO writes:


"At least hams have to pass the written theory test to show we have a brain".

W9WHE responds:

Not for long, my friend.
Just how long do you think it will be before there is an effort to eliminate the written exam? Afterall, that "technical stuff" is unnecessary, just like CW.

We are just that much closer to CB!


Jonathan, these are the same long wore out arguments that have been spewed since the no-code tech license. Tell you what, why don't you now include a boycott of the FCC in your QRZ profile. You could include this with your ARRL boycott that has been effective as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

If you're so disgusted with this ruling why don't you take my and K1OU's advice and turn in your license for cancellation and sell ALL your gear on ebay. CW hasn't been a primary mode of communication for decades, yeah, I'm sorry to see it go but I'm not going to stomp my feet like a spoiled brat the way you and some others do.



Craig - N7UQA
 
Jonathan needs a highchair and bib for Christmas!!  
by K1OU on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Craig,

The funny part of it is that our scholar Jonathan waited until the code standard was reduced to upgrade to General back in '01.

On top of that, if you look at the R&O, you won't see his name listed anywhere on the list of commenters.

You'd think that as a lawyer, he would know the proper channels to lodge his complaints. I guess eHam and QRZ must be the place for that!
 
RE: Jonathan needs a highchair and bib for Christm  
by RADIO123US on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The no-code CBers think they have reached the HF "promised land"...I have a feeling they will face a less than warm welcome when they get there...both figuretively and literally...the folks that are already on HF (the ones that earned it) will have NO RESPECT for the fact that the newbies didn't EARN their privilege, and the bands will be unuseable because on of the massive influx of unskilled and untrained CB types... all of them calling CQ at the same time....you think DX pileups are bad now, just wait until the newbies get their wide band CB amplifiers on the ham bands....

 
RE: Jonathan needs a highchair and bib for Christm  
by N7UQA on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
RADIOS123US wrote:

The no-code CBers think they have reached the HF "promised land"...I have a feeling they will face a less than warm welcome when they get there...both figuretively and literally...the folks that are already on HF (the ones that earned it) will have NO RESPECT for the fact that the newbies didn't EARN their privilege, and the bands will be unuseable because on of the massive influx of unskilled and untrained CB types... all of them calling CQ at the same time....you think DX pileups are bad now, just wait until the newbies get their wide band CB amplifiers on the ham bands....



As for one who took the Novice, Technician, General, Advanced, Extra and had to take the 5, 13 and 20 WPM code tests, will be welcoming these 'no-code nubies' to the ham bands. As long as they demonstrate good technical and operating practices I have NO problem with this (witch is a lot more than I can say about some of the OT's who passed the 13 and 20 WPM code tests).

When I was studying for my Novice back in 1990, I listened to some of the problem frequency's. 14313 kHz, 3950 kHz and 7255 kHz, there was music playing, foul language, CB noise makers, etc, etc, etc. And ALL this coming from Generals, Advanced and Extra class amateur radio operators. I had the common sense to KNOW this was wrong and KNEW this was NOT the norm. I can only recall one or two instances where I was greeted with disdain, but the overwhelming majority welcomed me to the amateur radio service.


Craig - N7UQA
 
RE: Jonathan needs a highchair and bib for Christm  
by K1OU on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N7UQA has it right...

"As for one who took the Novice, Technician, General, Advanced, Extra and had to take the 5, 13 and 20 WPM code tests, will be welcoming these 'no-code nubies' to the ham bands. As long as they demonstrate good technical and operating practices I have NO problem with this (witch is a lot more than I can say about some of the OT's who passed the 13 and 20 WPM code tests)."

If the argument were true that CW acted as a character filter, then K1MAN, WA4D, Dr. Don Miller, or WB2OTK would have never existed. It is an absolutely asinine logic that drives this theory. Because one person has an ability to do something well, then ALL people with this ability have high morality and decency.

 
Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh yeah  
by NL7W on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Do we all remember Paul Mc's famous:

"Someone's knockin' at the door, someone's ringin' the bell... someone's knockin' at the door, someone's ringin' the bell... do 'us' and favor, open the door, and let 'us' in... oh yeah, let us in!"

That is EXACTLY what the FCC did with the final removal of the last demonstrated skills exam, the beginner's level Morse code test of 5-wpm. The door's been blown clean off it's hinges now. There's really no excuse why anyone cannot memorize and pass the overly simplified question pools. Let's just leave comprehension out of this equation -- that's just antiquated!

ANYBODY can pass today... But wait, some person(s) who feel discriminated against and downtrodden will find ways to obliterate our ever more simplified General and Extra written tests.

Mark my words...
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by N2OMU on December 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
If its sooooo easy to get the Extra ticket without the code, then why do we have so many General and Advanced License holders? I mean they have already passed their "Element 1" right? Or are you calling them stupid?
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing  
by W8JJI on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It's about damn time.

You whiners may begin crying about it now.

Whaaah Whaaah ! We should keep the code requirement and raise it to 375 wpm to keep the RIFF RAFF out! Who cares if it keeps our hobby in a death spiral!

No, we should keep the code requirement and raise it to 48,673,043,756,885,038,215,677,392,656,071,748,647 WPM to keep the RIFF RAFF out!

The sky is falling, The sky is falling !
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing  
by K1OU on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
It's a Clintonian/tree hugger conspiracy, I'm tellin' ya. And I'm sure that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy have something to do with it as well.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing  
by KG4PFO on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
There is a god !!!
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N2OMU said: "If its sooooo easy to get the Extra ticket without the code, then why do we have so many General and Advanced License holders? I mean they have already passed their "Element 1" right? Or are you calling them stupid?"


I'm not calling anybody anything -- don't put those words in my mouth.

Could it be possible some Generals and Advanced Class licensees are happy with their licenses? If so, why bother? Maybe they don't have the time or gumption to take and pass the Extra -- to each his own.

I am saying this:

- Each test's question and answer pool is KNOWN by everyone! Each question and answer pool is public knowledge and published -- with little to no explanation needed for comprehension.
- The written test question and answer pools have shrunk. They are memorized.
- The question pools' need for RF theory and electronics knowledge and comprehension has been reduced.
- Example: about a year ago, all the technical diagrams have been summarily removed from Tech and General tests (block diagrams, schematics, symbols, etc.)

Do I need to continue? Amateur radio testing is a JOKE today. The only test that required some due diligence, the Morse code test, has now been removed.

Now, is the time for the less-inclined public to take advantage of ham radio's severely reduced licensing requirements. All excuses for licensure have been removed.

 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Read W5AU's wonderful missive above folks. The "gimme" crowd has got its way...
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by K1OU on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
NL7W,

Nobody is forcing you to stay in the hobby. Want to sell me your equipment?
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry... Even though it is changing for the worse, ham radio isn't going away. My emphasis now resides at the bottom end of the HF bands, to include HF CW contesting and DX'ing, antenna design and building, EME, and other weak-signal work... the challenging and technical aspects of the hobby.



 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by K1OU on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Now that CW is gone as a requirement, perhaps the written should be revised. New question pools, more available questions in the pool, many more questions on the test, and a higher passing score. To top it off, no published answers.

I personally have no problem with a question pool of 2000, a 250 question written, and ninety percent and above constitutes a passing score.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by NL7W on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KD5BFE said:
"NL7W:

Now, you can claim that you have a better comprehension of the radio art because you didn't have a question pool to help you study for the exam. I say bollocks. There are so many questions in the pool that if you actually tried the rote memorization route you'd still have much more than a rudimentary comprehension of RF theory. I'm pretty sure that someone gave you the tools to pass the exam in your day, and I'm sure it was much more than just a copy of Ohm's and Kirchoff's laws painted on the wall of a cave.

Amateur radio is moving above and beyond anything Marconi ever imagined. The future of digital communications techniques needs to be explored beyond the joke of a 5 WPM morse test, and I'd rather see a test that focuses more on effective operating techniques versus highly technical electronics training."


NL7W:

My young friend, if you don't have the basics down, through comprehension of the basics, you have NO foundation from which to build upon. All you have is a house of cards...

Folks are MEMORIZING the Q&A pools... because they're shrunk and have excluded the technical intricacies of years past. Are you familiar with flash cards and some of the repeatable on-line tests you can take? Repeat, repeat, repeat, these flash cards, on-line tests, and Q&A books -- getting your brain to associcate a particular Q with its A -- all without comprehending basic RF electronics and the reasons why the regulations are written as such.

Get real...
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
K1OU said:
"Now that CW is gone as a requirement, perhaps the written should be revised. New question pools, more available questions in the pool, many more questions on the test, and a higher passing score. To top it off, no published answers.

I personally have no problem with a question pool of 2000, a 250 question written, and ninety percent and above constitutes a passing score."

NL7W says:

Yes, some semblance of this would be good.
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by RADIO123US on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
KQ6XA said "Morse is History "

This from someone who wrote the book on CB radio (literally)...

http://www.amazon.com/World-CB-Radio-Mark-Long/dp/0913990531/sr=1-1/qid=1166741723/ref=sr_1_1/102-0233814-2005775?ie=UTF8&s=books

I guess Bonnie will feel right at home when the newbies she supports trash the HF bands
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by N2OMU on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N2OMU said: "If its sooooo easy to get the Extra ticket without the code, then why do we have so many General and Advanced License holders? I mean they have already passed their "Element 1" right? Or are you calling them stupid?"

NL7W said:"I'm not calling anybody anything -- don't put those words in my mouth."

"Maybe they don't have the time or gumption to take and pass the Extra -- to each his own."

Well I say...Maybe some hams don't have the time or gumption to take and pass the Element 1 -- to each his own.
 
The Reported Demise of CW Comms is Premature  
by W7LV on December 21, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>>> The military and merchant marine services dropped the use of CW several years ago.


And yet the USCG, AGAIN, expects me to renew my 2nd Class Radiotelegraph License (FCC-issued) in order to renew my Radio Officer License (USCG-issued) to keep sailing.

Guess they didn't get the word, huh?

Actually, these is still a doo-doo load of CW maritime traffic on the HF bands. Just because there's no mandatory 500 kHz Safety Watch doesn't mean there's no CW.

Even with GMDSS there are a significant number of ships of non-western flags with no INMARSAT gear aboard. Lots of S and Central American flag fishing boats have a small, low-power 500 kHz CW rig that they use to handle traffic. It's almost always in Spanish and always to peanut-whistle Coast stations.

You knoow you're hearing it when you hear the "enyah" character (daddaddidahdah) in the address block.

And, 16 mHz maritme CW is a great place for CW practice...
 
RE: The Reported Demise of CW Comms is Premature  
by AD6WL on December 22, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
>>> The military and merchant marine services dropped the use of CW several years ago.<<<

That is why CW is still being taught to all the services at Fort Huachuca.
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K1CJS on December 22, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N6JSX wrote:
>>There are issues here that the FCC has never answered with previous degraging of HAM license requirements - that require clarification - now even more so.

Will HAM's with NO proven/tested ability to use Morse Code be allowed to use Morse Code to Part 97 ID their transmitters over the air? I say NO, as the FCC cannot hold them accountable for CW/Morse ID errors.

There are HAMs that have never been tested for CW/Morse proficiency - should they be allowed to use CW mode? I say NO, as the FCC cannot hold them accountable for CW/Morse ID errors.

How will the FCC note in the database who has been FCC CW tested to insure HAMs do not communicate with a CW bootlegger violating Part 97?<<

A short answer: To questions 1 and 2, YOU say no?? Are your initials FCC??
To question 3, how can there be a violation if there is no mandatory code test anymore? Everybody will ba allowed to use any mode, for that is all CW is, just a mode, one mode of many.
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 22, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N2OMU said: "Well I say...Maybe some hams don't have the time or gumption to take and pass the Element 1 -- to each his own."

NL7W says:

Just as I thought, it's all about gumption (how much effort one is willing to expend) - directly applicable to the time put forth.

The reduction in standards opens the gates to those with lesser quantities of the admirable qualities hams of the past possessed -- qualities like gumption, perseverance, and tenacity. The allowance of lesser quality folks will be directly related to to a larger quantity of new "hams" we'll see in the near future. Isn't this what what we've always wanted? Or, is this what the League and he ham radio industry wanted? I think the latter.

73.
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by N2OMU on December 22, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
NL7W said: There's really no excuse why anyone cannot memorize and pass the overly simplified question pools. Let's just leave comprehension out of this equation -- that's just antiquated! ANYBODY can pass today... But wait, some person(s) who feel discriminated against and downtrodden will find ways to obliterate our ever more simplified General and Extra written tests.

N2OMU said: "If its sooooo easy to get the Extra ticket without the code, then why do we have so many General and Advanced License holders? I mean they have already passed their "Element 1" right? Or are you calling them stupid?"

NL7W said:"I'm not calling anybody anything -- don't put those words in my mouth. Maybe they don't have the time or gumption to take and pass the Extra -- to each his own."

N2OMU said: Well I say...Maybe some hams don't have the time or gumption to take and pass the Element 1 -- to each his own.

Then NL7W said: Just as I thought, it's all about gumption (how much effort one is willing to expend) - directly applicable to the time put forth.

N2OMU says: You are contradicting yourself.
Read your first reply......OK now read your second reply.
Now lets all read the rest of your reply...

Then NL7W said: The reduction in standards opens the gates to those with lesser quantities of the admirable qualities hams of the past possessed -- qualities like gumption, perseverance, and tenacity. The allowance of lesser quality folks will be directly related to to a larger quantity of new "hams" we'll see in the near future.

N2OMU says: Clear this up for us....
Is it A: No time or gumption is OK -- to each his own.
OR is it B: Qualities like lack gumption equates to a lesser quality person.
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 22, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I'll clear it up for you... it's all about gumption. Some have it, and some don't. Either you do what's required and set aside the time, or you don't. Gumption is a quality EVERYBODY with common sense admires, and it took gumption to pass the 5, 13, and 20-wpm tests of yesteryear, much like the complete series of 5 or 6 exams many of us took also. I passed every amateur exam before I was 18-years old in the Eighties. I embraced the testing challenges without a whimper or a complaint -- they were my personal challenge, which happened to lead me to a successful career in telecommunications. Where are those who tackle today's challenges with gusto -- I want to hear about those!

Where's that tenacity today? It's been replaced with wimpy, feminine-like excuses -- people claiming Alzheimer's, dyslexia, tin-ear, "I'm handicapped", and other nefarious medical and mental excuses. The demonstrated skills exam is history. Now, I suspect, comes the destruction of the written tests in coming years -- for we all know they're all unfair.

It really boils down to this. I'm just sick and tired of 15-years of NCT's (or thereabouts) shouting their many excuses about why they couldn't pass, or for that matter attempt, the Morse code tests to access HF.

The excuses are gone! The gates are open, we now will the masses become HF operators with little skill, comprehension, or abilities. Welcome the common every-day folk with little personal investment. Welcome the new Citizens' Band.
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 22, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Let me rephrase:

The excuses are gone! The gates are open. Now we will let the masses become HF operators with little skill, comprehension, or abilities. Welcome the common, every-day folk with little personal investment. Welcome the new Citizens' Band.
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by N7UQA on December 22, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
NL7W said:

Let me rephrase:

The excuses are gone! The gates are open. Now we will let the masses become HF operators with little skill, comprehension, or abilities. Welcome the common, every-day folk with little personal investment. Welcome the new Citizens' Band.

Sorry you feel this way, but this is more or less the same thing that was said about the no-code technicians of the early 90's. I am a control operator of a very active repeater, and most of our users are no-code technicians. With the exception of an occasional slip up, they conduct themselves far better than most of the crotchety old bastards I hear on 75 meters every night. And these are the guys who took their exams at the FCC field offices.

Anyhow, this will be my last post to this thread, time to move on...

P.S. And I am one of those no-code technicians who went on to take the General, Advanced, Extra and the 5, 13 and 20 WPM code tests.

Craig - N7UQA
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 22, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
N7UQA:

You really weren't a NCT for very long were you? You had/have the gumption to progress -- to prove your mettle.

In reality, you haven't been a ham that long, and 75-meters was worse at one time. Today's ragchew band is rather tame and quaint as compared to the "heyday" of the 70's and 80's, I believe.

Do you remember 3895 and 3898 KHz and the great fun had there by many? Remember Gator Stakes held on the other side of the country?

Do you remember when you could call CQ on the Novice bands, when they were full of operators, and someone would actually answer you -- usually not a Novice? Do you remember the camaraderie?

I wish I could say hamming today is the same as years ago, but the quality folks with real technical know-how are missing -- either dead, half-dead, or have moved on. It seems as though ham radio, reflected by its entrance standards, has been relegated to the common mediocrity in many ways. It used to be something special, the higher-tiered licenses used to mean something. The exclusivity, the pride of have having a 13 or 20-wpm General, Advanced, and especially the Extra-Class license, used to really mean something -- an accomplishment -- something to be proud of -- something others were proud of. Not anymore... That's gone. Ham radio is forever changed – for the worse.
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K3MKB on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
The radio manufacturers' lobbists have won the day! Since the Internet has kicked the props out from under amateur radio, something had to be done. Capitulation on display in our watered down hobby!
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by N2OMU on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
W7LV:
Thanks for the debate...it was enjoyable,really. Happy holidays to you and everyone else on this board. Its time move on...(down the dial).
...The End
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by KB1SF on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steve (NL7W) wrote: “It really boils down to this. I'm just sick and tired of 15-years of NCT's (or thereabouts) shouting their many excuses about why they couldn't pass, or for that matter attempt, the Morse code tests to access HF.”
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And the rest of us are sick and tired of 15 years of watching snobs like you do your level best to make absolutely certain that newcomers to our Service are well aware that they will NEVER ever be welcomed as “real Hams” unless and until they’ve taken a stupid Morse test.

Fortunately, such bigots now make up an ever-shrinking minority in our Service. And all your bogus arguments for retaining Morse testing have now been officially repudiated and will soon be relegated to the dustbin of history.

In fact, as I have said previously, I firmly believe that the aging and eventual death the older generation of Hams will be an essential element in the progress of Amateur Radio. That's because death very effectively takes care of all the Luddites from a previous generation who are absolutely petrified to let go of old, fallacious ideas (like Morse code testing along with all the other bogus “lid filters” in our license and regulatory structure) that are no longer based in any operational need, let alone reality.

Morse testing has now gone the way of the dinosaur in the United States. And there are a few more “dinosaurs” that need to now both embrace that reality and start contributing something constructive to our Service under the new rules, or find another hobby to pursue.

That’s because the rest of us are now growing ever more weary of the incessant “sky is falling” rants from you and the rest of your (thankfully shrinking) crusty curmudgeon contingent.

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF

 
RE: New question to debate!!!  
by N6HPX on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Personally I think its too soon to find out about new hams yet but it seems like alot of the NCT are already mentioning upgrades to higher spots. They mentioned how the sales of books soared already but were those from the NCT or newcomers.

I felt the FCC should have kept the 5 wpm for the Extra class at least.

I too took the 5 wpm and also the 13 wpm years ago and was very proud when I did,despite I have only used it a few times, but I listen to it on not only the Ham bands but also some Utility bands as well. Its a gear mode and hope its not forgotten...

One time I do recall seeing hams in the past give this all up when the NCT came along..sometimes good news for some is really Sad news for others..and there is both on both sides
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Shane you can voice if your asking that after the FCC makes in effective in the Laws and only then...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Shane you can voice if your asking that after the FCC makes in effective in the Laws and only then...
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Shane and others:Rephrase once the law goes into effect officially then you can go on if voice is what your asking,if its some other mode you might want to check the regs.Its not official despite what others might tell you until its legally registered
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Personnally :For years many have heard others whine about the use of Code by no code groups and yet when others now complain about it being no longer a testing requirement there suddenly on the reversal.

I for one feel it should stay but only at the 5 wpm and for Extra class,despite the FCC decision.

No offense here but its like going in for an exam at a university where a person studies all weekend to become<say a Doctor> and he passes the test. Then the Dean comes along the following year where they say Ok no more Testing we just give you the Doctor's and you passed with out testing for it..How many walked away from being a doctor cause it was too Hard..it does make some people upset and they have there own reasons for it..
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by KD5ALU on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I am very disapointed that CW has been eliminated as a requirement for obtaining an amateur radio lisence.
I belive it should remain and that we should also show proficiency in PSK31, RTTY and Heilschriber. Perhapes even SSTV.

Seriously folks, we need to stop the moaning and/or cheering on this subject. Sometimes prophicies become self fulfilling. If you believe it is the end of amateur radio, you will make it so. Or you can become an ELMER and teach the NO CODERS you fear how to be a good operator.

Wasn't there the same debate about SLOW CODEDRS? Have the airwaves suffered as a result? And please if you have a comment about that, provide evidence not opinion.

 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by N6HPX on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I dont believe anyone feels its the end of Ham radio, or the end of Morse code, just an unfortunate end of Morse testing for some who not want to see it..happen
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by AE3O on December 23, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
WoW that was a fast decision.Funny thing , I have been inactive for the past five years or so but having bought new gear , I was ready to make a comeback on HF like chasing counties DXing and mostly Rag Chewing. I always had a funny habit every evening after a SSB contact, I always made a CW QSO to keep the fist in shape and yet share both modes . Having been a ham since 1970 I guess that I was taught "to always show respect to those that were there in the hobby before you" . I remember even in high school, the 2 or 3 hams that I knew I wondered over and over "How did they learn all the requirements?" Some five years later I took a paper and pencil and a 3 tube S119 and copied the dots and spaces on paper and looked them and yep, guess what ? They spelt out real words. After 2-3 weeks it was memory and after 2-3 months it was like playing a song - the faster the better, 20,25 30 and up. I guess that walk first-run later or old dog -new tricks is gone . I will be 60 years old in a couple months and I see that every aspect of society , the way that I learned it is gone. Anything that took pride, dedication or respect is over. Maybe the Marines shouldn't train hard, or why make a paratrooper jump from above? Does the Mayor tell the Fire Chief how to fight fires just because he has a higher position? Is easier really better? Is that dedication and pride also out done? I never thought years back when they spoke about a communicator class or hobby license that the meat would leave the potatoes on the plate. Now as I look back,I am very proud of the 5 wpm guys that studied and passed as well as all the Novices that I elmered thru the years. You took it upon yourselves to try - and succeed. Shouldn't you be rewarded? Someone mentioned that he feels that the FCC is ready to let the grip of Ham Radio go . I sure hope not. Yet maybe there needs to still be a separate CW endorsement or class, frequency or otherwise to segregate the modes, to treat the CW Operator with that dignity that he earned. This time though I am sure that 5 years from today with that constant roar on the phone bands, someone will still stop and say "Hmmm, I wonder what really went wrong back then?" I hope that this is not the case and I will treat the new Ham with that respect that he brings to the ranks.Is more better? How can all the good that Ham Radio stood for in a country as great as ours, be overlooked and realize that change may not be for the better.Who knows?
Seasons Greetings Merry Christmas
73 and here is to a positive( and enforced)Ham Radio future.
Packy, AE3O
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
A curmudgeon at age 40... so be it. I suppose that's better than my labeling you a liberal posts back -- somewhere.

Unfortunately, my extreme "INTJ" intuition plays out -- 9 times out of then, regarding the future of microcosms, such as amateur radio.

Despite our disagreements on how things should be, I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year!

73 from the Great White North, which I'm sure if much farther north you, where we have 20 inches of light fluffy snow, which continues to come down -- a white Christmas after all.

Steven
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by NL7W on December 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Editing... it's too bad you cannot go back here!

73 from the Great White North, of which I'm sure my northern latitude has yours by 10 to 20 degrees, where we have 20 inches of light fluffy snow, which continues to come down -- a white Christmas after all.

Just remember, this young 40-year old "Luddite" really isn't afraid of change, as I am engineering and implementing the first-in-the-Nation Phase II, Project 25, digital, land mobile radio system in the Country -- in the greater Seattle area. It's a TCP/IP system through and through -- from the operator's computer consoles, to the base stations, to subscribers' radios -- even the P25 common air interface is a digital modulation scheme, employing tried and true TDMA techniques under Phase II's implementation. Fortunately, I am able to commute between the Seattle and Anchorage areas -- bringing me back to reality here in our independent north country of Alaska. Keith, it's just that our views are polar in regards to change management, what constitutes meaningful testing standards, and subjective traditions.

All the best...
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by KB1SF on December 24, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Steven (NL7W) wrote: Despite our disagreements on how things should be, I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year!
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Actually, things are going to be what they are going to be. They are well out of your or my hands alone to change. The FCC has now spoken and it’s time we all moved on to make it work.

It will also be most interesting to meet here in 5 or 10 years or so and see how much of what each of us have predicted actually comes to pass. After all, nobody has a lock on knowing exactly what is to come. Right now, it’s all just speculation. The only thing any of us absolutely knows for sure is that mandatory Morse testing for an HF license in the Amateur Service in the United States will soon be history.

Here in New Hampshire, there is no snow, and temps are in the 40s. Looks like another “brown” Christmas.

And, speaking of Christmas, I, too, wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K1CJS on December 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
In the end, after all is said and done, the licensing testing and setup will remain the way it is going to be, element 2 for a tech license, elements 2 and 3 for a general and elements 2, 3 and 4 for an extra.

No amount of complaining, posturing, bellowing, license turn ins or anything else is going to matter. Morse code will live on, so will the amateur service.

So, for all the good it will do, keep this arguefest going and going and going. It will do no good, on either side. Finis.
 
RE: Open the door... and let'em in... oh yeah, oh  
by W9WHE-II on December 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
So...how long until NCI (No Code International) changes its name to NTI (No Testing International) and we start hearing about how ALL testing should be abolished?
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by KB9POM on December 28, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
been a ham since 92 had to pass the 13 wpm code was tuff dont think it was necesary for me to be a good operator but glad i passed it it was a great accomplishment for me although i do not use cw im glad we are no longer in the ww11 era though and the code is gone 73s
 
FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur License  
by K8DSW on December 29, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
So the FCC has dropped the CW requirement, it doesnt mean that CW is going away. There will be plenty of CW on the air.

I passed the 5wpm test 20 yrs when I got my novice ticket, and studied hard and long for months to try and upgrade to general, and couldnt get past 11wpm. Oh well, now I can upgrade to general or extra. Does this make me any less a HAM because I couldnt pass the higher CW test? NO!

So what if the new HAM's dont have to pass a CW test, just welcome them into the hobby, there is plenty to do other than CW, but that shouldnt stop those who want to learn it to give it a try.

73s

K8DSW
 
RE: FCC to Drop Morse Testing for All Amateur Lice  
by K3ROJ on January 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I have another posting when they first announced dropping the code and have to add some information. It is a well known fact that Learning Morse Code prevents a persons brain from becoming stale. One of the reasons the FCC dropped the testing requirement is because, let's face it, our school system is helping to dumb down America thanks to our Governemnt pushing people who are unable to learn as we do, into our society. Here are some facts as to how Morse Code helps people and why most Mensa members know the code, not even being hams: http://k3roj.home.comcast.net/~k3roj/morse_code.htm
 
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