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FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Line Noise Complaints:

from The ARRL Letter, Vol 26, No 02
Website: http://www.arrl.org/ on January 12, 2007
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FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Line Noise Complaints:

The FCC has asked utilities in Oklahoma and Illinois to try harder to resolve longstanding power line noise complaints from Amateur Radio licensees. Special Counsel in the FCC Spectrum Enforcement Division Riley Hollingsworth recently contacted Oklahoma Gas & Electric (OG&E) Company and Exelon Corporation (ComEd) in Chicago to follow up on the unrelated cases.

"In your response on behalf of Oklahoma Gas and Electric, dated January 30, 2006, you indicated that you were responding to [the radio amateur's] complaints," Hollingsworth wrote Oklahoma Gas and Electric's Senior Attorney Patrick D. Shore. "However, [the complainant] states that the power line hardware noise continues."

Hollingsworth customarily does not identify RFI complainants in public correspondence, but the Oklahoma radio amateur involved -- ARRL Member Hal Dietz, W5GHZ, of Bethany -- agreed to let the League make his name public. Dietz has sought the ARRL's assistance in resolving the problem. The League has been working with the FCC for several years to address power line noise complaints from Amateur Radio licensees.

Dietz says the power line noise he's experiencing on occasion has approached 20 dB over S9 on some bands, but it's typically between S5 to S9. "I experience line noise interference on frequencies as high as 444.100 MHz -- a local repeater that I monitor -- and on all TV channels through 14," he reports. "The interference is not present on all bands at all times, but it is present on one or more bands all of the time, except when it's raining."

An OG&E has representative visited Dietz but was unable to pin down the interference source. "I have also offered to go with them when they are trying to locate the interference, but they have declined my help," Dietz added.

On December 8, Hollingsworth wrote John W. Rowe, chairman and CEO of Exelon Corporation, the parent company of utility ComEd.

"We have reviewed your letter dated July 10, 2006, in which you state that you have not been able to locate the source of radio interference because the noise as reported by [the complainant] is intermittent. [The complainant] disputes that claim, however, stating that the noise is constant and that the only time that it is not present is during a heavy rain."

The Amateur Radio licensee experiencing the interference has told the ARRL that the noise from ComEd's equipment is nearly always present and 60 dB over S9 on 160 meters, wet weather excepted. Adding to the mix, the ham recounted last fall, is new noise from a neighbor's Part 15 electronic device. ARRL Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineer Mike Gruber, W1MG, says the complainant for several months has been reporting persistent noise from 160 to 6 meters from ComEd's system and can even hear it on his car's broadcast radio.

Hollingsworth advised both utilities to review the radio amateurs' complaints and advise his office regarding steps being taken to locate and remediate the RFI.

Source:

The ARRL Letter Vol. 26, No. 02 January 12, 2007

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FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Line No  
by K5PHW on January 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Geez. I know Hal. I hope they solve the problem so we don't have to listen to him vent.
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by W8JJI on January 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The same thing is happening to me here. The noise goes away on rainy days and I have been pleading with the electric co to do something for 6 or 7 months now but with no results.
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by KF7CG on January 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
These are just the current crop of powerline interference woes and utility ineptitude and sometimes out right arrogance.

About a year back Riley had to send a letter to a utility that though they found the problem and knew what it would take to fix it, wanted the Ham to pay the costs!

This is one of those never ending battles. By the same token most of the utilities I have dealt with have been electric coops and more than willing to solve the interference problems. I guess that management does make a difference.

KF7CG
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by W9WHE-II on January 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
And arrl is doing what for these two hams?
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by K4JF on January 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"......most of the utilities I have dealt with have been electric coops and more than willing to solve the interference problems. I guess that management does make a difference."

So why would a government facility be more willing to help than a people-owned utility?

Just curious.
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by K4JF on January 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting that accidental interference from malfunctioning equipment is cause for concern, but deliberate interference is OK.
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by K4JF on January 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"And arrl is doing what for these two hams? "

The answer is in the article above. Suggest you read it again.
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by KF7CG on January 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Electric Coops are not government owned. They get certain taxing and financing breaks to get started initially but are owned and governed by the utility users theys support.

Consumer owned businesses tend to be a little more responsive and also tend to have more understanding customers. Just human nature, to take care of what is yours and to treat the owners a little better.

KF7CG
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by K4JF on January 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Electric Coops are not government owned. "

Not quite correct. They are governmental corporations in the same way as the Postal Service. Customers own them? Only in the same context that WE own the Post Office, or the FCC.
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by K4JF on January 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Consumer owned businesses tend to be a little more responsive and also tend to have more understanding customers. Just human nature, to take care of what is yours and to treat the owners a little better."

Correct. Which is why I would expect Duke Energy, for example, to be more responsive than the co-ops. And that has been exactly my experience.
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by KF7CG on January 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
""Electric Coops are not government owned. "

Not quite correct. They are governmental corporations in the same way as the Postal Service. Customers own them? Only in the same context that WE own the Post Office, or the FCC. "

I don't believe that you know the co-ops as wells as you think.

Did you have to become a member of the Postal Service or the FCC?

Did you get a personal invitation to attend a "stockholders" meeting for either of the two?

Have you gotten dividends (credits on your bill) from either of those two when consumer actions resulted in cost savings?

Municipal, state, and power district utilities are similar to the Postal Service and the FCC.

Pioneer Electric (Ohio) was significantly less expensive and more responsive that Dayton Power and Light (Ohio).

Cumberland Electric Co-op (Tennessee) is excellent.

I have been on Duke power and they weren't bad but were not nearly as responsive. I can't make direct comparisons because there weren't and co-ops nearby.

Touchstone Energy is the national cooperative of Eletric Cooperatives.

I am sure that you were thinking of entities like TVA or Bonneville Power Authority.
 
RE: FCC Presses Two Utilities to Resolve Power Lin  
by K4JF on January 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I don't believe that you know the co-ops as wells as you think.
Did you have to become a member of the Postal Service or the FCC?"

No, and didn't become a "member" of the power co-ops I've bought from. Nor from telephone "co-ops" I've used either.

"Did you get a personal invitation to attend a "stockholders" meeting for either of the two?"

Nope. Same for co-ops. But I have gotten invitations to Duke Energy's stockholders meetings. They actually have stockholders.

"Have you gotten dividends (credits on your bill) from either of those two when consumer actions resulted in cost savings?"

Nope, don't get bills from either. But co-ops have never given credits on my bills. But I have received credits from Duke for "comsumer actions".

Duke, being a publicly owned company, is arguably the most efficient energy supplier I know, and I've lived in many places. I'm currently enjoying some of the lowest electricity prices in the country, substantially below what I have paid to co-ops. With better service.
 
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