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Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'

Ken (KG6UZB) on February 20, 2007
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I think we can all agree that one of the great joys of hamming is making your first HF contact. Almost as good is the experience of being the station that serves as the first contact for somebody else. With the new licensing rules a’ coming we now have a unique opportunity to experience many first HF contacts in a relatively short period of time. I propose the following contest

Worked the Most “First HF Contacts” Contest

Object:

Old timer stations try to be one of the first ten stations that a Ham with new HF privileges contacts. New HF stations work as many old timers as they can during the contest period.

Points:

Old Timers: Be the first HF contact for a new station and get 10 points cw/ 10 points digital / 5 points phone. A new station can only have three first HF contacts, one on phone, one on cw and one by a digital (non-cw) mode. If you are the second or third or fourth……… etc up to tenth station contacting the new station count 2 points cw/digital or 1 point phone (by keeping up the value of a new station for their first 10 contacts, new stations may experience pileups of old timers – should be interesting). You can only work a new station once per band.

New to HF: Same as above (that is, you can work new stations too) and work as many old timers as you can for 5 points cw/digital or 2 points phone. New stations can only work the old timer station once per band.

Multipliers:

Forget multipliers, they’re too complicated

Exchange:

New stations: Name, contact number, station equipment.

Old Timers: Name, signal report, a hearty welcome to the HF bands and copious good advice.

Contest period:

From: whenever the new rules take effect
To: 6 months later.

Participate by calling CQ newbee (CQN, cw) or CQ old timer (CQOT, cw)

Report your scores and stories by replying to this thread.

73

Ken

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Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by ONAIR on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Could be fun! But contest or not, PLEASE encourage all old timers to come on to 10 meter sideband starting 12 midnight on Feb. 23rd! Loads of Techs who do not know the code will have their first HF experience, and their opportunity ever to speak on 10 meter SSB starting this Friday. Since 10 meters is relatively quiet now for long distance, it will give thwm the opportunity to get to know all their locals and exchange information. I'm sure loads of questions will be asked, and hopefully many elmers will be on 10 to give info., advice, and a hearty welcome to the all of the newcomers to HF!
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KX8N on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I'm sure loads of questions will be asked, and hopefully many elmers will be on 10 to give info., advice, and a hearty welcome to the all of the newcomers to HF! "

Good thoughts, but unfortunately so many OTs are so bitter over the elimination of Element 1 that they wouldn't give a tech the time of day, let alone help them out.

I'll be listening on 10. Keep in mind, though, that since techs haven't been allowed on HF unless they've passed Element 1, most techs don't own HF equipment. So until these techs start buying more equipment, we aren't going to see a big rush of new 10 meter operators. And unless they opt for one of those 10 meter Radio Shack mobiles and antenna, then they're going to have to dish out several hundred dollars for an HF rig. To be honest, with the solar cycle where it is, spending that kind of money to get on 10 meters simply isn't worth it.

But, it would be nice to hear some techs on there. It's going to make a lot of people cringe hearing it called a contest, though.
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by W4BQF on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
ONAIR and KX8N are certainly NOT doing their part to get us OT's to participate. ONAIR simply because 'it' doesn't care enough about this hobby to state it's call sign. And KX8N seriously has no clue what us OT's think about Element 1.

I personally think dropping the code requirement is a good thing. NOW, if your on the CW mode, it is because you want to be, and no longer because your required to do it. So now all of the excuses for not using CW are moot. It's up to you whether or not you want to put forth the effort to just enjoy another part of the hobby.

I've been doing CW for some 55 years and doing it strictly because I find it to be a great diversion from the norm, plus I made it a lot of fun for me. After all, I'm in this hobby for the fun part of it and NOT to listen to childish non-informed complaints about the way I choose to operate.

Will 'First HF Contacts' be a winner? In the fun manner in which it was proposed, yes. By intimidating tactics being used, NO. It's gonna require some of you 'know everythings' to get off your butt and do something other than typing on a computer keyboard.

Tom - W4BQF

 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KB3LSR on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'd be up for this! I've been a General since November, but I've been so busy with school I seem to only have time to operate when the bands are bad (my antenna setup is only good to about 40M). Let's give them a good welcome. Also, I've been trying to operate CW a little bit, but no one answers my CQ. I know my code isn't perfect, but I'm trying. Maybe we could set up an unofficial CW branch of the contest too?

73 de KB3LSR
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by K2GW on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Sounds good.

Our club is running a special VE session on Saturday at noon. We're following it with a quick "How to Operate HF" class at the club shack at 2PM and then on the air sessions for the upgraded hams.

I would encourage all other clubs to do the same to help our fellow hams become good HF operators and welcome on the bands.

So does a ham who's an Elmer to a newly upgraded ham get points for coaching them through their first HF contact? ;-)

73

Gary, K2GW
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KX8N on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"And KX8N seriously has no clue what us OT's think about Element 1."

Oh, I have a very serious clue. All you have to do is read ANY thread since the dropping of Element 1 was announced, and you can see what OT's think about it. For that matter, you can read any code/no code thread since the restructuring in 2000 to see what OT's think of it. I know what I read on here, I know what I hear on the air, and I know what I hear at club meetings. I clearly remember the times I have been called a General Lite, or an Extra Lite, or even a CB Extra, and you know what? The comments came from OT's. I've seen local hams actually get ANGRY because I wanted to upgrade from Tech. Then come the lectures about how they had to sit in front of the FCC, walk for days to get to the test session, etc, etc, while I was taking the easy way out simply because I didn't stumble across amateur radio until 1999.

So yeah, I'm quite clear about how the majority of them feel about the removal of Element 1. Perhaps you are an exception to that rule, and if that's the case, then good for you. I hope your fellow OT's follow your example. However, I'm one of those who knows how much bitterness has been spewed towards those who have become licensed since 2000, because I've been one of the targets. No, not everyone has acted like that, by any means. But there sure has been no shortage of hate, biggotry, and jealousy. Ever heard the term "real ham"? That term was NOT coined by someone licensed in or after the year 2000, I can guarantee that. Depending on where you live, CW may not be a requirement anymore, but a tough, thick skin sure is.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by N3OX on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'm going to build a 10m antenna before Friday... let's have a big 10m party... see if we can blast the band open with sheer numbers...

That would be easier if we could figure out how to phase lock fifty-thousand inexpensive 10m radios and form a HAARP-style beam to cook up our own ionization, but hey, I bet just getting on and trying to make some contacts will be fun too.

Nice thoughts in this article...

Dan
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by N3OX on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'm going to build a 10m antenna before Friday... let's have a big 10m party... see if we can blast the band open with sheer numbers...

That would be easier if we could figure out how to phase lock fifty-thousand inexpensive 10m radios and form a HAARP-style beam to cook up our own ionization, but hey, I bet just getting on and trying to make some contacts will be fun too.

Nice thoughts in this article...

Dan
 
Good idea  
by VE3YAZ on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I like this idea. Lets face it, a lot of newbies don't have Elmers or other mentors to learn proper procedure from.

This "contest" would provide the forum for OT's to mentor newbies on the air, supposedly doing what we all love to do. It'd be challenging on all fronts: OT's to be patient, Newb's to learn.

Sounds like a winner to me.
 
RE: Good idea  
by KG6WLS on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'm actually looking forward to hearing and working them on 10M. If you're just going to listen, then you're not helping mentor them along. Yes, there will be a few Bo and Luke Dukes out there (kind of what you hear on 75M already), but at least cut the newbies a little bit of slack. Spewing all the code/no-code venom that has been posted here (or maybe on the air) for the past few months/years is not going to make things any better.

As one poster said on another article:

"You and everyone that has passed the FCC exams and have callsigns are HAMS and entitled to every courtesy and respect, regardless of licensing date! Welcome."

I sure hope that's the case but, we shall see.

73
Mike

 
RE: Good idea  
by K4JF on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"So yeah, I'm quite clear about how the majority of them feel about the removal of Element 1. "

No, it is definitely NOT a majority. Take your bigotry somewhere else. A few OTs have been quite vocal. Just a few. While a heckuvva lot of newtimers have unabashedly painted anyone who has been licensed more than a week as some kind of idiot.

THIS OT, who filed comments with the FCC to eliminate code testing from General, is getting d**n tired of hearing it.

This OT, who has repeatedly stated that "if you have a license from the proper authority in your country you're a real ham", and "there is no such thing as General lite, or Extra lite - Lite is a beer, nothing else", has NEVER had a rebuttal from another OT for saying it. Never; not one.

Just get off your high horse, come on down here in the shacks with the rest of us, and have fun! Sheesh!
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KD5VHF on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I just want to say THANK YOU to everyone in advance for tolerating my first time HF mistakes and offering advice. With your help and advice I hope to become a good operator quickly. I will be on 10M just after midnight Feb 23rd. I will be taking element 3 & 4 at 9AM on the 24th and shortly after (as soon as I can get to my station) I will be working all bands with a CSCE & /AG or if I get lucky a /AE. You can see a pic of my little station in my profile here. I look forward to adding you to my log.73 , Mike
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by N3VMD on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"And KX8N seriously has no clue what us OT's think about Element 1."

I personally have seen and heard reactions in both directions when it comes to this issue. A few nights ago I tried for a half hour to join some "gentlemen" in a multi state open roundtable ragchew and not a one of the "OT's" would answer me. I suspected they could hear me fine so when the conversation lead to mocking the new Generals and those with the "lowly" G5RV antenna's and then a comment to the effect of "I really doubt dropping the code will benefit the hobby", I commented that if it didn't it may possibly be because of attitude problems like theirs...Low and behold they heard THAT transmission first time!
On the other hand, the vast majority of "OT's" out there have welcomed this new General with open arms. Unfortunately, there are those out there that may be more easily put off by those types of negative experiences than I am and may not return, we can't afford that.
I sit and listen for hours sometimes on 80 and 160 and honestly, there are far to many (in my opinion) that act like they were born with an Extra ticket in their diaper, a KW and unlimited real estate to put up huge antenna's. Some of us had to start at the bottom and are working our way up. I suspect they did too, maybe they should remember they were the newbie once and lighten up a bit.
To those that make my HF experience worth while, I salute you and thanks!

Todd
N3VMD
5wpm General (and proud of it)
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KB9TMP on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I work until midnight M-F so the newbies will get access (eastern time zone) during my drive time home. I will be mobile on 28.4 MHz (10m calling) for anyone who wants to try to make contact.

NO CODE TECHNICIANS WELCOME!

73 de KB9TMP
http://www.geocities.com/kb9ohy/
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by K2GW on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
For those Elmers who are mentoring newly upgraded hams, the ARRL has an 8 page handout in PDF format on HF operating that you can download and give out. It will be a supplement in the March issue of QST as well.

You can get it at

http://www.arrl.org/HFWelcome/

73

Gary, K2GW
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by N0AH on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
599 TU 73 bk

rr tu



That about sums it up-
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by W5GA on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I would add to this that no on air arguments about incorrect or ill advised advice are allowed! Wait till after the QSO, make your own contact with the newbie and put your 2 cents in then.
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by WA8VBX on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I will be on, not necessarily to make a lot of contacts, but to welcome them to HF, and maybe steer them to upgrade.

I will be looking for some out of the box(safety zone) and not the hello-goodbye contacts.

73
Kurt
K8YZK
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by VE3XDB on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
One might question KX8N assertion that he has a "serious clue" about what other hams might think, based on what he has read in eHam.net threads.

Statistical analysis and survey methodology are well developed and understood sciences. Sample design is often the most difficult and puzzling part of developing any survey. Using a non-random sample of hams and non-hams who choose to post to the internet as a means of expressing an opinion, either serious or otherwise, and using that sample to draw conclusions about a a much larger, and likely dissimilar group, is almost certain to deliver a perspective that is at best, flawed, and at worst, totally invalid.

I like the idea of encouraging the use of HF contacts. I generally have about 50 QSO's a month, 95% CW. I have never made a judgement about the person on the basis of their license class, that it simply not relevent. And from a practical perspective, all the prattle found on this and other sites is of no consequence on the air, which is what really matters.

So let's get on the air. 30 and 40 metre CW has been quiet in the evenings. Yes, I know conditions are poor, but contacts are possible. So, turn off your computer, and get on 10.115, and I'll be there - but not tonight, I'm going to go watch the Leafs beat the Bruins!

Best regards,

Doug VE3XDB
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by N1TYH on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Sounds like a really cool contest. I hope the word gets out.

As a Tech who's only made it half way through learning the code, I'm looking forward to taking the upgrade test on Feb 24th. I'm going to continue studying code since it's fun (plus more points in contests <smile>). Yes, there are a bunch of us that still want to learn code.

Special thanks to those of you out there that are supportive of the Tech's upgrading. It's greatly appreciate, as we can use all the Elmering that you're willing to provide.

73,
Steve (N1TYH)
Shrewsbury, MA
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KX8N on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Take your bigotry somewhere else."

Before calling me a biggot on a highhorse, let me ask you if you know what many newcomers to amateur radio REALLY go through.

Most new hams are told they aren't valid hams because of the licensing requirements that the FCC held at the time of their licensing or upgrading.

Most new hams are called cute little names. We already know what those are. And these names aren't based on operating ability, they are simply based on licensing requirements.

Most new hams are totally ignored when they try to get on repeaters in their area. Or, if they are acknowledged, the other operator starts in with the "lite", CB, or other chastising.

Did you have an elmer? The majority of new hams do not. The majority are almost entirely self taught.

Were you welcome to the last club you joined? A lot of new hams are just left sitting in the corner.

Were you ever accused of lobbying the FCC to change regulations because in someone else's opinion you supposedly didn't want to learn something?

Have you ever stood at a hamfest or other gathering and have hams stand right in front of you, discussing how new hams "don't really deserve to be hams", as if you weren't standing righ there listening to them?

You have no idea what new hams today go through. Greeting them on the air is nice gesture, but new hams need someone in their life giving them the guidance of an elmer, making them feel welcome in their local amateur radio community, and the name calling and accusations need to stop. Wanna make a new ham welcome? Invite them into your shack and demonstrate the correct way to operate, instead of letting them get on the air and suffer trial by fire. That's what your elmer did for you, didn't he? Invite a new ham to a club meeting or breakfast, and introduce them as your guest. Help a new ham fine tune his station. TELL a new ham that the world isn't going to come to an end just because he did or did not have to pass a certain CW element.

Give a new ham the help and guidance that your elmers cared enough to give you. THAT is the biggest thing you can do for a new ham. Giving them a new contact is a great idea. But your part in helping the next generation of hams does not end when you've logged the contact and shut the radio off.

Want new hams to get interested in CW now that the requirement is gone? Invite one into your shack, let them watch YOU operate CW. Show them your QSL cards, and point out log entries that mean a lot to you. Tell them why CW excites you. Offer to help get them started. Again, be an elmer, because the art of amateur radio is far from dead, but the art of elmering is breathing it's last breath...
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by WB2WIK on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
>Have you ever stood at a hamfest or other gathering and have hams stand right in front of you, discussing how new hams "don't really deserve to be hams", as if you weren't standing righ there listening to them?<

::No, I haven't. Maybe it's a local thing.

There are some new hams who have come to the hobby via a less than desirable route and who have some very strange ideas about radio communications technology. As a "seller" at the local ham radio swap meet, I'm glad to help them out.

Like when they insist their antennas must be "co phased" using nine foot long sections of coax. I've made dozens of lengths like this using Teflon cable and high quality connectors, guaranteeing they'll take at least 5 kW PEP without damage or degradation, and charged appropriately for the work.

It's great to have new hams like that joining us, as long as they have money. I wish they'd drop the drawl, though, it's hard to understand them sometimes.

:)

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KA4KOE on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"sit and listen for hours sometimes on 80 and 160 and honestly, there are far to many (in my opinion) that act like they were born with an Extra ticket in their diaper, a KW and unlimited real estate to put up huge antenna's. Some of us had to start at the bottom and are working our way up. I suspect they did too, maybe they should remember they were the newbie once and lighten up a bit.
To those that make my HF experience worth while, I salute you and thanks!

Todd
N3VMD
5wpm General (and proud of it)"

One of my best friends is a 5 WPM General. I'll talk to you anytime you wish on 160m, propogation permitting. I won't go on 80m, that's one large wasteland of SSB that just recently got even larger.

Philip
ka4koe@arrl.net
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KX8N on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
>Have you ever stood at a hamfest or other gathering and have hams stand right in front of you, discussing how new hams "don't really deserve to be hams", as if you weren't standing righ there listening to them?<

::No, I haven't. Maybe it's a local thing.

------------

It happens at a lot of hamfests. The only ones likely to notice, though, are either those who are the target of these discussions, or those having the discussions themselves. That was my point - some people saying that new hams don't have it too bad haven't had to endure the comments, accusations, and belittling that some of us have experienced. Just because the kid waiting for the bus in front of the school doesn't see the kid in the alley being bullied, doesn't meant that bullying isn't happening.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by W5TD on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Before calling me a biggot on a highhorse, let me ask you if you know what many newcomers to amateur radio REALLY go through.

Most new hams are told they aren't valid hams because of the licensing requirements that the FCC held at the time of their licensing or upgrading."

No, I am not a new ham, but I have been told that I am not a real ham because I do not run 50 watts on 2 meter FM to a 5/8 wave mobile antenna. I have also been made to feel like I am less of a ham because I don't run APRS or use Anderson Power Poles.

And I have been accused of wanting to kill ham radio because I thought that the FCC should maintain the CW requirement. And KX8N has called me plenty of names by association because I have been licensed awhile. I have also been called elitist, bigoted,etc.

Maybe you should treat the older hams with respect if you want to receive respect yourself. And did you go search out an elmer, or just expect one to be provided to you?

73s John W5TD

 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KE7IPY on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I've done more than my fair share of trolling whiners on these boards, but I don't think for a second that the fish I troll represent the majority. My experience with Clubs and hanging out at Ham Radio Outlet leads me to believe that the people who complain either on air or on the internet are a vocal minority pissing sour grapes. They'll either get over it or leave the hobby. Either way they won't interfere with my enjoyment one bit.

I've heard nothing but positive about the code requirement going away, in real life (i.e. not the internet). Some of the old timers are a little sad about the changing of the era, but they understand why things are changing and embrace the new users regardless of their sentimentality. There's no doubt in my mind that good things will occur on the 23rd.
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by AB7JK on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Why did so many ops have to run so much power during the ARRL DX Contest? I hope they eecked out out every bit of power they could out of their kilowatts and beams. I hope they are proud of that little pin and the pat on the back the ARRL will send them for $9 and all that work, effort, and investment.

I worked 20+ prefixes running 900 mw on 15 meters and watched a few good movies between calls. Everyone gave me a 5NN. AB7JK
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by W5TD on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Before calling me a biggot on a highhorse, let me ask you if you know what many newcomers to amateur radio REALLY go through.

Most new hams are told they aren't valid hams because of the licensing requirements that the FCC held at the time of their licensing or upgrading."

I WAS LICENSED IN 1980, AND EVEN BACK THEN WE HEARD ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE IN THE PAST-HOW THERE WERE NO MULTIPLE CHOICE EXAMS AND HOW PEOPLE HAD TO DRAW DIAGRAMS AND SCHEMATICS. THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

Most new hams are called cute little names. We already know what those are. And these names aren't based on operating ability, they are simply based on licensing requirements.

SAME COMMENT AS ABOVE. MAYBE NEW HAMS SHOULD LEARN TO TAKE THINGS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT OR BECOME LESS THIN SKINNED. IF WE QUITE SOMETHING EVERYTHING SOMEONE MAKES A COMMENT ABOUT US, NOBODY WOULD ACCOMPLISHMENT ANYTHING.

Most new hams are totally ignored when they try to get on repeaters in their area. Or, if they are acknowledged, the other operator starts in with the "lite", CB, or other chastising.

NEVER HEARD THIS ON MY LOCAL REPEATER. I HAVE BEEN RUN OFF THE LOCAL REPEATER BY THE LOCAL WX NAZIS WHEN THERE WAS NO BAD WEATHER IN THE AREA, THOUGH.


Did you have an elmer? The majority of new hams do not. The majority are almost entirely self taught.

AND WHOSE FAULT IS THIS? DID THEY ASK FOR HELP? DID THEY TRY TO FIND AN ELMER? OR DID THEY ADOPT THIS "I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU ATTITUDE" THAT I HAVE ENCOUNTERED WITH MANY NEW HAMS IN MY AREA?

Were you welcome to the last club you joined? A lot of new hams are just left sitting in the corner.

DID THEY INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, OR MAKE ANY EFFORT TO FIT IN TO THE CLUB? NO ONE IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL NEED TO DROP WHAT WE ARE DOING AND STAND OF AWE OF THERE PRESENCE THERE? I AM LEFT OUT OF MOST DISCUSSIONS AT MY LOCAL CLUB BECAUSE I DON'T DO APRS, CHASE STORMS (DO THE DARWIN AWARDS COME TO MIND) OR PARTICIPATE IN THE LOCAL ENCOMM GROUP.

Were you ever accused of lobbying the FCC to change regulations because in someone else's opinion you supposedly didn't want to learn something?

MANY PEOPLE DID LOBBY THE FCC TO REMOVE THE CODE TEST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LEARN THE CODE. IF THAT IS TRUE OF AN INDIVIDUAL, WHAT IS WRONG WITH POINTING THAT OUT. IF YOU DIDN'T LOBBY THE FCC, THEN JUST BASK IN THE SATISFACTION THAT THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL IS WRONG.


Have you ever stood at a hamfest or other gathering and have hams stand right in front of you, discussing how new hams "don't really deserve to be hams", as if you weren't standing righ there listening to them?

AGAIN, MOST NOVICES IN THE OLDER DAYS HEARD SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS, AND WE REALIZED THAT WE WEREN'T AS KNOWLEDGABLE, EXPERIENCED, AND SUCH. INSTEAD OF RUNNING DOWN THE MORE EXPERIENCED HAMS, WE TRIED TO LEARN FROM THEM. WE ALSO VIEWED THE EXTRA AS THE ABSOLUTE PINNICLE IN AMATEUR RADIO, THAT WAS EARNED WITH MUCH WORK, EXPERIENCE, AND KNOWLEDGE, NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ALL JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT IT.

Your experience is nothing new, and if potential hams are so sensitive that they are run off by a few comments, good riddance to them.

73s John W5TD
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by K4CC on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
A hardy welcome to HF and the expanded privileges to all the newer and older "Technician" class license holders who upgrade to General.

In theory, it should be a matter of months before there will be no more Technicians as all should upgrade to Generals but we will see! HIHI!

Again! Welcome and have fun!!!!!

Cary
K4CC

 
No titles of nobility. No knighthood. Just QSO.  
by AI2IA on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
This is all nonsense. I don't care if it's your first contact or your last one. If your license class says you can be on the band where you are, I am not going to ask you if this is your first QSO there. I am not going to tell you how to speak, either. If you don't give me a signal report, I will probably ask you for one. All you need is the proper license and a rig and antenna. All the rest is pompous lunacy. If you have the license, then you know the rules and regulations. I am an Amateur Extra Class. I don't look down my nose at any operator. I don't care how many years you were a ham, or how much power you can run. To all who are licensed and follow the rules I say welcome and QSO in your own style within reason and good manners.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KF4OMY on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
FIRST, The contest is a good idea. We need more people/ideas like this with positive outlooks.

SECOND, you people just need to stop. Every article that gets posted here has at least 100 replies about who's better than who bla bla bla. HF sure would be fun if I didn't have to talk to you people on it. Maybe I can just stick with VHF repeaters the rest of my life....

Get real guys! Who in their right mind would want to talk with half of you on the air when all you do is publicly degrade other people through these postings because you got your Ham license 2 hours before they did.

I've had my license for over ten years now and this crap just seems to get worse and worse.
I'm glad most of you post w/ your callsigns because now I will know who to avoid while I'm enjoying the hobby on the air.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by N3VMD on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Your experience is nothing new, and if potential hams are so sensitive that they are run off by a few comments, good riddance to them."


Call me way off base but......isn't this exactly the attitude the "newbie's" (and others) are referring to?
Not necassary, not wanted but thankfully the minority!

"Can't we all just get along?" :)

Todd
N3VMD
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by WB2WIK on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Guys, the "new ham" (like the "new kid on the block") thing has been going on forever -- this has nothing to do with code/no-code or "dumbing down" of the exam requirements, both of which are beyond the control of any new licensee.

When I first got on the air almost 42 years ago, I was a 13 year-old "newbie," and was treated like one. So what? It's like being the new kid in school; you don't deserve the respect of the existing student body, you earn it.

And if you want to get picked in the first few picks for the ball team, better prove you can play ball before the picking starts.

WB2WIK/6
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by ONAIR on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
This is great. We finally have an opportunity to thrash this whole thing out between the old timers and the newbies! I propose that we get every HAM on the planet to come on to 10 meters starting Feb 23rd and duke this out. For the old CBers among us, we can have antenna raiding parties and call all these clowns out of their shacks to fight like real men! Just like the US, Amateur Radio needs a Civil War to finally bring us all together in unity. Many of us may be lost in the fight, but in the end a better HAM community will emerge where we can all love each other and work together! Fire those linears up! And for the newbies, those old CB linears should work just fine on 10 meters! :)
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KI6LO on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Great idea. I'll definitely be on somewhere, probably 40M, 20M and even listening up on 10M - around 28.4 to 28.5.

As for those with sage advice, remember EVERYONE starts at a low level and works up. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. It's called learning and if your not learning something new occasionally, you're missing out. For those of us who have been at this game for awhile (myself since 1976), now is the chance to help those who are just starting out to learn proper operating customs and procedures.

I remember my first CW QSO as a Novice 30 years ago. I was so nervous I totally forgot what little code I could muster. Had my elmer not been there next to me coaching, I would have probably not even copied the other station. As it turned out, I made the contact, logged it and got a QSL card a while later. That one is framed on the shack wall. Hopefully many newly minted HF hams will have a similar experience that they can recall 30 years from Friday.

My pappy always said "If you ain't got nothing helpful to tell someone, then save your breath."

My hardy welcome to all new US HF hams. Glad to see you made it and I'll be happy to send you that first QSL card. In fact I may even have to make up some special cards for those 'special QSOs'.

Gene KI6LO
President - Sierra ARC
Ridgecrest, CA

 
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by KC9HGJ on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
When I start using HF and encounter negative, rude, better than you, know it all, you can’t do it, you don’t deserve it attitudes. I will immediately reply that their signal is strong but there is no audio. When one of their like minded know it all operators replies that they can hear them, it must be my equipment, I will simply explain. “ Oh, I forgot to switch off my idiot filter.”

Then I will probably laugh……..alot.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KC9HGJ on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
And then……….when you start telling me about how I don’t deserve to be on “their frequencies”. I will reply……….Well, I served 8 years in the Marine Corps Infantry…….. and if you didn’t serve you don’t deserve to be in my country………get out.

Now isn’t that silly.

I am laughing again.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KC9HGJ on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Because it's funny..........thats why.
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by W1YW on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Being on 10M sideband at midnight at sunspot min will be a useless gesture.

No propagation.

Sure, I'll get on next weekend and say hello, but you won't find any 6's in my log.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by K4JF on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"the people who complain either on air or on the internet are a vocal minority pissing sour grapes"

AMEN!! I was treated as a newcomer when I got on, too - back in 1975. I was told "Hello, glad to be your first contact!" and "You have a bit of a chirp; here's how to fix it" And AT NO TIME did I say "who the bleep are you to tell me something?"

Gad, how times have changed!!
 
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by W8LGZ on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KX8N wrote:
Before calling me a biggot on a highhorse, let me ask you if you know what many newcomers to amateur radio REALLY go through.
*********

Let me ask you, do you know WHY "many newcomers" get treated the way they do? Is it partially because of their license status? Possibly. Is it based on operating ability? I think this is a little closer to the reason.

I'll explain. I hear/have heard way too many "newcomers" on the air talking as though they are straight off CB and have been licensed four several months or a couple of years. When an "old timer" attempts to point out areas in their operating they need to work on (correct), a good number of the "newcomers" (notice I didn't say ALL) are unwilling to take the corrective advise or merely state something to the effect of, "I've been around radio for many years now, I think I know what I'm doing." Or, just scoff at the advice and keep on doing what they are doing they same way. In other words, they do want or care about being elmered. You can't teach those who are unwilling to learn!! Is it right that ALL newcomers are being lumped into this group? No. But, the ones who WANT to learn need to show their willingness a lot more frequently than the ones who could care less about learning. I believe that will help to turn the tide of "bad attitude" toward newcomers. Just my thought.

As for this "old timer", did I want the CW requirement abolished? NO. But, what's done is done. I'm going to try to make the best of it. Those who "want" to learn, I'll be more than happy to teach (as best I can); those who don't want to learn, easy...I won't bother trying and they will continue to be treated the way you have cited.

Welcome & 73,
Jim - W8LGZ
 
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by KG4OLW on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
As a nw general who just pased element 3 and element 1 I can offer one piece of advice to all the newcomer on hf. Never ever, under any circumstances use the term "full quieting" when describing any signal on hf hi! hi!

73's

KG4OLW/AG
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by N7YA on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Look at us...its not just ham radio, americans are just plain angry with eachother these days and nobody wants to TAKE any blame, make any compromises or back down at all. everyone else is the jerk, ridiculous.

Am i the only one who see's us coming apart at the seams? not just in ham radio but the country in general? we have broken off into broken fragments, old folks are angry and withdrawn because they dont like what they see and arent willing to try to understand, young folks have a serious case of IDGAF (I dont give a F***)and dont think older folks are relevant. intolerance with the excuse of color, religion, sexual preferences, heritage, football teams, political party, "our state/city/school/group/shoes are far superior to yours", all the way down to something as insignificant as a flippin ham radio license...what the hell is the matter with us? why are we all so afraid to back off and give things a rest? are we ALL scared of looking like wimps? is that it?

Whats happening to us? anyone have a calm, thought out answer? or is it going to be more blaming everyone else? i fear its the second one. I just dont get whats so important here, strange thing to have arrogant pride over. hey, you guys do whatever you want, i will be filling out qsl cards from this weekends contest....yes, ham radio, you see, you turn on the radio and there are signals there and you talk to them...no, it doesnt involve a forum or keyboard. this thread started out very nicely, a good suggestion to help bring our ranks together...look what happened within 3 posts.

Some of you "hams" need to try getting on the air sometime, its actually fun. or you can ignore this post because you got some fighting to do with "those other people".

73 (that means best regards)...Adam, N7YA
 
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by SWANMAN on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There already is a 'contest' of sorts this weekend welcoming the techs to HF. The article can be found at: http://www.hamwave.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=viewnews&id=1264
 
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by N6AJR on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
now they are picking on us poor 6's...



seriously, as an old timer and an O F to boot, I welcome you . This will be an interesting time in the story of ham radio. Good, bad or indifferent, it will be interesting.




and by the way folks, please don't try to speak for me. You say all the OF's think this or that. and I for one don't.




Generalization is almost as bad as bigotry. I will participate in neither.




so I welcome all of you new folks and try to show class and spirit even if some folks are less than sterling in their behavior.





 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by ONAIR on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The whole point of getting on 10 meters after the 23rd is to get to know the new HAMS in the area. 10 meter sideband or AM can have pretty good range with just ground wave and no DX, and isn't that how all HAMS really started out 100 years ago, chatting relatively short distances? Many of these newbies will probably be using inexpensive ten meter only rigs, so it's a great opportunity for the old timers to make some new friends and probably find buyers for all the old HF gear sitting on their shelves and collecting dust. Now is your perfect chance to market to them before all the new equiptmemt dealers do! For all the newbies who can not afford expensive new HF equiptment and must buy used, I'm sure they would be much happier to get used rigs from a local ham who they can meet than from ebay or a classified ad listed by some seller who lives 3,000 miles away.
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KI4OGD on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The contest is a fantastic idea, I personally wouldn't make it an actual "contest" perse, but still the action of a crowded band might be a nice warm welcome for some of us who, to be frank, are a little intimidated by the prospect of working in the same space as seasoned veterans of HF. I'll be the first to admit I don't know everything, or even a tenth of what I probably should know about this hobby, but I shure as hell am willing to learn. I highly doubt that I'm in the minority of those you'll see. I even bet in the Tech/Novice CW portions of 40 and 80 meters you'll hear some very bad code being sent. I hope those veteran CW ops will be willing to grin and bear it, because if they can, they can give someone the best education they can get.

For those of you that complain about poor operating procedure, try and tactfully point out flaws in a proper QSO, but please be polite about it! And for those of you new folks (myself included) who don't like being ridiculed, realize that, 9 times out of 10, the OT on the other end is only trying to help, albeit not necessarily in the best manner.

I hope my statements have been made to not seem to terribly pompous, and if they have, that was not my intent.

73 and see you on 10 meters on 2/23
Steven KI4OGD
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KG6WLS on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Tom, you forgot the most important thing... Build yourself a "fan dipole" and make some contacts!
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by W5ESE on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
> I even bet in the Tech/Novice CW portions of 40
> and 80 meters you'll hear some very bad code
> being sent. I hope those veteran CW ops will
> be willing to grin and bear it, because if they
> can, they can give someone the best education
> they can get.

Absolutely; they will soon be able to get on the
General Class CW sections. I will be there and happy
to swap dits and dahs with anyone who cares to give
it a go. Just send 'CQ' at a speed you are
comfortable with.

73
Scott
W5ESE
 
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by KD5NVC on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Great idea, I must say that welcoming new operators will only help them and everyone within the hobby. Not just a contest but let those Elmer’s put their years of talent and experience to good use and guide the new ones on the right road.

73 to all

Glenn Breaux
KD5NVC
Lafayette, La.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by NB3O on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K4JF wrote: "You have a bit of a chirp; here's how to fix it"...
I was told the same thing by some obnoxious, crusty OF at a Bergen Amateur Radio Association meeting back in the fall of 1970......
He realized that I lacked the skills at 11 years old and could not have fixed it, so he gave me his HT-40 with a full bag of crystals....and would not accept a penny from me.
 
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by N0RZT on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Speaking only for my experience, all the OTs I encountered seem to have forgotten to act condescending to me. Certainly I heard about having to go to the FCC to take the exam, but I took this in the spirit of "walking to and from school, uphill both ways".

No name calling. No derogatory conversations directed at me at hamfests. Never excluded at club meetings - quite the opposite, in fact. From the club that organized the NCT class I took back in '92 to present day, I've always been welcomed with a smile and a handshake whenever I joined a new club - from West Lafayette IN to St Louis to Minot ND to Dayton to Columbus OH and back to Dayton - and I only upgraded to 5WPM General this past November.

I've never had any one elmer; I've had a collection of people I sought advice from, or simply listened to and asked questions when I didn't understand something ("what's 9913?").

=

I have a hypothesis as to why people sometimes are quick to anger (I originally came up with this to explain road rage). For the past thirty-some years, we've had catalytic converters reducing the nitrogen oxides in our auto emissions. Undoubtedly, this has had a marked reduction in the amount of laughing gas floating around our cities - and so we're all a little less merry.


Take care,
Chris
N0RZT/8
(and, yes, I know I didn't portray the chemistry exactly right)
 
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by AI2IA on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
It would go a long way to improving the general quality of amateur radio if license holders would get used to thinking of each other as "amateur radio operators." Huh? Yes, amateur radio operators, and not Extra Lites, No-code Generals, Newbies, etc., etc. I stress "thinking" of each other this way. When you contact another operator more than half the skill (I say more than half) depends upon how familiar you are with your own transceiver and how well you adjust your transmit and receive parameters, as well as how you phrase your message. If you get a weak or otherwise poor quality received signal, don't tune past, use your skill to bring it in.

On the air and off the air, it is one radio operator to another. Forget the criticism.
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts' - My 2 Bits  
by K6ATT on February 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
1. I'd really like to see a contest that somehow rewarded those who stayed within a given bandwidth, especially on 40 meters, which already has so much interference from Europe and Asia.
2. I'd also like to see a CW contest that rewarded slow speed. Perhaps it would be that each station could only make one contact every few minutes, or that a certain code speed, say 13 wpm or less, had to be maintained. It wouldn't be a contest in the classic sense... it would be a "Welcome to CW" for those too intimidated by contesting or most CW speeds to participate.

These ideas for nets are, of course, based on the honor system. But they would promote a better, more equitable use of the bands during at least some contest periods.

After all, contests are intended to be fun for all, right? Perhaps we can do some things in this hobby to make them more enjoyable, and leave some bandwidth for those who would like to get on the air but who don't want to participate in a contest on a given weekend.

Just my two bits.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts' - My 2 Bit  
by W7ETA on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Think I'll stick with normal ham radio; make some CW Qs, just to have em in the log, the days before the CW test dies, and SSB Qs the day the CW test expires.
73
Bob
 
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by K4JF on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
""You have a bit of a chirp; here's how to fix it"...
I was told the same thing by some obnoxious, crusty OF at a Bergen Amateur Radio Association meeting back in the fall of 1970......
He realized that I lacked the skills at 11 years old and could not have fixed it, so he gave me his HT-40 with a full bag of crystals....and would not accept a penny from me. "

THAT... is real ham radio. And those are 2 "real hams". (Yes, both of them.)
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts' - My 2 Bit  
by AC9TS on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"2. I'd also like to see a CW contest that rewarded slow speed. Perhaps it would be that each station could only make one contact every few minutes, or that a certain code speed, say 13 wpm or less, had to be maintained. It wouldn't be a contest in the classic sense... it would be a "Welcome to CW" for those too intimidated by contesting or most CW speeds to participate. "

Now THAT is a great idea!

Tom - AC9TS
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by N3OYO on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
A 10M party/celebration in the middle of the night, @ the bottom of the cycle...I love it!..It's PERFECT!..Ummm..are you going to be calling CQ?..If so, what freq, as the show "Fridays" is no longer on..and this just might be the replacement ticket!...I guess lot's of new "operators" will be getting off the 2M repeaters and taking it to 10M..Yup..make's sense to me...Guess we'll be hearing lots of "Where are you?" on 10 soon...I'm ready..Can't wait to hear the DX Celebrations on 10M (in the middle of the night)..Post the freqs you'll be calling on..so we can listen in to the QSOs...It's just get's better & better...
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KB3IFK on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Contest or not contest, 10 meters can be very ruff at this time. In our area there is a local 10 meter net on 38.370 and 10 miles can be ruff. Every evening someone is on 10 meters at this frequency and as I stated a lot of locals have trouble receiving others.

As far as treating the new hf ops with respect, think that would apply to anyone wether they got to hf by passing the cw requirement or not.

Being somewhat of a hard core cw man, I have looked out of the box and hope that this decision will bring new Hams into the Hobby.

Oh, one more thing, I know quite a few techs whom seem to have no interest in upgrading. This I do not understand. They basically use 2 meters as they did citizens band. --... ...-- ... Andy
 
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by W1DPC on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
i think the 10 mtr contest for new hams is a great idea. i have read alot of the comments and have to agree with KX8N on alot of the issues he has raised. i got my license in 1989 and was ignored by most of the local hams on hf and repeaters. name calling is not what ham radio is about. i wish that people would be adults and not children concerning those so called new hams or easy extras. a ham radio operator is just that, an "operator". he is not better than another ham he is equal the one difference is he might have more HF space to play with than another.
i will be on 10 mtrs welcoming those new users on the hf bands.
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by K2GW on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
In my club, we have a number of Techs who will be taking their General exam at noon on Saturday (we started a general license prep class in early January) and will be elemered on HF at the club shack following that.

So the arguments about 10 meters in the dead of night don't really fly, as this group signing /AG can use any band and will be doing so in the afternoon. Also, the contest idea says it runs for six months, which makes for a lot of daylight hours

In any event, we all have an opportunity to use the FCC rule change (which none us can reverse even if we wanted to) to promote Amateur Radio or denigrate it.

As always, don't worry about how others, whether OT's or newcomers, will behave; the onus for the future is entirely on you!

73

Gary. K2GW
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by N3OX on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N0RZT writes:

"I have a hypothesis as to why people sometimes are quick to anger (I originally came up with this to explain road rage). For the past thirty-some years, we've had catalytic converters reducing the nitrogen oxides in our auto emissions. Undoubtedly, this has had a marked reduction in the amount of laughing gas floating around our cities - and so we're all a little less merry. "

Dude, I like your style.

- - - - - -

Heading to home depot tonight for some aluminum to build a 10m moxon, I think... if I don't get around to it I'm at least going to put up a dipole for 10.

73
Dan
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KI6LO on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N3OYO wrote ".... Post the freqs you'll be calling on..so we can listen in to the QSOs...It's just get's better & better... "

Com'on Tom. Why would you just want to listen in? Your callsign lookup here on eHAM shows you have an active General license. If you can hear 10M QSO's anytime day or night, jump in and have fun. From the sound of your comments, you must not operate much. Maybe you should just sell your ham gear and get a bigger TV. Or perhaps you just have been spending too much time in front of the tube watch "dumbing-down-TV" shows like 'Fridays'.

Com'on everybody. Let's get on the air on the Feb 23rd and make contacts with the new HF guys. Making QSO's and having fun is part of what ham radio is all about.

Gene KI6LO
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by W4SK on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Contest or not contest, 10 meters can be very ruff at this time. In our area there is a local 10 meter net on 38.370 and 10 miles can be ruff."

I've never been able to hear anything on that frequency myself, either.

In the meantime, I will listen on 10 cw for those who want their first contact to be like that.

Have fun!

-73-

W4SK


 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by WB2WIK on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
>Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts' Reply
by KB3IFK on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Contest or not contest, 10 meters can be very ruff at this time. In our area there is a local 10 meter net on 38.370 and 10 miles can be ruff. Every evening someone is on 10 meters at this frequency and as I stated a lot of locals have trouble receiving others.<

::I don't hear anybody on 38.370 either! But if you mean 28.370, for "local" work, 10m should be treated like a VHF band (6m, 2m, etc), because when the band's "closed," like it is most of the time, the propagation is tropospheric scatter, just like on VHF. As such, to work any real distance requires good and elevated antennas, just like VHF. If you need a 7 element beam up 40 feet to work a guy 40 miles away on two meters (simplex), you'll need something very similar to do it on ten meters.

That said, I can usually work guys out to about 100-150 miles on 10m tropo at night, if the station on the other end also has a beam and some power.

It should be interesting to see an activity surge come this weekend -- hope it happens!

WB2WIK/6
 
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by WA8VBX on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Steve I hope to see a surge also, but it might be when 10 meters was open before to Tech w/code. Lasted awhile then nothing. If I remember right the cycle was on the way up also.

Kurt
 
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by N3OYO on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Com'on Tom. Why would you just want to listen in? Your callsign lookup here on eHAM shows you have an active General license. If you can hear 10M QSO's anytime day or night, jump in and have fun. From the sound of your comments, you must not operate much. Maybe you should just sell your ham gear and get a bigger TV. Or perhaps you just have been spending too much time in front of the tube watch "dumbing-down-TV" shows like 'Fridays'.

Com'on everybody. Let's get on the air on the Feb 23rd and make contacts with the new HF guys. Making QSO's and having fun is part of what ham radio is all about.

Gene KI6LO "

Busted!!..You're right! I can honestly say I haven't worked any midnight 10M DX lately.....but lo...I AM getting ready to throw my new SteppIR up and take one HF antenna down..soon as the weather get's better. I am getting ready to upgrade to Extra..(and I actually know/knew the theory/math/code, and didn't memorize the answers, go figure?) But anyway..too late.."Fridays" was a 1980's show..so I've already dumbed-down, but now that I know 10M Midnight DX QSO parties are coming...I've been re-invigorated...We just got a 50" Bravia...so, I'm set big TV-wise for a bit...Yup..it's gonna be real interesting..

73' Tom
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KI6LO on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,

Heard you weak on 40M SSB yesterday evening early around 5:30pm or so while I was mobile. I was going to try and call you but there was just too much QSB. Maybe I'll hear you on 10M this weekend.

Gene KI6LO
Ridgecrest, CA
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KI6LO on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Tom,

Doubt I will hear you here in CA from MD on the 23rd if your on but I'm sure there will be lots of pockets of activity all over the nation. Good Luck on the Extra. Code or no code, it really doesn't matter so long as you use the ticket and have fun doing it.

73

Gene KI6LO
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by K8MHZ on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
" In our area there is a local 10 meter net on 38.370 and 10 miles can be ruff."

I think you meant 28.370, right?

Yeah, 10 miles can be a stretch when Ol' Sol packs it in for the night.

But we have about 100 hams in a 10 mile radius in the denser (population wise) areas of the county.

10 should be getting popular again soon. Cool!
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by KASSY on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I've not been licensed very long, but I know exactly when and where to be someone's first QSO.

Straight Key Night. In the two years since I've been on the air, on that night, I become at least a half dozen hams' "first QSO" and for many more "first CW QSO".

Loads of fun.

CU on 10.

-k
 
RE: Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by WB4QNG on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I have a R/S 10 meter rig that scans the band any time I in my shack. I sure hope this makes for more activity on 10 but like the man said how many are going to have rigs. I think the whole thing is being over blown. I think you will have a few thousand who will upgrade in the near future and then it will all be over. How may still have their Novice tickets and how many Tech plus never upgraded. I just don't see this big gain of hams like they are predicting. I hope I am wrong.
Terry
WB4QNG
 
Before the Next Thread Begins.....  
by N0AH on February 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I want to get this out of the way. Welcome all new hams who are under achieiving thieves when it comes into getting into our ranks. But to those of you who are new, and with strength and honor, will uphold our traditional operating procedures, may the force be with you- Avoid the darkside of MFJ and you will survive-
 
Worked the Most 'First HF Contacts'  
by WA8VBX on February 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well it is about 14hrs away, and if this OM/OF or whatever you want to call me, can stay up that late, I will be listening on 28.417. That is where my Dad (K8YZK sk) and myself use to talk all the time. I will be listening and hopefully talking to some of the new people to 10 meter voice.

Welcome and oh yes MFJ is not all bad.

73
Kurt
K8YZK
 
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by AB9FH on February 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Our club has a regularly scheduled 10m net on Friday nights, which has been slowly gaining in popularity. I hope we get some new guys this week; I will be putting out the invitation at our club meeting tonight. I usually don't try to join in myself, but this time I will.

In the MIlwaukee area: 28.490 USB, every Friday night, 8pm local. Followed by our 2m net on the repeater at 9pm, but that's old hat ;)

Howard AB9FH
 
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by K4JF on February 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
".OM/OF or whatever you want to call me.."

~~chuckle~~ Two different things. OM has no reference to age. OF most definitely does!! :o)
 
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by WA8VBX on February 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
OldMan or OldFart, I have been called both and in the same sentence, and didn't get upset about either one, whats the old saying stick and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

Actually been called a lot worse.

See you on 10 meters.

Kurt
K8YZK

 
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by K4JF on February 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Actually been called a lot worse."

That wouldn't be difficult, as "OM" is a compliment.
 
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by KF6PLG on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
like the idea! we went through the same bs on no code tech (paranoia among the ranks or just something to whine about? ) i have tried to do code since 1974 tried everything except the flashing lights. had 2 very good elemers try to help me with it but i have freq loss in my hearing and i refused to get a medical sign off to upgrade!! no its not an excuse either!! so what if the OM/OF are bitter thats there thing.everything changes if its good or bad its up to us!! the general lites can have QSOs among each other. i just hope it don't turn into 11M geez. its too bad this is supposed to be a hobby and helpful to each other. where did it get lost in the translation?? thanks for letting put in my 2 cents
73 terry KF6PLG
 
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by N3OYO on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well..this was all I heard on 10M last night after midnight..(Honestly):

3 or 4 guys had set up their roundtable on 28.&%% and were having the usual roundtable discussion they had on 2M FM. They were commenting that no one know's what their new privileges were (they were T's, all of them). and that they were sure they had more privileges than the little slot on 10, and it would become clear in a few days as the FCC clarifies it. One or 2 did "radio checks" and were talking about how it sounded better (the roundtable) back on the 2M freq they used. A new person (T) checked in, asked for a radio check, got one, commented he was using a CB antenna re-tuned..the others chimed-in saying they were doing the same, one was using an Astro Plane antenna. The new one that was in and out remarked that he was not sure if he was to use USB or LSB. One commented they ought to just go use the other bands, and if they were in the wrong band(s), they would be advised of such.

That was about all I heard on 10M locally here....Never heard the band "burst open with celebration"...I guess it burst open elsewhere...

73' Tom
 
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by WA8VBX on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well I was on right after midnight and I heard and worked exactly ZERO. I know I don't have the best antenna system (G5RVjr at 12'), but thought I would hear one or two on.
Well the weekend is near so maybe I will hear some soon.

73
Kurt
 
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by N3OYO on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I know..well..you read what I heard...I already heard this morning some guys getting run off for operating out of their freq-privileges..Again, one said "Let em' fine me!"..The FCC wasn't clear on the privileges!"...

I'm not saying anything to em'.It's too entertaining, plus I knew it was gonna happen (as others did). It look's like it's going the way some said it would....All ya need to entertain yourself now is just a receiver & a bucket of buttered popcorn....It just doesn't get any better...
 
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by KC8QFP on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
GEEEEZ, not another @#$%^% CONTEST!!!!!! ARGG! It's an ARRL conspiracy!

73, Don
 
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by WR8D on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Ref N3OYO: What do we expect other than for this to be the outcome of this mess. They are taught the questions and answers with no operating practices thrown in. These guys aren't this stupid, they're just pushing to see how far and how much they can get away. My only wish is for a few high noses here on eham to get the full experiance. They'll never admit they've heard any of this crap going on. WR8D
 
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by K4JF on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"The FCC wasn't clear on the privileges!"... "

The FCC was PERFECTLY CLEAR on the privileges.
 
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by KC8QFP on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<<K4JF on February 23, 2007
"The FCC wasn't clear on the privileges!"... "

The FCC was PERFECTLY CLEAR on the privileges. >>>

Let's see here, the no code gens and techs are permitted to transmit on eleven meters using five thousand watts linnikers through coat hanger antennaes, power mics with roger beeps, and modified Yaesu FT-101b's. As long as they know what the "clarifier" is for, they are qualified to operate on the ARS 11m band. This was explained to me by an extra ham op, and he's knows what he is talking about - trust me!

ten fer, Don

PS: It is important that the no codes learn to say ""QSL"" and ""CQ"" alot!

PPS: I turned on my HF rig today, and it was flooded with all the no codes like crazy - I worked... ZERO!
I guess I don't get the WMFHFC award.
 
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by N3OYO on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well..I heard about an hour of "radio checks" today (this morning)...It was really eclectic/bizarre..I actually didn't think it would turn sorta "Lidsville" like this..One guy was called "Operator Bob" or something like that..I really sorta thought(or hoped) it really wouldn't happen..but..hey..anyone remember Zappa & The Mothers of Invention...

"It can't happen HERE!..I'm telling you MY Dear..that it can't...happen....here...!
"Whooo...would imagine, that they would be freaking-out..in Washington, DC?....."


Well..."They" said this "scenario" would not happen...and we were just paranoid about nothing...well..
Break out the buttered popcorn & fire up the rigs (in listen mode" only)..as "The times they are a changin'"
 
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by N3OYO on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'm sure the ones that chastised others previously for fearing for the worst are jumping in (even as we read this) and are getting control of it...gently Elmering those who have wandered from "the path"...

Let us listen, and give wide berth..to those "in the know"..Let us stand back, and allow them to work their magic..In the meantime, Enjoy the Roundtables now on 11 (I meant..10M..sorry..)

It can't happen HERE...


73' Tom
 
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by KC5CQD on February 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
So where is all the activity?

Here it is almost midnight on 02/23/07 and I've yet to hear ANY activity on ten meters. According to what I heard, the Tech's were supposed to descend on ten like a bunch of vultures but I've heard nothing but static.


Too bad! I was hoping to see ten meters get more activity.
 
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by N3OYO on February 24, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Ummm?..Let's see.....It "descended" 12:01AM Friday morning, which was just after midnight Thursday night...It became Feb 23 at that time..
Day late and a dollar short...

No "meaness" intended...but are you part of the Elmering team?
 
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by N3OYO on February 24, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I was just listening to the "magic" of the new "lites" on 20...there was about 20 (a guess) of em' "descending" on an Italian station, none would let the other say anything, even after the "DX" station picked a call...Finally he (the DX station) said "No one listen's, bye bye..QRT!" The "lites" kept throwing in calls for another 10 minutes..though the DX station had gone QRT (maybe he should have said "10-7" or something...) About 1khz next door, 2 were argueing over what their new privileges were as gen/lites....on LSB.

It was..let's call it...a magic moment for me.

Kum Bai Ya...

 
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by N3OYO on February 24, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I forgot to mention...a few in the pile-up were throwing-in "slash AG...slash AG...slash AG" when trying to get thru...


I remain....
 
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by K4JF on February 24, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Let's see here, the no code gens and techs are permitted to transmit on eleven meters using five thousand watts linnikers through coat hanger antennaes, power mics with roger beeps, and modified Yaesu FT-101b's. As long as they know what the "clarifier" is for, they are qualified to operate on the ARS 11m band. This was explained to me by an extra ham op, and he's knows what he is talking about - trust me!

ten fer, Don"

None of the above, Don. None of the above.
 
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by N3OYO on February 24, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well...what happened to the "Oh shucks..it won't be that bad.." bunch...
 
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by AA4BJ on February 24, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I wonder if this is why QRZ.com has been down all evening?
 
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by KC8QFP on February 24, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'm too scared and paranoid to make "First HF Contacts", I'm gonna hide under my desk!
 
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by KD5BFE on February 24, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Funny, I haven't heard any of what N3OYO is describing as the Decline of Amateur Radio Civilization. Don't feed the trolls, people.

I just passed my Element 3 today. Only took ten years to get around to it, but I'm really excited to finally be talking instead of just listening on the Icom 737 I've had for about 6 years now. Maybe I won't wait as long now to upgrade to Extra.

73's
 
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by N3OYO on February 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'm not a troll..I just described what I heard ...Hey..maybe the trolls are the ones that didn't want to put any time and effort into earning their upgrades, but now that it's been pretty much given to them, after they are (by coincidence of course)) "just getting around to it." just by chance after Element 1 was dropped. Memorizing those questions and going for your Extra eh?..Hey..go for it..Why not..
 
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by N3OYO on February 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Oh..ummm..forgot...

Welcome No-Code General (now soon to be No Code Extra)
 
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by KD5BFE on February 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N3OYO, you gotta rise above...

I was just looking at your ULS info. Seems that YOU were licensed as a no-code tech in 2003, some six years after I was originally licensed in 1997 and after the supposed "dumbing down" of the question pool in 2000. Not only have I been licensed LONGER than you, I also did it when I was 17 years old and fresh out of high school with a more difficult question pool that I DID NOT memorize.

You received your General ticket in November 2006, which means you just happened to be "lucky" enough to get your ticket with an Element 1 right before the FCC removed the requirement. So yes, if you're going to sit there and act like a two-year-old and throw up all sorts of crap about no-coders when all YOU had to do was pass a 5-WPM E1 and memorize the answers to the SAME question pool I passed yesterday, I'm gonna call you a troll.

Also, in the last ten years, I've been through college, law school, and passing the bar exam. Getting my General ticket hasn't exactly been the highest priority on my list of to-do's. I'll be the first one to admit that the removal of the E1 requirement did motivate me to finally just take the test, but I still plan on using CW and building up my speed with it. Practice makes perfect.
 
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by KD5BFE on February 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, I need to redact my first paragraph, seems as though N3OYO has had his Tech longer than 2003, but he still only received his General in 2006, still not long enough to be supporting these machinations he's been posting about "no-coders". My second paragraph still stands.
 
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by K4JF on February 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Welcome No-Code General (now soon to be No Code Extra) "

Can't welcome what does not exist. Those licenses say simply "General" or "Extra".
 
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by W0RH on February 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'd just like to comment on KX8N's comment that so many old timers are bitter in losing the code that they won't help newcomers. I've heard some of their comments and I know that it may be true that some of the "old timers" are bitter, but I think they are in the minority.

I am a "20 wpm extra" and I did "have to travel a long way to appear before FCC examiners to take all but my novice test." But I welcome everyone who is licensed to HF. I hope I can help anyone who needs help to adjust. I know there will be some adjustment that needs to be made by the newcomers to HF but it won't be long before they are operating like the Old Timers. It was true of the new no-code Techs and it will be true of the new no-code generals and extras.

Thanks and 73 to all
Ron - W0RH
 
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by N3OYO on February 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I wanted a LEGIT HF General License.....Wanna know how long it took to learn code......3 weeks....I wanted "some" accreditation from my peers. I didn't expect to cry about it & then let them give it to me. I learned the code cause I wanted HF privileges. I also bought a Begali Signature which I now use...I knew the dropping of the code was a farce, and wanted a somewhat legit (peer-wise) HF license. I don't care if I got a Tech license in 1492...I passed the code test & got my HF license...instead of crying about the code & waiting for it to drop.

My NO Code General & Extra Lite statement.....stands...Truth hurt?
The tag is what it is...I didn't make it up..I heard it here

 
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by N3OYO on February 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Can't welcome what does not exist. Those licenses say simply "General" or "Extra". "


Yup..you're right..but it is what is is...call it what you like..This is now beating a dead horse...
The deed is done...
Go reap the rewards..you "earned" em'...

CYA Later...

 
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by K4JF on February 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Yup..you're right..but it is what is is...call it what you like..This is now beating a dead horse... "

Nope, sorry. There are only three (3) licenses available now.

Technican (which has no reason to continue to exist)
General (there is no General-lite or any other modifier)
and
Extra (see General above)

That's all. Period. End of sentence.
 
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by KC8QFP on February 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Code does not make a good ham operator. No biggie if you use it or not! It was a barrier for a long time, and the fence has been taken down that kept some people out. Some of the new guys may be lids, but some of the old timers are lids too. The guys that had to "work" to learn 5, 13, or 20 WPM seem jealous to me. Now with the computer age, be glad that the FCC doesn't impose touch typing at let's say 50 WPM at 75% minimum accuracy! Knowing code does not make for a better person - but I see a lot of "I know something that you don't know" -- haw haw haw haw haawww haw! For those that know and do code, they have one more mode that the other's do not! And if they are 20+WPM proficiant, that is something else they can do amongst their friends that the other guys cannot do, if they want to be snobs about it. Wait a minute, the other guys can do it, using an MFJ decoder, you don't even have to know code to do code. MFJ saves the day for CW!!!

73, Don
 
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by KC8QFP on February 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< Nope, sorry. There are only three (3) licenses available now >>>

From what I've heard from the rumor mills, the EXTRA portions will be no more, and there will only be a ARS license without classification. Now I guess it is still pretty much the General and Extra, but not for long! Band plans will be what sections are digital, CW, QRP, DX, voice etc. and no worry whether you are in General or Extra space. The FCC is probably rewriting part 97, and I hope we will still have the same bands, hopefully more, and not less. So all we need to learn are the band's boundaries. I'm still in a quandery as to what nations are permitted and not OK to communicate with??? many are dazed and confused, but I wonder IF the FCC will enforce their rules and regs anymore anyhow (CB repeats itself). I don't see how the FCC can enforce the R&R's until this has been settled and published. They have to change the testing Q&A too. The govy moves slowly and in the meantime things will be a mess. Thank you Billy boy Clinton for the new FCC!

73, Don
 
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by K4JF on February 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I'm still in a quandery as to what nations are permitted and not OK to communicate with??? "

There are no "banned countries" any more as far as the FCC is concerned. That went away long ago. You can communicate with ANY country you can reach and hear.
 
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by K4JF on February 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"From what I've heard from the rumor mills, the EXTRA portions will be no more, and there will only be a ARS license without classification."

There are a couple of people on these boards advocating such. 2 or 3 No support from any national all-ham organization, and no indication from the FCC, so I seriously doubt that will happen. At least not in the near future.
 
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by KC8QFP on February 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< K4JF "I'm still in a quandery as to what nations are permitted and not OK to communicate with??? "

There are no "banned countries" any more as far as the FCC is concerned. That went away long ago. You can communicate with ANY country you can reach and hear. >>>


I've been inactive for over 12 years, and I guess I had better get a copy of the R&R's... after they get their shit together and setttle down with the changes. I thought I saw something to the effect on the ARRL site (in Janurary) about the tech plus merging with the general portions which pretty much means there is no more tech class band plan. If this is so, there are the Tech/Gen's and the Extra's. Maybe all this was simply proposal? CONFUSED!

Don
 
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by KC8QFP on February 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I stand corrected at least for now, I looked up the charts at the ARRL.org, and they still show the novice/tech, general, advanced, and extra band plans. Perhaps I read something in the effect that they are not issuing the tech, as they dumped the novice and advanced classes? Are the VEC's still going to issue the tech testing? I got the impression that there was only going to be the gen and extra tests???

Don
 
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by K4JF on February 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I thought I saw something to the effect on the ARRL site (in Janurary) about the tech plus merging with the general portions which pretty much means there is no more tech class band plan."

No, there is still a specified set of Tech privileges which are distinct from General. There is no such thing as Tech Plus, (aka Tech with code) anymore as there is no such thing as code credit. All Techs have the same privileges. They are what Tech Plus used to be.

Not the same as General. I've heard some thinking that, but have no idea where it came from. As far as I know it has never been seriously proposed.
 
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by K4JF on February 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Perhaps I read something in the effect that they are not issuing the tech, as they dumped the novice and advanced classes? Are the VEC's still going to issue the tech testing? I got the impression that there was only going to be the gen and extra tests???"

There has been no change in the written tests and the licenses issued. They are not eliminating Tech (although, personally, I don't see any reason to keep it).

Yes, we VEs will still be giving the Tech exams. They will still be the first step, and you will have to take both Tech and General to get your General license.
 
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by K2GW on February 27, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
That's correct. The three license classes that can be currently earned are Tech, General and Amateur Extra. There are no plans to change this; in fact the FCC goal in all of their licensing decisions since 1999 have been to reach sucha goal.

Exisiting Novice and Advanced class licenses are still valid, may be renewed and the subands for those classes still exist, although no one can be issued a new license in those two classes. The old Tech and Tech Plus license are now merged as there is no longer any difference in operating privileges between them.

73

Gary, K2GW
 
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by W2LIE on February 27, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
As a "no-code" tech, I'm looking forward to finally getting myself on HF. I picked up a used TS-450SAT this weekend for a great price! I bought a R7000 Vertical two years ago, hoping to get CW under my belt. (I still can't get my dits and dahs straight).

I will be on HF this summer....just shy of the 6month mark for this contest.

Good luck everyone!
 
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by K2GW on February 27, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N3OYO really needs to get some perspective from his elders..

He said:
>>I wanted a LEGIT HF General License.....Wanna know how long it took to learn code......3 weeks....I wanted "some" accreditation from my peers.

Well you're not getting it from me mostly because of your attitude to new hams entering the hobby. But since you want to judge others by how they got their licenses, let one of your superiors judge you...

1 N3OYO got his General this past November with only a 5 word per minute code test, not 13 WPM.. So how does that not make N3OYO what he calls a "General Lite"?

2. N3OYO first became a No Code Tech in 1993 and waited 13 years before bothering to learn the code. I'm shocked they would even let someone on any Amateur band without knowing Morse Code. I had to pass my Morse Code test in 1975 before keying any transmitter anywhere.

3. Since N3OYO's call sign has 3 letters in the suffix, he obviously became a ham way too late to get a real 1x2 callsign with his initials like mine. And I'll bet he's not a member of the QCWA since he was first licensed as No Code Tech in 1993.

I think you get the point. Now back to reality from N3OXO's warped world.

This 30 year licensed ham spent the weekend being a VE for a bunch of new hams, teaching an introductory class on HF operation to some newly upgraded Generals and helping them make their first HF contacts from our club shack.

That's what makes a "real ham", not what test that the FCC happened to require of them at the moment they were licensed.

Welcome to all of the new hams and congratulations to all who have recently upgraded!

73

Gary, K2GW

 
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by K4JF on February 27, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I still can't get my dits and dahs straight"

Hint: don't try to get them right. Just go by the sound of the whole character......

"A" is not .- , and it is not dit dah. It's didah.
..and so on...
 
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by N3OYO on February 28, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I stand by what I said....I don't care if you agree with it or not. When, how many, how long, whatever..I don't care if I got my Tech license 50 years ago & passed a 1 letter per minute code test yesterday..I still did it...it's apples & oranges..it's still the same. ..Hmmm..talk about ME judging someone?...Nice critique...I've said my thoughts, they were not nasty in nature. There are as many with my thoughs as with yours....I have relatives that were amateurs when you were wearing a diaper, that are very dissatisfied with the code elimination. If you think I'm a "Coded-Lite General"..Thanks..That's a compliment! At least I did it...
Licensed in 1993?..Yup..& was "off the air" for years (divorce, etc). I just got back into it not too long ago, wanted HF privileges, studied/passed the Code Test. I never whined about it.
Now..Tell us more about your call sign...
 
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by AB8XA on February 28, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N3OYO, from one newbie to another, you sound like a little kid trying to talk tough repeating what he heard the grown-ups say. You aren't gonna get any respect from the old timers like that. One of the good ones already told you that. The ones you're trying to imitate just laugh at you because to them, you ARE a light, criticizing other lights. What a joke!

If you tested Element 1 to get "accreditation" from your peers or so you can come on here, pound your chest and claim how much better that, or owning an expensive paddle, makes you over some others, you did it for the wrong reason. If you'd tested it because you love code and/or were doing it for yourself, it wouldn't matter to you whether anyone else did it. That would be irrelevant.

Some stand tall on their own merits and can afford to be humble. Others with low-self esteem try to cut down others around them to try to make themselves appear taller. And that's obvious to everyone around them they think they're impressing.
 
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by N3OYO on March 1, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
So..it basically boils down to personal attacks if one disagrees with another. This ends now. It's hard to disagree with "the bestus Ham ever"...I spoke my piece, and my thoughts stand. It's gone from comments to petty personal attacks. I'm not getting sucked into it, almost did. Seems the ones I commented on are now the authorities. (ala "1984").
CYA...
 
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by KD5BFE on March 2, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N3OYO,

You got lucky. No one knew back in November that Element 1 would be eliminated. If you're really getting back into the hobby after going through some not-so-great years in your personal life, great. More power to you. I'm getting back into the hobby after some 10 years of focusing on my career and other not-so-personal interests. Now I have time for myself, and E1 happened to go away at the right time for me.

It's only going to be the death knell for ham radio if you let it be. From what I've heard on the air and seen at the club when I took E3, it's going to be alright.
 
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by N3OYO on March 3, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I just wrote a large reply here, & deleted it. Why? The bands now speak for themselves. I was just in a pile-up on 20M with several "slash AGs" literally used as a call signs. I also just heard a "slash Extra" used..enough said. Enjoy!
 
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