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Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:

from OxfordTribune.com on February 10, 2007
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First Step  
by HA6SST on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Spelling lessons.

HA6SST
 
RE: First Step  
by KG4RUL on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I have had just the opposite experience with Berkeley Electric Cooperative (BEC) in Berkeley County, SC.

I called about an arcing insulator about 19:00 one evening and a truck showed up in less that 30 minutes. The problem pole was in a backyard and could not be reached with a bucket truck so, the linemen had to climb the pole and work a hot line to replace the insulator. All that was acomplished within less than an hour.

I guess maybe people are more friendly and accomodating here in the South?

Dennis KG4RUL
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W6VPS on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I believe the time has already come to involve the FCC.
And the article's author needs to go back to English class. PECO is a company and takes singular pronouns.
Them and their might describe PECO employees but not the corporate entity.
Paul/W6VPS
 
Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by N3JLO on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
This is very unfortunate

There was an interference problem at my dad's house, also a ham in Chester County, and I called PECO, and it was fixed relatively fast even though I don't have the equipment and knowledge that Mr Taylor has to identify the exact pole. PECO found an arching insulator, and it was fixed within two weeks of my calling. This was several years ago.

I don't know why PECO is taking so long with this problem, but I wonder if it has to do with the recent merger with another utility, and they cut the budget and personnel for this department.

I hope that the FCC does get involved since it seems Mr Taylor has been calling for months. It's apparent that PECO has no plans to fix this and other problems I've noticed in the area of Chester County. They need to be more responsive with issues other than basic electricity service.

I wonder why everytime it takes threats and bad press to get a company to do the right thing.

73
Mike
N3JLO
 
Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Interfering with national security"??

Boys and girls: ham radio MAY be in the national INTEREST in some cases, but don't pretend it is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY.

That quote is the most overhyped, fraudulant statement I have read in ANY ham radio fluff piece.

Do we need to have a media fluff piece every time a ham goes to the bathroom??

If this RFI situation happens to you DON'T GO TO THE PRESS FIRST. If you end up with nonsense such as in this article, retraction may be the tip of your worries.

IF THIS RFI HAPPENS:

1)document the RFI;
2) document efforts to resolve it with the power company;
3) send it all to the FCC;
4) wait.

That is the extent and privilege of your recourse.

Otherwise, you may make ham radio look like idiots--such as done in this piece.

 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by W2BSA on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Spelling and incorrectness of the article aside, it looks like this fellow has done all that you suggest W1YW. Now he's going not only to the FCC but he's publicized the problem as well. As I have understood it from reading newspapers and seeing news reports from the Philadelphia area, PECO is not known for it's responsiveness to any problems with their system. So the Radio Amateurs in that area aren't the only folks having problems with PECO.
 
Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
...then you didn't READ or UNDERSTAND what I said: I said GO TO THE FCC--NOT THE PRESS.

Going to the press first is stupid.

Got it this time OM?

TNX.
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by K3WACKY on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W1YW,

YOU didn't read the article then.

He went to PECO first, and after almost 9 months, nothing happened.

He didn't go the press first

GOT IT OM?
 
Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by KG4RRN on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I say, refuse to pay your power bill and the neighbors too...you all need to get a petition together, to make the local jurisdiction (town,city entity) write a letter to these "round Tuits" until they do fix it.
Every evening about 7:30 pm here we have power line electrical interference on FM which sounds like a cars alternator whining, and it doesn't go away until after 9:00pm. We just had a new high tension line added too,(4 now) and the other utilities here make the telephone poles look sloppy with all of the cable, telephone and optical fiber wire wound up and down the poles and not secured half the time. Sloopy wiring does resonate people !
I really like the "frequency part" of the article by the "journalist" though..she needs to attend some club meetings, for a better understanding of how amateur radio frequncies work ~
boB....

 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by N9XCR on February 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I really like the "frequency part" of the article by the "journalist" though..she needs to attend some club meetings, for a better understanding of how amateur radio frequncies work"

I was thinking the same thing. She quotes Taylor as having used such terminology himself. What was that about? Was she seriously mis-quoting him, or is his terminology off-base as well?

Chris
N9XCR
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by N6HPX on February 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I for one sure wished we Hams could have worried about this BPL more than the other stuff like doing away with the code exams...if you can't hear em how you gonna work em..oh well thats progress...
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by K8MHZ on February 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I thought Chip's suggestion to go the the FCC before the press was quite easily understood. I also think the suggestion to be a prudent one.

I have had to deal with the FCC on more than one occasion concerning interference to the ARS.

Here is what the FCC suggests, and how they will respond.

First they suggest that the ham makes a polite contact with the interfering party. The FCC will not get involved if you don't. If the problem does not get resolved at that point, the next step is to document the interference with as much detail as possible, including making recordings.

The FCC will review the evidence and if they agree with it will send a letter to the interfering party as a notification. After a period of time, which varies, they will then send a field agent out to witness the violation. Once an FCC Field Agent is a witness, the gears are in motion. Another notice will be sent, this time mentioning the fact that now the interfering party is dealing with a bona fide witness from the FCC and the case now is between the FCC and the interfering party. The FCC will give a time frame for correction. If the interfering party has not made the correction, a NAL will be sent with a list of fines.

So far, this has been the extent of any issue I have worked with. The FCC is also quite clear that in addition to issuing fines they can bring a Federal Marshall along with them and force the interfering party to stop using the equipment causing the interference. This last step is not likely with a power company. More likely is for the FCC to issue daily fines, some in the area of 10 grand per Diem, for every day the interference continues after the deadline has passed.

My experience comes from several cases and involved agents from the Detroit Field Office.

Overall, the FCC has been helpful, albeit slow, to resolve interference issues. I have also found them to be very fair and understanding with parties involved that are willing to cooperate.
 
Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There is a PROCESS: as K8MHZ describes, the process WORKS.

In addition, despite the debacle of BPL, the ARRL, specifically W1RFI, has been known to offer helpful advice to ARRL members when RFI arises. If you are a member, that may be an additional route to explore.

73,
Chip W1YW

 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by WI7B on February 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!


"For the past six months, Taylor has been exhausting every resource he can think of to get PECO out to Oxford to fix the simple problem."

Yes, except the key "resource"...contacting the Philadelphia office of the FCC.

I agree with Chip on this one.

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by K8MHZ on February 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"There is a PROCESS: as K8MHZ describes, the process WORKS.

In addition, despite the debacle of BPL, the ARRL, specifically W1RFI, has been known to offer helpful advice to ARRL members when RFI arises. If you are a member, that may be an additional route to explore."

The ARRL does not limit their resources to members only. I have been contacted by the ARRL and they have offered help to me with RFI problems. I have never been an ARRL member.

I was advised that they could help me locate a source of RFI, which I did not need as I knew where it was coming from, and they also informed me of how the FCC handled RFI complaints, which I did find helpful.

I did not contact the ARRL. The ARRL was contacted by the FCC and was asked to work with me; that prompted the ARRL to contact me and offer assistance.

 
Are you sure this guy isn't a PG&E customer?  
by KF6IIU on February 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Our motto: If it's on fire we'll roll a truck, or at least think about it.

Right now I'm listening to S9 arcing cut in and out on 14070 (along with all the LIDs with Khz-wide PSK31 signals. Some things never change.)

Last summer we had a heat wave and the primary (14+kV) lines literally all melted in our neighborhood and fell in the street. Some transformers boiled over and spewed hot oil on the ground. PG&E fixed them in a couple of days. And I didn't have as much arcing for a few months! Until the rainy season started. Back to square one.

There are some poles in my neighborhood so noisy you can't get a GPS lock under them.

Oh well, more crumbling infrastructure, blah blah blah. It's not a matter "which pole"; it's "which pole isn't."

 
Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by AI2IA on February 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
If we generously over look the crap in his preface, W1YW captured the essence of it:

"IF THIS RFI HAPPENS:

1)document the RFI;
2) document efforts to resolve it with the power company;
3) send it all to the FCC;
4) wait."

- W1YW

However, keeping ARRL informed is a good idea, too!
 
RE: Are you sure this guy isn't a PG&E custome  
by N6HPX on February 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The party should get some copyies of interfence complaints to others which Riley sent in response to problems. Just to show the laws as to what they would be facing it they don't clean up there act on this..its one they should think about when it comes to interference laws.
 
Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
If we generously over look the crap in his preface, W1YW captured the essence of it: --AI2IA

------------------

This is a truly amateurish comment and does not reflect well upon the amateur radio Part 97 service, IMO. It also fails to accept, IMO, that there are professionals here in wireless and telecom that attempt to assist the service, by conveying a perspective of those who are not so...obsessed with a very narrow point of view within it.

Again, the discussion should be around comments and facts, not people in some personal attack fashion. And certainly not defamation.


73,
Chip W1YW
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by QSYING on February 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I see a common thread between ARRL helping both complaining and interfering parties with RFI issues and ARRL's stance on RFI from BPL. It is a consistent effort, from ARRL's perspective, to help reduce RFI.

I have worked with and around federal and state regulators, including FCC, for decades and find that regulated entities (and those who hold themselves out as representing interests of regulated entities) often have multiple levels of interaction with the regulators. These interactions often involve different positions, pro and con, on diverse issues.

This is pretty common stuff in the regulatory arena.

73,

Bob - KC9JUB
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by AD5TD on February 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I would have done the same as the author. Document, contact the power company. Give them 30 days to fix it. Contact again (always with certified letters) and give them another 30 days. If by them you have no action, I would shame them as much as I could in the press, TV, Radio, anything I could find.

Reason? The FCC moves at a glacial pace. Most of the power line interference problems you hear about are not settled for YEARS.

For cripes sake, it took them 5 years to put away a guy that was jamming Coast Guard stations!
 
Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by K2JVI on February 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Greetings:

Aside from the media hype, I do sympathize with the ham on his interference problem. Six months does seem to be a long time to track and report a problem. four years ago I had severe line interference which not only wiped out amateur radio, but also caused severe interference on VHF TV channels as well as noticable interference on some of the low UHF channels(ie 17,23,and 29, which are in use in Minneapolis). I reported the problem to Xcel Energy and did lots of legwork to help narrow down the source. Whithin a month Xcel rebuilt most of the power line behind my house and it has been peaceful ever since.
Chip has the right approach. Work with the utility and be patient and professional in your approach, it paid off for me and I followed up with Xcel as well to thank them for their efforts..

73's
 
Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
It's unacceptable that the power company has not resolved this. IMO they should get a hefty fine from the FCC.

Taking it to the media--look where it ended up, globally: I'm in BOSTON MA for goodness sake!--
should never be in the cards until and if the PROCESS fails. Frankly I am surprised that some of you (fortunately not many) need reminding what that process is...

Just don't make someone in Boston MA think that what a ham does in PECO TX with respect to his 'hobby' is a matter of 'national security'. Ugh!

73,
Chip W1YW
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interferrence Causes Headache:  
by K3WACKY on February 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
It's not PECO Tx

It's PECO, Philadelphia Electric COmpany

It's in Oxford, Pa,
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
You failed to get the trenchant sarcasm Mr. Wacky.

Try again.
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by N0NB on February 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
This idea of assuming a company as plural in spelling seems to be gaining popularity. I've noticed many European writers on non-ham radio sites do treat the company name as plural. It seems odd to my custom, but not necessarily incorrect since a company is usually made up of multiple people.

Patience is the key when working with the power company. Last spring I noted an annoying noise that would surface a couple of days after a rain and last longest on the AM broadcast band. In July I called their office in Topeka and the same day a note appeared on my door acknowledging my report. A week or so later I got a phone call from their RFI specialist who seemed to understand my mention of ham radio, who I later recognized as a ham I knew, but hadn't talked to for years.

The process took a couple of months as we went into a protracted dry spell with no noise followed by several weeks of wet weather, also with no noise. Finally, it worked out and they found a cracked insulator across the street. My thanks to WQ0P for getting the issued solved once conditions permitted it to be found.

This was the second time in my ham radio career that I called the power company and each time the company involved responded quickly and worked with me to resolve the problem.
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by AA1ZU on February 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The British have always treated plurals this way, at least for sports teams. On the BBC they will say "Manchester United are playing at Birmingham today".
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by K1DA on February 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Despite the comments of self appointed "expert" W1YW, in Rhode Island simply call the Public Utilities Commission (most states have one) and state your case.
While the PUC is responsive, I have found, give me a call if they don't seem to be paying attention.

73 Chuck
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Despite "Chuck's" suggestion, the advice I gave is how things work.

Sometimes it seems, IMO, that only in ham radio does denial and bad practice of execution lead to false justification for attacking the person who is right.

Doncha think?

 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by KG4RUL on February 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
i am beginning to think that Chip W1YW aspires to be the Simon Cowell of Amateur Radio.
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Ask yourself if Simon is ever wrong.

You may not WANT to hear it, but sometimes you have to face reality.
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by K1DA on February 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I've only been practicing law for 30 odd years but I guess you know more than I do about how to get things done here. How many times have YOU appeared at a PUC hearing in Rhode Island?
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

Well Chuck, what part of the advise do you find factually and manifestly bad, and why?

You seem willing to proffer sarcasm without correcting.

So, correct. Show that my advise is not at an "expert" level in this situation.

I would be especially interested in any defense you may have regarding the naming of ham radio as a 'national security' issue.

 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Here's what my advise was Chuck. Note that any PUC hearing or equivalent would be part of step 2. So, are you agreeing, or just trying to be disagreeable for some unknown reason?

Again, if it's wrong, then correct it for us all.

73,
Chip W1YW
----------------------------

"IF THIS RFI HAPPENS:

1)document the RFI;
2) document efforts to resolve it with the power company;
3) send it all to the FCC;
4) wait."
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by K1DA on February 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The Brits have a phrase for you too, Chippy, "Too clever by half".
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by K1DA on February 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
In fact, Chippy, and upon reflection, there are those SO convinced of their own superior intelligence that they roam such pages as
these looking for opportunities to demonstrate the full glory of it. In the military we called them "sharpshooters".
Often they use the well meaning attempts of amateurs to
help fellow amateurs as the venue to demonstrate their
self perceived superiority. We appreciate the well meaning efforts of those who try to help out, however imperfect their counsel might be. Their hearts are in the right place. As for sharpshooters, well, we don't appreciate them very much at all, Chippy.
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Chuck,

You can't accomplish anything by doing this personal dissing and sarcasm against me. If your intent is to hurt me in some way, then please appreciate that this just doesn't work. IMO, it is childish.

My intent is to engage you on the issue of interference protocol so we can all learn something.

There are no experts on the protocol for the simple reason that ALL LICENSED HAMS (a bit redundant) are obligated to be familiar with it.

When someone points it out, and you take the tact of describing that person as a "self appointed "expert"" then you must have the comment from me where I call myself an expert on said matter, and, of course, appoint myself. Otherwise, you have made a false statement.

Is that important? IMO it is.

73,
Chip W1YW
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"As for sharpshooters, well, we don't appreciate them very much at all, Chippy."--K1DA


--------------------------------------

Chuck,

My interest in ham radio is not to be 'liked' (although that might be mildly preferable). It is to have impact.

I continue to get great satisfaction out of that-- and yes, I do think I have made Part 97 a better place.

It is inconsequential to me, personally, whether you like me or not Chuck. It is your privilege to not like me if you wish.

Hope that makes you feel better on the issue; you brought it up.

73,
Chip W1YW
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"As for sharpshooters, well, we don't appreciate them very much at all, Chippy."--K1DA

-------------------
Who, exactly, is "we"?

73,
Chip W1YW
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by K1DA on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The feeling is, I assure you, mutual. BTW I have had ONE (1) callsign in thirty years, why have you had half a dozen?
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by K1DA on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
And "we" consists of, at least, yours truly and the guy you called "stupid" right here on this thread. Chipster.
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Hey 'Kiddah'---

What evidence do you have, that I have had 6 callsigns in thirty years?

I categoriclly deny this false and misleading statement.
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

Hey 'Kiddah'--

I categorically deny that I called ANYONE stupid on this thread. Demonstrate this and defend you allegation.

Do you not know the difference between an ACTION and a PERSON?

If I thought the person was stupid I would have said so. I do not and did not.

73,
Chip W1YW
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The feeling is, I assure you, mutual. BTW I have had ONE (1) callsign in thirty years, why have you had half a dozen?--K1DA

----------------------------

I haven't.

WN1HBX...horrible on CW, not an acceptable phone callsign either. Let it expire and immediately passed general to get...
WA1JHQ--a bit better but still too long, when vanity gate opened I got...
N1IR--wow! Two letters! Great on CW and phone..held IN EXCESS of ---30 YEARS--and then went to an 'ol timey' call to celebrate my 40th year in ham radio as...
W1YW.

From today, I have held 2 calsigns over 30 years. I have NEVER held a "half dozen" callsigns.

AA1JHQ was the bicentennial version of WA1JHQ; the FCC allowed these special versions, without need of request or special license, in 1976.

I suspect N1IR will be avalable sometime. Why don't you apply for it?

I hope that helps. You should have some concerns, IMO, about the falsity of some of your statements.

73,
Chip W1YW
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by K1DA on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Better get someone to read you your previous posts
Chippy, I see the words "is stupid" very clearly. Of course maybe you can bull---- your way out of it. BTW K and W calls of choice were issued long before the "Nilly ones" You just wear out your welcome
and need to reinvent yourself. Trouble is, lipstick just doesn't work on a pig.
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'm sorry Chuck;

Your latest comments do not, IMO, make any sense. However, I do invite you to present each one separately and have us discuss each.

Am I to understand that you just called me a pig?

Please explain.

73,
Chip W1YW
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Chuck,

Reinvention is the essence of the American spirit and I take your comment as high compliment.

I do take great joy in adding onto the layers of who I am through reinvention, while savoring and celebrating all who I am, then and now.

It is a very fulfilling life!

73,
Chip W1YW
 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by AD5TD on February 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Now is just about the time my Dad would have reached into the back seat and swatted both of you saying, "You two kids just stop it, don't make me pull over!".


So shut up. That's enough.
 
Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by W1YW on February 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
IMO, there is something deeply wrong with someone's behavior, when they take NORMAL situations and NORMAL responses, and falsely portray them, then publicly project them as perverse, an act of evasion, denial of who they are, and so on.

I still think going to the press is a stupid act.

Got that KIDDAH? NOT A STUPID PERSON. Capiche?

SK

 
RE: Amateur Radio Interference Causes Headache:  
by KB2VXA on February 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
OK, back on track you squabblers. In my experience PECO, PSE&G, LIPA and Con Edison must be the worst service providers in the SEPA/NJ/NYC area, Connectiv the best and JCP&L somewhere in the middle. So much for the ratings game.

Oh, Oxford PA is the home of Sesame Place so what does that tell you? (;->)

Praise goes to the engineer and his truck where Connectiv is concerned, he knows his stuff and the truck so well equipped the receivers alone would make you drool. A few years ago he located several problem spots that were fixed within days and even two in home noise sources, those dreaded touch control lamps. His follow up showed me that Conneciv cares, all but one problem solved on the spot, that one took a bit more doing.

Once the proper frequency was found CW came to the rescue, when the house lit up like Frankenstein's lab the lamps were unplugged. Igor! Raise the antenna kites, my sked approaches. It's alive, (the radio) hahahahaaa, it's ALIVE!
 
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