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Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?

Fred E. Campbell (W5FAE) on March 16, 2007
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Have We Lost the “Essence” of Ham Radio?

When I first became interested in radio as a hobby, solid state devices were just coming into use. My Dad, who was a telephone repairman, started schooling me, from the tender age of five years old, in the electronic communication art. He would bring home germanium diodes and teach me how to hook it up through a coil wound of 22ga magnet wire, on a discarded toilet paper roll and using an old set of high impedance crystal headphones. I used an alligator clip to connect this “homebrew” receiver to a nearby radiator. This was 1955. The hook was baited but my Dad introduced me to a neighbor, who lived up the street, who set the hook!

George was an old man, about 75 years old when I met him. He had strange wires strung outside his home and had a wall full of equipment that threw off an eerie glow and lots of heat. He was a “Ham”. He would sit down with me as we listened to many far off countries and distant shortwave stations and tell me where it was. He would often admonish me to not touch this chassis or that wire because it had high voltage or RF. I considered George to be somewhat “strange” yet he was always eager to explain a piece of equipment or a reason for doing a certain action. If ever there was an “Elmer”, George was it. He instilled in me a certain frugalness and inspired me to try various components and techniques when building electronic equipment. The first radio I ever built by myself was on an old wooden cigar box chassis with brass screws as connecting points for point to point wiring. The circuit was a one transistor receiver with a diode detector, a 365pf(mmf) salvaged variable capacitor, and a toilet paper roil coil. It worked magnificently! I took it to George and he was elated. It was not until many years later that I discovered just what a man George was. He graduated from MIT in 1910 as a physics major. He had a graduate degree in physics. He loved flying and was an instructor during WW1 for the boys going into the French Air Corps. He retired as a physics professor at MIT.

There are two important points that I hope will be garnered from this article. First, we all had someone who inspired us to get a ticket. A true “Elmer” did as George did, patiently guide our interest in the electronic art by example and encouragement and nourish our interest in communications. Second, we have lost the art of “homebrew”. We need to recover from the appliance operator aspect of our hobby. State of the art being what it is, it would be technologically difficult and financially impossible to design and build a radio such as a Kenwood TS-2000 or Icom IC-756 Pro. It would be like building a car from parts bought individually from the auto parts store. Simple kits can fulfill the need to homebrew and are available from several well known outlets and manufacturers. Let's not lose the “essence” of why we became hams and let's pass along our joy of the hobby to someone else as George did for me.

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Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KDUV7462 on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with you.

My "strange, but really cool radio Elmer" was a high school geometry and comp sci teacher, who also was a professor at the local university. We stayed friends off and on after high school and university.

i am just getting really started in the hobby, but I can see now i should have listened to him YEARS ago when he "knew" I would love it.

Unless a dad or an uncle is a HAM, you really have to luck out and make the acquaintance of one of these older "real hams" to pique your interests in radio and electronics, usually.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about the loss of homebrewing and the new generation of appliance operating. It is nice, and a certain convenience, to just spend some money and get something that works "right now". B-U-T.....

I get a certain thrill from "noodling around" and really enjoyed making my own 11 meter (*gasp*) vertical dipole out of a junked piece of coax. Throwing it up over the tree limb, and getting out a nice 4 watt signal. I felt a measure of pride when one of the guys said "hey! will you turn off that dang amp! THAT guy over across the river doesn't have anything but a piece of junked coax strung up in a tree for god's sake, and we can all hear him just fine. You're just down the street, you don't NEED the dang amp."

I wasn't satisfied until I got some old test equipment, and learned to align the old 11m radios properly for transmit, receive, and voltages. Wasn't happy until I satisfied myself I wasn't a "golden screwdriver" and could tackle my own 11M alignments and modifications I wanted.

Do I think i can crack open a malfunctioning ICOM and "have at it"?? No way, I know my limitations, for now.

Like I said, I'm just getting started i the HAM hobby, but definitely I wish more HOMEBREW went on these days. My "elmer" talks wistfully how he bought his Heathkit DX-60 and assembled it himself, and a Mohawk receiver (I have them both now, he's rather out of the hobby somewhat. That mohawk still works perfect if you let it warm up; the DX-60 works and tunes up fine, but I need to replace an aging capacitor in the PS filter section)

it still amazes me his decades old signal generator and audio generator still function fine; i use this old test equipment "salvaged" with a certain degree of frugal pride.

Man... if someone made something just like an old FT-101, in a "KIT" form... I'm pretty sure I'd buy it and put it together, knowing I could diagnose any ailment it cropped up with, because I had BUILT it.

I'm definitely going to tackle a few "relatively small" homebrew projects in the near future, if for no other reason than "because i can". Its starting to get to the point where people think you have to spend 10 grand on a whole LIST of equipment just to be in this hobby, and havea big tower. It just isn't so.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by NN4RH on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
So "George" had high-voltage on the chassis of something - and his solution to that serious problem was to tell people not to touch it?
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W2FBS on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
My elmer W1OHM, came to me through TVI. Our 21 MHZ IF television carried his audio nice and clearly. We met after finding his address and then at age 16 he hooked me!

We ended up close friends. If fact he was an usher at my wedding in 1962. Kes is gone now but i will never forget him or how i started in this hobby over 50 years ago.

By the way, one of our morning 75 meter group is building an Elecraft transceiver kit and enjoying it a lot. So, there are projects out there for us aging hams to help keep our soldering and de-bugging skills alive.

I plan on trying one of those soon.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KD6TVH on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I think the guys at Elecraft (and those who use their products) would disagree with part of your argument. With the exception of a few rigs, most appliance boxes are mediocre in the performance department, trading dB performance for questionable features.

As for our declining numbers, I place the blame squarely on the 60+ year-olds who comprise the majority of hams in the U.S. They did a poor job of passing down the hobby to their kids (my generation).
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W1YW on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There are more kits available now than then. So this claim seems especially foolish to me. Elecraft in particular. Ramsey. Ooodles more.

The old kits were really adequate to bad. And certainly overrated: witness the almost $3300(!!!) price tag for an SB-240--A HeathKIT-- that sold on e-bay a couple of days ago.

The internet-and all these kits--makes the body of knowledge available to anyone with a dream in their heart and the hard work to pull it off. No cigarette stained back home Elmer or corresponence course needed.

73,
Chip W1YW
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KX8N on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"So "George" had high-voltage on the chassis of something - and his solution to that serious problem was to tell people not to touch it? "


One way or another, he only had to tell you once.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by NI0C on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with others that there seems no basis for your claim about the lack of kits. Have you seen the advertisements and product reviews in QST for kits by Elecraft and others?

A fully loaded Elecraft K2 certainly qualifies as a "big rig," and their serial numbers are upwards of 6000 now.

You might want to look at the Elecraft Reflector Archives, and read the discussions going on there. Read some of the posts by N0SS, AC7AC, and W3FPR. If these doesn't qualify as "elmering," I don't know what else does.

73,

Chuck NI0C
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KI4TMM on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I don’t think the essence is lost just shifting. Though not hams look around in the computer wifi arena. Not to long ago a pair set a new record on transmitting 125mile on 2.4 GHz using the legal power of a wifi device. They designed and built the antenna and sw program to run it. For a long time wifi war drivers built there own 2.4 GHz antennas (many still do) and some even built there own tx/rx devices trying to improve connectivity via wifi 2.4 gigahertz. Most are made very inexpensively with ready at hand materials. Sound like some HAM folk.

Before I became a ham I also researched, designed and built a 15db gain yagi antenna which connected to a 200mw engenius wifi tx/rx device for my laptop on the boat. To say that it improve our ability to find more open networks and to improve the connectivity is an understatement. Take a look around the internet at some sites where people are doing this type of experimentation and you will see the essence.

Though I am not discussing the “moral” view of this activity it does represent a group that is part of the essence; to learn, design, build, and use the hardware for over the air communications combined with the latest technologies. It is what helped me become a ham (along with the value while cruising). Now the thing to do is to get that group interested in ham radio as they are part of the way there already.

Bil Thomas
KI4TMM
www.sv-makai.com
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by NI0C on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Here's the web address of the Elecraft Reflector Archives: http://www.ac6rm.net/mailarchive/html/elecraft-list/

You don't have to be a subscriber to read this material. I think you will be impressed at the quality of most of the discussions there.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N4QA on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
May I recommend that you all read:

Desiderata by Max Ehrmann.

You could use Google to find a copy.

You could also use Google, or any number of search engines to find groups of persons having common interests, such as amateur radio in general or, for example, QRP...a heavily-blessed special interest.

There's no lack of elmers, experimenters, kit manufacturers and so on.

Just turn off the TV once in a while and engage your God-given brain.

72.
Bill, N4QA
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KG8JF on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The "Essence" of ham radio is always shifting. From the early days the "Essence" was point-to-point communication. Then it shifted toward becoming more technically proficient in the art and science of radio. There was a point where the state of the art dictated "homebrewing" by the average ham license holder. As technology advanced, kits came into vogue as a lower cost method of building quality gear. Today, the hobby has advanced to a point where "purchase" is the only way into the high tech that is offered. This discussion is only part of the "essence" of ham radio. The "essence has many facets and is constantly shifting. The "essence" is different things for different people.

For me the "essence" is the fun of the hobby, meeting great folks and just a great ragchew with friends.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KG4RUL on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
While the many QRP operators build the simple, cw only kits, there is a significant number of computer savvy Hams who consider a "kit radio" to be a DSP and some C++ code. Not necessarily bad or good - just different in their approaches.

Dennis KG4RUL
Public Information Coordinator, ARRL SC Section
Information Officer, Berkeley County SC ARES
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W2RDD on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Everyone seems to make valid observations.

There are kits available from mediocre to great. The hobby has gone through and will continue to go through various phases. Difficult to reproduce one of those monster Yeasu/Icom/Kenwood super-duper rigs from scratch.

Dare I say "Boatanchors" are still available in various stages of disrepair just waiting for a little TLC.

Friendly communications between two or more amateurs has remained the one constant. Think we should keep that in mind when all is said and done.

73
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by NI0C on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"computer savvy Hams who consider a "kit radio" to be a DSP and some C++ code. Not necessarily bad or good - just different in their approaches."

Sounds very good to me, Dennis-- absolutely part of the "essence" of ham radio today!

73,
Chuck NI0C

 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N4OI on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
My experience building radios from Small Wonder Labs (DSW-II, Rockmite) and Elecraft (K1) has been great! Building and aligning these CW-only, QRP kits helped me re-develop electronic construction skills as well as revisit circuit theories that I have not used for many years. And the best is that these are "real radios" -- I have made many, many solid DX contacts using just battery power and lightweight dipoles or even random wire. If you haven't yet built one of these kits, I urge you to give it a try!

73 de Ken -- N4OI
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W5ESE on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I agree that there are many excellent kits available
today. Mostly, these are QRP-related.

Several have mentioned Elecraft, which is the "top
of the line". But there are many more modest kits
to "cut your teeth on and that can be very satisfying.

Some samples:

Rockmites, HiMites, SW+, Warbler (for PSK31)
http://smallwonderlabs.com/

Ten-Tec TKIT 1300 series
http://radio.tentec.com/kits/Transceiver

Wilderness Radio - Norcal 40, SST, Sierra
Rigs for backpacking
http://www.fix.net/~jparker/wild.html

Ten-Tec TKIT Receivers
http://radio.tentec.com/kits/Receiver (the TKIT 1056
is simple and very good)

MFJ Cub
http://www.mfjenterprises.com/products.php?prodid=MFJ-9340K

Norcal 2030 (sold out, but had better blocking and
IP3 dynamic range than the $13,000 Icom 7800)
http://www.norcalqrp.org/nc2030.htm

Oak Hills Research OHR100A, OHR500
http://www.ohr.com/

Doug Hendricks QRP Kits - tuners, xcvrs,
http://www.qrpkits.com/

KD1JV AT Sprint 3A - very unique product. No longer
available, but a successor probably will be. (I use
an ATS-3 on backpacking trips).
http://kd1jv.qrpradio.com/ats3a/ATS3A.HTM

Emtech - tuners, still a few rigs (boards only)
http://emtech.steadynet.com/

Kanga USA - kits by W7ZOI, KK7B, and others
http://www.kangaus.com/index.htm

Ramsey Kits
http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/hk/default.asp?page=ar

American QRP Club - keyers, vfo, sdr receiver
http://www.amqrp.org/kits/kits.html

Dan's Small Parts and Kits - Little Joe Xmtr, Traveller Receiver, Neophyte Receiver, Antenna Tuner, parts
http://www.danssmallpartsandkits.net/

QRPME - Tuna Tin 2, Sudden Receiver
http://www.qrpme.com/

QRP Project - several qrp kits from germany
http://www.qrpproject.de/UK/indexuk.html

Looks to me like kit building is alive and well!
73
Scott
W5ESE
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Good article, and it says something I was saying in a different thread. Ham in general are NOT technical anymore. I am not saying this is a bad thing, I am just stating a fact. Over the past 10-15years, its gotten a lot less technical and probably will continue that same trend untill all of the original OT'S have long become SK's.

Again, not saying its a bad thing, just different from the way it was. When I started and many of you, Ham Radio WAS the HI-TECH hobby. The kids today have cellphones and the internet, they live in virtual worlds and talk to virtual people. Its just the way it is...

73 de W4LGH Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N9DG on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
No we haven't.

In fact it is as alive and well today as ever. Those who can't find it simply aren't looking in the right places. Just need to realize that the crystal radio kits and projects like them of yesteryear have been replaced with QSD's, sound cards, and PC's.

And shoot you can still even burn your fingers just like yesteryear by soldering together the <$20 SoftRock QSD board kit. Although I do think that the trend is moving more and more toward a board level building process rather component level project building. But there's nothing wrong with that.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The first part of this is a re-post, as I am at work and didn't finish.....

Good article, and it says something I was saying in a different thread. Ham in general are NOT technical anymore. I am not saying this is a bad thing, I am just stating a fact. Over the past 10-15years, its gotten a lot less technical and probably will continue that same trend untill all of the original OT'S have long become SK's.

Again, not saying its a bad thing, just different from the way it was. When I started and many of you, Ham Radio WAS the HI-TECH hobby. The kids today have cellphones and the internet, they live in virtual worlds and talk to virtual people. Its just the way it is...

Many hams of the 50's & 60's cut their teeth on HeathKit. Wow what a great concept that came and went.
However there are many great Heathkits still out there almost for the asking. They can be repaired very easy, modified, and operated with great success.
The best bang for the buck out there is still the Heathkit SB-200 amp, a super workhorse with all the power you'll ever need. Many upgrades out there for them. I also think this is one of the reasons the vintage craze is going so strong... Not only does it bring back memories but you can work on it, modify it, and learn from it. There are many QRP kits out there too, but no one but Elcraft is doing anything with power, and their pricing puts them out of line.

If you really want to capture the essance of it, find yourself an old vintage radio, a diagram, and go to work on it, get it running and make your first contact on it...see if you don't get this really neat feeling, and sence of pride. But be warned...you will get hooked!!


73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
SPG VINTAGE NET Sunday's @ 2000UTC 14.289Mhc

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K0BG on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'd like to know the percentage of amateurs who actually built their Elecraft K2 as compared to those who had it built for them. I don't know, but I'd almost be willing to bet it is in favor of someone else doing the building. Home brew indeed!

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N5LX on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah and in WWII my dad flew P-41 Mustangs that had seven gauges and was controlled by wire...


Today I fly 747 Cargo ships for a major air shipper that has 120+ gauges and flies by electronic sensors and 7 on board computers...


but using your "Things-were-better-in-the-old-days" analogy -- the way my Dad did it was better becuase it didn't have allot of bells and whistles (like today's ham appliances)


wait -- the more i think about it -- maybe the technology of 80 years ago was better -- LOL


But just becuause i fly a ship that has more computer power then NASA did when it went to the moon does not make it bad... nor does a ham who uses new equipment with built in features, filters, and benefits.


I bet you if you gave "George" the choice of using that old "heater" that he had that had bad RF grounding or my new ICOM -- he would take the ICOM in a heartbeat...


 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1MQR on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
No Just some of us older HAMs have not kept up. While the physics of electronics has not changed, the components and level of integration has changed a great deal. We are now widely using multipe processors and DSPs in both radios and support equipment like antenna tuners and anlyizers. To modify or tune our new trancievers we either have bore down the the long menues and settings, understand what they mean and make our changes. To go further we would have to code our own software to supplement or replace what is there. How many of us have made the effort to understand our radios at these levels?? This would amout to "hot rodding" you Pro III
I have not. Now fully software defined radios are possible because all or almost all aspects of HF radio is slow enough to be addressed by todays mirco processors or DSPs. With the right set of computer chips, the right algorithms and the skill to write the software we can invent, design and build our own radios. The Kids who know how to write "video game code" can just as easy do S/W radios. The same or simular chips. Same or similar s/w tools.
How many of us would know how to change the spark timing in our cars to day?? Same issue.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W9OY on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I build and run a ham radio station. A radio station is much more than a transceiver or a transmitter/receiver. The interesting thing for me is the system design. That includes everything from the key/mic to the antenna and every thing in between.

As you design a system there are a million possibilities, a million choices, a million ways to get from point A to point B, and a whole lifetime to ponder how to do it better, more creatively etc. This is one aspect of the essence of ham radio, and its there for anyone to share.

Another aspect of ham radio that is just taking off is the aspect of SDR. This promises to get us far back into the creative process of actually building things that are not predetermined by some engineering team at one of the big three. If you don't believe this check out

http://hpsdr.org/archives.html

and see what is being done. The essence is not lost, in fact it is just dawning. I've had more fun in ham radio in the past 5 years playing around with this SDR stuff than in the past 45 when I was building my little tube rigs and active antenna tuners. If you're bored with ham radio it's just because you've become boring, not because ham radio has lost its essence.

There is another aspect of the hobby which is also essential beyond the hardware, software, propagation and contacts. It includes the fellowship with other hams, and sharing the experience. I have ham friends that extend all across the world and have extended all across my lifetime. I talk to men almost daily that I have known for 45 years. I started at age ten and I have grown up with them, shared their lives, met their families, swapped lies, swapped hardware, lived through divorces and job changes, and stood with them as they headed into the nursing home and on to the the inevitable. I have accepted their counsel and given a little in return. I treasure all that far more than whether or not my radio is bought or built.

It's all what you make of it. If you don't put much in you don't get much back. If all your going to do is buy some crappy transceiver, plug in some crappy antenna and push the button and then complain cause you never bothered to learn how to solder on the coax connector, that will be the extent of your experience. There's a million things to experience in Ham Radio. It's a couple hundred hobbies all rolled up into one and time is wastin'. A lifetime is not enough time to experience all the wonder.

73 W9OY

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WW5AA on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
And I remember when I built the HW101 and was told by the in crowed that "real hams" homebrew from scratch! (:O)

73, de Lindy



 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB2FCV on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I don't think we really have lost the 'Essence'. I think Elecraft revived kit building to a large degree. The products they offer out perform many of the radios that the big three put out today. There are plenty of other companies putting quality kits out there. I've built kits from Small Wonder labs, Ten Tec and a few others. I even have some SDR kits on the bench waiting to be built. While kit building or home-brewing might not be for everyone, it's still pretty popular aspect of the hobby.

I kind of separate Kit Building and Home-Brewing. I think Kit building is definitely the larger of the two because it's less of a 'process' to get something working. With home-brewing, you have to find all the parts, figure out how to lay them out, possibly create your own boards, etc. It's kind of like making sauce or something else from 'scratch'. I enjoy Home Brewing as well.. as hunting for parts is part of the fun. Most of my home-brew stuff is hollow state and resides on a varnished board.

I think kit building and home-brewing will stick around for a long time to come.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KG6WLS on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I did quite a bit of kits when I was pre-teens. Radio Shack / Archer, Globe Patrol SWL receiver, and homebrew receivers, etc. At that time I was not a ham, NOR did I have any desire for CB.

At the age of 43 now and a ham, I'm finding that my eyes are not what they used to be. Glasses are needed now to read (arms are getting too short) the color codes on the 1/4 watt resistors, capcitor markings, and placement on the project boards. Built SWL Ten Tec (1253 & 1254) and Ramsey kits, including more homebrew stuff. Enjoyable evenings with a pencil iron. Also, I have Realistic table top receivers (DX-160, 302, & 394) that I've tuned up and tweaked with mods, including the matching Allied AX & SX 190 rigs. Love SWLing

When time allows, I'll order up an Elecraft K2 before my eyes get completley out of focus. Looking forward to it (pardon the pun). Kit / homebrew building is fun!!

73 de KG6WLS
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I remember when my Elmer bought the complete Collins S-Line Station, and I mean COMPLETE. No one wanted to talk to him either. They said he didn't build it. Actually it was probably more jealousy than anything else. After a short period of time he was back in everyones good graces. But the Japs changed all that years ago!

Always wondered who got that S-line when he became a SK....

de W4LGH - Alan - 73
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W7AIT on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Recently, I've been asked to help new tech's: operate 10, setup and build simple antennas, teach PSK, other modes of radio, etc.

What I've found is:

There are distinct groups of people
1. Some are highly motivated and are naturally inclined with science / technical, they are motivated and curious to learn / experiment with ham radio; I am a lot like that (a 44 year ham and a career electronics engineer)
2. Some are VHF "Button Pushers" and have no clue how to even tune in a HF SSB signal -they don't understand or can’t operate their radios (either the radio is too complicated OR they haven't taken time to read the manual – insert “don’t want to read” here too) AND they get frustrated if they can’t get a SSB signal to sound like FM repeater, stereo hi fi quality (eeeeu there’ some static in my radio, the signal is weak and fading, what’s wrong with my radio!!!!!!!!! ugh…)
3. Some very good at “taking tests’ but are not naturally inclined with science / engineering – these folks are the one with the extra license but cannot operate their radio’s
4. Some are always “getting around to taking” the ham test but never do it. These are the procrastinators and people who are afraid of testing (me and my upgrade to extra for example)

These types of people are all human nature. We cannot make life long hams out of all of these folks. We should not expect to force ham radio down 100% of the population because frankly guys, most aren’t interested OR fall in the groups outline above.

Get real about who and how many hams that will be in the hobby.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB5DPE on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"The kids today have cellphones and the internet, they live in virtual worlds and talk to virtual people..."

And, in my opinion, that is one of the major contributors to the dismal state this world is in. It's time that people get back to the reality of being a HUMAN BEING and not a machine wanna-be. As to the "essence" of ham radio, whatever that is today, it's not something that interests me any longer. I still enjoy electronics, but not ham radio.
Tom
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by NA4IT on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
One of the most simple projects to do is a sound card to radio interface. There are many schematic out there you can download in a few seconds even on dial up. All you have to remember are a couple of facts:

If going from sound card to radio, you need a 100:1 resistor bridge to drop the audio level, most schematics I have seen have this on them, but, it goes on the computer side of the transformer!

Also, if getting RX audio from the speaker jack of the rig, you need a 8:1000 transfomer (8 ohm to 1000 ohm). If getting audio from a low level accessory or data jack, you need a 1:1 transformer.

Get some solder smoke going and build something. Over the last couple of years, I have built 2 70CM repeaters from old Motorola UHF units, no telling how many sound card interfaces, a headset for my Icom 706, a paddle key, repaired several radios and some vintage test gear (that I use today!)...hey, it's what makes amateur radio FUN!

NA4IT
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N6KYS on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N5LX wrote..."Today I fly 747 Cargo ships for a major air shipper that has 120+ gauges and flies by electronic sensors and 7 on board computers..."

Seven onboard computers and 120+ gauges...geez, what model do you fly? BTW, "N5LX" doesn't show up in the QRZ.com directory.

Brad
N6KYS

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by NN2X on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I agree..!

And this article dances around some other points..!

I said the following in prior posts, that if Amateur Radio did not give me the inspiration to build, and make me comprehend the material to pass the exams I know that my professional skill today would not be competitive in the highly international world market. On a daily basis I compete against world class technical professionals, which come from every corner of the globe.

Because of Amateur Radio I have a deep foundation of the basic RF theory, which was cultivated during those tender years of trying to pass those exams, and build radios. And those exams, you actually had to comprehend the material, no memorization.

Today I source funding and create International Telecom companies, which led me to live in 63 countries over the last 30 years.

Most of the credit comes from those high standards of Amateur Radio of yesterday years.

I would like to thank my Elmer, K2JFJ, Jack, who held a BSEE degree and worked in R&D for magnetism.

I know I always get flack when I say these things, but I can only speak from my own experience.
 
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by KB5DPE on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"BTW, "N5LX" doesn't show up in the QRZ.com directory."

John Jacobs, Tulsa, Oklahoma, cancelled 9/2006, FCC database

 
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by KB5DPE on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I bet you if you gave "George" the choice of using that old "heater" that he had that had bad RF grounding or my new ICOM -- he would take the ICOM in a heartbeat"

Uh, NO! Speaking for myself, if I want an appliance, I've got a microwave.
 
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by WA8EBM on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I believe N5LX is a SK but I also think it is a valid aircraft tail number!
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N3EVL on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W9OY said: "...Another aspect of ham radio that is just taking off is the aspect of SDR. This promises to get us far back into the creative process of actually building things that are not predetermined by some engineering team at one of the big three. If you don't believe this check out

http://hpsdr.org/archives.html

and see what is being done. The essence is not lost, in fact it is just dawning. I've had more fun in ham radio in the past 5 years playing around with this SDR stuff than in the past 45 when I was building my little tube rigs and active antenna tuners. If you're bored with ham radio it's just because you've become boring, not because ham radio has lost its essence..."

I couldn't agree more! Time and again I see comments on the HPSDR (and related Flex-Radio) reflectors about the excitement this has brought (back) to the hobby for many involved. I continue to be amazed at the level of complexity that is going in to this project and the skills being put on display by fellow hams - this is ham radio at it's best! Someone commented earlier that this is no longer a technical hobby - well, there's certainly no lack of technical content in SDR in general and HPSDR specifically in both harware & software. Check it out and be amazed.

73, Pete, N3EVL
 
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by KF4HR on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Perhaps a solid definition of ham radio "Essence", as it relates to amateur radio, should have been clearly spelled out at the begining of this thread. But it seems the author is relating the word "Essence" to past generations of amateurs handing down a deeper level of knowledge to the younger or newer folk, and he feels that level of effort is no longer taking place. Fair enough, but I think there's much more to it than that.

I had several "Elmers" help me along the way too, and I certainly appreciated that help. Around that period (1967) I was building my very first CW transmitter so electronic tube theory, which was being taught at our radio club, came in really handy for my transmitter project! Building your own gear, adjusting it, and using it properly was a very big deal back then. And since some hams were building their own gear, it was a bit easier back then to do something wrong and be in violation of the FCC regs. Obviously written amateur exams were geared towards tube theory and other related electronic theory subjects of the day, and rightfully so.

Today things are different. Now-a-days you "buy" your nice new rig, open the manual and read how to properly adjust your speech compressor and other functions on your equipment, and it's fairly easy to stay within the FCC regulations. Obviously my early experiences were different then they are today, but they were geared for "my" learning times. Be that as it may, I wouldn't classify my experiences as the "Essence" of the hobby - it was just the way it was back then.

If we could ask an amateur back in 1919 what his idea of ham radio "Essence" might be, he might reply, "To be fully knowledglable in construction processes of building a PERFECT 200 meter tank circuit." (I believe 200 meters was an amateur band, back in the early days of the hobby.) OMG! Just think what this old-timer would have thought about a young amateur buying a store bought Hallicrafter's transmitter!!!

Amateur's around the turn of the century and through the decades probably have a different idea of what "their" Essence of the hobby is. Why? Because a lot of people tend to relate their learning experiences as "Essence" of the hobby; be it building their first piece of gear back in 1940, or now-a-days studying the specs and catalogs then making their equipment selection, then heading out to their local Candy Store to buy their first 2 meter FM transceiver.

That later situation seems CB'ish to some of the older hams, but let's think about this a minute. If pieces of off-the-shelf communications equipment were available back around the turn of the century, would those old-timers still have built their equipment? Let's face it, probably not nearly as many would have. It has always been the nature of most people to take the easier road; (ride horse's rather than walk, cars rather than horses, etc). Old timers built their gear mainly because there was no other alternative - hence learning electronic theory was essential to getting on the air! But as time went on, companies saw the need for manufacturered gear, and more and more ham's started buying their equipment. Things "changed." None of this is necessarily bad, just different. And we all changed along with this process. No? Ok, show of hands... How many of us have a totally homebrew shacks? Hummmm, one. Uh... two. How about the majority of us? Oh... ICOM, YAESU, KENWOOD, ORION, etc. Gotcha. The reasons are obvious and numerous.

Over my 40+ years as a ham I've built several items for my shack; both homebrew and kits. I'd recommend the building experience to anyone that has the interest. You will certainly learn a lot. But at the same time, at least in my opinion, you're certainly not killing the Essence of the hobby if you don't. This hobby has room for the everyone.

But even for those that don't dig deeper into the hobby, at least immediately, may happen sooner or later anyway. Why? Because for any new amateur that dares to venture outside "FM Repeater Operation" and becomes interested in the world of satellites, digital communications, meteor scatter, DX'ing, EME, ATV, SSTV, or other aspects if the hobby... WILL be forced to learn new things. Perhaps they won't be learning tube theory (although they might!), but just like the amateurs back in 1910, they'll be gaining the knowledge necessary to meet their current communications needs.

But how deep should we dive into knowing electronic theory? Should every amateur know how to design an oscillator circuit and be able to mathematically compute the value of each component within the circuit? And would the amateur community be better off (overall) if all amateur's could? Should all amateur's be licensed engineers?

I feel if you're going to be a licensed amateur knowing electronics basics is a good thing, but not everyone needs indepth electronic theory. It's nice information to know I suppose, but do we all know exactly how our microprocessors work in our vehicles? No, very few of us do. We just turn the key and drive. If we WANT to learn exactly how our car works, I suppose we could buy a service manual and study, or maybe get signed up for a technical course somewhere, but how many of us do that? Granted, owning a car may not (or may!) be a "hobby", but the analogy is still the same.

So why do some feel the Essence of this hobby may be lost? I think it has a lot to do with people fighting "change." Think about it. There's a lot of people that hate change! It removes people from their "comfort zone", and man that can't be good! :^((

Around the turn of the century Spark Gap communicators were the REAL AMATEURS (or so they said at the time) - and some old timers claimed "modern modulated CW" was for the weak minded. Just think about what Elmer's passed on to their newbees back then! No kits! These ham's were really building from almost scratch! Wow, all sorts of great stuff being handed down by Elmer's! (For their time.)

As technology ventured forward, more things "changed" and arguments followed... CW versus AM, AM versus SSB, and now (for a few modern dim-witted amateurs out there that enjoy throwing carriers on top of HF Digital Nets), there's the SSB versus Digital Voice issues. And God forbid, let's not forget Code versus No-Code licensing issue! That can't be good for the hobby! Ah... that dirty word... CHANGE!

Like it or not the hobby IS changing folks. For better or worst, it's a matter of your perspective. But I think the Essence of the hobby is still alive and well - and for one very good reason. As fun as the hobby still is to most of us (Contesting, DX'ing, FM, whatever), to me the "real Essence" boils down to one thing, and that is, amateurs provide this great country of ours with an emergency communications service, if and when that service might be needed. That's the real "Essence" of why amateur's are here in the first place.

73,

KF4HR

P.S. And for you that think the no-code licensee's are worthless - and that they will ruin amateur radio; my hat is off to several "no-coder's" that recently became my "Elmer's" and took the time to teach me how to program my D-Star radio's to communicate through state-to-state gateway connections. Whoa! Wait a minute! A no-code tech teaching a 40+ year CW-wheeling veteran, 55 year old Extra class amateur that knows tube theory, something? GOD forbid!!!
It's time to think differently folks. Change isn't necessarily bad.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N6KYS on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"BTW, "N5LX" doesn't show up in the QRZ.com directory."

John Jacobs, Tulsa, Oklahoma, cancelled 9/2006, FCC database"

No John Jacobs in Tulsa Oklahoma with a pilot's license, either. This guy's a fraud.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K0FF on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Kits today tend to go from super simple ( Ramsey) to super-complex ( Elcraft). Not much in the middle. I've been trying for years to have MFJ release the single band 12W SSB rigs as a kit. Something more advanced than the DC receivers, but not as overwhelming as a band-switched top of the line rig.

By the way, transverter kits have been around for a while too, and although the have good specs on paper, they rely on an uncompensated crystal, providing considerable frequency drift in TX mode as compared to RX mode. I can tell a Ten-Tec by listening and having to track it as it walks on TX.

Geo>K0FF
 
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by WA1RNE on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!


I'm all for homebrewing or building kits. But the one of the realities is that ham radio has evolved with technology which is generally a good thing.

Unfortunately when it comes to kits, there's not nearly the choices available today as there was 30 years ago. Back then there was Heathkit, Johnson, Eico, Ameco to name several, which combined provided hams with hundreds of good quality kits to chose from.

Today, the only decent 100 watt HF rig in kit form is the Elecraft K2 and their transverter kits. Most of the other kits are QRP rigs, many of which are good cheap learning experiences but not very useful in terms of performance. (How long will it take to get tired of the limitations of a direct conversion receiver?....not long)

What I believe hams need is a little better guidance on what projects make the most sense to consider as "homebrew" projects or what to build in kit form.

Some good examples of great homebrew projects include antennas, antenna tuners, digital interfaces and accessories - again with the Elecraft K2 being the best and most complex. BTW, antenna tuners do not have to be automated. Actually, one of the reasons many new hams get into trouble on HF is because they are trying to tune a single antenna with various feedline and balun combinations - many of which most unbalanced autotuners just can't handle. A good quality Link Coupled Balanced tuner is more appropriate as it provides the desired wide impedance matching capabilities and is eliminates the 4:1 "Magic Balun" often used on the output which is generally a misapplication of the device.

....WA1RNE
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WA1RNE on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!



.....Forgot one, add the Tentec model 1254 Shortwave Receiver to the kit list. At $195, it appears to be a good value for a dual conversion receiver, I'm just not sure how many hams are going to lay down $195 for a separate SW receiver.


As the author pointed out, we tend to be a "frugal" bunch....


....WA1RNE
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N6KYS on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Kits today tend to go from super simple ( Ramsey) to super-complex ( Elcraft). Not much in the middle. I've been trying for years to have MFJ release the single band 12W SSB rigs as a kit. Something more advanced than the DC receivers, but not as overwhelming as a band-switched top of the line rig.

By the way, transverter kits have been around for a while too, and although the have good specs on paper, they rely on an uncompensated crystal, providing considerable frequency drift in TX mode as compared to RX mode. I can tell a Ten-Tec by listening and having to track it as it walks on TX.

Geo>K0FF"

Excellent points! I think there would be a market for these items. If you think about it....you can get an Icom 718 with DSP for less than a full up Elecraft, but the kits are selling quite well, so this is something that people do want.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N0XMZ on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
You really don't even need a kit. I've never bought one. A schematic and board trace diagram (if avail.) are all that's needed (and sometimes it costs a lot less). Round up the parts and build it. It's my favorite aspect of the hobby.

Another thing: just because it's homebrew doesn't mean it has to be QRP CW although this seems to be pretty common.
 
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by W4LGH on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Brad N6KYS wrote ~"BTW, "N5LX" doesn't show up in the QRZ.com directory."


Thats probably because this is what it says in the FCC database....

N5LX JACOBS JR, JOHN HV Canceled 02/12/2007

So I guess we got us a BOOTLEGGER!!


 
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by W4LGH on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N5LX is a VALID tail number on a Glider...not a 747, and is registered to:

ANDERSEN PETER W
Street 40 ORCHARD WAY
NOVATO CALIFORNIA 94947-3008
County MARIN
Country UNITED STATES

Information is such a powerful thing!


 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W5ESE on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
> Kits today tend to go from super simple (Ramsey)
> to super-complex ( Elcraft). Not much in the middle.

You MUST be kidding.

Most QRP transceiver kits have been single
conversion superhets since at least 1990.

There is a huge number of kits in between.

The Small Wonder Labs SW+, Norcal 40A, OHR100A,
Emtech NW40, MFJ 9300 "Cub" series, Wilderness
Radio SST.

> I've been trying for years to have MFJ release
> the single band 12W SSB rigs as a kit. Something
> more advanced than the DC receivers, but not as
> overwhelming as a band-switched top of the line
> rig.

How about KD1JV's MMR-40? It's a single conversion
superheterodyne, SSB and CW, 5 watts, and quite
reasonable for $105.

Only slurps down 30 mA when receiving, so unlike
the FT817/IC703, you could run one off a battery
for a long time.

It's available at:

http://qrpkits.com/mmr40.html

> Most of the other kits are QRP rigs, many of which
> are good cheap learning experiences but not very
> useful in terms of performance. (How long will it
> take to get tired of the limitations of a direct
> conversion receiver?....not long)

Again, most QRP kits have been superhets for the
last 15 years.

Then again, what if the direct conversion transceiver
had single signal reception and better blocking and
imd dynamic range than the $13000 icom 7800? Such a
rig is the norcal 2030; a $150 kit.

http://www.norcalqrp.org/nc2030.htm

73
Scott
W5ESE
 
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by W4LGH on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There is NEVER a LACK of something to build for your shack! Even if MFJ tries to do it all. Many projects can be done. One I wanted and had to build myself, I wanted to take the audio from my B1 Behringer Mic and run it to several radios. I also wanted to use only one foot switch to key these radios, and I also wanted to be able to key several different amps with the different radios. Last but not least, I wanted to be able to switch antennas between these radios and amps, and I wanted it all isolated!! Lot of switching going on here! Out with the paper, some design work, a bunch of rca phono jacks, several 12vdc relays, assortment of switches, and one project box. Everything is switched thru relays, so everything is isolated from each other. Have several other projects like this on the books and when the mood strikes...will "Git'er Done".

Just look around your shack...you can find something to build very easily.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
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by KC8VWM on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

Home brewing could be as simple as making your own On Air light for the shack to building a complex DSP capable digital transceiver.

However I sometimes prefer to build much smaller projects because it takes less time to build and I actually get to finish the project in the same evening.

Kits are nicely prepackaged and everything but you really don't need one to start home brewing your own gear.

Sometimes "scrounging" and improvising the parts for the project is part of the fun. For example, building simple things like CW keys made from kitchen utensils.

Many people say that you can't work on newer rice boxes but home brewing your own isn't necessarily always about the radio equipment itself. Sometimes home brewing is about the other peripherals like power supplies, switch boxes, external amplifiers (both Audio and RF), antenna's etc. So look around the shack and see what you can improve and make work better by home brewing it yourself. Amazingly the smaller one evening type of projects seem to give you more satisfaction than the more large drawn out ones.

Have fun & 73

Charles - KC8VWM
 
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by RADIOGUYR2 on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
nice story!!!

today homebrewing runs up against two things you did not mention. first is parts aviability and second is the money.

The powers to be in the lands overseas have worked very hard to provide you with everything you desire. In the process they have killed your industry so that you are dependent on what they have to offer

Was it them or us.

It really was not them... they only saw the market and moved in to make a buck...No it was really us. We in our greed moved to buy the products that they made. In doing so we forced the companies such as EF johnson and others out of business due to lack of sales. We basically voted with our dollars going to who we wanted back then and now. Once the competition was gone the others could raise their prices to what ever they wanted as our industry was gone. Not only the industry but also the ability to produce with a knowlegable work force.

The Japaneese had a little song they taught to their kids... it went something like this... we are the little people... we are to serve the master.. we make his cloths.. we make his table... we make his tools... the master likes us... and pays us well... and soon we little people become the masters as he needs us to live. we then one day will become the masters of the masters....

something like that... make sence ? Did it happen?? is it still going on in other areas??

if they could they would outlaw anyone who tries to make anything in the garage as we did days of old. The EPA and others have done just that. They are the dovermans of the strong arm who will come for you if you threaten the opposition or think outside the box. Look at the global warming mess right now. If you don't think your being manuliplated again.... someone once said... its all about the bucks and jobs that these people create. And to think you go along with it... why arn't you part of the popular movement? You can't stop it unless you are against the law... they made laws to keep you think along the lines they want. And a good social memeber won't ever question a law.. now would you??

As to mentors. How many hams today learned about radio in JR or High school. Stations were set up and running... teachers taught and intersted students stay'ed after school and learned in school clubs. Not any more. It became a issue of the money and who is going to make it instead of what their is and who is going to enjoy it.. or promote it so that young minds can expand out side the box again...

Yet schools set empty on weekends.... ham clubs have to pay for their places of meetings... schools are not allowed to hold any extra activites for students or others to enjoy and make use of the facilities. The same society that you hams are saying you want to help are working against you in restricting and not allowing the radio works. Instead they want to promote social programs... not radio programs or something educational that has use.

These are the real problmes... you want to promote ham radio and the physics behind it... you need to address these issues as the tax payer and society member first.

We all know that will never happen... again it is the outside forces that don't want you to have that enterpriseing spark anymore... just conform

Sounds almost like the rise of the thrid riche huh...

surprise...
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W9WHE-II on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Do you really think "appliance operators" can build equipment? Think they would, even if they could?
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by G0GQK on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Oh dear, is it that time of the month again ! Either ham radio is dead, or its dying, and one of the correspondents stated that if you are over 60 years of age its your fault !

You were sitting on ya' backside watching TV or guzzling beer instead of rounding up all the local youths and telling them how the greatest experience of their lives would be missed, for ever, if they didn't learn ham radio and "do" Morse code at 30 wpm.

G0GQK
 
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by KB5DPE on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"You were sitting on ya' backside watching TV or guzzling beer"

Darn good idea, don't mind if I do. Just saw a piece on Guiness on the internet. Looked pretty good to me!
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N8LP on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I, like many other recently retired hams, am having a ball designing and producing a number of kit products. The availability of free or inexpensive schematic and PCB layout programs, free SPICE modeling programs, internet based PCB fabrication houses, etc., make this possible now.

There are a number of recently offered kits which are not only comparable to commercial gear, but better, and at a better price point. For examples, look at the N2PK VNA, Z-90 Panadapter from Clifton Labs and my LP-100 Digital Vector wattmeter. Not to mention offerings like the ATS-3a from KD1JV and the NorCal 2030 from Dan Tayloe.

I think ham radio is as vibrant as ever now, with more exciting kit products than have ever been offered before... even in the heyday of Heathkit.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by NORTHCOUNTRY on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W1FB Doug Demaw said the better part of ham radio is the the ham radio homebrew shop.

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W3FPR on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I can't say what the percentage of Elecraft kits are built by their owners themselves, but I can state that is a large percentage - and my guess is greater than 90%.

I do build Elecraft kits for others, and there are a few hams offering a similar service, check the Elecraft list of "Builders for hire" - I have built 40 or 50 K2 kits, and the ham who has built the most has built only 155 of them - with over 6000 K2s out there, you can provide your own estimate of the percentage built by someone other than the owner.

73,
Don W3FPR
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K8MHZ on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Do you really think "appliance operators" can build equipment? Think they would, even if they could?"

If they did they would no longer be "appliance operators" now would they?

Duh...
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N0AH on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
It is called the brake factor.

Put it on a table and see how Hams stop to look at it.

Heathkit had it, most of today's rigs do not.

Who cares about the inside with kits. It's all about the chassis. Now that's essence.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K8MHZ on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"You were sitting on ya' backside watching TV or guzzling beer instead of rounding up all the local youths and telling them how the greatest experience of their lives would be missed, for ever, if they didn't learn ham radio and "do" Morse code at 30 wpm."

Hi Mel,

What say I get me a Pied Piper outfit with a practice keyer in place of the flute and commence to 'round up all the local youths' as you put it? How long do you think I could do this before I found my Pied self in the pokey? :)

Besides, if the UK had beer near as good as the ubiquitous Busch regime produced here in the colonies all y'all would be drunk all the time, instead of just after tea just like we are!

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by BHARDIMON on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
This is yet another "I walked to school in 2 feet of snow...uphill" article. Seen one, seen them all..always from the usual suspects. Bunch of old men trying to establish self importance, superior knowledge and convince us (or themselves) they are something other than "has beens". From what I can tell, it really sucks being a ham and over 50. Nobody really cares about you and your hobby, do they ? The kids certainly don't. Without a doubt, it's not going to attract the ladies. It's just you and some fellow old farts in a basement yacking about antiquated analog electronics
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by URBANGORILLA on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
BHARDIMON says- "From what I can tell, it really sucks being a ham and over 50. Nobody really cares about you and your hobby, do they ? The kids certainly don't. Without a doubt, it's not going to attract the ladies. It's just you and some fellow old farts in a basement yacking about antiquated analog electronics"

URBANGORILLA says- It is far better to be over 50 with some fellow old farts yacking about antiquated analog electronics in the basement than to be today's youth listening to rap music, chatting with some "hot mamma" on the Net that you don't even know is really a female, getting spaced out, and playing Russian Roulette by popping pills at a pharm party.

Of all the dumb things that today's youth does for recreation, your pharm parties really take the cake. Far more destructive than what my generation did in the 1960's. How often do you do pharm parties, BHARDIMON?

73
UG
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by ONAIR on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Time to bring tubes back, and tube kits back! Many HAMS have recently gone from 1 KW to 1 Watt and are now finding QRP to be more fun than heating the upper atmosphere. Sometimes simple is more fun than complex, and what could be more fun than talking all over the world by using a metal chasis with just a few warm tubes glowing over it? I say we all chip in and bring back to life a non profit "Heathkit" clone with a whole catalogue of "new" tube kits! I remember how much fun it was when as a kid I would flip through that new Heathkit catalogue and dream about someday building those awesome kits and putting them on the air. When I finally grew up and could afford to buy them, they stopped making them!!
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KC5CQD on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I'd like to know the percentage of amateurs who actually built their Elecraft K2 as compared to those who had it built for them. I don't know, but I'd almost be willing to bet it is in favor of someone else doing the building. Home brew indeed!"

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com



Well, I can speak for one per one hundred(1%).....

I built mine. And liked it so much that I then built a K1. Sold them both to help pay for a business venture and am now ready to build ANOTHER K1....even though I have an IC-756 Pro III!

Does this at least clear ME as a "real ham"? haha!
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by AG4RQ on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There was no "George" to take me under his wing and teach me and show me the ropes. Nobody elmered me. I'm an orphan ham who picked myself up by my bootstraps and taught myself how to be a ham. My knowledge of electronics came from going to electronics school. I also had an FCC 2nd Class Phone License. What I know about ham radio I learned myself and picked some brains along the way.

My love for electronics and radio started when I was a CBer back in the late seventies and early eighties. It gave me an unquenchable thirst for knowledge about radio and electronics which led to my pursuing an education in electronics and a career as a radio tech.

Actually, radio fascinated me since I was a child. I discovered broadcast DXing when I was 8. I graduated to SWL by the time I was a teenager. CB came when I was in my twenties. It was CB that hooked me on 2-way radio communication.

My thing in ham radio is tinkering, experimenting, homebrewing and modifying. To me, the communication aspect of this hobby is merely a byproduct of doing what I love - building and working on radios. To me, it's what ham radio is all about. That's the way it was back 100 years ago when ham radio was in its infancy. Anyone in this hobby built their own radio and got on the air with it. My main rigs may be my store-bought rigs, but tinkering and homebrewing is what keep me interested in ham radio. Kit-building and building from scratch - it's all great!
 
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by K0FF on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
http://qrpkits.com/files/MMR40_CW_SSB_RIG_Assembly_manual.pdf

Remarkable, no wonder I never saw one, they are not out yet. Certainly this is on my Christmas list, I hope they get one for 20M soon. $100 is certainly a good deal.

Ramsey used to make a first class 20M SSB kit with digital readout, it's been a while.

The MFJ ciruiut is nice too, has speach processing, S-Meter, double reduction dial readout, crytsal filter, many nice features and is inexpensive.

Are there any other lightweight 5 to 15 W SSB rig kits with "reasonable" features out there now?

Geo>K0FF
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB9RQZ on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
another whine from some one that laments reality that times change

I don't build radio so what that is my choice

i write programs and generate software and I use em
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K0FF on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
NORTHCOUNTRY on March 16, W1FB Doug Demaw said the better part of ham radio is the ham radio homebrew shop. "

Doug was my hero for sure. Some of his articles are referred to by almost all other homebrew writers, like his RLB return loss bridge article.

On the other hand, I know extra class hams who have worked to the top of the honor roll and never owned a soldering iron or VOM or ever set foot on a tower.

Fortunately Ham radio is tolerant like that, there is some facet for everyone.

A number of new hams on eHam have mentioned becoming newly disabled. Ham is the perfect hobby for them.

I say welcome all, the engineer type, the nut-and-bolt type like me, the code people, phone people, keyboard types, up to date and even the old fashioned types and so on.

To put the short answer on the title question, NO we haven't lost thye essence of ham radio!

73 Geo>K0FF
 
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by K4JF on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Yes!!

"There are more kits available now than then. "

As one who started with a Heathkit DX-40, I have to say "absolutely not"!! More now than then? No way! Although I admire the Elecraft kits, which seem to be really good stuff, I have to say they are way, way, out of the price range for me and many more. Heath put out good equipment at a price most could enjoy. Nobody does that today.

Sad - it's a real loss to the Amateur community.
 
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by BHARDIMON on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Hey gorilla

I don't know what a Pharm Party is. You seem to be more up on pop culture than me but I wish I was still in highschool with all of these freaky female teachers these days. It's no wonder young people are not interested in Aniquated Analog Radio, they are over at their teachers house getting their "dial spinned"
 
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by K0FF on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N5LX on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah and in WWII my dad flew P-41 Mustangs that had seven gauges and was controlled by wire... "

My dad was on the P-51 Mustang. I count 18 gauges and untold dials.

Geo>K0FF
 
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by WU2X on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
If anybody thinks we have lost the essence of ham radio, then they aren't trying hard enough. There are plenty of things out there one can be doing. As somebody else here has said - the Softrock kits are simply amazing. Don't get me wrong, the elecraft radios are cool - but how about building a truly cutting edge radio? That would be the softrock. Receiver price 12$, RXTX kits - 32$ - Does it get any better than that???

-Scott, WU2X
 
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by KX8N on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Just turn off the TV once in a while and engage your God-given brain."

That's right... get away from the TV and get on the internet.
 
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by KC8VWM on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
lol
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N4DSP on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There is more elmering going on now than there was in earlier years. The amount and varity of knowledge which is being passed on the internet at places like the Kenwood, Yaesu, Elecraft reflectors is astonishing. Now someone can instantly email and obtain an answer in a day or a matter of hours. So when I hear someone on eHam say I can't learn because there are no elmers out there or they won't take me by the hand and teach me is someone who wants everything handed to him. Too bad I did not have this type of elmering when I was a teenager.
Nice article Fred.

73
john-n4dsp
 
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by G3LBS on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
A great thing about ham radio is that it gives you an opportunity to evaluate yourself. We are basically problem-solving animals.
You can build an antenna and see if it works, using S-points instead of Grades. You can then either boast about it or lose interest in it and build another.
This makes a pleasant change from your job where there is now more evaluating than working, so nothing gets done.
For example, in Education there will soon be more assessment than teaching.
Buffalo Gil W2/G3LBS
 
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by K4UUG on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
We have lost nothing but have gained everything look forward not backward grow in the spirit and knowledge of this hobby / service ask not what the hobby / service can do for you but do everything you can as to grow the hobby / service into the future!We can start this by dropping the elitist attitudes some of us have,welcome new commers with open arms be the solution to the problem and not become the problem.
73
Rick
K4UUG
 
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by N9DG on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K4JF: "As one who started with a Heathkit DX-40, I have to say "absolutely not"!! More now than then? No way! Although I admire the Elecraft kits, which seem to be really good stuff, I have to say they are way, way, out of the price range for me and many more. Heath put out good equipment at a price most could enjoy. Nobody does that today."

The DX-40 cost $65 in 1960, with inflation today it would cost $446 (per http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl). So to me that makes the Elecraft kits a real value, especially when you consider the several orders of magnitude better performance you get with them.

And FWIW the <$20 Softrock kits would have been less than $3 in 1960 if it could have been built back then. And the full-up Softrock with a $500 *new* PC today would have been around $75 (if it could have been built back then).

Bottom line no matter how you slice it ham radio is less expensive than ever.



 
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by W1XZ on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
While chatting on 75 meters one afternoon a fellow came on asking for a signal report. He said he had up his backup dipole. His other antenna had stopped working and he had sent it back to the company for warranty repair. Have we lost the essence of ham radio? I would say not!
 
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by AK2B on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
If you have an interest in building your own equipment you soon find out that there are an abundance of things to choose from. One bit of knowledge leads to another. In my case it was the Elecraft KX-1. The building experience itself was pleasurable and the finished product was a beautiful ultra-portable QRP rig. This of course led to the Elecraft reflector and then the QRP-L reflector where I found other avenues of interest. There are quite a few QRP clubs with kits to build. I am not talking about barely usable ham radio trinkets. Many of these products are state of the art - designed by top notch engineers for our benefit. I have two NC2030’s that I built designed by Dan Tayloe which are truly amazing radios. I have built several versions of the SoftRock radios designed by Tony Parks - which are a very inexpensive way to introduce you to SDR. You can build pretty much anything you want these days with the help of the internet. And, if you don’t want QRP, HFProjects makes amplifier kits.
Many of these kits use surface mount devices which, at 60 years of age, made me hesitate somewhat. It turns out that I wasted too much time worrying about building with smd than it was worth. It was just another small thing to learn – now I prefer it.
My point is, if you want to build, you couldn’t be in a better place at a better time!

Tom, AK2B

P.S. right now I’m listening to a PCR-100($50) with a 10.7 MHz tap feeding a 10.7 MHz SoftRock Lite receiver(<$20) into PowerSDR software(free). (A DC to Daylight receiver with a 96 KHz spectrum display for a total cost of $70)
 
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by KD5PSH on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There are some kits around, Ramsey of course. And I'll be building Benson's Hi-mite soon. Also, I found some kits at philmore-datak.com and built a 40 meter receiver. I can listen to nets or CW from my backyard hammock etc.and will use it with my QRP xmter.

Kits are out there, and frankly a lot are better than they were years ago.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by AB5GU on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I think a set in the right direction would be for the ARRL to redo the Handbook. The handbook is full of useful projects that make for a nice artical, but leave out most of the information really needed to sucessfully complete the project. I know that the book can only be so big, printing costs and all, but the detailed build info can easily be added to the CD. For that matter, the detailed build sheets could be sold as a builder's addendum to the Handbook.

The ARRL Handbook in it's present state is geared too much towards the engineers who are writing the articals and already understand the principles, not towards the hams who could use the information in a different format.
 
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by AA9F on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, I'm not sure what the essence of ham radio is. It's a great hobby because there are so many different ways to use and enjoy it. Except for antennas, I've never built anything in 35 years. My thing is DX, almost 100% CW. Just love the low end of 20 cw when its wide open and there are layers of dx waiting to be called. Have about 250 entities confirmed with 100w and low wires. But others I know-who also don't build-are knowledgable and experienced emergency communicators. And Field Day! Think most of us believe Field Day is a "core ingredient" of ham radio essence. Was my elmer (W9DWQ) a builder? Think so, but I'm not sure. But he was a great DXer, having worked them all. Think we have a great and diverse hobby, and folks are free to enjoy it in whatever way they want.

73
ray, aa9f
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N0SOY on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
When I was growing up i the 70's the local public library and high school library had books on electronics that were from the 50's and 60's. These books were based on tube tech and were easy to learn from. They also had books like " 100 electronic stuff you can build " which incliuded chassie drawings, schematics, and parts lists. Parts were available from the junk pile of any TV repair shop (remember those). I spent many hours building stuff in my parents basement. I have not seen books like that in a long time.

The teenagers of today do not seem to build stuff like my friends and I did. I am doing post-doc work at a major engineering school and most of the undergrads that I talk to did not build stuff when in high school. I really think that they are missing out on a lot.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N3NL on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I agree. Building your own equipment and learning
electronics is the foundation of amateur radio.
Now we see ham radio becoming a user community with
factory-built equipment. There is much less building
your own equipment. This is a great loss for amateur
radio.
Any new ham radio bands should be strictly limited
to kit-built and home-built equipment. There should
be a reserve area for people who really want to dive
into electronics.
A good place to start is the Xtal Set Society and its
emphasis on simple home-made receivers. Build a
receiver today.
73, Nickolaus Leggett, N3NL
Inventor of a wireless bus
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W7COM on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
by KB5DPE on March 16, 2007
Uh, NO! Speaking for myself, if I want an appliance, I've got a microwave.

Sure, build it yourself for HF, but get a pushbutton appliance for 2.4GHz! Some ham YOU are! I bet you even forget to ID when you heat your coffee.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Good God, not to get a spew fest going here but to see a certain individual trying to act like they have a damned silver spoon in "his" mouth, after months of idiot comments here about code and nocode and bashing anyone that's been licensed for over a damn week is just about to much to handle for this ole boy.

Hey psycho, just itching to hear you do some of what you have promised us on hf. I'll personally record and timestamp your sorry ass and send it to Riley next day air. You'll never have a clue about what the "Essence" of amateur radio is about.

John WR8D
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry guys, that just had to be said and this weirdo knows exactly who my comments are directed at. 73 John WR8D
 
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by URBANGORILLA on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K4UUG, why should I welcome gutter trash like you? You are the problem, boy. The solution is getting the licenses of filth like you revoked. Go back to the chicken band where you belong, you subhuman slime!

UG
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB5DPE on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Sure, build it yourself for HF, but get a pushbutton appliance for 2.4GHz! Some ham YOU are! I bet you even forget to ID when you heat your coffee."

I want you to know that I'm the only person on my block with a microwave with automatic CW ID. OOps! Maybe I shouldn't have said that! Make that automatic ID!
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KC8VWM on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I found the number "8" for my callsign on my microwave alright, but do I press the soup or the entree button to retrieve my callsign letters?

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Nick (N3NL) wrote: "Building your own equipment and learning
electronics is the foundation of amateur radio."
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Sorry, my friend, but I strongly disagree.

That certainly may have been ONE of the "foundations of amateur radio", but it's not the only thing that formed the underpinnings of our Service so many years ago.

In fact, if you go back and look a the very early history of amateur radio (that is, well before the FCC's stupid "incentive licensing" foolishness in the 1950s) the mainstay of amateur radio back then was in relaying messages for the public, and in seeing how far amateurs could send their signals using the supposedly "worthless" bands (below 200 Meters) we had been given, NOT in "building your own equipment". The latter was done out of necessity, not choice.

Don't get me wrong; building our own equipment is still a wonderful part of the hobby for many people. But it’s not the only thing. And, certainly, in this day and age, if we were to try to justify our continued access to the literally BILLIONS of dollars worth of frequency spectrum we currently sitting on, we'd be hard-pressed to do so based on our current contributions to the advancement of the radio art alone.

Indeed, internationally, both the technical investigation aspects AS WELL AS the communication aspects of what we do are given equal weight in the definition of our Service as in, “A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training, intercommunication and technical investigation carried out by amateurs, that is, by duly authorized persons interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest.”

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
David (N0SOY) wrote: "When I was growing up in the 70's the local public library and high school library had books on electronics that were from the 50's and 60's. These books were based on tube tech and were easy to learn from. They also had books like " 100 electronic stuff you can build " which incliuded chassie (sic) drawings, schematics, and parts lists. Parts were available from the junk pile of any TV repair shop (remember those). I spent many hours building stuff in my parents basement. I have not seen books like that in a long time.

The teenagers of today do not seem to build stuff like my friends and I did. I am doing post-doc work at a major engineering school and most of the undergrads that I talk to did not build stuff when in high school. I really think that they are missing out on a lot."
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Missing out on a lot of WHAT?

How many manufacturers are still making buggy whips these days…or mechanical watches? And how many people still speak Latin as their first language?

Or, to bring it closer to home, how many electronic manufactures are still building things with vacuum tubes in them?

Times change. And technology changes as well. And while there will always be people who like to build their own Ham equipment, there are many, many more who prefer to simply go and buy what they want or need from a Ham Radio store these days.

That's not right or wrong, David…it just "is".

So, continuing to force EVERYONE into demonstrating a knowledge of advanced electronic construction theory and operating skills in order to qualify for a "full privilege" Ham Radio operator license (or to be thought of as a "real Ham") is about as absurd as requiring everyone to know how to shoe a horse in order to qualify for a driver's license to drive an automobile.

Unfortunately, we live in the present, not the past. It’s LONG past the time we moved Ham Radio into the 21st Century as well.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
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by K4JF on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"The DX-40 cost $65 in 1960, with inflation today it would cost $446 (per http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl). So to me that makes the Elecraft kits a real value, especially when you consider the several orders of magnitude better performance you get with them."

From the performance standpoint you may be right. But they are still way, way out of the price capability for many of us.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by VE3WGO on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I think the essence of ham radio is alive and well. Old timers are still thrilled to be elmers. Newcomers are still enthralled with the skills and shacks of experienced hams.

What I think has happened though, is that society has changed, more than has the essence of ham radio. We in North America at least, have become an insular society. We spend more time indoors than our parents' generations did, away from our friends and neighbours. If our kids have soccer practice after dinner, we don't let them walk there anymore, we drive them there, watch, and drive them back home afterwards. If we want to go shopping we don't walk downtown anymore, we drive to a megamall, park in the Walmart parking lot, do our chores, and drive back home on the freeway to suburbia.

We don't stroll up and down Main Street, chat with the barber, duck into the hardware store, sit on a bench and have a soda, then amble on home afterwards -that's so yesteryear.

As an increasingly insular society, we are not as easily approachable as we once were. Do you sit on your front porch after dinner and chat with the neighbours as they stroll by in the evening? ... Does your new house even have a front porch? Do your neighbours (or you) even stroll along the sidewalk in the evening these days? Probably No to both, if you are typical.

We are becoming invisible. So newcomers need to make much more effort to reach out to get help than we once did. Would-be elmers need to make much more effort to get out of the house and attend club meetings and get online and offer to help. Make it known that you want to help, don't just wait for it.

I think the WiFi 2.4 GHz DXers would love to be hams, if they aren't already, and find out what they are missing. I think the Yahoo IMers who join chat rooms would love to be hams too. Communicating is a fundamental thrill for humans. People still appreciate help. People still like helping. I have helped a couple of newcomers over the past year, and it feels great.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KD2BD on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I think the major points described in FCC Part 97.1 are still well supported in 2007, although 97.1(b) (Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art) might not be enjoying the emphasis and widespread participation it enjoyed back in our heyday.

This is not a healthy trend, in my opinion, for Amateur Radio's ability to grow in a progressive direction is tied directly to our historically homegrown ability to produce the technological advancements necessary to move us in that very direction.

Magazines such as QEX, show that the technological "spark" is still alive and helping to propel Amateur Radio forward, but before QEX was born in the early '80s ALL the ham-radio magazines (CQ, QST, Ham Radio, 73) carried lots and lots of technical articles.

Today, articles of the same calibre are typically missing from view. Those deemed too advanced for QST are placed in a "specialty" magazine, such as QEX. In the rare instance that CQ carries an article about a project more complicated than a one chip or one tube (!!) design, it is usually accompanied by a color-coded "difficulty" chart, similar to a terrorist warning produced by the US Department of Homeland Security.

It's hard to believe we're living in the 21st century with there being such an allergic reaction toward the publication of technical concepts in what has historically been a technical journal.


73, de John, KD2BD
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N6KYS on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!


KB2BD wrote: "Today, articles of the same calibre are typically missing from view. Those deemed too advanced for QST are placed in a "specialty" magazine, such as QEX. In the rare instance that CQ carries an article about a project more complicated than a one chip or one tube (!!) design, it is usually accompanied by a color-coded "difficulty" chart, similar to a terrorist warning produced by the US Department of Homeland Security."

I'm looking at QST right now, and I'm wondering if you're writing about the same publication that I have in my hands. There are lots of very in-depth articles in it. QEX and books dedicated to specific higher-level topics exist because of one reason....things are much, much more complicated today than those days that you seem to overly romanticize. Further, QST is only partly devoted to circuits and construction....it's the "Official Journal of Amateur Radio", not intended in my view, to be jam-packed with just circuits.

I completely agree with your basic premises, though. Still, why should the ARRL or any other function or monthly publication, be responsible for holding everyone's hands, wiping their noses when they cry about something they don't like, and making sure that everyone has the most satisfying hobby experience possible. There is PLENTY out there to find....circuits, parts sources, etc. It just takes only the slightest amount of effort to search it all out.

Brad
N6KYS

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W2RDD on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
To VE3WGO, so true, so true. I remember those days. A lad in the late '40's and mid '50's, those lovely summer evenings are still fresh in my memory.

Suggest reading Ray Bradbury's "Dandeleon Wine". Wonderful book. Not Sci-Fi.

 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by AD1OS on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The "essence" has changed. It's there but smells a lot different.
I also started with a crystal set and my father's help in 57-58. In the 40+ years I've been licensed, things have changed drastically. A slow but steady move from homebrewing to plug and play. I know there are isolated incidents where someone has built their entire station from the junkbox. Most of the emphasis is on communications now. My grandkids want to know how to use it, not how to build or fix it, and I think the majority of hams feels that way.
 
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by W4LGH on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The "ESSENCE" of Ham Radio is a very hard thing to define, as there are as many facits to this hobby as there are licensed operators! It is also going to be defined by the time period you started in, and how resistant you are to change! Everything on this earth evolves, dispite what some religious groups want to believe, even we humans have evolved into something different than we were when we started.

If you look at tubes as VALVES, which is what the Brits say, then, transistors are also VALVES, doing exactly the same thing! Only difference is Tube were hi-impedance, and transistors are low-impedance, and do not require a heater. So really nothing has changed in the grand scheme of things. And now the transistors are going to hi-impedance to handle higher voltages, which equates to higher power, or at least easier to handle higher power levels. So once again, we are going right back to where we started.

The true ESSENCE of Ham Radio will have to be what you the individual defines it. There is NO one defination or description that can be applied.

Its been a great life long hobby for me, as I was already into electronics. I enjoy the fellowship of get togethers, making QSO's and meeting people from all over the world. I also enjoy playing with my vintage equipment, as well as doing DIGITAL VOICE with my AOR digital box. Its all fun, and its all whatever you make it. The more you put into it, the more you will get back out of it!

73 de W4LGH - ALan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
John (KD2BD) wrote: "I think the major points described in FCC Part 97.1 are still well supported in 2007, although 97.1(b) (Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art) might not be enjoying the emphasis and widespread participation it enjoyed back in our heyday.

This is not a healthy trend, in my opinion, for Amateur Radio's ability to grow in a progressive direction is tied directly to our historically homegrown ability to produce the technological advancements necessary to move us in that very direction."
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John, Amateur Radio's ability to "grow in a progressive direction" involves far more than just our "historically homegrown ability to produce technological advancement".

And the verbiage you cite in Part 97 is only applicable to the United States. It stems directly from an idea hatched in the "missile gap" 1950s by Washington bureaucrats hell-bent on turning Amateur Radio into a "kindergarten for budding RF engineers". The goal back then was to make Amateur Radio into an instrument of social and economic policy to feed the (then) massive US electronics industry. Unfortunately, this garbage also formed the basis and purpose for the FCC's insane "incentive licensing" foolishness…an idea that today's FCC is now trying desperately to UNDO because it has since become quite illegal under current US equal opportunity law.

The truth is that the international regulations are completely silent on the issue of how much we are supposed to be "advancing the radio art", except for the fact that we are to simply carry on "technical investigations". What that means (or to what level those "technical investigations" are to be conducted) isn't specified.

But, clearly, the ITU regulators NEVER intended for EVERY "person interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim" to also be highly conversant in the now hundreds of pages of advanced technical gobbledygook currently contained in the ARRL's Extra Class License Manual (and the FCC test it is based on) in order for them to have full access to all that our Service has to offer.

Now, this is NOT to say that those persons who are so inclined shouldn't be delving into such "technical investigations" with gusto on their own. And, contrary to your observation, I firmly believe there IS still quite a bit of that going on in our Service.

For example, when I was President of AMSAT-NA and was up to my keester in getting the Phase 3-D satellite out the gate, I saw enough "technological advancement" happening in our Service to choke the proverbial horse. And, that tradition continues apace today in Amateur Radio-related organizations like AMSAT and TAPR. There, Hams with names like Tom Clark, Bob McGwire and Lyle Johnson are now hard at work designing and building software-defined transponders along with CAN bus hardware and software for the upcoming Phase 3-E and the Eagle satellites. What they are now working on is absolute, cutting edge stuff with wide application to other Radio Services besides Amateur Radio.

But their recent work simply follows in the AMSAT tradition of greatly advancing the state of the art in communications technology, and particularly space communications technology. They are an integral part of an organization that was responsible for inventing (literally!) an entire new communications industry (low-Earth orbiting store-and forward messaging) along with a whole new way to carry secondary satellites to orbit on a single rocket (the Ariane Structure for Auxiliary Payloads). If that isn't "technological advancement" I don't know what is!

If anything, what is FAR more amazing to me is that such "technological advancement" is STILL happening in our Service IN SPITE OF the FCC's best attempts over the last five decades to turn such people "off" and then drive them all away by cramming learning up various orifices of their (and our) bodies one ever-more irrelevant test question (and one stupid Morse character) at a time.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by DUALGATEMOSFET on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"If anything, what is FAR more amazing to me is that such "technological advancement" is STILL happening in our Service IN SPITE OF the FCC's best attempts over the last five decades to turn such people "off" and then drive them all away by cramming learning up various orifices of their (and our) bodies one ever-more irrelevant test question (and one stupid Morse character) at a time."

KB1SF, what is it that you want done to the FCC's licensing criteria? Do you want to deregulate the ARS and bring it back to the way it was in 1907? There was no licenses, no code tests, no theory tests, no rules, no regulations, no call signs, make up your own call. If that is what you want done with the Service, it would be dangerous in this day and age. Back in 1907, one had to have a good knowledge of radio. They had to build their own equipment to get on the air. Nowadays, a person with little or no knowledge of radio can put his plastic down and come home with a sophisticated plug and play station. If he could get somebody to set it up for him, all he would need to know is which button turns the radio on and how to press the PTT switch on the mike. The autotuner would take care of the SWR. Diddle with the rotor until the station he wants to call comes in the loudest. That seems to be the direction AR is headed in anyway. The only thing left is to channelize the Service, limit our power, FCC Certify our gear and prohibit us from making any modifications or internal adjustments to our equipment. Then we will be just like CB, a service developed for the layperson with no knowledge of radio.

Oh, and by the way, I don't think the FCC desires to scrap the incentive licensing system that you have such distain for. IMHO, incentive licensing is a good thing. It provides incentive for the amateur to want to learn. At least it was supposed to until multiple guess and published question pools became the norm. Now, all the tests prove is how well the "amateur" can memorize information.

73 from DUALGATEMOSFET
aka
The "Epitaxial" One
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N7YA on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
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by URBANGORILLA on March 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K4UUG, why should I welcome gutter trash like you? You are the problem, boy. The solution is getting the licenses of filth like you revoked. Go back to the chicken band where you belong, you subhuman slime!

UG


I am just curious what UUG said? the only thing i can find was some ineffective "lets all get along" statement followed by a soft jab at OF's who kvetch a lot, but otherwise not all THAT offensive...but wow, you really hate this guy. unless i missed something or he made a comment that was deleted. Urban, call?

Adam, N7YA
 
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by N7YA on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
....oh yeah, i also noticed "N5LX" seems to have disappeared.

These forums are NOTHING like actually getting on the air, this is more akin to a Mensa biker bar on a saturday night...you have to be careful who you try to pass yourself off as in here....hell, you should just be careful what you say in here period! theres a lot of residual pain in these forums.

As far as the "essence" of ham radio, its doing just fine over here, i feel the answer to the original question is answered by individuals, are you enjoying yourself? are you ok with change? and if you're not, then can you suck it up and make your own world a better place for you to live and play in? and how is MY personal essence of ham radio doing? im on the air right now and working a pileup from the unfortunate end...one day i WILL have a small plot of land in the country with some serious metal in the air, but im enjoying myself and as soon as that stops, its time for a big gear donation to a school. for the record, i am 40 and i will likely build my beams myself, gamma match and all...i will probably machine my own keys too, why not, its fun...like i said, the ham spirit is alive and well at my shack, how about yours?

Adam, N7YA
 
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by N6KYS on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"this is more akin to a Mensa biker bar on a saturday night..."

Too funny....thanks for the chuckle!

Best,

Brad
N6KYS

 
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by KB1SF on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The "eptiaxial" one (who is still apparently so ashamed of his call sign that he won't share it with the rest of us) said, "I don't think the FCC desires to scrap the incentive licensing system that you have such distain for. IMHO, incentive licensing is a good thing. It provides incentive for the amateur to want to learn. At least it was supposed to until multiple guess and published question pools became the norm. Now, all the tests prove is how well the "amateur" can memorize information.
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Which is precisely my point, and which is exactly why incentive licensing is so horribly discriminatory. It withholds full operating privileges in our Service based on written examinations that now go well beyond those knowledges and skills that are minimally required for safe and courteous operation under the international regulations.

What’s more, as all those tests now measure IS someone's (largely innate) ability to memorize and dump information, those tests in no way measure what they are supposed to measure. That, in turn, makes them completely invalid for their intended purpose.

In fact, the only people who CAN'T now pass them are those who are mentally or physically handicapped in some way. And THAT little side affect of the FCC's arcane incentive licensing system now flies directly in the face of a multitude of US equal access laws. So, in many ways, the FCC has now found itself caught between a legal "rock and a hard place" with their incentive licensing albatross. Which is also why I firmly believe the FCC is ALREADY in the process of gradually dismantling incentive licensing bit by bit.

First, they turned the complete responsibility for testing over to volunteer examiners. That decision necessitated changing the testing approach from "fill in the blank" to a multiple choice format. Next, they reduced the number of license classes going forward from five down to three and then dropped the Morse code testing requirements from 20 WPM and 13 WPM back to 5 WPM for all license classes. And just recently, they dropped the Morse testing requirement altogether and "grandfathered" all no-code Technicians giving them the equivalent of Novice privileges on HF.

Each of these steps is just one more "nail in the coffin" of the incentive licensing stupidity their predecessors hatched back in the 1950s…a licensing system where higher-class license requirements are NOT based in any way on operational need. Rather, the system rewards the "achievement" of successfully memorizing a bunch of ever more irrelevant questions and answers over complex RF theory by handing out access to "exclusive" sub-bands (along with the opportunity to obtain an "exclusive" call sign…if you can even get one). All of this does absolutely nothing but further stroke over-inflated egos.

What's more, the FCC has ALREADY solicited proposals on ways to regulate our Service by bandwidth rather than license class and emission mode. This, I believe is simply a precursor to eventually eliminating incentive licensing entirely. That will be the next "shoe" to drop.

However, unlike your (and other's) paranoid rant that our Service will eventually turn into CB, the ITU Radio Regulations make it absolutely clear that we are to be both tested and licensed. So SOME form of testing and licensing will remain in our Service in the United States after all the dust settles. But, my hunch is that those exams will eventually be based on assessing operational NEEDS rather than using rote-memorized achievement tests to hand out "rewards" that do nothing but perpetuate institutionalized snobbery.

The bottom line here is that incentive licensing (as we all know it) is dead. It just hasn't fallen over yet.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by AB7JK on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
At some point you need to question finding satisfaction and happiness from outside pursuits. There is only so much knowledge, kit building, DX contacts, marriages, porn sites, careers, vacations, antennas, weekend benders, music, religion, and warm fuzzy feelings you can experience in a lifetime before you realize that's not where it's at and the more different things you try (for relief mostly) the more miserable you are.

Until you realize you are lost and know there isn't a thing you can do about it, not resent knowing it, and your soul cries out to God life doesn't have any real purpose. At that point it's no longer about you and a new path opens.

 
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by W9OY on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC didn't "invent" incentive licensing. The ARRL invented incentive licensing. The ARRL then became the testing agency and the ARRL published all those guides you used to memorize and dump the information.

That being said the information to be regurgitated is no big deal to learn now that code is in the dumper. It never was relevant to the actual "practice" of ham radio. Even the old tests where you had to draw a Coplits oscillator or some such circuit from memory wasn't really relevant to the actual practice. It was still basically just some information to be regurgitated.

K1ZZ, the CEO for life, derives his pay from the proceeds of incentive licensing and every other cockamamie scheme those buzzards dream up. The object is clearly maximization of profit. We are basically back to 3 license classes the same as we were at in 1950. In the next ten years I expect yet a whole new set of licenses to be proposed so a whole new set of study guides will need to be printed and sold. Screwing with the licensing system is the gift that keeps on giving.

The profit motivation of the people who get paid to run the "ARRL" is the root cause of the problem not the FCC

73 W9OY
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by G3LBS on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
All hams are equal.

Buffalo Gil W2/G3LBS
 
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by K4JF on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"The FCC didn't "invent" incentive licensing. The ARRL invented incentive licensing. The ARRL then became the testing agency and the ARRL published all those guides you used to memorize and dump the information."

A. The FCC installed incentive licensing, not the ARRL, as the ARRL has no authority to do so, and never did. (IMO, one of the better things the FCC has done.)

B. The ARRL became ONE OF SEVERAL testing agencies YEARS after incentive licensing went into effect. (The two are not related in any way.) They are still not THE testing agency.

C. The ARRL is only one of several people publishing study assistance to the exams, and has been doing so for much longer than I.L. has been in effect. It is entirely possible (and quite easy, in fact) to pass the exams without resource to a single ARRL text (though I don't know why one would want to do so, the ARRL study guides are the better quality ones).

Just to get the facts straight.

As for opinions, I don'y know why people are constantly saying memorize the questions. That is the hard way to do it. It is much easier to study the ARRL material and know the subjects and reasons for them. It's really simple information. You will also be a better op if you do.

The only real memorization is for things like band segments, frequencies and certain regulations. Memorization is the only way to know those.
 
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by W4LGH on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W9OY wrote ~"The profit motivation of the people who get paid to run the "ARRL" is the root cause of the problem not the FCC."~

I will certainly agree with thata statement. I have said that the ARRL was our own worst enemy for years!
I challanged them about their proposal back when it came out at a state convension, and I was cursed at and called several names, in public, by an ARRL official. It was all posted here when it happened...but basically nothing came out of it. People forget that the ARRL is in the PRINTING BUSINESS..and charge a healthy sum for their books. They also SELL advertisements in QST for big sums of money...so the more they can change, the more money they can make! There are several exec's that have been milking the ARRL funds and living well off it.

In July my current membership will be UP, and it will not be renewed. I have only been a member this long, as I was the ARES EC in my county, and HAD to maintain a membership to hold that position. Another farce that can be a completely new topic all by itself.

Yes sir the ARRL's day has come, and Gone! We all need to just let it die on the vine.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

Alan i agree 100% with you and thank you for speaking up. About the same thing happened to me a few years ago, although they would never dare to cuss me i was in about the same situation as you and for the same reasons. We care about the hobby and what they're doing to it, simple as that.

It's getting to be not politically correct to want to achieve goals in amateur radio any longer. Anyone that can speak into a mic wants to feel equal to and on the same level as that broadcast engineer that keeps a radio station or tv station on the air...or that homebrewer that can walk through a hamfest picking up a part here and there and then go home and build a hf amplifier from scratch. Pretty soon people like you and i will be attacked because we make them feel inferior. They can't work on radios and amplifiers so there just must be something wrong with "us", not them. We make them feel like they've been discriminated against.

It's like the extra class license, at one time most of the holders could do reasonable radio repair etc. Now many don't even know how to put a pl-259 on a piece of coax. Those same ones can't hook up a vcr to their home tv sets either. They have to buy a book that tells them how to cut a simple dipole for any band. I've had them ask me how to put an antenna tuner inline??? They have to buy an amplifier keying wire for their rig because they can't figure out how to fix the wires in a din plug or simple rca jack so the rig can key the amp. Lord i could write a book here....i'll stop.

Our society is devolving and it's evident everywhere. It's to be expected it finally show up in amateur radio too.

The essence of amateur radio is here in my shack. The old amateur spirit is alive and well here too. It's what we make of it, but it's been here all setup for us now for years...don't come into it now and try to change it into some glorified version of trash and filth. Respect the bands and each other, anyone thinking for a moment the fcc won't come down on their heads only need to log onto the fcc enforcement pages.

Nuff said, more do need to get in here on these threads and speak up.

Now i've got to go and fix this 830s of mine. It's freaking out a little and i'll have it repaired and back in it's slot here in the shack before i have to go to work today. Sure hope that don't make anyone feel bad about themselves. God forbide something i can do should make someone else feel like they've been discriminated against.

Here come the "psycho"-analyzers, to tell me what a bad ham i am, Oh and you too Alan!! "hi hi"...

Have a great week, i'm sure gonna! 73 John WR8D





 
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by W4LGH on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well John, you are also absoultly correct too. The govt is going more to try and make everyone equal than ever before, and it is truely BS. People are not equal, some are smarter than others, some achieve greatness. Does that mean that every wine-o in the alley should have the same things, and who's going to pay for it. Personally I am TIRED of paying all the bills for everyone else. I have always paid my way, and have no problems with that, as I believe there are NO FREE RIDES!! But a whole bunch of new generals just got that free ride...more will follow. The bands will get muddy, then it will clear back up.

When will things truely get equal again, and I mean truely equal, not this false equality that the govt is forcing down our throats, who knows, but what goes around will always come back around. Just hope I am still hear to see it.

de W4LGH
 
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by KD2BD on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N6KYS wrote:

> I'm looking at QST right now, and I'm wondering if
> you're writing about the same publication that I have
> in my hands. There are lots of very in-depth articles
> in it.

Hi Brad.

No, I was referring to "CQ" in my post above.

Nevertheless, I'm glad to hear that QST continues to maintain a healthy level of technical content.


73, de John, KD2BD
 
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by K4JF on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Pretty soon people like you and i will be attacked because we make them feel inferior. "

That's already happening anytime anyone mentions CW. Soon it will come when we mention electronics at all! :o(
 
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by W4LGH on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well you know...Water will always run down hill!
This hold true with everything in life. I have never seen a lower class group of people thrown into a higher class.. and the class come up...it will always go down.

Making things easier for people does NOT altimately help them...They make think it helped them, but in the long run it hurts them. So as you lower one standard, you have to continue to lower all the standards. This has finally reached ham radio...what will happen when the govt does it to Doctors...should everyone have the same right to be a doctor as well?

Its gotta stop! We are going down the tubes FAST!

de W4LGH - Alan

 
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by AG4RQ on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"by K4JF on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Pretty soon people like you and i will be attacked because we make them feel inferior. "

That's already happening anytime anyone mentions CW. Soon it will come when we mention electronics at all! :o("

If you want to make enemies, all you have to do is hint that you're a pro-coder, like CW, criticize the dumbing-down of ham radio, criticize the ARRL and their self-centered money-motivated tactics and the lynch mob is ready to come for you.

W4LGH, WR8D and K4JF, I am in full agreement with you guys. W4LGH, you're first wising up now? I let my ARRL membership lapse on 8/31/04. I get nag mail from them periodically, as the League is still trying to get me to come back into their fold. Mmm hmm. Yup. When hell freezes over. I'm just very sorry it took me 9 years to figure out their agenda. I kept throwing good money after bad all those years.

"So you have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Sir Winston Churchill
 
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by K4JF on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Well you know...Water will always run down hill!"

Uhhh, water is not the substance running downhill in the saying I have heard all these years!! :o)
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
No..I have been wise for sometime, but being the ARES EC, and my major mistake, thinking I was really trying to help my community and doing good for said community, I HAD to keep my membership in force to hold that position. My membership renews in July, so I had renewed it last year, when I realized that ARES was a joke, as it was connected to the ARRL, and they were trying to put all the eggs back into ONE basket with this new PLAN. What has made Amateur radio work in emergencies was the ability to operate as individual cells completely on our own from many locations, BUT the ARRL and OTHER GOVT agencies want ARES to put everything into one basket, just like the Govt! It was then, that I called my ARES DC and resigned, and have NEVER LOOKED back. I can do emergency communications from my house better than can be done from the county EOC. Including backup power to run my entire house for up to 2 weeks!

I also realized that I didn't have to be a part of ANY emergency service to handle emergency traffic that needed to be relayed in any of the forms of communication available to us. The polotics of the ARRL and ARES were way more than I wanted to deal with, and didn't have to deal with any longer. And the final straw came when I was called by my DC and he proceeded to chew out my butt, in a nice way, but a butt chewing none the less, and I said, I don't have to listen to this crap... I volunteer my time to this, but I do NOT wish to volunteer any longer!!!

And this CRAP goes all the way thru the state level.
No..the ARRL has gotten the last bit of money out of my pocket, they have done more HARM to amateur radio than good.

I still think and will always think that the Extra Class License should be reserved for the technical hams. If you are NOT technical, ok, you can still play radio, but should have additional restrictions placed on it. I am NOT putting myself above anyone, this is more for the safety of all. Should you decide to study and become technical, then you too can upgrade.

Again, the above statements are my own personal opinions not meant to upset anyone, but to state the facts as I see it. Your opinions may vary, and this is perfectly ok.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

 
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by AG4RQ on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Alan, you are absolutely right. My last straw with the League came when they submitted their license restructuring proposal to the FCC in 1/04 without consulting the membership. Three of my e-mails to Frank Butler went unanswered. They want our money, but they don't want our input or our opinion. They want us to be good little stooges. They want blind obedience. The League is out for the good of amateur radio. Don't question anything. Just be a good stooge and shut up. Let those in HQ do the thinking. Just send us your money. Talk about dumbing down? Why do you think our government wants all of the people dumbed-down? So they can have more control over us. The government is out for the good of the people. Don't question anything. Just shut up and let the politicians you think you elected do the thinking for you. That way the masterminds that went to Yale will have an easy time ruling over a nation of dummies that won't question anything.

Wake up, people! It's time to take back amateur radio. It's also time to take back our government and give it back to the people. It's what Thomas Jefferson would have wanted us to do. The Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves knowing how our government turned away from what the Founding Fathers gave us. Just like Hiram Percy Maxim is turning in his grave at the thought of what his League has become. 73
 
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by K4JF on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"...League came when they submitted their license restructuring proposal to the FCC in 1/04 without consulting the membership."

Not correct. They DID ask the membership. I was one of those polled, and was surprised when they came out with (almost) all I suggested. (That would be eliminate code for General but keep it for Extra. The difference was that I suggest bringing back the Novice and making Extra 15 wpm.)

Let's keep it factual, guys.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by AE6RO on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Long answer: Yes. 73, AE6RO
 
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by AG4RQ on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K4JF, maybe your section was polled but mine wasn't. You're in SC. I'm in FL. Butler wasn't your director.
 
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by W4LGH on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Factual maybe for you. You may have been one of the lucky members that was consulted. I wasn't, and I know many others that weren't either. So they did a random poll maybe? That still didn't get the opinion of every member. What makes one member more special over another? Again...bad politics!

The ONLY group that was to gain over what was just done to ham radio was the ARRL! They were behind it 100%, had everything to win, new members, more ads, more hi$$$ book sales, and nothing to lose..

I had no problem with doing away with code..I personally never liked it, BUT I did get thru it several times! I think it should have stayed for Extra Class, but thats my opinion. Of course the ARRL wanted to give it away completely and grandfather all TECHs to GENERALS...Thats what I had the problem with, and thats what I confronted them with, that started off a chain reaction that went on for over 8 months, before I got a letter of appology, which is NOT what I asked for. I asked for it to be published in QST, since I was mistreated in PUBLIC, I wanted a PUBLIC appology...but I didn't get it, they wore me down after 8 months. Was that in my best interest? No they were covering their asses!!

In a club that one pays money to, that makes him a customer, and in business, the customer is always right...K1ZZ runs the show, whomever is President at the time is just a figure head. I learned that with my many communications via phone and emails with Jim Haynie, who was Pres. at the time. He wanted much more done...but didn't have the power.

The ARRL is totally FAKE...you believe what you want, but I learned the hard way. Hope you have better luck as you continue to send them your money!

73 de W4LGH - ALan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
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by AG4RQ on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Haynie was a brown-nosed yes man. All he did was support and defend the League's actions. I remember dueling it out with him on eHam threads in 2004. As for the polling, some sections polled, some didn't. My war cry was that no proposal should have been sent to the FCC without a referendum. They just snuck it in under the radar because they knew the $hit was going to hit the fan once it was sent to the FCC. Some members canceled their memberships immediately. I let mine lapse.

After I read that the proposal was sent to the FCC, I sent Butler an e-mail. Two more followed. The third and final e-mail was sent with a CC to Haynie. I got no reply from either Haynie or Butler. I threatened to cancel my membership if I got no response.

The bottom line is that the League doesn't want to hear from their membership on issues of great importance. They do what they want. Money talks, bravo sierra walks. They don't care who drops their membership. They can always get more suckers from the newbies.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WN2RUJ on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I used to be a lifeguard at Rockaway Beach (just like in the Ramones song). When I was working full time a few of us used to work on the weekends. My partner was an attorney who told me that he cross examined a person who owed his client money, "How much are you going to pay my client per month, one thousand, five thousand"? The defendant replied, "in essence". My partner answered, "Essence is smell, we want money, we don't want smell". I don't know if we lost the essence. Today I worked an OM who was 95 years old. He was licensed for 81 years, first with the Department of Commerce then the FCC. Times have changed, technology has changed. I am writing this using a computer I took out of the box an hour ago. What would it take to build this computer today. What would it take to build the all band rig sitting on my desk. The only homebrew item I have today is an antenna. My younger son wants to become a ham. He wants to listen to signals from space. But it is going to take more than two mouse clicks. Does the average person really have the time to learn, read journals, books, find parts and sit down and build. Then is today's person satisfied with what they have done when the neighbor has something better. I call it the middle class paradox,"I want the same thing but different". I was at a business meeting in Albany, NY in January. One of the persons my age)born in the 50s asked me what I like to do. I said woodworking and amateur radio. A younger fellow asked me about it and I said that I spoke to people all over the world. He had no clue as to how I did it. Things have changed but to some extent it takes more talent than most other hobbies. If you talk to most people about their hobbies they are simply collectors. They only have the time to spend the money they work so many hours for.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Mark (AG4RQ) wrote: "If you want to make enemies, all you have to do is hint that you're a pro-coder, like CW, criticize the dumbing-down of ham radio, criticize the ARRL and their self-centered money-motivated tactics and the lynch mob is ready to come for you."
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Mark, you and others posting here are certainly entitled to your opinions.

And, contrary to what you all might believe, I, too, firmly believe that we should pursue excellence in all things. For, like many of you, I have amassed a number of college degrees and letters after my name over the years as well.

But, where I think we part ways is that I do NOT believe a government-sponsored, taxpayer supported institution like the Amateur Radio Service should continue to be used as an overt economic policy vehicle to "force-feed" such excellence (by US government decree no less) into every person who wishes to now partake of all that our great hobby has to offer.

That's because there are any number of wonderful technical schools, colleges and universities in our country that do an absolutely superb job of such things…and they can do so far more efficiently and far more effectively…WITHOUT resorting to fake, US government-imposed, ego-stoking "incentives".

Or, to put it another way, requiring ordinary people to have the equivalent of an undergraduate degree in Electrical Engineering in order to have full frequency (i.e. Extra Class) privileges in the PUBLIC Amateur Radio Service is not only needless overkill, but it runs completely counter to the basis, purpose and intent of our Service internationally.

Historically, such over-regulation in our Service in the United States wasn't always the case. Indeed, in the early years of our Service, Amateurs were free to roam the airwaves at will without ANY regulation or license at all. And, even after our Service began to be regulated and licenses began to be issued in the early 1900s, then Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover (a conservative Republican, no less!) defined an "Amateur" in our Service as simply a person "who operates a radio station, transmitting or receiving, or both, without pay or commercial gain, merely for personal interest or in connection with an organization of like interest."

Please note that NOWHERE in that definition does it say anything about "creating a trained pool of communications experts and technicians" or "advancing the state of the radio art." And, indeed, in its early years, our Service was regarded not so much for the technical prowess of our membership (which was impressive, even WITHOUT a formalized licensing system!) but for our ability to quickly and successfully relay third-party messages from one point to another.

Thankfully, today's FCC is now (finally) undoing what the ARRL and their own bureaucratic predecessors set in motion in the late 1950s when they turned what was then a simple, basic competency test for a Ham Radio license into an unneeded series of ever more irrelevant achievement tests.

But, sadly, many of the unwitting proponents of that foolishness who ALSO bought into the ARRL’s fraudulent bill of goods back then are STILL trying their level best to hang onto that dying dream. This fact is clearly evident by all the passionate comments expressed here and elsewhere about keeping Morse testing alive, along with all the wails of protest about the so-called "dumbing down" of the licensing system.

Unfortunately, what such people STILL refuse to understand (let alone accept!) is that there was entirely too much overkill put into the licensing system when the FCC (at the urging of the ARRL) first hatched their stupid "incentive licensing" foolishness in the first place.

Maybe that's because many US Hams are still blissfully ignorant of the fact that most governments in the rest of the world steadfastly refrained from buying into the FCC's incentive licensing overkill for their Amateur Services. In fact, throughout the rest of the world, Amateur licenses are still regarded simply as “certificates of safety" that provide a reasonable assurance that an applicant for a Ham license won't become a safety hazard to his or her self (or their neighbors) or otherwise become a nuisance to their neighbors or others on the bands. Period.

What's more, elsewhere in the world, the Amateur Service is largely regulated by bandwidth, NOT by license class and operating mode as it is here in the United States. Needless to say, this far more progressive approach to regulating our Service provides those administrations with a great deal more flexibility than we now have to change regulations and permitted emission types as the technology changes.

On the other hand, (and largely because of the FCC's stupid "incentive licensing" approach) OUR frequency and regulated sub-band allocations still largely reflect Amateur Radio technology as it existed in the late 1950s.

Talk about "dumbing down" our Service!

Also, in most other countries, the safety issue of power output (vice frequency and operating mode) is often the central factor that differentiates one license class from another. That is, outside of the United States, Amateur Radio licenses are usually officially viewed as "licenses to learn" rather than as a series of elitist "badges of honor" that one has successfully endured a series of "hazing rituals" and assorted other completely irrelevant, ego-stroking "rights of passage" that cram seldom (if ever) used information down EVERYONE'S throats in exchange for "rewards" of greater frequency and operating mode privileges.

The bottom line here is that most of rest of the world's Amateur Radio licensees are NOT tied to a set of silly (not to mention increasingly meaningless) achievement tests in a licensing system that looks for all the world like the adult version of the Boy Scouts…complete with the requirement to earn a specified number of "merit badges" before being allowed to progress on to the next "class".

As I've said previously, and based on their regulatory actions in our Service over the last 20 years (including their latest decision to drop all forms of Morse testing), it's absolutely clear the FCC has (finally!) recognized the horrific, constrictive mess their predecessors made of our licensing and regulatory system when they hatched their stupid "license-class-and-operating-mode-based" foolishness back in the 1950s.

And, as a direct result of that realization, I also firmly believe the FCC has now embarked on a plan that will largely de-regulate our Service, allowing it to revert back to the time when our licensing system was simply comprised of forward-looking licenses to learn rather than a meaningless series of ego-stroking "rewards" tied to an ever-more irrelevant set of "achievement tests" that do absolutely nothing but perpetuate institutionalized snobbery.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W7ETA on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<Let's not lose the “essence” of why we became hams and let's pass along our joy of the hobby to someone else as George did for me.>

Nice prose.

But you assume we all became hams for the same reason(s), and had "Elmers".

There are so many areas to play around with in ham radio.

UHF-HF(and LF), AM-digital, ducting-EME, mobile-satellites, solar-battery, etc.

73
Bob
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KE7ISF on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I believe there are a good number of kits, plans, and groups. Over the last couple weeks I have built a Pixie, a random wire tuner, a keyer, and a frequency counter and I have a couple other projects lined up. Now beyond kits it continues to be harder and harder to find parts, especially for the basic stuff. Finding inductors, torroids, air variable caps, etc. is tough using local stores and fortunately there is the Internet.
We can do amazing things now with ICs and SMT but it is tougher to often do the basic stuff, then again, it can be tough competing with the Game Boy.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KG6OMK on March 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
One thing that's happened is economic. It's simply cheaper to buy a made in China radio than to build one yourself from parts. Robots can stuff parts on a board and a solder machine can solder them down faster then someone can count out the parts and place them in a plastic bag to make a kit. Kit's don't cost less to make than radios any more. Also we simply make more money now. Our standard of living is drastically better then it was in the 1950's or 60's It makes economic sense to buy rather then build. Although many may still want to build.

Many do build. But the state of the art is no longer tubes and coils. It's mostly software now. Very soon an HF transmitter will be just a computer computing a waveform and an amp that drives an antenna. Many people are building these kinds of radios now. They are on the cutting edge of ham radio. Years from now Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu will follow. Already we hear things like "My ASTC receiver works - download it from SVN" Yes "download" a receiver. When 99% of the functionality of a radio is in software you can actually send 99% of a radio down an Internet connection. So people ARE building and ARE experimenting.

The other exciting thing is droping the code test. ARRL says they are being "flooded" with paper work. My guess is that there were many people with technical backgrounds who stayed away because they had no use for Morse Code.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4JF on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Factual maybe for you. You may have been one of the lucky members that was consulted. I wasn't, and I know many others that weren't either. So they did a random poll maybe? That still didn't get the opinion of every member. What makes one member more special over another? Again...bad politics!"

It's called "sampling". It is done by every large organization, because it is accurate, and asking everyone is prohibitively expensive. The accuracy in a well-designed poll is +/- 3% or so. You do not have to ask everyone, because it simply isn't necessary. Granted, I don't know the methodology on that particular one firsthand, but having done that in industry for decades, and taught the techniques, I do know the accuracy.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4JF on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Of course the ARRL wanted to give it away completely and grandfather all TECHs to GENERALS..."

Actually, that makes sense, now. As of last month, there is absolutely no reason for the existance of the Technician license. It was created for people with no interest in code to work on VHF and up. The General now serves the same purpose.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by G3LBS on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I think the greatest contribution we make, and one which is enjoyable, is forging international communication and understanding.
In this essence and sense, all hams are equal and should be equally licensed.
The best things in life are free.
Gil W2/G3LBS
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC nor the ARRL has realized what they "DID" or what they have "UN-DONE" It is simply a fact that our govt is breaking down and giving in to the "ENTITLEMENT" generation. Same with the ARRL, but they also saw BIG $$$ as membership would increase, at the same time didn't care about their previous members because they knew the influx of new members was going to out weigh the old ones. They also knew that newest members would me super loyal to the ARRL for getting them something they didn't have to work for. Who wouldn't... The illegal Mexicans receiving social security benefits love our govt too! Press 1 if you'd like this message in English or Press 2 if you like it in Spanish.. It should say....

Press 1 to continue....
Press 2 if you need to here OUR msg in Spanish.
When 2 is press a Spanish msg comes on saying..." This is the USA, we SPEAK English here, either learn to speak OUR language or GET OUT!"

All of this has filtered down to Ham radio, and everything else as well..I am afraid its gonna get worse before it get better.

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Over and over (and OVER) again on this and other forums I hear the broken-record lament that our bands will be “invaded” from those dreaded “no-coders” now that the Morse test is history. The other broken-record I hear is that our bands are now being “given away” to unqualified newcomers who haven’t worked “hard enough” for their privileges.

But, while we are all arguing about whose slice of HF spectrum needs to be protected from which dreaded onslaught, has anyone noticed that fewer and fewer of us actually seem to be OPERATING these days?

That is, aside from the occasional contest weekend (or 75 Meter net) most of what I hear these days on the bulk of our HF bands is little more than dead air. Now, I know we are at the bottom of the sunspot cycle. But, even so, I remember our bands being a LOT busier during previous sunspot minimums.

All of which begs the question: Where the heck IS everybody?

Sadly, the same lack of activity seems to hold true on our VHF and UHF bands. How many of us have listened to one or more of our local repeaters only to hear little more than the repeater ID for hours at a time? How many of us have made a call on our local repeater (other than during “drive time”) only to have nobody return the call? The same holds true for Ham Radio clubs. They, too, appear to by dying a slow, painful death.

Unfortunately, in our passionate discussions here about the "essence of Ham Radio", nobody has yet addressed the simple fact that the PRINCIPLE threat to Amateur Radio’s existence these days has absolutely NOTHING to do with code vs. no code or the so-called "dumbing down" of the license system. If anything, waiting so bloody long to drop the Morse testing requirement and bring all of our licensing requirements back in line with international reality has simply contributed to the problem.

That is, the "essence" of Ham Radio these days has become our own lack of interest in operating.

While it is true that many of us still have licenses, fewer and fewer of us are regularly operating on the air. And, in the eyes of some VERY well heeled commercial interests (who, by the way, are also listening to us) that makes our bands “ripe for the picking” because they are mostly empty. That is, from their perspective, we are now sitting on GOBS of commercially valuable spectrum space that’s being “wasted” on an ever-dwindling bunch of crusty curmudgeons who remain completely obsessed with keeping the "riff raff" out of their "exclusive club" and who are STILL principally communicating via Morse Code and analog SSB using quaint, tube-type radios.

So, while it’s certainly fun to reminisce about “what was”, the sad truth is that we live in the present, not the past. And, unless we all (yours truly included) begin spending a LOT more time on the air and a lot LESS time here chatting on the Internet about how our bands should (or shouldn’t) be carved up among ourselves (or who is (or isn’t) getting a "free ride") I’m afraid much of our spectrum is going to eventually be re-allocated to some other service based on our own benign neglect and our collective inability to change with society and technology.

The bottom line here is that our continued, obsessive insistence on keeping the "riff raff" out of our Service (and our licensing system firmly rooted in the technological "dark ages" of the late 1950s) will eventually kill it. That's because, if we keep on going the way we are going, what we do will someday become so utterly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things that our Bands will be re-farmed by the ITU and/or the FCC to other, FAR more worthy uses (and users).

And, sadly, when that all happens, we’ll have absolutely NOBODY to blame but ourselves.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KB1SF wrote ~"But, while we are all arguing about whose slice of HF spectrum needs to be protected from which dreaded onslaught, has anyone noticed that fewer and fewer of us actually seem to be OPERATING these days? That is, aside from the occasional contest weekend (or 75 Meter net) most of what I hear these days on the bulk of our HF bands is little more than dead air. Now, I know we are at the bottom of the sunspot cycle. But, even so, I remember our bands being a LOT busier during previous sunspot minimums."

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Well I don't know your operating conditions, but maybe you need a better antenna/receiver? 20meters was wide open last nite, and I made several contacts from my Drake 4B Line...17meters was also open til about 9pm, a few trying to fight the SWB on 40 meters, and of course 75/80M was slammed. Didn't check out anything higher than 17M, but I rarely operate above 17M anyway. So I was out there doing my part, best I could. 20M was still going @ 10pm EDT when I pulled the plug to go to bed.

Yes we are at the bottom, but there still nice opening out there. I also find it amasing that whatever weekend there is a contest planned, the bands are WIDE OPEN! Hmmmmm... Just get out there and call CQ a few times, bet someone will answer!!!

73 de W4LGH - Alan
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RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by AG4RQ on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Keith, I totally disagree with your way of thinking on how licensing should be. As for the bandwidth proposal, the idea went over like a lead balloon. Nobody wants it, including me. Read what SPAR thinks about regulation by bandwidth.

Now on the subject of licensing, I'll tell you what I told the FCC. If we were to eliminate code testing, we should go to a licensing system such as they have in Great Britain. Go to the RSGB web site and look at their licensing structure, system and criteria. Don't forget to download all the PDF files on the syllabi for the Foundation, Intermediate and Advanced licenses. Classes and much study are necessary for their licenses. In GB, you really have to know your stuff. It's not like here where you have the questions and answers in advance. Memorization won't get you a license in GB. You have to earn it.

On the subject of our Extra exam, the material is not BSEE level material. When I went to electronics school (a 2-year tech school program on electronics techonolgy and radio communications), we went much deeper into electronics than the material on the Extra exam. My Extra exam, which I took in 2002 touched the tip of the iceberg compared to what I learned in electronics school in 1981-82. We went much deeper into time constants, phase angles, radiation patterns, etc.

I strongly believe that testing standards need to be bolstered, not reduced. Our licensing and testing system here in the United States is a sad joke. Published question pools is the blunt equivalent of cheating. If I had the questions and answers to all the questions on tests when I was in school, I would have failed the course and would have been either suspended or expelled.

To pass any of our 3 amateur exams, all that's necessary is to go through the question pool 2 or 3 times and take some practice exams on QRZ. A passing grade is all but assured. I've even seen posts by some hams admitting that they didn't even go through the pools and didn't even buy a license manual or study book. All they did was do practice exams on QRZ to get their licenses. Sad, very sad!
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by AG4RQ on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Alan, if you want to see the ARRL completely exposed and naked, read some of the articles and stuff posted on the SPAR site about the ARRL. They tell you the nuts and bolts and the real nitty gritty of what the League is really all about.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KD2BD on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KB1SF wrote:

> That's because there are any number of wonderful
> technical schools, colleges and universities in our
> country that do an absolutely superb job of such
> things.and they can do so far more efficiently and
> far more effectively.WITHOUT resorting to fake, US
> government-imposed, ego-stoking "incentives".

Keith, we've had this conversation before.

Schools, faculty, and educational programs are driven by the almighty dollar (supply and demand economics) to a FAR greater extent than the Amateur Radio Service ever has or ever will. There is no comparison.

The number of interested students, the number of qualified faculty, and the number of schools that cover even the basics of radio theory are in free-fall right now.

You can rest assured what programs remain are chock full of "ego-stroking incentives", such as timelines, exams, coursework, grades, pre-requisites, Dean's List, scholarships, etc.

The US Amateur Radio Licensing structure of 20 years ago was paradise compared to this. Imagine what it is today.

When I show present-day college-level electronics students the insides of my homebuilt Elecraft K2/100, they are in shock and awe. When I show them the ISS in the night sky and let them listen to the astronauts talk to school children during the day on a handheld and "coat hanger groundplane", they are amazed and can't wait to tell their friends.

When I give them a general overview of how in the last ARRL Frequency Measuring Test I scored better than over 90% of 154 participants on 80-meters, and better than over 77% of 105 participants on 160 USING COMPLETELY HOMEBREW EQUIPMENT, nearly 60 ICs in all, they suggest I should work for NASA.

Then I show them some of the software I've written that IS used by NASA, and they are speechless.

After several moments, a question invariably arises, "How did you learn all this stuff"?

Well, it didn't come from school. My degrees are to me, little more than formalities. My technical education came by and large by the opportunities (and incentives) provided through the Amateur Radio Service.

When they ask where they might go to school to learn what I know, then *I* become speechless. I have no answer.

THAT, in my opinion, is the *ESSENCE* of Amateur Radio. It fills an incredible void that is not being filled anywhere else by anyone else.

Sorry, but life's too short and I'm just too involved doing really cool things to cry about the ARRL, the FCC, the code test, the lack of a code test, the exam structure, the exam content, the demise of "spark", and the number of Americans who speak a language other than English.


73, de John, KD2BD


 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Mark (AG4RQ) wrote: I strongly believe that testing standards need to be bolstered, not reduced. Our licensing and testing system here in the United States is a sad joke. Published question pools is the blunt equivalent of cheating. If I had the questions and answers to all the questions on tests when I was in school, I would have failed the course and would have been either suspended or expelled."
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All I'm advocating here is making the content and comprehensiveness of the exams commensurate with the privileges granted.

For example, in Canada (as in many other countries in the world) the top license (their Advanced Certificate) requires the successful passage of a very technical, 50-question exam.

But, in exchange for passing it, Canadian Hams are given a small number of very specific additional privileges that are FAR more commensurate with the material examined. These include being able to build transmitters "from scratch", run a KW of power (vice 250 Watts), or be the licensee of a club or repeater station.

Clearly, the latter pursuits involve a great deal more potential risk of physical harm to either one's self or to others (running high power), or are activities with much greater probabilities of causing harmful interference to others on the Ham bands or other services (building transmitters from scratch or running a repeater).

And, quite naturally, in Canada one has to also have an Advanced Certificate in order to give exams to others along with a Morse endorsement on their licenses in order to do so. This logic, too, makes perfect sense because how can one administer and grade a (now optional) Morse test to a candidate if you, yourself, don't know Morse?

By contrast, in the United States, unless a person is already an RF engineer, a candidate for an Extra Class license must STILL plow through hundreds and hundreds of pages of technical gobbledygook in a license manual and then pass a 50-question exam. In return, they are given "exclusive" access to the last few KHz of spectrum space in our Service and the opportunity to have an "exclusive" call sign... privileges which are routinely granted to the rest of the world's Hams for completing significantly less comprehensive exams.

Yet, by the same token, the FCC routinely grants EVERYONE (including Technician Class operators) the "privilege" of running a full kilowatt of power, and building anything and everything (including high power transmitters and amplifiers) "from scratch" right from day one. It apparently doesn't matter to our FCC that such privileges create very real RF shock and exposure hazards to licensees, their families and their neighbors as well as create the very real potential to cause harmful interference to other licensees in the Amateur as well as other radio services.

Clearly, because the Extra Class examination does little more than reward "exclusive" access to "exclusive" frequencies and call signs, that license fulfills absolutely NO operational need whatsoever in the ITU guidelines.

Indeed, BECAUSE the primary purpose of the Extra Class license IS to grant such elite "exclusivity", all it really does is enable and underwrite all the "I'm better than you" snobbery and blatant bigotry that is STILL clearly present in our Service in the United States. Sadly, we only need to read some of the recent items posted here on this thread to see that blatant bigotry at work. What's more, such snobbery is an absolute turn off for most young people today.

So, while it's nice to think that "bolstering" the testing standards will improve things, I'm absolutely convinced it will simply hasten our demise as a Service. All that will do is drive more interested newcomers away…newcomers who are ALREADY voting with their feet in droves and who have been doing so in ever-increasing numbers over the last few years.

If fact, I firmly believe it is precisely BECAUSE our licensing system is still stuck in the technological and sociological 1950s (and has now become so out of touch with today's society) that our ranks are now shrinking at an ever-faster pace.

It is an irrefutable fact that the number of Amateur Radio licensees hasn't grown in the United States since 2003. And that trend shows absolutely no sign of reversing anytime soon. What's more, as the FCC's licensing data is on a 10-year cycle, who knows how many more Hams have since "voted with their feet" and have left Amateur Radio entirely? Other than listening to the dead air on our bands, we won't know exactly how many folks have made such a decision for at least another 10 years.

It's also now painfully obvious that all the "snob appeal" built into our current licensing structure is no longer a motivator for most people to join our ranks and then upgrade all the way to Extra Class. Otherwise, why have nearly half of all US Hams (some 40 percent) never bothered to upgrade beyond the Technician license?

But what's FAR more frightening for our long-term health as a Service is that average Ham in the United States is now approaching 60 years old. It doesn't take a BSEE to figure out that, unless things radically change, the day is not too far off when (standards or no standards) there won't be anyone left to talk to on our bands. That's because, by that time, the vast majority of us will be very, very DEAD!

So, unless and until the FCC adopts a FAR more progressive licensing system, one that better connects the content and comprehensiveness of the exams to the privileges granted (and stops relying on "snob appeal" alone to motivate people to learn) your grand ideas for "bolstering the licensing standards" in our Service will become quite moot.

That's because, by that time we will have LONG since "exclusive clubbed" ourselves right out of existence.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
John (KD2BD) wrote: "Sorry, but life's too short and I'm just too involved doing really cool things to cry about the ARRL, the FCC, the code test, the lack of a code test, the exam structure, the exam content, the demise of "spark", and the number of Americans who speak a language other than English.
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And, John, as you well know from our time in AMSAT together, our Service could use many, many more people like you. But, as I've said, our current FCC licensing system is far more biased toward keeping otherwise qualified people out than in letting them in.

For, in their desperate attempts to keep the “riff raff” out of the hobby, the Morse-testing-and-incentive-licensing-forever crowd have successfully lobbied their willing partners in the ARRL and the FCC over the years to continue using Part 97’s blatantly discriminatory “incentive licensing” foolishness to turn off (and then turn away) thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of potential newcomers…the very lifeblood of our service.

These are the newcomers who may have tried jumping through some (or all) the FCC’s stupid “incentive” hoops, but who have only managed to succeed in getting a codeless license….if that.

And what did these new folks find when (or if) they finally got on the air? Unfortunately, far too many were greeted with arrogant, condescending rants from big-mouthed curmudgeons who’ve made it their life’s work to make absolutely sure such “lazy low life” fully understand they would NEVER be “real Hams” unless and until they’d also passed a stupid Morse test and then “upgraded” their licenses to something at least comparable in class (a.k.a.“caste”) to their own.

Quite naturally, many of these new folks have since responded by simply voting with their feet, never to be heard from again.

And then there are the tens (hundreds?) of thousands more who have listened to some of the vitriol spewing forth from the mouths and keyboards of these Bozos and have simply elected not to even try getting a license in a so-called "public" radio service whose arcane advancement requirements have clearly enabled such blatant bigotry.

Unfortunately, we’ll never know just how many otherwise well-qualified people the Morse-testing-and-incentive-licensing-forever crowd have managed to run off as a direct result of their arrogant, condescending rants.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KD2BD on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KB1SF wrote:

> Otherwise, why have nearly half of all US Hams (some
> 40 percent) never bothered to upgrade beyond the
> Technician license?

Maybe because the Tech license provides access to more spectrum and privileges than they'll ever have use for, and they lack the interest and incentive for more.

Maybe because the test was so easy, they place very little value in Amateur Radio, and can't see themselves getting deeper into it.

Maybe because the test was so hard, they feel the benefits of upgrading aren't worth the effort.

Maybe they got their licenses because someone twisted their arm, and were never truly interested in Amateur Radio to begin with.

Maybe because this new entry-level license class carries a life-time term (unlike the old Novice License), so there's no impending reason to upgrade. Ever.

Maybe because they cheated on their test and don't want to go through "that" again.

> And, John, as you well know from our time in AMSAT
> together, our Service could use many, many more
> people like you. But, as I've said, our current FCC
> licensing system is far more biased toward keeping
> otherwise qualified people out than in letting them
> in.

Thank you for your kind words, Keith, but I don't agree that the licensing structure is keeping otherwise well qualified, naturally curious, challenge-seeking individuals from joining our ranks.

Intelligent, well-motivated individuals realize that an Amateur Radio License is WELL worth the price of admission, and is quite a bargain at twice the price! :-)

And these are the people who are REALLY going to contribute to this Service, and be in it for the long-haul.


73, de John, KD2BD

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Mark if the extra exam is BSEE material i must be a genius. It's been fifteen years since i tested or studied and i took three online tests and passed two of them with flying colors. In a few years we can look back on this and see if the "saviors" of amateur have stood up to their brags.

Most new hams do just take sample tests online to pass the tests, it's a proven fact. I know several that took the online exams over a period of several weeks and then had no problems passing from nothing to extra.

Hi Hi, there's lots of "hamming" going on all one needs is an antenna to see and hear it. Pure garbage saying amateur radio is dead or about to die out. Many work a dayshift through the country but even here in the middle of the day 40m has qso's going on from the upper phone portion down to the end of the cw bands. It's there, all one has to do is look for it to find it. Sure there's lots of qsb and i can hear it die out completely and then come back in as short as fifteen minutes, that's just the way the bands are here at the bottom of this solar cycle. Here in my part of the country i still get very nice openings on 20 in the early evening hours, i've not looked at the other bands but i'm sure the same holds true for them also.

The essence of amateur radio is what one makes of it. To some it may be working nothing but cw or sstv or any of the wonderful digital modes. To others i know it's restoring old am transmitters and just working am. I have friends that travel the country just looking for some old transmitter to haul back and restore to perfection and put on the air. A few of them found a very rare find in the basement of some old building that was being demolished. The destruction of the building was halted long enough for them to bring out piece by piece an old tmc transmitter. It was restored to perfection and is owned and operated by a dear old friend of mine out in ky. For some the essence may be joining in nothing but net activity, for others it may be just the contest weekend and that maybe all they're interested in. Bottom line is, amateur radio is what we each make of it.

Change sometimes is not good and no matter what the issue is there will always be those that blindly support it no matter what the end results will be. Nobody can deny what i've just said in these past few lines.

I love this hobby especially during good solar cycle times. Looking back i think we're coming into my third one. Memories of thousands of ragchew contacts all over the world. I remember huge pileups with me being the object of the pileup and dx stations lined up waiting to ragchew with me, Yeah you read that right...ragchew, they love it and most never take the time to settle down and do it. Jewish friends coming to visit and using my station and getting to work the holy land for their first time ever, only to find out they're talking to a radio friend of mine..i still laugh remembering the look on their faces, "he knows you?". hi hi. Yeah i've been around a while.

Well the above is some of what the essence is for me. Now lets sit back and watch and wait and see what the saviors of the hobby do to it, or for it. I already don't like some of what i'm hearing on the bands and it's just started...but there again one has to have an antenna and actually get on the air to hear some of this idiot crap going on.

My two cents: 73 John WR8D

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
You see..theres the whole thing in a nutshell....everyone says we NEED more people. NO! We need more GOOD people! I have said it many times before, and I will one more time, I DO NOT care about Morse Code, never have, and never will, BUT it was the last QUALIFYING TEST that we had, not something that could be memorized in an evening, and it NEVER kept ANYONE out who TRUELY wanted to hold a license!!
Now that is a FACT! If I could do code, then ANYONE could do code if they really wanted to! so it was the LAST bridge that seperated those who really wanted to be in the hobby and those who thought it might be nice to be in the hobby.

As for teh times "THEN" and the times "NOW" Ham radio has ALWAYS been a TECHNICAL hobby, from day 1 til now!
Now you just buy a radio, antenna, memorize a few answers and you are a HAM! I am NOT being a SNOB here, it just doesn't fly. Anything worth having is worth WORKING for! Plain and simple, and human nature is so that you will appreciate something you EARNED, far more than something just given to you. Hence the phrase.."Easy come, Easy Go!"

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N3NL on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
One of the commenters stated that he wanted to limit building a transmitter from scratch to Extra Class licensees (or the equivalent). I certainly hope that such a limit is NOT imposed on the Technician and General Class operators.
Building one's own gear is a great way to learn electronics and to make the theory come alive. Many Novice class operators benefited from building their own transmitters. I worked many of these stations on the air on 80 meters. Building helped me understand the electronics theory described in the books.
We need to have amateur radio as a license to learn in an environment that encourages the builder and experimenter.
73, Nickolaus E. Leggett, N3NL Extra Class
Inventor and Patentee (U.S. Patent # 6,771,935)
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Alan (W4LGH) wrote: You see..theres (sic) the whole thing in a nutshell....everyone says we NEED more people. NO! We need more GOOD people! I have said it many times before, and I will one more time, I DO NOT care about Morse Code, never have, and never will, BUT it was the last QUALIFYING TEST that we had, not something that could be memorized in an evening, and it NEVER kept ANYONE out who TRUELY wanted to hold a license!!
Now that is a FACT! If I could do code, then ANYONE could do code if they really wanted to! so it was the LAST bridge that seperated those who really wanted to be in the hobby and those who thought it might be nice to be in the hobby."
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Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But, as far as your " If I could do code, then ANYONE could do code if they really wanted to", comment I have to STRONGLY disagree. That's because the "facts" of which you speak are anything but.

As an Accredited Examiner (in both the USA and Canada) as well as an Amateur Radio instructor who has helped introduce Ham Radio to hundreds of future Hams for more than 20 years, I learned long ago that, for some people, learning Morse was a "snap".

But, for others, it was days, weeks, or even years of absolute frustration, resulting in failure after failure. And the amount of “work” expended by such folk seldom, if ever, made any real difference in the outcome. In fact, there are any number of widely recognized, certifiable medical conditions that can make learning Morse nigh on impossible for some otherwise “ordinary” people.

The reason is because proficiency in Morse is an inherent, complex, human psychomotor skill.

That means it involves a whole host of both psychological (mental) as well as physiological (motor) skills and abilities, some of which can be "learned", but most of which are NOT AT ALL "learnable". That is, we are either born with these abilities to learn those skills or we aren't. And that ability to learn those skills can also be impaired by accident or disease.

Now, certainly, listening for the dots and dashes (or the entire "sound") of a Morse character is a part of that activity. But, then there's the mental interpretation part of what those sounds mean, as well as the brain's ability to send the proper neural messages to one's hands and fingers to write down the letters and words on a piece of paper or a typewriter. The latter activity also involves one's ability to see as well as to hear…not to mention one's ability to properly form recognizable characters on a page and/or finding the correct key to depress on a typewriter. At least ONE of those additional skills are required in order to pass such tests.

And, much like those things that can interfere with an RF signal traveling down a piece of coax (like broken shielding, water in the cable, bad connectors, or a mismatched antenna), there are any number of psychomotor issues that can distort or even prevent the sound of the Morse character from being properly heard, interpreted and then correctly written down at the other end of that process.

So, as I said, because it IS such a complex, human activity, the ease of learning Morse varies widely throughout the population based on that long list of inherently human factors, many of which are completely beyond our control. My guess is that these two facts (along with the fact that there is no longer an international requirement that they do so) were probably among the most compelling reasons why the FCC finally dropped Morse testing entirely.

Call it genetics, the “way we are born" or what have you, but the simple truth is that we are NOT all put together exactly alike. But, unfortunately, since learning Morse is a singular activity, it is very easy to view another person's ability to learn it using a sample size of one…that is, our own experiences.

Now, certainly, as I've said, there ARE many people in our hobby who were (or are) just too lazy to get up off their finals to learn Morse. And that is certainly their choice.

But, for the “Morse testing forever” and "If I can learn it, so can you" crowd to now lay that same judgment on folks who absolutely CAN’T learn Morse no matter how hard they "work" at it is disingenuous at best and downright discriminatory at worst.

The bottom line here is that as much as the left-brained, engineer-types in our hobby obsessively seem to believe otherwise, we humans AREN’T all put together like our Amateur Radio transceivers that come off the assembly line with the same parts list, the same knobs on our “front panels” or the exact same genetic programming (psychomotor skills and abilities) uploaded into our “boot ROMs”.

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I think my 15-year-old daughter just summed up the basic problem we are now facing in the Amateur Service in the United States.

When I casually asked her if she might be interested in someday getting her Ham license, she said, "Why should I spend my time and effort learning a bunch of useless information just so I can talk to a bunch of old geezers?"

Yes, Emily, why, indeed?

Maybe we've all been so obsessed with keeping the entrance and advancement bars to our hobby SO high (with arcane Morse tests and all the other useless "hazing rituals" in our licensing system) that our Service has now become hopelessly out of touch with sociological and technological reality.

That is, maybe our Service HAS now become quite irrelevant to all but the geriatrics among us.

Or, to put it another way, maybe we HAVE now morphed ourselves into a Radio Service that is solely, "of, by and for…old geezers!"

73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WA2JJH on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Gee can peope not disagree with Keith. If you do, he just repeats his diatribe.

MIGHT AS WELL TERMINATE THE POST.

We have not lost our essence. Those of us that really love the electronics and experimentation of ham radio will be just fine!

We have not lost essence, we have gained trolls with call signs! :)

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4JF on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"…not to mention one's ability to properly form recognizable characters on a page and/or finding the correct key to depress on a typewriter. At least ONE of those additional skills are required in order to pass such tests. "

Gotcha, Keith!! No, not even one is required. (Or more correctly WAS required). It was always perfectly legal (and often done) to verbally dictate the received letters and/or words to an examiner. Again, no motor skills (and especially no motor skills specific to morse) were required once the FCC dropped the sending test, and that was 25+ years ago, I believe.

The exam, which I agree should not be required for HF access, was strictly mental for a number of years now.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KC0SUS on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I love it when it goes back to the code / no code.

We just have to admit it, ham radio has gotten so easy, even a cave man can do it!

When I get my NC extra next month, I'm putting in for KVØMAN as a vanity call sign...
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by PLANKEYE on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K4UUG HAS STATED:

We have lost nothing but have gained everything look forward not backward grow in the spirit and knowledge of this hobby / service ask not what the hobby / service can do for you but do everything you can as to grow the hobby / service into the future!We can start this by dropping the elitist attitudes some of us have,welcome new commers with open arms be the solution to the problem and not become the problem.
73
Rick
K4UUG

PLANKEYE:

Sir, I believe you have posted on other forums regarding this issue. Looking forward, growing the hobby, dropping the elitist attitude, welcoming newcomers with open arms, and not becoming the problem but becoming the solution is good. Sir, this is not something you have demonstrated in your previous posts.

PLANKEYE
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB1SF on March 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Jim (K4JF) wrote: "Gotcha, Keith!! No, not even one is required. (Or more correctly WAS required). It was always perfectly legal (and often done) to verbally dictate the received letters and/or words to an examiner. Again, no motor skills (and especially no motor skills specific to Morse) were required once the FCC dropped the sending test, and that was 25+ years ago, I believe.
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So, Jim, please share with us what you and your team did when one of your candidates was also unable to speak clearly. I had such a candidate once. As I recall, we finally ended up having him point to the letters on a piece of paper. And, the last time I checked, pointing WAS classified as a "motor skill".

As you and I discussed in a previous post, the so-called "accommodated" Morse procedures were marginally helpful for persons with the more common physical disabilities such as blindness or deafness. However they were WOEFULLY inadequate for persons with severe mental or physical handicaps.

Anyway, as you've said, the Morse testing issue is now history.

And I've also now said my piece on these issues. I've already wasted enough of my life's precious moments trying to invite horribly closed minds to look beyond their own distressing ignorance of the human condition and the knee-jerk dogma such ignorance tends to breed.

Or, as one of my former USAF Commanders once said, "It’s hard to soar like an eagle when you are working with turkeys"

'Nuff said.


73,

Keith
KB1SF / VA3KSF
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4JF on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"So, Jim, please share with us what you and your team did when one of your candidates was also unable to speak clearly. I had such a candidate once. As I recall, we finally ended up having him point to the letters on a piece of paper. And, the last time I checked, pointing WAS classified as a "motor skill"."

Pretty much as you did, Keith. As I have often said, there is always a way if we are just a little bit creative. And most people who are "otherwise qualified" but unable to speak clearly are able to write quite well, or even type. My point was that there is was no motor skill TO BE LEARNED for the code exam. If they used a motor skill, it was one they already had. In every case.

Of course the question arises: if a person is so severly handicapped as you speculate, maybe (just maybe) the privilege of a ham license is simply not attainable. Sad, maybe, but a fact.

Personally, I have seen people overcome disabilities that most of us would think a real barrier. THOSE are the people I really admire. The rest of us often do not realize just how fortunate we really are.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
And again I will argue that anyone serious enough, could pass the 5WPM code test! But that's really not what I was saying in a previous post. I do NOT like code, and never have! It was perfectly fine with me for them to drop THAT requirement, but I would have liked to seen something else replace it. Something that required a bit of real studying to learn, maybe like drawing a block diagram of an SSB receiver & transmitter. NOt the full schematic, but a good block diagram in the proper order.

All of these new Generals, that have been techs for the past 5 years, will probably not stay in the hobby, especially those who waited the FCC out. Oh they will be active for a while, and then will just drop out. There was no challange for them to get it.

So my posts are NOT about code/no code, they are about having to actually LEARN something, which would do more for sparking the interests of those wishing to join in.

Without ANY challanges in life, it WOULD become pretty booring. I know this new generation thinks they should have it all immeadiately...but that too would get booring. If you think about it, if you could obtaine everything you ever wanted in life, all at once, what do you do next?

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

PS.. Keith it did take me many times, and months to get past it. But after many failures, I hung in there and beat it! Being somewhat dislexic dot and dashes get all out of sync! And that was a serious handycap to get past. So I do truely believe anyone seriously wanting to, could do it as well.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by AG4RQ on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Alan, it didn't come easy to me either. I had many failed attempts. I had failed attempts twice in 1995, once in 1997 and again in 1998. I would get half through the character lessons and then confusion would set in. The characters would all begin sounding the same. Each time I would throw in the towel. At least I didn't fail any tests. I knew better than to try to take a code test unprepared. In 2000, I had something I didn't have before - determination. I persisted and kept at it and overcame it. If you really want it, it will come. It's when you tell yourself "I can't" and either never try or quit that you will never master it. All the excuses in the world will never justify one when they say they "can't."

For me, it wasn't an issue about code either. I said all along, if you remove the code test, replace it with something. The most practical "something" would be to make the written tests more comprehensive and take the pools out of the public domain. The no-coders didn't want that. They wanted it the easy way. Well, they got it. If something is too easy and is no challenge, why even bother? Can you imagine if this went on in professional sports? No-one would want to watch a game between a bunch of mediocre players on a couple of teams play a mediocre game. Why do people play chess? Why do they climb mountains? Why do they do anything? Because it is a challenge, not because it's easy. IMO, the Extra has become nothing more than a piece of spent toilet paper.

Keith thought that all the Extra stood for was snobbery. Not so. The Extra used to be the top license, the cream. The Extra used to be the license that one had to work hard for. You couldn't just go for it either. You had to wait 2 years either as a General or an Advanced (whichever your current license class was) before you could take the Extra exam. Yes, it was a status symbol, but it was much more. The Extra was the "Elmer's" license. Extras were the ones with the experience and knowledge, the ones that set the example in amateur radio. They were the ones that other hams would come to for help and for answers. Today, Extras ask the most rudimentary questions in the Elmer's forum on eHam. They ask questions that a Novice should know, such as the length of a dipole for a certain band, basic Ohm's Law questions, how to solder a PL-259 onto coax, and on and on.

Ham radio hasn't been dumbed down? You could fool me. If anyone thinks ham radio isn't dumbed down, they have their heads in the sand.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4JF on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Keith thought that all the Extra stood for was snobbery. Not so. The Extra used to be the top license, the cream. The Extra used to be the license that one had to work hard for. You couldn't just go for it either. You had to wait 2 years either as a General or an Advanced (whichever your current license class was) before you could take the Extra exam. Yes, it was a status symbol, but it was much more. The Extra was the "Elmer's" license. Extras were the ones with the experience and knowledge, the ones that set the example in amateur radio. They were the ones that other hams would come to for help and for answers."

Correct!! And THAT is what Extra should be.

Presently it is simply an exam, of - at most - tech school level (a good high school cirriculum will go far past).

That is why I advocate time in grade, maybe a mentoring requirement, maybe an activity requirement, something MORE than just a simple, basic exam for Extra. And (Keith and I agree on this) maybe some things should be limited to Extras, such as building amps, or maybe General should have a 200 watt limit (although there are enforcement problems with that).

Most other nations have an entry level (we don't), plus a General equivalent, and an advanced (that is far more difficult than our Extra).

I think that should be our pattern. A real entry level with power limits, and 2 years non-renewable (if it's renewable, it's not an entry level), then a General for 95% of us, then an Extra that really means something. And that, my friends, would be a real incentive licensing system once again.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Plankeye,

There's many of us that never post here but read some of the "goings on" here just for the heck of it. I get email from many commenting on this or that. UUG has been the topic of many of those i got in the past few months. You can't get on these threads and threaten people with childish playground "rants" and then not "reap what you sow". This guy has offended amateurs with his attitude and with what he has threatened to do when he finally gets on hf.

He can't even get a vanity call now to "hide" behind. He's even changed his profile here on eham after finally realizing the damage he's done to himself.

His call is being watched for on hf freqs. That twisted payback all the other hams attitude will show up sooner or later, no matter what he changes his call to, no place to go, no where to hide.

73 John WR8D
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Jim we already had what you're speaking of and it was our old novice class. I think you and i and hundreds of others came out of that background in pretty good shape as amateurs, as just good people to meet on the air. Everything is down hill now. Sorry to be so blunt but just look at us. Tune around on a weekend and listen to what you hear.

It cant be reversed now i don't believe either. After making it so easy to get a license they'll never do anything to make it any harder or use a little more brain power to get there.

It's that way in everything too, there's never any "going back" once it's done..no matter what the issue is in this country.

Have a good "rest of the week".

73 John WR8D
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by AG4RQ on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The ARRL is doing it again. Here is a copy of a post to SPAR from an Argentine ham:


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LU1DZ
Radioactive


Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Posts: 538
Location: Argentina
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: The Email Robots are coming to RTTY and CW...!!!

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Hello dear friends:

I want to know if outside USA amateurs can filled the petition against ARRL RM 11306 modification as KH6TY is explaining below.

73
Alberto LU1DZ

-o-0-o-.

The Email Robots are coming to RTTY!

ARRL is petitioning the FCC to allow Email Robots to
take over the HF bands under 10m.
You can read about the special meeting with the FCC
here:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hteller/11306-cont.pdf

I urge all of you not to be complacent about this
matter!

As an invited member of the original ARRL committee from which the
"bandwidth petition" sprang, I saw early on that the real intent of
the committee, chaired by the originator of Winlink, was to turn
control of the HF bands over to Winlink Email robots, and that
"segmentation by bandwidth" was merely a guise for doing this. I even
felt it necessary to issue a dissenting recommendation, which you may
read here:

http://www.zerobeat.net/bandplan-dissent.html

Now the ARRL is trying again, and in so doing,
divulging the true purpose behind their original "bandwidth
petition", by taking advantage of the fact
that CW has been dropped as a requirement, basically
leaving only RTTY and Data as important modes in the eyes of the
ARRL. You may notice the complete absence of CW as a mode in the table
of HF modes attached to the ARRL's Ex-parte attempted modification to
RM-11306, which may or may not actually be allowed, since it basically
scraps the concept of segmentation by bandwidth and preserves
segmentation by mode for all bands under 10m. I don't see how the FCC
can accept this magnitude of change to RM-11306 without requiring a
totally new petition and comment period.

However, just in case they do, I have put together a
simple explanation of how to file a comment and I strongly urge each
one of you to file a comment NOW if you value your ability to enjoy
RTTY and CW in the future. Please do not be complacent and assume
everything will be OK! Just take a couple of minutes to file a
comment. Here is a sample form to follow:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hteller/comment.htm

A flood of comments DOES influence the FCC. It worked to keep the
robots off the phone bands, so now we must again work to keep them
from taking over the RTTY and CW activity areas.

If you want to enjoy RTTY contesting and DXing in the future, please
help by simply clicking here:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

and commenting NOW!

73, Skip KH6TY
_________________
73
Pobre de espiritu aquel que alcanza una posicion de poder y solo la utiliza para su propio beneficio.
Alberto LU1DZ
http://www.geocities.com/lu1dz
http://gacw.no-ip.org


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Here is more from someone who posted to the "SolidCpyCW" Yahoo group:

Possibly a little OT, but I think the group will want
to know:

Bill
N5BIA
SKCC2367

This is forwarded from the QRP-l reflector.

It looks like the ARRL has visited the backdoor of the
FCC and is
lobbying
to kill regulation by bandwidth, all considerate
operating guides and
CW.
This has been done without even asking members about
it. Is it time to
be
concerned?

Terry, KQ5U

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex" <extraham@earthlink.net>
To: <qrp-l@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:31 PM
Subject: [QRP-L] ARRL assault on (QRP) CW

> Hi there,
>
> The top echelon of the ARRL and its counsel have met
with the FCC, on
> February 13th 2007, to change their petition on
regulation by
bandwidth
> (RM-11306). Indeed, after the deadline for comments
and reply
comments
> have expired:
>
>
http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6518726280
>
> The changes they now propose will in effect allow
(automated and
> non-automated) RTTY and data transmissions up to
3kHz wide in those
> portions of the HF band you now traditionally find
only CW. If you
read
> the appendix carefully and compare that to their
original proposal
you can
> see that they have dropped bandwidth segment
divisions for all but
the ten
> meter band.
>
> If you thought that CW operations were relatively
safe under the
original
> regulation by bandwidth proposal because the
proposed bandwidths were
so
> narrow in your segment of interest to be useful for
high speed data,
well,
> it is not anymore. The new proposal allows for RTTY
and data up to 3
kHz
> wide to be transmitted all the way down to where you
now
traditionally
> only find CW transmissions.
>
> One may wonder why the membership is not informed of
this meeting and
the
> dramatic changes in the petition. This new proposal
is not only
harmful to
> (QRP) CW operations but also to operations outside
the USA and its
> territories.
>
> As you can see from their meeting record, the ARRL
argues that a
revision
> of the petition was necessary because of recent rule
changes. One of
the
> big rule changes is of course the dropping of the
Morse Code
proficiency
> test. Perhaps the ARRL expects CW to eventually
disappear and has
already
> begun the refarming of the CW portions of the HF
bands. You probably
> noticed the recent request on the ARRL web site for
expertise on HF
> Digital Communications.
>
> If you haven't done so before, now is a good time to
let the FCC and
the
> ARRL know what you think of this revised proposal so
that you don't
get
> reminded one day that you should have taken action,
when that robot
> station pierces your ears during your pleasant
Sunday afternoon CW
sked.
> You can file additional comments through the FCC's
ECFS system:
>
> http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi
>
> and you can contact the ARRL through the usual
channels.
>
> 73,
> --Alex KR1ST
> http://www.kr1st.com

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KD2BD on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
AG4RQ wrote:

> Alan, it didn't come easy to me either. I had many
> failed attempts. I had failed attempts twice in 1995,
> once in 1997 and again in 1998. I would get half
> through the character lessons and then confusion
> would set in. The characters would all begin
> sounding the same. Each time I would throw in the
> towel. At least I didn't fail any tests. I knew
> better than to try to take a code test unprepared.
> In 2000, I had something I didn't have before -
> determination. I persisted and kept at it and
> overcame it. If you really want it, it will come.
> It's when you tell yourself "I can't" and either
> never try or quit that you will never master it.
> All the excuses in the world will never justify
> one when they say they "can't."

Boy... Change the dates to the mid-70s and early 80s and that's EXACTLY my story as well.

Learning CW was not an easy or natural process for me at all. It was like I was turning my thinking, reasoning brain off, and training myself to become a robot.

During my last attempt at learning CW, I put myself under so much pressure (because I wanted to start with an Advanced Class license and had to pass a 13 WPM test) that I would wake up in the middle of the night with my teeth clenched so hard I thought they would all get crushed under the intense pressure. I couldn't open my mouth, no matter how hard I tried.

My dogged determination eventually paid off. With daily practice, I eventually earned an ARRL Code Proficiency Certificate and a 15 WPM endorsement prior to taking my official FCC exam:

http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/certificate_of_code_proficiency-small.gif

There was talk about creating a code-free license back then too (early '80s), but I wanted no part of it. I wanted to be held to the same standards the people I respected and admired most also satisfied.

The fact that I put myself through hell to get my license doesn't make me a "snob". If anything, it made me humble.

Those who feel they are "above" putting themselves through a similar ordeal to achieve similar success are the REAL "snobs", in my opinion, for these people are too afraid of failure to try, and so do nothing, and succeed.


73, de John, KD2BD


 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Thats what I have been saying...anyone who wanted it bad enough, worked thru it and got it! People today don't want to work out anything...they think it is OWED to them, its their right, and the govt has gone along with it.

I have never bought into the CRAP of Extra's being snobs. I had to work for mine back in the lat 60's.
And personally I think there should be a wait period today.. Tech 1 yr. General 2 yrs then you can take the Extra. At the very least that would show that someone was hanging in there and truely wanted it!

No one in this world is OWED anything in Life....you have to go out and EARN it!

And if you think for one minute, that I am going to look down on someone who got a free ride in life, and I had to earn my way...you are DAMNED right I am! And that isn't being a SNOB, I earned that right, when I PAID my way and YOUR way!

73 de W4LGH - Alan


 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by G3LBS on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well they've sure lost the 'Essence' of ham radio in Iraq, by closing them down.
What a mistake - Communication is just what they need.
They should be encouraging ham radio there.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KX8N on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"And that isn't being a SNOB, I earned that right, when I PAID my way and YOUR way! "

You didn't pay anybody else's way, bud. Get off your highhorse.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by UC1AWX on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
first RX I built was a 3 transistor hyterodyne (not _super_hyterodyne!) for 80/40m. I swear it worked better than damn YB-400PE for CW an SSB.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by UC1AWX on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
NI0C
>>
agree with others that there seems no basis for your claim about the lack of kits. Have you seen the advertisements and product reviews in QST for kits by Elecraft and others?

A fully loaded Elecraft K2 certainly qualifies as a "big rig," and their serial numbers are upwards of 6000 now.
<<

Well. And what, beside soldering, do you learn from them?
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by UC1AWX on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
>>
So "George" had high-voltage on the chassis of something - and his solution to that serious problem was to tell people not to touch it?
<<
Ha-ha! I saw wire going from RX' antenna socket straight to AC power socket - giving a Looooong Wire ant.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by PLANKEYE on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D:

John, I understand what you are saying. It is unfortunate that this gentleman chooses his actions within this forum in the manner that he does. Treating people with respect goes along way. Thank you Sir for your reply to me. Means alot John. You take care and very best 73. God Bless!!

PLANKEYE
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by NI0C on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
UC1AWX asks (with regard to building a K2): "what, beside soldering, do you learn from them?"

First, the quote from me was in a context where I questioned the author's claim about the lack of kits.

However, you ask a very good question. In terms of assembly work, one shouldn't) be learning how to solder when building a K2. One should already be skilled in soldering. I suppose I didn't really learn much about electronics during the assembly process. The instructions were very explicit and straightforward. However, when it came time to align the K2, I did develop my own BFO alignment procedure that worked better for my application than the Elecraft procedure.

Your question really is "what does kit-building have to do with the 'essence'of ham radio?" Perhaps not very much.

During my high school years, I came across an older ham who built one of the "HBR" receivers from the ARRL Handbook. It was a beautiful piece of work, but the fellow never went on the air. He may as well not have had a license. I felt sorry for him, as I was on the air every day, just as I am now. For me the "essence" of ham radio is getting on the air, making contacts-- using those frequencies that we've been licensed to use.

Thank you for helping me to clarify my thoughts on this question.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by UC1AWX on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
to NI0C

:) Right to the point of 'essence'. Thanks.

I'm just overwhelmed with technology. Digits everywhere, and one bit error can cause $.001 or $1000000 damage. For digits it doesn't matter. Like recent total loss of navigation by bunch of F-22 crossing Pacific. We have to find some balance between digit and analog in control circuits, or some day civilization will BSOD.

P.S. I'm software engineer, that's why I'm so pissimistic :(
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KX8N wrote ~"You didn't pay anybody else's way, bud. Get off your highhorse."~

How do you figure I am not paying anyone elses way? What world do you live in? Every welfare check, SS benefit, and now, I am paying the way for people in Iraq! Better wake up, as we are all paying for these things everytime the govt writes a check! No highhorse here, just a fact Jack!

Now that we are practically giving away Ham license's, next these people will want Radios! Its their RIGHT, since they have a license to own a radio they can't afford. Where does all this craziness STOP?

Now they want to give away $847BILLION to support illegal aliens...when all it would take is a BUS ride back across the border! And anyone else in this country that wants a free ride in life, they can get on that bus too!

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com


 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4JF on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Every welfare check, SS benefit,"

YOU are not paying for "every SS benefit". We who worked and paid all those years are getting back less than what we put in, so I paid for mine (several times over) and you will do the same for yours (if you live long enough - and, of course, I hope you do).

Don't group them with welfare checks, which are NOT a return on investment. Not even a fractional one.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The SS checks are also grouped! Yes you PAID for yours and somebody elses, just like I have. I have paid the max in long time ago, and I am still paying...which will go to others if the govt doesn't use it all up for other things first. Thats why its called SOCIAL bud...but there are a lot of recepeients
receiving this money that NEVER PAID a dime into it. Who do you think is paying for this? Why do you think you will only get a small fraction of what you paid in, to the ratio of what you will get back? Where did the difference go? Come on guy get real, every DOLLAR the govt spends on no matter what, came out of the taxpayers pockets. Last I checked I was one of those paying taxes..Lots of them.

 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W2DIP on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Very nice story. I enjoyed it but question whether the essence of ham radio is to build things yourself. Perhaps for you it is but for others it may be something else.

The essence of ham radio for me is being able to sort through the mounds of hype and just plan wrong science and select cost effective gear that allows me to talk all over the world using a $30 dipole tossed on the floor of my attic using the same power as my light bulb in the room.

As I found in another hobby of mine, it is often those that fiddle with or build their own that experience all the problems and seem to spend more time trying to make things work than on the actual goal of the hobby. This is not a bad thing as I know hams who enjoy the experimenting, building it themselves aspect of the hobby much more than getting on the air. In some cases, transmitting is merely just another testing phase and when done, move on to the next project.

Nothing wrong with enjoying various aspects of the hobby but I do not think we can say that DYI is the essence of Ham Radio. A facet of the hobby yes, a necessity at one time but not the essence, at least not now. I believe that the essence of ham radio is man's natural desire to extend his reach and influence beyond his immediate environment. Much like the internet and cell phones it is another tool for man to use to feed this desire. To that end, it must compete with these other forms for the attention of our young people who have not been brought up in a culture of building things for themselves but rather learned the new and modern skill of determining which pre-assembled item to buy.

Then there are the hams who think the essence of the hobby is to talk as much as possible without dropping the carrier :)

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Alan, be cool.

Nowdays we can no longer fight the establishment. We live in a gimmy gimmy world. I honestly know where you're coming from and agree completely with you.

One of just many things that bothers me in this "free world" is callsigns. In my call area i had to work really hard to get this call before they were all taken up. Nowdays you can come off chickenband and be dumber than a box of rocks and buy yourself the call of some "honored" amateur that's become sk.

We get called snob and elite old farts etc because folks like you and me are the constant reminder to them that they simply could not make the grade. They had to wait until it was given to them or they could buy it. We don't have to say a single word or do a thing..they see a call look it up see the holder has been around a few years then it starts.

SSI pukes me here in my part of the country too, i work every day as i have since i was 16. 50 percent of the population around here is off on a check for a bad back but run the mountains on their four wheelers and hunt and fish. How can they do this and get away with it and still profess to have a medical problem. Years and years of us paying in and then by the time "our" time comes around it will all be gone. Payed out to the welfare minded, i want a check but don't want to work for it type, and they get completely away with it.

Now it's i want an amateur license but should'nt have to work to get it. I want a fancy callsign and now i can buy it. Those don't mean anything at all nowdays due to the fact that anyone can buy one. Nowdays it's no differant than being on chickenband and making ones self up a cb handle. They even get to pick from several calls they'd like to have in the hopes of getting one of them. Gimmy gimmy gimmy...It's not a better system but the welfare minded and that system are taking over in every aspect of our lives.

When we confront them here on the web it only brings more aggravation to us. You could not beat sense into their heads if your life depended on it. My daughter is a perfect example or "them", she's a RN and makes more than me. She's all the time crying i don't have this or that and dad your home is payed for and you got all that land...yeah and "they" say...you've been a ham for all those years and have all that gear and whaaaaaaaa...i wannabe just like you but i'm to stupid to do it...whaaaaaaaa i'm gonna call you names now because you constantly remind me i'm really not that smart...whaaaaaaaaaa...i'll buy me a fancy call now and at least i'll look like one of you guys when i id.....whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I can get on hf now and fit in with the best of you.

From what many of us are hearing on the bands i don't think so. Nothing about having a snob attitude at all involved with it either. Facts are facts it pisses many off but the truth is just to obvious to deny.

The essence of amateur radio is having a ruff time in some places.

Whaaaaaaa...i've got to buy me a dipole because i'm to stupid to take two pieces of wire and a piece of plastic for a fast center insulator and make me an antenna...whaaaaaa i can't figure out how to put this antenna tuner inline..." Antenna in "...."transmitter in"...go figure...Whaaaaaaaaa...i got to use a foot switch to key my amplifier because that's how i did it on cb...Go figure again all that's needed is a radio shack rca patch cable "ground/center lead" most the newer rigs have the jack right there on the back just plug one end into the rig antenna relay jack and the other into the amp relay jack...whaaaaaaaaaa that's to hard.

I just wannabe like you is all i want but since i can't i'm going to call you names and all that.

Gee guys, get a life. We're not the problem...you are, think about and let is sink in for a while.

Alan, lets just radio and do the things we love in this hobby. Sooner or later these guys always want us to do something for them, then we just need to remember.

Spring is sprang'n here in Wv and the wife and i have been checking out our favorite fishing holes. I've got the bass boat all waxed up and just about ready to go...even there at out get away i see the same attitudes in people. If you have something they don't...they want it. They don't want to work for it either, they'll steal it. If they can't steal it then they want to just do something to it that will make it not look or be as perfect as it was. You know where i'm coming from it's back to the welfare gimmy gimmy ego and attitude seen in the new ham...seen in every aspect of life.

73 Pal,

Let's go put some of these drakes on the air.

John WR8D

It's just life i guess, things are changing sometimes not for the better either. Just be all "you" can be and the hell with the rest of them.



 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4JF on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"...experience all the problems and seem to spend more time trying to make things work than on the actual goal of the hobby..."

That IS the actual goal of the hobby! Not just yakkin - there are many more effective ways to do that.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4UUG on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Vinny che l'operatore della radio dei CB si sviluppa in su e che si comporta come un uomo.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4UUG on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
1.W8RD "This guy has offended amateurs with his attitude!"

2.W8RD "UUG has threatened to do when he finally gets on hf."


1. Hum He who dares not offend cannot be honest.

2.Show US where I posted and threatened to do what? when I get on hf?

3.Hey JOHNNY my next upgrade will be Extra Class and soon,As of now I can pass the extra exam on eham with 80% when I get 85% every time I take it I will go to the VE testing site in april or may and upgrade and become an Extra class just like you Johnny can we be friends and talk on hf phone sometime?because CW well you know that story.Oh yea I sent in my VE paper work along with my ve test soon I will be a VE.

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
UUG, i did'nt save your postings but all here remember how you acted and what you threatened to do "when" you got your upgrade. Even that little pic on your profile that you've removed now. We all know you, we're just waiting for the "you" that we've seen here to show up on the bands.

All i can say is you better dot the i's and cross your t's when you get on the bands.

By becoming a ve you can let all your good buddies now that don't even want to study be just like you...go from nothing to extra in an hour.

It means nothing now pal, you could toote your horn some a while back but now you just join the mulitudes. Go ahead like the rest of them and get yourself one of those real nice one by two calls that used to be cherished. Even then you won't be able to hide yourself. K4UUG or what ever the call you end up with...it's only a short matter of time.

You'll never be able to resist being "you". Don't try the "why what did i say and do" routine either. We've all read your postings and are waiting to call your hand.

WR8D
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by QSYING on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
On 1-18-2007 K4UUG Posted:

<<So Now You're HF-Active. Reply
by K4UUG on January 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

...2.I am so happy to see the change ! I will advance to Extra Class as soon as the 30 days is up, I have my TWO CSCEs and I am loving it!...>>

On 3-22-2007 K4UUG Posted:

<<RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio? Reply
by K4UUG on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend

...3.Hey JOHNNY my next upgrade will be Extra Class and soon,As of now I can pass the extra exam on eham with 80% when I get 85% every time I take it I will go to the VE testing site in april or may and upgrade and become an Extra class...>>

So, did the dog eat one of the two CSCEs that was mentioned in the first post? :-)

73,

Bob - KC9JUB
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4UUG on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
qsying "I am so happy to see the change ! I will advance to Extra Class as soon as the 30 days is up, I have my TWO CSCEs and I am loving it!."

QSYING yep my 2 csces did expire before the change I had to take both exams again I passed the General and missed my extra by 1 question 14 wrong out of 50 not too bad for off the top of my head with out study so I will soon retest and I will advance keep checking QRZ !ha ha John Boy eating his words show me where I made threats never did John Boy.QSYING you cant even use your own call sign when you post here grow up Keep up the 9th grade personal attacks we love ya it shows how ignorant you are!
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'm certainly not eating my words. All anyone would need to do is go back through some of the code/nocode crap you spewed at all of us. Now from the looks of your last post here the old you is about to come out like we remember.

Nothing you can say now, will change what you promised and threatened then. Did they change your medicine or something? Don't you remember how you acted here.

Matters not, we remember.

WR8D
 
W8RD Lost the 'Essence' of his CB Radio key board  
by K4UUG on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
1.WR8D "We all know you, we're just waiting for the "you" that we've seen here to show up on the bands."

2.W8RD "All I can say is you better dot the i's and cross your t's when you get on the bands."

1.AW JOHN BOY you are so full of it your eyes are brown go brush your one tooth I am on the HF bands.

2.Give K4ZDH an EMAIL fccham(AT)fcc.gov show him what a Dumb Azz you are. "record and time stamp my azz"wr8d your words John Boy.

John Boy I just cant wait to see you in person I bet you look as stupid as you sound.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4UUG on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
w8rd "Nothing you can say now, will change what you promised and threatened then."


John Boy What I promised was the FCC would remove the Morse Code CW Requirement for any class FCC licensed Amateur.Hello John Boy they did just what I said they would do.No Threats !

This it what drives you nuts

1. I am not opposed to manual Morse code operation CW. But Morse code CW is just another mode and should not be afforded any special priority over others. It is available to those who wish to use it. Morse CW proficiency should not be required for those who do not wish to use the mode.

2. CW Manual radiotelegraphy communications has been superceded by more modern, reliable, accurate, faster and efficient means of communication.

3. Requiring manual telegraphy CW proficiency is not compatible with the radio amateur's mandated objective of contributing to the advancement of the radio art.

4. No evidence exists that CW Morse proficiency is an indicator of a desirable, motivated or better qualified operator.

5. The Morse code CW requirement serves as an advancement barrier to many otherwise qualified individuals.

6. The value of CW Morse code communications in the Amateur Service is primarily recreational in nature and manual telegraphy proficiency should no longer be a compulsory licensing requirement for any class of Amateur Radio license.

7. The most challenging problem is our attitude towards newcomers and our focus on the mode of CW as the defining characteristic of Amateur Radio. If you do not operate the mode CW, or if you are not proficient with the CW mode, then you are not a real ham radio operator. This is our most challenging problem our attitude towards change. If we can overcome this Elitists hurdle, promoting Amateur Radio for the future is the easy part. (ARRL Past President, Rod Stafford, W6ROD, wrote of similar issues - I encourage you to read it.)

8. I do not have good ideas on how to change the Elitists attitudes. I wish I did because I believe the Elitists attitude is the Achilles Heel of the Amateur Radio Hobby / Service. Changing our attitude towards change and new comers is a key part of growing Amateur radio into the future.

9. In my opinion the U.S. Government was in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act by not delimiting a test which is no longer required under International treaty, and which discriminates against those with certain disabilities.

10. Learning Code with Disabilities such as Adult attention deficit disorder or those with trauma injuries to the head, is impossible. Many of these individuals have often developed low self-esteem and negative perceptions of themselves as a result of cumulative academic, social, and vocational failures. Many have been labeled as “having a bad attitude,” “a slow learner,” “lacking, motivation”, “immature,” “lazy,” "slacker," “spacey,” or “self-centered.” Rather than viewing their difficulties as the result of an inherited or acquired neurobiological disorder, many have come to accept the unsubstantiated belief that they themselves are to blame for their problems.


11.The FCC removed the CW mode testing requirement for any class amateur radio license class for these reasons now the elitists need to get over it and move on and be part of the solution to the problem and not the problem!.


That just kills you john boy!
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Now, that's some of the you we remember.

That streak in you has just got to show it's self on hf. Like it does here so clearly, and like you've promised us.

--... ...-- sorry i know that makes you go nuts but i just could'nt resist!

WR8D



 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by PLANKEYE on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K4UUG HAS STATED:

1.W8RD "This guy has offended amateurs with his attitude!"

2.W8RD "UUG has threatened to do when he finally gets on hf."


1. Hum He who dares not offend cannot be honest.

2.Show US where I posted and threatened to do what? when I get on hf?

3.Hey JOHNNY my next upgrade will be Extra Class and soon,As of now I can pass the extra exam on eham with 80% when I get 85% every time I take it I will go to the VE testing site in april or may and upgrade and become an Extra class just like you Johnny can we be friends and talk on hf phone sometime?because CW well you know that story.Oh yea I sent in my VE paper work along with my ve test soon I will be a VE.

PLANKEYE:

Sir, I am not speaking for everyone within Ham Radio, on the air or in this forum. This is from me! You have called me a troll when I called you on some of the things you said. You dismissed my questions regarding your attitude. You disrespect people. The post above disrespected John. You get under the skin of people until they say something out of frustration in response to you. That doesn't work with me Rick. I think you know that. Sir, you are doing nothing to contribute to the growth of this hobby or human fellowship. If I am wrong, prove it!! God Bless!!

PLANKEYE
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KC8VWM on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Don't worry K4UUG, nobody cares about the fact that you don't personally like CW. Really...

Before I start my little rant let me clarify the fact that I am the holder of a technician class license so don't get any ideas that I am a higher license class than yourself and this post is just another "Us vs. Them" type of mentality post because my license class is exactly just like the one you hold yourself.

What the underlying issue we have here really is the "in your face" attitude you seem to have demonstrated toward hams that have proudly taken the time to achieve and pass a CW proficiency exam in years past.

Are you blaming them for having a level of CW proficiency under their belt? Now who's being the elitist here?

My advice is to suggest that you respect those that have been involved in the art of amateur radio a heck of a lot longer than you have been doing it. I would even suggest you might actually take the time to acquire and learn a few skills from them along the way. Heck, I know I did and I couldn't be more thankful to them for doing so. So should you!

Like it or not, achieving mutual respect from your fellow ham radio peers is going to be a two way street regardless of what license class you hold.

The level of CW proficiency you have or have not achieved under your belt does not change this fact one little bit.

You see, that's how it works in reality land - so you might as well get over it and understand how the basic social mechanics of this works.

For example, today's first lesson in amateur radio is not to expect to achieve mutual respect from anyone if your intention is to continue conducting yourself in the manner you seem to be consistently demonstrating toward hams who hold a higher level of license class than yourself.

For example, anyone following this thread have clearly seen you demonstrate this elitist attitude toward John, W8RD.

Pot meet kettle 10-4?

Basically, you won't last long in this hobby if you don't get along with other people.

Even Riley himself has admitted and I quote:

"If there's a downfall in Amateur Radio, it won't be caused by no-code Technicians or codeless anything else," he said. "It'll be caused by the microphone--no doubt in my mind."

So basically this translates to mean that you either take such advice from more experienced radio amateurs such as John, W8RD gracefully, or you may choose to continue engaging other hams in a senseless debate on the subject which will eventually lead to the idea of probably reading your callusing listed in some future FCC violation report.

You have my comments. What you decide to do with them in the future is your own destiny. Quite frankly, it's your ticket, not mine. Good luck.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by QSYING on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K$UUG:

<<Boy.QSYING you cant even use your own call sign when you post here grow up Keep up the 9th grade personal attacks we love ya it shows how ignorant you are! >>

My call sign is at the bottom of the posting.

What I do, what I don't do, is frankly none of your business.

What I type speaks for itself. What you type speaks for itself. We will leave it at that.

KC9JUB
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4UUG on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
WR8D
"Now, that's some of the you we remember "

So John Boy where are the threats I made go brush your one tooth !
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4UUG on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"more experienced radio amateurs such as John, W8RD"


HA HA HA HA HA NOW THATS A JOKE! RUMOR HAS IT JOHN BOY PAID MONEY FOR HIS TICKET !
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
John WR8D wrote~"Gee guys, get a life. We're not the problem...you are, think about and let is sink in for a while. Alan, lets just play radio and do the things we love in this hobby. Sooner or later these guys always want us to do something for them, then we just need to remember."~ Actually John the problem IS ours, as we have to PAY for all of it, our and theirs! But I do know where you were coming from.. and agree 100%.
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Now for K4UUG....
On 1-18-2007 K4UUG Posted:
<<So Now You're HF-Active. Reply
by K4UUG on January 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
...2.I am so happy to see the change ! I will advance to Extra Class as soon as the 30 days is up, I have my TWO CSCEs and I am loving it!...>>
On 3-22-2007 K4UUG Posted:
<RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio? Reply
by K4UUG on March 22, 2007 Mail this to a friend
...3.Hey JOHNNY my next upgrade will be Extra Class and soon,As of now I can pass the extra exam on eham with 80% when I get 85% every time I take it I will go to the VE testing site in april or may and upgrade and become an Extra class...>>

So, did the dog eat one of the two CSCEs that was mentioned in the first post? :-) hahahahahahaha..that was Great Bob!!

You know I seem to remember a Ham radio operator that had his license revoked for mental incompetence. It is very easy to see that K4UUG is 1-either seriously mentally disturbed/incompetent or 2- very immature and has no idea whats going on in the world. My best recommendations are that we can file a petition with the FCC to block a mentally disturbed person from operating on the air waves.

It is totally useless to continue to argue with a mentally disturbed person. From his posts, he is only trying to totally and single handedly distroy ham radio as it is. Maybe he thinks he is .......

"SUPER-HAM K4UUG", able to blow out the filaments of a legal limit amplifier with a single puff, able to generate as much QRM on the air as he's done on eHam, & able to distroy ALL antenna towers with a simple touch! Look up in the sky...Yes...its Numb-Nutz, no its Ding-Bat, noooooo...its "Super-Ham K4UUG"


I done now...tossing my soapbox out the window. And YES John WR8D, sooner or later they do come to us to fix something for them! Have had many over the past 6 months. What goes around , will come back around, if you wait long enough, and guys like K4UUG will hang themselves if we just give them enough rope!

73 all..de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com


 
W4LGH, W8RD,KC9JUB Lost in the RF  
by K4UUG on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W4LGH "we can file a petition with the FCC to block a mentally disturbed person from operating on the air waves."


Alan please send that petition to K4ZDH his E-mail is fccham (AT) fcc.gov show him what a idiot you are. I would love to turn my 13 yr old grandson loose on you and the other idiots here he was the one doing most of the fighting with you and the other idiots here on EHAM he was defending his pawpa opinion about the the morse code issue which now is a mute point.I told him not to fight with those idiots here because the TRUTH my friend stands on its own.73 MY FRIENDS !
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
See what i mean UUG.

Some are speaking up now, did you think you could just lay low for a little while and then come back and it all be forgotten?

FCC enforcement is just a little while away. You just can't help being "you".

WR8D
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Now trying to lay all that past garbage on your grandson? Aren't you something.

I guess he was the one that put that idiot picture on your profile too. Remember after you called every ham in the country all those names you wanted us all to go have a look at your profile.


You probably think we're going to believe you now???

As we say here in the hills.." it ain't gonna happen bub".

You reap what you sow. From just the few comments from you above it's clear to all here reading that you've not changed one bit....Oh ok we understand...it's the grandson again...

"hi hi"....pitiful !!!

WR8D

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
God...what a cheap shot..."It was my Grandson"! You are even less a person than I thought you were! Or you are more mentally disturbed than I originally thought, and I am really believing the latter is true.
You really need to seek some serious professional help K4UUG. They have a lot of new meds that can really help these days.

By the way, this isn't me typing, its my 33lb CAT. I left my computer on so he has taken over for me while I am at work!

73 de W4LGH - Wingfield 'er Alan
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I wonder what K1UUG would say if he were around to see his son's, "K4UUG" posts! And for a "Born again Christian" you sure are quick to make ugly remarks about people.

I guess that why all of you "Hardcore Christians" scare the hell out of me...So far off the deep end.

Anyway your Dad K1UUG, would NOT believe what his son is try to do to Ham radio.

Sad....
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4UUG on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W4LGH - YOU CAN DISH OUT THE CRAP YOU SHOVEL BUT WHEN SOMEONE GIVES IT BACK.YOU SNIVIL AND MOAN AND PASS JUDGEMENT ON PEOPLE I FORGIVE YOU MY FRIEND.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by PLANKEYE on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K4UUG STATED:

W4LGH - YOU CAN DISH OUT THE CRAP YOU SHOVEL BUT WHEN SOMEONE GIVES IT BACK.YOU SNIVIL AND MOAN AND PASS JUDGEMENT ON PEOPLE I FORGIVE YOU MY FRIEND.

PLANKEYE:

Sir, I believe you can dish out your remarks here within this forum, however, when someone calls you on them you run. Some of the people you engage in these forums get mad and frustrated at your behavior. They in turn may say things out of frustration because of your behavior. I think you like it when folks get frustrated and out of control. I have not yet heard you debate someone in a respectful manner regarding the very things you have posted. I have asked you numerous times "respectfully" to explain yourself. You never do. Yes Rick I have heard the "I don't respond to trolls who don't post a call sign". Your hiding. I think you are afraid of people like me Rick. People that hold you accountable for what you say, and ask you to explain yourself and your values. I will tell you this Sir, your disrespect within these forums regarding this hobby is sad and unproductive. Just a thought Sir.

One other thing Rick. Can I ask you what you are doing to promote fellowship and goodwill within Ham Radio, on this site and on the air?

PLANKEYE
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K4UUG wrote ~"W4LGH - YOU CAN DISH OUT THE CRAP YOU SHOVEL BUT WHEN SOMEONE GIVES IT BACK.YOU SNIVIL AND MOAN AND PASS JUDGEMENT ON PEOPLE I FORGIVE YOU MY FRIEND."~

I haven't "SNIVILED" nor "MOANED", nor have I been disrespectful. I seriously think you have some serious mental problems, and need to seek professional help! And you SIR proclamed youself that you were a hardcore Born again Christian! I find your behavior not fitting of the title. You should know of all of us, the phrase...Judge Not, and thou shall NOT be Judged, but you have judged everyone on here, so suck it up bud...and get that professional help before its to late.

PS...and I am NOT going to blame this post on my Cat!
I said it! W4LGH

 
Essence remains the same, context changes...  
by WB7AVF on March 24, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
My "elmers"--a term unused at the time--were Ken Cole (sk) W7IDF, and yeah, I guess my dad, ex-W7EWO, and my godfather, Manuel Medina Peralta (sk) XE1N. Ken would have us over to Vashon Island for Christmas or other dinners (fabulous Armenian food courtesy his wife Phyllis), would take us kids up in his light plane ("no radio, no avionics" he would say), would talk about his high school years at Queen Anne in Seattle with my dad, about Alaska, about his merchant marine days in China, about travel to Mexico (where I was born after my dad moved there), and then would let me watch him fire up his old tube rigs, or latest acquistion at the time: the FT101, or the HW8...would take me to the KING FM xmtr plant where he worked on Vashon...got me a subscription to 73 magazine (which he wrote for, and not only QRP articles but whimsical ones worthy of Wayne W2NSD's piquant sense of everthing). And then my dad gave me an old rig he'd had after WW2. I studied for the code and theory and sat for the Novice, W7IDF my examiner. I passed! Another ham lent me an ancient Collins rcvr. I had a 14AVQ vertical. I built dipoles. Little single stage QRP radios. Then I went back and on to my music career. Now I do both things. Thanks Ken, Harry Lewis W7JWJ, my dad ex-W7EW0 and my godfather, astronomer extraordinaire XE1N. THAT'S what ham radio and SWL mean.
 
RE: Essence remains the same, context changes...  
by WN2RUJ on March 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I have been facinated by the conversation on this thread. Lets take a vote, Which one of us is Willie Lohman? (Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller).
As the world that I knew is close to being wiped out like a magnet on a reel to reel tape, I try to hold on to the memories. In many arenas of life I am disapointed by the loss of tradition. While my family wants me to revere the memory of a grandfather the died before I was born I don't want to be in a position to revere the memory of the code. I came back to HF after a 29 year absence. It was towards the bottom of this cycle. It was a painful process to pick out the first SSB rig I ever had. I tuned (not scanned) through band and heard silence. Was the new Yaesu not working properly. I really don't have enough knowledge despite 33 years of radio and an engineering background. I felt much better once I was able to make a few DX code contacts. The world moves faster. People don't care about understanding. Someone else will do that for us and get paid well. I have found that ham radio transcends all areas of my life. People are amazed that I can fix anything.(as most of you can as well) They want to know how I learned all this. Partially due to my involvement in radio I learned to make something from nothing and not be afraid of trying to figure something out or taking on a challenge. The irony is that off the air I really avoid talking to people but my hobby is communication. If we don't start being civil to one another I may have to take a sledge hammer to all of my fuses.
 
RE: Essence remains the same, context changes...  
by WN2RUJ on March 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I have been facinated by the conversation on this thread. Lets take a vote, Which one of us is Willie Lohman? (Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller).
As the world that I knew is close to being wiped out like a magnet on a reel to reel tape, I try to hold on to the memories. In many arenas of life I am disapointed by the loss of tradition. While my family wants me to revere the memory of a grandfather the died before I was born I don't want to be in a position to revere the memory of the code. I came back to HF after a 29 year absence. It was towards the bottom of this cycle. It was a painful process to pick out the first SSB rig I ever had. I tuned (not scanned) through band and heard silence. Was the new Yaesu not working properly. I really don't have enough knowledge despite 33 years of radio and an engineering background. I felt much better once I was able to make a few DX code contacts. The world moves faster. People don't care about understanding. Someone else will do that for us and get paid well. I have found that ham radio transcends all areas of my life. People are amazed that I can fix anything.(as most of you can as well) They want to know how I learned all this. Partially due to my involvement in radio I learned to make something from nothing and not be afraid of trying to figure something out or taking on a challenge. The irony is that off the air I really avoid talking to people but my hobby is communication. If we don't start being civil to one another I may have to take a sledge hammer to all of my fuses.
 
RE: Essence remains the same, context changes...  
by WR8D on March 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Marc, some of what you read here is actually on the air nowdays. Those of us that have enjoyed this hobby are constantly in a ruckus with misfits. It's human nature i guess, and as it gets easier to obtain an amateur license we get more and more that are on a lower evolutionary curve, sad to say it that way but that's the way it looks.

What are we to do, just turn the dial and ignore it and hope it goes away or make a stand and try to maintain the high moral standards that have made amateur radio what it is world wide??? Me, i'll make the stand.

I'll make it here on these threads and i'll certainly do it on hf. On the bands to confront it personally will only get you cussed out or worse, there all that's needed is a little cd recorded and time stamped with the freq where you hear the abuse and then just send it to Riley. He will bring it to an end if we only take the time to do our little part.

I was alway taught that hams would self police our bands and report abuse to the proper persons. In this day of no morals, we have to either just let it go and watch it all go down the drain or try to keep it sounding clean and respectful like it was always meant to be. Look at the recent news, over fifty percent of our current college students binge drink and use drugs. This is our future. That's what we all as parents are turning out. Low morals, no respect for ourselves not to even mention respect for others.

Amateur radio is a slice humanity, don't take a hammer to the rigs. We're about to start another solar cycle in a few years and the dx will be wild. They are predicting a record cycle this time. If you hear filth etc, report it to Riley.

Enjoy radio and don't let the sample of weirdo's you see on all these threads discourage your feelings towards the hobby. Just tell them like it is when it's needed.

The school yard bully always cried when i kicked his rear for him. People grow up but their mental states don't change. That weird one that always picked on kids smaller than himself grew up and still has a twisted look on life. You know what i'm talking about and have probably seen all kinds of these types growing up yourself. Just let it go in one ear and out the other here on the net, but don't run from it on the air. Enjoy the hobby, it's still a great thing and don't let the current "mode" insults get you down. We're all not rocket scientists and no matter what degree any of us holds or level of education, when it comes to amateur radio we can all learn something from others.

73, Keep pound'n that key too!!

John WR8D
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W1EH on March 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I also believe that homebrewing is an essential part of amateur radio. However, the reported demise of this art is somewhat premature.

The present is a technical golden age for a minority. In the 'good old daze', most hams were using tube type VTVMs and drifty 'DC to daylight' RF generators. Mow, good, inexpensive, used test equipment can be procured on the internet, or at hamfests. Although the local radio/television parts store is an endangered species, all sorts of esoteric components are available in small quantities on the Web. We should thank both large suppliers (like Mouser or DigiKey) and small ham owned firms (such as Dan's Small Parts or Kits and Parts). There are also some wonderful basic electronics texts (such as The Art of Electronics or Experimental Methods in RD Design). Also, sophisticated designs are much EASIER using modern LSI techniques. Even twenty years ago, building a clean frequency synthesizer with discrete components was a major challenge. Now it is quite possible for an advanced tinkerer.

It also goes without saying that Elecraft and Wilderness Radio have come out with some great kits. I remember when the Heath SB 104 was placed on the market. The original rig has problems with supuriae. Many builders also could not duplicat it in the field. Some pundits felt that this was the beginning of the end for amateur radio kits. Recemtly, I built a K2 and was amazed at how basically simple it was. Of course, good designing helps, but also state of the art technology does tend to simplify. Building equivalent rigs from scratch would be a major project, but not impossible!

Yes, some of us have found the 'golden age'. Recent projects at W1EH have included a multi band receiver, solid state HF amplifier and many transmitters.

I think the only thing which seperates this generation from former ones, is that building useable equipment is no longer a casual affair. It takes a little dedication. Old Novice CW rigs were mostly home built and the cheapest alternative. Putting together a SSB rig as a first project takes some experience and test equipment. Building a simple CW rig can be done in a weekend. However, most beginners wouldn't even considder using CW (or even AM) for their first QSO. As more and more of the old breed leave the hobby, this change of attitude will, sadly, make the appliance operator nearly universal. Of course, system and antenna experimentation will remain important aspects of our avocation. Yet, they are no substitute for a basic knowledge of component level electronics.

Advanced technology should not be blamed, but rather defeatism and a misplaced pseudo-egalitarianism. There is a great difference between making high goals achievable and making everything easy!

Long Live Homebrew!

73 de W1EH

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WB7AVF on March 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W1EH good points. The kits are great now, the suppliers centralized and fairly reliable, the level of the results high and attainable (even by real non-engineers such as myself). An interesting chat on a local NY repeater last night did, however, bring up the subject of Firmware, and proprietary rights to programming or reprogramming. A young engineering student and ham colleague feels that ALL advances such be public domain.
I guess I've never had the urge to fuss around in the VX2R and 'transmit' on non-amateur channels or listen to innocuous cell phone calls of other folks.

But there are some out there, Libertarian or what have you, that believe shareware is where it's at; this would be the equivalent of the sort of sharing of info one used to engage back in the tube and terminal strip days.

73 de NYC
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by RBLACKETER on March 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Hello,

I am new to ham, and will take my test next month. I have been looking around on the web for tube radio kits to build and there isn't many around. I was bidding on a unbuilt DICK SMITH UHF TRANSCEIVER KIT, on ebay and lost it with 30 seconds left!! I cussed a bit, to be sure.

Anyway, my goal is to learn enough to be one of the guys that can take a box of spare parts and build a radio.

I have looked a the kits mentioned here and I would really prefer to start out with tube kits. I do not know enough electronics to read a schematic, or design the boards, etc. I plan on being able to do that someday but I can't now. In fact, I got a couple old tube sets now that don't work, and I am going to use them as learning tools. I used to fool around with old t.v sets in the early 80's, repairing them, etc. Most of them only had bad tubes. I do have a old tube tester that I can use.

So, does anybody know where I can find old tube kits? I spent 4 hours on the net tonight and I haven't found one site for them.

Thanks for any info you guys can give.

Ray Blacketer
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
RBLACKETER wrote ~"Anyway, my goal is to learn enough to be one of the guys that can take a box of spare parts and build a radio."~

==========

Your enthusiasm is to be commended, but there are very few hams left that can do this! You best bet if you want to deal with tubes, is to find an old rig, and try to restore it, make it work like new again.
There were a couple of very simple 1 tube receivers and transmitter out there, but I think you would be much better off restoring an old junker.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com


 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W5ESE on March 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
> So, does anybody know where I can find old tube
> kits? I spent 4 hours on the net tonight and I
> haven't found one site for them.

> Thanks for any info you guys can give.

Not kits, but you may find something of interest
here:

http://www.mines.uidaho.edu/~glowbugs/

73
Scott
W5ESE
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KA5UOS on March 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There are not many tube kits left. A few but not many. Scratch homebrew is always an alternative to kits.

Homebrewing in my opinion starts with a lot of reading. Followed by a lot of experimenting and more reading. I still prefer vintage tube gear though most of my homebrew gear is solid state.
Parts are available for any niche era or homebrewing interest whether tube or solid state. Though, sometimes one is required to think outside the box when an unusual part is needed.

I see Scott suggested the glowbugs site. The email reflector is populated by many hams with websites with much more info too.

A nice website for novice tube receiver builders is a site run by Gary WD4NKA. Although the site is dedicated to minimalist regenerative receivers there are other more
sophisticated designs mentioned.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/regenrx/

Another novice site is the Ameco AC-1 site. The AC-1 was a bare minimum rig that for some bizarre reason has seen renewed interest is recent years.
But it is a wonderful learning experience if one takes the time and builds one from scratch.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amecoac1/

If the one tube minimalist rig sounds to simple try the folowing MOPA transmitter site. Everyone should build one tube or solid state MOPA during a lifetime.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MOPAGROUP/

Homebrewing takes considerable effort and patience. Yet the effort can be a incredibly fun experience. Will the initial gear you build be equal to a state of the art transceiver?
No, certainly not...but you won't care.

One more suggestion that will improve your homebrewing experience is to search out all the local homebrewers. Once you start looking for them they seem to come out of the woodwork.
They are the guys down on their knees crawling under the tables, picking through that apparently worthless junk at hamfests and fleamarkets.

These fellas are a great source of parts, information, experience and most of all...fellowship.

K5UOS
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by N2WN on March 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Possibly the mentoring is on the wane, but there are plenty of decent kits on the market. Elecraft makes rigs that are very competitive and flexible. If you check QEX you'll see that folks are even homebrewing much more complicated equipment. There's a plethora of design software available free online. Parts can be found at most any hamfest, online, and although a bit more challenging from butchered "modern" electronics. Granted we, as a society, are more into all the bells and whistles on our electronic devices or appliances. I doubt that will ever go away, short of some major sociological event. We are just not the people we were 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago... Change is the only constant.

Build what you like, it really isn't that hard to find everything you need easily.

73,
Julius
n2wn
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4JF on March 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Possibly the mentoring is on the wane, but there are plenty of decent kits on the market. Elecraft makes rigs that are very competitive and flexible."

True. But very expensive. You DO wind up with nice equipment, worth the price, even if it is out of reach of many of us. It is a fact that in this age of robotic manufacturing, you simply can't market a kit for the price of a factory-built rig.

"If you check QEX you'll see that folks are even homebrewing much more complicated equipment."

True, and a very good source of inspiration.

"There's a plethora of design software available free online. Parts can be found at most any hamfest, online, and although a bit more challenging from butchered "modern" electronics."

A little tougher route to go, but can be reasonably priced when finished, and lots of fun developing.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I received this email from K4UUG this afternoon......

Hi Alan
No I am not a nut .I am a guy who has a right to voice my opinion.Alan are you the one who has been posting useing my call sign on the DX cluster they can track that you do know that do you not.I also want to know if you are the person who has been posting on other web sites useing my name ie storm front military sites.I am sorry if my opinion about CW morse code offends you,I am sorry if I offended you personally.I have a right Alan to post my opinions just as much as you have a right to post your opinion even if we do not agree.You have a wonderfull radio room and web site.But Alan I am a Christian and I am not a hate filled person I hate no one.Just because I defend my self in an those personal attacks does not mean I am not a Christian for Jesus said from this day forward take with you your cloak and your sword!Alan how would you feel if I took your wifes photo and made a profile with useing her name on a Lesbian site and took your photo and did the samething would you not be angrey.That has been done to me by brother of hams at EHAM the CB Radio of the world wide web.You personal attacks on me were not called for.I do not like old tube radios I do not like cw I do not like dxing or contesting and I have a God given right as an American to state my opinion.Alan I will not be posting on Eham any more it was unfair for the persons who did these things to me and attack my wife and family as well as my Military Background I wish you good day Alan and if you are the one who is doing this please stop it thank You.
73
RICK A. BERNARDI SR.

=================================================

Now I want to PUBLICALLY say.. This is NOT true, I have never POSTED anything anywhere unless I signed my NAME to it!

I have NOT POSTED anything as K4UUG or anyone else!!!

de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WB7AVF on March 26, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
tnx for web links on tube stuff.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by OLDFART13 on March 27, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Ranger Rick:

http://www.qrz.com/k4uug

http://www.eham.net/user/profile/K4UUG

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13508

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/printthread.php?t=25974&page=7&pp=20


http://armyranger.com/bb/viewtopic.php?p=160884&highlight=&sid=4253fd3307b0388f0587c6ac4e41fc66

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/euro-south-carolina-15082.html?s=0eab83ec9f65a147b42f4fca0e0c5348&amp;s=0eab83ec9f65a147b42f4fca0e0c5348&amp;t=15082

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13126
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 28, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I believe that was RangerRick_75 wasn't it?

This guy really does need some professional help, more than what his pastor can do for him. I sure hope he gets it soon.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KC8QFP on March 28, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< W4LGH The SS checks are also grouped! Yes you PAID for yours and somebody elses, just like I have. I have paid the max in long time ago, and I am still paying...which will go to others if the govt doesn't use it all up for other things first. Thats why its called SOCIAL bud...but there are a lot of recepeients
receiving this money that NEVER PAID a dime into it. Who do you think is paying for this? Why do you think you will only get a small fraction of what you paid in, to the ratio of what you will get back? Where did the difference go? Come on guy get real, every DOLLAR the govt spends on no matter what, came out of the taxpayers pockets. Last I checked I was one of those paying taxes..Lots of them. >>>

===================================================

I can understand your comments especially concerning govy bad management and poor stewerdship. I know of many people that should not be getting SS benefits, but somehow their lawyers get them on it. Some should be weeded out of the system.

But what if you were disabled at a young age whereas you could not pay the max so to speak? What if your family did not want to take care of you, if you were uable to take care of yourself? Somebody else would have covered your special needs, and you'd think differently about this, I'm sure. What if you had a disabled child with CP or a close relative crippled in a car accident? Yes, many of you paid for others, and sometimes it hits close to home when shit happens.

But IF it doesn't, be very thankful that you WERE ABLE to chip in for helping others that cannot help themselves! Many really legitimately need SS help - I would say a vast majority. How could you work to pay the max if you had a disabled person at home for which you had to feed, change diapers, clean up puke, and so forth instead?

There was a time when hams cared about the less fortunate hams. If a handicapped ham needed an antenna put up, it was easy to get a party together to get the job done. Many hams INVENTED devices for their disabled friends! I remember when a stranger would donate stuff to a poor blind guy. Now forget it, the me me me people that are sooo into it for themselves. They are selfish and will not give their help. This is how it is for those that live priveledged lives... until shit happens. Then they squack the loudest saying, "I NEED HELP, SOMEBODY HELP ME ME ME"! (Ask any nurse that has to jump when they constantly push the nurse call button)?

Sure SS has it problems, do to abuse and the high cost of healthcare in the USA, but there was a time when we did not have ""welfare"", and family was stuck with such tragidy and the care needed because of it. Please walk in someone's moccasins before you criticise the needy.

It seems many hams are prejudiced biggots. They love to put people down and talk against people unlike themselves. They stereotype CBer's as though all of them ore hillbillies or blacks. They put down the no-coders as if they all are from the welfare slums of ham radio. I look at all the implications about the undesirables - very shameful. Ham radio is for the elite, the CW extra class ops that have twenty plus years and a fancy callsign. Exclude all others!

We live in a crazy messed up world, and the rich bastards/snobs are no better than the rest of us morons! Their shit smells no better than ours, but they can afford air fresheners!!!

73, Don
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 28, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There is no question that some need SS benefits to survive. It is my mom and dad's only source of income. Its not much, but they have just about all of their bills paid off, including their home, so they can survive. Its the only reason, I don't feel worse about paying it. But I still can't help to think what could they really be getting if those who never paid a dime into is getting the same, or how much would they have now, if they received what they paid into it in one lump sum with 50 yrs of interest! Now there's a retirement! Not to mention that my Dad was self-employed his entire life, so technically he paid DOUBLE into it! When you work for someone else they pay 1/2 and you pay 1/2..so YES its got it problems and they are NOT going to get fixed until we get our REPs in DC OFF the Golden Fleece program, and put them back on SS! Then it would get fixed in a heartbeat! It would be TOP PRIORITY then!

Now getting back to the subject...Hams do still help hams. I have helped many, either putting up antennas, fixing a broken radio, or in some cases, gave them a nice working older HF radio to get on the air. Yes the "ME-ME-ME" generation is out there in full swing, and I really feel sorry for them when they are left in this world by themselves, as WHO is going to be the GIVER when only TAKERS are left?

I just lost a blind Ham buddy who's now an SK, and we all looked out for him. He was a great guy, and he will be missed!

Yes everything is out of control in this world, and the "ME-ME-ME Generation" my be the final straw that brings it all to an end. Hopefully I will not be around to see it!

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 29, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Don, one does'nt have to stereotype them here in my part of the country, they are as we describe. Sad to say too.

Amateur radio isn't just for the 20wpm extra either, but then again it's sure as hell not for the 25 year veteran of freebanding illegal cb... That is trying to bring that same attitude and operating practices to the hambands. The freebander and his disrespect for any rule or regulation is what most are talking about when we see those remarks being made about cbers.

I hope you're not like some we've seen here on the net and ran across on the air. They like to call older hams names and get a ruckus started just because the older ham has been around longer and is more experianced.

Many that do that have sit on their rears for years waiting on some easier way to come around so they can get an amateur license. That piece of paper isn't what makes one an operator either. I see lots of attitudes using some of your wording from people exactly like i describe above. In my case it's not my fault that so many didn't want to study to upgrade.

I certainly don't feel i'm a better person than anyone else due to me passing exams at a earlier time. It ticks me off to be called a name by someone that seems to not have a clue about electronics and amateur radio just because i've passed a faster code test, or can work on amplifiers and radios, or i've got thousands invested in my shack and they don't, or my truck is bigger than theirs, or my bass boat is faster then theirs and they can't afford a ranger.

See where all this comes from...it's our society. I want it too but i don't want to work for it or have to pay for it but you're better than me and i'll call you names because you can do all that and you own all those things.

Pitiful, it's ME ME ME exactly like Alan says. It's in all aspects of our lives.

The essence of amateur radio means differant things to differant folks. The best thing one can do is just enjoy radioing using all modes. Don't get stuck in a rut of just talking on phone all the time, try the digital stuff...don't sit around in nets all the time get out on the bands and find a clear spot and give a cq. There's a big ole world out there full of really nice people just waiting to have a nice chat.

As for SSI many are on it here in my part of the country. Many are on the disability ssi where they say they have a bad back, which is most common. They say they can't work but they fish the hell out of the fish and hunt deer climbing these mountains like kids. They race those 4wheelers on extreme ruff dirt mountain roads jumping rocks and trees...but they get a check free each month because they can fake it at the doctors office and get away with it.

The world we live in is in a downward spiral. Nuff said: John WR8D


 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on March 29, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Just always remember...

"Its NOT the Class license the Amateur holds, but the Class of the Amateur that holds it!" ~ Unknown

This statement has been on my website since the day it went online. And it will remain there until the site is gone. Those few words say it all.

The good news about all these newbee's, and this is NOT a bad statement, is that they won't be around long. Sure they have upgraded, due to requirements being lessened, but not having to really work for it, they will lose interest and move on to something else.
This is not saying all will, but I think you will see a MAJOR decline with in 6 months, a lesser decline in the next 6 months. Water will always run downhill!

73 de W4LGH - Alan a Technical Ham and Proud of it!
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KC8QFP on March 29, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< I hope you're not like some we've seen here on the net and ran across on the air. They like to call older hams names and get a ruckus started just because the older ham has been around longer and is more experianced. >>>

Stereotyping cuts both ways. Lids hate the OT's and this also is very foolish. I feel that some of the newbies that will influx into ""our"" HF bands will come from the SWL ops too, but some will also come from CB or the upper ""techie"" bands. I'm just saying that a code-lite doesn't mean a person is generally considered as a lid. Let's be fair to the guys that join us on HF, mentor them, and be nice. Else we lower ourselves to the level of a lid. Deal with the lids on an individual basis. When I used to use the repeaters, there were some bozo's that menaced us regularly, they disrupted our legal operations with their mischieveous behavior. But they were few in number, many of the techies were decent guys. What I am saying is that the lids or bozo's are a vast minority, and it is unfair to lump all CBer's techies, code lites, and SWL ops as lids or troublemakers. Many a decent ham came from CB. Sure there are a few jerks that will come onto HF. But I feel many more will try to be good ops, and in time they will do OK. I sense a hostility towards techies, code-lites, SWL's, and CBer's regardless of their character - sort of like, "we don't want your kind in our neighborhood"! Yeppirs, I agree, there is too much fighting going on, and we are supposed to be a friendly ARS. I personally respect my elderly brother hams, and appreciate their experiances, knowledge and wisdom. Disrespect comes from stereotyping and prejudice too. As I said, it cuts both ways. How can one elmer a younger ham that is hostile and arguementive? How can a younger ham admire and look up to some mean and nasty old geezer? Hostility, or friendly, ham radio is what YOU make of it.

73, Don
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KC8QFP on March 29, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< As for SSI many are on it here in my part of the country. Many are on the disability ssi where they say they have a bad back, which is most common. They say they can't work but they fish the hell out of the fish and hunt deer climbing these mountains like kids. They race those 4wheelers on extreme ruff dirt mountain roads jumping rocks and trees...but they get a check free each month because they can fake it at the doctors office and get away with it. >>>

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Just as we hams police the bands, you as a taxpayer certainly can police people illegimately collecting SS benefits by reporting such fraud to the SSA. I said that some need to be weeded out that abuse the system. And you can blow the whistle on those you see doing such things. BUT MANY GET IT LEGAL, AND THAT'S ALL THEY GET, AND IT IS NOT MUCH! I would hope that many are glad to pay some of their SS for those disabled poor souls out there that have no other recourse for them. I paid my share too, and I was not totally against paying taxes, we live pretty good in the USA and certainly benefit from our tax dollars. We get something pretty damn good out of our taxes (including the aRS). I was in the 25% SS/Tax bracket. That left me and my family about 75% of my income to live off of. If that is not enough, we can learn and earn more! I do feel that our tax system can be unfair and discouraging, and there definitely is corruption both by those that take and spend tax dollars. I can understand complaints about corruption and abuse of SS and tax dollars, and let's be careful not to lump those legitimately needy with that crap. Many get on SS because some lawyers use loopholes and such. But there are also many that do not get benefits because they are turned away from SS and they simply do not pursue it any further out of frustration with the system. If you weed out the fraud cases, and add the legit applicants that were dinied, it probably would still balance out. One thing most on SS will tell you is that health care is way too high. And the govy pays too much for medical care. I feel this is where the ""abled"" take from (exploits) the poor disabled. I would hope that many hams don't mind looking out for the other less-fortunate guys and chipping in. But I also can understand them not wanting to be screwed over by corrupt people.

73, Don
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by OLDSWAB on March 31, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Let me start out by saying I grew up with tubes. My uncle was a tv repairman. I built my first kit as a wireless transmitter and used it as a portable transmitter in my car. Building a vibrator power supply to make 110v. from six volts. My buddy and I would build 80 meter transmitters and use old surplus crystals with a grand total of 5 watts CW power. I still have my S-38 B receiver and use it. I have an end feed 95 ft. antenna and a antenna tuner (home built) for VLF,LF,160,80,40 meters.I also have the first radio I built ,a knight star roamer. Still works.I have built and built many projects.Some don't work so I would use the parts tobuild somthing else. Went into the Navy in '57 and became an electrician.Was discharged and went into Office Equipment repair.Here we go back into tubes.Transistors were new at that time and were Geranium. Not stable, subject to heat problems. Went to many schools from many different manufactures. Alse picked up Digital theory all the way to I could build my own computer.Stayed in the office equipment repair and started seeing "just replace the board or replace the unit", type repairs. I am retired now and still like to build my own equipment and do a lot of QSL'ng. You can tell the type of Ham operator that are coming up now. from yeasterday. Try the technology has changed and we have goon from radio contact to satellite contact. but it also has changed from big tubes to micro chips on a board with mutiply layers also. This makes it hard to say why don't you build it yourself. The HAS that I know are slowwly fading away and like me will some be just a thing to tell storys about.
 
Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by G0CJM on March 31, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
YES i do believe summat is missing from us hobby. Ah'v nay built a rig in five years or so, ah'm not so sure ah could stay with the commercials but ah would have a try. Aving sed that many o rigs ah'v built ovver years are all in working order but bilt fer qrp use only. 73s Ted.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by G3LBS on March 31, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
>YES i do believe summat is missing from us hobby. Ah'v nay built a rig in five years or so, ah'm not so sure ah could stay with the commercials but ah would have a try. Aving sed that many o rigs ah'v built ovver years are all in working order but bilt fer qrp use only. 73s Ted.>

Is that a bit of Geordie dialect I detect G0CJM OM?
I am a Brummie so I canna tell whot yo'm sayin' mate.
Buffalo Gil W2/G3LBS
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by WR8D on March 31, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Hi, !!!
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on April 2, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
OLDSWAB said...".I also have the first radio I built ,a knight star roamer."

That was my first kit too! Great working reciever below 20mhc. For some reason it would go into oscillation above 20Mhc anytime it wanted. Never di find that problem. Boy I remember sitting up and putting that together. The kit was a wopping $29.95.
My next kit was a HeathKit SB-101 and I used it for 20+ years before breaking bad and buy a new Kenwood TS-430S, but I still used the 101 once in a while until I sold it around 1992.

Both HeathKit & Allied Radio really had an impact on ham radio, with low cost kits. Made it real easy to get into the hobby. And you really learned something putting them together. Those were the days!!

Many many fond memories from those days.
73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by K4JF on April 2, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Both HeathKit & Allied Radio really had an impact on ham radio, with low cost kits."

Yep. All lost now; gone with the wind. No low cost kits to be found, at least not of the Heath caliber.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by KB3MMX on April 3, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Funny this article should come up...

Recently a local friend was on a tech net we have on a local repeater and mentioned that he overheard a QSO between two older hams mentioning the same topic.
We had one local JERK that read him the riot act loaded with slurrs and insults that "He didn't need anyone telling him about ham radio" as he had one of those "long resume's". (roll eyes)

Anyway, it is a worthy subject to bring up about the experimental and building type atmosphere that Ham Radio is currently holding...
It certainly doesn't seem to be anywhere like it used to be from what older Hams talk about...


DE KB3MMX CHUCK
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by OLDSWAB on April 4, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
How many remember the first time slow scan came out?Did you enjoy seeing the picture come on your crt, and maybe making contact ten miles away? How much of that experence was passed on to younger people and anyone else that you could tell that you built the equipment and you allined it and you made it work! Well nowdays if my thinking is correct a lot of the shacks have the latest , newest gear and the most advanced bells and whistles that can be afforded and used. Even to the point of computer programing,audio filtering etc: Now If that is Haming I lost the "Essence". What happened to the fun of saying I contacted XXX with twenty watts and with my long wire dipole antena on my Homebrew transmitter? MONEY.Thats what.When you can go out there and buy a state of the art transever connect to a satallite or repeater and talk as long and as far as you want to,what else is there to do? Thats what has happened.
 
RE: Have We Lost the 'Essence' of Ham Radio?  
by W4LGH on April 5, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
As I have said...I do OWN some new equipement, but my shack is made up mostly of Drake equipment, that I have restored, rebuilt & reconditioned back into new.

So for practical purpose, I feel that I built most of my stuff, and basically did. Nope I didn't design it, but I sure had to hunt parts and sometimes draw out the diagrams to get it back up and running.

I remember seeing slow-scan for the first time, and it was pretty awsome, smae with seeing an old Model1
do RTTY!!! What a bunch of noise, but it was captivating!

I am going to write one more article on eHam, it pertains to some of the discussions in this thread, but goes deeper into the essence or how we define the essence of ham radio. We'll see if eHam publishes it.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
 
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