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60-Meter Web Page for DXers:

from Southgate Amateur Radio Club on March 14, 2007
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60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by KC8VWM on March 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I always thought 60 meters was a utility band with short and somewhat restricted communication exchanges occuring much like you would hear on local 2m repeaters.

I don't feel we should be "labelling" 60 meters for the purpose of "chasing DX."

Oh sure, DX does happen but encouraging the use of DX on 60 meters for that specific purpose would just serve as further encouragment to promote illegal power and would just tie up the otherwise limited number of channels available for our utility uses.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by AC7NA on March 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I agree...there are significant restrictions (50W ERP, not PEP, and channelized operation on USB)on this band.

Amateur radio is a "secondary" allocation on this band, granted to us as a means of filling the propagation gap between 80M and 40M for the primary purpose of emergency comms, not DX chasing.

As secondary users, we're not allowed to interfere with primary users and required to accept their interference...sounds like a DXer's nightmare to me and I question whether the necessary restraint would be present, for some to resist the urge to turn on the amp or shift frequency slightly in order to complete a DX contact.

My 2 Cents...

Brian AC7NA

 
60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by K5QED on March 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Regardless of the 50W power limit (at least for US licensees), when conditions are favorable DX stations can be worked on 60m. I see no reason not to promote the activity, provided that everyone plays by the rules.

When first licensed a few years ago, I spent quite a bit of time on 60m , primarily because the operators seemed to be civil, knowledgeable, and welcomed newcomers to the band.

My antenna is a low dipole that probably radiates a lot of energy in a near-vertical pattern, but I have had contacts on both coasts from my QTH in Texas, and have heard but not worked stations in the UK.

As I do have an interest in emergency communications, and am a local RACES appointee, I consider my 60m capability to be an asset to my overall preparedness.

I have never had a problem operating by the rules and believe that the majority of operators on 60m share this view.

Worst offenders so far are "tuner-uppers" whose brief CW signal is technically an illegal mode on the band under the present regulations.

73
Charles

 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by N3EVL on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
60m is certainly more than a "utility" band for local communication and I while I may not characterize myself as a DX "chaser," I will take every opportunity to work the DX when it presents itself and I will do so within the terms and conditions of my license as they apply to that band.

Promotion of increased activity on this or any band is an excellent idea since it will encourage operators to gain familiarity with the band and its characteristics such that they will be better prepared and more capable should the need for some sort of emergency use arise, even if that just means getting out of the way.

The suggestion that the band not be used for the purposes of working DX on the basis that operators will be unable to control the urge to increase power or shift frequency outside of the designated channels is just silly: while there are always some "bad apples" out there, most of us follow the rules and are happy to do so.

73, Pete, N3EVL
 
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by K0RFD on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Charles, you're still listed as a Technician, what do you know about 60 meters and how it propagates?

I see nothing in the frequency allocation chart or regulations that would cause me to let a 60-meter frequency go empty if it's not being used by its primary occupant. The band is not reserved for emergency communications. If I hear DX, I'll work it. That would be great. I don't hear a lot being in the middle of the country, but I'm always listening for it.

And if there's an emergency in progress and a 60-meter frequency is needed, I'll QSY to another freqency or band just as I would with any other frequency on any other band.

I use 60 meters quite often. It's a fun band with interesting propagation. I've had no problem working both coasts from Colorado at 50 watts or less with a resonant dipole, particularly in the winter when there are no static crashes. Channel 3 is almost always in use for data transmission by its primary, but Channel 4 and (to a lesser extent) Channel 1 are often busy with hams.

I've heard more QRM on 60 meters from bootleggers on fishing boats than I've heard from Hams. Hams, to a man, respect the allocations. I haven't heard anyone on the band that I suspect of running excessive power. In general, the signal reports I receive are reciprocal to the ones I give. That's no guarantee that the other guy isn't running a lot of power, but it's a good indication. Besides, the power limit is ERP compared to a dipole. If a guy's running 100 watts into a hamstick, that's probably less ERP than my 50 watts into a dipole.

There's no point in letting 60 meters sit empty. Use it or lose it.
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by KC8VWM on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

Charles, you're still listed as a Technician, what do you know about 60 meters and how it propagates?

------------

Well to answer your question, I suppose that fact might be attributed to the many years of SWL "listening" experience I have.

I was once told way back in 1974 when I first started listening to HF that a person could learn a great deal just by listening and guess what?

I admit I still enjoy listening to HF using my racks of personally restored boat anchor equipment, not to mention the many miles of tangled wire I had to endure to construct many home brew HF antennas over the years.

...I didn't realize you actually needed a specific license class in order to participate in listening or to express an interest in defending the HF bands.

Is this true?

Does license class somehow demonstrate the fact that someone might know something about HF propagation involving a layer of ionized gas or can that knowledge be acquired by other means?

Perhaps you recall when they used to call it the Kennelly-Heaviside Layer instead of the Ionosphere? It wasn't too long after that when I started learning about modes of HF propagation.

Pfffft... Easy question really. Thanks for asking.

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by K8MHZ on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Charles, you're still listed as a Technician, what do you know about 60 meters and how it propagates?"

Dude,

That would be like me saying, "Ralph, you have only been a ham for four years*, what would you know about propagation of any sort on any band?"

Charles knows his stuff and he simply likes being a Tech.

Not only that he is a nice guy and makes cool logos!

73 de K8MHZ

*Going by what is listed in the ULS database
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by KX8N on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"There's no point in letting 60 meters sit empty. Use it or lose it."

I thought the purpose of 60 meters was for emergency communication during hurricanes when neither 40 nor 80 meters worked well. As long as we use it for it's intended purpose, it's not going to go anywhere, especially when we only have it as a secondary service to begin with.
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by N3EVL on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KX8N said "I thought the purpose of 60 meters was for emergency communication during hurricanes when neither 40 nor 80 meters worked well. As long as we use it for it's intended purpose, it's not going to go anywhere, especially when we only have it as a secondary service to begin with."

Well, you can wait for that hurricane but I'll be having fun on the band in the meantime!

73, Pete, N3EVL
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by K0RFD on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Exactly, Pete. Get on there and operate. That's the only way to be sure you're ready for an emergency anyway. If you don't use the band, you don't know if you even CAN use the band.

As far as the comments about amateurs being secondary, we're secondary in other places too. It just means you don't interfere with whoever's primary.

The entire set of regulations specific to 60 meters is contained in 97.303(s). Nowhere do they say that the the emergency communications boys own the frequencies. The regs are only 170 words long, so I'll reproduce them below.

It sounds like some people have some serious misconceptions about 60 meters. They should read the 60 meters FAQ on the ARRL web site.

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/faq-60.html

More important, they should get on the air once in a while and see what it's all about.

Here are the regs specific to 60. Of course the rest of Part 97 applies as well.

(s) An amateur station having an operator holding a General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class license may only transmit single sideband, suppressed carrier, (emission type 2K8J3E) upper sideband on the channels 5332 kHz, 5348 kHz, 5368 kHz, 5373 kHz, and 5405 kHz. Amateur stations shall ensure that their transmission occupies only the 2.8 kHz centered around each of these frequencies. Transmissions shall not exceed an effective radiated power (e.r.p.) of 50 W PEP. For the purpose of computing e.r.p. the transmitter PEP will be multiplied with the antenna gain relative to a dipole or equivalent calculation in decibels. A half wave dipole antenna will be presumed to have a gain of 0 dBd. Licenses using other antennas must maintain in their records either the manufacturer data on the antenna gain or calculations of the antenna gain. No amateur station may cause harmful interference to stations authorized in the mobile and fixed services; nor is any amateur station protected from interference due to the operation of any such station.
 
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by WA1RNE on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

Emergency communications on 60 meters.....that's a beauty, which could only come from non-other than the ARRL. That's how we got the allocation, the ARRL claimed it would be used for EmComm - just like 600 meters.


60 meters is as good or better than 40 for DX. Using it for local ground wave stuff is a waste. If I could get on there I would....


...WA1RNE
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by W5GNB on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well, During the Katrina and Rita disasters, I heard absolutely NOTHING on 60-meters during the whole drill.
If am not mistaken, these frequencies were originally requested for weather related emergency communications.

Here is a novel idea, let's give these five "Channels" to the CONTESTERS and let them have a free-for-all anytime they want, The only thing asked in return is that all these LIDS stay off the other ham bands......

That's MY Two Cents!!

73's
Gary - W5GNB
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by K0RFD on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K8MHZ--I normally don't argue with people who make no sense, because it proves nothing. (So what if I win? I'm smarter than someone who makes no sense? Do I get a prize?) However, let me give you two simple reasons why what you say makes no sense at all.

First, I only pointed out VWM's license class to demonstrate that he can't possibly have any first-hand experience operating on the band, at least not if he operates legally. I have no reason to believe that he doesn't operate legally. Be that as it may, he has no direct knowledge about 60 meters being, as he says, "a utility band with short and somewhat restricted communication exchanges."

Second, no matter when I was licensed (2002 is the correct date), I have been a Ham longer than there has been a 60 meter band. Being licensed since 1955 wouldn't give me any more first-hand experience on that band. Until 2003, there WAS no 60-meter band.

Get your facts right first. Then your opinions can speak for themselves.
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by KC8VWM on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The original purpose, intent, rules, 2K8J3E emission standards set for 60 meters is widely available public information available to anyone worldwide including myself.

Believe it or not, one doesn't require direct hands on experience blathering behind a microphone on 60 meters to actually know and understand these facts.

You have apparently conveyed that mistaken idea.

Ralph, when will you just accept the fact that license class is NOT necessarily an indicator of one's knowledge and abilities in the area of amateur radio?

Like it or not, I am entitled to express my opinion on this subject regardless of what you may feel.

Sheesh... I am beginning to feel like that Caveman dude on that Geico TV commercial.

73
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by W6SN on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KC8VWM, sounds like somebody woke up on the wrong side of the rock this morning...
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by K8MHZ on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K0RFD,

You TOTALLY missed my point.

Nevermind. Hope to catch you on the air sometime.

73 de K8MHZ
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by KC8VWM on March 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well thanks anyway Mark. Your kind words are most appreciated.

My Best,

Charles - KC8VWM

(P.S. I think I will climb under a rock for a while :)
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by KC2FTN on March 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
It's my understanding that with the upcoming WRC, 60-meters is on the radar. Apparently, there's talk about increasing the output power level to 100 watts PEP, and changing the frequency of 'Channel 1' ( I could be mistaken on the channel number) to get away from Military comms. Also, they want to open it up to worldwide useage.


Mike KC2FTN
www.hamwave.com
 
60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by N5RNY on March 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
60 Meters?

What's THAT?

N5RNY
 
RE: 60-Meter Web Page for DXers:  
by AE6RO on March 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
60 meters is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
73, AE6RO
 
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