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Storm Spotting
Tom Stefanac (VE3VWX)
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Spring has sprung for many and that means the summer severe weather season is just around the corner!
Storm spotting, the act of monitoring the development of inclement weather dates back to 1942. In the period between 1942 and 1943 the U.S weather bureau lunched a joint project with the military to setup several networks of storm spotters in places where it was deemed necessary and important. The initial reason these network were setup was to effectively detect and monitor lightning in the vicinity of ordnance plants where highly volatile concoctions for munitions were created. Initially it was believed that only lightning posed any considerable threat but this was not true and two major events would change the role of storm spotters forever.
The year 1942 was particularly active with a large number of tornadoes effecting numerous military and civilian operations. On April 27th 1942 a tornado struck Pryor Oklahoma damaging a number of munitions plants and on May 15th 1943 a tornado directly struck and damaged a number of buildings at the Fort Riley base in Kansas. These events as well as others lead to the development of over 200 spotter networks by 1945; however most spotters were still either military, aviation or law enforcement personnel. It was not until 1947 after a series of violent tornadoes that the state of Texas placed emphasis on the development of a volunteer spotter network.
The 1950's introduced the era of weather radar and by this time spotters were commonplace. It was quickly discovered that the deployment of reflectivity only radars provided much needed information about basic storm structure, evolution and basic motion but these radar's could not detected the motion of individual particles within a storm, only spotters could visually convey such information greatly helping forecasters determine tornado potential. Thus the era of ground truthing as we know it today had begun.
Modern automated weather technologies provide information that people could only dream about in the early days of weather forecasting, but many limitations exist and that is why spotters are crucial. While modern weather radar can reveal a potential tornado signature, estimate hail size, calculate downburst wind speeds and a multitude of other things, most weather radar data is taken at a height of 1km or more above the ground and that means the only way to verify what the radar is suggesting is through the use of trained spotters observing what is actually happening at the ground level.
While it is unlikely that an ARES group would be called to action for a civil emergency, spotters play an active role many days of the year in different regions across the globe and many spotter groups are directly associated with ARES on some level.
European amateurs and others should contact their local weather agency for more information.
If you have missed all your local training sessions, or cannot attend a session there is online training material, http://spotterguides.us/ .
- The common simplex frequency used when spotting is 146.550 or 146.490
- The most common UHF frequency is 446.025 which is often cross banded to 146.550
- Always give your call sign or spotter number
- Time and general location followed by exact location
- Type of event and its duration
- Use commonly accepted measurements
- Use acceptable spotter terminology to describe cloud or storm features
Remember, severe weather does not mean only tornadoes. Flash flooding, hail, strong winds, and storm structure are all important things to report but most important of all is to be safe and keep your eyes on the skies at all times during severe weather.
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by KA4KOE on March 28, 2007
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I am a spotter here on the east coast. I took my class some time ago. Like any education of this kind, you need to do periodic refreshers from time to to time.
Knowing the difference between a rain shaft and a funnel cloud is an important skill.
Philip
KA4KOE
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by K8MHZ on March 28, 2007
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Spotter # 2007 MKG61-073 here.
I go to Skywarn training every year if possible. We don't chase storms, we report on their condition from locations set up through out the county.
We live in an area that seldom gets tornadoes. We do get severe straight line winds on occasion though and some really nasty thunderstorms.
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by K4JF on March 28, 2007
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Good article. To repeat: get training from NOAA. If your training is over a year or two, go to a refresher. I went a few weeks ago with my son and grandson. I was amazed at what I had forgotten in the several years since the last refresher.
NOAA need the information. Of that there is no question. But they need it accurately, timely, and using the correct terminology and format. And without the things they don't need.
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by W4LGH on March 28, 2007
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Taking the ADVANCED class once a year is a good thing to do, and I try to do this. Each year there is something different, not so much in the weather, but with the different instructors, as each has their own special knowledge.
Knowing this info is especially important here in Florida, where conditions can change on a dime!
73 de W4LGH - Alan
Skywarn Spotter# SJT-37
See LIVE weather... www.w4lgh.com
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by K3AN on March 28, 2007
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Training is absolutely necessary. I still remember the almost military discipline with which the Dallas County (TX) storm spotter net was run. A few years later I listened to a Virginia county's net. Net control asked specifically for any reports of wall or roll clouds, winds in excess of XX MPH, hail, or very heavy rain. The first guy to report in said that his location had light rain, no wind, and the sun was trying to come out! I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
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by NA4IT on March 28, 2007
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I am certainly glad you used the term "Storm SPOTTING" and not storm chasing. The NWS has NEVER advocated chasing.
Safety is the #1 goal!
Scott NA4IT
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by VE3VWX on March 28, 2007
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Just for quick update, since the article was submitted http://emoares.org/canwarn.shtml has a posted a list of the current Canwarn training dates and sessions with a new active repeater list.
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by K4JSR on March 28, 2007
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I am a storm spotter in North Georgia. I take a refresher course about every 18 months or more often
when possible. In N. Ga. you can find yourself in a bad storm real fast because the woods and hilly terrain put the horizon practically in your lap.
I would suggest that all hams get storm spotter training for no other reason than self preservation.
It is indeed handy to know when to bend over and kiss it goodbye!
The instuctors from NOAA are good and you get some nice literature to keep. I think all ARES and CERT members should avail themselves of this worthwhile training.
Right now the only storm in N. Ga. is a pollen storm.
The pollen count for Metro Atlanta last Monday was
5499 parts/liter. Come join us for our hay fever festival! Sneezings Greetings, all.
73, Cal K4JSR
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by EXWA2SWA on March 28, 2007
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I live in Oklahoma, where everyone with a cellphone and a vehicle (pronounced vee-hickle) is a "storm spotter". Further, it is just about illegal for there to be cloud cover in excess of 3/10 or humnidity in excess of 50% and NOT have total, continuous, commercial-free coverage from the local TV weather-guessers.
Sadly, I think the amateurs just get in the way of the "real" storm-spotters, perhaps operating under the theory that "Iffen I cain't see it, it ain't no twister!"
My thanks to those who DO know what they're doing ...
Jim NS5M
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by K0RGR on March 28, 2007
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If you saw any of the footage of the storm spotters working the tornadoes that hit the Oklahoma City area a few years ago, you may not realize that the footage was edited. What did they edit out? Mostly the hams ID'ing.
I've seen the unedited version of that video, complete with callsigns.
I'm a storm spotter up here on the northern edge of tornado alley. We only get a couple a year in this area, on average, but there have been two category 5's in recent history. Indeed, the Mayo Clinic here was founded to help treat the victims of a huge twister that wiped out half the city a century ago.
Most of the storm spotters in this area are volunteer firemen. About 1/3 are hams. The one big advantage the hams have over almost everyone else is that we can follow the storms as they pass through the county. The fire departments, police, etc.., only watch the storm until it's past their jurisdiction.
One of our ham spotters was credited with saving some lives a few years ago. She followed a storm after it had passed through the metro area and most of the smaller towns, and was the first to spot the tornado that it generated. This allowed NWS to give a 15 minute warning to a small town. This was in the late afternoon, when stores and offices that were destroyed would have been full of people, otherwise.
So, if someone tells you ham spotters aren't needed, tell them to contact the LaCrosse, WI NWS office. They'll set 'em straight.
There have been two tornadoes the produced fatalities in this area in the last few years. In the first case, there were spotters out, but they were in the wrong place - the tornado formed behind them. The other one happened at night, and there were no spotters out. Maybe the fact that it was in an area with lots of antenna restrictions had something to do with that.
Spotter training is MANDATORY! If you see a tornado ripping up trees and houses on the ground, you're probably safe in reporting it as such, but otherwise, you need training to know what you're seeing. A false report is not a good thing.
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by K0FF on March 28, 2007
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Is there a "best" home weather station? I'm looking at the Pro-2. Already have some Texas Wx stuf.
Geo>K0FF
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by N5EAT on March 28, 2007
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My problem with weather spotting is with the offical nets that are affiliated with the National Weather Service. These nets are setup by groups which have their own volunteers who routinely go out to report weather conditions. Reports of damage are sometimes ignored if net control is not familiar with the reporter. I once heard a report from a ham who was in the damage path of a tornado. He reported that
trees were snapping off, homes were being damaged, all in realtime. The net control operator replied "we don't show anything in that area at this time", and went on to another report. I called 911 to relay what i'd heard of the eyewitness report. The 911 operator stated that they were getting other calls about the event.
Whether this was a microburst or tornado (later confirmed to be a tornado) the net control should have
alerted his NWS contact. If you are a net control operator it's up to you to dismiss the dozens of calls about torrential rain, lightning, wind, etc; and take immediate action if someone reports damage as it's happening. All the trained spotters in the world are useless if action is not taken. It doesn't take training to know you've got serious weather problems when stuff is exploding around you. Net operators should use good logic. A house blowing away trumps a radar screen every time.
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by N8BOA on March 28, 2007
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Very important to keep the frequency quiet.
There you are with grapefruit size hail smashing tree limbs down and smashing cars windshield and you can’t get through because someone 2 blocks from the repeater telling net control that it is starting to rain. Very frustrating.
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by K8MHZ on March 28, 2007
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N5EAT,
You have just described 'ground truth' and it's a shame those supposedly trained in weather spotting slept through the course.
If they hadn't, you would not have had to made the 911 call.
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by K8MHZ on March 28, 2007
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N8BOA,
If those in your area managed to stay awake through training they would know what to report and what not to report. Any guess about what is on the list NOT to report?
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by KG8JF on March 29, 2007
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While the storm spotter program, sponsored by NOAA is a good and necessary thing, I think there is a new radar technology that sort of does what the storm spotters are supposed to do and do it more precisely. That technology is NEXRAD, if I I am not seriously mistaken. It is precise as to the arrival time of a storm in a particular community. That's mighty powerful stuff.
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by K8MHZ on March 29, 2007
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Nexrad does not tell the NWS what is happening at ground level.
It also suffers from ground clutter like any other radar.
Trained spotters (the ones that know what to report) are a valuable adjunct to radar and will continue to be for quite some time.
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by WA8MEA on March 29, 2007
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I use to be very active in both spotting and Skywarn net control operations during severe weather. That is, until politics got into the mix. It seems that once a tornado has been spotted in Jackson County, Michigan, the report has to go through a chain of commands and final approval before a Warning is issued. The result? The people have NO TIME to take shelter, and the damage is done and the storm already in the next county before the Warning is issued.
This has become such a problem, the NWS has decided to issue the Warnings for Jackson County based on Doppler hooks, therefore bypassing the bureaucracy of Jackson County.
Three years ago, we had a tornado rip through this county. Just as they activated spotters, the storm hit! This was one of the fastest developing storms I've ever witnessed in my life. Some of the snow birds who live in Florida in the winter, and fly back to Michigan for the summer stated it was the worst storm they ever witnessed in their lifetime, including those in Florida!
I remember poking my head up from the basement just for a minute. I looked outside, and the only thought that came to my mind was the videos of Hurricane Andrew. That's how much wind and rain was coming down. The pressure from the tornado sucked all of our attic doors into the attics. A soccer goal at the high school was picked up from the soccer field and deposited on the front lawn of the high school. But other than four trees down on my property, a busted fence, and a few missing shingles....we were pretty lucky. (We actually had more damage from this January's ice storm then that tornado.) But the rest of the county wasn't as lucky from that tornado.
That was a day I'll never forget. We were hit THREE TIMES that day in Jackson County. At 5 am, it was the east side of the county. At 1 pm it was the center of the county. (The storms at 1 pm contained the tornado.) And at 10 pm that evening the west side of the county was hit.
73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
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by N4CQW on March 29, 2007
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Morning all,
I have been on both sides of the coin... I have been out of position... a spotter in the path of damaging winds and hail.... then I have been the net control operator when a tornado was on the ground destroying a community. The other side of the coin I have volunteered a NWS ham station operator dealing with 5 different individual nets and operating an APRS station that covers different regional areas our NWS office takes care off.
I agree, we have some super groups here in East TN that do good work then we have others in the same area that do nothing. We also have those that always listen and only key up when something is happening.... then there are those that like to hear themselves talk (Spotters and Net Control operators). Then you have glory hounds that never appear unless they can catch all the glory otherwise they have an opinion it is beneath them. Then you have groups that will only keep the same status quo not wanting to try anything new. Even changes the NWS wanted to try and ended up working great but don’t like because they did not have the idea. Some times the EGO’s can be larger then a F5 tornado.
I think this is all the nature of the beast for lack of a better term. We have a site that I maintain a website for Skywarn http://www.etskywarn.org we try to get most information out to the site to help keep spotters up-to-date on changes and new things happening. It’s a long way from perfect but the information is there for people to use. I guess will just have to deal with what comes along but try to train spotters to make an informed decision before they key the microphone and remember that people have scanners and that news stations / FM radio stations monitor what we say or do and take it as fact right or wrong.
73, stay safe
Moe Brewer N4CQW
Anderson County Assistant EC
moebrewer@gmail.com
webmaster for www.etskywarn.org
webmaster for http://home.comcast.net/~kf4uvt/ (Anderson Co TN ARES)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/etnskywarn/
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by K1GMG on March 29, 2007
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Great Article! With all of the equipment that the NWS has for storm and severe weather forecasting they still need "ground truth" reports from SKYWARN spotters, especially in areas that are farthest away from their radar sites.
Not all trained SKYWARN storm spotters are hams, the NWS also provides a direct telephone number to their local NWS office to report severe weather conditions, some hams forget that they can still call from a cell phone or landline (if still operable).
Here in CT, in the NWS Taunton office area, SKYWARN nets controls can self activate when severe weather occurs.
Please check our web site for SKYWARN training in Hartford and Tolland conuties.
http://www.hartford-tollandskywarn.org
73,
Gregg K1GMG
Assistant Coordinator, Hartford & Tolland Counties SKYWARN
k1gmg@arrl.net
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by WB2NVY on March 29, 2007
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In my experience in Skywarn nets I've heard a lot of chatter from checkins giving their fair-wx and "not doing anything here" reports. Some people just don't listen to net control and don't report what is asked.
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by KC8VWM on March 29, 2007
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In my experience in Skywarn nets I've heard a lot of chatter from checkins giving their fair-wx and "not doing anything here" reports.
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If they had taken the NOAA spotter training classes, then they probably wouldn't do this.
However, on occasion I had net control call me and ask something like, "KC8VWM..., what's it doing over there?"
Typically this means they see something on their radar and they want some sort of visual report from a spotter.
My spotting equipment consists of my training, real time Lacross weather station linked via APRS and the capability of sending the NWS real time weather photographs (sometimes a picture is worth a 1000's words) such as these one's below:
http://www.severe-weather.org/storm10406.htm
73 de Charles - KC8VWM
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by KC8NIY on March 29, 2007
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WA8MEA - I'm curious as to the beaurocracy that you speak of? Typically reports do have to go through numerous people before warnings are issued: Spotter - Net Control - NWS GRR Net - Warning Coordination Meteorologist would be the typical upstream for a report. Then the warning comes back downstream to the public. As for siren activation, that should be up to the local Civil Emergency Manager. They should have the option of blowing the sirens before the warning is disseminated back downstream.
Keep in mind, almost every single Weather Forecast Office in the US will issue a Tornado Warning based on a hook echo with embedded Tornado Vortex Signature. Realtime ground truth reports will be used for verification or upstream warning, but they won't wait if a TVS is detected.
73
KC8NIY - Washtenaw County
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by N2JAI on March 30, 2007
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N2JAI - Bill here in Cape May County New Jersey, far away enough Newark and New York so I don't say New JOISY hi hi.
The severe weather in Florida with 20 dead in bed and the current severe weather from TEXAS north to Colorado make this article very timely.
All Spotters should PUSH "SAMES" CAPABLE WX RADIOS on our families and friends and in your community schools and churches and anywhere people or our children gather -- they need to take some responsibility for their personal Alert and Warning about severe weather danger.
Nationally all spotters can talk it up -- some folks will get the message - get the radio - and get informed and save some lives. Its important for every hospital, nursing home, school day care and similar facilities to have one of these NOAA WEATHER RADIO ALL HAZARDS in their facility at a post that is manned 24/7 or when the facility is occupied. That post would be responsible for notifying the facility occupants of the danger and to take cover in a pre planned prescribed manner. Planning, Mitigation, Response and Recovery, there is no substitute for a plan of action and exercising that plan often!! Just like a fire drill !!
Best regards to all, stay safe,
N2JAI Bill
Cape May County NJ SKYWARN Coordinator
( 30 Years Public Safety now retired )
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS and the Commander and Chief
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by K0RGR on March 30, 2007
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WA8MEA - what you've described just isn't acceptable. RADAR alone, including NEXRAD and the entire suite of new radar products, is not enough by itself. NWS will be happy to tell your county people this. Eyeballs are needed on the ground both to spot twisters and to determine when no warning is needed. Without them, your county has a false sense of security.
I've personally seen two twisters that were NOT predicted by radar, and I haven't been doing this very long at all.
Here in Olmsted County, MN, our ham spotter network is run directly from the Olmsted County EOC. The net control for the ham network sits right next to the dispatcher working the county radio system, talking to all the first responder spotter groups in the county. The NWS office in La Crosse, WI, about 70 miles east of here, has a ham station, WX9ARX, which is equipped to talk with county EOC's and ham spotter nets in the parts of the 3 states they serve. WX9ARX is manned by licensed hams who work there, as well as volunteers from La Crosse who help during weather events.
A confirmed spotter report will be passed to EOC management on the spot, while it is simultaneously passed to NWS. Sometimes these conferences take place on the ham net, most often not. The response time can be nil when the situation requires it. WX9ARX does often come up on our net to ask specific spotters to investigate things they see on radar. They also have APRS capability so they can see exactly where APRS-equipped mobiles are, and read the many automated APRS'd weather stations in our area.
We're working on a project now to use ham TV in our spotting work. Video of suspicious cloud formations will be shared with the experts in realtime, and may be used over our local government cable TV channel.
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by VE3VWX on March 30, 2007
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Hello everyone,
I would like to say that there are some really great comments, ideas and suggestions flying around!
To tackle the issue of Nexrad radar we have to look at where it all started. The first NWS radar system was known as the WSR-57, it was a basic radar from the war era which was adopted for weather surveillance use and it was completely manual, the meteorologists had to control its tilt, rotation, speed and many other factors making it very difficult to use. The sensitivity of the receiver was also very poor which meant storm structure appeared very blotchy and the actual intensity or dBz reading was wrong. It was a very poor radar system but at the time (1957) it was state of the art.
In 1974 Tthe next series of radar to emerge was the WSR-74 unit. The there were two operating frequencies, C band and S band. The old WSR-57 units operated in S band (10cm) which had the advantage of distance, the C band (5cm) units had the advantage of much better storm detail. WSR-74 units were usually only turned on when severe weather approached or one of the existing WSR-57 units went down.
Finally in 1988 WSR-88D (Weather Surveillance Radar - 1988 Doppler) were introduced and an initiative was put forth to replace all existing units with WSR-88D stations and create a comprehensive network to fill any gaps areas which did not have coverage. WSR-88D units are S band units since range was chosen as the primary need. What makes NEXRAD so special is the Doppler effect. All of the other weather radars could only detect intensity, Doppler allowed for velocity data which meant storm outflow, inflow and rotation could be detected. NEXRAD also utilizes dual-polarization and 6 volume coverage patterns where the radar scans different tilt levels in series with different automated scan speeds, this allows for the composition of a 3 dimensional image of the atmosphere or any precipitation within it. After much research 3D velocity/reflectivity patterns were discovered which were associated with different phenomenon and algorithms were developed to automatically detect patterns as the radar sees them. This takes some stress off the meteorologists thankfully.
The problem which exists today is not in the detection of severe weather, but how much of that severe weather reaches the ground. When a mesocyclone is detected the storm may be 80 nm away from the radar station. The radar uses a lowest tilt level of 0.5 degrees, so a storm 80 nautical miles away means that the beam would be passing through it a minimum depth of 8500 ft and as a result since there are no tilt levels below 0.5 degrees, the meteorologists don't know how close to the surface the mesocyclone is. The same is true for everything else, hail, tornado vortex signatures, etc. What the radar allows is for an educated guess, spotters help the meteorologists determine how accurate their guess is.
Using hail as an example let's consider the following:
Something called VIL (vertically integrated liquid) is commonly used as a hail indicator. Based on local area climatology the radar can guess which hail is associated with a certain VIL reading. The problem however is that there are many unknown variables which exist with every storm environment. The freezing level could be very low or very high, the storm downdraft could be very intense lowering the freezing level.
So new let's say a VIL of 30 is detected in a storm. The radar automatically guesses there is a 90% chance the hail is 1.00 inch in diameter (when it hits the ground) and has a 30% chance of being bigger. A spotter then reports the hail is only 0.50 inches in diameter. Now the meteorologist can say with a good degree of certainty any storm with a max VIL of 30 is only producing small hail so a warning will not be needed but they now have a physical marker thanks to the spotter and know that if a VIL of 50 is detected then the hail will likely be 1.50 inch and need a warning.
So it is clearly demonstrated by this example that even non-severe reports can help meteorologists set perimeters which are more accurate and result in better warnings.
Another example would be non-mesocyclone induced tornadoes. A storm may hit a boundary and rotation may form below the lowest radar beam level. The storm may appear very ordinary in nature but there is a tornado on the ground under it and unless a report is put in the poor meteorologists will never know.
Hopefully this helps to give some insight into NEXRAD radar. The radar itself is a very powerful tool with very detailed velocity and reflectivity data. WSR-57 and WSR-74 units had an average peak resolution of several square miles appearing as a big blotchy blips, WSR-88D has a resolution of several hundred feet and new hardware and software will increase the resolution making it ~3x more detailed by 2010 when the enhancement project is completed.
Even after that new upgrades spotters will still be relied upon because the earths tilt prevents radars from seeing what is happening where it really counts being at ground level.
So no one worry, Nexrad is not going to make spotters extinct anytime soon!
Here in Canada we use a 5cm C band Nexrad system and even with the super high resolution many things fly under the radar, speaking figuratively of course, hi-hi.
73,
VE3VWX
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by VE3VWX on March 30, 2007
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I also do have some net control suggestions.
In the pre-storm environment read the local weather statements and give people an idea of what to expect.
When storms first develop accept general reports, minor flooding, wind, small hail and whatever else excluding thunder/lightning unless it causes notable damage (house fire?).
Also encourage individuals including those who are not trained to take part, don't ask for specific storm structure reports but have them report the obvious stuff and make sure everyone is aware that they have to make their report as concise and brief as possible. Tell everyone to take 5 seconds and compose any report in their head so that when they key up there is no humming and hawing or question as to what they should have to say.
When severe weather reports begin to come in keep the net open to less serious but still important reports (significant hail/wind). If the storm is preparing to drop a tornado that is when reports are limited to only very severe weather.
Keep the amount of audio activity on a net limited and make sure gaps are left. I know this may sound like a bad thing to do, but it works. If there is someone who has a critical report, advise them to briefly key up over another station with non-critical traffic if they have to in order to get your attention. Like I said, it is bad but if you hear them crossing over or a heterodyne at least you know to give priority ASAP.
These are just some personal suggestions from experience and what I have read in the comments thus far.
Great discussion!
73,
Tom
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by KC8VWM on March 30, 2007
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(Thought bubble)
ooO ..Gee, come to think of it, I am not very far away from having a "VWX" call. :)
73 de Volks Wagon Man
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by VE3VWX on March 31, 2007
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KC8VWM,
Hahaha, nope not far off at all, and I am not too far off from having VWM call =)
Hey by the way, how does the wx station hold up? I am guessing it is mobile right? I have contemplated a little inspeed anemometer but having a wx station right along with you is always a good bet too!
73,
Tom
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by KC8VWM on March 31, 2007
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Works well, I have both a home and mobile weather station linked on APRS.
Of course wind measurements readings are made when stationary and the rain guage is unreliable in mobile envioments unless you are stationary for the entire event. Howver, basically you use any cheap home weather station setup hooked in a mobile enviroment up to a cheap 486 hamfest special laptop operating both a GPS on one comport and then the laptop is configured to report the weather data and GPS position information via APRS when mobile using the other comport.
You can just download a free fully functional and registered version of "Weather Display Lite" for this purpose here:
http://www.fiu.edu/orgs/w4ehw/aprslitesetup.exe
Very easy to configure and use heck, even I can use and configure it for that matter. :)
As far as a mobile anemometer is concerned I found out they make one that is pretty inexpensive here:
http://www.inspeed.com/anemometers/default.asp
In addition, I have conteplated the idea of setting up all my radio antennas and my weather station measuring equipment on the roof rack of my Jeep Cherokee and then slapping on a made up magnetic bumper sticker that says something like:
"If your following me, you're about to have a very very bad day." j/k :)
Thanks for the article Tom. Very enjoyable.
73 de Charles - KC8VWM
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by K4RAB on March 31, 2007
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I have been involved in SKYWARN off and on since the late 1970's, starting with a group in Shreveport, LA which experienced a tornado touchdown the very first night in operation at the very airport where the net control was operating.
Like K4JSR, I am now living in north Georgia, I still see some occasional action and find that is it a bit different from Shreveport, which is on the edge of the Great Plains tornado belt. Rain shrouded tornadoes are far more common here, making spotting of the storm a great deal more difficult.
The thing I think is needed is far more training on two levels, one on observing the weather and being able to recognize severe weather in progress and in the making, and the other on how to behave on the radio. The NOAA courses are great, but I, and no doubt many others, have difficulty with the scheduling that currently exists. I would like to see more of these courses offered at hamfests and even on line so that more of us can become trained and the more experienced can keep refreshed and up to date. As for behavior on the radio, many just don't understand that unless there is a severe weather event in progress in their vicinity, they simply need to remain silent! Nothing is added to a net when an untrained individual is occupying a repeater rattling off about drizzling rain in their area. There could be a tornado on the ground while this bozo has the channel occupied! This “weather warrior” mentality makes us look like fools both to the Weather Service and to local governments as well. On many occasions, I have checked into a spotter net, and the only transmission I make is just to check in and make my presence known, and nothing more. I cannot overemphasize the need for training in this area.
Amateur radio offers up some great communications capabilities that are not found on your typical police or fire radio systems. Television and APRS are two that come to mind. The technology continues to improve. The thing we need to work on is the operator. He/she needs to know how to spot developing or in-progress severe weather, but that operator also needs to be far more aware as to how to operate on the air to provide only pertinent information and not useless “drizzle” reports.
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by KC9KOW on March 31, 2007
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"While it is unlikely that an ARES group would be called to action for a civil emergency, spotters play an active role many days of the year in different regions across the globe and many spotter groups are directly associated with ARES on some level."
Are you saying ARES is useless?
Are you maybe saying that ARES isn't there for emergencies? If so, then whatis the purpose, spirit, and function of ARES?
If you can assure the amateur community that ARES is not the "Amateur Radio Emergency Service" with a duty given by charter of the ARRL as commissioned by the FCC to operate functionally in times of emergency, be it civil, national, or otherwise....what is it?
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by W5HTW on March 31, 2007
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For an idea of what hams do AFTER a tornado, read the current ARRL Newsletter. Eight tornados swept through Clovis, NM last Friday. Thirteen took Eastern NM by surprize, doing considerable damage, causing many injuries and one death.
There was no amateur radio activity before the tornados, "as far as I know." Some occurred during the activity, and some more afterward.
Here in our area of central NM, the majority of storm spotters are not hams. They are sherrif's deputies, ranchers, business owners, and the like, who have taken the SKYWARN training, and have the capability of reporting severe weather conditions.
This is not a ham-only activity. Anyway can be a storm spotter. Here there are housewives, househusbands, and many others. I think our last SKYWARN class had about eight hams and about 25 or more non-hams, including police officers, volunteer fire personnel and medical personnel.
Ed
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by VE3VWX on March 31, 2007
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KC9KOW,
Sorry about that, it does not read as I would have liked it to. What I was implying is that ARES groups directly tend to see far less action than spotter groups do but both groups are interlinked usually in some fashion.
So individuals who are just ARES members and don't storm spot should consider spotting as an activity. Different people take part in ARES for different reasons, but there are many who want to take some civil action and be utilized. Due to many factors ARES is not used often so I believe many members who currently don't spot but are active ARES members would probably enjoy spotting where there is far more activity in conjunction to their ARES role.
It was by no means meant or intended to be a slanderous comment towards ARES in anyway, shape or form.
My apologies if it was read in that way, I hope this post serves as a rectification.
73,
Tom
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by KB9GIG on April 2, 2007
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Here in the Central Illinois (Coles County) area the Emergency Services people have taken a different direction in that they are into weather spotting for the money.
Yes, sad but true.
They seem to think they cannot function without federal funding, and of course this means that in order to receive federal funding ALL volunteers controled by a city or county organizations have to take a government mandated F.E.M.A /N.I.M.M.S written tests which have nothing to do with weather spotting.
Skywarn and ARES are no longer given any credibility in this area as their participation doesn't result in financial contribution from the federal government.
FEMA of course is famous for their incompetent, if not criminal, mishandling of the Katrina situation, as well as countless other horror stories.
Many times I have talked to fellow hams in storm affected areas that have told me about FEMA/NIMMS bureaucrats with no or very little experience running around with their chests all pumped up arguing over who gets to be incident commander, getting in the way of the actual volunteers.
As a result, they have lost valuble time and resources.
We have lost most of our volunteers over this, and I am really concerned for the safety of the people of this city and county.
I would suggest if you have a strong ARES/SKYWARN group, keep it going, don't loose it.
And keep the feds out of storm spotting.
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by AD5KL on April 2, 2007
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I go to the Advanced Spotter course given by NWS each year. There's always something new to learn, there's so much info you can't absorb it all in one sitting. I also try to make the TESSA (tessa.org) workshop each year for same reason.
I will check in on nets but generally keep quiet unless I am actually seeing something worth reporting. Someone else may need to use the frequency during the net with something way more important. And I definitely don't "chase" in the DFW area, with all the traffic that is insane. There is a parking deck with a great all-around view not far from home that I can report from (plus has the perk of hail shelter if need be.)
Incidentally I use the Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station, it is very good & has stood up to a lot of abuse. Now if I could just keep squirrels from putting their treats in the funnel of my rain guage :)
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by K4III on April 3, 2007
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Storm Spotting isn't just for hams, cbers, GMRS users or weather enthusiasts. Actually, there are road signs in FL along roadsides and weather radios state that in the event of severe weather, anyone with a phone or cell phone can give reports to the NWS. I'm sure they get quite a few bogus reports to shift through, but that's job security! They also have hurricane evacuation signs with radio stations for information.
Also, it is good PR (Public Relations) even if the reports aren't useful because it makes the public aware of weather and gives them a sense of security that they can contact the Weather Service and that their reports will help others. (Big Brother)
With all the latest technologies such as radar and satellite, there are few cases (maybe about 5% or less) where ground reports are actually helpful. Unless of course the Weather Service personnel are active regularly with dependable spotters in the field with some form of communication, and verify their reports regularly with ground personnel in the field during these events. Would you believe Joe Public or a satellite image? Would you put people in harms way to verify imagery? The reason ham reports are used for media? Personal info and such about patients and injuries is not public information. Enthusiasts talk about the actual weather event, while EMS, LAW, FIRE, etc talk about the lives of the people and personal property at stake for which you need approval from the person/s involved for public distribution. With Insurance Agencies policies and politics so rampant and dependent on "wording" of events, you could have a 5 mile stretch of fallen pines broke in circular pattern and if radar doesn't classify it as a twister, it potentially could be classified as "ocean breeze" or strange downdraft. Good luck filing a claim!
None-the-less, it is nice that one can take these beneficial classes offered to the public. They also allow one to take a class/es twice "Refreshers" and recommend doing so. They are very informative and assist in identifying various regional weather phenomena. They also assist the public by making people "self-aware" of the storms and their attributes. This is one way to keep yourself knowledgable and safe from "avoidable dangerous weather". I have taken advantage of this opportunity passing the advanced spotter certification class here in Tampa Bay. I've only witnessed waterspouts and hurricanes/tropical storms, but the "thrill" of viewing a twister would be exciting. (Of course from quite a safe distance)
And I'll have to add that the Weather Radio stations are also real good way to communicate not only weather but EAS-type national emergency traffic as well to the general public if they ever are used for this purpose. However, as always, expect some kind of delay in passing the messages to the public, especially when the reports come from the general public.
Safe Reporting...
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by KE5EOT on April 3, 2007
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The days of storm spotting, along with operations such as ARES and RACES may be numbered. Many states are passing laws making it illegal to operate a wireless device while driving. Most people think this only applies to cell phones, but the laws are being written with a very broad definition of "wireless device". One proposed law in Texas would double traffic fines if the driver is listening to a broadcast radio or cd player, or even talking to a passenger when another traffic violation occurs. I contacted one of our state legisltors about the wording of one of the bills and requested an exemption for Ham Radio operators. I explained the need for ARES and RACES operators that have mobile equipment and are familiar with its use, but was told that he was "hesitant to give an exemption for a practice that is inherently dangerous." Be aware, folks, having a mobile radio could be a very expensive proposition if it becomes a crime to use it.
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by KC8VWM on April 3, 2007
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With all the latest technologies such as radar and satellite, there are few cases (maybe about 5% or less) where ground reports are actually helpful.
Unless of course the Weather Service personnel are active regularly with dependable spotters in the field with some form of communication, and verify their reports regularly with ground personnel in the field during these events. Would you believe Joe Public or a satellite image?
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Gee, that must be some advanced radar system they have.
I wonder if it's no longer helpful to NWS or EMA for spotters to report flooded roadways, the location, direction and path of ropes on the ground, fallen trees blocking possible evacuation routes and missing house siding blowing into the streets from neighborhood homes?
It seems you are suggesting that this advanced radar system is more accurate and replaces the idea of "Joe Public" visual confirmation reports these days.
Curious, where does this 5% "useful" information statistic come from exactly? I would tend to think they would much rather prefer to rely on "Joe Publics" visual confirmation and information coming from the field, more than the idea of relying on someone sitting in an office chair inside a building seeing what may or what may not appear to be a hook echo displayed on a PC monitor.
The NWS has always "fiercely" supported ham storm spotters and equally we fully support the NWS.
I was once told directly by NWS and EMA officials, including the actual person who is responsible for throwing the counties Tornado siren switch on, that they rely quite heavily on storm spotter reports coming from hams in the field for most of their public siren alert activations.
Sorry, but radar technology really isn't "that" good. Even the NWS has openly admitted that fact many times themselves.
They tell me that newer advanced radar technologies is just another tool in the NWS and EMA tool drawer, from the bigger toolbox of things.
73 Charles - KC8VWM
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by KC8VWM on April 3, 2007
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I explained the need for ARES and RACES operators that have mobile equipment and are familiar with its use, but was told that he was "hesitant to give an exemption for a practice that is inherently dangerous."
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Equally or even more dangerous for the public is the idea of having no storm spotters assisting NWS and EMA.
You haven't solicited the "right people" to facilitate the exemption you are proposing. You are approaching them as an "individual" and not as an "entity."
I would suggest you contact the local NWS and EMA in your areas and I guarantee you they will be all over your city legislators like...
Well you can use your imagination to get the rest of the meaning...
As I mentioned before, I have personally seen the NWS "fiercely" in action supporting storm spotters activities in the past in similar legislative issues.
73 Charles - KC8VWM
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by K4JF on April 4, 2007
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""hesitant to give an exemption for a practice that is inherently dangerous." "
You should have asked him for documentation that using a mobile 2-way radio in simplex mode really IS "inherently dangerous". He would not be able to do so, and that would defuse that argument.
He would have to furnish proof that highway patrol, police and fire personnel have an increased wreck rate while using their radios. They are the most active group with records, probably similar to ham activity level.
We're going to have to stand up on this one, gentlemen. We have already let the FCC rule that we have no right to operate mobile, that it is somehow different from fixed. That can give the states one more tool to attack our mobile usage.
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by KC0YMX on April 11, 2007
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I've been a SKYWARN spotter for over ten years. I used to be terrified of storms, but I have since obviously conquered my fear. I just recieved my HAM ticket within the last year, and a big reason was because of the coordination between the HAM's and the weather service. A friend of mine, KC0WWV let me listen in one time, we were on standby for spotter duty. Since then I was really hooked on HAM radio. It wasn't by far the only reason I got the HAM ticket, but it made a huge impact on how much faster I accomplished the studying.
Posted above I read about the law of wireless radio and driving. It's borderline ridiculous. I know 3/4 of the time I'm actually stationary in a postion I can safely observe the storm, and the conditions. I may have to drive a little bit to get into position, but after that I'm stationary. I do see the point in being safe while driving, keeping all your attention on the road. But there has to be some give somewhere.
Also it isn't going to really matter how high tech technology gets, spotters will always be needed. Those high tech gadgets can always break down, and the more slicker they get, the more tempermental they get. In fact they should maybe concentrate on more intense training of spotters, instead of spending money on more high tech equipment. But it is important, I do realize. Anything is worthwhile when it comes to saving lives. It is the combination of the equipment (ex: radar) and the human eye that makes all the difference.
I've noticed in the last year or two my real skill is actually in placing the spotter's where they need to be. I've practiced much with reading the radar, and where circulation is located. I run relay between the spotters (who are not HAM) and the weather service when need be. But just the other day for the first time I was able to talk with the weather service directly, via radio. I was very impressed, and I hand it to all the spotters and the weather service for having things so well coordinated. We had HAMs calling in from various locations around the area, some even a few counties away. I was very impressed by how everybody was able to come together and communicate so respectfully.
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by K4JF on April 11, 2007
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Why are you shouting the word "ham"? We can all read it. (Ham is not an acronym, it should not be in capitals.)
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by VE3VWX on April 12, 2007
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KC0YMX is just full of joy!
Congrats and keep up the good work spotting!
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by KC0YMX on April 12, 2007
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Why are you shouting the word "ham"? We can all read it. (Ham is not an acronym, it should not be in capitals.)
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So you would ask me why I'm shouting it. Looks like it worked....:)
(sorry couldn't resist)
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by K4JF on April 13, 2007
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"So you would ask me why I'm shouting it. Looks like it worked....:)
(sorry couldn't resist)"
>chuckle< OK.... you got me! :o)
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by N5RNY on April 17, 2007
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W5HTW wrote:
>"Eight tornados swept through Clovis, NM last
>Friday. Thirteen took Eastern NM by surprize, doing
>considerable damage, causing many injuries and one
>death.
>There was no amateur radio activity before the
>tornados, "as far as I know." Some occurred during
>the activity, and some more afterward."
Dude...If you want the facts about the storm chasing acitvities in eastern NM the night of the tornado, please look at this website:
http://www.remote.arrl.org/arrlletter/07/0330/
Those guys were not "surprised" by the severe weather, they knew a day in advance it was gonna be bad. And there was a very active weather net well in advance of the tornado.
You are welcome to your opinion, of course, but several of my friends there were 'on station' the night it all happened.
Brian N5RNY
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by KC0HJX on April 17, 2007
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<<With all the latest technologies such as radar and satellite, there are few cases (maybe about 5% or less) where ground reports are actually helpful.>>
For what it's worth, the False Alarm Rate (FAR) for tornado warnings issued by the NWS is about 75%. That means that 3 out of every 4 tornado warning, on average, do not verify. Given this, ground truth is extremely important. To help in reducing the FAR, it's important for the personnel at the NWSFO to know not only what the storm IS doing, but also what is ISN'T doing. Of course, what it ISN'T doing is something that should be addressed when ask for, not being many "clear air" reports (which can clog up nets, as others have noted). This doesn't even address the PoD (Probability of Detection)... Not all tornadoes, as we know, are warned for beforehand, so the lack of a warning should not be a deterrent for making an observation and/or report.
To clear up a couple potential sources of confusion... The NEXRAD radar is, as someone else has noted, an S-band radar. Though the antenna used is relatively large, the azimuthal and radial resolution is often not sufficient to sample the actual tornado (unless the tornado is relatively large and occurs very near the radar site). There will be a new build that will yield "super-resolution" next year, but, even with the "upgrade", few tornadoes will ever be directly sampled by the radar. On a similar note, the WSR-88D radar is not a dual-polarized radar. This upgrade will come in a couple of years (I think), but it's primary benefit may be to precipitation estimates. Though the dual-pol upgrade will allow for precipitation discrimination techniques, it may not have much of an impact on rotation detection (mesocyclone, tornado cyclone, and/or tornado).
Finally, even with the biggest and baddest radars, physics eventually becomes a limiting factor. For example, no matter what the resolution, polarization, and power of the radar, ground-relative beam height increases due to the curvature of the earth cannot be mitigated. For example, at 70 miles from the radar location, the radar beam is (on average) about 7000 feet above ground. We have evidence of intense rotation extending all the way to a few hundred meters above ground without completely "touching down" (never becoming a tornado). Add in the fact that there are many, many non-tornadic supercells each year (some even have very strong rotation aloft), and it's easy to see why it's important to get visual information about the lowest levels of the storm (levels that the radars may not even be able to sample).
Personally, I think anyone thinking about spotting to try to be as accurate as possible. Having a ruler with you if you think you'll experience hail is one utensil that can help increase the accuracy of your report (assuming you use the ruler ;) ). The same goes for an anemometer (wind estimates tend to be quite bad, and I'm not claiming to be any better than anyone else in this regard).
If you are in doubt, make the report. That at least puts the ball in the court of the Net operator or NWSFO, and they can then decide whether and/or how to use that information.
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