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A Case for Casual Stations

Paul Veal (N0AH) on May 14, 2007
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In the hype of bigger is better in amateur radio, there is something to be said about keeping a station in moderate condition.

I enjoy my high tech rigs for example, but I always find enjoyment in using the low to mid price radios because of their simplicity.

I'm a big fan of backyard multi-band verticals with a small tri-bander on a tripod roof mount. I've lost interest in the big towers because they can be dangerous and a lot of work.

And I finally gave up on amplifiers but I realize that they have a purpose.

My shack now consists of the following: My FT-847, My Icom Po III, my MA5B on the roof and my Cushcraft 40/80V in the backyard. I also have my Shure keyer and Vibroplex.

I can still work the world but I don't have to be so loud in doing so. Downsizing can sometimes be a blessing. It can help keep things in perspective.

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A Case for Casual Stations  
by ONAIR on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Not to mention that downsizing can reduce the energy requirements of an amateur station. It's just another way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W9PMZ on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"It's just another way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. "

When did ham radio become an oil concern? Go buy some energy saving light bulbs to offset the ham station.

Didn't take long for the nut jobs crawl out of the cracks here.......

73,

Carl - W9PMZ

 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KD4AC on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
All I have is an Icom 746 (non-Pro) and a SteppIR vertical in the backyard and I do just fine with that. I'd like to have a beam someday, but that will have to wait until I get to a new location. I don't think I'll need an amplifier, but it might be nice to have.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by N2EY on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Not to mention that downsizing can reduce the energy requirements of an amateur station."

Yes it can - but not always. The reduction depends on a lot of factors.

"It's just another way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil."

Not really. In the USA, less than 3% of our electricity is generated by oil, and the percentage
drops every year.

If you want to reduce dependence on imported oil, there are much more effective ways:

- Reduce the amount of oil you use driving (more efficient car, keep it tuned up, combine trips, carpool, walk/bike/transit, etc.)

- Reduce the amount of oil you use for heating and domestic hot water (insulate, turn-down thermostat, wooly sweaters, shower with a friend....)

- Recycle plastics

- Use more locally-grown organic food (lots of oil is used to transport food across the country, and to produce food grown by conventional methods

The amount of electricity saved by a less-elaborate station isn't much.

Say you have an amplifier that draws 2000 W average when transmitting and 200 W when receiving. Suppose you are on the air 3 hours a day, every day, and transmit 33% of the time.

Each day, that amp will use 400 WH when receiving (two hours at 200 watts), and 2000 WH when transmitting (one hour at 2000 watts).

That's 2.4 kWH per day. At ten cents per kWH, aboutr a quarter's worth of electricity.

Put one load of clothes on a clothesline instead of in an electric dryer, and you can save that much. Or replace a couple of heavily used incandescents with CFLs and you'll save that much.

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W4LGH on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
You know, I guess you do what works for you. I would love to have a MA5B on my roof, but its not allowed in my neighboorhood, so I have to use wire antennas strung in the woods behind me. But I am an 80/40/20
meter guy, with some 17meters when its open.

I also used to think that an amplifier wasn't necessary. I did OK, but then came across a deal on an SB-200. SHe's do an honest 700watts, and what a difference! So the am bug bit. I had to have a bigger one, but it really didn't make a lot of difference, and I knew it was going to be a small difference on the far end, but when the amp bug bites, he bites hard.

As long as you are out on the air, and active, thats all the matters!!

73 de W4LGH Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W9OY on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
If you want to reduce your carbon footprint just shoot yourself in the head. You will become a net carbon donor instead of a consumer.

Any size station can be a lot of fun.

Big complex stations are fun because they are big and complex. Simple stations are fun because they are simple. Its a both/and kind of thing not an either/or kind of thing.

73 W9OY
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by ALLENCB on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I like simple stations as well. Currently, this is an FT-817nd running off internal batteries and resonant wire dipole. The entire package fits into a small bag and can be taken on trips easily. In fact, I did that this weekend when we went to our inlaws'. I strung up the dipole from the corner of their house to another structure and operated the radio from a nearby picnic table. I made exactly one contact (20meters), the only one I attempted, but I had fun.

Chris
KI4POT
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by K1LV on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I think this makes the case for conserving energy and whether it's oil or electricity, it all ends up being tied to green house gas emissions, which we should cut down on. Dont understand why the negative comments on someone who proposes reducing energy consumption.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by K0BG on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The old adage about the guy with the most toys being the winner isn't so. The one about a fool and his money is.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W2RDD on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Good article, good and valid points made.

You don't need a Humvee to get to the supermarket.

GL es 73
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by WS4Y on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I read the article as I always enjoy your articles
Paul but just the same I think I will keep up my
130 foot vertical for 160 meters. And I think I
will hang on to my AL-82. I do agree with the
idea though as I have had a blast operating my
10 watt IC-703 with a dipole while on trips away
from home.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by N4HRA on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I have a TS-2000 and a Dipole with SGC ATU, it does every thing I need,
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KI6EAA on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I am not sure how this thread ended up on a discussion about energy, but I had an interesting conversation with my teenage son this weekend about the subject. He was doing a report on global warming and energy use.

I told him to try to ignore politics and look at the facts. Interesting research came up.
--97% of greenhouse gases are naturally occuring, 3% are caused by man (from MIT)
--the earth has been on a warming trend for at least a couple of centuries. At the turn of the first millenium, the Thames river regularly froze over, and snow was reported in Egypt.
--Al Gore lives in a 10,000 square foot house (one of four he owns), and had a $13K natural gas bill last year. Politicians and celebs on all sides are poster children for waste, he found many examples.

OK, so I asked him what should I should do to help the ecology.

Ride the bike instead of driving my old beemer
Recycle everything possible
Stop buying unneeded junk made out of petrochemicals (My younger son looked at him in horror, as that would mean a reduction in Lego blocks.)

He also mentioned my "space heater" homebrew stereo tube amp and the Icom radio. "Just get an iPod and use Skype instead", he said. I think I may have created a monster.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W9PMZ on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I think this makes the case for conserving energy and whether it's oil or electricity, it all ends up being tied to green house gas emissions, which we should cut down on. Dont understand why the negative comments on someone who proposes reducing energy consumption. "

The level of significane is the issue. Less than 3% of electricity is generated by oil (from a previous post). Of that 3%, what percentage is attributale to ham radio?

Want to conserve oil? Get rid of the Hamvention! Think of all of the oil that could be saved in transporting all of us to Dayton, the tons of oil that could be saved in transporting the worthless junk, the tons of oil used to start the grills to cook the meat at the concession stands, the tons of oil used to transport the delicious food to the site, the tons of oil used to process the delicious food, the tons of oil used to manufacture the delicious food, and on and on.......

Not only do we save oil, but we probably save in the area of green house gas emission. Just the reduction in flatulance generated by the delicious food is argument alone!

Wake me when it's over....

73,

Carl - W9PMZ
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by NA4IT on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
On HF here:
Icom IC706MKIIG w/ home brew tuner and 40/60/80/160M wire dipoles and a 10/15/20M rigid dipole made out of a TA33 driven element.

On VHF/UHF:
ADI AR147 on APRS
Yaesu 8800 on voice
Azden 6000 on packet
Alinco DR235 on 220

Can work just about every digital mode out there with home brew interfaces and a AEA PK232MBX 7.2

de NA4IT
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by N2EY on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I think this makes the case for conserving energy and whether it's oil or electricity, it all ends up being tied to green house gas emissions, which we should cut down on."

I agree we should cut down on greenhouse gases. But the original poster was concerned with reducing dependence on imported oil, not greenhouse gases.

Not all energy production results in more greenhouse gases, either:

http://www.exeloncorp.com/ourcompanies/peco/pecores/peco_wind/

I signed up quite a while ago. Much more eco-friendly than other sources. The juice costs about two and a half cents more per kWH, though.

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by NI0C on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I'm glad, Paul, that you are enjoying your "downsized" station. Maybe I'll downsize too, after I work my last zones for the 5B-WAZ award that you achieved with your bigger station in Wyoming.

I'd like to remind those concerned about energy consumption of ham stations that energy is the time integral of power. Spending hours bleating your callsign in a DX pileup using a barefoot station could well consume as much energy as someone else's kilowatt station getting through with less time and effort.

73,
Chuck NI0C
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by N5IVZ on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Paul,

You are right, simple works and its fun!! Ten Year old Kenwood 850 and 25 year old Kenwood 830 into a Buddipole at 16 feet "hidden" in my lemon tree...
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KC8QFP on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< W9PMZ...
"It's just another way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. "

When did ham radio become an oil concern? Go buy some energy saving light bulbs to offset the ham station.

Didn't take long for the nut jobs crawl out of the cracks here.......

73,

Carl - W9PMZ >>>

===============================================

I guess I could downsize somewhat. I noticed my Hustler 5BTV is showing some signs of age. I also need to take it down to do some pruning and tuning, it's match is off. I may just do away with it all together, and hang some wire from tree to shining tree. Oh how I love to hug my treez!!! Ham radio gives ""tree hugging"" a whole new meaning! And saving "oil"... could that mean using a dry dummy load instead of the paint can? I wonder what using my air conditioner does for global warming? Oh my goodneess! Now where did I put that can of Frion! GEEZ! Should we turn off the tower lights to save energy? At least we have an electric car, it's kind of small, it's a RC Radio Shack model. Did you hug your tree today?

73, Don
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KC8QFP on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
For all you Art Bell fans out there...

Rather than downsize using old cheapie gear, I propose getting govy funding to set up a huge dish antenna and some real fine military rigs so as to WORK ALL PLANETS (WAP), WORK ALL MOONS (WAM), and WORK ALL GALAXIES (WAG) of course at the expense of all you fine taxpayers! There's gotta be somebody out there in UFO space??? Beats the helloutof EME! I'll need one hellofa linniker too. Maybe NASA can set me up when ""they downsize"" (or upgrade) with some fine govy surplus! Then I can reply to the celebrety thread when I talk to "MY FAVORITE MARTIAN" or Lt. Ahura aboard the Starship Enterprize, or Will Robinson aboard the Jupiter 2. ""That does not compute""!

73! Don
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by NXET on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
that is why they make radios with 100 watts

and they make 2000 watt amps.

Otherwise why not a transciver with 2000 watts.


Save on greenhouse gasses? I see no mention of nuclear power generation which produces NONE. All this hipe from AL is just so much BS. The British have proven that the ocean produces more gasses than MAN does. (GO to U tube and see their report they had on THEIR TV that OUR TV DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SEE. MAJOR REASION THAT NBC,ABC AND CBS DON'T WANT U-TUBE TO INFORM THE PUBLIC)

ITs just another "sky is falling, pay me for telling you so, dog and pony show"

As George C. Scott said in the movie "the formula' we are the ariabs. What we are told the oil is being sold for on the stock exchange is not what they are paying for it from them. Its manipulated by our own greedy oil cartel. If you check you will see that we only bring in 1/3 of the oil we use. Do we have oil? Yes the gulf is loaded with it. The British though bought the rights to it, sold to 'em by our own political dod-do's. We then buy it back from ARCO/BP at a inflated rate spuring their economy. Why do you think the britz are our friends?

Now how can my little radio be bigger than a drop in the bucket of the energy used? If we don't go to nuclear power then the electric cars are not effecent. Do the math. You have to get the electric from some place and at 0ne and a half times the energy used in todays batteries for replacement its not very effecent. This leaves us with the IC engine as being still the winner. hydrogen fuel is tough to make chemically. So again nuclear power (electric distlation) is the only way to go. Yet our so called political leadership is activly going---where. Seems they don't lead but follow now a days like the donkies they show on their party hats.

Solar is a option to run your station on. It requires some sort of load bank to save the juice in. Again not very effecent but so long as the sun is out your good to go and don't care.

Don't know many amps that run off solar though.

I use 100 watts for CW, which works out to be like a amp on the bands. I use 1000 watts for phone and still get run over. Gee now you know why I stick with CW. Its not a power saving thing. Its common cents. (grin) If the government was serious about getting us off oil they would strike up a deal with the chip manufactur's and start handing out solar cells for roof tops.
Then again the government would be shooting themsleves in the foot as the taxes they collect for the higher prices of gas (a amount we need weekly to go to work and back) is making them a windfall amount just like the gas companies they are in bed with. Now you know why they arn't doing anything about the price fixing. Sort of makes you wonder huh. (you should see what they are doing to keep the airlines flying off your tax dollar using the ongoing war surplus for cheap fuel. now you know why the war is not over and our boys coming home)
Talk about greenhouse gas genarators, lets talk airlines jets. In one hour they put out more than a whole cities population of cars. Yet do we see the AL Gores' truth in the matter?

So lets see my radio will run on solar or nuclear generated power, my car would run on its products too. it will save the oil. keep the air clean due to no carbon footprint. So where is the leadership? If they really wanted to DO somthing why ARN't they. Its all about the money friends. Were just pawns in the game they play us on. They have their's, which was ours.

Enjoying my 100 watts of rf on CW where the intellegent people roam.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by WB2WIK on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Nice short article!

It all depends what you want to do. In HR, I've tried *almost* everything, and some aspects of the hobby are much more hardware dependent than others.

DXing is fun, but so is just chatting and meeting new friends. The main reason I even bother to maintain amplifiers, a tower and beams is to make the most of what little operating time I have. I can get on, make contacts, and get off pretty quickly sometimes with about a 99% chance for success. With less hardware, the time might be longer or the success rate lower -- but it can still be done.

Since I just got a new car, I haven't installed an HF rig in it yet and might try "minimalist" HF work mobile, just for fun and to put the FT-817 to some use. Never know, with luck and timing...anything's possible.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by K4JSR on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Alan stated, "The old adage about the guy with the most toys being the winner isn't so..."

Alan forgot to add to that, "He is still dead, though!"

Ham radio is just like sex. The worst I ever had was still totally wonderful!!! And it did not have to be with the prettiest rig out there, either way!

Good article. Why hasn't somebody started the old Fan Dipole Vs. No Code fight?

 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by K4JSR on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Steve;
Get off of your "maximus" and try your minimal! ;D
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W6TH on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
.
I've had 75 foot towers, triband yagis, 2 es 3 el quads, CF Zepps, you name it and I had it. Several antenna tuners. All on 1 1/4 acres of land.

I now own just a simple station with a pair of Icom 718s,a Icom 756 Pro III and a IC-V8000. The antenna is nothing more than a 33 foot wire running across my bed room; for 2 meters an indoor "J" Pole of ladder line, I just monitor that band.

The band activity, which is almost nil, certainly has cut down my operating time, yet, I am having just as much enjoyment as I did with the big station and now using the Pro III as a boat anchor and most use of the 718s

I have the feeling, looking forward to ham radio, is on the way to enjoying another service.

W6TH

.:
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by W3OZ on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!


"Just the reduction in flatulence generated by the delicious food is argument alone!"

I’ll be in Dayton engaging in flatulence to my hearts content. AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!


 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by K8AG on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
My station has never been an "upsized" station. To me, the purpose of amateur radio is to provide a pool of technically able people for whatever unforeseen events may come along. If the point of amateur radio is to make as many contacts as possible, cell phone technology is a much cheaper and more efficient way of simply "making the contact". We don't really impress people when we show how we can talk to New Zealand on $10K worth of equipment with another $10K of tower and antennas strewn up in the sky above our shack. I have literally had friends pop out a cell phone and call a friend in a country that I was so proud to get "directly" with my antenna and 5 watts of power.

For me its how we make the connection, not that we make it. The less infrastructure and power and equipment, the more impressive. When I tell my kids that my radio that signal (less power than a Christmas tree light and an antenna that is simply a wire strung between two trees) was detected in Europe, they actually understand a bit why its so fun.

My 2 cents.

73, JP, K8AG
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by N0ZLD on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
To each his own! I consider my station small...

Radio - IC-7000
Tuner - AT-7000
HF antenna - Hexbeam
V/UHF antenna - Comet GP-3
Mobile antenna - Shark hamsticks w/mag mount

I am a big fan of minimalism. I see pictures of shacks with tons of equipment - radios, tuners, power supplies, amps, dials and gauges for everything under the sun - and just get sick to my stomach. To much junk!

N0ZLD
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by ICR71A on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There is a simple solution to dependence on "foreign" oil. The US simply invades Mexico, which has vast reserves. This strategy also solves the immigration issue, as well as statistically raises most poor US families above the poverty line with the incorporation of poor Mexican nationals as citizens. See?
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by PA5COR on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
As ham we have the choice to set up te station as we like it.\
Beeing QRP or QRO, as long it is what the individual ham is happy with.

Just using the FT 847, Collins filters bandswitchdiode fix, referrence xtal heater/stabiliser and some more.
FT100 for mobile and on vacations, and te MFJ 993B tuner.
Mostly running 100 watts, bu the restored Heathkit SB - 1000 is used now and then.
For antenna i mostly use the original FD-4 wit added coil and wire for adding the 160 meters to it, or on 15 - 12 - 10 an bit changed Imax 2000 ex 11 meter vertical wich got an new lease of life.

I rather tinker with gear, love the smell of an hot soldering iron.

We all have the opportunity to get the station we want to set up, and pick the modes and bands we most like.

As long we all have fun in the hobby, learn from it, it's fine for me.
I use low energy lamps since 25 years the day they came out, just budgetary reasons, i will not save on electricity for the hobby.

Just my choice as we all haveour free own choice.

73,
Cor
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W4LGH on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
K1LV said...
"I think this makes the case for conserving energy and whether it's oil or electricity,
it all ends up being tied to green house gas emissions, which we should cut down on.
Dont understand why the negative comments on someone who proposes reducing energy consumption."

Interesting about the energy comments, and greenhouse gases. I have always said that most of what we have has always been here. Remember the old saying.."Nothing New under the sun?" If we had NEVER used ANY OIL/COAL or other fossel fuels, just the increase in population on this earth would increase these greenhouse gases! Most of your middle and upper class whites have cut back on having children, now if we could just get the black and latino cultures to follow. Hell even the Chinese have cut back. One MUST remember that each person born takes additional resources, we are all parasites on this planet, and are using it up at a very high rate. Next the gasohaul people will raise the price of corn up so high we won't be able to afford it, and there is lots of stuff made from corn!! Then the fuelcell people will get that working good, and we will burn up all the water on this planet making hydrogen. Then we WILL be in trouble my firends!!! Electric and hybred cars are NOT fuel effecient or polution-less, the polution was made in one place where the batteries were made, and don't forget the figure in the price for replacement batteries, when you figure your milage on these cars!!

There is NO free ride, lunch or promises of rose gardens, no one is entitled to anything, except the right to persue their dreams!! People better wake up soon and realize the facts. Nuclear power is probably the best bet, if they can figure out what to do with the waste, make it safe and affordable.

ANyway, enough on gases, energy and polution...However I don't think having a small station apposed to having a large station will make much of a dent into our energy reserves. Besides it all depends on how long you are running it. 1000 watts for a big station a hour a day is only an extra 1000 watts, a 100watts for a small station for 10hrs a day is still a extra 1000watts.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

See ya in Dayton!
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by KE4ZHN on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Ive always used a small station since I got licensed. Ive had as much if not more fun than others who have spent thousands and thousands on the hobby. You dont need tons of gear to have fun. Make the best of what you have and youll enjoy the hobby as much as anyone else.
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by AI2IA on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
This is a good article in that it evokes comments. To each his own. As for me, I decided long ago that I would choose one activity to be my primary hobby. There are lots of things I can do, but limits help keep things in order. In amateur radio I will purchase and use anything that looks like it will help me enjoy the hobby. If I find that I have useful gear sitting around that I don't use much, I quickly sell it or give it away, and move on. I have made a lot of friends happy and helped newcomers just by passing along perfectly good gear that does not suit me. I am not a big spender, but I am not afraid to let go of things either. This keeps me a happy amateur.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W9PMZ on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Alan - W4LGH, very wise and sound words.

For any of those who wonder about energy consumption in a Hummer vs. a Prius please see:

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/print_item.asp?NewsID=188

As long as the space race has been going on you'd think that if there were a break through in fuel cells becoming energy cycle feasable it would have been done.

For now the best hope is in nuclear energy, but those enviromentalists are to busy driving their Prius's.

Go figure,

73,

Carl - W9PMZ
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by 2ARADIO on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Next the gasohaul people will raise the price of corn up so high we won't be able to afford it, and there is lots of stuff made from corn!!"

I guess I'd rather see some American farmers making money for a change - rather than being held hostage by foreign oil producers.... (might have to cut back on corn flakes though.)

I'd just like to be able to tell the oil producing countries to take their oil and... well, put it somewhere!
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by KF4HR on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Paul. "Casual Stations" is a pretty wide reaching term. I can imagine several people reading your post think you have a rather large or at least moderately sized station. It's relative.

I think the size of a station depends on what that amateur is trying to achieve - but a lot of times we add "more"... just for good measure! For example, if your goal is just to "work the world" your station could be made even more casual by selling off your ProIII or 847, and surviving on one of those fine radios. Or even switching to a QRP rig and attic antenna. You'd still be able to still accomplish working the world just fine - albeit perhaps a bit slower.

How "casual" we decide to build our stations depends a whole lot on what we're trying to accomplish. If we only have a small agenda; say working our buddies on our local FM repeater, or casually working-the-world, our equipment list could be fairly small to accomplish those goals.

Then again, if an amateur digs deep into this hobby and finds they enjoy many of its facets; DX'ing (FM, SSB, Digital, MS), Contesting, Digital Voice, CW, rag chewing, digital, qrp, ATV, oh and don't forget, and don't forget EME, and perhaps most importantly... they want to do it right and on all or most of our bands, then there no getting around multiple pieces of radio gear, amps, accessories, and a lot of antennas.

Nothing wrong with taking either approach, or any path in between. That's what great about this hobby; you can just stick your toe in the water, or dive fully in.

As for those worried about carbon emissions and this hobby... consider going solar, or using some other power alternative.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by ICR71A on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Alcohol for fuels is already ungodly expensive. What makes it particularly oderous is that companies such as Archer Daniels Midland are heavily subsidized by the government for each gallon of alcohol they produce.

Mad George's administration has already set diversion goals of millions of acres to corn and switch grass for ethanol production in the next decade. These expanded crops will displace conventional food crop production, inevitably driving the cost of commodities upward as the cost of human and animal feed stock rises. Even with the use of biodiesel in farm equipment, the ethanol replacement paradigm is a study in negative economic costs. Sounds good to the tree huggers, corporate farm cooperative conglomerates, and giant distilling companies.

Dont forget that this wonderful ethanol mix gasoline delivers approximately two thirds the mileage of petroleum derived fuel, as ethanol is 50% less efficient than straight gasoline. A study in more for less.

As Yogi Berra said, "Theory and practice are the same, except in practice..."
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by N6AJR on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I say you put up the station you like. my vehicles have minimalist stations, barefoot radios and screwdriver antennas, and in the house I have several stations set up, with each having its own autotuner and amo, and then there are my extra raios, I think a total of 11 or 12 hf rigs, and such here is an older pic of the shack

http://hometown.aol.com/catfishtwo/N6AJR.html

I say lets convert this country to alcohol fuels like they did in Brazil, it works , much less polution, and alcohol can be made from everything cellouse, from corn to yard trimmings and the grass cuttings you put out for the city to dump.

farmers grow corn and send the whole plant, including stocks to the mill, who grinds it all up, puts it in a sealed vat and let it fermeant in some water, distill the mash and get fuel, take the methane gas produced by the fermentation and use it the fire the plant to distill the fuel, and the left over mash becomes a high protien cattle feed, who process it to manure and this goes back to the farm as fertilizer,.. closed loop, every body makes a couple of bucks, the fuel sells at a profit for about 50 cents a gallon, has a very hi octane rating .

tell the Arab countr\ieys to eat their oil, we don't need to buy it any more. so all those radical countries who don't like us, don't have to deal wih us as they slowly starve because we ain't supporting their terriorst countries by buying oil.. works for me..
 
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by W7ETA on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Glad to see you have a station you enjoy operating.

If bigger gives one more enjoyment, then bigger is better.

If you can't have a tower installed to specs, and maintain it, then a tower is indeed too dangerous for you.

73
Bob
 
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by G0GQK on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
What's all this about downsizing saving on foreign oil !
Just take a check and see how much power your radio consumes, its peanuts ! If you are thinking about saving the country buying lots of foreign oil, don't use your air conditioner, just sweat it out during the summer !

G0GQK
 
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by N4VNZ on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah, I would like a car that runs on alky...with a "sippin'" tube running to the driver...

Also, a nitrous oxide setup with an auxillary inhaler mask...

This would make the trip to Dayton go a lot faster.

Oh, yeah, alcohol burns cooler...might eliminate the need for antifreeze/coolant in yer motor.

Alky is quite corrosive to aluminum, would require different materials for induction systems.

At the price of gas now, you can just about run your car on cheap bourbon...

If you guys think that the price of gas is due to anything but greed on the part of those who sell it to us here in this country, think again. This is part of a larger plan, which has not been revealed to us as of yet.

BTW, I have just "downsized" from 70 acres to 1.8, and am also 30 miles closer to where I work, so you tree-huggers, rejoice! Surely I am doing my part.

Ride your motorsickle more...and yes, I have hammed from the bike with an 817 bracketed to the windshield and a whip on the luggage rack...

73, Boog
 
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by W8KQE on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I can relate! Over the years, i've found it plenty fun and challenging to run lower profile 'barefoot' stations, so i've never owned an amplifier or huge tower. My 'intrigue level' for the hobby/service has always been higher taking into consideration being able to communicate worldwide running only 100 watts or so, or even QRP, using simpler antenna setups. My only yagis used since being licensed in 1977 have been Mosley 'Juniors' at 25 to 30 feet on the house roof (chimney mount- this also keep my coax runs short, limited to 50 feet). First, a TA-33 JR (lasted me 20 years while living in Jersey), and currently a TA-32 JR (10 years so far here in Ohio). They perform very well, and i'm not concerned about a lightning strike as I would if I had a 50 or 100 foot tower reaching for the sky. My only vertical at the moment is a 'GAP Eagle DX' essentially ground mounted. I always work the rare pileups on phone and CW, and i've even been able to work over 310 grids (even South America, Europe, Africa, Caribbean, Central America) on 6 meters using a small 'PAR Omniangle' at 30 feet with my 'original IC-756' (non 'PRO'). The beauty of Ham Radio is that there are so many choices, and one can do very well with basic setups! To each his or her own.
 
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by N3DG3 on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Downsizing indeed, can be a blessing.

As one matures, they realize that:

The more you have, the more headaches you have...and with more expense, hassles, etc., while peer pressure, marketing hype, status and ego, mean less.

Ham radio is a hobby and a passion for some. Regardless of affordability or resources, whether it be a car, house, Hot YL, spouse or station...Low Maintenance is indeed, a blessing.

Who needs a headache ?

For who ?

For what ?

73,

N3DG
 
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by KE5MOF on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Ive started small, and dont plan on getting much more to the setup than ive got now, a couple more rigs to tune in the bands/modes i dont already have... and a few simple antennas. no amps, no towers.

Currently running:
TS-530S w/ random wire antenna (more for listening)
HTX-252 w/ mag mount
Cherokee CBS-500 CB w/ no antenna yet
FT-60 Handie on 2 & 440
Uniden Bearcat base scanner (easily 10 years old) using factory antenna.

Im going to add a 440 mobile, so that my HT can be on me at all times, not dedicated to shack use. Im also going to add 6m and maybe 1.25m

Ill eventually be running a Slinkyantenna on tuner for the HF, and then verticals for all the others. The only band i wont have from 1.25 - 160 will be 60m.

Im currently working on my general. That way i can stop scanning the hf and actually talk... 10m is silent no matter how much I yap into the mic, theres no reply.

Just remember, you dont need the latest and greatest, im still a new ham in my own books, and i already own old and new equipment... its all in what you can get, keep it simple, and it almost always works.
 
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by KI6ADA on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I have a small station. In fact you will find it on "ZED". I would like to get a nice contest rig and use my current rig for "emergency use".

I will not worry about other people collecting radios. I like to collect model trains. My wife cringes every time I get my model railroad magazines.

I think energy is always a concern for all. I would like to pursue a further interest in solar energy.

An "AMP"? If I had an AMP at my QTH, I would shut down every cordless phone and other portable devices within 100 feet of my location.

Great topic and lots of great input.

73,
Steve
 
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by N2EY on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"For any of those who wonder about energy consumption in a Hummer vs. a Prius please see:

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/print_item.asp?NewsID=188"

A very flawed and misleading article.

Try these for a more accurate version:

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Green_Car_News/Prius_Versus_HUMMER_Exploding_the_Myth.S196.A12220.html?pg=1

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?p=169059

"As long as the space race has been going on you'd think that if there were a break through in fuel cells becoming energy cycle feasable it would have been done."

The Prius does not use fuel cells.

The "space race" wasn't about efficiency or cost effectiveness. It was about doing pioneering things almost regardless of cost.

"For now the best hope is in nuclear energy, but those enviromentalists are to busy driving their Prius's."

The big problem with nuclear energy is what to do with the waste. Nobody has a good answer to that - yet.

But there's a lot that can be done. Wind power is practical and a growing source of electricity. More energy-efficient appliances, computers, lighting and climate control systems can make an enormous contribution. (Imagine a 10 watt LED lamp bulb that gives the light of a 100 watt incandescent, lasts 100 times as long, and costs a few dollars).

Ethanol is a way to stretch the supply of gasoline, but it's not a long term solution unless there are other changes.

My personal favorite is diesel. Diesel fuel can be made from vegetable oil, which is easier to deal with and has more energy content than ethanol. Modern auto diesels are capable of incredible fuel efficiency and good performance, while meeting all environmental regulations. Heck, my old 1980 VW Rabbit Diesel got well over 40 mpg in the worst city driving imaginable.



73 de Jim, N2EY



73 de Jim, N2EY
 
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by W9PMZ on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
My intent on fuel cells was that they have been used a long time now, and I keep hearing from my tree buddies that it's only a matter of time before they'er feasible; not that the Prius uses them. Regardless, seems that there is little info on mass usage.

Regarding the "rebuttal" article, seems like a lot of instances to refute the original article, but nothing to promote the Prius. Further, regardless of the nickel mines status, it's still there contributing to the ecological disaster. I'm not convinced that there is no merit to the original article.

Finally, if you accept global warming I cannot understand the rebuking of nuclear energy. Worry about nuclear waste when the atmosphere is warming due to greenhouse gases? Just keep on pumping them into the atmoshpere.

Another thing on greenhouse gasses, China will overtake the US in contribution next year. Most of their power generation is coal fired. What are they doing?

Regarding wind power, what about birds getting shredded in the blades??????????
 
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by N5YPJ on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
An antenna beats no antenna and WILL make some contacts which is what counts. The "justification" for our frequency allocations are no doubt related to emergency comms something a pretty poor antenna can do. I find that the new sound card modes really open the door for my modest station making contacts even when the bands are poor. Less is often more.
 
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by N6BIZ on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
w9pmz i guess onair fiques the less knobs in a radio the less oil was used in making it i guess it takes all kinds god bless america
 
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by WW0H on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I guess my station has always been a "casual" station. I have a Kenwood TS 430S I bought new, an Alpha-Delta multiband dipole and a Cushcraft A4S, also bought new, at 35'. Not fancy, but I have fun. I even won the Nebraska November Sweeps Phone - low power in 2004! Not bad for a non-contester popgun station.
 
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by N2EY on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Regarding the "rebuttal" article, seems like a lot of instances to refute the original article, but nothing to promote the Prius."

The Prius uses far less energy over its life cycle. The article ignores this.

"Further, regardless of the nickel mines status, it's still there contributing to the ecological disaster."

Not at all.

The nickel mine/smelting operation in Ontario has been in operation for many decades. The ecodisaster there is a result of mining practices of long ago, which have long been stopped. Current nickel mining practices are much, much cleaner.

Also, that mine produces more than 175,000 tons of nickel per year. Prius batteries use about 1,000 tons of that output per year.

If nickel is such an ecodisaster, we should stop using NiCads, NiMh batteries, AlNico magnets, chrome plating, several types of alloys used in bearings, etc.

See the rebuttal article. The details are all there.

"I'm not convinced that there is no merit to the original article."

Look at *all* the facts. The original article selects only certain ones, and leaves out the rest. For example, in its cost comparisons, it assumes that a Hummer will last 379,000 miles, but that the comparison Prius will only last 109,000 miles. Huh?

That's just one example.

"Finally, if you accept global warming I cannot understand the rebuking of nuclear energy. Worry about nuclear waste when the atmosphere is warming due to greenhouse gases? Just keep on pumping them into the atmoshpere."

You have to look at the entire cycle, not just the nuclear plant itself.

For example, how much energy does it take to mine and extract the uranium used to make the fuel rods for the reactors? How much energy to transport and store all the waste for centuries to come? How much energy to build and maintain a safe nuclear plant and all the support infrastructure, over the entire useful life of the system?

I'm old enough to remember being told that, in the future, I'd live in an all-electric world where nuclear reactors would produce energy that was "too cheap to meter!". Never happened and probably never will.

This doesn't mean we should give up on nuclear power - just the opposite! But it's not a magic solution, just part of the overall picture.

"Another thing on greenhouse gasses, China will overtake the US in contribution next year. Most of their power generation is coal fired. What are they doing?"

They're looking at alternatives, because they're starting to realize that they are poisoning their own country. They're building hydro dams and other sources, not just burning coal.

"Regarding wind power, what about birds getting shredded in the blades??????????"

That's a matter of proper siting of the windmills. Some early windfarms were sited in migratory paths and in predator hunting areas. Experience has found better sites, and better turbine designs that are more visible to the birds that do show up.

---

There's no one magic-bullet solution to all the energy problems. But there *are* solutions, if we're willing to look at them objectively and use the good ones.

For example, what about LED lamp replacements? They're coming, and will make flourescents look wasteful and short-lived by comparison. LEDs are already in use for specialty applications: many places are replacing their traffic lights with LEDs, both for the energy savings and their long life. LED traffic signals typically use 10-20% of the energy of incandescents, and when you consider that the simplest 4 way signalled intersection has at least 8 lamps lit at any time, (they're 67.5 watts each) and that traffic lights operate 24/7, the savings are considerable.

That's just one solution.

73 de Jim, N2EY


 
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by W4CNG on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Life is too short for QRP and all the other third thru infinitum places. I'm having the time of my life Reliving my Childhood on Ham Radio. It costs a bunch of $$$$ (well into 5 digits) but it is fun and running a KW into the Attic Antenna system is way more fun than trying to string 20GA stranded black wire thru the trees and load it with a lossy tuner. My SUV gets 22MPG and I have never been to Dayton. I have already gotten over the small limiting issues. Working on my "Casual Station" which is a DX40 with VFO, D-104 Mic, and HQ-100A receiver with a DOW Key antenna relay feeding my full sized 75, 40, 20 meter dipoles. I really want another Green Webster Bandspanner for my SUV.....
Good Luck
Steve W4CNG
 
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by KC8QFP on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< Alan sez: "If we had NEVER used ANY OIL/COAL or other fossel fuels, just the increase in population on this earth would increase these greenhouse gases! Most of your middle and upper class whites have cut back on having children, now if we could just get the black and latino cultures to follow. Hell even the Chinese have cut back. One MUST remember that each person born takes additional resources..." >>>

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If we consider how the population is reduced do to ABORTION and birth control, planned parenthood has done onehellofajob reducing the welfare handouts. But this doesn't work on Catholics who are anti-abortion and anti-birth control, many of which are Latino. I wonder how pro-choice liberal democrat blacks (Al and Jessie fans) would feel if they realised that abortion and birth control was targeting reducing their population to keep them a ""minority""? Pretty soon it will backfire, and the white people will be the minority. The Asians and Romans are taking over the world!!!

ARRL = Asian Radio Retail Litigators
And I sure hear a lot of Latinoes buying them - my radio is loaded with espanol "DX" from Mexico and South America! Don't be surprized if many of the new no-coders speak Spanish! No hablar CW!
 
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by KC8QFP on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< "Ethanol is a way to stretch the supply of gasoline, but it's not a long term solution unless there are other changes" >>>

Heck, IF we take all that junk food, candy, sodee pop, and all the other carbo-hydrates we are addicted to consuming, and use it as fuel instead, it would be no problemo, and we'd be healthier as well! But this is another way to reduce the welfare population - JUNK FOOD, it kills off what abortion and birth control doesn't get! I wonder if tobacco plants can be used for fuel? Another population killer that can be used for fuel! My car runs on Camel tar and niccotine fuel!
 
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by KC8QFP on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Consider this, one way we will reduce fuel consumption in the USA will be do to all the lost jobs going to foreign lands. No jobs means no commute to/from work every day. No income means no money to buy things, so the car sits in the driveway. That works! There you go Al Gore!
 
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by KB5DPE on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Didn't take long for the nut jobs crawl out of the cracks here"

Now, that wasn't very nice! Why does every thread on this site have to reek of animosity? I swear, if just one thread on this site could run its course without a single offending (and offensive) word, I think I would be so startled that I might be tempted to send in a modest subscription and if it were the rule, rather than the exception, I might even be tempted to send in a more generous subscription. On the other hand, I don't think it's going to take too much more of this juvenile bickering to cause me to totally lose interest in visiting this site as I have already done with on-the-air operating. I know, "don't let the door hit you..."(etc., etc.). That's just my point! And people decry the large number of hams that lose interest and fall away from the hobby. Gee, I wonder why?
Tom
 
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by KC8VWM on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

In an effort to do my part to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, I no longer turn on the light when I go to the bathroom.

Don't waste electricity powering an electric blanket. Placing your favorite boat anchor between the sheets for five minutes will make your bed toasty warm.

I wonder how many tons of green house emissions are generated into the environment by millions upon millions of evil cell phone users who leave them silently sitting on their chargers with no regard for the environment as their stand by LED's are carelessly left on the entire time they are unused robbing us and our children's future of valuable wasted energy for no apparent mindless reason whatsoever. However, if they had chosen amateur radio equipment for their communication needs, this would clearly not be happening.

I suggest physically disconnecting all power robbing led stand by lights on all and any household appliances including such unused displays observed on DVD players, stereos, microwave ovens and that pesky and annoying flickering bulb on the deep freeze.

I don't really need a light to tell me my freezer is no longer working. I am sure the smell will be obvious enough. ...Duh?

Also, cut all the power cords on all wall wart villains to prevent them from stealing our children's future and silently killing us all.

Speaking of children, you should get them involved by strapping them to exercise bikes to power their Play Stations.

I found that installing a methane converter to my radio equipment on the 80 meter band would effectively remove approx. 20,000 tonnes of bull **** heard every Saturday night into useful energy capable of powering hundreds of ham shacks across the nation until the year 2017.

:) 73
 
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by KY1V on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

W2RDD wrote...

"You don't need a Humvee to get to the supermarket"

I beg to differ with you, I need a Land Cruiser to take all four of my small (can't leave at home) children to the supermarket and even then there is barely enough room to fit the groceries and still have them seated properly with seat belts on.

That's what ticks me off about people like Bill Orielly and others scoffing at people who drive SUV's, they all think the same "if I don't need it, surely no one else does either."

By the way, when I go by myself, I drive my much more economical BMW Z4 coup, although it is limited in grocery capacity also.

David ~ KY1V

Living the dream, bigger is better - www.6y1v.com

 
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by N0AH on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W7ETA..................

Don't worry Bob, I know a little something about towers. Climbing up 75 feet, going around stacked log periodics and two sets of guide wires, was always and adventure. I had four towers at one point- etc.....

I am not being anti-big gun station here...I'm just saying I don't miss my big gun equipment like I thought I would as the hobby still has so many great things. The big time equipment could and did mask for me at times the adventures of running a casual station of sorts- Same reasons I gave up contesting.

Now my big thing is making trucks RFI proof. Always something new eh?

Hope this sheds some light-
 
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by N6AJR on May 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!















And remember the original topic is Casual Stations









so where did he rest of this bovine fecal defication come from...naner naner

















 
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by VE3TMT on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Nice short article. Just once however I would like to see one that stays on topic. My station...TS850 with an R7 and G5RV "Lite". I don't bust a pileup on the first call or work all the rare ones, but I do enjoy every QSO.
 
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by W4LGH on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
2ARADIO says..."I'd just like to be able to tell the oil producing countries to take their oil and... well, put it somewhere!"

There is...just tell the ARABs we will give them 1 barrel of food for 1 barrel of oil! If they don't like that deal, they can EAT their oil! Now what is it worth? If you can't eat it, it worth NOTHING!
This country created the OPEC, we made them wealthy, and gave them all the gold. We would never do the 1 for 1 trade deal...the tree huggers would say it was in-humane.
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ICR71A says..."Alcohol for fuels is already ungodly expensive. What makes it particularly oderous is that companies such as Archer Daniels Midland are heavily subsidized by the government for each gallon of alcohol they produce.

Mad George's administration has already set diversion goals of millions of acres to corn and switch grass for ethanol production in the next decade. These expanded crops will displace conventional food crop production, inevitably driving the cost of commodities upward as the cost of human and animal feed stock rises. Even with the use of biodiesel in farm equipment, the ethanol replacement paradigm is a study in negative economic costs. Sounds good to the tree huggers, corporate farm cooperative conglomerates, and giant distilling companies.

Dont forget that this wonderful ethanol mix gasoline delivers approximately two thirds the mileage of petroleum derived fuel, as ethanol is 50% less efficient than straight gasoline. A study in more for less."

We tried this once before, back in the late 70's and it was a disaster. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to make the same mistakes.
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http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/print_item.asp?NewsID=188

This article couldn't be any more TRUE! I have said it since the inception of hybred cars. MOre polution, more energy over all for hybreds. Then figure in the cost of replacement batteries, and DISPOSAL of the used batteries!!!!

Hybreds are a FARSE, a MARKETING tool to sell cars!


I drive an SUV, my wife has an SUV. I ride my motorcycle whenever I can to save some gas, but the motorcycle only gets 37mpg. The only way to save energy is to use less of it.

Wind and Solar are another good was to produce energy, and more needs to be done in these areas. The new Ocean wave tubes are interesting too!

Going to Dayton! C Ya There!

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

 
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by N4VNZ on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Bad spelers uv the wurld, UNTIE!
 
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by N4VNZ on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Huked on Fonicz wurked fer mi!
 
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by W1YW on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Blessing? What the heck does THAT mean?

There seems to be some in-between-the-lines message here, but I have no idea what it is....

Is it :

--going to QRP is OK?

-- you can still work the world in a restricted QTH?

--better to get rid of the junk and pocket the money?

What exactly is the point?

73,
Chip W1YW
 
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by W5TD on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"If you want to reduce dependence on imported oil, there are much more effective ways"

Yes, commit suicide. Not only will it reduce the amount of energy you use, there will be one less environmentalist wacko trying to force the rest of us to live in the caveman days.

73s John W5TD
 
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by W6TH on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
.
Not to change the subject, but....

There is no such as security...

Historic Timeline of the War of 1812

June 18, US Declaration of War against Great Britain

1814 - Washington, D.C. is burned and White House is destroyed by British forces during the War of 1812.

I hope there is no repeat of history, but if we did not have a government we most certainly would have better living conditions.

Why don't/can't we all get along?

.:
 
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by N3YZ on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the article, Paul. You make several excellent points. An economy-class station CAN work the world, and that such a station, in financial reach of many new HF-qualified hams, is sufficient to enjoy the hobby. My station, a Yaesu FT-857D, 20M and 40M cut dipoles, LDG Z-100 tuner, Dell laptop with Hamscope, Buxcomm Rascal, Vibroplex keyer, and Autek filter, nicely combine to work most bands and modes. It’s amazing what we can do on the power of a light bulb! 73! John, Annapolis, Maryland
 
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by CHUCKUFARLEY on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Amateur radio is much more energy efficient than hacking down a tree, making it into paper, writing on it, and driving it around on a truck. That's how the rest of the world communicated prior to email. Hams have been doing it right all along :-)
 
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by KB1OBG on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I agree completely with this article. I'm a recent ham as well and have a minimal shack too! My station is a Yaesu 857D, with a Palstar 1500CV tuner and a Radiowavz OCF Windom that covers 80-10.

It's not a DX dream station but I'm making a ton of contacts throughout Europe and South America running barefoot at 100 watts. I'm having a great time and with careful listening and timing, I have been breaking pileups with minimal effort :)

I am saving my pennies for a higher end unit like an Icom 756 Pro III, but this little Yaesu is doing just fine and holding it's own. You can do quite a bit with simple equipment. Unless you have a small disposable fortune at hand, there really is no need to have 3 or more radios.
 
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by KA4KOE on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Charles

You are still one h*** of a funny guy.

Whar's mah tubes, Vern?

FEELEEP
 
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by W2TXB on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I am somewhat surprised to see the number of Yaesu 817's out there. I still have fun with mine when I get a chance, and not because it uses less energy. The main reason I bought it was to get back into low power CW and do some portable operating. The bad news is that I have had too little time for any of it. Still have to get the 160-M dipole up.......

I drive a Jeep with a Hemi and it makes me feel guilty because it automatically cuts down from eight to four cylinders (when cruising at steady speeds of less than ~65 MPH). Maybe I should follow its example and cut everything else in half...... trade the FT-817ND for a FT-408.5ND, trade the FT-8900's (x3) for FT-4450's, and trade the VX-7R's for VX-3.5R's.

I feel better already. ;)
 
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by KC5CQD on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
""If you want to reduce dependence on imported oil, there are much more effective ways"

Yes, commit suicide. Not only will it reduce the amount of energy you use, there will be one less environmentalist wacko trying to force the rest of us to live in the caveman days.

73s John W5TD""



Here, here! A great idea that needed to be vocalized, John. A man after my own heart.

Hey, if the bleeding-heart tree huggers would pull a Jonestown for us, there would be more fuel for both of my lifted, oversized-tire havin', gas guzzling V8's!!!

And in twenty or thirty years, when they've sucked the last drop of fossil fuel out of the earth, I'll be ready to go that way myself. hihi!

 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W7ETA on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
World class DX on 30 meters, barefoot, simple antennas--tons of FUN.

No tower necessary; no amp needed.

My tower requires less work than any auto or motorcycle; I'm probably safer on my tower than when I ride by motorcycle. Plus, I can do more to ensure my safety on my tower than I can to protect myself against other drivers.

Properly installed towers are very safe. Climbers, who don't take proper safety precautions, aren't very safe.

The best case for any ham radio station is FUN. Inexpensive stations don't mean they are only for casual use.

Many people have excellent perspective as they build their station, over years.

I think it is possible to assert that BIG contest stations have the best perspective; just scan K1TTT's station.

I'd bet that K8JI has great perspective, same for WIK, ON4UN, W6CCP, W7DD, K6UA, K5VT, K0IR, ZS4PB, ZL1AMO, VK9NS, etc.

Personally, I look for free tubes at yard sales. Crack open the tube, tape seal it--less polluted atmosphere.

Just deposit it in the local land fill. We got tons land around here without water rights, for land fills, that won't pollute the water table.

AN easy way to reduce pollution from manufacturing is to NEVER buy a new rig.

I'm stripping the center conductor from old coax to make open wire feedlines. I cut up the plastic insulation into little teeny bits, and sprinkle them on my salid and into my breakfast cereal--saves on the manufactuer and transportation of products like Musenex, and the plastic doesn't wind up being transported to a land fill--big energy and gas savings!

Well. Time to drive to the PO to get two 2 cent stamps for my direct N8S QSL, and buy ten 2 cent stamps for my 10 remaining 39 cent stamps; should only chew up a half gallon of gas doing that.

73 :-))
Bob
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by K6YE on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Tom (N6AJR),

Man, you have a really cool and busy station. It reminds me of Nicholas Winters' (WB6DXU) setup in the early 60s. BTW, you look mighty happy. Right on!

I think whatever floats one's biscuit is one's business. This also includes homes, cars, RVs, boats, airplanes, etc.

The term "modest station" is in the eye of the beholder. I have three HF transceivers, two HF amplifiers, one tower and yagi, one 160/80/40 sloper, two VHF transceivers and various pieces of test gear. Half of everything was acquired when my my father, K5LDH, became an SK in 2006. Compared to some, my station is a big gun, overkill operation. But compared to Tom's (N6AJR) station, it is a very tiny pistol. Again, it is just a matter of perspective.

I enjoy visiting or viewing what others have and am happy for them. However, I am very satisified with my own station.

IMHO, enjoy what you have. Remember, you only have so much time on this side of the dirt! The choice is yours!

Semper Fi,

Tommy - K6YE
DX IS
 
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by N2EY on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
How's this for a "casual station"?

http://hometown.aol.com/n2ey/myhomepage/


73 de Jim, N2EY
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KG6R on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
All,

I have a theory of my own. Blow hards expel copious amounts of hot air causing global warming.

Sticking to the topic,causes less windbag emissions.

Stick to the topic, SAVE THE PLANET ;-)

Nice article on casual stations.

73 de KG6R formerly KG6QHP,

Jim
 
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by K4JF on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"How's this for a "casual station"?
http://hometown.aol.com/n2ey/myhomepage/
73 de Jim, N2EY"

Jim, that is absolutely beautiful!! Love it!

73 de Jim K4JF
 
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by KC5CQD on May 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"All,

I have a theory of my own. Blow hards expel copious amounts of hot air causing global warming.

Sticking to the topic,causes less windbag emissions.

Stick to the topic, SAVE THE PLANET ;-)

Nice article on casual stations.

73 de KG6R formerly KG6QHP,

Jim"



Really, Jim? Sort of like the gas expelled by CA liberals that I live with that bitch continually about smokers, hunters, land development and the war and yet never shut the hell up about gay rights, children's rights and all the virtues of being "green" while they all drive around in their 10 MPG Hummers and similar SUV's? Is this the kind of "gas" you're speaking of?

Yeah, Jim....you're right. I wish they would shut up, too! They're hipocrites of the first order and they make complete asses of themselves with the other 49 states.

Glad to see that we two hams agree on something, Jim!

73's

 
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by WB8NUT on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
If you want to reduce energy use, get rid of all the old crap tube rigs. Those things suck energy and really harm the environment.
 
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by KC8QFP on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< KG6QHP...
"I have a theory of my own. Blow hards expel copious amounts of hot air causing global warming.

Sticking to the topic,causes less windbag emissions.

Stick to the topic, SAVE THE PLANET ;-)

Nice article on casual stations.

73 de KG6R formerly KG6QHP,

Jim" >>>

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Heck, I like it when we go on tangents! Often they are far more interesting than the bla bla bla boring typical ham topics that are beating a horse over and over again! I learn a lot from our offshoot remarks! So blow blow blow the man down! HiHi! This is getting interesting, and casual sex, I mean stations is easily done with a few remarks... I like it or I don't like it, and I have this or that bla bla bla!

Oh Joy!
 
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by KC8QFP on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Al; this reminds me of some Three Dog Night songs, "GOOD TIME LIVING" and "OUT IN THE COUNTRY", so all this conservation rhetoric goes way back, those songs were from the late 60's! Dig it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXREd2FYF5Q

Pollution of our air, food, and water, and loss of jobs to Asia and the way down south... we have to blame ourselves for all this crap! We did it to ourselves people! We bought it!
 
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by W7COM on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Just got my General so my modest station is a FT-857D and ATAS-120 in the 87 Mazda B2000 (217k miles.) In the short time I've been on HF I've worked mobiles in CA and bases in VT. Last night I almost made a QSO with YO9PH! It's a blast working DX with a 4 foot antenna.
 
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by N6AJR on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the compliment, but I am not even a little pistol station. I saw a presentation on a true contest station, with a run station and a S&P station ( called a multiplier station) on each band, each with its own amp etc and half dozen towers, several 4 squares on each band.. and so on, it was Tim , K3LR 's station and wow. so thanks but I would need about 10 acres and a half mill or so in cash to even get close.

he is a dyed in the wool contester.
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by K8YZK on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I have never had a amp, never seen the need for one myself. I have several radios(TT Jupiter/TS-570S/IC-703+) and if I can not make a contact oh well there is always tomorrow. Oh the antenna is a G5RVjr up at 10'. I can usually work them if I hear them.

 
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by W4LGH on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KC8QFP said..."Pollution of our air, food, and water, and loss of jobs to Asia and the way down south... we have to blame ourselves for all this crap! We did it to ourselves people! We bought it!"

Yes we did! We can all think our GREEDY UNIONS for all the mess out there. They won't budge on price or
benefits, they would rather the plants close down and the jobs move off shore than to take a $5 hr pay cut. Those that control the unions also control lots of other things, like waste disposal, which for years has been improperly disposed of to save a buck. This has cause MAJOR greenhouse gases and polution problems, and will for years to come.

If you are a UNION member, I am sorry, I am NOT picking directly on you. I just call it as I see it. At one time, unions were necessary, but like everything else, they have out lived their usefulness, run the cost of goods out of site, and sent many many jobs off shore.

The other MAJOR problem is that in our govt's great wisdom, in planning our retirements! Instead of 5 working people supporting 1 retiree, its the other way around! And that just won't work!

People also just don't have the balls to say how the feel, or what they really mean, at the fear of being politically incorrect. Without honest communications the world is a lost cause. Our govt is a lost cause, with only one way to fix it, throw all of them out on their asses, and elect all new from the ground up. Set up TERM limits, with 2 terms MAX, this way those that are in SENIOR positions can't blackball the JUNIOR people trying to make a change as there would never be JR/SR positions. Yes it is DRASTIC, but our Govt is a run away Freight train heading down a DEAD-END track! And the end isn't that far away.

Now I am gonna go play radio on my casual station.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com


 
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by KI4CRA on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I have a modest setup. In the back room I have my Kenwood TS-480HX and my Yaesu FT-817, with my J-38 straight key and an MFJ-949E tuner. In the front room right next to my recliner I have my Yaesu FT-897D. These all except the 817 connect via coax switches to a GAP Titan DX verticle. The 817 is connected a home brew 20 meter inverted Vee. Hey works for me!

Hope to see you at Dayton, got in this afternoon. Coming from Fl. ITS COLD UP HERE! See ya all here.


73 de Mark
AI4HO
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KC5CQD on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"If you are a UNION member, I am sorry, I am NOT picking directly on you. I just call it as I see it. At one time, unions were necessary, but like everything else, they have out lived their usefulness, run the cost of goods out of site, and sent many many jobs off shore."



Hey brother. I'm a union member and I couldn't agree with you more! As a child back in the sixties and seventies I watched the U.A.W. strike every damned year with more and more demands. Even as a child I could see how they were ultimately screwing themselves out of a job. They were the epitomy of immedaite gratification. "To hell with the future, just give me more RIGHT NOW!" Well, they got "more, right now" and it ultimately cost them their entire industry. I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for the American auto makers. Their companies have now moved to Mexico and if you want to buy an American made car, you'll have to buy a Toyota. Most of their factories are now in the U.S.! Employing Americans!!!!

And if you're wondering why a union member would attack unions; I went to work for a city as their city electrician and they had voted themselves a "closed shop". I wasn't given the option. The sad thing is that I'm a state licensed electrican and I'm represented by a laborer's union. How often do you think an electrician would brag about belonging to a laborer's union? hihi!
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by W4MKH on May 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
My wife is the one driving my downsizing. Actually since I'm just building the shack I'm starting small and staying that way for a while.

My HF rig is an IC-718 and I've got a IC-2200H for 2m operation. I have a Yaesu VX-7RB that covers 6m, 2m, 1.25m and 70cm. That covers things that I'm not yet licensed for and gives me some exposure across the board.

I have a 5BTV and a Hy-Gain GPG-2B on order. All I have at the moment is a ParZ SWL antenna so I just listen (and study for my General).

Simple starter setup.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by N1WLF on May 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
RE: Casual Stations

I'm about to make the first plunge into the ham radio monetary sinkhole with an FT-817ND for HF home, portable, and misc use - a Kenwood TM-D700A for the xterra - and finally a VX-7RB for a handheld. All of which could be considered casual. Being as I live in a condo, I don't have much choice elsewise. I bet there are a great number of amateur radio enthusiasts in the same boat - all of whom could be considered 'casual stations.' As for the concept though, you bet - Simpler is always better in my opinion.

RE: Global Warming, EnviroFreaks, Energy Efficiency, Etc

Humans in general are much the same: complacent, arrogant, and greedy. Those qualities dictate what will transpire in the near future. Fuel prices will skyrocket, the sheeple will simply adapt and adjust, while the corporations get fatter - like our population.

Sadly, the only thing that breaks society out of its gluttonous routine is a national catastrophe such as 9/11... and only then for a few months until things get back to normal. Then the patriotism goes away, the little magnetic vehicle ribbons get thrown away, and everyone gets back to rushing around, being rude, and otherwise returning to their formerly self-centered lives.

It's a shame today's society is so wrapped up in being politically correct and not offending everyone's sensibilities that they have forgotten what is really important - that which you share with others. The same arrogant liberal freaks that would decry a radio DJ for making a chinese take-out joke or shake their little signs at a humvee owner are the same ones that would just sip their mocha latte, chat on their damn cell phones, and walk right by a man dying on the street corner.

Bottom line is... humans will not change until they are forced to. Until you force the sheeple to change their lives, the world's denizens will remain fat, complacent consumers without regard for others.

Sheesh, where'd the hell did that come from?!

[Puts soapbox away]

Just my two cents worth anyway.

Howls,
N1WLF
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by K3EY on May 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
What a thread: Bitching about PC, which I don't disagree with and the guys who are really little girls letting the women in their life tell them when to go the bathroom, what to wear and how much radio equipment they can own and what it should cost and when they must sell it. That kind of guy makes me what to puke. Mommy-- they married their mommies. Sissy azz freaks should be banned from amateur radio.

Oh and Alan…I nominate you, top dog freak. Union bashing is nothing more then ignorance. It’s ok for CEO’s to make billions while the little guy struggles and begs for overtime to feed his family while freaks like you bash Unions. You’re a piece of work Alan and that work wasn’t performed by union labor but brain washing GOP freaks who worship Rush type A_holes.


Curt/K3EY
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KF4HR on May 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
It look like everyone has a different idea of what a "casual" amateur station consists of. No surprise there.

As for:

"Hybreds are a FARSE, a MARKETING tool to sell cars!"

I can't speak to "Hybreds" but as far as "Hybrids" go, my Prius has consistantly managed 47 to 51 mpg over the last 3 years and 80,000+ miles, (slightly less mpg in the winter months due to colder temperatures negatively effecting battery efficiency). I managed 60.3mpg once under unique conditions (proper temperature, speed, terrain), over a 100 mile trip. This vehicle has saved me money at the pumps over the years (especially compared to SUV's), although there are other non-hybrid commuter vehicles that come close to the same mpg rating; for example diesel powered VW's. Perhaps more importantly, thanks to Virginia HOV laws, my Prius has consistantly saved me 10 to 15 hours a week not having to sit stopped in traffic. Occasionally when I do get stuck in traffic, the Prius's engine totally shuts down and it runs on its battery pack as I inch forward through traffic. Even the A/C is electric powered so for short periods the gas engine doesn't have to activate to power the A/C. What are most other vehicles doing during traffic backups? Idling away, poring pollutants into the air. Think about the millions of idling vehicles that do this everyday and you can start to see one advantage of the hybrid.

When you take into consideration; savings at the pump, great mileage, minimized pollution, the ability to come and go as one pleases, tax incentives, and (state permitting) commuter time savings, it's hard to beat hybrid technology.

And as we venture ever closer to $4 per gallon this year and traffic conditions continue to worsen, my Prius becomes more and more valueable to me. Around my area of the country a lot of people fill up every 2 or 3 days. I cringe when I watch large SUV owners pump $100+ at those fill-up intervals. I fill my Prius ~$20 which typically carries a lot further than the typical SUV.

As more and more hybrids hit the roads, battery replacement prices will come down and along with battery disposal (and/or rebuild) prices. That's just basic supply and demand.

Is the Hybrid the magic answer? Naw, not hardly. It's just a stop-gap measure that will lead us to the next generation technology, whatever that might be.

KF4HR
 
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by KC8QFP on May 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
One way to sell electric cars is to raise the cost of gasoline a lot! Cheap gas = little interest in EV's!

I still say, run the cars on tobacco, coffee, junk food (especially the greasy stuff), soda pop and candy, and of course BOOZE - double bonus - good clean-burning fuel and better health ala less consummed junk food! Brussel sprouts anyone! We could really have hay-burners without hoofs!
 
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by KC8WUC on May 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I am in the process of setting up a small hamshack in the basement with an Icom IC-7000, a High Sierra HF antenna and a Ventenna VT-27. No, I don't expect to make WAS or the DX Century Club, but this will suit my purposes and not take up a lot of room. Not as energy efficient as my portable set-up, an FT-817ND with rechargeable batteries from W4RT, an LDG Z-1000 autotuner, and a Shakespeare military whip on a tripod, but still fun.
 
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by W4LGH on May 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KC5CQD said...
"Hey brother. I'm a union member and I couldn't agree with you more! As a child back in the sixties and seventies I watched the U.A.W. strike every damned year with more and more demands."

Now here's a UNION member who really knows whats going on. The UAW has KILLED the American Car Market..
and when it crashes...it WILL effect all of us!
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K3EY said...
Oh and Alan…I nominate you, top dog freak. Union bashing is nothing more then ignorance. It’s ok for CEO’s to make billions while the little guy struggles and begs for overtime to feed his family while freaks like you bash Unions. You’re a piece of work Alan and that work wasn’t performed by union labor but brain washing GOP freaks who worship Rush type A_holes.

I wasn't UNION bashing, I was telling it like it is! Never said it was OK for the CEO to make BILLIONS either, BUT as CEO it IS HIS company, not a group of employees telling him what they will work for and what they will or won't do! There is a little difference there. When you work for someone, and they sign your check, you do it "Their way or hit the highway" and until it comes back to that, we as an industrialized nation aren't going anywhere.
But thats OK, Hillary is gonna FIX everything and finish giving it all away! Hmmmmm...I seem to remember someone else like that... A car in every driveway, a chicken in every pot and plenty of jobs for everyone...yes I remember Now "HITLER"
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KF4HR said...
I can't speak to "Hybreds" but as far as "Hybrids" go, my Prius has consistantly managed 47 to 51 mpg over the last 3 years and 80,000+ miles, (slightly less mpg in the winter months due to colder temperatures negatively effecting battery efficiency).

Its still a FARSE! Have you figured in the electricity you used to CHARGE it everynite? And I guess you haven't gotten around to a BATTERY replacement yet.. Thats gonna be a killer. That too will have to be figured into your mileage. And all that non-polution you are NOT putting out...it was spread out around the world in the making of those batteries, and again (yes twice) when you have to dispose of them. There are NO FREE RIDES...and in the end, you will see. The end just hasn't come yet. Oh yea, don't forget the EXTRA COST you paid of the vehicle, when you could have bought a 30mpg car for almost 1/2 the price, and don't forget the interest on the difference of the money. And probably higher cost of repairs. Figure it all into your 80,000 miles and see what it cost you. Its a farse!
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You know I am really not a bad guy, actually I am a very nice guy...but sometimes I think I am the only one who see the big picture. Everyone else is walking around with BLINDERs on. Oh there ARE others of US out there but I think they were labeled by a previous post a GOP RUSH A-HOLES??

73 I am off to DAYTON to make more polution, waste more energy, but have a damn good time!

de W4LGH - Alan



 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by K3EY on May 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Alan:


You know I am really not a bad guy, actually I am a very nice guy...but sometimes I think I am the only one who see the big picture.


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Here are just a ferw other individuals who thought the same.


Emperor Hirohito

King Nebuchadnezzar

King Herod

Judas Iscariot

Richard Nixon

Rupert Murdoch

Josef Stalin

Adolf Hitler

Dr. Kevorkian
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by K4JF on May 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"One way to sell electric cars is to raise the cost of gasoline a lot! Cheap gas = little interest in EV's!"

Where are you finding any cheap gas??????
 
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by N2EY on May 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"One way to sell electric cars is to raise the cost of gasoline a lot! Cheap gas = little interest in EV's!"

Hybrids aren't "electric cars". The stock hybrid drives sold in the USA are really just a form of automatic transmission that recovers energy that would otherwise be wasted. They use batteries to store the recovered energy, but you don't plug them in.

Some hybrid owners have modified their cars, and there were a few true electrics like the Saturn EV-1, but that's a different subject.

But you got the idea right. Cheap energy removes much of the incentive for efficiency of all types. And compared to what most of the world pays, $3/gallon is cheap.

"I still say, run the cars on tobacco, coffee, junk food (especially the greasy stuff), soda pop and candy, and of course BOOZE - double bonus - good clean-burning fuel and better health ala less consummed junk food! Brussel sprouts anyone! We could really have hay-burners without hoofs!"

This has already been done. Many types of diesel cars will run on vegetable oil. Google "biodiesel" to see what is being done. Running diesel cars on used cooking oil goes back a long time, too.

While you're at it, look up "TDP" - "Thermal Depolymerization Process".

None of them are a magic solution, but together they can do a lot.

--

I really don't understand the antipathy towards hybrids, though. They work as advertised, and they're not that expensive (compare a Toyota Prius to, say, a Honda Accord).

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by AB7E on May 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
This must be a record for the most derailed posting ever. The very first comment skews the original topic and the majority of those that follow .... uhh, follow it. Like sheep.
 
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by KC8QFP on May 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
EV's have come a long way since the "glorified" golf cart days of the 70's. If I could have it both ways, I'd take a VW diesel/electric hybrid. If VW offered their minivan with the diesel/electric, they'd sell like crazy! You'd get the best of both worlds so to speak.

They have improved the mileage of many SUV's, whereas they get better mileage than the klunkers of yesturyear (my old Dodge RAM van only got about 12MPG, many SUV's can do twice as good! Even with smaller cars, like K-cars or Citations, we did not get much better than 16MPG)! Not many people these days are driving gas hogs that get less than 10MPG, even the Suburban does much better now!

A long time ago, I toyed around with the idea of using a small B&S 8hp engine to run an alternator to charge the batteries on one of those golf cart Citicars. I also wanted to make an electric moped. Now they are becoming commonplace, but it took almost thirty years. My main gripe is the high cost to purchase one, then to replace batteries every few years.

People like their HOGS! Electrics are great for the city folks, but in the country one must have the hybrids. A VW diesel/electric car for under 15k$! I remember what they did with the bug in the early 60's, and I hope they do it again!
 
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by KC8QFP on May 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<< AB7E: "This must be a record for the most derailed posting ever. The very first comment skews the original topic and the majority of those that follow .... uhh, follow it. Like sheep". >>>

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As I said before, yeppirs we tend to deviate from the intended thread and go on and on tangents. But the original topic gets boring fast sometimes, and, as on the air, when we get going on something more interesting, more will chine right on in and add their two pennies here and there. Ham radio is all about conversationing, communications, and coorespondence, that's what we like to do... AKA BS! A case for casual stations is that the purpose for the ARS it to talk talk talk! So here we have some casual communications, and that is ON topoc as far as I am concerned! HIHI! Whether you spend mega-bucks for a super-station, or use old used cheapo "small stuff", it's all time and money spent to merely talk on a radidio! It's all about BS!

73! Don
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KC8QFP on May 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
PS: I suppose that we could tie EV's with small casual stations by talking about tapping tnto all that battery power to run your linear!
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by WD9IDV on May 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
To do my part in making this world less dependent on foreign energy, I stand on my roof and call CQ.....

Just kidding.....Ham radio is just a hobby. Everybody should do what they personally believe is right.

Peace.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KF4HR on May 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Reference Hybrids, Mr. Alan wrote:

"Its still a FARSE! Have you figured in the electricity you used to CHARGE it everynite?"

Alan. I'm totally impressed with your knowledge of "Hybred" vehicles!

There are a few experimenters out there modifying their gas/electric hybrids for overnight charging, but most every hybrid vehicle mass produced charge their batteries as they drive along; via regenerative braking and coasting downhill. There's no need to plug them in at night. And the batteries are lab tested to 150,000 miles, which by then... many of us have bought a new car.

Car cost? Figure the bells and whistles I got on my Prius and try and match that to a [dependable, top rated] non-hybrid car at half the cost. (And don't forget about tax incentives.) Good luck.

Like I said, hybrids aren't the final answer, just a step in the right direction.

Stick with operating your casual station my friend.

KF4HR
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by K4GLM on May 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Oh, Poo.
It is all about skill and antennas, bigger antennas. Size does matter!
"Towers are dangerous" Hogwash! CARS are dangerous. The most dangerous thing I do is drive a car.
I agree that operator skill is a noble thing....The important things are to keep learning.......... and keep helping others.
You're just getting old and tired, or old and lazy.
Wait a minute.....so am I!
Shannon Boal K4GLM
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by K1CJS on May 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Want to conserve oil? Get rid of the Hamvention! Think of all of the oil that could be saved in transporting all of us to Dayton, the tons of oil that could be saved in transporting the worthless junk.......

How true, how true. But getting away (in a sense) from ham radio for a minute.......

Although that is a start, it is probably nothing compared to what is wasted in running the SUVs most of us just have to have--to mount the portable station, the amps, etc., or just to keep up with the Joneses.

If you believe we all have to save oil, look to yourselves first before trying to counsel your neighbor. How much do YOU actually waste?
 
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by K1CJS on May 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
One of the responces said the writer needed an SUV to transport 4 kids and groceries. Nowadays, that is true. Strange, isn't it, that back about 25 or 30 years ago, the same thing was accomplished in a station wagon--a larger car with slightly worse gas mileage than a sedan, but a lot better than some SUVs.

The end word is this: The car companies introduced and promoted the SUV as a better way to accomplish what needed doing today and as a status symbol, the good old, perfectly adaquate--and more economical--station wagon has almost disappeared.

We were shown the SUV, we decided we wanted the SUV even though it was more costly to run (more gasoline needed to run it) now we're complaining about the cost of energy, pollution and greenhouse gases.

Lets we make up our minds what we really want, shall we? Do we want our status symbols or less costly energy? It seems too many of us don't really know, do we.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by ICR71A on May 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
What we are first and foremost is consumers. The system of capitalism is contingent upon the exchange of values--this for that. How often during a slowdown in the economy have you heard the phrase "consumer confidence is down..." The sale of mass produced goods has been the center of American economics since the end of WWII. As a matter of fact, consumption of mass produced goods was one of our major propaganda tools during the Cold War. Anyone remember the Nixon-Kruschev "Kitchen Debates?"

Whether ham electronics or SUVs, corporations present us with a range of products that are designed and marketed to sell, and that fill a great 'need'. The transition from the sedan and minivan has been effected by preying upon our fears--marketing that informs us that these vehicles are safer. Unless one has been living in a cave fear has been used extensively by both the government and industry the past few years to effectively lobby policy and product.

People will spend on what they feel they must have. From a sociological perspective we all engage in two things; pecuniary emulation and invidious comparison. Jargon translation--we want to impress others and are always comparing what we have with what others have. America unfortunately has become a country of shallow pocket credit based spendthrifts--Got to have it, and keep up with the Joneses.

Doesn't matter what the hobby is--ham, photography, woodworking, boats, fill in the blank, the competitive mine versus yours has always been there. As far as autos go, if it were not for this there would be little need for luxury cars.

So, consume happily on the new or used--build it as big, or as small as your heart desires.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by W2RDD on May 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Like it or not, in or out of that category, spot on!
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KC8QFP on May 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I would like to propose an EV that runs on RF. Solar power, wind power, water power, shoot, everyone is overlooking all that RF power going to waste in the ionasphere, causing global warming, radiating from all those 2 killerwatts+ linears! Just hook a CB antenner to your electric motor and tune to 11 meters - pleanty of power to spare!
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KL7IPV on May 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I have downsized too. I have an IC-706MkIIG in the radio room, an IC-706MkII in the truck, and IC-703HF for portable use and a Swan100MXA just for grins. But I have smaller antennas in the attic. Do they count?
73,
Frank
 
A Case for Casual Stations  
by K5MO on May 28, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I've lost interest in the big towers because they can be dangerous and a lot of work."

That's two of the ingredients for rewarding activities...risky and difficult.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KC8QFP on May 29, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
We could use some controversy here to stir things up a bit... boooooooring! Tangent time!

Howz about orange alerts and the airport security? Anyone have a radio confiscated lately?
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by K1OU on May 30, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Q:How many gay Republican senators from Florida does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: Gay Republican senators from Florida don't screw in light bulbs, they screw in the male pages dorm!!!







And there is your controversy.
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KC8QFP on May 31, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Oh my gosh, I feel a bad case of HOMOPHOBIA coming on!!! Jerry Fallwell, where are you when we need you? Maybe Ducktor Shrinker can help?
 
RE: A Case for Casual Stations  
by KC8QFP on May 31, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Psychic predictions> You've probably heard of Edgar Cayce and Jean Dixon, but now it's predictions by the AMAZING DONNIKER!

I predict that Hillary Clinton will be elected as president of the USA, and her VP will be Rosie ODonnel. The FCC will go super liberal and the ARS will be more like the internet, making CB look tame. The ARRL (Asian Radio Retail Litigators) will sell (advertise/review in QST) Radio Shack HF rigs that resemble Uniden CB's. MFJ will come out with a new ALL MODE HF TNC to replace their 1278 that will enable interfacing with the internet, and also digital modes (including digital voice). CW mode will go away, and interest will be in digital modes instead. The band plans will be changed to accomodate various forums and user groups for gays, minorities, tree huggers, religions (Wiccan-New Age, Buddists, athiests, and other pagans, but NOT Christian), and other liberal groups. There will be a different COLD WAR within our borders, and ham radio will be used for propagandising such causes. The FCC will change the rules, one being that one must learn to speak many Asian and Spanish languages (you thought learning code was hard). i.e. I predict that things will go down the toilet and it will get worse! I am not an optomistic mistic! HA!

Of course if you believe this crystal ball BS, that's what psychics are full of, and many pay big bucks for fortune tellers' lies! I made my predictions FREE for your entertainment!
 
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