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Death of a Radio Company
Michael S. Higgins (K6AER)
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Many years ago we watched with some ambivalence the slow decline of the Drake Company from the amateur ranks. Mr. WR Drake had died and his non ham son was at the helm wanting to take the company in a different direction. At the time the excitement was high with new radios coming out from Kenwood, Yaesu and ICOM. We are at a similar fork in the road with Kenwood. Looking at the excitement almost every manufacture experienced at Dayton, Kenwood was one of the loan exceptions.
I talked with their North American sales Manager, Phil and he said they have no high performance HF radio in the pipeline. The sales crew looked haggard and tired and when I visited their booth on Friday and Saturday at Dayton, no one was smiling. No give aways, no fluf and the booth was looking old. The booth was for the most part vacant and best served as a short cut to the MFJ booths further into the arena. They had an empty Plexiglas covered box on Thursday during set up and many hoped a new high HF radio was to appear on Friday. Come Friday morning…..just a VHF mobile.
At the Visalia DX Convention a month earlier, the Kenwood Factory representative left on Saturday at noon while the convention show lasted for 5 more hours. Just some brochures were left on the table. They had a TS-2000 but no one stopped to talk. I would have to say the morale at Kenwood must be very low. Their two-way radio division is doing very well but not having a licensed ham at the helm of the amateur radio division is taking its toll. I feel Kenwood has suffered greatly in the HF community since the TS-870 was pulled from production with out a replacement. The last high performance design was the TS-2000 which started designed in late 1999. The technology is over 7 years old and getting long in the tooth.
I have been a Kenwood man for 35 years. My first Kenwood radios were the 599 twins. I own a TS-2000 as a backup radio and it is a very fine $1500 radio but it is not cutting edge performer. I finally went to an IC-756 Pro III when I upgraded my HF radio and as a result also bought several ICOM VHF radios. The lack of a flagship radio does transcend your buying decision for other radio purchases.
I saw this downward spiral of esteem with the Drake line after the old man died and his non ham son took over. The rest was history. I hope Kenwood is not on the same path.
If 3 guys at Elecraft can bring out a high perform HF transceiver, the K3 in a year's time it makes you think there is no one left in engineering at Kenwood other than the two way radio division. The crowd at Elecraft booth were two or three deep for much of the show and with every new buyer of a K3 sprouting a proud K3 button his shirt. By the end of the show they must have taken hundreds of orders for I saw K3 buttons every time I looked at the crowd.
I hope this is not the case for Kenwood but as a wise man once said watch what a person does not what they say. Kenwood's actions are speaking very loud.
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by AH6RH on June 12, 2007
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Thanks Michael. I also walked through the Kenwood booth, and sensed the same observations and conclusions. Icom, Yaesu and Elecraft had gang-buster radios on tap. I too recall the glory days in the 70's and 80's when Kenwood was on top of the world with their rigs. I was left wondering what would be their future in amateur radio offerings. I look forward to Kenwood regaining its place in product offerings and sales.
Ron Hashiro, AH6RH
Honolulu, HI
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by K1CJS on June 12, 2007
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It seems that Kenwood is shifting their emphasis to the commercial market that Motorola, GE and to a lesser extent Maxon dominated. It may be that they just don't seem to see as great a demand for amateur equipment anymore because of cel phones and the internet, not to mention the combination of ham radio and the internet. The reshuffling of the US public service radio systems and the resulting demand for commercial grade equipment may also be playing a part in their decision.
Maybe, with the world community setting aside long time amateur testing requirements and a resulting influx of amateur operators into the HF bands, that will change. However, with the threats to the HF bands from other technologies (BPL, for one) maybe Kenwood is seeing what seems to be the future writing on the wall.
Face it, hams are traditionally a cheap bunch, and with the hobby wide wanting of more for less, Kenwood may believe it is time to shift their research and development to the commercial markets and let their ham radio line languish. Maybe they feel that Icom and Yaesu have the market quite well covered in high end ham equipment and there isn't enough need or want for them to invest time and money covering it.
It could also be that they're holding back until they develop a new radio with advanced technologies to top the other two companies--with the way technology is advancing, it is a possibility.
Unfortunately, the way it looks, it seems the big three may soon be the big two--with smaller US companies filling in the slack.
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by KG8JF on June 12, 2007
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Someone flat told me that Kenwood was getting out of the Amateur radio business. I have never used Kenwood stuff, but I hate to see a valued name leave the field. Ham radio has to be a pretty tight market. There are just so many hams and we are not buying new gear all the time. It is interesting that when my New(to me) Orion I gets on-line, I will have an all American station. Orion, Palsta, and Ameritron. That is interesting.......
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by W2RDD on June 12, 2007
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It is a shame to see a manufacturer of amateur equipment give up on the hobby. If Kenwood does, they will be putting more emphasis into their non-ham lines. I have a couple old Kenwood Hybrid rigs that I have no intention of giving up. I never criticized so-called "rice-box" rigs. A lot of folks did.
Anyway, I was more concerned when SGC gave up production of their SG-2020 transceiver. I would like to see production of that rig back on the assembly line. Maybe make it a cw/digital radio only, but still a twenty-watter.
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by N1CX on June 12, 2007
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"Face it, hams are traditionally a cheap bunch, and with the hobby wide wanting of more for less, Kenwood may believe it is time to shift their research and development to the commercial markets and let their ham radio line languish. Maybe they feel that Icom and Yaesu have the market quite well covered in high end ham equipment and there isn't enough need or want for them to invest time and money covering it."
SPOT ON with an emphasis on CHEAP. I've said this for many years. I've seen guys butcher something together with bobby pins and bailing wire to risk death instead of buying something that is right for the job to begin with.
I can't say I hardly blame Kenwood for walking away from this market, makes perfect sense to me based on what I've seen. It costs thousands of dollars to design products for hams and while 10 gazillion guys might say they like it or want it, the fact of the matter is when they are forced to put their money where their mouths are, you soon find that there are few that will spend money to buy something decent and most would go for the low buck option even if it meant spending more later on to re-do it.
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by W2RDD on June 12, 2007
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I should have mentioned we still have our "home-grown tomato", the Ten-Tec line of gear of which I have had many and still do.
Love my Argonaut Vs.
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by WA4SCA on June 12, 2007
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I have talked a few times to a Kenwood tech rep who comes to AMSAT and TAPR/DCC meetings. Interesting guy. He talked about waiting for Kenwood to allot some time from the design teams to the Ham radio division. Indirectly, that confirms that Kenwood has put its primary emphasis elsewhere.
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by K6YE on June 12, 2007
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MIke,
Nice article. I have owned three Kenwood rigs in the past: TS-430S, TS-440S, and a TW-4100. I thought they were fantastic compared to similar ICOM and YAESU radios.
I noticed the decline of Kenwood after the production of the great TS-950SDX. As a result, my main radios are an ICOM IC-775DSP, Yaesu FT-1000D, and an ICOM IC-756PRO as backup.
I do not believe all hams are cheap. I have seen DX, QRP, and plain old rag chewer types spend maximum bucks to get a 2db advantage and this applies to radios, antennas, tuners, amplifiers, etc.
I have noticed the chatter with respect to the new K3 and its touted hot receiver. That may be one of the reasons for the crowd at Dayton this year.
IMHO, it will be a sad day if Kenwood ceases amateur radio production. It certainly was when Henry Radio went this route.
Again, thanks for a great and well seasoned article.
Semper Fi,
Tommy - K6YE
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by N9DG on June 12, 2007
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The "changing of the guard" for who the main players in the ham radio market place is continuing to approach. It sort of reminds me of the early to mid 70's when the dedicated Hallicrafters, Drake, Swan, Heathkit, users all pooh-poohed those new import radios from Yaesu-Musen and Trio-Kenwood. By the mid 80's many of them were then buying those JA imports.
Could the same thing be happening today? Because now we have the rabid (cult like) fans of the JA big three all pooh-poohing those now small USA radio manufacturers, along with the radios out of the EU. Is history about to repeat?
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by K1CJS on June 12, 2007
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Another thought has just occurred--Skycommand.
Kenwood took a big chance with this system, the big chance that the US would change its part 97 regs to accomodate it. When that didn't happen, Kenwood got burned--burned for the development costs and for the costs of tooling up for production.
Could it be that the higher ups at Kenwood are just not willing to put anything more into ham radio development after the hit they took on Skycommand? Granted, that hit was their fault--they should have researched further before going the route--but now they've been burned, the more cautious they'll be, possibly to the point of not trying again.
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by N3OX on June 12, 2007
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Didn't the ruling that refarmed the bands in December also legalize Sky Command?
Didn't pay much attention to that because I don't have a radio that does it, but I think the FCC finally acquiesced to that request.
Dan
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by W3WN on June 12, 2007
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Yes it did -- too little too late?
But here's the thing. It takes time to design new or updated equipment and tool up to build them. Time, resources, and the willingness to spend both. Of course, this is tempered with the need for any business or business segment to make money doing so, ie, Return On Investment.
I wonder if Kenwood's Amateur division has simply taken a back seat the last few years... but with the recent rules changes, perchance they're taking another look?
And FWIW, SkyCommand isn't the first time Kenwood tried an innovation that didn't take. Remember the Digital Coded Squelch fiasco in the early 1980's? [I can still remember reading articles from people complaining about Kenwood using a "non standard" digital coding, and then looking at the codes and realizing that they were standard ASCII codes presented in Octal.] It was a great idea well ahead of it's time, but they couldn't pull it off. I don't think they took a big hit on it, it simply became a "bell & whistle" feature of the radios that wasn't used.
Oh, also FWIW, Kenwood was giving away some tchotchkeys on Friday and Saturday morning at Hamvention -- a pin, some maps and other whatnot. Maybe they ran out?
I'd hate to see Kenwood exit the market, and I say this as the current owner of a TS-140S & TH-225, and former ower of a TS-430 & 440S. But it happens, and if they make that mistake (IMHO), someone else will step up and fill the gap.
And isn't it an irony that the author compares Kenwood to R.L.Drake's exiting of the Amateur business? If memory serves, Kenwood got into the buisness in part by OEM'ing some of Drake's 2 meter gear back in the early 1970's!
73
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by KX0R on June 12, 2007
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The "Death" of Kenwood is sad, but the rise of Elecraft is a neat success story. Elecraft is proving that hard work and lots of good engineering can beat slick packaging and heavy marketing.
If the K3 is everything they say it is, Yaesu and Icom will lose a lot of business as well. Ten Tec will not benefit from Elecraft either. The K3 looks like a great radio in several categories, and unless it has problems, it may be a prove to be a very successful product. Elecraft is breaking out of the QRP corner into the mainstream, and what may be happening here is a reversal of the big trend toward Japanese radios that happened decades ago.
We actually have many fine USA manufacturers competing in a difficult global ham radio market. The ones that succeed do so because they provide a combination of performance and service that works for them and their customers.
The Elecraft story is exciting because the radio is designed to be upgraded over time, which means that owners can look forward to years of improvements. It's great to see this kind of innovation and change happening in our hobby!
If Kenwood declines, that's too bad. I love my TS-520SE, but the team that designed that rig is no longer running the show at Kenwood.
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by K4SFC on June 12, 2007
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Yep, someone needs to outlaw Ham Radio to us low income guys so you rich guys can have the bands all to yourselves! I'll bet not one of you changes your own flat tire either. I'll tell you one thing though, you rich guys are boring as heck. All you talk about is what you just bought. Buying stuff is all you seem to do. Question; how many rich guys ever invented something new?
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by AA5JG on June 12, 2007
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Someone sure got up on the wrong side of the bed this AM.
73s John AA5JG
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by W4LGH on June 12, 2007
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K6AER said..."Mr. WR Drake had died "
I guess this was a typo. As an avid Drake fan an collector, we know it was RL Drake. I too was in Dayton, and I saw the Kenwood booth full of live
and got several freebiees. Also Kenwood will have new radios out in the future, but are working on becoming
100% ROHS compliant. They are working on a ProIII to 7800 class radio and it will be in the $3K - $4K range. I am NOT a Kenwood users, but have had Kenwoods in the past and they are fine radios.
Rest assured Kenwood may be a little behind, but they will be playing catchup soon.
And RL DRAKE will live on as long as there are Fans out there like myself that keep the heritage going!
73 de W4LGH - ALan
See my Drake collection @ http://www.w4lgh.com
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by K1CJS on June 12, 2007
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By N3OX:
"Didn't the ruling that refarmed the bands in December also legalize Sky Command?
Didn't pay much attention to that because I don't have a radio that does it, but I think the FCC finally acquiesced to that request."
By W3WN:
"Yes it did -- too little too late?
But here's the thing. It takes time to design new or updated equipment and tool up to build them. Time, resources, and the willingness to spend both. Of course, this is tempered with the need for any business or business segment to make money doing so, ie, Return On Investment."
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That's just the point guys--Kenwood sunk a lot into Skycommand. They waited, and waited....... and waited--5 years I believe? Finally, the FCC said OK, we'll go along with it.
By that time, however, Kenwood had discontinued the idea and for the most part the line of equipment that would work with it because of no regulation changes in the US, (we still are the biggest market for those radios) no demand--and no return of their investment.
Kenwood is probably just not willing to do it again when there is another market for two way radio systems that is already a major part of their marketing plan. Maybe that is why we're not seeing anything new out of Kenwood for hams.
I don't profess to know the minds of the Kenwood execs and decision makers, but I believe my line of reasoning is a good guess to why the lack of an answer from Kenwood for the newer rigs from Icom and Yaesu. Maybe they will be back--maybe not. Who knows?
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by W4TME on June 12, 2007
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Yep. I strolled through the desert area where the Kenwood booth was. Dry and barren. I did get a free pin from a really depressed looking sales representative. What a shame. Another *really* hot radio at the show was the FLEX-5000. It is on track to have a receiver better than both the K3 and the Orion II with a narrow spaced third-order dynamic range in excess of 105 dB! And since it is a software defined radio, it will never be obsolete like the ones with fixed DSP engines and limited capability firmware.
One interesting point here is that the the top performing radios; the Orion II, K3 and FLEX-5000 are are all American made and showing the world that great engineering talent doesn't just exist in the Far East. I hate to see Kenwood go, I have a few of their radios, but if it makes more room for FlexRadio, Elecraft and Ten-Tec, I will not be shedding any tears at the conclusion of their exit from ham radio. So long Kenwood. It was a nice ride while it lasted.
-Tim
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by N5YAT on June 12, 2007
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At Ham-Com in Plano, TX this past weekend, the Kenwood "booth" was a table with a few brochures, one or two radios, and a single representative.
Look at the layout: http://www.hamcom.org/cgi-bin/ccp51/cp-app.cgi?&pg=exhibitors
It shows Kenwood as having a double space - but they had virtually nothing in it! The impression one got was that there stuff never showed up, so they were just killing time...
Icom had 2 times the space as Kenwood, most others had at least the same size - but packed with equipement, and more importantly, visitors.
I don't know if they are out of the game, based on advertising in QST, but they certainly were making no attempt to generate business it Ham-Com, and no one was paying them any attention there...
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by W1YW on June 12, 2007
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Segue to Monty Mython's Holy Grail:
"BRING OUT YOUR DEAD"
"I'm not DEAD yet"......
As far as I can tell, Kenwood is alive and kickin'. Can we stop these foolish rumors?
73,
Chip W1YW
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I don't think hams are cheap when it comes to buying radios. Look at the orders flooding in for Elecraft's new K3. When they're offered an exciting product, hams do pony up the money to get it. If Kenwood is in fact thinking of dropping out of the amateur market, I think it probably would have more to do with them thinking their development money can be most profitably invested elsewhere. Since Elecraft services only the amateur market, it makes sense for them to spend the money to develop something like the K3, while to a company like Kenwood, maybe they think their development money is best spent elsewhere.
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by KI6EAA on June 12, 2007
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"Question; how many rich guys ever invented something new?"
Thomas Edison, Gordon Moore, Steve Jobs, and a few hundred other names from the past and present come to mind...
Money doesn't matter for many of these guys. Creating something new does. That is what drives innovation in electronics and software, and creates components for great companies such as Elecraft.
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by K7CU on June 12, 2007
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I've heard the rumors about Kenwood. It would be a great loss if they left the ham radio marketplace. I currently use the TS-850SAT for HF and the TS790A for VHF/UHF. I have 2 other Kenwood VHF radios. I've had the TS440 and go back the the 599 twins. I'd put the TS850 receiver up against just about anything on the market today. If I were Kenwood I would forget about the $4K+ market and bring back the TS450/690, TS850 and TS950SDX family. Bells and whistles and scopes and graphs and 45 knobs all look neat, but are unnecessary. Someone needs to provide a radio for the new no-code ops who will need good but reasonably-priced HF gear. I hope Kenwood "sees the light" and stays with us for a long long time.
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by N5GLR on June 12, 2007
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Ref: HamCom Plano, TX (Friday, 6/8/07) ... I can tell you that Elecraft definately knows how to sell radios while Icom, Yaesu, Ten-Tec, etc. just don't get it. Elecraft was the only mfg. there that had a receiving antenna (or demo program) attached to their radio(s). I actually got to twiddle the knobs and adjust the receiver and the sales rep. gave an excellent demo. One could actually see and hear the outstanding performance of the receiver. Wow, what a rig! I can certainly understand why Elecraft is selling the K3 like hotcakes.
I was very interested in hearing how the TenTec and Yaesu stacked up against the K3 but, alas ... no soap. Were the other guys afraid to compare their product? It would appear so.
BTW ... the Kenwood booth was pitiful.
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Noticed the same thing at HamCom last weekend as the others have mentioned. The Kenwood table was so lame I first thought "no way, they must be set-up somewhere else". Looked like an afterthought. Agree that Elecraft was the best (an friendly folks) but I liked Ten-Tec's booth too. Fell in love with the Argonaut. Oh, dear....
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by W3WN on June 12, 2007
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I had temporary custody of an Argonaut V for a few months while it's owner was in the hospital. Really hurt to give that little rig back! (And it really looked well sitting next to the Corsair II, but that too is another story)
I still think that if Ten-Tec could find a cost-effective way to give it a 100 W brick for the finals, it would be a great little mobile/portable rig. But I've discussed that at length in the past with W4PA and others at Ten-Tec, and I understand why they don't feel they can do that, even if I wish otherwise.
In any case... if there's any dis-satisfied Argonaut V owners out there, I'll gladly trade you my TS-140S for one, even-up!
73
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by WA1RNE on June 12, 2007
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As a company, Kenwood isn't dying by any means, but they do seem to be shifting focus, possibly away from amateur radio.
The best way to gain insight into a companies strategic focus is to review their fiscal/annual earnings report and investor information pages:
http://www.kenwood.co.jp/en/pdf/061110_02.pdf
Over the past 2 years they have also consolidated their consumer electronics businesses, like home audio and have bailed from the non-profitable high end home theater business.
Not surprising, Amateur radio is not considered one of Kenwood's core businesses which are Consumer and OEM electronics.
** Pay particular attention to slide 23: there appears to be a shift in focus towards the digital commercial wireless communications market - including a new alliance with U.S. Trident Microsystems and ICOM.
http://www.tridentms.com/article12.htm
Then there's the acquisition of Zetron, Inc., a North Carolina manufacturer of Land Mobile Radio Systems.
>Note: the first page is blank....scroll to page 2....there are also slides at the end: http://www.kenwood.co.jp/en/pdf/20070510.pdf
I'm not a market analyst but it would seem that Kenwood is not devoting new capital towards the Amateur market and is instead shifting resources to go after market share in the digital commercial communications space.
Like Drake, they are "rolling with the changes" - exactly what amateur radio needs to do.
...WA1RNE
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by WE9M on June 12, 2007
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I am not sure about this but it seems to me that sales of the Kenwood TS-2000 line is doing well. Seems as though as soon as dealers receive shipment of these rigs they sell out in no time at all. The sure don’t seem to set on the shelf long at all.
From a marketing standpoint, it seems Kenwood knows what they are doing. Kinda makes sense to sell 500,000 rig for $1.5K-$1.6K than to try to sell 500,000 for $4K-$5K. Beside The TS-2000 is a Hamshack in a box. It is a decent Ragchew rig on HF, works respectable for DX, and is a good rig for those that do casual contesting. The rig also is setup to work satellites. The frequency range of 160m-70cm is a good deal for the money. If you get the TS-2000X you have it all. There is a lot of BANG for the buck. I figure as long as they keep selling like they do these rigs will be Kenwood’s mainstay.
I for one would like to see Kenwood come out with a nice dual receive rig like Icom and Yaesu and others but TS-2000 seems to fit the needs of the AVERAGE ham. I would venture to guess there are a lot more AVERAGE Hams out there than Hardcore Dxers and Hardcore Contesters.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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by AH6RH on June 12, 2007
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I had a conversation with an Icom marketing rep a few years ago at Dayton. She wondered why the hams were hanging onto old equipment. I informed her that they liked equipment that performed well, and not the kind of equipment (in this case, VHF/UHF) that picked up intermod, were not selective or sensitive. Old equipment was solid, and the new stuff was cheap (or cheaper, relatively), but didn't perform.
If you look at the gang buster radios at Dayton, they shared a common trait. High performance and well behaved receivers, good operating features and layout. Roofing filters, and the like.
Side features such as DCS and Skycommand are comparatively bells and whistles. I do like the TM-D700 APRS/TNC features. But, if the receiver and transmitter engine is not solid, robust and clean, the average ham is not going to pay much attention to the rest of the radio.
Granted. There are some hams that economize, and some that go all out with the wallet. There's no one-size fits all. You target different products for the differing needs of each market segment. Icom, Yaesu and Elecraft are doing just that.
The final tally occurs at the cash register. And, that is what funds the next generation of product. I'd like to see Kenwood continue as a viable player in the amateur radio market.
Ron H
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by AA5JG on June 12, 2007
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Lets see, Kenwood just came out with a couple of new mobile 2m/70cm rigs, and announced a new HT at Dayton. Doesn't sound like they have given up on the ham market quite yet. Their 480 is still fairly new, and is supposed to be an excellent mobile rig-beating the 706MKIIG, 857, and 7000.
The Kenwood TS2000 is the ONLY HF and satellite rig on the market today. Yaesu discontinued the FT847, and has shown no plans to replace it, and the Icom 910H only does 2m/70cm/23cm. It doesn't even do 6m which was a major shortcoming and really hurts it use as a roving contest rig. It also can't be used for Mode A on Oscar 7, or any of the other HF to VHF/UHF modes that might show up on Phase 3.
I think the notice of Kenwood's death is a bit premature.
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by AA5JG on June 12, 2007
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"I had temporary custody of an Argonaut V for a few months while it's owner was in the hospital. I still think that if Ten-Tec could find a cost-effective way to give it a 100 W brick for the finals, it would be a great little mobile/portable rig"
Forgot 100 watts. Ten Tec should have put 6 meters on it, then it would be an awesome rig.
73s John AA5JG
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by WB4TJH on June 12, 2007
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Maby this is our cue to get on the TenTec and Elecraft bandwagons and really support these great AMERICAN companies! We might even see the reemergence of a new and stronger ham radio manufacturing industry with more high tech radios that say MADE IN U.S.A. on them. Wouldn't that be a turn around! I too have been a Kenwood fan for most of the 38 years I have been licensed, but things can change. During that time I have owned a bunch of TenTec radios. Maybe we all need to turn our complete allegiance to U.S. made ham gear again.
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by SSB on June 12, 2007
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A radio company that has a product line that Kenwood now has should die. It has 3 HF radios that just plain suck. I won't buy one of their radios at any price.
Alex.....
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by N0AH on June 12, 2007
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This is just another company that MFJ is demonizing and putting zombies into their ranks. Soon, Martin the Weasel will place his evil empire ring over it that will not even discourage the ranks of HRO from selling his siezed Kenwood parted out bounty. Soon, MFJ will offer a TS-4000 which will work 72 bands, have no static crashes, and will be able to tune a tuna fish can at 50 yards without no coax. Of course, you won't hear anything on the other end, but you will have THEEEEEE new TS-4000. With 6 meters and CB w/WX as of you asked for............rig will come with a clear plastic covered Beldon coax as a special way of say thanks......Check the Winter 2008 Bathroom Book....
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by N4CQR on June 12, 2007
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http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=&fArticleId=3875608
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aYrfvNzEv9N0&refer=asia
http://www.rttnews.com/sp/sectorind.asp?date=06/11/2007&item=5&vid=0
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by K3AN on June 12, 2007
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Nothing is forever. Change is the only constant.
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by WR8Y on June 12, 2007
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I am a 26 year veteran of "Commerical" or "two-way" radio. While hams are sometimes cheap, you have no idea how C H E A P the buyers of commercial equipment can be!
I used to think of hams as cheap, but in the past 5 years I have to say, you can sell a $1500 radio to a ham a hellofalot easier than to a fire department!
73,
mAKR
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by N6KYS on June 12, 2007
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Kenwood never seemed to keep up with Yaesu and especially Icom when the "chunky" "mil Spec" type rigs came into vogue. Their rigs seem fragile and cheap....a far cry from their glory days of the TS-520/820 line. Hams may be "cheap" as some have described earlier, but I'd suggest that as a group....the hams' eye for quality overrides their stinginess.
Too bad about Kenwood....hate to see this happen to any manufacturer.
Brad
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by AA5JG on June 12, 2007
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I like how Ten Tec is supposed to be THE CW company, and their new $2600 rig has a internal keyer, but not one with memories, whatever! At least they finally did include 6 meters.
73s John AA5JG
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by AA5JG on June 12, 2007
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Glad to see so many others also had Kenwood twins. Had a set myself form 1986 to 1997. Probably one of the best setups I have ever had. Incredible receiver on that one. And I agree with one of the previous posters-unless you need dual receive, the TS850SAT is probably one of the best contesting radios ever made.
73s John AA5JG
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by K1CJS on June 12, 2007
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"As far as I can tell, Kenwood is alive and kickin'. Can we stop these foolish rumors?"
Here we go again...... Well, there is a little 'falseness' here, in the title of this article. But the answers and suppositions in the article are not 'foolish rumors', but rather a continuation of a line of reasoning evidenced by the displays of Kenwood ham equipment and the actions of Kenwood reps at these events and elsewhere as well as offerings from Kenwood at commercial radio shops.
Kenwood seems to be languishing as a ham radio manufacturer. At local commercial radio shops, one of the things the dealers are seeing is a push from Kenwood with introductions of new commercial equipment and products--expanding into the market now dominated by Motorola and GE. A Motorola mobile unit with accessories may go for $1200 or more, a Kenwood offering of a comparible unit and accessories goes for $700 to $800.
The Kenwood unit can be set up to be used with either Motorola, GE or Kenwood systems. It is a good solid rig, easily the equal of any Motorola or GE unit. If Kenwood offers radios such as these at lower prices, it seems that they are trying to work their way deeper into the commercial radio market.
Just plain facts, not rumors.
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by W6GF on June 12, 2007
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You know what we lasted through the death of Hallicrafters, Hammerlund, Gonset, ELMAC, National and many others...including the beloved Collins. Business is business. When I ran companies many times I exited a market because we could put our dollars elswhere with a bigger return. But I love the current state of the ham radio market. A bunch of Yankee (oops sorry TenTec) er American companies TenTec, Elecraft, and Flex Radio are kicking the rest of the world in the you know where. The ORION 11 is just tops. I own the new fancy YAESU and ICOM, which are great radios, but I love my ORION 11. After writing this little note, I am going to check into a net. Maybe I'll use the fancy YAESU..if I can remember where the power switch is.
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by KA7RRA on June 12, 2007
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Its all afordable you should be able to find some gear in your budget.
Maybe if you were to stop spending money on cigerates and boose,and women you would be able to buy some gear
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by WB2WIK on June 12, 2007
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Not sure who "WR" Drake was, but I met Robert L. Drake and his son Peter a couple of times while visiting the Hamvention back in the seventies, and took a side trip to the Miamisburg plant for a tour. Still have my TR-7 after 28 years and in some ways it outperforms everything else I've ever used.
Still have my Kenwood TS-850S/AT, too. Maybe it will become a collector's item if Kenwood gets out of the ham business!
Icom and Yaesu were both founded by hams, and hams are still at the helm. Good observation that probably makes a difference!
I guess we'll see what happens. The Kenwood 850-950-870 series are a hard act to follow, so they didn't bother trying!
WB2WIK/6
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by WW3QB on June 12, 2007
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I briefly had a set of Kenwood Twins in 1977. I said briefly because sadly the receiver had a defect (no 10m receive) and I sent them back. I then got a Drake C-Line, which I still have and still works today.
I remember when Kenwood led the Japanese invasion. They got the back cover of QST (replacing Eimac tubes) and then big full-color multi-page sections of QST (I have some old QST’s). Kenwood’s technology seemed so advanced and did help push the USA companies out.
But I think it would be just as well if Japan had a “big two” (Icom, Yeasu) and USA had a “not quite as big three” (Ten Tec, Elecraft, Flex Radio).
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by WR8D on June 12, 2007
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I too was hardcore kenwood. When they came out with the 950 it did'nt come up to some of their advertising. I remember being at dayton that next year and listening in on some of the conversations between their "in the know people" and some of our amateurs that held degrees in electronics. When confronted by the hams they honestly had no answers. Then the 950sdx came out and i thought things were going to change. It had cured all the short comings in the line. I did'nt just jump out and buy one then i waited only a year or two and to my amazement they dropped production. There were warehouses full of 950sdx's and i could'nt get a straight answer from anyone on the fact that had they dropped production or were they still making them. I didn't want to put several thousand dollars into a rig that had already been discontinued before i bought it...which is exactly what they did and they didn't want us to know about it either, they were trying to keep it quite so they could move the inventory out. I had 530's still have the 830 station...bought the 940sat which during that sunspot cycle was one of the number one performers....then nothing from them in my book. I got used to having that "big" rig in the shack and just didn't want the 870. Sure that was a fine one too but the big ole 940sat had ruined me.
I wrote kenwood in Japan a very nice letter just telling them i felt they had abandoned me. Which is evident to all now. I made copies and sent one to east coast service and the west coast service and never looked back at the line again. I traded the 940 station in on a new crankup tower 9 years ago so when i look up in the sky at that big ole quad up there at 65 feet i sometimes have a fond thought of all those kenwoods and especially that 940sat that went in on the trade.
Now it's icom for me. I can't find anything better than the 775dsp as far as the receiver goes. After 9 years and just getting the want for a new rig i bought myself a new proIII a few weeks back. Guess what?? The receive in the 775dsp is still right there with the newer technology in the proIII. Really happy that for once in my life i changed "brands" and got it all right. I've had hams with the 12k rigs also tell me the 775dsp is right there receive wise with the flag ships of today. To make a long story short i guess i need to say looking at Icom they have only continued to make their line of hf rigs better and better, and in some cases like the receiver in the 775dsp one can't improve on perfection...at this time. Sooner or later another "Roswell" will happen and a flood of new technology will come about...maybe then they can improve on receiver performance. "hi hi hi".
Sorry kenwood...just telling it like it is and now it looks like it's all finally catching up with you.
Oh you do make a good car stereo though.
73 John WR8D
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by W0DKM on June 12, 2007
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I would like to see a Kenwood Rig in every New Plymouth, and Olds being made!
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by WR8D on June 12, 2007
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Hey Curt...someone already has done that for them...it's called "uniden". hi hi.
Just had to do that.
John WR8D
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by W0DKM on June 12, 2007
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The thing I like about Kenwood is, They Test Radios before they sell em!
Kenwood-101
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by W8ZNX on June 12, 2007
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such bull
quiting the ham marked
is a smart move for Kenwood
Kenwood is not like
Icom, Yaesu, Elecraft, Ten Tec
where all or much
of their product and sales
was ham relaited
Kenwood has always been in the
home consumer market
for kenwood ham radio has
always only been a side line
Mac
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by WA8MEA on June 12, 2007
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Doesn't anybody see the correlation between gasoline prices and the buying/selling of ham toys?
For three years now I've watched as revenues for our company take a giant dump when gasoline prices head past the $3/gal. mark. I think maybe we sold a half dozen antennas in May.
And I watch the purchase of ham toys increase as the prices slowly work their way back down. Back in the winter when gas actually went below $2/ gal., our sales skyrocketed to record levels!
"Toy" markets; whether its ham radio, model airplanes, telescopes, computers, weather instruments, all are vulnerable to the gasoline "mini-recessions" that are created each summer. Families realize that cut-backs have to be made somewhere. And "toys" are the first to go!
Kenwood sees this and figures that COMMERCIAL gear is ALWAYS in demand regardless. Thus, they put less emphasis in the ham radio "toys."
I think Kenwood is dam smart economically.
BTW, if we are all suppose to believe this "Big Oil bull" they like to feed us about the price of gas being market driven, shouldn't there me a DRASTIC decline in prices next week as commuters to community colleges, high schools and grade schools all come to a grinding halt now that schools out for summer????
73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
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by KASSY on June 12, 2007
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I'd like to correct a few things.
The TS-870 was NOT the last high performance HF rig from Kenwood. The current TS-480 is. The 480, at around $1000 to $1200, is a bargain...look at the receiver IMD figures and phase noise, and compare it to the double-priced IC-756ProIII from Icom. The '480 is the old '950 front end repackaged in a smaller radio.
Too many people see the '480 as "an Icom IC-706 with bands missing". But that is a poor way to look at it. The '480 is a genuinely high performance HF-ONLY radio, not a sloppy low-performance radio with too many bands in it. You want an all-band crappy radio? That's the TS-2000.
Also worth correcting, is that Kenwood is not doing their two-way dealers any favors. They are completely missing the market in some crucial two-way areas, their dealers are screaming for new models.
I think Kenwood is contemplating whether or not to stay in radio at all. Consumer hi-fi has got to be more lucrative.
- k
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by KE7IPY on June 12, 2007
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|"Question; how many rich guys ever invented something new?"
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|Thomas Edison, Gordon Moore, Steve Jobs, and a few hundred other names from the past and present come to mind...
Steve Jobs hasn't invented anything except his own legend. The fact is, there are plenty of rich folks who've invented things that you've never heard of, but please don't lump Jobs into the category of inventor.
Now, Woz, that's a different story...
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by W3LK on June 12, 2007
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Chip:
Stop! Sit Down! Take a DEEP breath!!!
<< As far as I can tell, Kenwood is alive and kickin'. Can we stop these foolish rumors? >>
I agree with you completely!!!!
73,
Lon - W3LK
Baltimore, Maryland - soon to be Naugatuck, Connecticut
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by W3JJH on June 12, 2007
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Let me propose another scenario based on my experience working with Japanese consumer electronics companies during the '70s, '80s, and '90s.
The first thing that you need to understand is that amateur radio gear is not commercial/industrial radio equipment--it is a type of consumer electronics manufactured for hobbyists.
The next thing you need to understand is how important hobbies are in Japan. Japan is a *very* homogeneous society. Hobbies are one of the few socially acceptable ways of expressing one's individuality. Within a hobby, there are various schools, each with its own following. Certain ways of doing things will become fashionable when adopted by a leader of the school. For example, when I worked a JBL, I found that several important Japanese reviewers had decreed that JBL loudspeakers must have a particular tonal balance. We had to have special products for Japan. The products we had worked to develop for the US and European markets would not sell.
Now, consider the sudden change in the packaging of Kenwood products that began to appear with the TS-2000 and the TM-D700A. These things just don't look like ham radio gear. They are highly styled consumer products, the products of some industrial design guru's imagination, with a radical departure from the look and feel of radios such as the TS-570 or the TS-60. The TS-480 is a nice radio, but it looks weird. And weird hasn't sold well in the US marketplace. If I were a Kenwood marketing guy in the US, I'd be lobbying for better looking products.
I suspect that the industrial designer responsible for some of the recent Kenwood radios has been replaced. Take a look at the new TM-V71A. It looks like a normal radio.
Another factor to consider is that Kenwood is a publicly-traded company that took a major hit when the Japanese bubble economy burst. It went through a major restructuring between 2002 and 2005.
Kenwood's net sales last year were around 1.5 billion dollars. About a third of that was communications equipment. The company says in its profile that it publishes for investors that its communications equipment business is focused "primarily on commercial wireless radios systems as well as amateur radios ..."
The return to mainline packaging is a good sign for Kenwood. If they we're about to bail out of amateur radio, they wouldn't waste money retooling.
Kenwood shares with Mark Twain the distinction of having rumors of their death being premature.
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by W4VR on June 12, 2007
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Kenwood is alive and well. All you have to do is go to their website to find out what they're into these days. http://www.kenwoodusa.com/
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by W3JJH on June 12, 2007
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To put things in further perspective--
Kenwood's total sales for 2006 were around 1.5 billion dollars with around 480 million of that from communications equipment.
Vertex Standard (Yaesu's parent) had total sales during the same period of around 170 million dollars.
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by KC8QFP on June 12, 2007
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All this talk about the death of Kenwood! You guys seem to forget that it most likely will be a MERGE or takeover, whereas Kenwood will be a sibsidery of some other giant, perhaps JVC, PanaSony or Hitachi! Many of the PC's companies disappeared (Tandy, Kaypro), but also some merged as something else (such as HP + Compaq). I am amazed that Apple has survived, but for some unexplainable reason, people buy the damn things! If people bought Kenwood, they'd be OK. It's simple, supply and demand. Many hams bought the ric-a-roni rigs, and put many domestic brands under. Some went to Asia (like Motorola, as in "when in Rome..."). Radio Shack used to sell some Kenwood products in their heyday as their high end stuff. So what will save the day for Kenwood? SALES!!! Actually I am glad to see some USA companies selling isntead! (But quite frankly, I wish it were Yaesu rather then Kenwood). The same goes for cars, IF WE'D BUY GM/CHEVY INSTEAD OF TOYOTA AND HONDA - I'd be GLAD! I am happy to see this is Kenwood instead of TenTec!!! Is Yaesu next? It depends on what YOU ham consumers buy into??? We can only blame ourselves, we decide by what we purchase! Buy American!!!
73! Don
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by KC8QFP on June 12, 2007
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All this talk about MFYaeKenAliCom vs TenCraft (Asian vs American) on here is interesting. As I just said, customer support cuts both ways, We want good service, and as customers, we can support our fave brands. We all tend to be name droppers, and word of mouth SELLS! So it's all about sales, i.e. what we hams decide to buy!
One compnay I don't hear much about is Alinco. They are cheapo, more bang-for-the-buck rigs, that were even sold by Radio Shack a while back (our sort of Hyundai class rig)! I never tried out the DX70T, so I cannot comment on performance. I've had a few HT's and the DR600 many years ago, they seemed pretty nice. Is Alinco still making rigs? Or is it a metter of merely selling off warehouses of old inventory? Is Alinco a subsidery of some other company? There seems to be some mystery about Alinco, and it would be an interesting company to also talk about beside the demise of Kenwood, pertaining to ham radio.
I also would like to know if some rigs are made in Euraisa (i.e. eastern Europe)? Has anyone dabbled in Russian made rigs (surplus)? One reason Kenwood sales has dropped, is that we hams are kind of deviant, looking for something differant. I wish Grundig made a ham transceiver to try out. It's interesting to get away from the Nippan type rigs. What else is out there?
73! Don
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by WB2WIK on June 12, 2007
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Lots of other stuff "out there."
Besides Ten Tec, Elecraft and Flex Radio make HF transceivers in America, and good ones.
Here's a German company with a new high-end HF/VHF transceiver:
http://www.hilberling.de/
WB2WIK/6
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by KI6EAA on June 12, 2007
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"The same goes for cars, IF WE'D BUY GM/CHEVY INSTEAD OF TOYOTA AND HONDA - I'd be GLAD! I am happy to see this is Kenwood instead of TenTec!!! Is Yaesu next? It depends on what YOU ham consumers buy into??? We can only blame ourselves, we decide by what we purchase! Buy American!!!"
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What is 'Made in America'?
Many big Fords are classified as 'foreign cars' because of the foriegn parts content majority (to wiggle around CAFE standards). Most mainsteam Hondas and Toyotas sold here are build in the US or Canada. We export Hondas to Japan.
Our future depends on the flexibilty and intelligence of American workers, and the good sense of American consumers to buy the best value for their hard earned money. New enterprises and realistic workers are filling in the void left by dying unions and inept industries. Few other countries in the world could do it.
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by KI6EAA on June 12, 2007
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|"Question; how many rich guys ever invented something new?"
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"Steve Jobs hasn't invented anything except his own legend. The fact is, there are plenty of rich folks who've invented things that you've never heard of, but please don't lump Jobs into the category of inventor.
Now, Woz, that's a different story..."
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Like him or not, Macintosh would not have happen without Jobs driving the key design decisions. I would lump him in with inventors.
I was working at Apple in Cupertino then.
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by W4ABW on June 12, 2007
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Maybe the demise of a foreign amateur radio company is not such a bad thing.
We are hearing great things over here about Flex, Tentec and Elecraft.
Maybe its the start of a turn-a-round for US based companies to get back on top again.
Al
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by W1YW on June 12, 2007
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There ain't even a corpse in sight--and you guys are nailing up the coffin!
Get real!
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It's not really the demise of Kenwood, with over 1 billion in sales. It may be just what their focus is. Drake is still alive and well. They are just not in the ham radio business anymore.
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Death of a Radio Company - MFJ!!!!!!!
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Are we talking about MFJ??? Oh boy!!!!
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by WB2WIK on June 12, 2007
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Really hard to compete here with labor laws as we have.
I've visited this company, who is the largest electronics contract manufacturer in the world and leads all companies (regardless of product or market) in export sales from China at $38 Billion annually, c.2006:
http://www.foxconn.com/
They do so by having people work 60 hours weekly (pretty much as a minimum), sometimes 80 hours weekly, sometimes no days off per week. The main plant employs 90,000 people.
Ya just don't see that here in the good old U.S. of A.
These people could probably build the Flex Radio SDR1000 for $175 and make a profit on it.
Shivers.
WB2WIK/6
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I just can't get excited about the flex radio. Wonder if anyone else feels the same way. I just don't like running my radio with the computer. I had a B2000 once and tried that, and hated it after a month or so. I like knobs to turn and buttons to push.
I am currently running a Kenwood TS690SAT, and love it. Kenwood knew what they were doing when they built the 450/690/850/950 line.
73s John AA5JG
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by W7ETA on June 12, 2007
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I like a good strong cup of Irish Breakfast Tea in the morning. I use loose leaf tea. When I thought about Kenwood and looked at my tea leaves, i didn't see the demise of Kenwood Ham Radios. Come to think of it, I didn't see anything related to the Drake radios I have in the Tea Leaves either.
Maybe I need to switch from Twin Lead Tea Company to another company's tea? Or was that Twining's Tea Company?
73
Bob
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by W3JJH on June 12, 2007
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Guys, look at my earlier post. Kenwood is telling the investment community that one of their major markets is amateur radio gear. They are not leaving. If that were their plan, they'd downplay activity in the ham radio market.
BTW, Kenwood is the world's second largest supplier of two-way radio equipment, and that represents about a third of their total revenue. About half comes from the car audio market, and the rest mostly from home audio/visual equipment.
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by W4LGH on June 12, 2007
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W0DKM Said..."I would like to see a Kenwood Rig in every New Plymouth, and Olds being made!"
I thought EVERY New Olds and Plymouth had the NEW Kenwood TS-33000-SES installed as standard equipment! They don't?? I crushed!
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by K5ADF on June 12, 2007
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I agree with your estimation of Kenwood's amateur radio division. I did not get to attend Dayton this year for the first time in over a decade. In the past several years the ICOM and Yaesu booths have been shoulder to shoulder while the Kenwood booth was lucky to have a handful of people other than the ones taking a short cut to the MFJ or ICOM booth. I just returned from Hamcom in Dallas and it was the same there. The ICOM and Yaesu booths were crowded with hams asking questions, while the Kenwood both was vacant for the most part.
Kenwood has decided not to compete in the amateur market and is placing their R&D dollars on other lines that they evidentally feel is more lucrative. Kenwood is resting on their laurels and soon will be a has been in the amateur market. It will be sad to see them go.
In 2000 I replaced my TS690 with a 756Pro. I have used a lot of Kenwood products in the past and have been pleased with them. I buy the best product being offered at the time and therefore have a mix of Kenwood, Yaesu and ICOM products in my shack and vehicles.
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RE: Death of a Radio Company
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by K5UJ on June 12, 2007
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<<<They do so by having people work 60 hours weekly (pretty much as a minimum), sometimes 80 hours weekly, sometimes no days off per week. The main plant employs 90,000 people.
Ya just don't see that here in the good old U.S. of A.>>>
Yes, and thank God for labor laws. Anyone who doesn't like organized labor or has a beef with unions can immediately start working 12 hrs/day, Monday - Saturday, and forget about most of those holidays you get. That's because if you study labor history, you will learn that the 8 hr day, 5 day work week, and those nice restful holidays were all due to hard won victories we can all thank the labor movement for.
The TS480--they would have sold twice as many if they had not required the mic cable to be connected to the rig box instead of the control head. Who wants a mobile rig where you find out that if you mount the control head on the dashboard and put the rig box in the trunk, you have to run a mic cable to the trunk?
That was a deal killer right there.
I love Kenwood to death--I have Kenwood stereo components that are over 25 years old--a few years ago I had a gut feeling the TS870 was about to be discontinued and something told me nothing as good would be forthcoming so I bought one new a few months before they quit making them, got the $300 coupon that was available on it and that was one of the smartest ham decisions I have made in the past 6 or 7 years. I love the TS870 and wouldn't sell it for $2500. OTOH, I blew it when I bought the PS52 linear supply that went with it--expensive and unnecessary--an astron switching supply would have done just as well. The 870 is a great box -- it does everything I want and goes and goes.
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RE: Death of a Radio Company
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by KC8ADU on June 12, 2007
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