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Born to Be Wild
Vincent DiPilato (N2VIN)
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Born to be Wild - well at least as far as mobile HF goes.
When I first decided to get a real mobile rig instead of the HT I had been using I starting thinking about working HF mobile. Why not? After all I was subjected to strict CC&R regulations and doing HF on the road offered me FREEDOM from any constraints due to my location. I was free to drive up to the highest hill or put whatever antenna I wanted on my van as long as it met the D.O.T. height requirements. I started feeling like Wyatt and Bill in the movie “Easy Rider”.
Then I started to search the web for information on installing a mobile HF rig and got scared off. Seems like there are only a few web sites that almost EVERYONE uses as their bible for mobile installation do's and don'ts. To my dismay I read about running bonding straps from every segment of my van to each of it's neighbors. My choice of an antenna mount was no good and would not work well. I had to ground my muffler, look out for the numerous computers hidden around my van and those pesky airbags that could deploy when I keyed my mic. Apparently the fuses that came with my power cable were not good enough and I needed more and then there was all that noise generated from the various parts of my engine. Apparently I HAD to do it right or suffer horrible HF performance as anyway else sucked the RF juice right out of my rig.
I read scientific data that proved that my choice of antenna was little better than a dummy load and the position of it would make it difficult to talk across the street much less around the world. It seemed that all the equipment I was contemplating on getting would only result in a lot of money spent with poor results.
Despite my “Easy Rider” feeling, I still had some self imposed restrictions. I wanted an antenna that would allow me to enter my parking garage at work without having to get out of the van to remove it first. I know me. If something becomes inconvenient I stop using it. I also wanted to be able to hide the antenna once parked as I had previously been robbed of all my mobile electronics a few months prior. I also did not want my van to look like something from outer space.
I briefly gave up on the idea as apparently my choice of equipment was not going to work well according to the armchair internet experts. It was back to using the HT, this time with a mobile amp. I had wires going here and there and everywhere but it was not the same as taking to someone in Estonia while driving to work. Then one day I was talking to Bob Penny, my favorite HRO salesman whose children I put through college, and mentioned that I spent almost 3 hours a day in my van driving to and from work and therefore spent much more time using the radio in my van than I did at home. I told him that I had considered mobile HF but got scared off. He told me that he used to do mobile HF with a lot less equipment than I was contemplating and without all of the “necessary” things that had to be done to ensure success. He got me thinking again and gave me confidence that just maybe I could enjoy HF doing things “my way”. My requirements were as follows:
Minimum hassle in installing - no drilling, no taking apart the van.
High wife acceptance factor.
Safe mobile HF operation or at least as safe as possible. (Did anyone else read the warnings in some mobile HF manuals that tell you not to use the rig while driving?)
Automatic method of retracting antenna so that I could drive into indoor garage.
Easy removal and storage of antenna.
Automatic antenna tuner (see requirement #3).
An antenna mount that would not require drilling.
I did my homework and this is what I came up with:
Rig - Icom IC-7000 with AB5N mic mod. Thanks Bob!
Antenna - HF: High Sierra Sidekick with “Spurs”, VHF/UHF: Larsen NMO Dual Band
Antenna Tuner - Turbo Tuner.
Antenna Mount - Diamond K400-3/8C (Trunk lip mount) for HF, Diamond K412CNMO for UHF/VHF antenna.
Antenna Quick Release - Hi-Q GQD. It is the only one I found that is made to support the diameter of a screwdriver antenna.
My van has a compartment under the floorboard between the first and second row of seats that is hidden under a floor mat and is lockable. My brother-in-law ran the power cables from my battery through an existing grommet in the van's firewall and then under the carpet into the compartment with the radio. The wires for the remote head and speaker were also run under the carpet so that they were out of sight. The remote head and microphone, when not in use, fits nicely into a slide out drawer under the passenger's seat in the van so when not in use there is no evidence of a radio other than the antenna mounts on the rear door.
I set up the trunk lip mounts on either side of my van's rear door approximately in the middle of the door as I had no choice as that was the only area that had a lip. In fact, the choice of antennas was determined by this factor. Since almost half the antenna lengths were below the roof of the van I swung the mounts out so that the antennas would not be located directly to the rear of the van. Using very thin coax I ran both antenna feed lines under the van's trim by simply lifting it up with a screwdriver and pushing the coax under it. I ended up with a mobile installation that met all of my requirements as far as antenna height, ability to hide gear, ease of use (safety) and wife acceptability (well almost). All done with no holes routing wires in existing spaces. For long trips a Heil Traveller headset (one ear covered only) makes it a little bit less distracting.
Like an excited school boy I turned my creation on. Made my first contact to a station in Norway in a matter of minutes on 20m and got a good signal report. OK, so far so good. I tuned through the bands and then my radio shut down. Hmmm, did I short circuit anything? Hope that I did not ruin my new radio. I tentatively turned the power back on again and was thrilled when the power came back on. Great! Wife will not kill me now. I tuned to 6 meters and pressed my tune button and it happened again. Oh oh, maybe the internet gurus were correct after all. Darn you Bob Penny! I next tried 10 meters with the same results. All the other bands were working well though. Not being a complete idiot I guessed that excessive RF was causing the SWRs to exceed 3:1 and my radios protection circuits were doing what they were supposed to do; give me a heart attack. My base station radio at least is nice enough to flash high SWR rather than inconsiderately shut down with no indication of what the problem is.
As soon as I got home I emailed High Sierra and Jim, the owner, emailed me back quickly with some very useful grounding hints that did not include anything that I could not easily do. I ignored some of his advice (sorry Jim) and followed the rest. Apparently I was victim to the dreaded mobile RF problem that I had read about but as I was to find out, the solution was not as drastic as some wanted me to believe. I simply ran some braided ground strap from the two antenna mount screws closest to the antenna mount on my rear door to an existing bolt on the rear body of the van. This bonded the door to the back of the van or at least I hoped so. I next ran a short run of grounding strap from the ground screw on the IC-7000 to one of the screws in the bottom of the driver's sear. I figured that the seat had to be connected to the body. All in all I used less than 3 feet of bonding strap. One last item was necessary and that was a simple ferrite snap on choke for the remote head cable. Actually, subsequent testing showed that the choke was all that was necessary as there is a known problem with RF and the 7000's remote head cable. In any event, success was finally mine and I could tune all over the place without the rig shutting down on me and with an SWR of 1.5:1 in most cases.
What I ended up with was a rig that I could control with a hand mic, tune with the hand mic, allowed me easy garage access, could be stowed away so that it would be out of sight and allowed me to remove or replace my HF antenna in under 30 seconds. All without making a hole in the van. Of course this came with a steep price tag, higher than that of my base equipment at that point, but worth it in my eyes since it allowed me to work HF for a few hours each day. It has made a stressful task twice a day into something I now look forward to. I even get into the right hand lane so I can go slow when there is some good DX out there. I do want to emphasis at this point that your HF mobile setup does not have to be as elaborate or expensive as what I did. A simple used HF rig with a hamstick will give you many hours of fun. In fact, a friend of mine sold his Sidekick antenna and tuner, etc. and now just uses a hamstick with great results. For me, at least, I could live with just 20 meters. Always seems to be someone to talk to there.
How well does it work? Well if you listen to me tell it, it works great. What else am I going to say? I work a lot of mobile DX, get “real” good signal reports, sometimes better than I get with my base antenna and have a lot of fun during rush hour. Who can ask for anything more? OK, I know it can be better but that does not translate into more fun for me. Now maybe if I grounded my mufflers and each section of the van's body, and mounted my antenna on the roof and so forth I could squeeze out some more db's but I am not one of those people who wants to climb mountains because they are there. I get enough action in my van to keep me very satisfied and YES I am talking about HF mobile and not what you are thinking! I get lots of reports about my strong audio (thanks again Bob) so I am very pleased with what I have put together. I also discovered that most DX stations love working mobiles and will go out of their way to pick me up in a pile up. Sometimes when I have problems reaching a particular DX station I will simply get in my van and, well, you get the picture. Hmmm, if I put my base rig on roller skates does that make it a mobile?
As I learned through my adventures with antennas in a CC&R environment, do not let others tell you what you can or can not do. Listen to all advice but do not accept it blindly. You do not have to achieve HF Mobile Nirvana and can have fun with somewhat less. Our little hobby does not have to be a decision between nothing or perfection. I hope that I have encouraged others to go HF mobile.
Steppenwolf: "Born To Be Wild."
“Get your motor runnin' Head out on the highway Lookin' for adventure And whatever comes our way
Like a true nature's child We were born, born to be wild We can climb so high I never wanna die. Born to Be Wild Born to Be Wild...”
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by K4MC on September 8, 2007
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I, too, have mounted my IC7000 in a compartment in my vehicle. With any mobile HF rig and the IC7000 in particular, make sure there is plenty of air exchange into and out of the compartment. The IC 7000 runs very hot and begs for additional cooling. I mounted a small fan over the factory fan to run full time when the rig is on, and another to circulate cabin air into the compartment. This has worked wonders in keeping the rig cool and the change in the rig's temperature gage is dramatic!
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by G1MZP on September 8, 2007
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Hi,
this thread really struck a chord with me.
In many ways the Internet makes vast volumes of knowledge and information available to all of us, I know I spend hours trawling through various posts.
But, one of the things I have found, is that the more you look and research a project before embarking on it, for instance HF mobile, the more daunting it can become.
I rushed out and bought a Yaesu FT 857 and ATAS combination and slapped it on the car and it worked, all modes all bands with good results.
But then I started to do lots of research and found that this was a really poor set up and if I tried I could do WAY better.
So I bought loads of radios, loads of antennas and did all the RF bonding etc, and did it improve?
Not that I can tell, was it more fun, NO WAY, having to mess about changing this setting and that setting to yield very similair results took a lot of the joy away.
So perhaps the old adage of "a little knowledge being a dangerous thing" should be ammended, or added to " Too little or Too much knowldege can be a dangerous thing."
Regards
Alan
G1 MZP
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by K0BG on September 8, 2007
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The bottom line is simply this; how serious are you about operating mobile? A QRP rig, and a mag mounted hamstick will indeed garner you a few DX contacts, which proves just how little radiated power it takes to jump the pond. And, I suppose you can work anything you can hear. The problem is, you aren't hearing as well as you might think you are.
If you operate mobile for a few years, you'll eventually want to improve your installation, and the tips about proper mounting, bonding and wiring will suddenly come to light.
Lastly, I don't take offense, even though I know my web site in one of the ones you referred to.
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by N5EAT on September 8, 2007
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In my opinion the best way to tell if your antenna is better than someone else's antenna is to do a fairly comprehensive "walk around" of your vehicle with a field strength meter while someone else is ID'ing the rig and transmitting a carrier (you can do this part anyway you wish as long as you do it legally).
Measure from the ground, eye level, even get on a roof nearby. Radiation angles vary wildly from vehicle to vehicle. A Hamstick antenna radiating below 30 degrees and above the ground will work better than the most sophisticated mobile antenna system radiating into the ground or up into the clouds.
Alan's right about qrp. Below 20 meters, your signal strength drops frightfully. You'll make great contacts if you make sure your system makes the classic donut - or at least some kind of low angle obove ground pattern.
Of course, my theory here does not address received signal strength. I had a single band bugcatcher antenna that indeed heard well but radiated directly into the ground. I did not have any idea why literally NO ONE heard me until I did the walk around with the frequency strength meter. You don't have to understand any theory if you can learn how to make the right connections, and determine your radiation pattern.
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Not Born to Be Wild, Just the Ham Spirit!
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by AI2IA on September 8, 2007
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"As I learned through my adventures with antennas in a CC&R environment, do not let others tell you what you can or can not do. Listen to all advice but do not accept it blindly. You do not have to achieve HF Mobile Nirvana and can have fun with somewhat less. Our little hobby does not have to be a decision between nothing or perfection. I hope that I have encouraged others to go HF mobile."
Part of being a ham is refusing to take "no" for an answer, a natural curiousity, a love of playing with parts, often thinking about "what if ...," adding, subtracting and changing things around to suit your own ham way of doing things. IT IS ALL PART OF HAM INGENUITY! Always learning, always doing, always trying new things, always having fun - that's the way to do ham radio.
ARRL bashers, gloom and doomers, ah the good old days, license class caste system, CW only, emcomms are wannabe cops - all this is the wrong attitude.
HAM RADIO IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT FOR YOURSELF AND FOR OTHERS, TOO!
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by N0AH on September 8, 2007
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We have talked a lot about mobile installations on E-ham this year. But one firm factor keeps coming out from our postings. You can't use enough ground straps. And I am talking about the ones you find in the auto part stores. Any thing from 8-12 inches long with at least a 5/8 to 1 inch width. I have a 1996 Ford pick up. I have over 20 straps connecting everything. In fact, if my truck ever roles over I know my ground straps will kep it together. I got rid of about 2-3 s-units of motor noise when a groundstrapped my truck. I use a FT-900 a Tarheel 100, and 100 watts. Could not be happier.
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by K8MHZ on September 8, 2007
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"Why are people afraid of drilling holes in cars?"
One reason is that they will still be there after the antenna is removed when attempting to sell the vehicle. Antenna mounts don't seem to come with plugs for the holes and some shopping is needed to find them. Also, the plugs may not be waterproof.
One thing I found out the hard was that the shavings from using a hole saw are very hot and burn through the paint when they land on it. Also, the thin metal of the roof binds in the hole saw and just as the saw is about to cut through the metal and it grabs and damages the metal, somewhat seriously I might add.
Hopefully some can learn from my mistakes. First, do not use a hole saw. Get a knock out for electrical conduit and use a twist drill just large enough to make the pilot hole. Greenlee makes the knock outs and they can be found at electrical supply houses and some Home Depots. Prior to drilling with the twist drill protect the immediate area with masking tape. Make sure that any metal coming from the drill does not stay in contact with the paint long enough to burn through it which I assure you it will. After the correct size hole is punched, of course, remove the masking tape and install the antenna mount.
Another issue with drilled mounts is that the amount of leverage the antenna applies is sufficient to bend the metal in body of the vehicle. That happened to me in my 1996 Caravan. Now the roof of the vehicle has rust spots on it and is warped. It's really not visible unless you are looking for it but not something I was intending to have encountered by using a hole mounted antenna.
The rust spots could have been avoided had I exercised due caution during installation, but the paper thin metal cars are made of today will indeed warp no matter what when any significant force is applied to the connected antenna.
The upshot is I don't have to try to figure out how to get the feedline from the outside of the vehicle to the inside. The feedline is hidden completely from view and that was achieved with minimal effort. I also noticed slightly better performance over a mag mount. The antenna element is very easy to remove and also easy to exchange with other elements which I do like. The overall outside appearance of an antenna that doesn't have coax draped across the roof and stuck through the door seals is better as well and there is no worry of damaging the coax by deforming it, as I have seen happen many times.
I would certainly recommend a drilled antenna mount but not repeat the method I used to do it. I would also try to come up with some means to strengthen the metal directly adjacent to the mount, especially if used on a trunk or a part of the vehicle that is readily visible. I don't think much more than using a decent thickness of metal, perhaps 4 inches square with an inch or so hole drilled in the center attached to the underside of the roof (in my case) with structural adhesive would be all that is necessary to prevent warping. It's amazing just how thin the sheet metal in automotive bodywork is nowdays due to the use of shape and cross braking to provide structural stability.
I know there are plugs available to fill the holes once abandoned but am not sure about keeping them waterproof once installed. Depending on silicone caulk, for instance, is fine for a short time but as most of us know it will break down and eventually leak. Not good if the hole is in the roof above the headliner as much damage could occur before the leak is even noticed. I would recommend what is called RTV black in the automotive industry which is used for sealing engine components and works very well. Chrysler dealerships sell the best stuff I have ever used. It is a bit more expensive than stuff sold at aftermarket stores but well worth the expense. RTV stands for Room Temperature Vulcanizing and it literally turns into some of the most resilient rubber that I have ever encountered.
Even with my not so great experience with drilling an antenna mount I still recommend them, just not the way I did it!
73
Mark K8MHZ
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by K8MHZ on September 8, 2007
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RE: Ground straps
I have found that great straps can be made from pieces of discarded coax.
Carefully cut the outer insulation exposing the braided shield. Then, push the ends of the shield toward the center which will increase the diameter enough to allow the shield to be slid off the coax. With a little effort the shield can now be made into a range of diameters and then flattened into a decent ground strap.
So far this has worked well for me. One word of caution is that such strap is susceptible to narrowing if pulled on, other than that I have had no trouble with it and the price sure is right!
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by KB5DPE on September 8, 2007
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"One thing I found out the hard was that the shavings from using a hole saw are very hot and burn through the paint when they land on it. Also, the thin metal of the roof binds in the hole saw and just as the saw is about to cut through the metal and it grabs and damages the metal, somewhat seriously I might add."
You must be using WAY TOO MUCH pressure on that drill or hole saw, the tool is dull or the drill speed is too fast! After some 30+ years of installing commercial radios for a living, I NEVER ONCE experienced any of these issues, even in busses and heavy equipment where the roof metal approaches 1/4-inch thick and is VERY hard! A SMALL amount of cutting oil will help, as well, but be careful of the headliner or other upholstered items. Nothing wrong with the punch idea, either, if you can gain access to both sides of the hole (which didn't happen very often in my experience). It does leave a very nice finish and would be preferred if it can be done. A hole saw, especially a "bottoming" hole saw, however, will also do a very nice job if carefully used.
Tom
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by KB5DPE on September 8, 2007
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Early on, however, I DID make the mistake of leaning on the metal shavings while tightening the antenna mount instead of cleaning them off first. I wound up paying for having the area around the antenna mount refinished as those shavings scratched the paint beyond repair. Seems we all have to learn some things the hard way!
Tom
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by WA1RNE on September 8, 2007
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For nice clean holes, try a Greenlee punch or a Unibit.
A Unibit is a great tool as it creates a variety of hole sizes (good for lots of other projects), is self-starting and deburs as it cuts.
With any rotating bit, always add a coating of light machine oil. This reduces heat during cutting and reduces wear and tear on the bit.
...WA1RNE
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by K6PCW on September 8, 2007
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This product sure intrigued me! The ST940B Mobile HF NVIS Antenna
Wife approval rating: 9
Anti-theft deterrent rating: 8+
Garage ceiling clearance factor: safe
Cool factor: Very
http://www.star-h.com/products/nvis.html
And a Google Video of it...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065358297033795883&q=nvis+antenna&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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by KC1QF on September 8, 2007
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I have always operated mobile until I bought a Jeep TJ. The RFI noise makes it impossible. However, someone has managed to filter the noise out of the Jeep TJ and wrote an article in last month's World Radio magazine. I will implement his changes (put a coffee can around the distributor, completely enclose the coil, double ground the plug wires, filter the alternator and the fuel pump) and finally should enjoy mobiling again.
I have always been a mobiler and nothing can replace driving cross country with friends keeping me company on HF.
I own a IC-7000, 706MKIIG, IC-706, FT-757 and an IC-703 and use whichever I feel like it.
The IC-7000 beats all the others for RFI reduction using the IF DSP, but with the TJ modifications, I will be able to use whichever radio I like.
Peter, KC1QF
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by K1CJS on September 8, 2007
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I've found that the best way to proceed on mobile installations is this: Install the radio the right way, pulling power through dedicated wiring directly from the battery, making sure the radio unit is well bolted in, and routing the co-ax and installing the antenna correctly. Above all, taking the time and effort to do it right the first time.
When the radio is installed, turn it on and see if there is excessive noise on the bands, and if there is, take the steps to mitigate the noise then and not before you even try the installation out.
You may find you don't have to do much to get the quietness you want from the rig, instead of taking hours and hours to do all sorts of 'noise reducing' before even actually installing your rig.
Think about it.....
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by G0GQK on September 8, 2007
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Ha ha ha ha ! Someone asked why are you afraid of drilling holes in cars. For the same reason people with sense don't drill holes in their baths ! Perhaps if you live in a desert its OK.
G0GQK
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by AA4PB on September 8, 2007
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Ahh, I do drill holes in my bath. I have a hole for the drain, three for the faucet and controls, and one for the shower head. A hole doesn't equate to leaks if you do it correctly.
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by W2RDD on September 8, 2007
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Can't address wildness but if you have HOA restrictions and you have a garage and wide driveway, you can't beat a nice van in that driveway as a permanent radio shack. First-class mobile antenna mounted on it, using the mains in the garage. An electric heater when it gets cold. Even if the engine was dead but the van itself was spic and span, it would do nicely. Plus you get away from the women folk for a bit.
Sort of a 21 century version of those backyard hamshacks pictured on old illustrated QSL cards.
Just make sure the #*** don't have restrictions against vehicles parked out of doors, no matter how presentable they are.
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by K8QV on September 8, 2007
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Thanks, I'm glad somebody finally took time to write an article like this. No matter how well you consistently perform with your mobile setup, if you didn't install it the way someone else might have done it, that someone else will remain convinced you're imagining your mobile DX contacts. It just can't work unless you devote 50 hours labor and $3,000 to the installation.
OK, here goes. Common Euro, Caribbean and Central/South America DX consistently. Australia and Africa. Worked JA one morning driving to work. Get through the occasional pileup even. Worked S9SS in a pileup one afternoon on the drive home. He couldn't believe I was mobile, either! This, over the past few years of rather poor propagation. All contacts were 20 meter SSB, 100 or 50 watts. I use a TS-50 and a mag mounted Hamstick on the roof of a Saturn VUE. That's it. Anecdotal evidence? I have an anecdote every day there's any propagation at all. Could I theoretically improve my mobile sig? Maybe actually improve it? You bet, but why bother? I don't contest from the car, and I don't care if I get a 59 or a 57. My hobby is radio, not auto mechanics.
The lesson is that you should try simple first. If you're not happy with the performance you'll have to spend more and work harder. Theory is fine, and sometimes applies to the real world - sometimes not. That's why we should experiment in our own environments to see what works. You may be surprised. I was. I have by example de-mystified mobile HF for a couple of hams who wanted to go mobile HF but thought it was too involved a project. They're glad to be on HF in the car now, since it was so easy!
I know the theory too, and I know what also works. Theory isn't wrong, but it isn't always necessary to go overboard to have the absolute best signal out there. Just have some fun.
My purpose here is to encourage those who can't invest in the ultimate mobile station to do what they comfortably can and try it anyway. If I only made half the contacts I do it would still be fun.
- Chris
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by K1CJS on September 8, 2007
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"Ha ha ha ha ! Someone asked why are you afraid of drilling holes in cars. For the same reason people with sense don't drill holes in their baths ! Perhaps if you live in a desert its OK."
The only reason not to drill holes in cars is if you don't know what your doing--as in what seems to be in this case. If you're afraid to drill a hole for an antenna, have someone do it for you--its the best way to mount an antenna.
The bath? If you're a rabid ham, you'll look anywhere to mount the antenna!!
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by K0BG on September 8, 2007
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The question remains; why do amateurs, particularly neophytes, equate the number of DX contacts they've made, as a measure of how well their station works? Think about this:
Yardley Beers, WØJF (sk), once mounted a 15 watt light bulb atop a 40 foot telephone pole in his back yard. He fed the light bulb through about 100 feet of RG58. He used a home brew QRP transmitter with about 1 watt output. At the time (he was a consummate physicist and college professor), he estimated the ERP at less than 30 mw. It took him just short of 3 years of part-time operating to work DCXX with this set up. He even got an article published about his feat.
The only thing Yardley's experiment proves, is how little ERP is required to talk across the pond(s). In other words, the number of DX stations worked, doesn't mean squat! Nor does the statement, "I can work everything I hear".
Alan, KØBG
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by N5EAT on September 8, 2007
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Alan, I believe what people mean when they are happy with "working everything they can hear" is that their installation supplies a positive fun factor which is conducive to continued operation. That's all that's required. I had one of the infamous installations where I couldn't work anyone I heard, and no one ever answered a CQ (bugcatcher).
Not a slam on the bugcatcher in the least. I had mine mounted securely near the bottom of the car, and it simply radiated the wrong way. I mounted it in the back yard for a while, and with a radial cut to frequency - it did well considering how low it was.
The Bugcatcher is one of those heavy jobs which demands a strong secure mount. It didn't like mine.
I have found that location on the vehicle is not critical unless it's one of those magic vehicles which simply have only one nearly unfindable good mount point.
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by K1CJS on September 8, 2007
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Mark has hit the nail on the head. To me it is how much enjoyment I can get by doing what I like to do. If I make contacts, I'll work them--if I can't, I won't. I think those that sweat the specifics, the people who just have to prove or have proof of the correctness of everything take the simple joy out of the hobby.
In short, if you want things perfect, fine--good for you. Just don't tell me I'm full of it if I think otherwise, and say so. If it works--even though fancy figuring and measurement says it shouldn't--its up to the individual if they want to use it or not.
If it works for me, I'll say so. And if you insist it shouldn't--or won't, without trying it for yourself--shame on you.
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by K8QV on September 8, 2007
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The only thing Yardley's experiment proves, is how little ERP is required to talk across the pond(s). In other words, the number of DX stations worked, doesn't mean squat! Nor does the statement, "I can work everything I hear".
How can working plenty of DX and working everything heard mean nothing? QSOs are the ultimate goal of the typical operator, not the last ounce of ERP he can squeeze out.
I personally know two hams who never tried mobile HF specifically because of your website! They knew I worked mobile and wanted to see how I did it. They were dumbfounded that I could even make a single contact with my simple installation after reading your information and caveats on mobile installations. Now they happily work stations every day from their cars.
I want everyone who is afraid to try mobile HF because it is so hard and complicated to read this and not feel like their DX contacts and "working everything they hear" doesn't really count because they didn't do it your way and get every bit of efficiency they can. After all, for every one of us mobile stations, it's still just a stick on a car, and any stick should work as well as 30mw from a light bulb. And that was the conclusion to draw from Yardley - it's not hard to do much with little.
- Chris
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by KB9CRY on September 8, 2007
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I just worked the 3B7C station with my 3 element 40M beam up 40M and running 1 KW with one call.
THAT, is Born to be Wild!!
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by N6AJR on September 8, 2007
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I use a ft 857 and an ATAS on the car, and a ft 847 and a DK-3 in the truck. they both do ok. Neither is the "best" setup, but the car parkes in the garage and the ATAS fits, so its perfect for me, and I like the DK-3, because I see Don Johnson every year in the get together at Larry & Sue's place in Vacaville.
perfect, no works for me , yes
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by KF4HR on September 8, 2007
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Everything sounded great until I read the part about getting out and removing the antenna when you park. Same situation here. Toss in a heavy dose of rain, sleet, or snow, oh... and trying to find a place to pull over in the city to get the antenna disconnected, and the experience becomes even more fun! Especially when you do it 5 days a week!
It sure would be nice if we had a better choice than the good 'ol, barely capable, K400 mount. With all the motorized HF antennas out there now, I'm amazed someone hasn't come out with a heavy-duty motorized mount and can handle the wind loading of a HF mobile antenna.
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Actually my antenna does retract to a compact 15 inches so I no longer have to stop the car in the street to remove it. I park indoors and with the antenna on and just press and twist to remove it from the mount using the quick release and place it into the rear of my van. Takes less than 30 seconds and is done while parked in my garage. I only remove it at work because of the potential of theft. At home I keep it on the van in my driveway and about town.
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by N2VIN on September 8, 2007
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You are correct. Today I looked at my S meter and there was hardly any reading on it. My rig is quiet and was from the very begining. Sometimes I double check because I think there is something wrong because the noise floor is so low.
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by N3QT on September 9, 2007
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Has anyone ever made money trading a car in?
If you buy the vehicle, DRILL THE HOLE!!!
EASY Riders would never leave the wrappers on a lamp shade!
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John De N3QT
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by W9OY on September 9, 2007
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Get your motor runnin'
Head out on the highway
Lookin' for adventure
And whatever comes our way............
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by KF4HR on September 9, 2007
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N2VIN - the retracted Sidekick (15 inches) of course doesn't take into account its 3 foot whip, or the mounting height above ground, but that's great you found a workable solution.
In my case, my work (underground) parking lot has 6.5' height limitation, and parking in my garage isn't much better. I probably could have mounted my antenna near the vehicles bumper, near the gound, and met the parking lot height limitations, but to me there's already enough compromises in a HF mobile setup. I just couldn't see mounting my antenna so close (and low) to the metal body of the vehicle. No, I wanted my antenna as high, and in the clear, as possible. In this case, that meant the antenna had to mounted on top of my little car. So to park, my only choice was to take the antenna off, or find a way to tilt it over.
So the experiment began. A few months ago I had a FT-857D and ATAS120 mounted in/on my Toyota Prius. The thought being, this radio gear could possibly turn my 3 hour daily commute from hell, into a tolerable, or maybe even a pleasant experience. "Head out on the Highway!" (as you mentioned) could take on a whole new meaning! Thoughts danced in my head of being stuck in miles and miles of typical Washington DC traffic, but happy as a clam as I logged country after country, working DX all the way home. Or maybe catching those elusive 6 meter DX openings! I'd actually look forward to my commuting times and the nightmare traffic jam scenario would become pure bliss! Yeah, this was going to be great. Just a couple of minor issues to overcome, or so I thought...
The ATAS120 being one of the smaller, lighter screwdriver (albeit less efficient) antennas, I first tried a Diamond K9000 motorized mount, with a K400 lip mount. The K9000 wouldn't hold the antenna vertical at highway speeds. Then I tried the slightly stronger Madol motorized mount. It worked, barely, and could handle the wind loading of the ATAS120 antenna even when the antenna was extended to 40 meters, up to about 65mph. At the time I didn't realize I had invented a great 40 meter antenna, speed control device! At 68mph the antenna would give-way, racketing over to the horizontal position. But as I slowed down, the Madol mount allowed me to re-raise the antenna, no harm done. Of course these motorized tilt-over mounts aren't designed for much more than a VHF whip, but I figured I had to try.
With the antenna tilt-over problem "sort of" resolved, I figured I was on the road to HF mobile bliss. Nope! Then came the Toyota Prius's RF noise problem. I learned the Toyota Prius has wheel-generator devices in each wheel that provide a charge to its battery pack when de-accelerating. This resulted in a S-7 to S-9 noise level whenever the charging cycle took place. Step on the gas and the noise would disappear. Of course it was sort of difficult to time my HF reception periods with constant acceleration periods. hi! When the vehicle was stopped, reception was perfect, but obviously I was not finding the HF mobile bliss factor I was looking for. Grounding and bonding of the vehicles chassis and body components, muffler system, engine, made no difference in the wheel-generator noise. Filtering the radio's power cable? No effect. Fancy DSP filtered speakers? Barely any effect.
I even considered trading my Prius in on another type of commuter vehicle, but several advantages of owning my Prius shot that idea down. Finally, not wanting to continue deeper into this, I found a solution. I sold my 857D/ATAS120 and went back to VHF/UHF FM gear in my Prius.
I also have a IC-7000 which I have in my motorcoach, along with a SGC-239 autotuner and whip. At least this setup works nice!
KF4HR
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by KE2SX on September 9, 2007
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Peter -
I have an '01 TJ (coil-on-plug bar), and also found the engine noise to be a major problem, to the point where I just removed the 706MKIIG. If the engine wasn't running, things weren't too bad, but the plastic roof and small amount of metal 'real estate' for antenna mounting is a challenge. Hamstick mounted to the rear bumper with ground braid from mount to frame, and mag mount Larsen 2/70 NMO on the front fender - poor performance all the way around.
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by AA1IK on September 9, 2007
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If it were not for my mobile shack, I would not have been able to operate at all for a couple of years.
Its not like having a shack at home, but its better than no shack at all.
Most memorable moment; working a guy in the North Western Territories on 10 meters from a steep sided little river valley in Vermont.
Mobile operating was an adventure, and as adventures go, they are by their very nature uncomfortable. That is part of the lure to mobile ops.
Cold in the winter, bugs and heat in the summer.
I noticed that when the rain droplets were just the right size, they would collect on the plastic tube covering the screwdriver antenna, and the SWR would go wild.
Applying some furniture wax to the tube fixed this. The rain would bead up on the plastic tube and run off.
Road salt would cause slush to collect on the base coil, but a spray job of WD40 took care of this too.
Parking in a county park in Florida and operating CW; once in a while a van would park right next to me and cause QRM.
I had to move to get any signal at all.
Now a days, I operate portable from my Airsteam travel trailer. I live on the road full time.
My present campground is very ham radio friendly. I have a dipole at 40 feet and also use a High Sierra Screwdriver mounted on the tongue of the trailer.
On occasion, I pull out the ic 703 and operate from a picnic table using a computer for logging and the keyboard for sending, both CW and PSK.
I have learned from these experiences.
1. Any antenna is better than no antenna.
2. Ham radio is what you make it.
3. Ham raido is like an old dog, no matter how long you stay away. Its always glad to see you when you come home.
de AA1IK/P
Ernie Gregoire
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by KC0YEF on September 9, 2007
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HI there sound like you learned a lot...
Thank you for sharing.
Here is my proposed mobile installation...
NO TUNERS ALL ANTENNAS ARE RESONANT
Radios
FT-817
Yaesu FT-8900 for obvious reasons.
APRS
Icom-2100 55watts yeah overkill but I live in an area with a lot of hills "WIDEx-x RELAYx-x SAR7-7" Gateway Solo PIII, TNC: Opentraker 2 OR TinyTrak4 GPS GARMIN and Delorme and one home brew.
AMPS for the FT-817
RM-KL300p 80m through 20m about 50watts 100 is too noisy.
"Dynamic Communication" 70cm 35watts
VoCom 2meter 30watts
Texas Star DX 350HDV 10m 900watts to 100watts high stability optione(planned) heavily modified for quality audio.
Antenna Diamond VHF UHF
Hustler Resonators for 20m 80m
180inch whip 40m-80m tied down horizontally for NVIS stays inside unless I am on a Search and Rescue
Pacific 12 Vertical 80m-70cm for mobile foot
Power:
1 farad cap @ battery and 1 farad cap @ radio(in case) for noise and stable power. (Upgrading to 4 farad when I move the system into my SUV.
Cables RG8 Shielded power pole the center core is used for + and - with the shield to ground.
triple fused at the battery frame entry and radio.
Now for the good news all of the 817 fits in a briefcase and can be removed overnight with little effort.
I have amassed this over 3 years and use this system daily at my Home QTH and the only consistent issues was keeping everything grounded. I am also rewiring everything for N mount.
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by VE3XDB on September 9, 2007
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Quotation from a previous posting:
The only thing Yardley's experiment proves, is how little ERP is required to talk across the pond(s). In other words, the number of DX stations worked, doesn't mean squat! Nor does the statement, "I can work everything I hear".
End of quotation.
I believe that the first sentence in the above excerpt is absolutely correct, thereby making the second sentence invalid.
Alan, if my objective is to make contacts, and my antenna is limited by the fact that I am mobile, or lack of resources available to dedicate to antennas, or restrictive covenants, or the ability to construct a large antenna, etc., then this experiment may encourage me to do what I can to enjoy the hobby and do my very best, whatever the limitations. To me, this may be worth somewhat more than "squat".
I find that there are many "definitive" statements found in these forums, usually making a subjective judgment of some kind. Any statement which expresses a definitive subjective position, can often be easily invalidated. Alternatively, a position that is stated with moderation, with a clear understanding of alternative views, and perhaps even some understanding of the context in which the original statement was made, may lead to a more positive discourse, with greater understanding, and the opportunity for all to learn.
Remember, even the most sophisticated of mobile installations is a compromise, and I would doubt that anyone would say that a mobile installation is worth "squat". Research, learning, and experimentation leads to continuous improvement, but without the first step, the road to continuous improvement will never begin.
With best regards,
Doug VE3XDB
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by KB1IAI on September 10, 2007
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Why are people afraid of drilling holes in cars?
ever hear of resale value??
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by K1CJS on September 10, 2007
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Resale value is subjective. I've never ever had a salesman ask me about, or had one point out a mobile antenna mount in quoting resale value. The way the used car sales are today, cars go into a body shop for minor touch ups. Its a simple matter for them to remove and repair the mount then--if they even bother. There is no way a mount will mark a car for a police car or a taxi, not with todays title laws.
Drill the hole, mount the antenna, and if you're asked about the mount at trade-in time, its for a cellular phone. Sometimes that even increases the value.
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by AA4PB on September 10, 2007
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By the time I trade in a vehicle it has about 100,000 miles on it and a trade in value around $500. Dealers don't put these cars on the lot, they wholsale them. They probably wind up being scrapped for parts. No way an antenna hole is going to have much impact. Most of the time I just leave the 2M antenna on it because I don't want to put an old antenna and mount on a new vehicle. Most of the time the new vehicle has a hole in the roof and a shinny new antenna within the first two or three days of its purchase.
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by N2VIN on September 10, 2007
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All valid comments but some of us sell our cars every two or three years to private individuals and not trade them in or sell them to used car dealers. I do not know about anyone else but it is hard enough to get top dollar with just normal wear and tear without having to deal with a hole in the car.
These drilling comments all make assumtions about the disposition of the vehicle based on what the commentor does. I am not you. I do not keep cars long. With the exception of a flat tire, I have never had a car long enough to buy new tires for it. I never reached 40K on an odometer and have sold cars that are 5 years old with less than 30K miles on them. I get top dollar so people expect my cars to be mint. Why are some people assuming that we all sell to dealers? If you were serious about mobile antennas put a yaqi in the bed of a pickup. I have seen this and that is a serious ham. Drilling holes for an antenna in nothing compared to that. :)
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by K0MU on September 11, 2007
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--by K0MU on September 8, 2007
--Why are people afraid of drilling holes in cars?
--ever hear of resale value??
If resale value is a worry, then you cannot afford the car.
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by KC1QF on September 11, 2007
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The article is in the World radio sep issue, page 50, and contains photos. The editor emailed me the original color photos.
Rich, W6OHJ basically uses EMI Fil-cons (dont know what these are - do you?). Maybe they are EMI low pass filters at 1.2A, 1.2uF.
The coil was enclosed in a fabricated tin box and fil-cons used for the coil leads.
The distributor was shielded in a coffee can with short pieces of brass tubing at the top for the plug wires to go through.
Plug wires covered with plastic slit tubing and then covered with 1-inch tinner copper braidand heat shrinbk tubing at the ends and the braid soldered to the short brass tubes.
The distributor sensor at the bottom was also shielded with some short heavy aluminum foil touching the coffee can.
An old fashioned whine filter was installed on the alternator/DC output lead and a Fil-con in the sense lead.
Finally fil-cons were installed in the + and - wires to the fuel pump.
I can email you color photos if you like. I will put all the info, photos and installation instructions in my website: vekinis.com.
73s, Peter
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by WI7B on September 11, 2007
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"As I learned through my adventures with antennas in a CC&R environment, do not let others tell you what you can or can not do. Listen to all advice but do not accept it blindly. You do not have to achieve HF Mobile Nirvana and can have fun with somewhat less. Our little hobby does not have to be a decision between nothing or perfection. I hope that I have encouraged others to go HF mobile."
Amen, OM. ThanX for your fine article!
73,
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Huh? Seems like good business sense to preserve the value of your assets. At least that is what I do in my business and personal life. I would be happy to buy your one year old car for 25% of its original value if the resale value does not mean much to you as I am sure that you could afford to take such a loss. :) In fact, by preserving resale value you are able to "afford" things that cost more because your out of pocket is less than it would be by buying something cheaper with a lesser resale value.
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by WA9PIE on September 12, 2007
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I used to be mobile in the late 80's. Sunspot cycle peak. It was fantastic. I ended up selling the vehicle and was out of HF mobile. Until...
A couple months ago, I finally decided to hook up a HF antenna to the IC-706MkIIG in my 2003 Chevy Avalanche.
We all have the same basic concerns - we don't want to make a big mess of the vehicle trying to install this stuff. My approach was to make NO permanent modifications to the truck. I kept to that, except for one (I welded something to the frame that is nearly unseen with the antenna removed).
Folks, you should check the pictures out.
http://www.wa9pie.net/hamradio
My approach was to start by buying a Tarheel MT3 mount. I then too it to a fabricator and told them to fabricate a stainless steel "trailer hitch" that would come off the driver's side of the existing trailer hitch where I would attach the MT3. I even gave them my truck and the MT3 and told them to call me before they welded.
Folks, it's perfect! The fabrication cost me $140. Amazing.
I also have a laptop stand on a pedistal for rig control, logging, and Internet access.
Check it out and I'll see you on HF.
73 de Mike, WA9PIE
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by KF4KQI on September 13, 2007
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Re-sale is not really a issue when you are buying a new car. The last two I traded in the salesmen didn't even hardly glance at the car. They just look to make sure it is sitting in the lot, and then spit out a number at you that the computer tells them too.
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by KI6LO on September 13, 2007
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As usual with mobile HF installation articles, there are two camps of thoughts and experiences. As stated in previously in this article and others on eHAM and the internet, you can make contacts with darn near anything that will radiate. The results of how effective the system is versus how fun it is to use is somewhat mutually exclusive and IMHO, a personal choice.
Hams historically have run the gamut from "tin foil and bailing wire" to "professional level configurations" when designing and installing equipment and communication systems. HF mobile setups are no different in my experience. A few years ago I decided to install a HF/VHF/UHF mobile setup in my daily commute vehicle. I too did my research and studied the successful and not so successful (or pretty) setups that I could find described on the internet. Being one to want everything to go more towards the professional level and away from the tin foil design, I decided to do all the 'accepted best practices" I found described therein. I feel that my efforts are well rewarded as I have a setup that has survived many miles, still has low engine / hash noise, makes successful contacts (DX and stateside) and most of all, it is fun AND EASY to use.
Do I have the best setup? Probably not, but I would like to think it is in the top 10-20% for the effort I put into it. I would highly recommend that anyone planning on doing a HF mobile setup or even those that want to possibly improve their current setup, to read the 3 volumes on HF mobileering from Don Johnson W6AAQ. Even if you don't folow any of his advice, it is a very interesting read. And my kudos (again) to Alan K0BG for his very informative mobile oriented webiste.
There are 2 statements I hear alot of concerning anything related to installing ham radio gear in a vehicle. These are "Wife/spouse approved" and "Comments on drilling holes". On the first, I'll only say MY gear is in MY car and my wife doesn't have to ride with me if she finds it too bad. But since she does, I suppose that makes it "Wife Approved". On holes, like someone else mentioned, if your worried about resale value, then probably you shouldn't be installing ANY mobile ham radio gear. I've installed a lot of radio gear in autos and never got away without a hole or two. But then I take extremely good car of my autos and tend to drive a car until it is well worn - 200Kmiles or more. I just turned 106Kmiles in the Mitsubishi Galant shown on my website and it's still in prime condition.
Speaking of website, you can see my HF mobile install on my website "www.radioroom.org".
Gene KI6LO
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"if you are concerned about resale value then you should not consider installing ANY mobile HF rig".
Very encouraging and helpful comment. Just the thing I am fighting against in this hobby. Can't wait to see the website.
As a fairly new ham I am fascinated by the parallels to one of my former hobbies; High End Audio. Same kind of thing. Lots of Audiophiles were always willing to say what you have sucks if it is not what they think is best. They could even present lots of scientific data to back up their claims and were always ready to point out the shortcommings of your system to you. Still millions of people buy consumer grade audio gear and have a blast daily. No one cares it they are missing the top high and low end of the sound spectrum when they are too busy having fun dancing to the music.
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by KE4DRN on September 13, 2007
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hi
Unless the car is a rare or luxury type,
just get the hole(s) drilled.
Don't get me wrong, I would not drill a hole in
a Lamborghini but I don't own one !
Antenex makes the hs34 to drill the hole fast and easy
http://www.radiooutfitter.com/hs34/antenex/p98693.html
73 james
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by N2VIN on September 13, 2007
Very encouraging and helpful comment. Just the thing I am fighting against in this hobby. Can't wait to see the website.
As a fairly new ham I am fascinated by the parallels to one of my former hobbies; High End Audio. Same kind of thing. Lots of Audiophiles were always willing to say what you have sucks if it is not what they think is best.
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N2VIN,
It would have been very helpful if you would read the entire post before commenting, which it appears you didn't. What the meaning of the statement was that if someone was really concerned about the resale value of their vehicle it might not be the proper thing to do by installing any gear and taking the chance of causing any loss of value. Nowhere there did it say anything about anyone's gear or ideas 'sucking' or comparing anyone's efforts or project details to any standard.
And further more if you didn't take things out of context when replying, you would notice that I simply stated the process and conclusions the I PERSONALLY chose to do. I also only made the recommendation of additional reading material I found very helpful. No one was degraded for choosing their approach, no matter how little or much they chose to do.
Please spare yourself any agony and refrain from visiting my (or anyone's elses) website with experiences and comments concerning HF mobile installations. I would not want you to be upset from something I may have SUGGESTED or mentioned that I DID to MY personal vehicle. Your much too impressionable. If you can't take constructive comments and ideas from fellow hams, then I guess your just going to have to be upset and continue to post idiotic replies that make you look ignorant!!!
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by N2VIN on September 15, 2007
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Say what you will about me and no worries about visiting your web site but you said what you said. "On holes, like someone else mentioned, if your (sic) worried about resale value, then probably you shouldn't be installing ANY mobile ham radio gear." It is not out of context. You were not saying this about your own personal installation but rather telling the general public As I said, I know a lot of hams who have mobile installations without a single hole being made. Also know a lot of hams who are worried about resale value and find ways to install mobile rigs.
Yes, I do get upset when people say things like this but that is the way I am. :) I was turned off when I started this hobby by statements like that because I thought that I had to drill holes in my car and I did not want to. Then I found out that I could install an HF rig without drilling holes. My resale value is intact because when I take everything out of the van, no holes and no trace of a radio will be left behind.
Luckily I found some Elmers who presented me with options that fit my needs. If not for them, I would not even have a mobile rig.
In any event, I think we exhausted this subject and quite honestly I have no idea if I visited the web sites being mentioned here as I truly do not remember them. I will fuess that I did visit one or two but I could not tell you which ones unless I go back and take a look.
I will admit that I was not clear about the audiophile comment as it was not directed towards anyone but rather a comment on that hobby. Sometimes you really don't have to say gear sucks, but you can make people feel that way. This is not directed to you but just a general observation of what I found when I entered this hobby. I received a lot of backhanded praise such as "I've heard worse", "thats a good starter rig until you can get something better", etc. Perhaps more sensitivity on both sides is the answer.
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People who lease cars are the ones worrying about resale value.
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by KU2US on September 15, 2007
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I REALLY like that idea about a van radio shack parked in ones driveway! Yeh! run an extension cord to the van from the house & no motor noise. Maybe something from the electric heater though. A HOT opening on 6m? Start her up-drive to the highest elevation nearest you and do it! I WILL do this..Thanks for the idea..
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RE: Born to Be Wild
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by N6HPX on September 18, 2007
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I use to have a Icom 706mk2 in my car for many years and loved working the dx off it but got a nervous feeling one night as I took the rig out and kept it my hotel room at night, seemed some of the cars in our area were getting smashed windows.
I left town for 2 months with the radio inside and got a serious email from the guy who was watching it,seemed someone shot BB shells into the windows and the alarm went off, I spent a few weeks getting the windows replaced. I love the radio and enjoyed it but decided to take it with me on my worldly trips. Its now my full time station next to my Icom730.
Enjoy the road with it and have fun its very enjoyable working some Ja's or even a DL from your car.
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RE: CAMPER TRAILOR SHACK
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by N6HPX on September 23, 2007
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Knew a guy who's wife had him move his gear out of a room in the house so he bought a camper trailor where he has all his VHF/UHF/HF gear plus computers and antennas hooked up. He has alot more room so he even installed small flat screen TV.
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by W4WSW on September 24, 2007
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I Think that you can do Whatever you want in your car, Who Cares, when I buy a car I don't think in sell the car, I agree whit many fellas here You don't need to drill a hole in your car if you don't want to, but if you want to drill it at the end no budy will paid for your car, no body from here will buy your car, If I want to sell my car I will sell it whit or whit out antennas, any way cars came whit holes in everywhere and no ones complain about it.....
Peoples Don't be upset because a Hole, be happy because you are in the air.....
73's To All
Luis
W4WSW
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by K0RGR on September 25, 2007
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I had the same alarming problem you did with my IC-7000 shutting of when I keyed the radio, and my solution was just what you tried - a clip on ferrite and carefully redressing all the leads. But, I've since learned of a better idea.
If you look very carefully in the package that the cable for remoting the control head came in, you will find a tiny screw.
There is a tab on the end of the cable at the back of the control head. The little screw is to connect that tab to the control head. It turns out that tab is connected to a shield in the cable, and attaching this screw should eliminate any RF feedback problems!
I haven't tried this myself, but lots of people swear by it.
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