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Real Men Don't Need Instructions

from ARLIE EDWARDS on October 12, 2007
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Real Men Don't Need Instructions

I like a funny story even if it is on me.

About a year ago, I bought a Yaesu FT-857D High Frequency Ham radio and a nice ARAS 120A screwdriver antenna that automatically tunes to the frequency you have selected on the transceiver. Yesterday I decided it had set around the house long enough, and decided to install it in my truck...where it was intended to be put a year ago.

I found the right spot on the truck for the antenna and installed it. It took about an hour to run the coax behind panels and under the threshold of the door. It went without too much trouble.

The radio can be installed with the transceiver in a remote location with the head closer to the driver. I had built a small console that sits between the front passengers and had an ICOM 2720 remote head installed on it with the transceiver installed under the driver's seat. I wanted to install this HF rig in a similar manner with the transceiver under the passenger seat and the remote head on the little console next to the head of the 2720.

I took the 4 bolts loose from the passenger seat, turned it upside down and began the install. For your information, even a captains seat on a truck is not a really light thing and to get it out takes some maneuvering and a lot of straining...besides having to go to the front door to get those bolts out and then moving the seat as far forward as it will go and then going to the back door to get those bolts out. That does not count the number of times that I left the wrench in the front floor board when I needed it at the back and had to then get unwound from between the seats and go fetch the wrench.

After about 30 minutes, I finally got the seat out and upside down so I could work on it. I finally found some holes under the seat that would align with the holes on the transceiver bracket and got it installed. That sounds simple enough until you realize that there are 4 machine screws on the side of the transceiver that holds it in place on the mounting bracket and the mechanisms under the seat only allow about a half inch on each side to get them in and then get them tight. Then I wrestled the seat back into place…no easy feat in itself…and got the 4 bolts that hold the seat back in place. Keeping in mind the reverse of the above sequence where you have to go from one door to the other and forgetting the wrench again, etc. etc. Now keep this sequence of events in mind as the story progresses; because, it will come in handy later.

Now I have the remote head in hand and take about an hour to fabricate a piece of wood that will fit it at just the right angle so I can see it from the driver's seat. I recessed some screws, put the block on the console, fastened the remote head-mounting bracket and was ready to mount the remote head to the bracket when I realized a problem. You remember I said I had installed that ICOM 2720 before? On the remote head of the ICOM, it has a receptacle for a cable that goes from the remote head to the transceiver below the driver's seat, and on the other side of the remote head, it has another receptacle for the mike cord. -- A cord coming from the transceiver to one side of the remote head and a cord from the remote head to the microphone on the other side. -- Very simple; straightforward and logical.

When I looked at the remote head on the 857, sure enough there was a receptacle from the transceiver...now attached under the right front passenger seat…to the remote head, but no place to plug the microphone into the remote head. That couldn't be right. Why have a remote head with a 10' cord when you have to plug the microphone into the transceiver with a 3' cord? I thought that was one of the stupidest things I had ever seen a Japanese radio company do, but there was only one thing to do. I had to remount the transceiver up on the console so the microphone cord would reach. How dumb?

You remember I said to keep in mind how difficult it was to take that seat out, etc.? That is exactly what I did. When I got the transceiver out, I put the seat back with all the difficulties related above...sans the transceiver. I then found a proper place on the console for the receiver and mounted it there…after having to move a speaker about 2 inches so I could get the screws into the mounting bracket for the transceiver. Now the transceiver is mounted within 6" of the remote head...looks like s___t, but the microphone is now accessible. I found the cable that goes between the transceiver and the remote head…it wont fit. I then saw another package of cables and discovered it was the correct 10' cable that goes from the transceiver to the remote head, but what was this other 10' cable?

After looking at it for about 10 minutes like a calf looking at a new gate, a terrible thought struck me…sure enough…that cable was an extension cable for the mike. -- Still a crappy design. If I want to have a remote install, I would now have two cables coming from the transceiver…one for the remote head, and one for the microphone…instead of one cable between the transceiver and the remote head and a shorter cable from the remote to the mic.

Well if that is the way those guys designed it, it will not get the best of me. I am better than any radio...soooo. I uninstalled the transceiver from the console and took that front seat out a third time and reinstalled the transceiver under it…reference the above paragraph about the difficulty of taking the seat out, installing the transceiver and reinstalling the seat.

Finally everything was all installed, tested and works like a charm. I am very pleased with the radio and begin putting all the tools up and throwing away all the plastic bags and boxes, etc. I got all the tools put up, got all the trash picked up and put in trashcans except one final box…the big box that the radio came in. When I picked it up, there, underneath, was the instruction pamphlet for the "install of your new remote head and microphone." I threw it on the ground and stomped it till my feet hurt.

I am a grown man and don't need instructions.

Arlie Edwards

Wills Point

(((73)))

KE5DYD

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Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by W7ETA on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the article.

Normally, at this point, I'd tell you that my wife was always the one who thought of asking for directions. But, since she wasn't ham, I won't litter up this site with non-ham info.

Best Wishes
Bob
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by LNXAUTHOR on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
- appreciate the story! WoW! it sounds like *way* too much work for a mobile install... hope the setup lasts a long, long time!

:-)

- i also use the 857/ATAS setup, but install of remoting the head, simply bolted the rig vertically and faceup in a mobile bracket to the front of the middle front seat in my truck - where it has worked just fine for the last four years...
 
Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by K1CJS on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
A cute article--its been making its way around the internet for a while now. Its been on at least one other site--verbatim.
 
Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by WR8Y on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Red Green" would be proud.
 
Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by W8CAR on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Wow, We hams share similar genetic makeups. I think of all my projects where I 'invent' ways to solve problems and then ( after 4 hours of hard labor) read the directions to find the solution already there!!!!!!

Great story and it's always great to hr someone else's 'instruction fiasco'!!!

Dan W8CAR

 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by KG4ORX on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
i had mine radio installed corretly,and i had installed the tarheel 200 HP on back bumper away from tailgate ! the most important is ground the antenna short as you can so the radio will be happy so is the swr !

all the band expect 30 meter all flat swr zero !!! i'm happy with mine and no problem at all ! it will take time to get right at first time so don't rush it just take your time, alan k0bg website really helps.on grounding info. if you need help on grounding this is the place to stop by his website www.k0bg.com he has goody info. also you can look my site http://webpages.charter.net/kg4orx/

stop at my site and book em and sign guest book too.



73
Jackie
KG4ORX
WEBSITE http://webpages.charter.net/kg4orx/

 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by VA3EP on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

I guess I must be wierd, but I always scan the manual (at least the quick start part) before I power the new rig on. And then read it cover to cover. There are always things there you will never get, otherwise.

If anyone is intersted, here is a presentation I did on my mobile installation of the same rig and antenna(with a lot of general tips based on research I did):

http://www.larc.ca/meet_May_12_2005.htm

73

Eric
www.va3ep.net
 
Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by WA0ZZG on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Now you know what RFI really stands for.
Dave
WA0ZZG
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by WB2WIK on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Nice story. I can top it, in one way.

I had a brand new 1979 Pontiac Bonneville, 1 day old.

Went to install my mobile rig in it. Drilled through the firewall to get a power cable to the battery, in a place that absolutely, positively and obviously was a safe and correct place to drill, even according to the mechanic at the dealer.

Puff of smoke came out of the drilled hole, and all the dashboard lights no longer worked.

Brought it back to the dealer, to the same guy who said "it's safe to drill here" and told him we were both idiots. He agreed and they fixed the problem for free as a "warranty repair." I wonder how GM would have felt about that warranty repair.

It took them almost two days to fix it, the entire dashboard had to come apart and a multiwire cable harness be replaced from one end to the other.

When you're installing a mobile rig and smoke occurs, don't tell the XYL.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by AC7CW on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The seat removal/replacement gets easier as you get more experience though....
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by W6TH on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
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What we need for installation information is how to install our radios upon a horse, any ideas?

.:
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by KE3HO on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
At least they gave you a 10' cable for the mic. When I started to plan my installation for my Alinco DX-70 (which, like your rig, has the mic connector in the rig not in the front panel) I found that Alinco sells a 3' remote cable and a 14' remote cable, and they sell a 5' mic extension cable. 5 feet???? I guess that is so the guys who buy their 3' remote cable will have a mic cable that is 2' too long, and the guys who buy the 14' remote cable will have a mic cable that is 9' too short. Makes perfect sense. I ended up making my own mic extension cable.

73 - Jim
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by W6TH on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
.

(((Real Men Don't Need Instructions.)))

A cat learns by seeing and doing,

A dog learns by an Elmer.

Are hams equal to dogs or cats?

.:
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by AF6AY on October 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH posted on October 12, 2007:
"What we need for installation information is how to install our radios upon a horse, any ideas?"
...........
Heh, the US Army Signal Corps was at least 70 years ahead of you. Army mounted cavalry DID have "horse mobile" with the last one contracted to Galvin (Motorola) at the start of WWII. Battery powered (carried on a flat package on the radioman's chest along with a combo speaker-microphone), the radio itself was a little box with whip antenna on top and a pole on the bottom that fitted into every military saddle guidon socket. That pole gave it the nickname of "pogo stick."

In the rush of going to War, the Army neglected to tell the Signal Corps that horse cavalry had been downsized to just ceremonial duties. Motorola made a bunch of them and they were still put to use with infantry, some with a mobile mounting adapter for Jeeps and half-tracks. The operating TM even warned against jamming the guidon pole with force into the ground. :-)

It wasn't very successful off-horse and was replaced early by FM radios on VHF for vehicles and the legendary SCR-300 Walkie-Talkie backpack FM transceiver.

"Real cavalrymen didn't need radios!" :-)

73, Len AF6AY
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by KB9BVN on October 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There is no way this can even work. I don't see a single mention of duct tape, or velco. It's just not possible....also everyone knows you must drill at least 11 holes into something before any mobile installation will work.

 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by WL7CMG on October 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Well you know what "they" say..."When all else fails" etc..."

But I really think the reason many of us don't read the instructions first, is because nowadays it seems you need "instructions" to learn how to UNDERSTAND the instructions....!!! hi-hi

73....
 
Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by N3AIU on October 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!

So real men can't read?

73, Nick N3AIU/DL1NE
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by KE5EKO on October 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Instructions are as follows:
1. Obtain degrees in Mechanical and Electrical Engineering before proceding to step 2.
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by WA4DOU on October 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Don't know about "real men" but smart men figure that the manufacturer probably knows more than anyone else about his product, and reads the instructions first.
 
Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by NJ2E on October 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
First day of Airframe and Powerplant school, the teacher asked us, "What do first when working on an engine?" The students gave answers like get your tools, get rags etc. He said "Get the manuals and use them", I have never forgotten those words. 73s Don
 
Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by KI6JUU on October 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Its just as well you didn't read the instructions..The Yasaeu manuals are written by the same doofus that writes your DVD programing instructions, which are then translated into English by a Chinese 5th grader with an Japanese to English dictionary.
If the installation didn't smoke when you turned it on, its a good installation.
Loren KI6JUU
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by KA1OS on October 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Still a crappy design. If I want to have a remote install, I would now have two cables coming from the transceiver…one for the remote head, and one for the microphone…instead of one cable between the transceiver and the remote head and a shorter cable from the remote to the mic."

I actually prefer separate microphone and control head connections because I don't want the microphone cord hanging over the dashboard. I like to move the microphone connection to the armrest area instead. In some installations, rigs that have microphone connections on the head have the jack on an inconvenient side (Moral: You can't please everyone -- At least the FT-857 designers opted for a more flexible configuration).

Incidentally, the YSK-857 separation kit has 6 *meter* and 5 *meter* extension cables for the control head and microphone, respectively.
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by W5HTW on October 14, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Odd. I recently installed my FT857D into my Jeep Cherokee. The process was:

1. Hold radio in hand. Place it under dash. No, that won't fit.

2. Hold radio in hand. Place it under seat. Nope, no space.

3. Hold radio in hand. Put it on console. Nope, blocks the gear shift, and I do not want to drive in Reverse all the time.

4. Hold radio in hand. Place it further back on console. Ah, parking brake lever prevents it from fitting in place. And keep parking brake from working.

5. Open rest of the materials. Ah ha! There is a long cable. Must go from the radio to the remote head.

6. Hold remote head in hand. Place it at various positions on and around the dash panel. All such positions cover some control or gauge.

7. Determine which controls I won't use. Decide to cover them.

8. Mount remote head. Let's see, what is left over? Oh, yes, the radio. Cables. Microphone. More cables.

9. Give up and mount radio in rear under the spare tire (inside.)

10. Run power cables from right front of vehicle, to left rear of vehicle. Would it be easier to install a second battery under the spare tire? Nope. Run the cables.

11. Radio is installed. Remote head is installed. Do I have to connect them? Yes. Uh oh.

12. Run remote control cable. Plug it all in.

13. No audio. Open another accessories box. Find remote speaker cable. Mount remote speaker. Plug this in. Ah, sound.

14. Now we are to the original problem of this thread. The microphone.

15. Open another accessories box. Looks like a long microphone cable.

16. What should have been a moderately smooth installation took about three hours.

Huh? I gotta have an antenna, too??

Oh, God.

Ed
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by W3LK on October 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
KA1OS:

<< I actually prefer separate microphone and control head connections because I don't want the microphone cord hanging over the dashboard. I like to move the microphone connection to the armrest area instead. In some installations, rigs that have microphone connections on the head have the jack on an inconvenient side (Moral: You can't please everyone -- At least the FT-857 designers opted for a more flexible configuration). >>

I agree! The Alinco DX-70 keeps the mike connector on the chassis, too. Mine is mounted under the driver's seat with the mike cable coming out from under the seat and up the side between the seat and the center console of my Windstar. The mike hanger is on the left front edge of the console. In my previous Windstar, without a center console, the mike hanger was on the side of the driver's seat.

73,

Lon - W3LK
Naugatuck, Connecticut
 
Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by DAVIDVD59 on October 18, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the story, I enjoyed it, and can relate to it!
 
RE: Real Men Don't Need Instructions  
by DG3MFV on October 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Arlie,
are u shure the firware-update is done ;-)

vy 73 de DG3MFV Wolfgang
 
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