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Rebuilding Your Own Battery Packs
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South Hills Amateur Radio Club, Inc. (KS3R)
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November 14, 2007
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Rebuilding You Own Battery Packs By Jim - KA3EBX
A few years back, I bought a used Yaesu FT-727 dual-band HT. The HT was in great shape, and the original FNB-4A battery packs still worked rather well. I really made out on the deal, since it also included a vox headset, wall charger, and rapid desk charger.
I really loved that desk charger. I could drop one of my spare packs into it, and in just an hour, it was fully charged. It wasn't long before I realized the aftermath of what my shiny new desk charger had done to my battery packs. To put it mildly...it killed them! I should have used the wall charger. Sure, it would have taken 14 hours to charge a battery, but at least I would have extended their life.
Well, to make a long story short, I browsed through several popular Ham Radio catalogs, and found that it would have cost around $60.00 to replace my FNB-4A battery pack. What made matters worse was that I needed two of them. Very depressed, I put my handheld up on the shelf, and there it remained for the next 3 years.
Later, a friend of mine told me about how he sent his battery packs to a lady in California who rebuilt them with nickel metal hydride cells. Having raised my curiosity, I asked him for her number. It was pretty late at night, when I jotted down the number, so the next day when I got to work, just for the heck of it, I did a search for her company on the world wide web: The NiCad Lady, http://nicdlady.com.
Here I found all kind of information (including pricing) on all of the types of battery packs she rebuilds. She also sells just the inserts (internally assembled battery cells) which you can install yourself, if you feel brave enough.
I decided to repair the packs myself, so I called and ordered just the inserts. The inserts cost $40.00, so I ordered two of them. My old FNB-4A packs were rated at 12VDC @ 500 mAh. The new ones would be rated at 12VDC @1.0Ah, twice the capacity!
It took about 5 days for the inserts to arrive. They looked almost identical to the old ones. They were already pre-assembled. All I had to do was remove the old ones, and solder in the new ones. It's a pretty easy task but here's some tips you might find helpful if you decide to do it yourself.
Although this article pertains to Yaesu's FNB-4A battery packs, many of the following tips should also apply when rebuilding another brand of battery pack.
1. On the top of the FNB-4A battery pack, there is a decal which has been applied over the seam between both halves of the battery pack. Cut the decal with an exacto knife, right along the seam. Don't remove it! It shows which probe is positive (+) and negative (-).
2. Using a very small flat blade screwdriver, carefully pry apart the two halves of the battery case. It should only be tacked together in a few places with glue. Once the halves are apart, lay them side by side. Be careful not to move them around too much, so that you don't break the wire leads.
3. Using a slightly larger flat blade screwdriver, gently pry the battery pack from the case. You will find that they have been glued to one of the halves of the battery case. The glue is pliable, but take care not crack the case.
4. Once the batteries are loose, unsolder the red (positive) wire, and black (negative) wire from the old batteries. You'll notice that there is also a white wire attached. Unsolder this wire at the bottom of the case. This wire tells the rapid charger which battery it is, so that the charger will apply the correct voltage & current. Since we will no longer be using the rapid charger, we won't need this wire. FYI: The temperature sensor will shut off the charging voltage/current to the battery if it detects overheating in the cells.
5. Remove the old batteries, and install the new batteries, orienting them identically to the way the old ones were installed. Solder the red and black wires to the batteries. You'll notice I didn't attempt to glue the new batteries to the case. This is to make it easier to replace the batteries in the future. If you can find some packing material (plastic peanuts are great), and wedge pieces of the material between the sides of the batteries and the case. You might also wish to lay a flat piece of material on top of the batteries before attaching the remaining side of the battery cover. Using some plastic model cement, apply a small amount of glue (not a lot, we want to be able to take them apart in the future) along the groove of the case, where the two halves will mesh. Close both halves together, and wrap a rubber band around the case.
6. Plug the wall charger into the bottom of the battery pack. Using a voltmeter, place both leads on the top terminals of the battery (the ones which connect to the HT). You should see the battery voltage slowly rise toward +12VDC. Don't be surprised if it reaches around +14VDC. This is normal. Let the battery charge overnight, and by that time the glue will have cured. Unplug the charger, and slide the pack onto the HT. Using the BATT function, the LCD readout should indicate 12.5V. Remove the pack, and continue charging for the recommended time specified by the battery manufacturer.
Rebuilding your own battery packs is fun, easy & considerably less expensive than purchasing new ones or having them rebuilt for you. They should give you years of trouble-free service. I have received quite a number of emails from fellow hams who have rebuilt their battery packs using this procedure and who have told me they have been extremely pleased with the new performance. Should you have any further questions regarding this article, please feel free to contact me by email at KA3EBX@sharc.net. Additional information is available on our club's web site, SHARC-NET, at http://www.sharc.net.
NOTE: A word of caution about charging nickel metal hydride batteries: It is strongly recommended that you use a slow method of charging, generally 10% of rated capacity of the cell (ie: a 1200mAh cell should have a charger output of 120mAh), unless you have a "conditioner charger system". Also, due to the increased capacity of the cells, you will have to charge your packs for a longer length of time.
To calculate the appropriate charge time for your battery, use the following equations:
Slow Charge: (cell capacity in mAh/Charger output in mAh) x1.4 Fast Charge: (cell capacity in mAh/Charger output in mAh) x1.5
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by MICH181189 on November 14, 2007
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hmm, why not go one stage futher and buy some cells and craft them into a pack? probably even cheaper...
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by KB1OCC on November 14, 2007
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That's what I did for my Alinco DJ-180. I ordered 10 2000 Mah NiMH "AA" sized cells w/tabs and soldered them together in a similar fashion to the old 700 Mah Nicads. In the middle of the pack I put a thermostat to break the circuit if the pack got too warm. I probably spent about $30 - $35 on the setup and got a pack that had almost 3 times the capacity of the original.
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by WB5CTQ on November 14, 2007
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I'm not an expert, but manufacturer's notes I've read note that slow-charging NiMH cells is more likely to damage them than proper fast-charging, because they are less resistant to ovvercharge. These comments apply to individual cells and not batteries of cells, however. For what it's worth.
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by WA8MEA on November 14, 2007
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I've been rebuilding my own battery packs for my amateur gear for years. It’s just a whole lot cheaper.
I've even carried the process over to other household electronic items, such as cordless phones and radio controlled cars, planes and boats.
Now I'm embarking on the greatest rebuilding adventure of all: an 18 volt cordless drill pack. I've opened the case and have accessed the battery cells. But the size is quite unusual. I will have to do a little online research to see what I need to come up with.
73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
tinytenna@hotmail.com
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by W4VR on November 14, 2007
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It's amazing what some people will do to save a lousy 20 bucks.
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by W6TH on November 14, 2007
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It's amazing what some people will do to save a lousy 20 bucks.
Is this 20 bucks US or Saudi arabia bucks?
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by WA1RNE on November 14, 2007
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"NOTE: A word of caution about charging nickel metal hydride batteries: It is strongly recommended that you use a slow method of charging, generally 10% of rated capacity of the cell (ie: a 1200mAh cell should have a charger output of 120mAh), unless you have a "conditioner charger system". Also, due to the increased capacity of the cells, you will have to charge your packs for a longer length of time."
To calculate the appropriate charge time for your battery, use the following equations:
Slow Charge: (cell capacity in mAh/Charger output in mAh) x1.4
Fast Charge: (cell capacity in mAh/Charger output in mAh) x1.5
>> For ** Nickel Cadmium batteries, an unsupervised charging system, a charge rate of C/10 for NiMH is appropriate but it should be on a timer, with about 14 hours being the norm.
Charging at faster rates gets more complicated - that is, unless you want to chance venting the batteries. Faster rates require a means of insuring the cell is discharged before the charge timer starts, monitoring of cell temperature, cell voltage and charging current.
The equation for a slow charge is correct, but the Fast Charge equation doesn't make sense.
For Nickel Metal Hydride batteries, an unmonitored source is not a good a charging scheme. NiMH batteries are usually charged with a constant current source at much higher rates and good chargers ALWAYS have a precise means of setting charge current, monitoring of cell temperature and or voltage and have a means of insuring the battery is below at least 60% of charge before a charging cycle starts. Theres lots of engineering literature on the web that shows you how to charge these batteries properly.
Bottom line, if you want to get the highest possible service life from a battery, the right charger is a must. The wall warts that come with many radios are cheapies that work OK with inexpensive NiCads, but even NiCads will suffer over time. You get what you pay for.....
...WA1RNE
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by N8BOA on November 14, 2007
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Have you herd of "Utra-Capacitors" These are on the way to the market soon and they have the storage of a battery but charge instantly (nearly). If these things pan out it will make the fuel cell obsolete. These things are said to charge in 10 mins with a range of 300 miles in a Electric Car. Must be at a pretty high voltage or lots of current to get that much power loaded in ten minutes anyway back to the subject at hand these might make a nice radio battery with the instant charge
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by K1DA on November 14, 2007
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Where I came from a guy who figures out how to save 20 bucks and end up with a finished product better than the original - and tells his buddies- is
complemented, not insulted. Of course the time spent doing this could also be devoted to gaping at a TV screen, watching highly paid men play a boy's game.
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by AC7ZL on November 14, 2007
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Speaking of ultra-capacitors and fuel cells, you might be interested in an article that I wrote recently concerning the "wearable power" contest sponsored by the Department of Defense.
I submitted the article to eHam...who knows when if ever it will be posted here, (the articles manager isn't answering emails.) You can read it here, however:
http://www.hpfriedrichs.com/rr-dodpower.htm
Ultra caps are no threat to fuel cells. They may well replace rechargeable batteries, however.
73
Pete
AC7ZL
N8BOA said:
>Have you herd of "Utra-Capacitors" These are on the way
>to the market soon and they have the storage of a >battery but charge instantly (nearly). If these things
> pan out it will make the fuel cell obsolete. These >things are said to charge in 10 mins with a range of 300
>miles in a Electric Car. Must be at a pretty high >voltage or lots of current to get that much power
>loaded in ten minutes anyway back to the subject at hand
>these might make a nice radio battery with the instant
>charge
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by KC2CBA on November 14, 2007
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The $20.00 savings is not the point of articles like this. It's the fun, enjoyment and satisfaction of doing your own repairs, mods and upgrades that count here. We have begun( I suspect a long ago) to become a nation that has lost its ability to fix things, to challenge ourselves mechanically and find satisfaction that we can do things for ourselves. I even find this happening with my fellow tradesman ( I'm an electrician )who throw away power tools that could be easily repaired , who replace prematurely components that could be reworked and at the times condemn entire "systems" and request to buy new ones because it's too much effort to dig in and fix them.
By the way Ron if you have an extra $20 please send it to me as gas in NYC is back up to $3.25 a gallon.
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by W6TH on November 14, 2007
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It's amazing what some people will do to save a lousy 20 bucks.
Is this 20 bucks US or Saudi arabia bucks?
What the punch point of this was to explain that for $4.00 American the Sauidi's would equal just 25 cents. Meaning that the 25 cents Saudi buys what the American will pay $4.00. Again Saudi 25 cents = $4.00 American.
This is what is called inflation, right? Right!
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by TOYBOX on November 15, 2007
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No, it's amazing what some people will do to wreck an article thread.
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by W4LGH on November 15, 2007
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"No, it's amazing what some people will do to wreck an article thread."
There is always at least one out there...and most of us already know who they are, or at least their call signs. I say they have a "Mr Wilson" complex. remember Dennis the Mennis! Gee Mr Wilson, whay are you always so grumpy?
73 de W4LGH - Alan
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by W6TH on November 15, 2007
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Flattery will get you know where Alan. I fully understand your thoughts with the vanity call you acquired Alan.
W4LGH - Alan Vanity call, ham radio the easy way.
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by KE7AKS on November 15, 2007
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T H A N K S ! This is exactly the type of article I have hoped to see more of. That is how my money gets away from me, = twenty dollars here - twenty dollars there, and so it goes.
I like articles that show simple solutions for making your own things to solve the many problems of the hobby. I dont care if the article is a re-run of an old article. We newbies to the hobby like the good stuff, no matter how old it is.
Thanks,
KE7AKS Harv
MORE MORE PLEASE...
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by KE7IPY on November 15, 2007
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[quote]What the punch point of this was to explain that for $4.00 American the Sauidi's would equal just 25 cents. Meaning that the 25 cents Saudi buys what the American will pay $4.00. Again Saudi 25 cents = $4.00 American.
This is what is called inflation, right? Right! [/quote]
Actually, you've got it backwards. 4 Saudi Arabian Riyals = $1 US.
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by W6TH on November 15, 2007
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Did you know that a troll brings money into eham.
Did you know that every advertisement you click on brings money to eham. Click and support eham.
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by KB1LKR on November 15, 2007
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"hmm, why not go one stage futher and buy some cells and craft them into a pack? probably even cheaper..."
But if you don't have (or have access to) an impulse spot welder (they're a nice tool, but expensive) it's tough to weld the tabs to the adjacent cells.
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by W4VR on November 15, 2007
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KC2CBA wrote: "The $20.00 savings is not the point of articles like this. It's the fun, enjoyment and satisfaction of doing your own repairs, mods and upgrades that count here. We have begun( I suspect a long ago) to become a nation that has lost its ability to fix things, to challenge ourselves mechanically and find satisfaction that we can do things for ourselves. I even find this happening with my fellow tradesman ( I'm an electrician )who throw away power tools that could be easily repaired , who replace prematurely components that could be reworked and at the times condemn entire "systems" and request to buy new ones because it's too much effort to dig in and fix them."
Oh I know, I was only kidding about that...it's all well and good to do your own building, repairing, etc., even if you spend more money than buying a brand new one. I remember trying to fix a Heil HC-5 once and before I got it to work I spent $60 on 2 additional elements...this was a project that I never should have tackled and should have purchased the microphone already assembled...back then Bob Heil used to sell the elements and you had to solder the wires to those cat-whisker terminals...using too much heat would burn the cat-whiskers and trash the element. We've all had experiences trying to save money by doing a repair job only to end up in disaster and going out and buying a new one.
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by W6TH on November 15, 2007
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Actually, you've got it backwards. 4 Saudi Arabian Riyals = $1 US.
I was kidding also. I was amazed that some one actually looked it up, one and only. Amazing.
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by W4VR on November 15, 2007
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Here is the straight poop from XE.com with regard to Saudi Arabian currency vs. US currency.
1 USD = 3.73490 SAR
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by WA2JJH on November 16, 2007
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1 buck from the good ol USA is 30 Thailand Baht. One can buy a NYC $8.00 US pack of smokes for 50 cents in Thailand.
Radio Shack is a Battery recycle drop off for ALL batts. I made friends with an RS manager. Many of the disposd batts are plenty good.
I have been using the lithium ion/polymer packs found in discarded laptop PC's Many of them just need to be put through a batt reconditioner.
I get an average of 300 charge/use cycles. Carefull not to short these suckers. They have a very high ampere-hour to volume ratio. Make sure you have a thermister-heat cut off circiut in charger and batt pack.
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by KC0NPF on November 16, 2007
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Careful with those Li-ion ones.. turning an HT into a grenade might be really exciting :-D
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