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Crazy HAM on a Bike!

from N4ZOU on November 10, 2007
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Crazy HAM on a bike!

I'm a HAM radio operator and now that I'm retired I've been able to devote a lot of time to a sport I thoroughly enjoy, that sport being cycling. I commuted to work on a bicycle for many years and enjoyed getting out with other cyclists riding back roads or Rail Trails for upwards of 60 miles or so. About twice a year I would do a Century on an organized and supported ride. A Century in bicycling terms is cycling a route totaling 100 miles. With the time I have available now I can actually get out and bicycle tour. This consists of packing camping equipment on a bicycle specifically designed for riding hundreds of miles loaded with camping equipment that would destroy a "normal" bicycle in short order. Here is a site dedicated to bicycle touring.

I've done a few tours now and found I really wanted to take a QRP transceiver with me. The only problem was the power required to operate the equipment. Unlike your car or truck with its battery a bicycle does not require a battery. Even in countries like Germany where bicycles are required to have lights for road use no battery is required. A dynamo driven from the tire generates power to run the lights. Here is the dynamo I use.

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When I tour I camp as well so there is no place to plug in a battery charger. Staying a single night in a motel would allow me to charge my batteries but the cost of that room could feed me for an entire week on the tour. I don't want to credit card tour as some cycling tourists do. I might as well have the wife following me around in an RV if I did that. That's not "real" self supported bicycle touring. That's where "Crazy HAM on a bike" comes from! Hams think I'm crazy for riding a bike for miles on end and cyclists think I'm crazy to haul a radio and charge the batteries with a dynamo with its additional drag, in the daylight, while cycling!

How a bicycle dynamo works.

A standard bicycle Dynamo will supply 500mA of current when driven at its rated speed or faster. It uses a magnet rotating in a coil of wire so there is no voltage or current regulation. It's a constant current device. You get 500mA of current no matter what you have connected to it. If you connect a light to the dynamo that only draws 250mA the bulb will quickly burn out. If the bulb draws more than 500mA the voltage produced will be lower than 6-volts so the bulb will be dim. The dynamo is designed to produce power for a bulbs requiring exactly 6-volts AC with a current of 500mA or 3-watts.

In the 1950's Germany required all bicycles used on roads to be fitted with lights. They determined 3-watts was acceptable and 6-volts was the common voltage used on vehicles at the time. Other countries adopted the same standards. Here we are 50 years later with the same standards with almost all bicycle dynamo driven lighting systems using the same standard worldwide.

Charging batteries with a bicycle dynamo.

It's easy! Much easier than you would think possible considering the limitations of a bicycle dynamo with its alternating current and unregulated voltage output. All that's required is a simple bridge rectifier consisting of 4 1N5818 diodes. I included a 470mF capacitor in the circuit as well. It's not required as the batteries will smooth the ripple produced by the AC to DC conversion but I wanted to be able to power My LED headlight and taillight on the bicycle if my batteries were damaged or lost and I had to ride after dark or through a tunnel. Not only may I recharge the batteries for the QRP transceiver other devices like a GPS unit or a Cell Phone may be recharged as well. Here is the circuit I currently use.

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The battery pack actually consists of 3 parallel-connected packs of 4 series connected Ni-MH batteries wired for a circuit voltage of 4.8 VDC. This voltage meets the standards set for USB ports on computers. When the batteries are removed from the bicycle and the 3 battery packs are connected in series 14.4 volts is available for the QRP transceiver. While I am pedaling along with S1 open and S2 closed the dynamo is recharging the batteries at the maximum suggested rapid rate of 500mA. So what about voltage regulation? The batteries are automatically doing that as well! As the voltage produced by the dynamo approaches the rated voltage for the batteries they start to impose high impedance load on the dynamo consequently preventing excess voltage. I've recharged as few as 2 Ni-MH batteries with the voltage regulated at 2.9 VDC, perfect for Ni-MH batteries. 9.6-volt R/C battery packs are the highest voltage I've been able to obtain from my 6-volt rated dynamo for recharging purposes. I selected 4.8 volts for several reasons. The QRP transceiver operates just fine at 14.4 volts with the 3 series connected 4.8-volt battery packs as does other radio equipment designed for 13.8-volt automotive systems. 4.8-volts is correct for operating and recharging electronics, which plug into a USB port. This includes Cell Phones and GPS units. My headlight and taillight also operate from the dynamo and batteries. Very little resistance is required to drop 4.8-volts to 3.6-volts for the 350mA Headlight LED and 1.9-volts for the 36mA taillight LED increasing the efficiency of both. There also much brighter than standard filament bulbs and don't burn out so you never need to carry extra bulbs. Here I am with my touring bike.

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I did not include information about my QRP equipment or QRP operating as this article is really about charging batteries for the equipment I use. Articles about operating QRP abound here and on other sites.

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Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by VK2GWK on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Love bike riding! So congratulations on the initiative. One day you should visit the Netherlands - especially on Whitsun when they organise the Eleven City Tour in Friesland (230 km = approx 150 miles - one day tour). Done that one twice.... BTW you can do the same tour in winter (when enough ice) on skates :)

Just one question: why the switch S2? When your batteries are full you just pull the dynamo in the "off" position (= off the wheel). Less effort cycling and just as effective as a switch.....
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W6WBJ on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
It's nice to meet another amateur who rides a bike, Scott. My preference, however, is to ride a nice, light road bike and not take a generator or any ham equipment along. Incidentally, you don't need a sag hag to do credit card touring. Even so, almost all of the rides that I do are loops starting at my QTH.

I hope you won't think I'm being too critical, but I think you have a misconception about Ohm's Law and current draw:

"You get 500mA of current no matter what you have connected to it. If you connect a light to the dynamo that only draws 250mA the bulb will quickly burn out."

This is incorrect. Under Ohm's Law, the amount of current drawn by the bulb depends solely on the resistance of its filament and the amount of voltage produced by your generator. Since, for our purposes, we can assume that the filament maintains constant resistance, if your bulbs are burning out it must be caused by the generator producing higher voltage at faster speeds. Higher voltage from the generator is the only thing that can cause the bulb to draw more current. If the voltage delivered by the generator peaked at 6 volts, the bulb wouldn't draw increasing current even if excess current were available from the generator.

I hope you don't think I've been too nit-picky. Keep getting in those miles!
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by TOYBOX on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Enjoyed reading your article, Scott. Ditto for the above comments too.

Craig
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by KD5SFK on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Scott,

My only question....Why do you call yourself "crazy" guy on a bike? Seems to me you're a "smart" guy on a bike. Congratulations, safe biking, and gud dx.

KD5SFK
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by K0BG on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
There is a similar generator which is part of the front wheel hub. Since the output is AC, you could voltage double the output if needed. In any case, it is inginuity at its finest.

ALan, K0BG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by WA2JJH on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Simply GREAT! Yor not crazy. You are whats known as an "Original Thinker"

Good to see a tech artical agn.

Hope to work you on the air. BTW...Do you sign as a mobile?

73
 
Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W4SK on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I like it! Good for you.

-73-

W4SK
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N4ZOU on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
VK2GWK
Just one question: why the switch S2? When your batteries are full you just pull the dynamo in the "off" position (= off the wheel). Less effort cycling and just as effective as a switch.....

Nothing is perfect including diodes. If you don’t open S2 when you park the bike with the batteries still connected the batteries will slowly discharge through them. When you're using a hub dynamo (common in Europe but rare in the USA) you need S2 so you can electrically disconnect it reducing drag to almost nothing.

W6WBJ
I hope you won't think I'm being too critical, but I think you have a misconception about Ohm's Law and current draw:

You wound be correct in most instances except when it comes to how a bicycle dynamo works. These things will "push" 500mA of current through the circuit with only voltage being variable. Adding batteries in the circuit gives any excess current produced by the dynamo some place to go as recharging current. My two LED's do not draw exactly 500mA of current. I must disengage the dynamo for about 15 minutes of every hour when my speed is above 8 MPH to prevent overcharging the batteries.

K0BG
Since the output is AC, you could voltage double the output if needed.

But you half the current output of the circuit. In Europe where bicycles are used for transportation LED lights are starting to show up and use voltage doublers in the control circuits. When you're below 5 MPH the circuit is working as a voltage doubler so the Headlight LED is very bright for such a low speed. After you reach 8 MPH the circuit switches off the doubler so voltage is reduced and current is 500mA. Europeans don't like batteries on there bicycles for some reason.
You might find these dynamo circuits interesting.
http://www.pilom.com/BicycleElectronics/DynamoCircuits.htm

WA2JJH
BTW...Do you sign as a mobile?

No, just /QRP. It's hard enough at times just to get my call and QTH across. I try to keep my stuff at a minimum including the antenna. When I am on tour I'm hauling around 40 extra pounds of self-supporting stuff not including the rig and antenna.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W6WBJ on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"You wound be correct in most instances except when it comes to how a bicycle dynamo works. These things will "push" 500mA of current through the circuit with only voltage being variable."

No, it is the increased voltage that "pushes" the additional current through the filament. There is nothing magical about a generator's output. A given resistance will only draw a certain amount of current at a fixed voltage, regardless of the type of source.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W6WBJ on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"Very little resistance is required to drop 4.8-volts to 3.6-volts for the 350mA Headlight LED and 1.9-volts for the 36mA taillight LED increasing the efficiency of both."

You haven't gained any efficiency. The voltage dropping resistor dissipates heat, which represents the energy you lost.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W6WBJ on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Excuuuuse me, Scott, but you're an Extra-class licensee and you don't understand the elementary application of Ohm's law?

"This consists of packing camping equipment on a bicycle specifically designed for riding hundreds of miles loaded with camping equipment that would destroy a "normal" bicycle in short order."

No, this is absolutely incorrect. Lightweight road bikes are some of the strongest frames made because they are constructed of superior materials. Neither are racing wheels a limiting factor. If they were, professional racers couldn't use them. Professional racing is the most stressful use of a bicycle, and there is a reason why racers use the frames and equipment they do. I have gone touring many times on a heavily-laden Columbus SLX-tubed racing bike with no problems, but I don't really enjoy it. Carrying all that weight, in both your heavy frame, panniers and ham equipment, takes all the fun out of cycling for me.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by LNXAUTHOR on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
- tks for the article! i love operating qrp from my bike... with an MP-1 and counterpoise clamped to the rear rack of my aluminum-framed bike, i have made many contacts into the Caribbean and w/stateside ops... lots of fun!

- one thing i did for the MP-1 though was to go to the local home-improvement store, and buy, then thread a two-foot section of aluminum rod to replace the stock short piece included w/the antenna... seems to help a little...
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W6WBJ on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
BTW, Scott, the nose of your saddle is pointing up 'WAY too far! You need to have your riding position set up by a good bike shop.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N3OX on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"BTW, Scott, the nose of your saddle is pointing up 'WAY too far! You need to have your riding position set up by a good bike shop."

Ha! Always gotta be something to gripe about on eHam ;-)

Cool article. This is the kind of thing I like to see here.

I don't tour on a bike but I do a light duty commute on trails around here... haven't put a ham radio on it yet though. I kinda want to put a QRP HF CW rig on the handlebars and a small magnetic loop on the rack on the back of the bike and do a little 30m CW on the way to work or something ;-) I don't *really* need a charger to do that but it would be a nice touch.

73,
Dan
 
Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N2RRA on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Great Article!

I'm willing to try this next summer. This is a perfect example of articles that should out here on the forum.

Good Job!
73!
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W7ETA on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Great prose.
Nice pix.
Thanks.
73
Bob

PS: Almost forgot. By my calculations, you took the pixs 33 minutes to soon for maximum clarity and max color rendition. :-)
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N6AJR on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
have you thought of adding a small solar panel to keep the batteries up all the time wheather you are rif=deing or not.. this one puts out about 175 mills..


http://www.4lots.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=155
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W6TH on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
.
Crazy HAM on a Bike, you should install the dynamo on the rear wheel and then you could use a full stand and pedal the bike while in a stopped position, also operate your radio.

.:
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W4LGH on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
And they say, people can talk on a cellphone and drive a car!

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by KG6WLS on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the article, Scott. It's always good to read technical / homebrew things like this here on eHam forums. I think the small solar panel idea would be a neat trick.

I'm curious what QRP rig and antenna you are using with the setup, what you've logged while bicycle mobile, and where does the Vibroplex mount? hi hi.

73
Mike
 
Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W4CBL on November 10, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Typical.....

FINALLY, someone writes a great article about hamming in an unconventional manner, and all some can do is harp about nit-picky details; such as the exact application of Ohm's Law or what bicycle is designed to tour better.

For God's sake!

Scott, you are to be commended for your innovative approach to a unique operating position. Best of luck to you in BOTH of your fine hobbies.

Chris, W4CBL
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by ONAIR on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Bravo. This type of set up could be used to generate power for communications if the grid goes down. It might even be applied to a stationary bike to generate power for emergency communications!
 
Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by VE9VIC on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
GREAT ARTICLE AND AS KD5SFK SAID SMART GUY
BUT WHEN IT COME TO TWO WHEELS I WILL KEEP
MY GOLDWING ,73 RINO
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by WA2JJH on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I am sure you could mount many generators on the wheels. I am sure one could mount many solar panels too. He could even use bio-fuel cells

PROBLEM..WIND DRAG. Plus remember generators under load need more RPM. It would feel like going up a hill all the time. His bike would be unstable with all the add-ons.

He has 40lbs to deal with. REMEMBER SAFETY FIRST!
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W6WBJ on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
To W4CBL: The man made a number of incorrect statements, not only about Ohm's Law, but about cycling in general.

Now you might think that my criticism of his saddle adjustment is nit-picky, but let me assure you that it is not. This is one of the most important adjustments in setting up a bicycle because your saddle position determines your pedaling efficiency. One of the most elementary rules of bike adjustment is that you should NEVER have the nose of your saddle pointing up. It should be either level, or pointing down the slightest bit. This was a dead giveaway that he knows very little about cycling. He also made other incorrect statements about cycling, such as that you need a sag wagon to go credit card touring, and that touring bicycles are stronger than racing bicycles.

The large number of mis-statements in the article, together with Scott's unwillingness to be corrected, and his insistence on re-stating his nonsensical electrical theories (such as that current from a dynamo will "push itself" more than current from other sources when, and especially as an Amateur Extra licensee, he should know that is electrical potential, or voltage, which "pushes" the current), even after a good-faith correction was offered, made me conclude that the man really doesn't know what he is talking about and doesn't want to learn, so readers of this thread need to be warned about this because otherwise they might actually follow his example, to their detriment.

So my criticisms weren't trivial at all. If you write an article, you should know what the hell you're talking about. I don't think that's asking too much, and when you don't know what you're talking about, refuse to accept correction and insist on re-stating your wrong views, somebody needs to point it out.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W7ETA on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
It might be that your expectation of every author writing perfect articles for eHam will never be met on eHam, or for that matter, most other places "publishing" articles.

I seem to remember that, in general, articles are submitted, reviewed by either an editor or peers, and either published or sent back to the author with "suggests" to be made before the article will be published.

Bob
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W4VR on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Holy shoot, what will they think of next! Been chatting with W5SAN bicycle mobile on 17 meters. He uses an FT-817 and hamstick with a small deep-cycle gel cell battery which he claims will last several hours before recharging becomes necessary. All he's got on his bike is the radio on the handle-bars and the small battery behind his seat. Neat operation and always 59 in Maine.
 
Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N4RLL on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Scott --

Great article and an excellent way to operate QRP. Bear in mind that those who support your article include some of the well respected technical authors; those who gripe have contributed nothing useful at all.

73,

-- Jason N6EY
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N4ZOU on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
OK; I'm going to try this one more time and it'll be the last about Ohms law and the bicycle dynamo. Your all thinking DC but a bicycle dynamo is making AC current. That AC alternator is using a magnet to produce flux for the coil of wire. This makes a bicycle dynamo a constant current device. Here is the link to all the formulas and why it's working the way it does.

http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/cycling/dynamo_limiter.html

When I purchased my first dynamo lighting kit for my bicycle I had the same mistaken thoughts as others here about how it worked. After I burned out the .6-watt taillight bulb (due to vibration) I didn't think much of it and continued using the headlight. The 2.4-watt headlight bulb could not stand the extra .6-watts being forced across its filament so it burned out a few minutes later. I tried a 6.3-volt 250mA bulb from Radio Shack and it burned out even faster than the 2.4-watt bulb! That is when I started asking questions on bikeforums.net where Sheldon Brown (The God Father of cycling in the USA) told me where I was going wrong and why and sent me to the link above. That’s when I stopped thinking in DC and started thinking in AC.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N4ZOU on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W6WBJ
BTW, Scott, the nose of your saddle is pointing up 'WAY too far! You need to have your riding position set up by a good bike shop.

No it's not. The seat post and saddle are matched and not adjustable. A bike shop could not adjust it even it they wanted to. It's a Serfas Deep grove design model RX. The set is specially designed for Touring and Hybrid geometry frames. I have over 4,000 miles sitting on that saddle and have never had any problems due to the design or angle of the seat.
http://velovita.com.au/cycling/docs/serfas.pdf

Page 11 bottom left
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N4ZOU on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
N6AJR
have you thought of adding a small solar panel to keep the batteries up all the time wheather you are rif=deing or not.. this one puts out about 175 mills..

Yes I tried that. It sort of works but as you take curves in the road it needs to be readjusted and moved around the bike to pick up the sun and output is greatly reduced when in the shade. I found it to be more harassment than help. 500mA from the dynamo gets the job done quite nicely and the drag from modern dynamos is nothing like the old ones. I don’t even notice the slight additional drag when it's engaged with the tire after a few minutes.

http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r154/n4zou/?action=view&current=Hpim0306.jpg
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by AC7NA on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry to have to agree w/ your harshest critic. I don't know squat about touring bikes, but I'm pretty confident as to how Ohm's Law applies here.

The link you provided to explain all this is hosed up too (Just 'cause it's posted on the internet does not make it true). The article implies that AC generators are "constant current" sources, somehow different that a DC generator. This is patently false as the physics to cause EMF is the same in either case, and is proportional to the speed of rotation and the field flux (which is constant in a permanent magnet generator like the bike generator being referred to here). Therefore the voltage is solely dependent upon the speed of rotation.

It is the speed variation (particularly high speed) and accompanying higher output voltage that causes the lamps to burn out prematurely. The use of zener diodes across the load will maintain a constant voltage to the load (lamps), but rely on properly sized dropping resistors to drop the excess voltage and dissipate heat as a result.

Voltage is the "pump," and the only thing that limits current is the component resistances...there is no constant current generator in this case.

Brian AC7NA
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by AC7NA on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Your battery charging theory needs review too...

"Pushing" current is like pushing a chain.

The system illustrated here works, but not for the reasons stated, and that's what concerns me.

I usually don't comment on minor discrepancies found in eHam articles, becuase I realize there is no technical review before it';s published, but I am bothered when I increasingly see gross conceptual errors being propagated to more inexperienced hams by an Extra class licensee.

FWIW-I had a generator set on my bike as a kid, with a charger to recharge a lantern battery in parallel...this is not new technology.

Brian AC7NA

 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N6AJR on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
my thought on the solar panel is that say you park the bike for lunch, then the panel could be charging the battery when you are not. It could even charge the battery during the week so it would be full for riding on weekends..

I use a panel on the shed to keep the riding mower battery up, as I only use it a few times a year, and I also use a small panel on my harley as I don't ride very often so a couple of hours of sun every day is enough to keeep it up.
 
Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by KA9DTZ on November 11, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I remember doing this 25 or more years ago. I got really tired of the constant variation in the output of my bicycle light. The generators are certainly not constant current. Within the limitation of either the speed at which you ride or the maximum output of the generator, the voltage produced varies with speed.

I used a resistor/diode divider to limit the maximum output to the bulb, trickle-charge my batteries (NiCad back then) and "feather" the batteries in when my speed and ,in turn, the generator output dropped below the that of the battery pack voltage. There was only a slight shift in illumination when the switch was made to the batteries. Of course, I had to choose a bulb with a voltage/current rating lower than that which would have normally been called for. I also played with the reflector to optimize the beam.

All in all, this worked very well. I never did try it with the old IC2AT but the light worked well and that's what I wanted for those late night rides. It seems this would be a good method to use for charging/running some of the lower voltage VHF/UHF HT's out there.

The only thing that concerns me about the use of NiMH cells and the circuit being used is overcharging. The old NiCads self-regulated and charged fairly well with resistive current limiting. NiMH cells don't like to be overcharged. A proper charging circuit for NiMH cells is more complex than simple resistive limiting and, in this case, there isn't even a resistor. No real problem here until you near EOC.

73, Greg
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by RI126 on November 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
My thought excactly. You have a great idea so, maybe it needs some tweaking and refining. I think people are to critical and to fast to point out the negatives but, not so quick to say good job. GOOD JOB!
Keep up the fine work and hope to work you one day. KI4MSJ
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by WMCO on November 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The best and efficient way to do this is what I have done in the past. Use a switching charge regulator for your batteries and a regular switching supply for the rest. They are small, high efficient and cope very well with the change in voltage you have riding a bike. I just adapted the regulators from a cheap charger for the batteries and the regular unit I build from components. There are many schematics out there that can be used. The
nice thing is that there is a lot less drag on the wheel using switching regulators than using resistors as there is a lot less power converted into heat. The efficiency is mostly in the 96+ % range and could be probably a lot better using modern parts and circuits. Unless you are are on the radio during cycling noise is not an issue.
I never used it to run a radio but did charge all my flashlight batteries during cycling.

J.C.

 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by N4ZOU on November 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry to have to agree w/ your harshest critic. I don't know squat about touring bikes, but I'm pretty confident as to how Ohm's Law applies here.

The link you provided to explain all this is hosed up too (Just 'cause it's posted on the internet does not make it true). The article implies that AC generators are "constant current" sources, somehow different that a DC generator. This is patently false as the physics to cause EMF is the same in either case, and is proportional to the speed of rotation and the field flux (which is constant in a permanent magnet generator like the bike generator being referred to here). Therefore the voltage is solely dependent upon the speed of rotation.

It is the speed variation (particularly high speed) and accompanying higher output voltage that causes the lamps to burn out prematurely. The use of zener diodes across the load will maintain a constant voltage to the load (lamps), but rely on properly sized dropping resistors to drop the excess voltage and dissipate heat as a result.

Voltage is the "pump," and the only thing that limits current is the component resistances...there is no constant current generator in this case.

Brian AC7NA
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You’re the one "all hosed up". How about the FAQ page from a major manufacturer of high quality Dynamos? Here is the link if you want to double check.

http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html
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My bulbs often blow. What could be the cause for this?
If one bulb fails the voltage in the dynamo increases dramatically. The whole of the available current flows to the other still working bulb often resulting in that bulb blowing within a very short period of time.
The LUMOTEC halogen headlights feature a bidirectional Z diode (for overvoltage protection). This Z diode prevents the halogen bulb of the headlight from blowing in the case of rear light failure. This facility works with both hub generators and tyre driven dynamos. (NB. Cheap headlights often do not have a Z diode.)
The situation is different if the front halogen bulb fails. The Z diode will provide temporary protection for the rear bulb. This protection will last for one to fifteen minutes depending on a number of factors including the type of dynamo used and the riding speed and duration. To avoid risk the blown bulb should be replaced immediately, otherwise the Z diode may be destroyed too. In this case all of the current will flow to the rear light and destroy it.
It is strongly recommended that the dynamo be immediately disconnected in the case of headlight failure.
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Note how the current can destroy the Z diode if the rider continues to use the dynamo with a headlight bulb blown. If your (DC) thinking was correct the Z diode would clip voltage consequently limiting current, but that’s not happening! Full current flowing through the lighting circuit is going "cook" everything in the circuit until a component opens the circuit. If current is not carefully balanced between that produced by the dynamo and the current the components are designed to be driven with. There is a reason special bulbs and components designed specifically for use in dynamo lighting systems are only found in bicycle shops and are expensive to replace.
 
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by AC7NA on November 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The reason your headlamp blows is because the generator VOLTAGE increases as a result of reduced (i.e. ZERO) current to the rear lamp...it's called I2R or line losses. That skimpy 26 ga wiring leading to the tail-light and the tiny armature windings on a compact generator present a significant voltage drop in the system (an unregulated permanent magnet alternator.)

As Ohm's Law states: If Voltage increases across a fixed resistance, current flow will increase proportionately.

AGAIN, the increased current in the headlamp is due to increased generator voltage (even your own reference states this...), not some mystical "constant current source."

In this application, there is NO difference between an AC or DC system...there is no system reactance on the load side since the loads and wiring are purely resistive. An AC generator and solid state rectifier is used because it's simpler and more compact because there are no brushes or commutator...that's it!

BTW-I've got a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.

Get a clue...

Brian AC7NA
 
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by KA9DTZ on November 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Unfortunate that this hasn't become clear yet.

I don't know if the numbers on the drawing are measured or calculated but, either way, things don't add up quite right. That's not to say this doesn't work. I'm just sure it doesn't work quite the way it is presented. This is an observation not a slam. I loved playing with this stuff years ago and am glad to see others play with it. I liked the comment on switching regulators and wish I would have had the opportunity to try that years ago.

Brian,
You are, of course, correct. We are, at least at this time, bound by certain laws. Once you get to the output side of the rectifier, the AC vs DC argument has little meaning. Although the manufacturer's site says the unit produces 3W at 6V, I suspect the unloaded or lightly loaded output may be more. At least that's been my experience with these types of generators. Utilizing the LEDs would present a slightly different problem altogether, compared to incandescent bulbs, if part of the "fixed" load were to open. LEDs are fairly unhappy when presented with an over voltage/current situation. I wonder, too, if the terminal voltage is enough to satisfy the batteries?

I believe the numbers presented must be out of the component spec. sheets. If the dynamo is capped at 6V minus the 1.1V dual diode drop, there wouldn't be enough voltage to generate the 350mA quoted... or the dynamo has a greater output capability than is stated.

Just my opinion... but I've been wrong many times before :)

73, Greg
 
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by WI7B on November 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!


Brian AC7NA,

You are correct. The author of this article needs a lesson in basic electricity. Consider just the name of a bicycle dynamo. It is an "alternating CURRENT generator", or alternator. It can in no wise be "constant current".

For an ideal current source the value of resistance should be very large but this implies that the voltage source must be very large. Thus, efficiency is low and it is usually impractical to construct a 'good' current source this way.

However, a circuit will provide adequately as a current source when the current and load resistance are small. For example, a 5V voltage source in series with 4.7Kohms will provide a "constant current" of less than 1mA to a load in the range of 50 to 500 ohms.

And as an aside, speaking anatomicaly, his bicycle seat is not adjusted properly. In that configuation, he will surely cut off to his circulation to groin.


73,

---* Ken
 
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by KB3MMX on November 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
This is the type of stuff that makes this hobby GREAT!!

--KB3MMX Chuck
 
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by WA2JJH on November 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
CUSTOMER: Waiter...Check please!!!!
WAITER:Something wrong,sir?
CUSTOMER: yeah....THERE SURE IS!! There is a beaten dead horse in my lobster bisque!!!

RREPEAL OHMS LAW NOW! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!
 
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by WI7B on November 12, 2007 Mail this to a friend!


"Brian AC7NA...
You’re the one "all hosed up". How about the FAQ page from a major manufacturer of high quality Dynamos? Here is the link if you want to double check.

http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html

--- N4ZOU"

Only if the horse would admit it's DEAD!

73,

--* Ken
 
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by WA2JJH on November 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
HEY...ATLEAST N4ZOE PUT IN THE TIME TO WRITE AN ARTICAL.

BOTTOM LINE IS HIS SET UP WORKS FOR HIM. MANY OF YOU OHMS LAW NAZIS NEVER WROTE A SINGLE ARTICAL ON E-SLAM.

YOUR TONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NICER.

DRINK STEAK! GET OFF THE COMPUTER AND GET BACK ON THE AIR.

MY BUCK 380 OF PSUEDO INTELLECTUAL TRASH!!!
 
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by WA2JJH on November 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
http://www.bumm.de/index-e.html

INTERESTING!
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by K8MHZ on November 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I routinely use an HT on my bike.

I don't use a generator / alternator to charge the batteries. I either use rechargeable NiMHs in a battery pack or non-rechargeable lithiums. The lithiums cost about 3 bucks apiece and last for months. Anyone that can afford a 4 thousand dollar bike should be able to afford a handful of lithium batteries. Lithium batteries also have over a decade of shelf life and outlast standard alkalines by a factor of 7 to 10 and so far mine have done even better. They also provide a few tenths of a volt more per cell enabling the use of a 4 pack. My set up also makes it very easy to remove the HT and use it off the bike as there are no wires to disconnect.

To each his own, but I think that the set up described is simply unnecessary over engineering. If one were to go the route of a dynamo for power why not use that power to run a 50 watt mobile rig and use a high gain antenna? (Do an RF evaluation first, of course. Being that close to the antenna will probably put you in danger of excess RF at full power.)

What I have found to be the best set up is an external speaker mike attached to a neck lanyard. This enables me to let go of the mike in an instant so I can use both hands to steer. A better set up would be a headset with a handlebar mounted PTT, but that would inhibit a quick disconnect.

Addressing the issue of 'constant current' the error of which has been pointed out in several posts, the circuit should contain some sort of voltage regulation. Zeners with a shunt circuit would be one choice and another would be an IC regulator in a TO220 package. See this link for details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_regulator

I have noticed when I state my call as 'bicycle portable' I always get a response from someone wishing to work me. One day I was using our linked repeater system and a guy a couple hundred miles away on his bike answered me and we had a great, fun QSO.

I hope that in spite of some of the harsh replies to the article the author sees the info here as a learning experience. The tests given for ham radio do NOT teach Ohm's law and it's application, they only provide a means to memorize the answers and get a license. I can tell you from my experience with ham radio and as a working electrician that it is very important to learn Ohm's law as it is the basis of ALL electrical calculations, no matter how complex. One will never understand the formulae for reactance, reluctance etc. without fully understanding Ohm's Law first. A working knowledge of trigonometry is also helpful. In my NJATC apprenticeship class we had the saying 'Oh heck, another hour of agony' pounded into our heads and I am glad the teacher did so. For those of you that don't know what I am talking about it is a way to memorize the calculations for Sine, Cosine and Tangent. Trig is needed to calculate power factor and reactive impedance and having to look up the formulae for the three basic calculations of trig can get very time consuming after a while.

73

Mark K8MHZ
 
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by WA2JJH on November 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The spec sheet claimed to have a constant voltage regulator. One must reach 10km/hour for constant voltage.

I would use thicker guage wire to minmize I SQUARED X R POWER LOSS.

The 12 volt version claims to have 70% eff..
I was impressed with the ultra low drag under load in the spec sheet. You could use 2 generators. once rectified to DC, use 3 lead voltage regulators. Radio schlock has a 1 amp variable voltage regulator. 2 resistors set the regulated voltage.

You could also put full wave rectifiers and a 10,000
microfarad filter caps for each generator. I just thought having the option of many variable regulated
voltage(2-24 V is the range of voltages for the simple chip.) could lead to the option of using many types of batteries.

2 12volt DC sources from generators connected to "stearing'' diodes (simple 3 amp, 100V diodes) to allow series connection or parallel connections for lots more voltage or currant. Then use the variable regulators for the exact voltages you need to charge any battery. The regulators can pass 1 amp from 2-24V.
Of course you need about 3-5 volts above the desired voltage for the regulator

You could charge a cheap lead/acid 12 volt batt directly. You can also use 6V motocycle batts too. even use a cheapo 100W 110V inverter for your emergencies. Did you see the movie "SOYLENT GREEN''
Use the variable voltage regulators to set the exact voltage for your sensitive bulbs.
With better batts charged at 1 amp will give you far more Ham Radio time. If weight is a problem consider the new lithium polymer batts. They can be ripped out of old laptop computer batts.

BTW...Radio shack is a battery recycle center. I have gotten tons of batts. that had plenty of life left in them. Make friends with a RS manager

Hey it is you BBQ and it tastes good! Sorry if I seemed intrusive with my idea's.
TO ALL CRITICS. THIS JUST CAME OUT OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. NO SCHEMATIC. JUST TELL ME OF MASTAKES...NO CUASTIC LAMBASTINGS I SHOULD KNOW BETTER CUASE I have 3 engineering degree's.
 
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by N6HPX on November 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I remembeer a northern california ham who used to do the same thing but his bike was slightly more modified had so much stuff on it it made others with mobiles look sick.

Neat article...
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by WA2JJH on November 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The spec sheet claimed to have a constant voltage regulator. One must reach 10km/hour for constant voltage.

I would use thicker guage wire to minmize I SQUARED X R POWER LOSS.

The 12 volt version claims to have 70% eff..
I was impressed with the ultra low drag under load in the spec sheet. You could use 2 generators. once rectified to DC, use 3 lead voltage regulators. Radio schlock has a 1 amp variable voltage regulator. 2 resistors set the regulated voltage.

You could also put full wave rectifiers and a 10,000
microfarad filter caps for each generator. I just thought having the option of many variable regulated
voltage(2-24 V is the range of voltages for the simple chip.) could lead to the option of using many types of batteries.

2 12volt DC sources from generators connected to "stearing'' diodes (simple 3 amp, 100V diodes) to allow series connection or parallel connections for lots more voltage or currant. Then use the variable regulators for the exact voltages you need to charge any battery. The regulators can pass 1 amp from 2-24V.
Of course you need about 3-5 volts above the desired voltage for the regulator

You could charge a cheap lead/acid 12 volt batt directly. You can also use 6V motocycle batts too. even use a cheapo 100W 110V inverter for your emergencies. Did you see the movie "SOYLENT GREEN''
Use the variable voltage regulators to set the exact voltage for your sensitive bulbs.
With better batts charged at 1 amp will give you far more Ham Radio time. If weight is a problem consider the new lithium polymer batts. They can be ripped out of old laptop computer batts.

BTW...Radio shack is a battery recycle center. I have gotten tons of batts. that had plenty of life left in them. Make friends with a RS manager

Hey it is you BBQ and it tastes good! Sorry if I seemed intrusive with my idea's.
TO ALL CRITICS. THIS JUST CAME OUT OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. NO SCHEMATIC. JUST TELL ME OF MASTAKES...NO CUASTIC LAMBASTINGS I SHOULD KNOW BETTER CUASE I have 3 engineering degree's.
 
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by K5YF on November 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the article Scott, I really enjoyed it. Post another article soon.

73
-Brandon
-N5JYK
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by WA2JJH on November 13, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The 3 lead regulator chips are the lm-317(1 amp) and the lm-318(5 amps). They current limit and are short circuit proof. 2 caps and 2 resistors are needed.

The ratio of R1 AND R2 determain your requlated V out. You can pump up to 36 volts in them.

73 de mike
 
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by KC9MIB on November 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Scott,
I found your article to be very interesting, and right on time.
Yesterday I was driving through Amish country (eastern Elkhart County and LaGrange County, Indiana) on my way home from Fort Wayne. There were many Amish people out riding their bicycles, as usual. I found myself wondering about operating my HT on one of the many local 2 meter repeaters the next time that I go out riding, and decided to try. I'm not a serious cyclist, but my family and I enjoy many casual rides. My thoughts then led to recharging the battery if it got low (yes, I know that I can just carry a spare), and I wondered about using one of those old, tire powered dynamos I had when I was a kid to power a radio. Then the very next day I'm browsing eham and there is an article about that very subject!
I am new to the world of ham radio. I admit, I don't understand all of the tech stuff being discussed here. But you know what? I don't really need to know exactly how everything works either.
What is important here is that Scott's rig WORKS. Furthermore, he's taken the time to show the rest of us how to build one that works too.
Oh I'm sure some of you aren't going to like what I've just written at all. This new guy just doesn't get it. The ham radio gene pool is being seriously depleated lately, huh?
Well think about this. I have been reading many, many articles lately about how the ham radio hobby just isn't growing. Despite the best efforts of everyone, relaxed guidelines for licences, and all that, we still aren't attracting new people to the hobby.
Well just take a look back at this thread about a simple, "how-to", article about powering a radio with a bicycle and then ask yourself, "Why aren't people attracted to the hobby of amateur radio?"
Scott, I may be a stupid new guy that doesn't know anything, but I enjoyed your article. It contained valuable information that I can use, and I appreciate the effort that went into it.
Dave KC9MIB
 
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by N2ZXE on November 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
I used to commute by bike, now I'm closer to work so I now walk to work. I take an HT with me to talk to the local repeater.

But I digress...

I like the bike dynamo idea, but I would extend it for other applications like using it with a windmill as a portable energy source. This is great being that cheap bike dynamos can be found around.

Great info!

 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by AA0FY on November 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Good article Scott! I love Ham Radio and biking and found Your article very interesting. Nevermind those guys, there just trying to flatten Your tires. 73
 
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by N6HPX on November 15, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Seems like a great deal and was wondering if you work any HF and how well does it do. I would love to work a station like this from my side of the world and it would make great qso for my log. I remember a guy who modified his bike and he was so low to the pavement it was like one of those low riders..very neat and he worked qrp.


 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by K8MHZ on November 16, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
"I remembeer a northern california ham who used to do the same thing but his bike was slightly more modified had so much stuff on it it made others with mobiles look sick."

Steven K. Roberts by any chance?

www.microship.com



 
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by N8IWK on November 17, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
This article brings back memories of my childhood. At one time way before I knew anything about ohms law, or amateur radio as a kid I clamped a pocket am/fm radio to my bike, put in a set of Ni-Cads and rigged up an old dynamo with an inline diode to keep the batteries charged. I may still have the parts laying around here sitting in a junk box somewhere.

Thanks for bringing back memories.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by F6IQA on November 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Hi and thank you for this article. I suppose that you insulated the dynamo body from the bike frame in order to obtain 2 terminals, otherwise you can only obtain single alternance rectifying. I have tried to look the picture with great attention but I was not ale to see the type of insulation that you used, like a bit of plastic pipe. More info on this ?
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W4MY on November 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Scott: You need to listen to Brian, glad to say it, but he is right. Current from a source (any electrical source, AC or DC) is function of the total impedence presented, period. A "constant current" source is not literaly that. Rather it is a source of EMF that will provide x amount of current WITHIN A RANGE of impedances by varying the voltage within that range. Unlike a "contant voltage" source of EMF that will provide a constant voltage by varying the current WITHIN A RANGE of impedances.

This is a conseptual aspect of E=IR that you must grasp beyond pushing the buttons on the calculator.

Remember the water analagy?

A water pump is a constant flow [current] device. It will provide a given amount of water flow [current] WITHIN A RANGE of pipe sizes [impedence]. It varies the pressure [voltage] to provide the specified flow [current] within this range.

IT CANNOT MAKE MORE WATER FLOW THROUGH A PIPE THAT WILL NOT OTHERWISE GO THROUGH IT!

Chew on this a while, and you will see. This is my one and only post as this is physics and you can't raise Newton, Kirchov, and Ampere out of the grave to argue with them!

73 Marty / W4MY
 
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by W6WBJ on November 19, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W6WBJ: "BTW, Scott, the nose of your saddle is pointing up 'WAY too far! You need to have your riding position set up by a good bike shop."

N4ZOU: "No it's not. The seat post and saddle are matched and not adjustable. A bike shop could not adjust it even it they wanted to. It's a Serfas Deep grove design model RX. The set is specially designed for Touring and Hybrid geometry frames. I have over 4,000 miles sitting on that saddle and have never had any problems due to the design or angle of the seat.
http://velovita.com.au/cycling/docs/serfas.pdf"

I downloaded that .pdf file and looked at your saddle, Scott. It is a standard two-rail design, just like any other saddle except that it has cutouts, supposedly to protect your bottom. The clamp that grabs the two rails is definitely adjustable. You simply loosen the clamp and rotate the saddle up or down. The saddle is also adjustable fore and aft by sliding it along the rails while clamped loosely. I am really shocked that you are so uninformed about bicycles that you: (1) don't even know that your saddle position is adjustable; and (2) you persist in claiming otherwise. I think we have a problem here. 73.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by WA2JJH on November 20, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
<<<< "BTW, Scott, the nose of your saddle is pointing up 'WAY too far! You need to have your riding position set up by a good bike shop." >>>>>

BOTTOM LINE...IT WORKS FOR SCOTT. HE IS ON THE AIR QRP/2 WHEEL MOBILE!

Different strokes for different folks.

Sure, he could have designed the eletrical system to be more efficient. He just may redesign his system.

It is his gig. He likes it.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by W6WBJ on November 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
WA2JJH wrote: "BOTTOM LINE...IT WORKS FOR SCOTT. HE IS ON THE AIR QRP/2 WHEEL MOBILE! Different strokes for different folks."

Wrong. This is a crutch, used by people who don't have very much knowledge about the subject matter, to justify not learning anything new. It is their way of denying that they have anything to learn.

I admit that, when you first get involved with a sport like cycling, and you have your first realization of how much you have to learn, it is tempting to get defensive like that, but it's merely a defense mechanism. People have been cycling for well over 100 years now, and during that period extensive motion studies have been performed to determine the most efficient way of sitting astride the bike and of pedaling. Some of the results of those studies are that, for the most efficient pedaling, you must have your seat adjusted correctly; that apparently minor differences in your seating position have a big effect on your pedaling efficiency; and that one of the big "NO-NOs" is to have the front of your seat pointing up. Thus, it is not just a matter of my opinion vs. Scott's, but instead an issue that has been empirically determined. Anybody who argues that his contrary opinion is just as valuable as all of the existing motion studies is simply being insecure and defensive.

Sure, Scott can continue to ride his bike this way, and it may "work for him", but the pertinent inquiry is: "HOW WELL does it work for him?" The point is, he could improve his bicycling experience immensely if he would take a little advice from seasoned veterans rather than trying to re-invent the wheel. But you know what they say about "leading horses to water".
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by RFSOAKED on November 21, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The only problem here is the old farts that won't shut up and let a guy try something new.

Great work on it the bike, your hamming and exercising at the same time. Look at it this way, all the guys complaining about ohm's law are old enough that they will be dead before you, so turn the other cheek and keep doing what you enjoy!

 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by NM0EJ on November 23, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
W6WBJ
"No, this is absolutely incorrect. Lightweight road bikes are some of the strongest frames made because they are constructed of superior materials. Neither are racing wheels a limiting factor. If they were, professional racers couldn't use them. Professional racing is the most stressful use of a bicycle, and there is a reason why racers use the frames and equipment they do. I have gone touring many times on a heavily-laden Columbus SLX-tubed racing bike with no problems, but I don't really enjoy it. Carrying all that weight, in both your heavy frame, panniers and ham equipment, takes all the fun out of cycling for me."

As a distraction to the "Ohm's Law" argument that seems to go on and on, I will address the above comment about bicycles.

Profession racing certainly is a stressful use of a bicycle, but the most stressful of any kind under any circumstance? More stressful than thousands of miles carrying heavy (70lb or more in packs) loads over varying road conditions, with riders that are have normal bodies (unlike bike racers), and without a support car full of spare parts closely following?

Racing bikes are wonderful machines, designed to be light and efficient and with a reasonable margin of safety. They are not, however, designed to carry heavy loads. In fact, most will not accept tires of a reasonable width for touring. Wider tires, for instance, are more resistant to "snake bite" flats, an advantage over thin tires for the tourist. Clearly the ability to use wide tires that can hold up to heavy loads on rough pavement is one case in which a touring bike can handle a "more demanding" type of application than a racing bike.

Consider racing wheels. It appears to be more common over time for racing wheels to have rider weight limits. For example, one manufacturer recommends limits of as low as 175 pounds for one of its carbon fiber rim, 18 spoke front/24 spoke rear wheels. I certainly would not want to ride these wheels with any significant load. Including me.

Racing bikes and touring bikes have different design purposes. Just like sports cars and trucks.

Also, Scott, N4ZOU, only stated the following: "This consists of packing camping equipment on a bicycle specifically designed for riding hundreds of miles loaded with camping equipment that would destroy a "normal" bicycle in short order."

I think for most people a "normal" bicycle is one someone buys at a discount store. I would certainly not put a load on one of those. A racing bicycle, at $1200-$10000, is anything but "normal" to most folks.

I do agree with W6WBJ on a couple things. I certainly prefer the ride and performance of a racing bike to anything heavier. Any load takes some of the fun out of riding for me. At least the way I ride today.

Also, I agree that Scott should have someone look at his bicycle seat. I guess some folks might prefer their seats at that angle, but if it not possible to adjust it to a flat position, something is wrong. A nice Brooks leather saddle would look great on that bike anyway!

Scott, thanks so much for this article, you have me thinking about how I can equip one of my bikes for ham radio! Please do not get discouraged by any feedback and keep it up!!

73
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike!  
by K1QAR on November 25, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
The situation with the dynamo is similar to one I dealt with bolting a Volksplane alternator onto a weedwacker motor. Honda makes a 1 HP 4-stroke (world's smallest) that easily converts to a 10 lb 200 Watt genset, but, like Scott's unit, it makes an AC voltage that increases with speed and decreases with load (more bulbs)

Rather than a conventional regulator that clips the excess voltage by increasing load (and drag), I've decided on a unit that disconnects the bulb a few thousand times a second, like one of those noisy dimmers, or like a golf cart throttle.

(Pictures of this unit can be seen at http://www.bulldogtrust.com/index6.htm )
 
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by K8AI on November 27, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Please folks, it's not HAM radio, it's ham radio. The word "ham" is not an acronym.
 
RE: Crazy HAM on a Bike! (may be off topic)  
by W3TTT on November 29, 2007 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, if you read about the beginnings of HAM radio, you will find that H.A.M. were the initials of three Harvard students that were experimenting with this new hobby. They even gave testimony before US Congress. The newspapers nick-named them "the poor little H.A.M. station"... this was before the government assigned call letters. You picked your own call, like in c.b. today.

Crazy HAM on a Bike!
by K8AI on November 27, 2007
Please folks, it's not HAM radio, it's ham radio. The word "ham" is not an acronym
 
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