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The Lecher Wire

Eric P. Nichols (KL7AJ) on February 12, 2008
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CHAPTER TWENTY-SEVEN

The Lecher Wire

Up to this point, we haven't devoted an entire chapter to any particular device. It is much preferable to present principles instead, which allows one to explore the practical applications at one's leisure (we would hope).

However one radio device is so simple, informative, and profound in its native state, that we feel it deserves a special place in the Opus of Amateur Radio Knowledge and Lore.

This device is called the Lecher Wire, or Lecher Line. It was the creation of a rather obscure German electrical engineer by the name of Ernst Lecher. We know a lot more about his invention than the man himself.

There are a few things we can guess about the man, however, and one of these is that, in all likelihood, poor Ernst is spinning in his grave.

The reason for this is because, if you do an Internet search on Lecher Wire, you will be inundated with all kinds of bogus, tree-hugging, posy-sniffing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, Mother-Earth-suckling-hippie buffalo snot about the Lecher Wire being some sort of New Age dousing rod.

Let us set the record straight, once and for all. Nothing in Mr. Lecher's writings even remotely suggests such an application of this fine, highly-scientific, respectable instrument. The fact that a bunch of loony-bin losers have latched onto this device and commandeered it for their own miserable existence in no way detracts from the instrument's true brilliance and simplicity.

The Lecher Wire in its basic form is nothing more than two parallel wires. Its purpose is to demonstrate electromagnetic wavelength. It does so in the simplest means imaginable, and yet, if properly interpreted, can eliminate almost all misunderstandings about transmission lines, and a great number of those associated with antennas.

For a Lecher wire to be effective, it needs to be at least a half wavelength long at the frequency of interest, though it's best if it's several wavelengths. Generally, a practical instrument consists of a six to eight foot plank with a small riser at each end, and couple of 8 or 10 gauge copper wires stretched between the risers, separated by an inch or two. You feed one end of the parallel lines with some R.F. from an oscillator or small transmitter. Most classroom setups use a frequency in the 450 Mhz range. A voltage detector, usually a germanium diode and a microammeter is slid along the line, and the voltage is noted. (The microammeter, being many times higher in resistance than anything we're measuring, is effectively a voltage detector, though if you're really persnickety, it's still a current detector). If you place the detector at the far end of the lines, you will have maximum voltage. As you slide the detector toward the generator, the detector will decrease until, at some point, it will read nothing. If you continue to slide the detector, the voltage will rise again, and then drop to another zero-voltage point. The difference between these two zero points is precisely half a wavelength. As mentioned above, if your Lecher Wire is more than a few wavelengths, you can find several more nulls in your detector voltage.

What happens if you put a short circuit at the end of the Lecher Line? Well, obviously you will have a voltage null at that end. As you slide the detector toward the generator, you will see a voltage maximum at one quarter wavelength from the end, and another null one-half wavelength from the end.

What we have demonstrated is standing waves, arguably the most unnecessarily mystified concept in all of “hamdom.”

Now, we have demonstrated what happens on a transmission line with two extremes: an open end, and a shorted end. Both of these conditions give us an INFINITE standing wave ratio, that is, at some point along the line the voltage goes to ZERO.

Now, let's put a resistor at the far end of the Lecher Wire of some value other than 0 ohms, and run the experiment again. Unless we really got lucky and grabbed just the right value of resistance, we will find that our R.F. detector changes value as we move it along the line, but we will find that the value never drops to zero. The voltage minimas will still repeat themselves at precisely half wavelength intervals, but they will be shifted relative to our open-ended, and short-ended situation. As we slide the detector along, the ratio between the maximum voltage and our minimum voltage is the standing wave ratio, VSWR.

Now, there's one factor we've not touched on yet, and that is the characteristic impedance of the Lecher Line. Let's say in the last experiment we grabbed a 1000 ohm resistor. Let's say that the minimum voltage we found along the line was 1/3 of the voltage maximum we found along the line. We know we have a standing wave ratio of 3:1. Our transmission line characteristic impedance is either 3000 ohms or 333 ohms. (A little experience tells us that the characteristic impedance is more like 333 ohms, with typical bench type Lecher Lines. If we guessed wrong, we will find out soon enough). Based on this guess, let's rummage through our parts drawer and find a 330 ohm resistor. (It's not too likely you're going to find a 333 ohm resistor). Let's replace our 1000 ohm resistor with our 330 ohm resistor. Now we run the experiment again. We find, much to our astonishment, that the detected R.F. voltage is the SAME EVERYWHERE! We have a condition known as a flat line, one with a VSWR of 1:1. And we now know that the characteristic impedance of the Lecher Line is 330 ohms. (Plus or minus a few). If we had guessed wrong, and put a 3000 ohm resistor on the end of our Lecher Line, we would have measured a VSWR of 9:1.

Now, obviously, you can't determine wavelength on a perfectly flat Lecher Line. This is one condition where a perfect 1:1 VSWR match is not a good thing. As long as the VSWR is something other than 1:1, you can find the wavelength by looking for nulls. But the lower the VSWR is, the shallower the nulls are, and therefore harder to find.

Now, my favorite Lecher Wire is one I built using a couple of half-inch copper pipes. Instead of having the ends of the lines fixed, I cut a couple of long horizontal slots in my end risers. I can slide the lines in so they can almost touch each other, or move them apart nearly a foot.

The characteristic impedance of a Lecher Line, (or any parallel transmission line) is lower when the lines are fat and close together, and high when they're skinny and far apart. My high-falutin' Lecher Wire has an adjustable characteristic impedance of between about an ohm and about 6000 ohms. I can also taper the impedance, by scooting one end close together and the other end far apart. It's an amazingly versatile tool for showing off all kinds of R.F. principles. It's such a cheap and dirty project that every ham should have one. It really takes the mystery and baloney out of transmission line theory.

Now, in addition to the Lecher Wire, we have a close companion, the Smith Chart. I hear groans of agony from even seasoned engineers when I invoke the name of Smith, and it's all so unnecessary. The Smith chart is only as complicated as you make it. Lots of Smith Charts have “bells and whistles” you'll probably never use, but the fundamental principles of the Smith Chart are not beyond the grasp of any interested ham. In fact, if you have a Lecher Wire handy, the Smith chart quickly becomes quite intuitive. If you work with transmission lines at all, you'll wonder how you ever lived without it.

The fact of the matter is, if you did the above experiments, you have already seen the bulk of what the Smith chart can show you. However, in addition, the Smith chart can predict what the transmission line will do with various complex loads, that is, loads that have both resistance and capacitance or inductance at their far ends. (You can also use the Lecher Wire and R.F. probe to analyze reactive loads, but it's a bit trickier).

We will not take valuable space here to give a tutorial on the Smith chart, as the ARRL Handbook, the ARRL Antenna book, and numerous Internet sites do a marvelous job of this. It's well worth the time to beat this wonderful chart into submission, so that it becomes a tool, not a terror.

If you are a ham for any length of time, you will sooner or later hear all kinds of unmitigated balderdash, alternatively known as “B.S.” when it comes to transmission lines. With your Lecher Wire and your Smith Chart, you can shut the mouths of the idiots forever, and astonish them in the process. Try it; you'll like it!

The Opus of Amateur Radio Knowledge and Lore 3

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The Lecher Wire  
by KB1NCP on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Thank You ! Nice post, learned something new.
Bill
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by AC5E on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Yep, one of the more interesting lab demonstrations, circa 1949. Along with the variation called the slotted line.

Lecher lines were also popular as tuned circuits in "UHF" equipment just before and after WWII as well. With a coupling loop to pick RF off they did quite well as tank circuits in push pull UHF power amplifier circuits. Tubes were cheap, and we really pushed their maximum usable frequency.

Perhaps every ham should not run out and build a Lecher line, but they would be an interesting item for ham club demonstrations. Along with an absorption wavemeter and a grid dip oscillator.

73 Pete Allen AC5E
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by K0BG on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
The only problem is, the people who really need to understand this simple concept most likely will never read past the first sentence or two.


Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
The Lecher Wire  
by DXSHORTWAVE on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
This is very legit. When I was in EE college in the mid 50s we used it in lab experiments to show SWR, line characteristics and the like. We had a simple neon bulb with leads on each side and we simply slid it along watching it go bright and dim across the nodes, while the end of the line was energized with RF.

We did it with the far end open, then shorted. Of course, we logged all the measurements to show quarter waves, half waves, etc. The article brings back good memories. Thanks!
 
The Lecher Wire  
by N2OBM on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Awsome article! Around 1980 at DeVry Tech, a demonstration of the wire led to several heated debates. An in depth study silenced the stupidity.

10-4?

73,
N2OBM/YI9OBM
 
The Lecher Wire  
by K5BZH on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Eric,

It has been years since I have seen Lecher wires, over 50 years I guess. They served as our early VHF/UHF frequency meters and are a great way to display SWR.

You have just provided me food for thought for something to carry to Field Day 2008 for some fun.

Thanks,
Jim, K5BZH
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
One of the neatest varieties of lecher wire I've seen is one made of HO gauge railroad track. The feller used a flatbed freight car with a lightbulb as the detector. You could roll the car back and forth and watch the bulb get brighter and dimmer. You could also used this with curved sections, if you wanted a really long lecher wire. :)

Of course, HO track used to be dirt cheap...it's probably like hen's teeth to get any more. HI


Eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by W6TH on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
.
Used the system for many years, but was called the slotted line and terrific for making quarter wave matching sections, etc. I am convinced the slotted line is used by many companies that manufacture antenna systems, today, for the military.

Not much use today for ham radio as most can use a simple math program using the velocity factor, this, a person can find in most older ARRL handbooks.

W6TH.

.:
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by WI7B on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

Eric,

This is great. I remember studying the ramifications of various loads on tranmission line both for the Extra and commercial licenses. This is a fine practical, and hand-on way to etch those principles into one's mind. Thanks for resurrecting the Lecher wire.

I think applying this practical method to end-fed Zepps and G5RV antenna transmissions line would in itself be highly illuminating.

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by N3OX on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"you will be inundated with all kinds of bogus, tree-hugging, posy-sniffing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, Mother-Earth-suckling-hippie buffalo snot about the Lecher Wire being some sort of New Age dousing rod."

That's my *favorite kind* of Buffalo Snot!

Sweet...

Dan
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by G3RZP on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Slotted lines? Nobody uses them now. The Vector Network Analyser has taken over, and slotted lines often appear at hamfest junk stalls. Not always very cheaply, though. VNAs give a digital readout to more digits resolution than their accuracy can provide and get believed because they're digital! Also, half the people using them don't understand what they're doing anyway these days.....
 
The Lecher Wire  
by KJ7BS on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
WOW! This was a FANTASTIC article to read and it stimulated the grey matter. Transmission lines have baffled me for years, now I think I know why. I over analyzed them.

This is going to make interesting research material. Now I have research to do.

Alan is correct, the "think they know it all" crowd will never get past the first few lines.

Mark, KJ7BS
Glendale, AZ
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KC8VWM on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

The Letcher ruler instrument is not only limited to the radio communication community. It have also been used for clinical research purposes in the medical community.

They use the letcher ariel instrument to record and measure frequency variations of organs in the human body.

The data values are documented and used for comparative analysis. This information can determine the overall health of a human organ.

Similar to dowsing rod instruments, the simple but yet brilliant Letcher ariel device can also be employed and used as a measuring tool in a wide range of other similar applications. For example it can be used to measure and determine the health and quality of various food sources.

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well......

I KNEW this thread was too good to last.

*sigh*


:)

eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by K3AN on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Wrapping a Lecher wire around your incoming water pipe will soften the water without adding unnecessary and potentially unhealthy chemicals. Hanging one on the underside of your septic tank cover will give the contents of the tank the odor of a fine French perfume. Installing a Lecher wire in the vicinity of your mailbox will reduce the amount of junk mail you get.

No matter how ridiculous the claims, some number of idiots are bound to believe them.
 
The Lecher Wire  
by W7SMJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great article, Thanks!
73,
Scott
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KC8VWM on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

I don't know about K3AN's potenial use for this device however the *positive point* I was making was in the fact that this useful but now outdated instrument of measurement (and other similar but now outdated technologies hams have used in the past) may one day actually become useful for non radio communication applications.

This is after all what hams do isn't it? They make attempts to discover useful purposes for the things they are using?

...or is this philosophy now somehow an antiquated attempt and "bad thing" to consider even discussing these days.

Gee, for a minute there I was actually thinking I was amongst other like minded experimenters in the amateur radio community.

Wow. The limited mentality of it all.

73 de Charles - KC8VWM

 
The Lecher Wire  
by WB4JZY on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great post! A good follow on would be a nice intuitive discussion of WHY one sees the voltage nulls and peaks and what the current is doing on the lecher wires.
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
JZY:

Good question. The best way to get a feel for this is using a familiar mechanical analogy...wave interference on the surface of a body of water. In fact, in a high school science class, once upon a time, we had a tank for doing just this...it had a couple of tennis balls attached to rods that would oscillate up and down, and create ripples in the water. If you had TWO sets of expanding ripples that cross each other, you will see at some points they REINFORCE each other giving you a wave of twice the height of ether original wave, and at other points they cancel, giving you calm water. (YOu can also see this effect in optics..."fringing".

Depending on the relative TIMING of the ripples, you could get different patterns of reinforcement and cancellation. In fact ALL directional antennas work by using wave interference...constructive in some directions, adn destructive in others.

Now, the Lecher Wire is a much simpler situation than ripples on a pond, because we're working with only ONE DIMENSIONAL waves, whereas radiating ripples are two dimensional.

The wave propagation along a Lecher wire, is of course, a lot faster than ripples across a bathtub, it is essentially the speed of light. A wave of energy "hitting" the end of an open Lecher wire has nowhere to go, so it is reflected back IN PHASE. At the termination point, we will have a wave peak that is exactly twice what it would be if the transmission line were terminated in a matching resistor.

In the case of a SHORTED terminal, the wave is inverted, and we have DESTRUCTIVE interference...the reflected wave is equal amplitude as the incident wave, but upside down. If these two waves are precisely equal, there will be complete cancellation.

By the way, for all practical purposes, the Lecher wire is totally lossless. Things are a bit more complicated when you include transmission line loss.

Also, there is no law that says the termination has to be at the END of the Lecher Wire. In fact, we can T off of our main "rails" at right angles at some point with another Lecher Wire, that can, in turn, be terminated, or not. The reflected wave from this secondary branch can interfere constructively or destructively with the main branch. This is the principle of "stub tuning." It can be proven that ANY combination of impedances can be matches with no more than two tuned stubs.


Hope this helps!

Eric


 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
VWM:

Perhaps an overview of the scientific method and experiementalism is in order.

A valid scientific experiment has the following characteristics:

1) Repeatability
2) Agreed upon instrumentation and methods of investigation
3) Stated conditions of the experiment
4) Independent, unbiased review.
5) Standardized units of measurement
6) A valid or workable hypothesis for the underlying observations


I have read a vast amount of material on the "alternative uses" for the Lecher Wire, out of sheer morbid curiosity. Everything "published" fails the test of valid scientific inquiry on each of the six points, and many others as well.

I have no objection to any kind of experimentation at all. What I do object to, I stated quite clearly in the opening paragraphs. It is the misuse and misapplication of a man's life work. To associate Mr. Lecher's name to such pseudo-science trivializes the real science the man contributed, and is, from my perspective, patently immoral.

Although I have yet to have any scientific principle named after me, although I'd love that to happen, I would be HIGHLY offended if my work had been hijacked, misapplied, and perverted, as has Mr. Lecher's. This is tantamount to plagiarism.

It's not only bad science...it's just plain immoral.

eric
 
The Lecher Wire  
by VE6TL on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I liked the article very much, but I still don't know what a Lecher wire is. It sounds like two wires. And the two wires sound like copper tubing. And what is a riser? The description left me wanting a picture.

As for the principles, they sound very straightforward and scientific. Maybe someone could produce a YouTube demonstration and have it out there for all to see. I especially liked the one where the guy fabricated a vacuum tube from scratch.
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by WI7B on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

"...this useful but now outdated instrument of measurement..."

At least in my profession, it is not outdated. In fact, a friend and colleaque of mine, Prof. John Lunney, Trinity College, Dublin, last year used a lecher interferometic probe and a variation, the "hairpin", for measuring the electron density and energy in laser ablation plasmas. See the ref.:

28th ICPIG, July 15-20, 2007, Prague, Czech Republic
"A microwave hairpin resonance probe for measuring electron density dynamics in laser ablation plasmas"
S. K. Karkari1, B. Doggett1, David O’Farrell, C. Gaman, Tony Donnelly,A. R. Ellingboe1 and J. G. Lunney, 28th ICPIG, July 15-20, 2007, Prague, Czech Republic.

As he states "The simplest microwave resonator probe is a quarter-wavelength parallel transmission line, whichhas one end short-circuited and the other end open." This tunrs out to be extremely precise, much more so than even a Lanqmuir electron probe.

73,

---* Ken
resembling a hairpin.
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Indeed....I've probed a few Langmuirs myself. :)
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
CNU

The YouTube idea is great...I think I'll work on that. I'm going to be teaching a GROL license class in the fall, as well...this might come in handy for that. Thanks for the suggestion.


But yes...you are right. A Lecher Line is two parallel wires...that's it!

The risers are just wooden blocks at the end of the main plank just there to raise the wires up a few inches.

eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by AC5E on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"Still don't know what a Lecher wire is!" A Lecher wire is essentially an open wire transmission line; preferably a rigid bare conductor transmission line. I used two lengths of brazing rod for one many years ago when the original CB band was on 465 MC - along with a pair of 955 tubes in push-pull to get a couple of watts output. The spacing was about three inches, and it tuned VERY sharply.

73 Pete Allen AC5E
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Class A CB??>????? YOu really ARE an old guy! HE HE



Eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by W6TH on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
.

U.H.F. FREQUENCY CHECKING LECHER WIRES.

Any ham that has the 1940 ARRL, chapter seventeen, page 265, 266 will see a home made Lecher wire system setup and the description of such to use.

THESE PAGES ALSO SHOW AND INDICATE THE PROPER USE.

Most of the old days are not much for information passed on to hams after the 1941 ARRL handbooks. Many excellent information had been omitted. My books back into the years before 1920 to the updated years of 1929 do not show any indication of Lecher wire system, but am sure it had been used when two wire open line was discovered.

A shame that the ARRL deleted all of this wonderful past electronic information.

I built one shown in this 1941 ARRL handbook and used it for 1/4 wave matching in the "good old days".

W6TH

.:
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by W6TH on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
.

I built one shown in this 1941 ARRL handbook and used it for 1/4 wave matching in the "good old days".

W6TH

Correction, I meant the 1940 ARRL handbook.

.:
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KC8VWM on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
VWM:

Perhaps an overview of the scientific method and experiementalism is in order.

A valid scientific experiment has the following characteristics:

1) Repeatability
2) Agreed upon instrumentation and methods of investigation
3) Stated conditions of the experiment
4) Independent, unbiased review.
5) Standardized units of measurement
6) A valid or workable hypothesis for the underlying observations


Agreed.

This use of the Lecher wire as a medical diagnostic instrument and measurement tool doesn't constitute the idea of "quackery" but rather, typically involves a very detailed oriented and well documented clinical analysis of the facts.

In medical circles, this Lecher wire technology is known as the "ACMOS method"

The primary interested of this method in the medical community is in the measurement of three energetic fields of the human body and they include:

The "vibratory " field, the "centripetal" field, and the "centrifugal" field.

The measured field information measurements recorded when used for diagnostic purposes in the field of medicine is not any more unusual or off the wall than the idea of using similar medical diagnostic technologies such as the crazy idea of using radio wave signals to create an image on a sheet of plastic or the wild idea of spinning a series of magnets around a person to see things inside thier bodies.

The 3 fields of measurement are documented and carried out by using the ACMOS Lecher Antenna which was developed by a French scientist and leading medical researcher by the name of Dr.René Naccachian.

The science behind the ACMOS method are well researched, documented and published by leading clinical research facilities. In addition, it's practical application has been repeated and used by many qualified licensed medical practicioners at many advanced medical institutions.

Quite frankly, I feel the ACMOS Lecher antenna is a brilliant use involving the use of older communications technology for the future advancement of modern day diagnostic clinical medicine.

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Vito:

Even if the Lecher Wire never regains its popularity as a test instrument, its use as an educational tool will never go out of style. I plan on using it for the GROL license class I'm teaching next fall.

Eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
VWM:

So, answer one simple question. Are these so-called "fields", electrostatic, gravitational or magnetic? A Lecher Wire is an electromagnetic device; there is nothing in it to respond to non-electromagnetic fields.
If they're some mystical, non-physical phenomenon, why would you use a physical device to detect them?

Certainly the body creates electric fields...down in the ELF region. I can build an instrumentation amplifier to detect them. EKGs, EEGs and such are nothing special.

The "Lecher Antenna" shown in the alternative medicine literature (Which is bogus by definition...Lecher never named his device an ANTENNA...but we can deal with that later) is about eight inches long....it would resonate up in the VHF range. What conceivable biological process can generate R.F. in the UHF region?

Simple questions.


Eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by AC7NA on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great article Eric!

This is what eHam needs to promote...recently too much useless garbage posted as "articles," and too many reprints of "eHam classics"

I definitely learned something and may build a Lecher wire to see it for myself...

Brian AC7NA
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by N7YA on February 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Brian, i agree.

That, and ive grown to enjoy Eric's contributions here. I like good writing no matter what, and hes no dummy whether you want to agree with him or not. My compliments.

73...Adam, N7YA
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by NL7W on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
K3AN said: "Installing a Lecher wire in the vicinity of your mailbox will reduce the amount of junk mail you get."

Does it work on junk e-mail, too?

;)


Excellent article!

73.
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Adam:
Thanks for the vote of confidence. :)
I have a philosophy when it comes to physics and science. The experiments will speak for themselves. Whether people agree with me or not is not even the issue...it's what the physics does! Physics is not subject to human opinion in the least. If I give people tools (such as the marvelous Lecher Wire) to work with, they will ultimately come to the same answer!

You've undoubtedly heard the old story... (even if it's an urban legend, it still makes a great point)... of a ship's captain arguing with a lighthouse keeper of who has the right of way. Who has the right of way is totally irrelevant...the lighthouse isn't about to move. As a scientist, I'm just a lighthouse keeper. I don't have to "get my way." I just sit by and watch the know-it-alls crash on the rocks.

(Okay...I'll admit it....sometimes it IS fun watching!)

Eric



 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by G8UBJ on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice article, its good to get back to basics..

For a bit more info and a diagram see -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecher_lines

The bit at the end is a neat (and safe) way to demonstrate RF theory.. As for using it to tune the anodes in a UHF tank ... I will leave that to the knowledgeable brave or foolish amongst us.

73 G8UBJ
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
UBJ:

Shucks, where's your sense of adventure? We used to tune tank circuits by drawing an R.F. arc of the plates with a pencil and tuning for maximum arc length!

:)

And I'm still here to talk about it!


HE HE!

Eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by AC7ZL on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
KC8VWM- With all due respect:

A Google search of the "ACMOS method" gets me 315 hits. Predictably, the main hits are to the web site of the people that promote this stuff. The main site is a retail store, selling "training," equipment, and herbs, including one which is claimed to be a "cathodic energy aggression neutraliser for the Computer," which "reinforces the body against aggression from the cathode tube of the computer."

In other words, they sell what in polite company we should call "fertilizer."

The secondary web sites, as many as I cared to look at, feature text and images obviously copied from the primary source. These are "me-too" sites, each with their own wares and agenda to sell.

Sorry, but none of this constitutes "valid science," "clinical analysis," or anything of a legitimate scientific nature that is likely to be known or discussed by "leading researchers" in "medical circles."

In fact, when I Googled "ACMOS" in conjunction with "New England Journal of Medicine," (or any other legitimate medical publication that I could think of,) Google returned *nothing.* There is no wiki entry for Dr.René Naccachian, and his name will not come up in conjunction with any of the legitimate journals that I tried. For that matter, I was not able to identify any of the "advanced medical institutions" that use or laud Naccachian's work.

I consider it unfortunate that you equate the real science, mathematics, and technology behind MRI with the dubious "science" behind the ACMOS method. Your position does not lend credence to Naccachian. It does suggest a certain unwillingness on your part to exercise critical thought.

Now don't get me wrong. Just because mainstream science does not recognize some kind of phenomenon doesn't mean that the effect does not exist. Modern science is all but crippled by its own dogma.

Nor am I predisposed to discard/ignore alternative medicine. I have enjoyed considerable relief from back pain because of acupuncture. I have no idea why it works, but my experience has been that it does.

I would go so far as to say that a lowly sugar pill is as legitimate a medicine as a codeine tablet if, through placebo effect, it renders pain relief. But even the placebo effect is known by real scientists and researchers at real "advanced medical institutions." The placebo effect is *real*.

As far as I can tell, ACMOS is not. To me it looks and smells like quackery.

73
Pete
AC7ZL


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by KC8VWM said:

Perhaps an overview of the scientific method and experiementalism is in order.

A valid scientific experiment has the following characteristics:

1) Repeatability
2) Agreed upon instrumentation and methods of investigation
3) Stated conditions of the experiment
4) Independent, unbiased review.
5) Standardized units of measurement
6) A valid or workable hypothesis for the underlying observations


Agreed.

This use of the Lecher wire as a medical diagnostic instrument and measurement tool doesn't constitute the idea of "quackery" but rather, typically involves a very detailed oriented and well documented clinical analysis of the facts.

In medical circles, this Lecher wire technology is known as the "ACMOS method"

The primary interested of this method in the medical community is in the measurement of three energetic fields of the human body and they include:

The "vibratory " field, the "centripetal" field, and the "centrifugal" field.

The measured field information measurements recorded when used for diagnostic purposes in the field of medicine is not any more unusual or off the wall than the idea of using similar medical diagnostic technologies such as the crazy idea of using radio wave signals to create an image on a sheet of plastic or the wild idea of spinning a series of magnets around a person to see things inside thier bodies.

The 3 fields of measurement are documented and carried out by using the ACMOS Lecher Antenna which was developed by a French scientist and leading medical researcher by the name of Dr.René Naccachian.

The science behind the ACMOS method are well researched, documented and published by leading clinical research facilities. In addition, it's practical application has been repeated and used by many qualified licensed medical practicioners at many advanced medical institutions.

Quite frankly, I feel the ACMOS Lecher antenna is a brilliant use involving the use of older communications technology for the future advancement of modern day diagnostic clinical medicine.

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
ZL:

Very well said. Likewise, I am not opposed to alternative medicines. I have traveled in Thailand extensively, and know that some of their herbs are absolutely wonderful. I was nigh unto death with a case of Typhus there. After getting the proper antibiotics, I still felt like crap. Someone gave me some kind of ginger-related tubor, (probably something totally illegal over here) and within MINUTES I felt wonderful. But even THAT can be scientifically researched. There's no question the AMA is in the dark ages when it comes to nutrition and such. This is not the question. But even valid alternative medicine is subject to science.

They now even have a good idea how acupuncture works from a conventional medical standpoint! I'm sure they'll find sane explanations for a lot of other Eastern medicines as well.

But this Lecher so-called "medicine" (and again, I hate to even associate poor Mr. Lecher with it) doesn't even pass the test of objective reality.

Even the alchemists used the scientific method. They may not have known WHY chemistry worked, but they at least got consistent, repeatable results!

Eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by WI7B on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

"Even the alchemists used the scientific method."

I've heard that Lecher wires can resonate lead atoms into gold! ;-))

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
7B:

It really is a shame that so many great scientists aren't around to defend themselves against "science groupies." Nikola Tesla suffered the same fate, posthumously. I've read just about all of Tesla's writings. Although he was indeed a very quirky individual, his scientific method was extremely rational, methodical, consistent, and just plain NORMAL! As with Mr. Lecher, I'm sure Tesla is spinning in his grave at how these wackos have interpreted his science. They have taken sound principles, for example RESONANCE, and gone off the deep end with it, with all kinds of mystical "vibration" showing up in everything.
I think the issue here is intellectual laziness. There is so much to explore and understand in REAL science, that you don't really have to go off the deep end to have a good time. Learn the REAL thing...it will keep you busy for a lifetime. Yes, it's a lot of work, yes it takes discipline. But you have something REAL when it's all over.
Nikola Tesla produced real products....the induction motor, flourescent lighting, probably even radio of sorts. This takes real work....not just fantasy. And even though Edison accused Tesla of not "perspiring" enough...the evidence is quite the contrary.

Eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by WI7B on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

AJ:

I used to believe it was just intellectual laziness. But there have been so many onslaughts on science and reason. A great book detailing the earlier destruction of Greek science and the advent of the Dark Ages is, "The Closing of the Western Mind, the rise of faith and the fall of reason". The assaults continue. (And yes, this does have to do with Amateur Radio and all technical services and hobbies)

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KC8VWM on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

What I find intersting is that most people are trying to equate the idea of using this ACMOS Lecher wire device to "legitimate" and AMA accepted treatments and sources by "googling websites" Well, if that is the best you can do, you are not likely going to find much to discuss about on the subject really.

What you "will" find by googling the internet on the other hand is that practically every breakthough in medical science has at one time or another has been viewed as undoable or not real or even quackery.

This is why it's important to carefully study the workings of this device to better understand how it may or may not work in principle.

This will reveal some very interesting and potential uses for this device in modern day medicine.

Remember, chiropratic medicine was once viewed as quackery and not generally accepted by the general medical community either.

Similarly, Chinese and hollistic approaches to medicine are mostly viewed as voodoo in this country today. Most medical practicioners cannot publically endorse it without loosing thier medical license to practice however most will admit (off camera scenerio) that a great deal of it does has some legitimate credibility although again "googling" that information would not likely gain anyone much information on the subject.

If I may elaborate a little if that's ok with Eric and to answer his earlier question, The so called fields or "mystical forces" we are talking about here are naturally and biologically generated by the human body. (Please feel free to Google that information if you like) Biological science is nothing new and I think we can all reasonably agree it's proven scientific fact so I suppose I don't have to prove to anyone that electrical activity occurring in parts of the human body is considered as a natual and biologically occuring thing. Scientists know it is even possible to measure amount of electrical activity being generated in the human body.

...Are we good so far?

Alright, now if you google the internet you will also find that well known scientific research has also demontrated that the human brain resonates at a wide range of frequencies, but it generally stays in four major levels of awareness and they are:

Beta (13 to 30 cps),
Alpha (8 to 12 cps),
Theta (5 to 7 cps),
Delta (1 to 4 cps).

Basically, the highest level is beta and in this state the brain is active and very awake. This state is usually associated with intellectual thought and verbal expression. When you are talking up a storm in a DX pileup on the 40 meter band, your brain is vibrating between 13 and 30 cps.

In other words these are clinically proven and biologically generated resonances occuring at various frequencies that are very real and quite measureable and this information is commonly accepted by medical science. Yes, even the AMA.

Something else that is equally relevant and proven by Tesla himself was conducted during his own "earthquake experiments" (Another google is in order) is the fact that everything in the universe seems to vibrate or "resonate" at a particular frequency.

Now most hams know that in electrical theory that when we apply a constant resonant frequency to a standing wave, we can intensify, reinforce, and prolong the standing frequency of that wave.

However we must be able to effectively measure the resonate frequency using a device before we can effectively apply such concepts of interaction when attempting to change or alter the resonant frequency to such waves.

The question now becomes is it possible to consider that we may be able to utilize these same accepted principles and theroies in scope to alter emitted waves created by the brain or other parts of the human body for that matter?

In short, I don't feel it's that far fetched of an idea that the ACMOS device is not likely capable of measuring the resonant frequency of the biological aspects of the human body.

Perhaps in doing so, we can better understand how we can change or alter it's biological resonant frequency as a method of perhaps one day repairing or altering cells in the human body as a form of diagnostic medical treatment.

Now I admit I don't expect the AMA to outright endorse that concept in scope however the principles and thories behind it seem to be generally supported by Telsa's earlier experiments which are now accepted by the general scientific community.

In closing, it's no secret that Tesla conducted extensive study in the area of resonate frequency in relation to physical earth objects. This seems to support the theory behind such physical sciences and biological frequency altering interactions including those that are conducted in the human body.

Eric, I want to take this opprtunity to thank you for your most interesting article and at the very least I hope my contribution in this thread has been somewhat entertaining and something to think about.

My best and keep experimenting.

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks, Charles. I will indeed continue experimenting, and I encourage you to do the same, as well.


By the way, I have no problem whatsoever with Alpha, Beta, and such waves. I used to build biofeedback amplifiers for people. These are REAL electrical signals. There is never any question about that. I do question however, that anything in the body can generate ANY signals of a frequency that can be detected by an 8" Lecher wire. And the guy in the picture didn't even have any detector connected to it.

Anyway....thanks for the feedback.

Cheers!

eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by G8UBJ on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Ha, alternative therapy. Everone in G land knows there's no better alternative for the ague than leeches!
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KC8VWM on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

Ken says,

A great book detailing the earlier destruction of Greek science and the advent of the Dark Ages is, "The Closing of the Western Mind, the rise of faith and the fall of reason". The assaults continue.

(And yes, this does have to do with Amateur Radio and all technical services and hobbies)

73,

---* Ken


------------

Excellent post and a few thoughts instantly came to mind:

In the book, "The Closing of the Western Mind, the rise of faith and the fall of reason" on pg.31 Plato wrote:

"We shall approach astronomy, as we do geometry, by way of problems, and ignore what's in the sky, if we intend to get a real grasp of astronomy" - Plato

I thought a similar quote I once read was a bit ironic so I thought I would share it, Nikola Tesla once wrote:

"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." - Nikola Tesla

...Ironic isn't it?

73 Charles - KC8VWM
 
Trombone Line RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KQ6XA on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I just wanted to say thanks for the great article, and give wholehearted honk of the horn for Lecher's distant offspring, the Trombone Line.
 
The Lecher Wire -- a great concept  
by WA6BFH on February 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

A wonderful article! I’m glad I thought to cruise by E-Ham!

I first used an Lecher Wire in about 1967 or’68. It did make understanding the concepts of voltage/current ratios much more simple, and helped with an overall understanding of RF. Later when I was in my teen years it also made Smith charts and RF related math much easier to visualize.

73! de John WA6BFH
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by W9OY on February 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I hate it when my organs vibrate. Make me feel all wobbly and goofs up my CW

73 W9OY
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by AJ4DW on February 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"ACMOS was developed by DR. Rene Naccachian. He is an engineer by profession and a researcher of energetic medicine by vocation. With a doctorate in Engineering, Oriental Medicine and molecular biology he has used this knowledge to marry the best of Oriental Medicine with the best of Western technology and science."

I've revised this message, as I really don't like flames, but I should point out that the use of terms such as "medicine" and "medical institutions" and "leading medical researcher" implies conventional medicine and is the typical method of alleging legitimacy by association with conventional medicine while trying to repudiate it, usually in the same paragraph. This is the same reason that crank therapies are always endorsed by a "Dr. So-and-so", very rarely by "So-and-so, MD", because "Dr" implies "MD" and lends an air of legitimacy to a useless product.

As we read VWM's support of the use of 'ACMOS' we can see the progression from "leading research institutions" and "leading medical researcher" to an assertion that conventional western medicine (and the AMA in particular) are not legitimate or not capable of evaluating such an 'advanced' science as the three electrical fields of the human body.
 
The Lecher Wire  
by K6JEY on February 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great discussion. One of the books I use in teacher education classes for science methodology is Carl Sagan's book, "The Demon-Haunted World" (Science as a Candle in the Dark) He goes through the history of pseudo-science, UFO's and witchcraft and why they have been so popular. For us science types it gives us a way to understand the misapplication and misunderstanding of science.
I think the point is well taken that to use real science takes effort and analysis. Most people get lost at a very simplistic level and give up. Lacking a grasp of theory, they end up taking high order approximations and string them together like pretty beads on a string and draw conclusions. That mean nothing. I am sure it makes them feel important, but it doesn't mean they ARE important or have said important things.
Doug Millar EdD.
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by K4JSR on February 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I waited until Valentine's Day to send all of the YLs in my life a "LETCHER WIRE".

73, Cal K4JSR Rogue Dirty Old Man In Residence At
The Forget-Me-Not Rest QTH And Old Fart Farm.
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Doug:

Good thoughts. I think we should also add that just because something DOESN'T lend itself to scientific scrutiny means it's of less value. For example, I gave my wife a Valentine's Day card this morning, and will take her out to dinner tonight. There is no lab experiment that will verify the usefulness of this act, but I do it every year.

(Although if I FAIL to remember Valentine's Day consistently, I may observe some predictable results!)

However, I wouldn't call my interaction with my wife "science." Nor would I, in a grasping attempt to qualify it as such, invoke the name of a true scientist.

eric
 
The Lecher Wire  
by G4IPZ on February 15, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Very informative article.
I remember over here in the UK back in the 60s many domestic UHF tv receivers used Lecher lines as part of the tuned circuits.
I also remember one supposed 'expert' engineer informing me that the reason a tv wasn't working was that someone had soldered all the 'rods' in the tuner to the metal case.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing is it not? LOL
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by KL7AJ on February 15, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
IPZ:

I imagine that took up a bit of space in the old box, eh? I wonder what the mechanical mechanism was to pull that off....must have been some sort of belt drive or something. I had an old frequency counter with a trombone tuner, driven with a jackscrew drive, which I imagine would have been far too expensive for a commercial TV.

Eric
 
RE: The Lecher Wire  
by W1XZ on February 16, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
>>I gave my wife a Valentine's Day card this morning, and will take her out to dinner tonight. There is no lab experiment that will verify the usefulness of this act, but I do it every year.<<

If you believe there is no lab experiment to verify usefulness of the act go sit in a divorce lawyer's waiting room for a day...MIT doesn't have a better lab.
 
The Lecher Wire  
by NT4XT on February 16, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
If you take a portion of Leche wire, wrap it around a pregnant cow's teat, gently and firmly grab between the coil loops and squeeze downward, you'll induce fresh, warm milk with minimal lactose.
If it's a Happy Cow, like a Horizon cow, it'll be wonderfully tasty and nutritious. Most definitely worth the extra cost.
 
The Lecher Wire  
by PF1JM on February 18, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
TNX for this very informative article. Being a ham for only 3 years now, I want to optimize my HF antenna situation. Mr. Lechers achievemens will certainly be helpful!

Now for the bogus-mumbojumbo section of this thread: Pubmed is a search engine for peer-reviewed medical articles (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez).
A search with the term ACMOS gave 0 (as in zero) results. Also the name of the so-called medical researcher Naccachian delivered 0 (zero) results.
So, the science behind the ACMOS method is NOT well researched, NOT documented and NOT published by leading clinical research facilities. In addition, it's practical application has NOT been repeated and NOT been used by many qualified licensed medical practicioners at many advanced medical institutions.

Just my 2 €-cents

Jeroen, PF1JM (who happens to be an MD, by the way)
 
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