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Why Propagation is Weird

Eric P. Nichols (KL7AJ) on March 8, 2008
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Why H.F. Propagation is Weird

We've gotten fairly good at predicting radio propagation, at least when compared to predicting weather. This is quite surprising, since Man has been contending with weather for his entire existence, while he's only been contending with the ionosphere for the last century or so.

Most of us have a moderate understanding of the connection between solar activity and radio propagation. “Sunspots good, no sunspots bad” has served us pretty well as a rule of thumb. The critical frequency and electron density profiles are, for the most part, as regular as clockwork, quite literally, as indicated by the Digisonde Scaled Data from various ionosondes. (Example here: http://maestro.haarp.alaska.edu/cgi-bin/digisonde/scaled.cgi).

DXers watch the solar indices like vultures scanning the desert for roadkill, because, for the most part it WORKS.

The fact that so much of ionospheric propagation IS so predictable makes the weird propagation we sometimes see all the more mystifying. What are we to make of those times when all the numbers are right, but radio just doesn't seem to work? The following should give us some insights.

There are three major assumptions most of us make when it comes to the ionosphere.

  1. The ionosphere is flat

  2. The ionosphere is stationary

  3. The ionosphere is horizontal

None of these conditions can be true as long as the Earth has a magnetic field. But for the sake of argument, let's imagine an Earth with no magnetic field. What would radio propagation look like?

Here is a short list.

  1. Propagation would be uniform over large regions of the Earth. There would be no “favored directions” except as expected by the amount of daylight.

  2. Propagation would be completely reciprocal. The path loss from station A to station B would always be identical to the path loss from Station B to Station A.

  3. There would be no Doppler Shift, Auroral flutter, or other short-term distortions.

Now, because we DO have a terrestrial magnetic field, a lot happens to disturb this rosy picture. Let's look at the effect of some of these false assumptions.

Most explanations of ionospheric propagation show the ionosphere as being a flat layer or layers, absolutely uniform over large geographical areas. In reality, the magnetic fields of the Earth cause the ionosphere to pucker, fold, lump and warp. Radio propagation can have EXTREMELY localized conditions. You only have to see the Northern Lights (Aurora Borealis) once to realize just how wrinkled the ionosphere is. The “curtaining” effect isn't just an optical phenomena…it can be tracked precisely with H.F. radar. And you don't have to live in Fairbanks, Alaska to see a wrinkled ionosphere, although it's MORE wrinkled here than anywhere else. The only place the ionosphere is nearly flat is along the magnetic equator.

Let's look at reciprocity. A uniform non-magnetized, horizontal ionosphere should present us with totally reciprocal propagation. For decades, us Alaskans who complain about “one way” propagation have been reviled by Lower 48ers who insist it's a myth, that there is no physical mechanism for one way propagation.

This is TRUE, assuming the ionosphere is HORIZONTAL. In highly magnetized regions, such as Alaska, the ionosphere is NOT horizontal, however. It can have tilts exceeding 60 degrees, over large regions and even MORE over smaller regions. It's EXTREMELY easy to explain why one-way propagation would be quite normal for a tilted ionosphere….the angle of attack, hence the critical frequency, would be much higher going one direction than the other. Many signals arriving into Fairbanks from Europe arrive essentially from DIRECTLY OVERHEAD! Any long time DXer here will tell you about times where he can spin his high gain 20 meter yagi clear around the compass with NO change in signal strength from over-the-pole propagation!

Finally, we not only have a warped and wrinkled ionosphere, but we have one that doesn't stay put. With a Doppler Ionosonde, you can measure how fast the ionosphere is advancing or retreating. Near sundown, you can often observe the ionosphere receding at over 700 meters per second! But even more astonishing, it doesn't all recede at the same time. From the same ionosonde, you can see parts of the ionosphere ADVANCING at the same rate. Grab a hold of a throw rug and flap it up and down vigorously, observing the waves that form along the fabric. This is a more realistic model of the ionosphere than your normal static model, especially near nightfall.

The bottom line is, the ionosphere is a moving target, and, believe me, it can move FAST!

Although the Sun is the prime mover, it's not the only thing happening, when it comes to propagation. One thing that's astonishing is how LITTLE material is doing the job for us, when it comes to the ionosphere. The ionosphere is comprised of almost NOTHING, when you compare it to the atmosphere at the surface of the Earth. The fact that a relative handful of electrons way out there can have any effect on radio waves, much less a total reflector at times, is quite remarkable.

http://www.physics.irfu.se/SEE/

Here's a little something that helps put things in perspective...especially when we try to understand some of the weirdnesses of the ionosphere. In my article, Bent Radio, I mentioned how sparse the matter is out there that affects all our radio communications. I knew it wasn't much, but I'd never heard the numbers. Some folks in the Swedish ionospheric community actually ran some numbers. The ENTIRE IONOSPHERE weighs less than a ton.

Thank about THAT one!

We shouldn't be surprised when the ionosphere acts a little weird at times. The fact that it works at ALL is nothing short of miraculous.

73 de KL7AJ

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Why Propagation is Weird  
by KW4CQ on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
A fascinating and thought provoking article -- particularly during the low in our current sunspot cycle. Thanks for the nice write-up. Let's hear more from you.
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by W4LGH on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Propagation isn't Weird, it is a product of atmospheric and space weather and is actually more predictable than the local weather. It works very much like a concaved mirror, and the more free electrons that are generated, the better the reflectivity. Nothing weird or magical about it.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by N2XE on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
great article Eric! Do you have a link or reference for the Swedish data?
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by W6TH on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
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Not much learned here that I have not learned back in my seventh year in junior high school science class.

I would like to know more of what happens when the heating and cooling of the ionosphere occurs.

I believe most will need some thought on the two meter band as to why some repeaters are easily opened and then at times not easily opened.

Also, why my neighbor next door to me can't work the repeater that I can with five watts and a "J" pole antenna and the neighbor is running a five element Cubical Quad, sixty watts and can't reach the same repeater which is just eighty nine miles distance.

We need more on this subject and look forward to reading it.

73, W6TH

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RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by AF0H on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
" Also, why my neighbor next door to me can't work the repeater that I can with five watts and a "J" pole antenna and the neighbor is running a five element Cubical Quad, sixty watts and can't reach the same repeater which is just eighty nine miles distance. "


Sounds more like Cockpit Error to me.
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by N3JBH on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
vito that has to be the most silly thing i seen you write. It has nothing to do with propagation.

It simply a case of having the proper goat testicles on the J pole that makes it work so awsome. If your neighbor would have added a set to each element of has quad you would never compete with him. :)
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by N3JBH on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
By the wat do Toggenburgs work better then Pygmys for this? was not sure if size mattered
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by N6NKN on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Vito,

You spent SEVEN years in junior high science class????
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by AE6RO on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Sgnr. Vito: I'd guess your neighbor's antenna has a higher take-off angle than your J-pole does. His signal probably just shoots over the top of the repeater antenna.

I've been reading the book "Low Band DXing" (Martti Lane) and the chapter on propagation is very difficult. He suggests a lot of 160 DX happens with ionospheric ducting, which would explain why the Alaskan DX seems to drop straight down out of the "duct".

What surprised me was there is always an "auroral donut" that is always over the poles. It is more-or-less reflective depending on the geomaganetic forces and sunspots.

He repeats the point over and over that low band propagation, especially on 160, is very unpredictable and that's where the fun is. 73, John


 
Why Propagation is Weird  
by N0AH on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Heating and cooling eh? Just light up a few Pershings and let's watch-There is plenty to choose from in WY and NE
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
LGH:

You need to operate from Alaska for a while. It will "unlearn" everything you think you know.

:)


eric
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by K1BXI on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Another nice read Eric, of course with the same detractors chiming in. If one doesn't think it's a bit weird and magical, explain to me why only twice in my 50 plus years of hamming have I heard a delayed echo of my cq coming back to me. Yes, I think I know why, but it doesn't happen often. And it sure is weird.

John.....K1BXI
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by W4VR on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
The author has been living in Alaska too darn long. I spent two years in Delta Junction AK, a few miles SE of North Pole AK back in the mid-60's and it took me 10 years to recover when I came back to the lower 48. When I lived there the locals were telling me that the earth was flat just like the ionosphere!
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by K8MHZ on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"You spent SEVEN years in junior high science class????"

The amazing part is that it took him less than 10 years to do it!

Cool article, as usual, Eric!

Now if you can only explain why our garage door opener is eating up capacitors every three months when the first one lasted nearly 20 years......

Ah, so....

:)

73 de K8MHZ
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by G3SEA on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

It's probably as weird as the Weather which it resembles ;)

KH6/G3SEA
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by WI7B on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

Eric Kl7AJ,

A thought- and blog-provoking article. Great!

I still hear one-way propagation referred to as a "complete myth". Your straight-forward explanation of an "tilted" ionosphere has been drawing vector diagrams of incident, refracted and reflected wave patterns.

My question...is it that direct? Can we understand variations in fxF2 and foF2 at high latitude by magnetic field orientation?

(and I thought my sceince was weird)

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by W6TH on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
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When this happens (Aurora Borealis), qsy to the lowest frequency as possible and punch through, otherwise your signal will hit the (Aurora Borealis) and be reflected back to you.

Simple addition I also learned in the seventh grade. No magic, just use common sense.

W6TH

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RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
WI7B:

The magnetic field is not the only factor, but it is certainly the predominant one. The magnetic field lines come almost straight down here (just 15 degrees off vertical)

When active auroras are present there is just general chaos....any semblance of a structure falls apart...which is why NO amount of power can get you through. (Even HAARP with their gigawatt ERP doesn't operate during active auroras!

Eric
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
WI7B:

Another Auroral factor (I go into a bit of detail in this in "Bent Radio" is electron precipitation. When the ionosphere is disturbed, a huge number of free electrons come roaring down the field lines...it's just like someone pulled the plug on the ionosphere. All these electrons are easily measured with ground based electroscopes, by the way. Pretty cool stuff. (Well, except that it sucks for radio!)

eric


 
Heating and Cooling  
by KL7AJ on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Vito:

Good question. Of course the whole business of ionospheric heating is precisely why HAARP and HIPAS and TROMSO and a few other big heating facilities exist in the first place.

First of all, we need to make clear that with all the megawatts that these facilities crank out, they can NEVER create an ionosphere. R.F. is NON-IONIZING radiation. They can only modify an already ionized region.

Second, we need to redefine temperature, compared to as we normally think of it. The thermal mass of the ionosphere is far far far less than anything we're familiar with here on the surface. We mentioned that the entire ionosphere weighs less than a TON. The total HEAT capacity of the ionosphere is next to nothing. What we do when we heat the ionosphere is essentially accelerate free electrons. Since there is almost nothing for them to "rub against" a "hot" electron is simply one moving in more or less a straight line at a higher velocity than a "colder" one...very different from molecular heat, such as in a hunk of iron. What HAARP and the like actually do when they "HEAT" the ionosphere is merely created a less dense region in an area that's already unbelievably sparse.

Now, we do occasionally look at ION acceleration...but this is an insignificant effect compared to electron heating. Remember, ions have THOUSANDS the time of mass of electrons, so they are MUCH more sluggish. When we do manage to wobble some ions around directly, we can detect them as ion acoustic waves (largely responsible for long delayed echoes, which by the way can be consistently generated in plasma chambers). Long delayed echoes are actually the result of MODE CONVERSIONS...that is a change from electromagnetic to mechanical energy, and then conversion back to electromagnetic energy. Again, it's a very inefficient process, but definitely reproduceable.

So, there's our intro to ionospheric heating. At least artificial heating.

eric
 
RE: Heating and Cooling  
by KL7HF on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Het Eric:

If you get a chance, go to the UA library and see
if you can get a paper put out by the Geophyscal Institute called "The Layered Earth Theory"
Very interesting and could very well explain the
extreme arctic propagation anomolies.

Del
 
RE: Heating and Cooling  
by K4JSR on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Eric,
Would it not be easier to heat the ionosphere using
an architectural device with a bon fire on top?
You know, an IONIC COULOMB!!!

73, Cal K4JSR
 
RE: Heating and Cooling  
by KL7AJ on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
JSR:

Keep that up and I'll have to unload some Tom Swifties on you.
 
RE: Heating and Cooling  
by W6TH on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
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So, there's our intro to ionospheric heating. At least artificial heating.

Thanks eric, much appreciated.

73, W6TH

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RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KC5CQD on March 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"When this happens (Aurora Borealis), qsy to the lowest frequency as possible and punch through, otherwise your signal will hit the (Aurora Borealis) and be reflected back to you.

Simple addition I also learned in the seventh grade. No magic, just use common sense.

W6TH"



And once again.....here's Vito. A man that swore he was "Done with Eham and never coming back!".

Personally, if I had myself a little tantrum in a public venue/forum, I'd have too damned much pride to show my face again, acting as though nothing had ever happened.

Is this the example set by the "old-timers" that we newer hams are supposed to try and emulate?
 
RE: Why KC5CQD is Weird  
by W6TH on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
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KC5CQD

You set a good example of a no code/5 wpm extra.

.:
 
RE: Why KC5CQD is Weird  
by N7YA on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
How can one be a no code/5 wpm extra? 5 wpm is painfully slow, but its code nevertheless.

Perhaps i missed the idea here.
 
RE: Why KC5CQD is Weird  
by W6TH on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
,
Someone shook a tree and all the nuts fell in California.

KC5CQD
Jess E Materne
326 Arloncourt Rd
Seaside CA 93955
USA

.:
 
RE: Operate in Alaska? Everything in AK is Weird!  
by W4LGH on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
KL7AJ said...":LGH: You need to operate from Alaska for a while. It will "unlearn" everything you think you know."

I have no desire to VISIT Alaska, much less operate from there! Days/Nights, Seasons...everything in Alaska is WEIRD...so why shouldn't your propagation
be weird too? Never have been much of a Winter Wonderland kinda guy... I'll stay in my Tropical Paradise...

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

 
RE: Operate in Alaska? Everything in AK is Weird!  
by N0YXB on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Alaska is a wonderful place! I had the pleasure of living there while serving in the military. There are a lot of misconceptions about Alaska. For instance most don't realize the winters can be mild in the southern coastal areas. Pictures and videos don't do it justice. I think everyone should visit Alaska once in their lifetime. I'll be back.

Vince
N0YXB
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by AD5VM on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I for one would love to hear some stories of 'weird propagation'. I once read a post from one of you guys about a ship's radioman picking up a 500KC distress beacon. The kind from a life boat which was at the time about 500mW output to a six foot long tape whip....

Again that's 500mW on 500KC to a six foot vertical...

Anyway the ship was using a DF loop and zig zagging back and fourth all night looking for this lifeboat. They knew they were close because the signal would increase and then as they passed a certain point it would begin to decrease.

At some point in the early morning the signal stopped. The radioman contacted the coast guard to report the incident and they informed him that they had just picked up the life boat that had been broadcasting the distress signal all night. Nearly 10,000 miles from where the ship had been searching.

I don't know how much of that was true but it's a cool story.
AD5VM
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
VM:

I mention the reliability of 500kc in the "Bent Radio" thread. Indeed, these stories were many. Sea water is almost lossless at those frequencies.

You might also look at some of the records being made on the 500kc experimental group. (www.500kc.com)

Eric
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by WL7CMG on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"I have no desire to VISIT Alaska"...

That's about the best thing I've ever heard Mr. Know-it-all, W4LGH ever say. I doubt somebody like you could ever really appreciate it anyway.

Most the HAMS I talk to that ever express the desire to come up, and there are many, I welcome with open arms, and tell them the sooner the better. But in your case...do us all a favor and smolder away in your Tropical Paridise. While you're trying to sleep in the heat, I'll be up here catchin' Kings at midnight and getting a sunburn. All the while DXing from the river bank!!!

Have a REAL NICE DAY OM...!!!
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by W4LGH on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
WL7CMG said..."That's about the best thing I've ever heard Mr. Know-it-all, W4LGH ever say. I doubt somebody like you could ever really appreciate it anyway."

I think you have me confused with N2EY, his title is Mr Know-it-all! But none the less, a mild winter is 72degs! However if you like it up there, so be it. Different strokes for different folks. What we really need to do with Alaska, is start doing some serious drilling for all that OIL there and tell OPEC where and what they can do with their oil. I believe in conserving the environment, but without our own source of energy this country will cease! Need to do the same here in the Gulf of Mexico too!

But this has nothing to do with weird propagation, so I will stop here...another place, another time.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com



 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
LGH:

This may not actually occur to you, down in Shangri-La, drinking Mint Juleps, but somebody actually has to COME UP HERE to do the drilling, so you can HAVE the oil to run your air conditioning. It's not going to drill itself. So, put on your Carhartts and your bunny boots and get to work! We won't even harass you about wrinkling the sod a bit in the process.


eric
 
Why Propagation is Weird  
by G0GQK on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
How amazing that one correspondent states he learned all about radio propagation and the ionosphere in his seventh year at junior school. Having read thousands of postings to forums in the last few years its a pity that English grammar and spelling isn't taught, because it would be less of a strain on those who read them, and be more useful for the writers.

There is absolutely nothing scientific in the article. The facts are that we know nothing of the ionosphere and how it functions, we can't see it, we don't really know where it is exactly, we only think we know. We are unable to track RF so how can anyone even pretend to understand what happens 150 miles above the earth. It was only during WW2 that radio blackouts were beginning to be understood. When they first occured both the Allied and German military thought the other side had developed a secret weapon.

G0GQK
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
G0GOK:

The fact that we know so little about the ionosphere is precisely why it's so fascinating to study! There isn't much remaining right in one's backyard (relatively speaking) that still holds so much mystery. It has to be intriguing to anyone possessing a soul.

I've heard ionospheric research best described as "Shooting a gun into a dark room, and listening for whatever screams." This is more accurate than you might imagine.

However, there are a lot of things that we can deduce about the ionosphere, because we can confirm it with different kinds of tests. These give us a fair picture "beyond reasonable doubt.

For example...the electron density profile is determined by earth-based sounders (generally ionosondes) which, as you suggest, might be a rather indirect way at seeing what's up there. However, we have also sent rockets through the ionosphere to actually take chemical samples, and the ion density profile matches the ground based soundings with a high degree of accuracy and confidence.

We also have a powerful tool...something we haven't talked about much yet: The plasma chamber. We've quite successfully created scale model ionospheres under carefully controlled lab conditions, and have been able to reproduce with a large degree of consistency, "real world" ionospheric effects. In fact, we can quite consistently generate long delayed echoes in such devices.

As an analogy....we can't see AIR either, but we do know a lot about the weather. Of course weather forecasters are WRONG a lot, but they do have some known principles to work with.

Of course a plasma chamber isn't the ionosphere, but to put things simply....if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

Another good analogy is non-invasive surgery. Take the Ultrasound. There's a lot that goes on between an ultrasound transducer and a baby...but we have pretty good confidence that what we see on a screen is pretty close to what's inside...and generally confirmed after the birth!

One thing that can MAKE ionospheric research more scientific is to get a lot more people involved. Every ham can be part of this great experiment!

eric

 
RE: Why Eham is Weird  
by K4JSR on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Eric said, "Of course a plasma chamber isn't the ionosphere, but to put things simply....if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck."

Now you are DOWN on ducks?? FOWL! FOWL!!
Cal replied swiftly...

OOOOPS!
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
GOK:
If you're interested, one of the most instrumental figures in giving us an understanding of this was a fellow Englishman by the name of K.G. Budden. If you can get a copy of his classic book, "Radio Waves in the Ionosphere" from Cambridge University Press, it's worth every dime. He also has the most complete description of X and O mode propagation.

eric
 
RE: Why Eham is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
JSR:

I might just have to send you a bill.
 
RE: Why Eham is Weird  
by KB9CRY on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
It's weird because the ionosphere is irregular and it's circular, like the earth. Actually very simple and easily explained.
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by W6TH on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
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G0GQK
How amazing that one correspondent states he learned all about radio propagation and the ionosphere in his seventh year at junior school. Having read thousands of postings to forums in the last few years its a pity that English grammar and spelling isn't taught, because it would be less of a strain on those who read them, and be more useful for the writers.


I assume that you have not been reading some of your own kind from the so called, Great Britain, surely the schooling is also a failure in this great Britain.

My mum told me of the Britain that rules the wave, but Germany proved it so wrong, so wrong, you Brits had to borrow some of our ships, whereby the Germans had sunk almost, your entire Navy.


Just remember that there will always be an England as long as there is America. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Limy.

.:
 
Alaska Oil? Not as much as you might think.  
by N2EY on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
From Wikipedia:

"A 1998 United States Geological Survey (USGS) study indicated...the entire assessment area, which covers not only land under Federal jurisdiction, but also Native lands and adjacent State waters within three miles, technically recoverable oil is estimated to be at least 5.7 billion (95%) and as much as 16.0 billion (5%) barrels (0.7 to 1.9 km³), with a mean value of 10.4 billion barrels (1.2 km³)."

...

"The U.S. consumes about 20 million barrels daily."

...

"If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was used to meet 100% of U.S. demand, it would last...525 days or just 1.4 years if it contained 10.4 billion barrels."

So while Alaska's oil is certainly important, it's not going to solve the USA's problem unless there are enormous undiscovered deposits.

---

Very little oil is used in the USA to generate electricity, because it's too expensive. Less than 3% of US electricity production comes from oil, and it's been decreasing for decades. We get more electricity from wind than from oil.

73 de Jim, N2EY

 
RE: Alaska Oil? Not as much as you might think.  
by W6TH on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
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This is the way of life; we know little of it and yet we know more of how to use it.

We do, if I may add, we still live in the dark age and much to be gained by living and learning.

Seems we don't learn by research, but by the mis-takes we make.

Most mi-stakes are made by follow the leader. The leader learns by others mistakes. An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness also by a misconception or misunderstanding.

Take heed to this next election as an example.

.:
 
RE: Alaska Oil? Not as much as you might think.  
by WI7B on March 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

"LGH:

This may not actually occur to you, down in Shangri-La, drinking Mint Juleps, but somebody actually has to COME UP HERE to do the drilling, so you can HAVE the oil to run your air conditioning..." - Eric KL7AJ

No, Eric. It's worse than that. They don't use that much oil for their air conditioners. They use nuclear reactors for their air conditioners.

And when the fuel is spent, and becomes nuclear waste, do these Floridians take responsibility for it?

Get real. Their Floridians. These flatlanders ship it all to Savannah River, South Carolina. As of January 1, 2005, Florida ranked 12th among the 31 States with nuclear capacity. ow wast dumps in Florida. ZERO.

This is the type of responbility you can come to expect from the "Sunshine State".





 
Why Propagation is Weird  
by G5FSD on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry, but one way propagation is still a myth. No matter how you dress it up, if there's a path there from A to B it will work exactly the same from B back to A... just think about it!
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KD2BD on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great article, Eric.

The deeper one explores the behavior of the ionosphere, the more one discovers just how complex its operation really is and just how little we actually know about it.

About five years ago, I developed an interest in designing a frequency standard using WWVB's 60 kHz carrier as a reference. I soon realized that there is little written about 60 kHz ionospheric propagation. After some research, I discovered that beyond the limits of reliable surface wave propagation, signals at this frequency propagate via the D layer, day AND night. Although I've always read that the D layer dissipates after sunset, recent discoveries point to the fact that the D layer remains lightly ionized at night through cosmic radiation received from space.

Another interesting phenomenon can be seen in looking at WWVB's estimated service area (http://tf.nist.gov/stations/wwvbcoverage.htm). Propagation (especially over land during the day) clearly favors a west-to-east direction. I have read that this is indeed the result of the so-called "one way propagation" effect.

At 60 kHz, propagation is FAR more reliable and predictable than at higher frequencies. After developing a system of electronics capable of measuring frequencies of on-air signals to better than one part per billion, I started looking at WWV and CHU to see what amount of Doppler shift due to ionospheric propagation effects I could observe. Plotted over time, these measurements illustrate exactly what you have described: a rise in the refractive layer at sunset, and very complex series of undulations, particularly at night.

As I started to plot my Doppler shift measurements over time, an oscillatory pattern with an almost predictable period of about 30 minutes started to emerge.

See sample plot at: http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/chu-31Dec07.png

Full description at: http://www.qsl.net/kd2bd/fmt-methodology.html

I find this phenomenon intriguing, and am currently in the process of researching its cause. It MAY be the result of Gravity Waves, Geomagnetic Field Oscillations, Traveling Ionospheric Disturbances (TIOs), or some other phenomenon. (Any information would certainly be welcomed.)

I have also produced Doppler plots while alternating between horizontal and vertically polarized antennas, and many times there IS a measurable difference between the two! I have seen situations where one polarization showed a frequency trend upward, while the orthogonal polarization showed a trend in the opposite direction.

Perhaps some of this is due to the effects of Faraday rotation, since the ionosphere is essentially a plasma immersed in a magnetic field. Since Faraday rotation does not obey the law of reciprocity, it may be a major factor in "one-way propagation" situations as well.

Great topic!

Incidentally, Stan Horzepa's "Surfin'" feature on the ARRL Web site describes how propagation on VHF and higher frequencies can be modeled and predicted. (Cheap plug). :-)


73, de John, KD2BD
http://kd2bd.ham.org/
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
FSD:

Absolutely not so. In fact, one-directional propagation can be reproduced in a plasma chamber. Magnetized plasmas can have MUCH more loss in one direction than the other. Yes, if we look at the ionopshere as being a simple mirror, it is reciprocal..but the ionosphere (or any magnetized plasma) is not.

eric
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
BD:

At 60 KHz, the propagation may very well be entirely through true groundwave. It would be very very difficult to determine whether skywave propagation exists at that frequency. (We did a lot of ELF ducting experiments at around 200 HZ, but the only suspicion that it might have had some skywave is the presence of barely measureable QSB, which should be absent in groundwave). 60 KHz is in sort of a no-man's land, a very difficult region to measure accurately for several reasons. It would definitely be an interesting study.

eric
 
Why Propagation is Weird  
by WA3SKN on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well, to put things in perspective... nothing is flat!
The Earth is round, think "globe" here.
The ionosphere is in the shape of a concavo-convex lens, centered at the equator. It is relativly stable.
We, on Earth, are the ones that are moving! Spinning at about 1000 miles per hour at the equator!
That's perspective!
And, yes... Alaska being near the pole has a fairly hard time of it. Too much noise comes over the pole to enjoy the lowest frequencies, yet hard to get to the thickest part down at the equator.
So, the "bands are not changing", you are just "moving"!
73s.

-Mike.
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
......centered at the center of the EARTH. Herein is the rub....WE are not anywhere near that center. From our perspective, the CONCAVITY of the ionosphere is meaningless.

eric
 
Realistic Proportions  
by KL7AJ on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
To put things in perspective.

For 75 years we've been taught to think of the Earth as a golf ball, and the ionosphere is a tennis ball around it.

WRONG.

Take an orange. The inside of the orange peel is the surface of the Earth, the OUTSIDE of the orange peel is the outer reaches of the ionosphere.

These are the correct proportions.



Eric
 
RE: Realistic Proportions  
by KL7AJ on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Here's another, rather bizarre way of looking at it. If we did live at the center of the earth (or on the surface of a VERY SMALL EARTH relative to the ionosphere....EVERY signal we could transmit would be an NVIS signal! No matter which direction we aimed it, it would reflect right back to us. So obviously, the concave mirror model is pointless!

eric
 
RE: Why Eham is Weird  
by K4JSR on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Eric sed, "I might just have to send you a bill."

That would certainly be my SWAN SONG.
I would have to tell my friend, Claire De Loon, about it and she would give me the Mother Of All Gooses!!

My favorite rig was and still is DRAKE!!!
It is indeed everything it is QUACKED up to be.

Cal
 
RE: Why Eham is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know if you're a RAVEN lunatic, or just on some kind of EAGLE trip. Well, I'd better get out of here....FLAME'n'GO.


:)
 
RE: Why Eham is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I'll probably live to egret that last one. :)
 
Why Propagation is Weird  
by KH6BZF on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Don't forget Aurora Australis in the Southern Hemisphere.
But, most of the (radio) population resides in the No. Hemisphere! Count the Continents for yourself. I have studied radio propagation for all most 60-yrs and I still don't know what I don't know! As an Astrophysist and radio engineer I still don't know. But I still collect the Solar Data and make forecasts that are about 95% accurate. Remember, a decade on Earth is like a micro-second on the solar disk, our closest star!
I have ALL the FCC licenses in Radiotelephony and Radio-
telegraphy with Radar endorsements and I'm still bewildered at what the Sun surprises us with Solar
perturbations. Surprise yourself and study the Solar Data
yourself. What a challenge! ALOHA
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by G5FSD on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
KL7AJ Eric,
Are you sure you're not mixing apples and oranges? Can you really compare something in a plasma chamber (what wavelength?) to the long wavelengths of HF refracting through density changes in massive regions of charged particles?
You're asking me to believe the equivilant of bouncing a torch beam off mirrors and it only works one way - I'll need a VERY convincing demonstration and explanation before I'll believe in one-way HF propagation, that's for sure! Until there's demonstrable proof, I'll continue to put it down to differences in local conditions at each end of the path.
73
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
BZF:

Are you the one and only Bloomin' Zipper Flipper? If so, I worked you some time around 1974!


Eric
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
FSD:

You have proven my point exactly. Ionospheric "reflection" is NOT an equivalent to bouncing light off of mirrors. This was the whole point of my "Bent Radio" thread, by the way. It's a REFRACTIVE process, not a reflection. The ionosphere is also BIREFRINGENT meaning it has two different (main) refractive indices, one which accounts for X mode propagation and one for O mode. The ionosonde clearly demonstrates this....they've had ionosondes for 70 years.


eric
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
BZF:

By the way, we haven't forgotten the Aurora Australis. The Geophysical institute up here has done some amazing simultaneous photography of the northern and southern auroras, and they are almost exact mirror images.

This lends some credence to the assertion that northern auroras might be electron auroras, while southern ones are complimentary proton auroras. If something at least SIMILAR to this wasn't happening, the Earth would be accumulation HUGE net electical charges, which, from all evidence, it isn't.
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by G5FSD on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Eric, if you read my last message you'll find I *did* specify refraction.
Now please kindly explain how : when EM radiation refracts its way along a given path why would it not work exactly the same way back from the distant station? No matter how many focussing effects are involved, or catching things at just the right angle - I still can't get my head around the path not working in the other direction. Please make me believe, if you know something that I don't!
73
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
First of all, there are different losses incurred in a radio traveling through a magnetized plasma...one direction is highly absorptive, the other is not.

However, this does not even address the divergent paths. The X and O modes not only have different critical heights and frequencies, but they diverge along the magnetic azimuth. A magnetized plasma has at least TWO major refractive indexes, one for X mode and one for 0 mode.


Now, like the ARRL, you might want to deny that X and O modes even exist, which contradicts 70 years of known ionospheric physics.

By the way...have you ever looked at an ionogram?

eric
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
By the way, you don't need to even have a plasma to have non-reciprocal radio propagation. The ferrite circulator, ubiquitous in microwave technology, is a perfect case in point. Radio waves can only propagate through the device one direction.
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by G5FSD on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Any chance we can have that in English, please?
In terms a layman would understand? :o)
73
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
http://umlcar.uml.edu/digisonde_dps.html

A picture's worth a thousand words. Look and behold.


eric
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by N5XM on March 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I am wondering about the Earth side of the circuit. There are many reports on the so-called weakening of the Earth's magnetic field. My understanding is that our magnetic field keeps the atmosphere from leaking into space. I also wonder how the variations within that magnetic field affect things. Am I wrong in thinking that the plasma associated with the Earth's field are concentrated at the poles? As the Earth's shape is really ovoid and somewhat assymetric, can we say the same about the shape of the layers of our atmosphere? If this is true, it would seem that any predictive model would have, at best, an accuracy of something like 75-80%. Maybe we could find a quantum model for propagation. Those would be some equations!
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
XM:

Some good questions. We don't have the complete answers to all of them, but a few known facts should be able to lead you to a reasonable conclusion or two.

#1 The atmosphere is 99.999++++...% non-ionized...that is, neutral molecules and atoms. Magnetic fields can have no effect whatsoever on non-charged particles. Gravity, by many orders of magnitude, is the predominant force holding the atmosphere on earth.

#2 The entire mass of the ionosphere...that is, ions and electrons which ARE capable of being affected by magnetic fields...is less than one ton. Yes, that is correct, the entire ionosphere weighs less than a ton. It is so close to being non-existent that it's...well, practically non-existent.

#3 Magnetic fields are indeed potent shaping factors for that ninuscule amount of ionospheric mass. They can be both stabilizing and disrupting forces. (The "curtaining" effect in visible auroras is strong evidence of this schizophrenic behavior...we have a well-defined general structure...but it's got a lot of rips tears in it!)



Here's your starting point. Hope it helps!

eric
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KD2BD on March 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
N5XM wrote:

> My understanding is that our magnetic field keeps the atmosphere from
> leaking into space.

The Earth's magnetic field deflect charged particles originating from the Sun (Solar wind) from eroding the Earth's atmosphere.

For example, many years ago the planet Mars had a liquid core, a magnetic field, an atmosphere, and water on its surface. Over time, the core cooled causing the planet to lose its magnetic field.

Without a magnetic field to protect it, particle radiation from the Sun slowly eroded the atmosphere of Mars, causing its surface water to evaporate.


73, de John, KD2BD
http://kd2bd.ham.org/
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by G5FSD on March 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well thanks, but that's way over my head (literally!)
If you can explain "one-way skip" in terms we can all understand, you'll make quite a name for yourself!
73
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by AE6RO on March 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I was reading "Low Band DXing" by John Devoldere ON4UN and the chapter on propagation is so difficult I am reading it again.
I'm not sure if he is trying to promote 160 meter operation or to scare the faint-hearted back to two meter FM. . .
One interesting point he makes: propagation on 160 is unpredictable and independent of the sunspot cycle.
Unlike 80 and 40 which can shut down at night during sunspot minimum, when the MUF dips below 3 MHz.
So if the sunspots don't come back we can all get on 160. 73, John
 
RE: Why Propagation is Weird  
by KL7AJ on March 25, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
http://guests.antennex.com/rooms/prop/index.html

this series of articles on AntennX is one of the best I've seen anywhere...and one of the most complete explanations of X and O propagation I've read.
 
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