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DXing from an Overseas Perspective

Stephen Haines (W9CPI) on March 6, 2008
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Perhaps my perspective as an active ham from Paraguay will help some beginning DXer to put more DX in the log. I have enjoyed the articles on DXing and hope this one will give others an insight into the mentality and operating practices of those of us who live where there is always more demand for QSOs than we have time to answer.

Paraguay (ZP) is a semi-desirable DX catch. If you have DXCC or more, you don’t need us . . . but many do, apparently. Not many of us are active at the moment: Doug ZP6CW; Pino ZP4KFX; Tom’s contest station ZP0R; me ZP9EH, and a couple of others (ZP5’s CGL, RPO, VIA come to mind). On CW or RTTY we draw a fair amount of pressure.

My station is more modest than most (see QRZ.COM). I’ve got a FT-757 running barefoot to an 80-meter dipole fed with ladder line from an old MFJ tuner. On RTTY and PSK31 I run about 25 watts AFSK output. Only for two of my 48 years on the air have I had the luxury of a beam, and I’ve never enjoyed more than 100 watts output.

So what am I thinking when I sit down at the rig? I’m in one of three modes.

1. Hunter. Here I am looking for new ones. If you are not new for me, or at least a new band/mode combination, you won’t know I’m there. I have the cluster running (VE7CC), I’m checking the beacon system to see what path may be open but quiet, and 95% of the time I’m listening but not transmitting.

2. Gabber. Sometimes I just want to ragchew . . . usually on CW. I’m listening for an attractive CQ to answer. What catches my ear is a clean signal, crisp accurate keying on CW (I want to copy in my head at 20-25 wpm), and good operating practice. If I hear a bunch of mistakes or bad spacing on your own call and CQ, I won’t call.

Hint: If I answer your CQ and you are not rare, I’m probably willing to chat a while. Don’t assume that you must give me a “TU 5NN SK”.

Hint: If I’m hunting without success, I can be lured into the “gabber” mode by a good signal. If I like what I hear, I’ll try a call . . . remember that many of us have more modest stations and weaker signals than you have. Don’t be afraid to come back to my S4 call.

Hint: If you have found me and I am not in the contest-style run mode, should you tail end? Yes, IF you don’t step on the final transmission of the guy I’m working. That really irks me. Do your best to make sure both of us have made our final transmission. THEN call. You probably won’t know which one of us has the right to the frequency. If I answered the other guy’s CQ, I don’t feel right about taking over and running QSOs on the frequency. I’ll probably answer “up up”, meaning go up about 2 kHz and you call me. But maybe he answered me, and I’ll stay on the frequency and answer you.

3. Fisher. In this mode I am looking to generate a pileup and run. I often start out in this mode calling CQ, but will chat with the first one or two. I watch the cluster spots and will often exchange a bit more information until I have been spotted; then I’ll shift to a contest style exchange. My best rate is only a little over a QSO per minute, so I won’t go all the way to “W4XXX 5NN” and “TU”.

Hint: Take your cue from the DX station. If I give you my name, give me yours, and perhaps your state. In my opinion, “op mike in NY” works better than “My name is Mike and my QTH is NY.”

Hint: Sending your call once in the pileup might be okay if you have a good signal. Sending it twice (W4XXX W4XXX) would be normal. More than that might break the rhythm of the DX station and not be useful, particularly if the DX is working them simplex, on his own frequency. Send cleanly with good spacing and no errors. If you make a mistake on your own call, stop and wait for another opportunity . . . it is really hard for the DX station if he hears two versions of the same call!

Hint: If my answer is just “W4XXX 5NN” then all I really want from you is an acknowledgment. What works best from my end, with the rather broad passband in the receiver, is “TU 5NN de W4XXX”. I like having your call at the end after the frequency has quieted a bit. It is my last chance to check the screen (if I’m running N1MM Logger) or my paper pad for your call. Accuracy is much more important to me than speed.

Hint: If I give you your report a second time, it means I’m not sure about your call. If I made a mistake, a good answer would be “W4XXZ TU 5NN de W4XXZ”. I have two chances to correct your call. If I made a mistake the first time, I’ll re-send your report, “W4XXZ 5NN”. What I would like to hear is a confirmation that I now have it right. “QSL QSL de W4XXZ” works well. If still wrong, perhaps “no no de W4XXZ”.

Hint: Listen for my final call, “W4XXZ TU de ZP9EH” or something like that. Personally, I would prefer that you not respond to my final. I’m already in the “copy another call” mode and you’re already in the log.

What this QSO looks like can be as short as this:

"W4XXX" (from you),
"W4XXX 5NN" (from me),
"5NN" (from you),
"ZP9EH" (from me).

I don’t like this truncated form, but it is heard quite a bit. I would prefer a bit longer, like:

"W4XXX" (you),
"W4XXX 5NN" (me),
"TU 5NN de W4XXX", OR “ZP9EH TU 5NN de W4XXX” (you),
"W4XXX TU 73 de ZP9EH" (me)

Hint: If you are pretty sure you have a good signal, a slight delay between letters of your call gives me a chance to write it down with less chance of a mistake. Speed is not important, anything from 13 to 25 wpm works for me. Give me a chance to either write your call or enter it in the computer. My response will not be immediate . . . maybe a second after you stop.

Hint: If you are not a real strong signal, moving just slightly off frequency may help me hear your call better. Hanging out at the edges of a split pileup may give you a better chance at a QSO than being zero-beat with the big guns.

Two more general suggestions and I’m done.

1. Please check your entry in QRZ.COM. Make sure your address is your current QTH, and a current email address is useful. I often check my QSOs against QRZ to catch possible blown calls, and I enjoy seeing a picture of you and reading a bit about you and your location – and not just your radio activities.

2. Please sign up for Logbook of the World, and use it. It is a wonderful way to confirm contacts without cost. I also have a manager (a good one: Gert K5WW) for QSL cards, but I wish everyone (especially other DX) would register with LoTW.

I hope the view from my end will help some of the less-experienced hunters. For the others, help is not needed. I have a thick skin and don’t take myself too seriously, so you needn’t worry about hurting my feelings! 73 and good DX,

Steve Haines, ZP9EH/W9CPI

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DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by AC0IV on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
AMEN! I operate in Greenland as OX3UR and upload my logs at least weekly to LoTw. It's easy and it is free! I also do the same for my stateside call!

73

Dennis OX3UR
Greenland
 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by N5JFJ on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"Thanks Steve" and thank you for the time it took for you to write and SHARE, this kind of TRUTH...With all of us!
Very Good DX - 73 - God Bless...
N5JFJ - Jerry
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by KY6R on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent - and refreshing - learning the POV of the DX.
 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by K6YE on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,

Great article!

Some other helpful hints for the calling (non DX) station are:

1. LISTEN, LISTEN, and Listen some more.
2. UR CALL? If you do not know, listen-listen-listen.
3. The inability of the calling station to send PSE QRS. Do not be vain.

Keep up the good work.

Semper Fi,

Tommy - K6YE
DX IS

 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by KK9H on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
What a truly wonderful and well written perspective from the other end of a DX QSO. I have always enjoyed putting out a CQ on the bottom of the band hoping a DX station would give me a call. I hope I hear from Steve someday.
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by KB9BIT on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the tips. I would be interested in seeing some tips on direct QSLing from a DX station's perspective.

I also completely agree on LoTW. I've never been able to understand why some people have no trouble at all setting it up while others just can't seem to get it to work. I had no trouble at all setting it up on two different computers. And it saves lots of time and money in getting QSLs.

73
 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by WA8MEA on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Our family and business will be moving to Fargo, ND by year's end.

I've been sitting here wondering what it will be like being a ham in one of the more rare states of our fifty.

Being in Michigan, I've never been involved in a pile-up. So I will have to learn the ropes of that situation along with how to be patient.

One question I do have: When it comes to my award chasing like Worked All Counties and WAS endorsements, do I have to start all over again since I would be located in a new state?

I really don't think it will take much to "catch up" since my QTH will be the semi-rare state of North Dakota. However, I sure hope I don't have to go back through and pick up all of those other counties and/or states once again.

73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
tinytenna@hotmail.com
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by KE3HO on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
If you are a US ham calling a DX station who is running a frequency, LISTEN FIRST! You should listen for a couple of exchanges so you know what "mode of operation" the DX station is working BEFORE you transmit ANYTHING. Before you throw your call out there, you should already know the DX stations call and have an idea of what he is expecting from you (e.g. signal report, qth, and a TU, or is he having brief ragchews with most ops?).

There is no excuse for a US ham calling a DX station and having to ask him to repeat his call if he has been running a frequency. If you are dialing around the band and all you catch is a prefix that you think you might need, LISTEN. Don't just jump in throwing your call around.

If the guy is having minimal exchanges, don't try to ragchew with him. If he is ragchewing, wait PATIENTLY and listen. Don't jump into a ragchew to try to get a "quick one" for the logbook.

Maybe most importantly, assume that the DX station is on the air and working ops for HIS OWN benefit and satisfaction, not YOURS, and treat him accordingly.

73 - Jim
 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by K4LJA on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Stephen;
I'm not an avid DX'er, but I sure enjoyed your nice writing style and the complete article. I might start getting that DX itch --- who knows. Thanks -- randy K4LJA in Louisiana
 
Good advice  
by KL7AJ on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the insight, Steve.

The only time I came close to being hot DX was back in 1988 when 10 meters opened up. I worked lots of guys who had "been on the air for 40 years and never heard a KL7 before." I really found that pretty hard to believe, but considering the size of the pileup, it had to be true. The only way I could thin out the crowd was to ask for calls by state....I got 10 meter WAS in about 20 minutes that way, by the way!

It was a fond memory. I don't think I've heard a signal on 10 SINCE then, though!

eric
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by WD6S on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
As a relative newbie, I appreciate the treatise here. I learned some good tips. But the admonishment to "Listen, Listen, LISTEN!" first is the lesson I have learned as the first and essential rule. Listen to a couple of QSOs to get the information exchange requirements, and listen to hear of the caller is specifying a split. In the big pileups, especially for the special DX stations, this is a common practice.

Thanks for the tips from the other side of the DX.
 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by AH6FC on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great article! Mahalo.

To the non-dx, please LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN. If you don't know who the dx is, listen until you have their call.

73, AH6FC
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by AB5ZJ on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I really enjoyed your article from your perspective. Most informative, and helpful. Great work.

73
Tom - AB5ZJ
 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by G0GQK on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Only one problem ! If everybody is doing all this listening, and nobody is doing any of that CQ'ing, then everybody will think the band is dead.!

G0GQK
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by AG0A on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I agree, listen, listen, and if he ask up, do it or ask another ham how to work split. Great article.

73 de Galen
AG0A
 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by K5WQG on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great article Steve.
Been waiting for someone to say this for a long time.
Hope ALL read this.
THANK YOU - THANK YOU !!!
 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by N0AH on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Good article for the QST Opinion page.
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by K5YF on March 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
AG0A,

I'll bite. How do DX stations usually run split? Seems to me they pretty much do whatever they feel like doing :)

Depending on how crowded the band is at the time, and their frequency allocation, don't they usually listen up 2 or 5? I've found this to be the case at times (at the bottom of the bands), but it isn't set in stone... er... more like set in coax seal.

What about working split with a voice mode? Is there a convention to follow?

-Brandon
-N5JYK
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by N6HPX on March 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Alot of good points and have worked DX from my home station in the Philippines as well. As DX to DX its fun. Also yes they do listen at times 5 up or 5 down and they usually mention this either directly or through a spotter at times.

Nice comments Steve..and Thanks

Larry ,n6hpx/du1
Philippines
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by ES2REV on March 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Do whatever they feel like doing is correct, usally
5 up working gray line.

 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by AH6FC on March 16, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
You know, you're right! Funny how the bands seem dead for days-on-end, then along comes a contest...boom! I guess there is a limit on the amount of listening, hi hi.
 
RE: DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by N6HPX on March 18, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I have noticed it too when I was overseas, always called CQ for any one Stateside and never a reply except when there is a contest or a dx net running. Seems to have vanish at times. And they blame the band conditions which isnt always the case.
 
DXing from an Overseas Perspective  
by K6CT on March 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Steve,
Great article. I also 'share' Gert, K5WW as QSL mgr as I am CX7TT.
Just a couple of additional points and observations. You covered etiquette very well so I will address 'how to work us' and my hot buttons.
When in the 'contest mode' I have N1MM programmed to send my call after each exchange. I find it very rude for someone to ask CL? as it indicates that they just showed up from a packet spot and consider their time more valuable than everyone else on freq...and why is their signal always 20 over 9? HI.
In SSB split ops, typically "UP" is a min of 5kc as it allows the pileup to hear me and not be covered by some guy with bad audio and super wide signal. If you stumble across me at 14195 and working guys you can not hear, it's a good indication that split ops is in progress. Go up 5 and if you hear guys, tune higher to see how wide the pileup may be, etc.
On cw, I start on freq and if the pileup grows unwieldy, I will send "UP"; I dont say how much as the savvy guys will figure it out. I typically listen up 1 or 2. If I am in 'control' i.e., working about 3 or 4 guys per minute, just send your call once, otherwise you will not hear who I come back to and just create QRM.
Finally, try to be 'different'; this mainly applies to cw but move around in the pileup and work the edges if QRP or low power. Once when on Wake Island a friend recorded my pileup for 40 minutes. There was a WA8 who called repeatedly, I never worked him as he was outside of my bandpass and he never moved his VFO.
I will have my beam/tower up in May so look for me in WPX cw contest as CW7T.
To everyone, tnx for making the effort to work us DX guys as it makes for a lot of fun.
73
Tom CX7TT
 
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