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An X-O Polarimeter
Eric P. Nichols (KL7AJ)
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A (Relatively) Simple H.F. Polarimeter
Here's a more advanced project than some of the others I have written about, but still within the capability of any competent home constructor. It's certainly different from anything you've ever built, but not any harder.
With this instrument, you will be able to prove to yourself something that's been known by ionospheric scientists for many decades, but still denied (or ignored) by most of the amateur radio community: that ALL ionospheric H.F. signals are circularly polarized.
About a decade ago, I wrote an article in QEX called “How the Ionosphere REALLY Works” and had a clever subtitle “Gimme an X, Gimme an O, What's that spell? RADIO!”
Well, it's just as true now as when I wrote it, but you will be hard pressed to find ANY amateur literature that mentions X and O mode propagation. You will be able to settle the question once and for all in your very own home, with my simple polarimeter, which will easily show you whether an incoming signal is clockwise circular (O-mode in the northern hemisphere) or counterclockwise circular (X-mode in the northern hemisphere). To keep things simple, this device will be fixed tuned to WWV, either, 10 or 15 MHZ. (If you like, you can modify it to be tunable, as long as you aware of the calibration requirements in doing so).
The point here is not to go into great detail on the actual plasma physics involved in the polarization conversion of the ionosphere. It's fairly complicated and not necessary to understanding and taking advantage of the end results here on the ground. We simply want to show that it not only exists, but that it always exists. You will stun and amaze yourself! You will also see the fallacy of some amateur rhetoric that the polarization of H.F. is somehow scrambled along the path. No, it is not scrambled, it is cleanly divided into two different propagation paths, one being X-mode and one being O-mode. What IS being scrambled is your knowledge of which of the two signals you're actually receiving! This device will tell you!
Because it's a little awkward to send attachments on this particular forum, I will instead direct you to another site where you can download schematics and block diagrams. However, using my finely-honed command of the English language, you should be fairly able to figure out the basics by description alone. (Ahem).
The most expensive part of this project is a good 20-30 MHz oscilloscope, with a well-matched X-Y plot capability. You may have to beg borrow or steal a scope to do this, but you can also make this a club project, and split the cost, if you don't have a good scope on hand. The bandwidth of the scope isn't too demanding, but you NEED to be able to get a nice straight diagonal line with a 15MHZ signal simultaneously applied to the X and Y channels. In fact, this test is the first step of the overall calibration process.
The “ears” of this project is a simple circular polarized (CPOL) crossed dipole. If you have the room to put up a full-sized 15 (or 10) MHZ dipole, more power to you, but it's certainly not necessary. My own version uses four 4-foot Fiberglas CB whips). In fact, it's MUCH easier to get the phasing just right if the antennas are NOT anywhere near resonant, as long as both of them are identical. Even more wonderful, we don't have to do anything tricky to get the 90 degree phase shift normally necessary for a CPOL antenna...the X-Y oscilloscope does that all for you!
As we work our way through the project, keep in mind that nothing is critical except the MATCHING between the two channels. I want to avoid calling them the “vertical” and “horizontal” channels, because we're actually going to erect our antenna with both dipoles at 45 degrees to the horizon (but 90 degrees to each other). This is so that neither dipole favors vertical polarization; it will allow us to “calibrate out” any error. So...physically speaking, your antenna will be an “X” instead of a cross. Another reason we do this is that we will bring our two coaxial cables directly down from the feedpoint, any unintentional coupling to the antennas will be equal. We do want to use two matched high-isolation choke baluns for this, however. Since there is minuscule power, you can use some really high permeability beads here, achieving lots of decoupling without having to worry about power loss.
This is such a clever design; I wish I'd thought of it myself. However, someone beat me to it by a few decades, for use in remote frequency monitors for broadcast stations. What we need is a receiver that contributes no frequency change during the process. Actually we need TWO of them. YIKES! How can one pull THAT off?
Real simple. We build a superhet receiver, using a crystal oscillator to convert the signal to a low, highly selective I.F., and then using the VERY SAME local oscillator to convert that I.F. back up to where we were! VOILA! Any error in the oscillator is cancelled out. In our particular application, we will use the same local oscillator for BOTH receivers.
If we're super careful about matching our receivers, the phase difference going through the I.F. amplifiers should be minimal, but we have made provisions for final tweaking of phase during the calibration process.
For this receiver design (which is also negotiable) I've chosen a 100KHz I.F. just because I just happened to have a couple of 100 KC calibration crystals lying around from the Dark Ages. These things make wonderful, sharp, single pole I.F. filters. The only downside of this is that I had to build a 15.1 MHz local oscillator from scratch. If you pick an L.O. frequency that happens to be in a ham band, you can use your H.F. transmitter (with appropriate power reduction and/or padding) as your local oscillator. For the up and downconverters, I use very cheap MiniCircuits labs DBMs (doubly balanced mixers). These are passive devices that can handle quite a bit of drive. If you run your transmitter through 4:1 splitter (another MiniCircuits device, in my particular case) you probably don't have to worry about torching the things if you inadvertently pump a watt or so out of your rig.
Actually, ANY I.F. that gives you adequate gain and selectivity for your particular location will work fine. You just need to be able to distinguish WWV from the cacophony, which isn't too hard, most of the time. Again, it's not the specs; it's the MATCH that matters. Whatever you do, do it EXACTLY twice. And of course that includes the lengths of your transmission lines from your antenna halves.
Now, with just what we have assembled up to this point, we can demonstrate the circularity of incoming signals. In other words, if we were to lash our antenna, our receiver and our oscilloscope together (one receiver into each of the scope's inputs) we would see an ellipse on the oscilloscope of the WWV signal, demonstrating non-linear polarization. However, we are still missing one ingredient, though. We have not addressed the phase ambiguity. In other words, we know it's circular, but we don't know if it's right-hand or left-hand. This requires one more 90 degree phase shift in the mix. After going through all that excruciating effort to make sure everything matches, phase wise, we're going to screw it all up with an I.Q. switch. (I.Q. in this case is not Intelligence Quotient, but In phase and Quadrature). We need to intentionally shift the phases of our signals by precisely 90 degrees. Over a wide range of frequencies, this is rather difficult; at ONE frequency, it's extraordinarily simple. Let's do the latter, shall we?
A simple R.C network does the trick for us. We also want to be able to flop this thing by 180 degrees so we can select X or O modes. (See schematic).
Now, at this time, I'd like to address your attention to the WWV website:
There you'll find all kinds of great information on their antenna system(s). You'll see they use ideal vertical radiators, and very tightly controlled ERP. I recommend you peruse the entire web site.
Now, the following discussion assumes you're outside the WWV groundwave signal. If not, you will want to use WWVH. Or, if you're in Hawaii, you definitely want to use the “mainland” signal.
We want to perform the final calibration one of two ways. We either want to pick a time when propagation from WWV totally sucks. Or we can use a couple of matched high-loss attenuators. We recommend the latter.
We will also need a 15 MHZ signal generator of some sort, and a reference vertical antenna directly in front of our dipole some distance. This antenna can be any short whip, but it should be well isolated from its transmission line. Even BETTER though, is to build a little battery powered oscillator in a box with a whip on top, thus entirely eliminating the possibility of transmission line radiation.
Proceed as follows. Insert enough R.F. attenuation so that you can no longer see WWV on your scope. Turn on your test transmitter. Adjust the gain of your receivers for a match, as indicated by a 45 degree line across the scope screen. Flip the “X-O” switch. The 45 degree line should lean the other way (also by 45 degrees). In both cases, you should have a nice straight line. If you see an ellipse, you need to adjust the IQ phasing. You may have to alternate between the phasing and channel gains. (Also, be sure your scope itself is capable! When in doubt, plug your generator directly into your scope ports with a simple splitter.
If all is A-OK, remove your attenuators and your test generator. You should now see WWV in all its glory. It may be a circle, it may be an ellipse; it may be an ellipse that ROLLS slowly like a spun coin. The axial ratio of the ellipse may change.
Now, flip your X-O switch. You should still see an ellipse of some sort but the amplitude will likely be different. MOST of the time, the larger signal will be the O-mode. If you consistently see one mode stronger than the other, you can with reasonable confidence, label that the O-mode on your switch.
Here's one further embellishment you might try. It will require the addition of one more phase flipper switch, so you can look at both the X and O mode signals simultaneously with a dual-trace oscilloscope. (You'll lose the ellipticity function, but that's okay) If you observe WWV's time clicks (assuming you have enough I.F. bandwidth to SEE them!) you will see a noticeable delay of the X mode click after the 0-mode click. This is because the critical height of the X-mode signal is always higher than the O-mode signal. (This is also a good confirmation of your X-O switch label).
I really encourage anyone who can build this to do so. It will open up entire new realms of understanding for you, whether you're new to H.F. or an old timer.
(Feel free to email me at kl7aj@acsalaska.net)
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by KW4N on April 30, 2008
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Excellent article. Re: X's and O's: I'll just take your word on their existance.
DaveB
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by VE6CNU on April 30, 2008
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This sounds fascinating, but I'm curious as to the applications of such knowledge. For example, are most signals predominately X or O in the northern hemisphere? What if the signals originate in the southern hemisphere? Does the type of transmitting antenna determine X/O, i.e., verticals vs. horizontal dipoles? And what about cubical quads or inverted vees? If one orientation usually appears stronger than the other, should we take this into account when designing our receive antennas? And one last question... can we reduce QSB further by not only phasing antennas properly but taking into account the direction of circular polarization? Sorry for so many questions, but you started it!
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by N2KFC on April 30, 2008
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Get LINRAD SDR...you can do this very easy in software !!!
Take a look:
http://www.nitehawk.com/sm5bsz/linuxdsp/linrad.htm
73!
John/N2KFC,SP2GGZ,YB1AQV,
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by N2KFC on April 30, 2008
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SM 5 BSZ - Electronic Polarisation Control :
http://www.nitehawk.com/sm5bsz/polarity/polroot.htm
73!
John/N2KFC,SP2GGZ,YB1AQV,
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by K6AER on April 30, 2008
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In the use of your dual receivers for the X and Y phase (you call it O phase) you will need to have both the first LO and the second LO fed to both receivers from a single source in order to have the receivers outputs to be phase coherent. This is necessary to remove system variables.
Also the ground reflection will effect the phase of the receiver antennas because one antenna to have a different major lobe over the other. About the only way to mitigate this problem is to mount the antenna very high, several wavelength above the ground. The ground reflection will affect the derived signal strength depending on patterns.
Now the question is if the signal is circular in nature which polarization twist is the signal. The two dipoles will need to be 90 degree out of phase for one rotation or 90 degrees lead or lag in twist for the other rotation to optimizes the receive signal. These are all variables and this is at the hands of mother nature.
Most important is not that you can observe the polarization shift in the signal but how to use the developed recovery of the signal to improve your receive signal.
We have no way to obtain a consistent circular polarization on HF which is the goal in any endeavor to improve the communication path. This is due in part to:
• Ionosphere reflection is not consistent, and the advantages of circular polarization are lost.
• The polarization of signals will lead or lag in phase due to path changes and is not consistent.
• You’re receive antenna cannot be mounted high enough on HF to mitigate ground reflection which distorts your arrival of phase.
• In that the transmit antenna is only transmitting one polarization and polarization rotation and shift is random at best.
• In most reflection bounce of HF signals the horizontal reflection bounce is most phase coherent and as a result the horizontal signals generally arrives with the least amount of distortion. This is why most beams used on HF prefer the horizontal polarization. Yes I know that horizontal beams are easier to mount on a tower but if vertical/horizontal rotational polarization was worth the effort, DXer’s would be spending thousands to recover the last few dB with cross polarized beams.
You are much better off to locate the second antenna further up the tower and combine the receiver outputs via a DSP processor for better recovered audio. Although the experiment is interesting to observe propagation characteristics, the observed display is of little use in the goal to improve communication
All this is a lot of work when the easier path to C/N signal improvement is just to upgrade your antenna system with;
• More antenna gain in the desired direction.
• In most cases increased antenna height.
• Low loss cable.
• Better DSP audio recovery.
None the less it was an interesting article, well done Eric.
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by KL7AJ on April 30, 2008
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CNU:
The short answer to your queries is "all of the above". As a general rule, the X mode is a little more lossy than the O mode. (The sense of X and O is reversed in the southern hemisphere, but the definition remains the same). There is also horizontal (azimuth) skewing between the O ray and the X ray. Proper use of circular polarized antennas will actually allow you to re-use frequencies....very important on our crowded bands.
Eric
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by KL7AJ on April 30, 2008
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AER:
Currently the most universal application of X and O discrimination is in ionosondes...where it has been standard practice for 70 years. Of course, all the conditions you mention are mitigated with vertical incidence signals. But they are actually MUCH easier to take advantage than one might expect, especially here in Alaska, where we have quite a few experimenters working on this. If you look at a real time ionogram, you can see how well defined the X and O mode signals are: http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/digisonde/latest.cgi
They are even further separated if you look at Millstone Hill, in Massachussetts, for instance. And at LOW angles of radiation the disparity between the X mode and O mode path length is even greater, as simple geometry will show.
Eric
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by WW5AA on April 30, 2008
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Interesting, but brings up more questions than it answers. Based on US Air Force and NASA studies an error in a radio direction-finder bearing or the course indicated by a radio beacon is caused by a change in the polarization of the radio waves between the transmitter and receiver on being reflected from the ionosphere. On rare occasion it was determined that an accidental circular or elliptical wave was measured.
The polarization of the propagated wave is determined initially by the type and arrangement of the transmitting antenna. As a rule, a vertical conductor radiates a vertically polarized wave. A horizontal conductor radiates a horizontally polarized wave. More complex forms, such as circular and elliptical polarization, in which the direction of maximum voltage rotates in space at the frequency of transmission, are also possible. These complex waves are only generated by special antennas (e.g., a helix antenna), or may be developed accidentally when linearly polarized waves pass through non-uniform media in the ionosphere.
In general, a wave propagating perpendicular to the earth’s magnetic field will have components of the electric field both parallel and perpendicular to the magnetic field. Such a wave in the ionosphere will splits into two refracted waves that travel different paths with different time delays. The process is termed magno-atomic splitting. The waves are called the ordinary and the extraordinary wave. Many times this type of wave is measured incorrectly as a circularly polarized wave.
Sorry, but in my humble opinion, optics has very little to do with electromagnetic polarization.
73 de Lindy
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by N2KFC on April 30, 2008
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SM5BSZ-An SSB signal on 7 MHz received with two orthogonal antennas
http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:DrVQARqfFkkJ:www.nitehawk.com/sm5bsz/linuxdsp/usage/ssbpwr.htm+LINRAD+7MHZ+POLARIZATION&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
73!
John/SP2GGZ,N2KFC,YB1AQV,
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by AC7CW on April 30, 2008
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something similar could be done with a horizontally mounted loop antenna and a rotator. As the loop is rotated relative to the signal source it's polarization changes from horizontal to vertical. Of course there is also a deep null thrown into the mix when you rotate it to a broadside orientation........
Instead of seeing both polarities evidenced on the scope you would hear changes in reception as you rotated the antenna.
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by AC7CW on April 30, 2008
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oops, that was supposed to say "vertically mounted loop.. "
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by KL7AJ on April 30, 2008
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CW:
This method still won't allow you to discriminate circular polarization....only linear vertical or linear horizontal.
eric
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by KL7AJ on April 30, 2008
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ww5aa:
You bring up a very good point...in fact, one that Mike Trimpi of Cornell has been working on for quite a while...the direction of arrival/polarization ambiguity. You MUST know the direction of arrival to accurately determine the polarization. And, you must know the polarization to determine the angle of arrival. These have to be determined independently...the real trick is to do it with one antenna...which may not be possible.
But the divergent paths you describe are exactly what we see on the ionosondes.
All this merits more experimentation...something quite new all us hams can work on!
eric
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by KI5BC on April 30, 2008
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Thank you for this excellent article. I really enjoy physics aspect of the hobby. Satisfies a deep need for logical thought and lab skills. The elegance of using a single LO for both recievers and the down-to-IF-up-to-rf is genius! I love simple, well thought out exercises like that. Thanks for getting the juices flowing for yet another piece of gear I want to experiment with. (And you do have an ability to explain in engrish that works. No *ahem* required!)
de....Rynn
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by KI5BC on April 30, 2008
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PS Did I miss the / whats that website addy? tnks...de...Rynn
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by KL7AJ on April 30, 2008
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Howdy......sorry about the "missing link." I submitted this article quite a while back and made a lot of changes on my web site since then. I'll have the real scoop with even more schematics/blocks this weekend.
Several folks have developed SDR methods of doing this as well....even slicker than my original design.
Stay tuned! (literally!)
eric
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by AC7CW on April 30, 2008
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That dang SDR stuff is everywhere!! Makes me feel like an old timer or something.....
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by W6TH on April 30, 2008
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I played with this years ago using a conical spiral cone antenna, rotated, it was a government project, noting new to people interested in communication work, but not much use for the ham radio operators unless they want to do some experimentation and have the time and money to do so.
For years, I have been using two Icom 718 transceivers, one vertical antenna and the other horizontal antenna, it was fun to hear the selective fade and the change of polarized signals. X and O when understood will also give you oh's and ah's.
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by W8JI on April 30, 2008
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One serious flaw in all of this.
A horizontal antenna like a dipole does NOT radiate a horizontally polarized signal except directly broadside to the antenna. As the reference point moves from directly broadside towards a dipole end the polarization increasingly tilts more and more towards vertical.
Any calibration in a measurement system would only hold true for the azimuthal and elevation point where the calibration was made in reference to the antenna.
A much better system would be a small horizontal loop antenna, which would be horizontally polarized at any angle or direction.
A vertical small loop, being the compliment of a dipole, would only have vertical polarization directly off the radial plane of the loop. As the reference point is moved towards the the axis of the loop, or if the elevation angle is high, the loop radiates with an increased tilt from vertical.
The best all around antenna would be a small loop with a vertical dipole in the center directly through the axis of the loop.
It is incorrect to say a small vertical loop has vertical polarization and a horizonal wire has horizonal polarization unless we qualify the exact reference point, and that point is selected to be the polarization we are describing.
Unless we get our heads around how the antenna actually behaves we can fool ourselves.
Again, a perfect dipole only has true horizontal polarization exactly broadside to the dipole. At other positions the wave remains a single polarization, but it tilts. The tilt increases until vertical response peaks in directions near the antenna end, at which point it can be perfectly vertical.
A vertical small loop is only vertically polarized at low angles directly off the radius of the loop. As we move towards the axis the polarization becomes tilted more and more towards horizontal. If we move up it is tilted or leaned back towards the antenna at the wave top. For NVIS operation a vertical small loop is horizontally polarized and it radiates straight up with horizontal polarization just fine.
There is nothing new about the slow Faraday rotation of signals propagated via the ionosphere. It doesn't matter much to Hams because there isn't really any practical way to deal with it. We live with the slow fades caused by the slow rotation, which by the way is NOT circular polarization. It is generally a very slow rotation, not a circular polarization.
It is however a great boon to advertisers who sell snake oil antennas that are said to be dual polarization.
73 Tom
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by KD4LLA on April 30, 2008
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Your article is not properly formatted or I need a second monitor...
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by AC7CW on May 1, 2008
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Here is a good write-up on the idea of diversity reception, it's not related to the article above directly but it is in that direction. It's more about multipath variations in polarization. This ham uses the two receivers in his rig but he doesn't sum the signals in the radio, he brings them out to the two sides of his headphones. Maybe if we did that we could get a better feel for conditions??
http://www.angelfire.com/md/k3ky/page63.html
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by W8JI on May 1, 2008
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There is an old page on my website that talks a little about my diversity receivers:
http://www.w8ji.com/polarization_and_diversity.htm
There are also sound recordings in stereo.
This is NOT polarization diversity, it is spatial diversity. Virtually all HF systems use spatial diversity, not polarization diversity. That's where the big return is.
73 Tom
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Not Just an Alaskan thing :)
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by KL7AJ on May 1, 2008
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I like to post ionograms from different parts of the world, since some people have suggested that this X O divergence is just an Alaskan phenomenon. Here's one from Millstone Hill, MA. Notice there's almost a 1.5 MHZ difference between the X and O critical frequencies. (X is the green trace, O is the red trace.
Eric
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by KL7AJ on May 1, 2008
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http://ulcar.uml.edu/digisonde_dps.html
Here's the link to the Lowell Digisonde people. There's a pretty good intro to X and O mode origination. This is not merely Faraday rotatation as has been suggested, but BIREFRINGENCE. Faraday rotation is the slow rotation of the plane of a wave, but it's still a linear wave after the fact. On the other hand X and O modes are true circular polarized waves, discriminable (or is that discriminatable) only by the use of right or left hand CPOL antennas.
eric
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by KL7AJ on May 1, 2008
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Here's an ionogram from Jicamarca, Peru. Since this location is much closer to the magnetic equator, notice that the X and O traces (green and red) nearly overlap each other. This is actually much more the exception than the rule.
http://digisonde.igp.gob.pe/cgi-bin/UniSearch.exe?Data=1&Column=3&Row=5&Width=-1&ImageOrder=descending&Page=1&SelectedPic=/IonoGIF/JI91J_2008122210000_IO.PNG
Eric
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And finallly
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by KL7AJ on May 1, 2008
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http://digisonde.oma.be/IonoGIF/DB049_2008119124505.GIF
One from Belgium....pretty typical of much of Europe....fair amount of X and O divergence, but not as extreme as the Arctic. What we observe here on over-the-pole signals from Europe,, which the ionogram doesn't show, however, is a HUGE divergence in azimuth between the X and the O modes...neither of which follow the great circle route!
Eric
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by KL7AJ on May 1, 2008
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Rynn:
Thanks. :) As I mentioned above, I wish that double conversion idea was my own, but I just stole it. And indeed, this whole X and O business is nothing new either; it's established fact in the plasma physics community, and has been for over half a century. In fact these conditions can be readily duplicated in a plasma chamber.
By the way...it's really not too hard to build a vertical incident sounder to demonstrate all this. The Digisonde is a pricey piece of hardware, but most of that is for the averaging, weak signal processing, and display . It can be done with 100 watts and a dipole for a transmitter (with a simple pulse modulator), when absorption is fairly low. And you can easily build a switchable CPOL antenna for a single frequency. A Pair of crossed dipoles on 40 meters with a 90 degree phasing stub (and a reversing switch) does the trick. It's best to use vertical incidence to prove the principle, but it can be easily extrapolated to low angle signals.
Even without a CPOL antenna, however, you can receive both the X and O mode signals, using just a dipole. A dipole will receive clockwise or counterclockwise signals arriving broadside just as well, (it's always correctly polarized!) so you will see both signals, separated a little in time. Sometimes you can actually hear the double click, but it's best observed with an oscilloscope. However, if you DO have a CPOL antenna, you will see a 3db increase in gain of the desired mode signal, and nearly total cancellation of the "wrong" mode signal. In practice, we can usually get about a 45 dB rejection of the opposite rotation signal.
But don't take my word for it...build one and see! This is what ham radio is all about!
Eric
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by W8JI on May 2, 2008
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Eric,
I looked at those links. Can you post a link to a place where they talk about actual circular polarization from low wave angle signals like we use for communications?
73 Tom
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by KL7AJ on May 3, 2008
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Hi Tom;
Here's a link to an experiment I was part of, ages ago. There are a couple of Navy links as well, which I'll have to track down.
http://www.ann-geophys.net/22/1705/2004/angeo-22-1705-2004.pdf
Also....if you can get it, it's worth whatever you have to pay to get this book...well, almost. "Radio Waves in the Ionosphere" by K.G. Budden, Cambridge University Press. It's the definitive work on this. Budden did a lot of work on azimuth skewing of X and O modes.
Eric
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RE: An X-O Polarimeter
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by KL7AJ on May 3, 2008
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http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0872518
Here's one of the navy extract links. I'm not sure how to get the full article without a subscription. Sounds like an interesting antenna though.
eric
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RE: An X-O Polarimeter
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by KL7AJ on May 3, 2008
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Tom:
Here's an actual commercial product. A bit of a surprise!
Eric
http://www.antennaproducts.com/ht30detail.html
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RE: An X-O Polarimeter
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by WA2JJH on May 16, 2008
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I only use MFJ's extra virgin Snake Oil. Accept no substitutes! :)
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RE: An X-O Polarimeter
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by WA2JJH on May 16, 2008
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I only use MFJ's extra virgin Snake Oil. Accept no substitutes! :)
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