N2Y / N2J Special Event with a Hitch!
eric j cuevas (N2RRA)
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March 17, 2008
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N2Y and N2J will be the Special Event call signs used for this year's special event honoring the precious lives that were lost and giving thanks to the world that stood by us in time of need while this tragic event shattered lives throughout the globe. Let us not forget the lives that were taken during the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. This is for them as well!
We will be operating from a very special location not many know about. Operations will commence on Sept. 11 at 0000UTC and will be a multi-operator event. Operating bands will be:
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10m } Short periods of time unless bands open!
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17m } Will be concentrating the most!
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160m } Tentative!
Now the Hitch!
We want this Special Event to be very very special, so we will be asking a huge request from the Amateur Radio Broadcasting Community.
We ask that during our operations on Sept. 11 at 13:50 UTC there is 30 seconds of silence. This was the time the South Tower had fallen.
The next 30 seconds of silence will take place at 14:38 UTC, in which the North Tower had followed.
This will mean that for each 30 second interval the bands will go silent. Each moment of silence will be just that. Just 60 seconds of your time out of the year.
I know this will be a difficult task for many and not many will understand the importance and the meaning behind it, but this day can not be forgotten nor taken lightly. We ask ourselves, can we as a community bond together for this important day and show restraint from the things that are not as important than the life that is so precious to us not to take for granted. The same way we pause and hold our breath for the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve and cheer at a spur of the moment, can we do the same and pay our respects and honor the dead.
I hope that we can!
A web sight will be posted soon which will have video and pictures of the operations with furthur information. Special QSL cards will be made for this event and will not regret the time working us and receiving this unique QSL card paying tribute not only too our dead, but to the Heros that risked their lives as well.
Thank You and 73!
N2RRA and W2WP
Coordinators
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N2Y / N2J Special Event with a Hitch!
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by N2NOV on March 18, 2008
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Eric and Mark,
As the DEC for NYC at the time of the WTC attack on 9/11/2001, I want to say thank you for setting this up in the memory of all of those lost in 2001 and 1993 ( I worked a block away in 1993). The members of NYC-ARECS (NYC Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Service - www.nyc-arecs.org) train and serve with the memory of working with the various agencies and NGOs during the few weeks after the collapses. Let's get some noise on the bands and not let these terrible events fade from memory. Again, thank you.
Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
NYC-ARECS President
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There are limits to everything.
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by AI2IA on March 18, 2008
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Commemorative stations for the World Trade Center Attacks are all well and good. My second oldest son escaped with his life that day. He was in Tower One at the time it was hit.
However, there are limits to memorializing. In my opinion, radio silence even for a few second goes beyond those limits.
Amateur radio service is used for emergency purposes. Distress calls involving the safety of human life can and do come across the amateur bands.
Would anyone ask that their fire, police, and rescue services be completely shut down and immobiized for sixty seconds to memorialize any tragedy?
This would set a bad precedent.
I would prefer sixty seconds worth of additional gunfire or bombing of those who rejoice at this tragedy than crippling the amateur service for sixty seconds. This is my firm opinion. We must show the enemy that we look forward with vigilance, and not excessively backward with sorrow.
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RE: There are limits to everything.
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by N2RRA on March 18, 2008
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AI2IA,
"In my opinion, radio silence even for a few second goes beyond those limits."
Comments are all well and good, but this is a very bold statement.
Therefore, where is it written or said that there are limits to memoralizing?
We all have moved on to attend to our every day responsibilities, but for some that didn't have the opportunity to hold, touch, look and say "I love you" to those lives that were lost, you never just forget and you never just move on. You obviously can't relate...fortunate you!
Come September 11th, the next time over at Ground Zero when people are paying respects and have their moment of silence, at the same time would we try telling them there is a limit to memoralizing?
"Would anyone ask that their fire, police and rescue services be completely shut down and immobilized for sixty seconds to memoralize any tragedy?"
Not the same!
Your obviously confused what Amateur Radio Broadcasting, Amateur Radio services and Civil Service jobs are. ARES and RACES are "not" Civil Service jobs. We offer our volunteer services, but we do not fall into the same category. We are activated when needed. Police, Fire Department and EMS Services are required 24/7 and 365 days a year.
Are we? No!
Now lets get real! We are in no way, shape or form crippling Amateur Radio. You can make believe like your on standby call for the next disater, but really until then while at that same time your doing absolutely nothing, my crew and I will have a multi station set up with all the gear found on Field Day, with some home brewed and factory equipment not only paying our respects, but showing real Amateur Radio service in progress.
Thank you for your comments!
73!
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RE: There are limits to everything.
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by KD7QLU on March 18, 2008
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Actually, as an active law enforcement officer we have on several occasions conducted a moment of silence on the radio. I think it's a great idea.
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Not the place for silence - ever!
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by AI2IA on March 19, 2008
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Memorialize all you want. Without excess, it is a good and noble thing to do.
A life or more can hang in the balance in one second.
The radio waves are not the place to maintain silence, even for one second - ever!
I almost lost my second oldest son that day at the WTC. Many close friends were lost. You bury the dead, if you can. You pray for the dead, if you believe. You memorialize the dead on occasion to remember, but you do not disrupt. You do not impose. You do not jepordize safety by taking memorialization too far.
One dropped distres call, one life in the balance lost, one disaster not averted -
When all else fails - amateur radio EXCEPT FOR MEMORIALIZATION? No.
One second is one second too much.
Be content with commerorative stations and numerous contacts. Vigilance is the greater blessing!
There is no need to make my message more clear.
Those with common sense will understand my message.
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RE: Not the place for silence - ever!
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by N2RRA on March 19, 2008
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There's always one!
Sir, this is not about RACES, Red Cross, ARES, or any other Emmcomm service so please stop trying to make this about that. What this all is starting to sound like is your own personal agenda, issues, and feelings. Please be sensative and logical!
We are not going to miss a distress signal, because logically we would be always ready to react to a distress call. Logic! if someone screams help what would your first reaction be? If we recieve an S.O.S. in CW or phone what do you think peoples reaction would be? Please think logical! We will always be ready to react in time of need. This is what we do aside from enjoying our hobby which it is based on. Not just Emmcomm!
In an e-mail you sent me you spoke about "Peace through vigilance and discipline. Peace through superior fire power. Peace through educating our youth
and foreign new comers in the wisdom of our constitution , and finally peace through electing goverment leaders of moral integrety."
You speak of words like vigilance, superior fire power, bombing, shooting, morals, integrity, peace and education. The only words we see eye to eye on are peace, education, morals, and integrity. If we react like them by rejoiceing with bombs and shooting that would make us no different than them and things will not change. I'm not going to say I'm an angel, but when will it all stop? Violence with violence just plays into what they want therefore giveing them more ammunition. Not by paying respects to our dead and memoralizing them. Do you think they don't do the same. Of course they do!
What kind of morals are you educating your kids with by justifying things like "I'd rather rejoice in bombing and shooting for those few seconds"? I wouldn't want my kids being educated by you. No disrespect!
Speaking of Morals and Integrity!
Morals: -adjective; of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principals or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical:
Integrity: is the basing of one's actions on an internally consistent framework of principles. Depth of principles and adherence of each level to the next are key determining factors. One is said to have integrity to the extent that everything one does and believes is based on the same core set of values. While those values may change, it is their consistency with each other and with the person's actions that determine the person's integrity.
I don't think we are imposeing anything on anyone, because anyone that has morals and integrity understands what we are attempting to do. The ones without will continue to do has they please. Nor I or anybody will have the power to prevent them from continuing to operate. We on the other hand during our operations will pay our respects at the same time folks at Ground Zero will be having their few seconds of silence which you can watch on T.V. This is where our morals are for our special event. Our Integrity will be based on showing respect and proving that the world through the air waves can come together no matter what race, color, nor creed trying to prove this will not be necessary again. Hopefully with wishful thinking!
It is also a way to thank Vladamir Putin and the people of Russia for their contribution to a wonderful monument that not many know about in its location in New Jersey.
I thank you for your comments and wish you well. Please do not impose on trying to change our minds. So that we can put this too rest I will leave others to make they comments and inquiries. Our website will be www.N2Y/N2J.com which will be up in a couple of days.
73!
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The issue is radio silence, not AI2IA!
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by AI2IA on March 19, 2008
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Eric, N2RAA has an agenda here. He wants everyone to observe that "Hitch" that he thinks is a good idea.
On this web site I have given my reasons why I think that his idea is not a good one, and I will not observe radio silence.
A word to Eric: Putting out of context and out of subject quotes from a personal email to you from me on this web site to disparage my position is not a nice thing to do. It is not a logical thing to do, and if anyone who is objective enough to weigh my imput to this web site and not your misquotes from my message to you about a broader subject, such an objective person can decide for themselves the merits of what I have said here on this web site.
What I have said here has nothing to do with being pro-war or anti-war. It has to do with your suggestion of radio silence - period. I ask all to weigh my input on that subject alone and not be influenced by Eric's attempt to depict me as some kind of unsavory person.
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RE: Not the place for silence - ever!
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by K1CJS on March 20, 2008
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I really think this suggestion is meant for the usual jibber jabber and operation, not if an emergency occurs. Common sense tells us that if an emergency comes along that we drop what we're doing and try to assist in any way possible--even if we're in the middle of a minute of silence.
After all, even though we should and do honor those who lost their lives, the living always must come first, especially if an emergency should occur. And please, I mean no disrespect to the families of lost loved ones.
AI2IA, both goals are attainable--the moment of silence doesn't mean our vigilance should be relaxed. If an emergency comes up to interrupt it, it should be dealt with--the families will understand. A moment of silence to commemorate the casualties of that terrible day is NOT too much to ask--or to give. You sir, are somewhat out of line here.
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Why ask for radio silence?
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by AI2IA on March 20, 2008
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K1CJS says:
"I really think this suggestion is meant for the usual jibber jabber and operation, not if an emergency occurs."
I say: What you call "jibber jabber and operation" indicates that the band is open, that operators are on the air, and emergency
radio communication to their locations should be possible. In the event of an emergency this is important information.
Radio silence is not trivial.
K1CJX says:
"You sir, are somewhat out of line here."
I say: Reasonable, courteous, and fair discussion is never out of line.
I say further: Is the emotional "need" to memorialize so great that one or a few persons feel that they want to emotionally coerce all operators everywhere to remain silent on all amateur radio bands for sixty seconds in the name of "memorialization"? Exactly why aren't two commeorative stations enough? Let us see a response to those two questions.
Personally, I think either few care or few want to touch this subject of radio silence because they fear that it touches on "sacred emotions." It does not. Unfortunately, we can't get much of a discussion here. Too bad. By contributing pros and cons, something could have been learned.
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by K1CJS on March 20, 2008
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>>>K1CJS says:
"I really think this suggestion is meant for the usual jibber jabber and operation, not if an emergency occurs."
I say: What you call "jibber jabber and operation" indicates that the band is open, that operators are on the air, and emergency radio communication to their locations should be possible. In the event of an emergency this is important information.<<<
Stopping the 'normal operating' for a moment will NOT affect anything in any way, Ray. If someone comes up on the air calling for emergency assistance, they will still be heard and answered by someone, moment of silence or not.
>>>K1CJX says:
"You sir, are somewhat out of line here."
I say: Reasonable, courteous, and fair discussion is never out of line.
I say further: Is the emotional "need" to memorialize so great that one or a few persons feel that they want to emotionally coerce all operators everywhere to remain silent on all amateur radio bands for sixty seconds in the name of "memorialization"? Exactly why aren't two commeorative stations enough? Let us see a response to those two questions.
Personally, I think either few care or few want to touch this subject of radio silence because they fear that it touches on "sacred emotions." It does not. Unfortunately, we can't get much of a discussion here. Too bad. By contributing pros and cons, something could have been learned.<<<
You refer to your diatribe as 'reasonable, courteous and fair'? You've got a bad case of the 'me first' syndrome, for your speech wasn't reasonable, courteous or fair--you moan about giving up a moment of time and say you will ignore such a request in terms bordering on the insulting.
This is not something done out of a 'need' to memorialize anything. It is unfortunate that you feel it is 'coersion', or 'sacred emotion'. It is neither.
THIS IS SIMPLY OUT OF RESPECT TO THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES. It seems you can't see that--or that you just refuse to. You can't see past the end of your nose concerning that respect. That one fact is evident because you are so hot about this you didn't get my callsign right--and that is the first thing concerning respect--that you know who you're talking to and address them correctly.
Well Ray, AI2IA, I think you're short sighted and selfish for wanting to pursue your own goals rather than give the departed the respect they should get. They didn't ask for what they got--their death, and neither did their families ask to lose them so soon. If you can't give them the simple respect of a moment of silence, you can talk to yourself for that minute--because I doubt anyone else will answer you. And when you pass on the amateur operators will very possibly give you the same respect you show others now--none.
Chris J Smith, K1CJS
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Let's look objectively at these posts.
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by AI2IA on March 20, 2008
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I have not denigrated anyone in my posts here.
I have not dragged in out-of-context misquotes from personal email on another subject.
I have not tried to call into question the personal motives of the individuals who malign me rather than take an objective opposition to me on the issue of radio silence.
I almost lost my second oldest son that day. He returned home looking like a chimney cleaner, but alive. I could get emotional over the WTC tragedy, but this is not the place for that. I asked for a response to RADIO SILENCE. Can't you handle that? Must you attack the person, AI2IA, instead of taking on the issue?
Diatribe? I engage in no diatribe here. I am making an issue of the novelty of wanting sixty seconds of radio silence. Focus on my challenge. Respond to the issue, don't call me "selfish."
I say that wanting radio silence even for one second is asking too much. I say that two commemorative stations are fitting. I got your call sign wrong? I make typos just as you do. I did not intend to insult you by messing up your call sign. I am not petty about this.
Some, no doubt, will remain off the air for sixty seconds. Most throughout the country and the world will not maintain radio silence for those sixty seconds and that is a very good thing. Anyone who reads these posts will see who has a clear mind and cool head on this specific issue and who does not. I had invited objective opposition, but shame on you responders who have shown that you are not capable of it.
Try responding to this without attacking me as a person or questioning my motives. Be bigger than you seem and address the issue. - Ray Mullin, AI2IA
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by K1CJS on March 21, 2008
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It seems, Ray, that you're concentrating on yourself rather than sticking to what you repeatedly ask to stick to. That is why you're answering as you do--for if you refer to the answers posted, you would see the answer to your attacks.
Short and to the point--The moment of silence is a statement of respect for the departed, nothing more, nothing less.
If you can't see that and respect it, it is your loss.
Oh, and yes, you haven't attacked any one person here. You have instead attacked collectively the people who are family and relatives of the victims of 9-11, and also the people who gave of their time and effort to try to help after that day, including your fellow amateurs. And you've done it all just by your posts and attitude on this thread.
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by K1CJS on March 21, 2008
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I might as well let you know I won't respond to further posts, as I firmly believe the point of the discussion has been made--and already repeated once. I see no need to do it over and over again.
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How about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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by AI2IA on March 21, 2008
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Yes, now that you have denigrated my motives, "Well Ray, AI2IA, I think you're short sighted and selfish," now that you have maligned my purposes and run out of words, now, K1CJS, you would like to just walk away content.
Well, think about this:
The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed abuot two hundred fifty thousand men, women, and children, mostly innocent civilians. No one has proposed one second of radio silence to memorialize them. Is the loss of their lives any less tragic?
The whole point is that these very great tragedies are not relevant to radio silence. It would be most fitting to have two commemorative stations for the atomic victims, too! But .... not radio silence!
Are you so thick skulled that you cannot separate memorializing victims from disrupting radio service? I suppose you are, because you have attempted to denigrate my good intentions simply for raising the point and questioning the appropriateness of this "Hitch" idea. Be bigger than you seem!
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RE: How about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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by N2RRA on March 21, 2008
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Ray,
They say when you don't like what you hear on the bands all you have to do is simply spin the VFO or push the OFF button.
This was not supposed to be a forum for this non-sense, but you alone have seemed to do a great job at turning this into just that. Very possible that you hunger for attention which we will not continue to feed. All your doing with every one of your comments is prove that you are just one irrational individual and that's just an opinion not a bashing comment.
I feel real guilty by saying this, because the above title says "comments" not "arguments". I or we should have not played into this game.
I hope others are not being infected by your methodology.
73!
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by K1CJS on March 21, 2008
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Eric,
I wish you and Mark the very best with the special event stations. I hope operators will honor your request, and show respect to the victims and their loved ones who remain by doing as you ask.
Good luck and 73.
Chris, K1CJS
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Let's get back on track here!
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by W2WP on March 21, 2008
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OK... Time for W2WP's 2 cents (1.8CND)
I think this little story sums of where this thread has begun to go.
You Can't Please Everyone
From Aesop's Fables: The Man, The Boy, and The Donkey
A man and his son were once going with their Donkey to market. As they were walking along by its side a countryman passed them and said: “You fools, what is a Donkey for but to ride upon?”
So the Man put the Boy on the Donkey and they went on their way. But soon they passed a group of men, one of whom said: “See that lazy youngster, he lets his father walk while he rides.”
So the Man ordered his Boy to get off, and got on himself. But they hadn't gone far when they passed two women, one of whom said to the other: “Shame on that lazy lout to let his poor little son trudge along.”
Well the Man didn't know what to do, but at last he took his Boy up before him on the Donkey. By this time they had come to the town, and the passersby began to jeer and point at them. The Man stopped and asked what they were scoffing at. The men said: “Aren't you ashamed of yourself for overloading that poor Donkey of yours—you and your hulking son?”
The man and Boy got off and tried to think what to do. They thought and they thought, till at last they cut down a pole, tied the Donkey's feet to it, and raised the pole and the Donkey to their shoulders. They went along amid the laughter of all who met them till they came to Market Bridge, when the Donkey, getting one of his feet loose, kicked out and caused the Boy to drop his end of the pole. In the struggle the Donkey fell over the bridge, and his fore-feet being tied together, he was drowned.
“That will teach you,” said an old man who had followed them...........
THE MORAL OF THE STORY?
“PLEASE ALL, AND YOU WILL PLEASE NONE.”
73,
Mark / W2WP
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Your "Hitch"- Bad Idea, Bad Precedent
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by AI2IA on March 21, 2008
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So what do we have here? We have N2RRA & W2WP and their pet idea, "The Hitch." We have K1CJS who can't see beyond memorializing to a bad precedent. Anybody else?
The fool follows the road. The wise man asks where it leads. Is radio silence to be the exlcusive "hitch" solely for World Trade Center victims, or it going to be a precedent for memorialization of all tragedies?
None of you will address the more than 250,000 lost at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Should amateur radio memorialization for them include radio silence, too?
If not, why not? Where and why would you put the brakes on this extreme idea of yours - this radio silence? Address it. I said address it!
Don't call me names. You wanted this thread to be all about positive comments for your ideas. I gave you one - two commemorative special event stations are a good idea. It seems no one but yourselves and me as a dissenter post here.
Where are all the others? Either they don't care, or they won't voice an opinion because they don't want to be treated to your bad mouthing.
Don't try to tie dissent from your bad
"hitch" idea into disrepect for the World Trade Center victims. These two things are not the same.
You cannot bully me or anyone else. I say your "hitch" idea is without merit, excessive, and your attempted censorship and unwillingness to refute my criticisms in a courteous and logical mannor is mean spirited.
You have put a bad twist to this thread, not I.
I cannot be refuted by mean-spirited ignorance.
I stand by the merits of my position.
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by N2RRA on March 21, 2008
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Ray,
Your so right! I'm sorry we didn't see it sooner. You know what? We've decided not to go along with this dumb hitch of an idea. In fact! We talked about it and also decided that we're cancelling the whole Special Event, because we've agreed that memorializing even with just one special event call was just one to many and it's about time we all just get over this WTC memorial thing. This also just became one to big of a headache to persue. Thanks for the education!
Now to return the Ham bands to normal Emcomm casual use. Now everyone splatter the bands every 3Khz and if anyone happens to hear that little S1 signal distress call smothered between the hundreds of QSO's in between please notify your local ARES, RACES, Emcomm officer. We thank you!
73!
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Now sarcasm. What next? The kitchen sink?
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by AI2IA on March 21, 2008
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You have a good program for 9/11 with two commemorative special event stations. I suggest that the idea of radio silence is a bad precedent. The special event stations are an excellent idea.
Now what do you do? You make yourself look like a donkey by responding to me with sarcasm. Why? Because I will not accept your entire idea?
Eric, N2RRA, you shoot yourself in the foot with the sarcasm. Just leave it alone. If you can't discuss your "hitch" of radio silence in the light of my disagreement with it, then just leave it alone. In spite of the denigrating remarks, I had a higher opinion of you before the sarcasm, not after it. Let it go. You will have two fitting special event stations. You will get many contacts. Some may observe your "hitch," others will not. So what? Let it go.
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RE: Now sarcasm. What next? The kitchen sink?
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by K1CJS on March 21, 2008
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I had no idea that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were in the United States. For everyones information, the Japanese DO memorialize them. Are you saying we, as the attackers should also? Well, surprize surprize! We HAVE. We do. The WWII vets went over to Japan a few years ago and did just that.
Another little item here--went it came out over in Japan that the Pearl Harbor attack was actually done before we were given the warning of it, there was a general sense of shame on their part. Most of the current generation also are ashamed that the United States did what they did, whether it was seen as necessary or not.
One other point to make is that happened over fifty years ago, so the memorializing has tapered off over time. 9-11 is this generation, not two generations ago.
There was also another little detail there, we were in a declared war at that time--we were NOT on September 11th.
On the other hand, do you see the foreigners who attacked us memorializing 9-11? Well, they do--in a different way. They REJOICE that they were able to do it and have threatened to do it again. They memorialize themselves and the few of them that did the deed, not the thousands lost over here.
Any American who refuses to remember and give those unfortunate people--the victims of 9-11--the respect they should be given, is just as bad as those who actually planned and pulled off the attacks--if not worse.
Eric, don't let the jerks that don't agree with you and Mark get you down or put you off your plans. There are many more normal Americans out there that support your efforts than there are idiots that oppose them.
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RE: Now sarcasm. What next? The kitchen sink?
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by K1CJS on March 21, 2008
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Pardon me, but in the second paragraph of my last post, I should have specified "Most of the current generation OF AMERICANS are ashamed the United States did.....
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Your emotions cloud your intellect K1CJS
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by AI2IA on March 21, 2008
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My you are emotional! When are you going to understand that the subject I raised is RADIO SILENCE?
I am a U.S. veteran of wartime service. Read my QRZ bio, if you must. Fighting a war against the Japanese or anyone has nothing to do with RADIO SILENCE.
I am not fighting WW II or any war right now. I am pointing out that NOTHING you three propose justifies RADIO SILENCE. Get it? Nothing you three propose justifies RADIO SILENCE.
Get off the distortion, if you want to get real. It's not about the WTC victims. It's about you wanting your pet idea of a "hitch" of RADIO SILENCE. You evade that issue. You can have the special event stations. This is not enough for your egos. You do not need RADIO SILENCE. You will not get RADIO SILENCE. You will not force me or anyone else to conform to your pet idea of what you insist for your commemoration. You cannot dent my patriotism. You have tried to put me in a bad light every way you can. My reputation and experiences prove you to be miserable detractors. You cannot judge me. Put your face in the issue. The issue is RADIO SILENCE.
Since your emotions cloud your intellect, I explain the obvious to you: I raised the issue of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to point out that demanding RADIO SILENCE opens the door to demand RADIO SILENCE for any great tragedy, and indeed 250,000 mostly civilian Japanese deaths is a great tragedy. Soon we would have folks like you around the world insisting on RADIO SILENCE for all sorts of these memorials.
I have had enough of your stupid, vicious personal attacks on my character and motives. Who are you? You are so ignorant and intellectually blind and so self-centered that you cannot objectively separate RADIO SILENCE from your pet idea. Shame on you. You shall not have your radio silence, and try all you want, the record of my character and service, and the issue I raise shall remain untarnished by the likes of you.
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OK. Enough! Points Made...........
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by W2WP on March 21, 2008
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Ray, Eric, Chris and all..........
I think you are now beating a dead horse. Points have been made on all sides and everyone knows where everyone else stands on the issue.
Personally speaking,what I thought was a good idea and already from a NYC-ARECS President,as well as someone from law enforcement it still seems to be.
Ray,
This is only my second post in the thread (AND WILL BE MY LAST) and I do not want you to think my post was directed at you personally. MY point was I understand you have your own feeling(s) on the topic and that is fine. My post was to show that not everyone will possibly agree with everything, or anything for that matter on what we wanted to do with this Special Event.
Please do not think there is ANY kind of agenda here. It was simply an idea to put a SE station on the air from the 9/11 Memorial site here in Bayonne. It was a combination of both remembering 9/11 as well as for me, bringing attention to the memorial that is here in Bayonne. Nothing more, nothing less. If you feel that is an agenda so be it.
We decided to get calls for both N2J and N2Y for the event to show support from both NJ and NY (or NY and NJ depending who you ask! :)) operators, make contacts, and have fun in the process. So if anyone wants to see an agenda that is it.
The 30 seconds of silence has now turned this into a circus. ENOUGH!
I'm just asking EVERYONE to take a chill pill and relax. The thread has already gotten out of hand and we are still 6 months away from the event.
So to any and all involved here, if you have any questions and/or comments please feel free to contact me via e-mail and I will give you my phone number to talk about it offline.
73 to all
Mark / W2WP
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A final word on the larger picture.
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by AI2IA on March 22, 2008
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I had looked forward to a calm and reasoned discussion on the merits of radio silence. Such was not to be the case.
I have mentioned numerous times in this thread that I thought the special event stations were an excellent idea, and I still do think so, and I wish you the best success with them. In fact, I am confident that you will have great success with them.
My concern was that radio silence would somehow become a precedent for the future, a precedent that I cannot welcome or support.
I had hoped that other posters would come aboard and express their views and that a reasoned discussion would somehow result in the sharing of insights. This was not to be.
It is, of course, a disappointment to me that this kind of reasoned discussion did not take place, but that does not detract from the value of the special event stations, nor the genuine good will I extended to those who along with myself wholeheartedly support this fine idea.
I bear no continued animosity toward those who disagree with my sincerely held concerns on radio silence. I leave off on this thread with the belief that some good has come from this discussion. At this point, it is time to move on.
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RE: A final word on the larger picture.
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by K1CJS on March 22, 2008
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My apologies to you and Mark, Eric. I won't say any more on the subject. Good luck and 73.
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