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Remote Control Revisit

Alan Applegate (K0BG) on April 24, 2008
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Remote Control Revisit

I've written about this subject before, but it seems appropriate to revisit it. After all, it is that time of year when folks start thinking of configuring their mobile stations. So, a little sound advice up front, might save some luckless amateur a few headaches.

Before I get into the real meat of the article, I need to cover a few basic facts. It really doesn't matter what HF antenna you buy, but you should consider a few basic realities before you spend your hard-earned cash.

First, any (every) HF mobile antenna is a compromise, due mainly to one simple fact; any vehicle you mount it on, including one the size of a semi, is an inadequate ground plane. Since ground plane losses constitute the largest factor from an efficiency standpoint, those losses should be minimized.

Next, length matters. Generally speaking, a 12 foot antenna is twice as efficient as an 8 foot one, all else being equal. In reality, it's somewhat dependent of the aforementioned ground plane losses, and where you choose to mount your antenna.

The size of the coil, within reason, is important too. Length, diameter, and the ratio between them, as well as the position within the antenna (base, center, or top) partly determine Q. Think of it this way; long skinny coils are lossy, short fat ones are less lossy. However, the way the coil is made (and what it is made of) is also very important, especially the size of wire it is wound with. Although there is an ideal length to diameter ratio, the ratio is partly dependent on where in the antenna it is mounted, and on the ground losses present.

It should be apparent that any comparison between short fat antennas, and long skinny ones is a difficult task, much less antennas that are in between the aforementioned extremes. But as important as all of this appears, the single biggest factor any mobile operator has to deal with, is (again) the ground losses involved.

I often get asked how to minimize ground losses, and there are several articles on my web site dealing with these issues. As redundant as it may be, the, most important factor in maximizing what limited ground plane a vehicle represents, is placing as much mass under the antenna as you can. In other words, not along side!

I will not be drawn into an argument about where, or how, you mount your HF mobile antenna. All excuses aside, the factors every mobile operator needs to understand are these; the location you choose not only has a direct relationship of how efficient your installation will be, it also has a relationship on the RFI issues you'll face. This is especially true when your antenna of choice is a remotely controlled one.

An HF mobile antenna, in the strictest of terms, is a vertical antenna. Since a vertical antenna is half of a dipole, the missing half is (in essence) the ground plane it is mounted over (the vehicle in this case). Whatever RF current is flowing in the antenna, must also flow is its ground plane. When the ground plane is inadequate (lossy), the return current seeks the path of less resistance. And that my friends, is back down the control leads (if any), and the coax feeding the antenna.

Let's address the control lead issue first. If you mounted an HF mobile antenna atop a near-perfect ground plane, there still would be RF on the control leads. The reason is, the motor operates above RF ground. Whatever current is flowing must be choked off as close to the antenna as possible. Since the motor position inside the antenna varies across the various models, it's difficult to know exactly how much RF will flow. One common rule of thumb is, the impedance of any choke must be at least 2 magnitudes higher than the circuit's impedance. Assuming 50 ohms, this means the choke must exhibit an impedance larger than 5,000 ohms. That takes about 9 turns through a nominal Mix 31 ferrite bead. Unfortunately, that isn't the whole story.

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As ground plane losses increase, regardless of the cause, the amount of RF current flowing on the control leads, and the coax feeding the antenna will also increase. Thus, the requisite choke will have to be larger. There is a practical limit to the number of turns one can wind on a single bead, like the one in the photo, so larger values may require more than one bead to be used (in series).

This begs the question; just how much choke do you need? Once again, that depends on where and how you mount your antenna, with whatever ground plane losses those specifics dictate. In extreme cases, the requisite choke(s) will need an impedance of 15,000 ohms, perhaps more! An antenna mounted atop a long post, jutting out from a trailer hitch is a typical, extreme example. What's more, if the choke is inadequately sized for the application, the choke can easily suffer thermal runaway, which will cause it to fail.

The coax feeding the antenna will also have RF flowing over it (common mode currents). Most of the time it is less noticeable, because the impedance of the coax is less than that of the motor leads. Nonetheless, it is still there with all of its consequences. The problems associated with choking off the coax are compounded by its size, and this fact may require multiple chokes, rather than one large one.

You will never be able to use an automatic antenna controller without properly choking the motor leads, no matter where or how you mount your remote controlled HF mobile antenna. Whether or not you need to choke off the coax remains moot.

If you're looking for more information on chokes, and how they work, here is a wonderful white paper on the subject written by Jim Brown, K9YC.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com

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Remote Control Revisit  
by NV2A on April 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Let me say first that I am not expert on this topic by any stretch of the imagination. I comment only in that my experience might help others.

I put an Icom 746 and AH-4 tuner into a 1999 Dodge Caravan. I ran 1/4 Heliaflex from the rig to a 6 length of coax just outside the tuner. I used a ball mount w/ a 102" whip on the drivers side panel where I could reach it from inside the vehicle and it preformed flawlessly. I was fortunate not to need ferrites or anything else. Even the windshield wipers did not pose enough noise to cause me to not be able to copy cw. Occasionaly, I got some noise from a passng car but my Caravan was stone quite for the most part.

You're right, it's mobile season!

 
RE: Remote Control Revisit  
by W6TH on April 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
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WOW Alan, Alan says,
You will never be able to use an automatic antenna controller without properly choking the motor leads, no matter where or how you mount your remote controlled HF mobile antenna. Whether or not you need to choke off the coax remains moot.

WOW Alan, I have never read any complaints of this installation.

Ground losses do affect my grapes; To have an influence on or effect a change but never did any harm to my radiation pattern or the bandwidth.

Terrific article Alan, we need more of this to get the bandwidth most needed for the new dx'ers we now have that joined us.

73 and the best of ground losses, W6TH.

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Remote Control Revisit  
by AC7CW on April 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the heads up Alan. I guess people have different standards for judging an installation. For me if a mobile antenna works and the car still works I'm happy and I won't be worried about some technical details too much but installing some chokes is a piece of cake really and probably should be done as a matter of course.

I've found that the best thing to do mobile is operate bands where you can have a full sized quarter wave whip or longer. That might be consideration number one, all of those type installations I have had in the past have satisfied my requirements whether mounted on the roof center or not. After that, mounting on the roof center would be my number two consideration.

I really don't like the idea of working SSB and fiddling with the radio a lot while driving anyhow, channelized and FM is acceptable regarding the amount of driving distraction generated by talking on the radio. While parked is another story, all modes and all bands should not be a problem.
 
RE: Remote Control Revisit  
by N6AJR on April 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I find the priorties for the "best" mobile installation cover more than the antenna and ground plane. One would think that you would want the tallest, fattest , largest coiled antenna you can afford mounted in the center of the roof of your vehicle.

This is the ideal situation. BUT....

Some of the other things that come in to play are thoughts of clearance, tunability, ease of use, and even driving and parking conditions.

On My truck I have a large original DK-3 installed in the rear of the bed. This runs a 66 inch whip and hits a lot of overhrad canopies. Not a problem because this parks out side and also has a ladder rack. So the big antenna works well to 80 meters and gets out nicely. I have to pull to the shoulder to tune this one as I have to monitor the meter to find the antenna's tuned spot. I can't tune and drive this one at the same time.

On the car I run a small ATAS 120. This is mounted on a trunk lip mount and is no where near as efficient but It is perfect for the car. Why?? I park the cr in the garage and this will clear the door. Simple as that. The atas will autotune when driving with the push of a single button and no need to look at it while drivien.


Both of these antennas do not work as well as the ham sticks I used to run, but... I am disabled and it is hard for me to climb in and out of the car or truck to change antennas so the screwdriver is my best solution, even though not the most efficient.

Good luck with your install. Go mobile HF. Its fun.
 
RE: Remote Control Revisit  
by N6AJR on April 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I find the priorties for the "best" mobile installation cover more than the antenna and ground plane. One would think that you would want the tallest, fattest , largest coiled antenna you can afford mounted in the center of the roof of your vehicle.

This is the ideal situation. BUT....

Some of the other things that come in to play are thoughts of clearance, tunability, ease of use, and even driving and parking conditions.

On My truck I have a large original DK-3 installed in the rear of the bed. This runs a 66 inch whip and hits a lot of overhrad canopies. Not a problem because this parks out side and also has a ladder rack. So the big antenna works well to 80 meters and gets out nicely. I have to pull to the shoulder to tune this one as I have to monitor the meter to find the antenna's tuned spot. I can't tune and drive this one at the same time.

On the car I run a small ATAS 120. This is mounted on a trunk lip mount and is no where near as efficient but It is perfect for the car. Why?? I park the cr in the garage and this will clear the door. Simple as that. The atas will autotune when driving with the push of a single button and no need to look at it while drivien.


Both of these antennas do not work as well as the ham sticks I used to run, but... I am disabled and it is hard for me to climb in and out of the car or truck to change antennas so the screwdriver is my best solution, even though not the most efficient.

Good luck with your install. Go mobile HF. Its fun.
 
Remote Control Revisit  
by K9WJL on April 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I have a question, if it's OK to ask here.
I have a Chevy Silverado, Running a High Sierra HS-1500 in the inside drivers side rear corner of the bed, with a 6' whip. The antenna bracket is bolted to the sheet metal with all the paint sanded off around the holes, and I'm using anti-ox grease on all the holes, both truck and antenna bracket. Theres a 2' length of battery cable with soldered terminals bolted to the frame near the trailer hitch and the bolt on the inside of the sheetmetal behind the antenna bracket. The control cable is 2C foil sheilded 18 ga. It is routed through two split ferrite chokes within 1' of the antenna base. The rig is a IC-706 MK IIG. The rig is grounded at the floor pan where it's installed, but it didn't help the issue.
I do find it hard to tune on 40-80, it seems that there's some SWR issue that increases as I increase power. I can tune to about 1.5:1 using the CW tone that the "tune" function provides, but when I try to run 100 watts, the SWR goes through the roof. 20-15 are no problem.
I'm telling you now I'm not an expert, but I do understand the couterpoise requirement, which is why I've never done anything about it before. I know that there's not an big enough counterpoise for the low bands.
Is there something here I'm missing?
Thanks,
Bill K9WJL

BTW I enjoyed the article.
 
RE: Remote Control Revisit  
by K0BG on April 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Bill, I'll be happy to help you with the issues, but I don't have your e-mail address. If you go to my web site, my e-mail is posted on the front page.

You do have a few issues which need to be corrected, but this isn't the place.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: Remote Control Revisit  
by KE7FD on April 25, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Alan, I often read your posts with a grimace because I break most of the rules. I will usually get on the air then ask questions later.

As you say, most mobile antennas are compromises and mine is no exception. Ideally, I would like to put my Hustler HF antennas on the roof of my Grand Cherokee. However, we have some low hanging trees, wires, and other structures that are not compatible with such an install. I have dealt with the matter of height and user (me) utilization by having a custom hitch welded then mounting my antennas on to that. The mounting base is low enough to not obstruct the license plate and allows me to use the parking garage at work w/o monkeying with lowering the whip (just shy of 11ft from street to the static ball for clearance).

Grounding is my next project on the vehicle throughout as you illustrated on your website. The radios are mounted at the rear hatch but I need to cut the coax to the correct length to get rid of the coils back there. Lots to do before Dayton rolls around.

Good article!
 
RE: Remote Control Revisit  
by N4MJG on April 25, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Alan,

Good Article,i have to email you i got question later on.i like have told you about put tarheel on other side of my truck due load junk in back door which is harder to me get stuff in and out because the ant is out of my way had to put there for now,will move it later on down the road....



73
Jackie
KG4ORX
WEBSITE http://webpages.charter.net/kg4orx/
HamRadio Since Aug 2001
General Lic. Since march 17,2007
 
RE: Remote Control Revisit  
by WI7B on April 25, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

Alan,

Right on target, as usual. It is ground losses. My whole antenna is a couple inches ABOVE the roofline, and directly 4 feet above the road surface.

And if you don't have a screwdriver antenna with control leads, more the better. No return for stray RF.

73,

---* Ken
 
RE: Remote Control Revisit  
by W6TH on April 25, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
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Alan,

What is the polar circumference of each and every vehicle and can you plot a curve as to the amount of ground loss of each and every vehicle?

I am sure and positive all of the above posts would be very interested in your polar circumference. This would make installation of mobile ham radio much more convenient and foresee any possible problems.

Much described here in and on your post can be found in many of the old ARRL handbooks and also copies of the past which is now indicated upon the internet.

This will be great for all if you will consider.

73, W6TH
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RE: Remote Control Revisit  
by K0BG on April 27, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Vito, the formulas for calculating ground loss were done by Jack Belrose during the 50s, and published in QST. They were later published in the Mobile Manual, circa 1960. They've been updated and are published in the Antenna handbook. However, that's not the whole story.

The good doctor had a blurb in the Technical Column of QST about a year ago. He suggested modeling the antenna, then adjust the ground losses until the model agreed with the actual input impedance as measured with an antenna analyzer.

If you go through the exercise, and measure an average mobile, it turns out that the ground losses are more than the aforementioned formulas would otherwise indicate.

Some years back, I was lucky enough to have a ground plane in my back yard with about 100 radials in place. They averaged about 50 feet, but some were only 20 and a few were nearly 80 feet. Measuring the input impedance over this ground plane and then on the car, again confirmed the losses were greater than the calculated ones. I've been told that this is an invalid test, but the fact remains, it does set a point of reference.

After two moves, and a second marriage, some of the measured data is missing. However, the difference between the 20 meter bug catcher I was running at the time, and a lowly 20 meter Hustler, was rather enlightening. The input impedance was 18 on the bug catcher, and 31 on the Hustler. Mounted atop the quarter panel, they were 24 and 38. This means the additional losses between the ground plane and the vehicle, were 6 and 7 ohms, respectively. These figures are slightly higher than those calculated and published by the ARRL.

Mounted on a trailer hitch mount, the figures were 29 and 45. You can draw your own conclusions.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
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