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Antenna Primer
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May 10, 2008
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Gunter (Lindy) Lindermeier, WW5AA
So you need that first HF antenna
I have been reading many posts here lately from new amateurs and some not so new about installing that first HF antenna. It appears that many are mislead by commercial advertising or a mish-mash of partial information. In my case, I can't see why anyone would spend $279.99 for an off center fed dipole or even $79.95 for an imitation G5RV and then hang the thing at 25/30 feet. It is not my intent to write an antenna handbook or to tell anyone that the described doublet antenna is the best thing since sliced bread. My intension is to go step by step in building an antenna that will work very well, at least as well as any commercial wire antenna while costing a fraction of the price. One that is simple enough in construction that even a caveman can do it using parts that most folks have around the house or can be obtained at any hardware store.
One of the important parts of constructing any antenna is getting it in the air. A lot of folks are disappointed when that new wiz-bang antenna hanging at 25 feet just does not cut it. Altitude is an easy task for those with tall towers or even some very tall trees, but…..what if the budget will not allow for that tower or no tall trees within reach? How about if you're like me, getting a little long in the tooth and not fond of climbing 60' or so into that tree? In my case, a mast is the logical choice. Here again I see people limiting themselves by trying to Armstrong a tall spindly mast into the air. For many, this is the road to disappointment and bent aluminum or splintered fiberglass.
I use my home brew mast launcher, based on a design which has been in use by the military since WW-I. Again, low cost and readily available parts and ease of construction are the selling points. The mast launcher also reduces the problems associated with raising the doublet ends to a usable height. Many do not realize that an all band doublet becomes less efficient as the angle of the elements from horizontal increases past 30 degrees.
Since I like using the military heavy duty mast sections I have designed mine for that use. My primary goal was getting safely as high as possible without any help. Also since the masts are an integral part of the system, I constructed a center connector that would attach easily to the mast, yet be fairly robust. One could use a pulley and rope to raise the center but since it is very easy to raise and lower I prefer my method.
I am by no means a mechanic or carpenter and most of you can probably build a better launcher. The basic concept is something to support the mast while it is being raised. Since I test antennas all the time I needed a way to get a wire up at least 50' without help. I have two masts mounted on rails of the rear porch so that I can do A-B tests on all the great antenna designs I hear about.
The basic concept is a three sided 2X4 (rear is cut to fit) box just wide enough and long enough that it will allow the mast section to be inserted into the PVC pipe. Mast sections are then simply fed in one after the next.
After loading the first two mast sections it is only a matter of attaching the center connector of the doublet. I use a properly sized section of PVC which fits the stub end of the mast section.
As shown below, two slots are cut into the PVC along with two holes for the lead from the 450 Ohm ladder line to the elements. The ladder line is then pushed through the slots. I trim about 6” leads at the end of the ladder line.
The leads are fed through the holes as are six inch sections of 12 ga. Wire to strengthen the attachment point for the elements.
Notice the Gerber baby food jar top….when I said cheap I meant it! The PVC section is then pushed onto the mast stub.
The openings in the center connector are then sealed with silicon and painted. I like to use Krylon plastic paint. The ribbing at the mast joint allows condensation to escape. A couple of coats of paint and even Lynne, the XYL says it looks good. With the elements and guys in place, the connections are soldered and it's time to start stacking mast sections.

The doublet elements act as guy wires at the top, while Dacron rope is used four feet down in the opposing direction, then again four feet down another set of opposing Dacron guys. While the mast is going up, I use bungee cords at the ends of the elements and guys. This allows for tension one mast section at a time. I like to use a pipe clamp at the base of each mast section for added strength and as a good attachment point for the guys. Again I designed this method so that I could complete the set up alone. One of my original masts with optional humming bird feeder is on the right. On this mast the top elements are 88.5 feet each side and the second set of guys are elements cut for 60 meters. I found that in A-B tests, the coax fed resonant 60 meter antenna was usually no better than the doublet. The new antenna is 126 feet per side so that the lower end of 160 meters could be reached with the auto-tuner. Since I have a small city lot, my doublet is bent into a straightened out “Z” shape (bends at less than 90 degrees). This arrangement is much more efficient than coils or traps. With proper planning you may be surprised at how much wire you can put up on that small lot. Just remember that you can hang as much wire as you can, than make small adjustments at the lowest frequency that your tuner will handle.


Ok, up at 60 feet and time to see what it looks like on the AEA analyzer on loan from Ronnie, W5REH. During the raising process I use my MFJ-259B to make spot checks and possibly avoid having to start at square one if there is a problem.
I use receiving antennas (coaxial random, and wire loop) rather than transmit and receive on the same antenna. I will not go into all the reasons why (I'll save this for another time). The big question now is how good does this cheap antenna work? I do not believe in listing the DX stations that I have worked with it on 160 and 80 meters, even while using it for receive, since this is not how to evaluate the effectiveness of an antenna. But let me say that if you are using that G5RV, folded dipole, mystery antenna, lazy “H” or any of the arrays at 30 feet, this antenna at 60 feet will make you smile
I would encourage anyone that is interested in building this doublet to sign up at the new site below. I would like to thank the folks at antenneX for continuing this wonderful web site!
http://www.cebik.com/radio.html
1. 252 feet #12 wire…………….. $37.80
2. 2X4 and PVC pipe……………. $ 7.97
3. 250 feet inch Dacron line…...$24.87
4. 4 foot mast sections (80')….…. $97.00
5. Paint/screws/misc……………..$12.00
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by KB1IIX on May 10, 2008
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Great construction article. A really good use for those mast sections on sale at most hamfests. Where do those guys get those things, anyway?
KB1IIX
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by KY6R on May 10, 2008
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Great article - neat construction idea - and the 60 foot height sure makes all the difference.
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by KE4WLE on May 10, 2008
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This is just one of the many vendors of the mast sections...
http://www.tmastco.com/
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KE4WLE
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by W4LGH on May 10, 2008
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First off, as most of you know, I do NOT believe in antenna tuners in the shack. And we've had this arguement many times before. You can do what you want, and believe whatever works, is working for you.
However antenna height is ALWAYS your friend, the higher the better. The rule of thumb is 1/4wave length above ground for the lowest band you plan to operate. For 80 meters thats 20 meters (apx 70') in the air, and not possible for a lot of people. About as high as I can go is 55' as the pine trees I am using are still fairly young.
If an antenna is designed right, and fed with the proper match, X will = 0 and your antenna is working at its peak! I use individual antennas for each band I work, cut for the center of the band. I then switch antennas with a remote electronic antenna switch. I do however own one of those $279 OCF BuckMaster antennas, and can only say, don't knock it til you try it. It DOES work as advertised, and the build quality is 2nd to none. I would highly reccomend this if you can only have one antenna. The only requirement is that it does have to be at least 30' at the apex and 8' on the ends, again, higher is always better! Mine is 55' @ the apex and the ends are around 30'. Yes my monobands have a tad more gain, but for a multiband antenna, it is SUPER!!
73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
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by W6TH on May 10, 2008
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.................So you need that first HF antenna....
The article is well written and also the installation well performed. However, most XYL's will not much approve or appreciate of the many guy wires and the spread of the guys across the small amount of property.
I would not recommend this antenna as a first antenna for the new comers, but to crawl before they can walk and go for one simple less expensive. The TOTAL: $179.64 is expensive and what I mean by this is; the reflection coefficient of coupling of the antenna and the guy wires plus the ground reflections....WOW! I wonder what the radiation pattern would look like if this array was connected to a polar recorder in the installation fashion and plotted on paper. Looking at the pattern, I will have to guess just where my maximum gain is being radiated.
Again, a great written article and I approve this message. Thanks Lindy.
W6TH
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by K0BG on May 10, 2008
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I'm sure that a few will read this article, and want to know where to buy the rope, or perhaps the mast. And, if a 100 read the article, maybe one will attempt to build it. The rest will do what you're trying to prevent them from doing, and that's buying one ready-made.
Quite a number of folks could use a tripod mount and mast atop their house and have good results, but they settle for a piece of 2x4 bolted to their back fence.
I've seen mobile installations that were so poorly executed, that nothing less than a 20 over 9 signal could be heard.
All of these shortcomings are of the same ilk. To be honest, I don't know if it is laziness, lack of understanding, fear, or ignorance. But what ever it is, taking that first step to home brewing your own appears to be a lost art.
Now if you could just write an article on how to take that first step......
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by WW5AA on May 10, 2008
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The guys for this antenna are non-reactive Dacron. Many of the larger war surplus stores handle the Dacron very cheaply which is also used by the military with the mast sections. I have paid as little as a dollar a piece for the mast sections and $5 for 200 feet of the Dacron. I paid a lot less to build this system since I do a lot of dumpster diving at construction sites. The cost is based on buying new at a local supply house. The antenna theory including Smith charts, as said can be found at: http://www.cebik.com/radio.html
Where I find the biggest problem is that some folks overlook the important parts of an article. I would have preferred to write about my inverted "L" for DX, but then most of the readers would have skipped the part about the radial field because someone told them that their vertical works great with a counterpoise or 4 short radials. Although any antenna is better than none, a lot of folks limit themselves because they think they can not get a wire up high or long. The article is just a nudge to get the thought process going.
And yes, the XYL is a blessing...but the Mercedes adds a little bit to the price of the antennas (:-)
73 de Lindy
73 de Lindy
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by W4VR on May 10, 2008
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It's nice to see a construction article with pictures for a change....good camera work on your part. I assume that the open wire line comes into your shack right to the tuner terminals. I had an all-band antenna similar to yours some years ago and had awful RF in the shack only on 40 meters...I had to prune the open wire feeder to eliminate the RFI...ended up with about 90 feet as I recall. Some people use remote baluns to get rid of the RF in the shack...this works fine as long as the coax feeding your radio is under 20 feet long.
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by W6TH on May 10, 2008
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Lindy, I apologize for the 250 feet Dacron line…...$24.87 Didn't know they made a newer design as to when they had the stainless steel, back in the 50's running through the center.
I now give you a positive feedback and again, thanks for the fine article and anything of interest to good engineering is of interest to me.
73, W6TH.
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by AC5UP on May 10, 2008
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Excellent article, but with one minor quibble... Judging by the pics the metal baby food cap is across and within an inch or less of the feedpoint. PVC might be a better choice for the cap as the feedpoint can be relatively Hi-Z (depending on the band) and the metal cap may encourage an arc over.
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Also, seems I recall Unca' Sam rates those mast sections at a maximum height of 40'. Could be more under non-combat conditions with good guying, less if you live in the windy part of flyover country.
The hose clamps at each joint are a nice touch. Should reduce the chance of the pipe ends flaring out from wind stress and what I call 'Woogedy Mast Syndrome'.
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by NV2A on May 10, 2008
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Lindy, don't sweat the peanut gallery. I thought it was a nice article and it gives new guys some other alternatives to think about. It's not likely that anyone is going to come along and write an article and not have some mental giants coming along slicing and dicing it. I for one am interested in all things antenna whether they are practical or not as they are food for thought if nothing else. I blaze my own trail but admit to sharpening my machete on articles like yours! 73 and thanks for the idea.
NV2A
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by N3OX on May 10, 2008
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"Separate the wires for the first 66 feet and tape the the top of the unseparated 33 foot section so it doesn't separate further. "
Speaker wire is a much lossier feedline than 450 ohm window line, guaranteed.
A doublet with 66 foot legs fed with Wireman 551 window line shows a line loss of about 0.3dB at 14MHz... that's 94% efficient.
Fed with #18 speaker wire, you'd be talking 3.5dB, about 45% efficiency. That seems to me like a lot to give up for convenience.
I used VK1OD's calculators to estimate these numbers:
for arbitrary two-wire lines: http://vk1od.net/tl/twllc.htm
Parameters were 1mm conductor (18AWG) spaced 3mm with dielectric constant = 5 dielectric.
for pre-defined feedlines, including some open wire and coax:
http://vk1od.net/tl/tllc.php
So it's up to the readers to decide whether it's a "waste of money" but close-spacing low impedance feedline like zip cord/speaker wire is not much better than coax for feeding random impedance loads!
73,
Dan
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by N3OX on May 10, 2008
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"If you think the antenna is too low to the ground the bands are dead now anyway "
Self perpetuating problem if I ever heard one.
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by KD8FZI on May 10, 2008
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How long is the 2x4 and the pvc pipe section? I have been looking for something like to help me set up my mast sections by my self.
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by W6TH on May 10, 2008
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Most hams of today are confused as to gain . An antenna does not have any gain. No antennas have gain, period.
A dipole which is radiated as 2.14 dB gain over an isotropic source is true. The gain is in the radiated lobe that leaves the antenna and is called the "Aperture".
Generally, antenna gain is increased by directing radiation in a single direction, while necessarily reducing it in all other directions, since power cannot be created by the antenna. Thus a larger aperture produces a higher gain and narrower beamwidth.
So, what Lindy is stating, that the height will lower the angle of radiation and the antenna operated on its harmonics will create gain.
I could go deeper into antenna theory, but all of you know you can get the same information on the internet and many "old timers", or from good books as "Antennas" by John D. Kraus (SK).
73, W6TH
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by RADIOROY on May 10, 2008
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Thanks Lindy; I spend a lot of time making pipe dream antennas. Some of them work, and others do not, but the experience gained from each is invaluable. I am lucky to have a 60 foot tower, with a 6 foot standoff at 55 feet. This is where I hang my wire antennas. I have gotten much pleasure from building my own antennas, and helping others to build their first one. It is really fun when it works, and they get their first DX contact on a little bit of wire. Well written, and neat pics and ideas. 73 de W5ROY
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by WW5AA on May 10, 2008
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AC5UP...Nelson you are absolutely right! I know better...but the old brain is slipping....I used a plastic cap on the last one. It has not caused a problem, but that is the advantage of this set up. It will take about 20 min. to change it out...Thanks
KD8FZI...Phillip...I don’t remember the measurements right now, but I'll measure it tonight and post it.
73 de Lindy
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by N6AJR on May 10, 2008
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Good article, and a great way to support you FAN DIPOLE , roll your own.
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by W6TH on May 10, 2008
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Lindy mentions,
But let me say that if you are using that G5RV, folded dipole, mystery antenna, lazy “H” or any of the arrays at 30 feet, this antenna at 60 feet will make you smile.
I used the Lazy "H" for many years Lindy.
A four element combination broadside collinear array known as the lazy "H" antenna. The gain over a halfwave antenna is 6 db Lindy.
Lindy;.....Gain is meaningful only when considered with reference to a particular communication path and set of propagation conditions.
Nice post Lindy and very interesting.
73, W6TH
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by WB2TQC on May 11, 2008
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"I can't see why anyone would spend $279.99 for an off center fed dipole or even $79.95 for an imitation G5RV and then hang the thing at 25/30 feet"
I wish I could get 25/30 feet in the air. 20 feet is about the best I can do. CCR's, no trees, etc.
Great article though. Wish I'd seen it when I was living with my brother and had some land around me. I'm not too sure he would have approved of all the Guy wiring but it would have been worth the try. :)
73,
John WB2TQC
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by K1CJS on May 11, 2008
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Nice article--but it presupposes the room necessary for the antenna is available. I have a corner lot in a city, about 70 by 100 feet, with a house and garage on it. I also have utility poles/lines on two sides. Although I do have some room, I don't have the room needed for a setup like this, and whats more, I'm a newbie at these types antennas and am not too proud to admit it.
Would asking for an antenna construction article for us city dwellers with limited space be too much to ask for? To anybody who would do it, thanks!
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by W8ATA on May 11, 2008
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Yes, this is a nice article with some good ideas. But a heads-up on the mast sections. I do not think that the military intended the ones shown in the pictures to be used for antenna masts. I have two complete kits of the fiberglass ones that are shown. They are a support system for camo netting to hide military equipment in the field and thus not made for great heights as the 60' in the article. The container they came in is marked as such. Their original intended use was for 4 maybe 5 sections put together. The slip together joint is not all fiberglass and has an inherent weakness. Notice on the website tmastco.com that those are aluminum and were made for antenna supports. The maximum use for my fiberglass ones are 5 put together out of a tripod roof mount and guyed with black antenna rope. For those going to Dayton there are usually a couple of vendors for the fiberglass sections and the aluminum ones. I am not an antenna guru, but I am a safety conscious ham. All this is not a negative on this good article.
73,
Russ
W8ATA
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by K5MO on May 11, 2008
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City lot? Try a dipole cut for the band of choice. A 40m dipole only needs 33 feet on either side, and if need be, you can place the pole in the corner of the lot and run the legs down the property lines.
You can then hang 30 or 20m dipoles fed from the same feedpoint (just separate the far ends by about 18" using a piece of thin PVC pipe (1$ for an 8' length) hung from the 40m elements.
Need a rugged mount? Make a "dipole" out of 3/8" dacron rope and hang the conductors below it. I've had one up with 80/40/30 in such a way for 8 yrs here in NC from some very flexible pine trees. It's never come down.
Total cost? Surely under 30 bucks even if you have an empty junk box.
The WORST antenna in the air is better than the best one on paper. I worked WAS in a yr with indoor antennas in a brick studio apartment, with 70watts CW. Get on the air!
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by N4CQR on May 11, 2008
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QUOTE: I have a corner lot in a city, about 70 by 100 feet, with a house and garage on it............
With good neighbors, you can accomplish the seemingly impossible. At my old house (see N4CQR profile) I had a short tower, Mosley Classic 33, dual band vertical and a 130 foot dipole. All from a lot of 30'x 42'.
Craig N4CQR
Berea, KY. USA. Earth.
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by N3OX on May 11, 2008
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"Would asking for an antenna construction article for us city dwellers with limited space be too much to ask for? To anybody who would do it, thanks!"
http://www.n3ox.net/projects/lowbandvert
describes a 20m/30m/40m/60m/80m vertical I built (somewhat narrow bandwidth on 80m). It's built around a Spiderbeam 40' pole which, to be fair, seems to run about double the eBay cost of the same height of mast sections, but is still, I think, a good value in antenna supports.
With just the bottom section guyed, the radiating element collapses down to 44" in less than a minute when you don't want to have the antenna up (possibly quite good for restricted situations or just picky neighbors? )
Of course the matching box is a little more than some might want to tackle right away, so you could either purchase an autotuner (hmm, that's not a very good *homebrew* solution, is it?) or you could motorize the tuner you may already have:
http://n3ox.net/projects/servo/
If you do that and put your tuner at the base in a waterproof box, you can use the antenna on all HF bands, though it'll start to radiate at unpleasantly high angles at or a little above 17m.
Of course, you need a bunch of radials which you can just staple down to the grass.
Verticals really solve no-trees limited-space problems.
73,
Dan
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by NS6Y_ on May 11, 2008
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Geezuz, that's another thing those barstids stole from me .... couple nice antennas.
Can't go into it here, but click on my callsign to read my profile to read what I'm talking about.
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by NS6Y_ on May 11, 2008
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It's there .... it's one screen down, if you haven't learned to be obsessive-compulsive yet, then you have no place being around ham radio, computers, web sites, etc.
Should I copy and paste it here?
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ecause the rumor mill is probably working overtime, here's the deal: I was a regular dealer in electronic surplus, selling at all the Bay Area swaps and on Ebay. Business soured in mid-2007. I mean really soured. I had to pack it in. Howard Califf, manager of the HRO store in Sunnyvale, offered to let me rent a camper he has in his backyard. Well and good. I'd live there, pay $250 rent a month, and get back on my feet. I started moving stuff in, and doing some garden work at Howard's. Well, there turned out to be another factor in the equation: Howard's Late 30's "Ex" Heroin Addict Son. Who lives there fulltime, doesn't work (unless you consider drinking beer to be work) and made the place very unsafe. I tried to talk to Howard about this, and his reply is that he "dotes" on his son, etc etc he's a nice boy, blah blah blah.... This is where things got into high weirdness because you don't normally "dote" on a late-30s professional beer drinker, a normal parents would kick him in the ass to GET A JOB. So, I decide this isn't going to work, and go over to Howard's to get the stuff I've moved over there back. I find chains on the camper, and El Beero ranting next to a big pile of my stuff on the driveway. I start to move things into my car, and El Beero starts yelling and screaming, and making like the gorilla in the old American Tourister ad with my stuff. Since this druggie is 2X my size, I back off and use a neighbor's phone to call Santa Clara's Finest. Two cops come over and oversee my retrieving my stuff, with this tattooed idiot keeping up his yelling, making dashes at me, etc. I'm really surprised they didn't just cuff him and drag him off. So I get out of there safely. Later I find that the tattooed moron is spreading rumors that (a) I'm wanted by the police (I'm not, and go to the Santa Clara station and check just to make sure!) and (b) that I'm driving up and down in front of their house. Well, I'm avoiding that part of Santa Clara entirely, and I can only conclude that another Prius driver is using that street, or there's another car with sort of the same profile. Well, this does have me a bit spooked, because with drug use comes paranoia, and with Howard's son's record of violence, it means possibly his coming over to MY place and causing trouble. Oh and I"m going to mention here, HE STOLE MY MESSENGER BAG. My nice new Timbuk2, that I'd just bought and was going to carry my art supplies in, that little needle-hound STOLE it. A new bag like that can always be turned into $50 for the 420, I'm sure it's irresistible to scum like this, but that's just as low as it gets. So, I've left the Bay Area and am planning to come back. And I am more anti-drug than the Taliban. If I see this druggie, or any other druggie, cause any trouble to ANYONE they will find themselves under such a strong police and citizen magnifying glass they'll get fried like an ant. I am very disappointed that the Ham Radio community would harbor and encourage anyone who in effect nurtures and fosters this type of behavior. There is very little "community" in the Ham Radio community, and it's very disappointing to find supposedly upstanding, good citizens hosting their own little part of the underworld. Before you work with ARES, RACES, or your own local cops, how about taking a look in your own garage first?
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by W6TH on May 11, 2008
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It's there .... it's one screen down, if you haven't learned to be obsessive-compulsive yet, then you have no place being around ham radio, computers, web sites, etc.
Should I copy and paste it here?
NO, NOOOOO, please, please don't . It's mothers day.
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by W6TH on May 11, 2008
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NS6Y_ on May 11, 2008
It's there .... it's one screen down, if you haven't learned to be obsessive-compulsive yet, then you have no place being around ham radio, computers, web sites, etc.
Should I copy and paste it here?
NO, NOOOOO, please, please don't . It's mothers day.
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by N7BUI on May 11, 2008
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Eham never fails to entertain!
How did a dispute with an HRO's managers drunk son and chain up campers get into this mix? :>
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by N7BUI on May 11, 2008
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Eham never fails to entertain!
How did a dispute with an HRO's managers drunk son and chained up campers get into this mix? :>
Sorry for the double post!
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by W6TH on May 11, 2008
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How did a dispute with an HRO's managers drunk son and chain up campers get into this mix?
Birds of a feather flock together.
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by WW5AA on May 11, 2008
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The total length for the 2X4 section is 5' 6". The PVC pipe is 3' 3" and extends 18 inches into the frame. Last night we had tornado weather nearby and I measured some 62 MPH gusts. The mast hardly moved!
I use a coax balun, 75 Ohm (10-6" turns) and 5' of coax to the tuners.
As I said, DX worked doesn't mean much, but the 5-6 report from Thailand on 20 meters this afternoon is incouraging (:-)
73 de Lindy
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by ARRLBOOSTER on May 11, 2008
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NS6Y..Nice Post, Alexander! Thanks for making me laugh today. Also, please continue to warn everyone about the druggies. If you want to spread the message to the most people..go to a mall and shout it out to everyone there.
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by W6TH on May 11, 2008
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NS6Y
His/her name is ALEXANDRA , isn't that a female name?
Alexander is a male name.
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by AE6YB on May 11, 2008
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Great article. The mast sections are aluminum, I believe? This is why the ladder line comes off at a 90 degree angle (from the picture) and doesn't run down the mast to the ground? I built something similar using plastic ABS pipe with the same principal using 5 foot sections screwed together. I needed to run the ladder line down the mast. I don't have the height you have, for other reasons, but I can put this up and down fairly easily by myself. Enjoyed the article very much. Thanks for taking the time to share it.
Will
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by KC3EF on May 12, 2008
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Lindy,
Great article. I am currently putting up two 50ft masts to support a dipole. I like the launcher idea, it will be a big help in getting the masts up without any problems.
73's
Dick
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by K9CTB on May 12, 2008
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Thanks for a very good article, Lindy. I know stuff like this brings all the "experts" out of the woodwork. Just pick any article and you'll see it. Guess I'm one of those guys who really appreciates anything that will get the new folks fired up about radio. This article certainly helps. Nice write-up and great photos to get a new ham started. If all these "experts" would simply encourage the new folks, and appreciate that there are some old timers trying to do the same, we could save the "expertise" for the more advanced hams. Sheesh!
Thanks, Lindy.
73 de Neil
K9CTB
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by W9OY on May 12, 2008
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You could turn this sucker into one heck of a 160M center loaded or top loaded vertical
73 W9OY
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by W6TH on May 12, 2008
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I know stuff like this brings all the "experts" out of the woodwork. Just pick any article and you'll see it.
Is it possible that many hams of the past have already discovered posts as this one and this now becomes something of new and value to you, yet to others of years gone by is nothing new and of little value to them as it may have been discovered and used before being born?
W6TH
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by KG6WLS on May 12, 2008
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by W6TH on May 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
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I know stuff like this brings all the "experts" out of the woodwork. Just pick any article and you'll see it.
Is it possible that many hams of the past have already discovered posts as this one and this now becomes something of new and value to you, yet to others of years gone by is nothing new and of little value to them as it may have been discovered and used before being born?
W6TH
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::Is it possible that many hams of the PRESENT have NOT already discovered posts as this one and this now becomes something of new and value to THEM, yet to others of years gone by is nothing new and of little value to them as it may have been discovered and used before being born?
Some of us were not born in 1938 to get their tickets. Therefore, we're not the hams of the past. ;-)
73
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by N3OX on May 12, 2008
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"If all these "experts" would simply encourage the new folks, and appreciate that there are some old timers trying to do the same, we could save the "expertise" for the more advanced hams. Sheesh! "
No one has to read the comments ;-)
In fact, I'd recommend against it most of the time.
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by W6TH on May 12, 2008
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::Is it possible that many hams of the PRESENT have NOT already discovered posts as this one and this now becomes something of new and value to THEM, yet to others of years gone by is nothing new and of little value to them as it may have been discovered and used before being born?
Some of us were not born in 1938 to get their tickets. Therefore, we're not the hams of the past. ;-)
W6TH says:
Read my comment over again and you will find that I have already mentioned what you are trying to correct me on.
Please read it again or have someone read and explain it to you.(GEEZZZ)
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by W6TH on May 12, 2008
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MIKE,
Here's proof that someone shook the tree and all the nuts fell in California.
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by KB1NHV on May 13, 2008
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Can you tell me where the 4 foot interlocking sections are available? This is an interesting design to get elevation that one person can do himself.
Thanks,
Art KB1NHV
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by N2OBM on May 13, 2008
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Good article...great KISS concepts.
The fiberglass 'masts' that are described here are actually used to support 'camo' nets; the instructions for these 'camo systems' imply that no more than FOUR (16 feet) should be used. They were never really intended to be used as a 'mast' system like the metal AB-155 poles(p/o AN/GRA-50 or AN/GRA-4).
'Safety' modifications are recommended. The application of several layers of '100 MPH tape' a.k.a. duct tape should be wrapped at the bottom of each pole. The 'very solid' tapered tip will splinter the bottom of the attached pole over time. This will weaken the joint and may cause failure under stress (i.e. high wind conditions).
Are you close to an Army post? Check out the local DRMO or the various online-auction government contractors.
73,
Trent
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by WW5AA on May 13, 2008
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What one has to realize is that there is almost no weight on the mast. I use hose clamps at the base of each section for more strength. The one I took down next to it was up for over 5 years and still in very good condition. We get some pretty good wind with thunderstorms here, I have recorded gusts at 66 MPH without problem. Just days after putting this one up we had 62 MPH gusts and the mast didn't move. The most important thing is proper guying.
73 de Lindy
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by G0GQK on May 13, 2008
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A good well written article and of course the critics have been tearing chunks out it. These articles are meant to fire up the imagination, to get people using the grey stuff. There shouldn't be any need to keep asking for simple articles the internet is full of ideas and plans, and there are hundreds of books and magazines and even CD's of ARRL magazines going back donkey's years with thousands of antenna plans.
I would expect anyone who has studied to obtain an amateur radio license would have enough gumption to know how to make a dipole which works. Are you the same people who have sent space vehicles to Mars, and put a man on the Moon ? Can't make a simple dipole, good grief !
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by AI4WM on May 18, 2008
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Great article. There are so many different applications of these support poles. They make great portable masts and are readily available from many surplus dealers, Ebay, and if you want several hundred ... Government Liquidators government surplus auctions. One thing you did not mention (or I misssed it) was there are 2 versions of the fiberglass camouflage support poles. One version has the reinforcement rings at the female end and the walls are a bit thicker and the other version does not have the rings and the walls are a bit thinner. The latter version can split when used for an antenna mast.
There have also been some with plastic rings sold. These rings are no good. They do not prevent the sections from splitting.
There is also an aluminum version, but do not mix aluminum and fiberglass. I guess aluminum on the bottom and fiberglass on the top would be safe.
I like your top adapter for the ladder line and the launcher makes me think....now why didn't I think of that?
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by KD8CGF on May 19, 2008
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Sources for poles -- I've been to about 4 hamfests in the NE OH area this past year & just came back from the Hamvention. The poles, their kits & accessories are available at most, and there were competing vendors at the Hamvention. I bought a fiberglass kit including 8 4-foot sections, 2 circular plastic disks drilled for guying attachments, 8 metal stakes, 2 4-packs of flexible plastic "spreaders" and a plasticized fabric duffel bag for storing it all for $50. There are online sources for this much cheaper, but the shipping costs are very high for this kit & poles purchased individually. The same vendor & kit were also at the Hamvention. A competitor there was selling four 4-foot sections for $10.
Aluminum poles cost much more.
I think the "spreader" was used to keep the camo netting from wrapping around the top of the poles in windy conditions, it doesn't seem useful for anything else. There was also a specially designed base with a 1-foot long aluminum stake and a hinged adapter with a pole socket. The stake would be driven in the ground, the pole slid onto the socket & then pivoted upright. This unit was part fiberglass & part aluminum & cost $10.
Harbor Freight sells 75 foot lengths of 3/8" polyester during their sales for $3.76, off & on for the last few months. Camo colored. Vastly cheaper than anyone else's polyester rope. I have had several lengths of that stuff up in trees in my yard for almost a year, minimal deterioration of the outside has been noted. I frequently put up different antennas in my trees & so get to inspect my lines regularly. Much more expensive 3/16" polyester bought from AES last year & used for the same purpose has frayed very badly during that time frame.
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by W5DUG on May 20, 2008
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Lindy has a winning antenna. I threw it together in one afternoon and it works great! Good photos of the construction and good text to go with them. Keep up the good work Herr Lindy! W5DUG
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by KL5Z on May 26, 2008
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Great article! I would like to point out that these "masts" are not actually masts. Even though we as hams have used them as such for years, the military actually uses them for camouflage support poles. If you are searching for them they come in a set called a Camouflage Support Kit. They have 12-4 foot sections, 2 spreaders (which some folks call a base), 10 or 12 nice metal stakes and a heavy vinyl bag to carry them in. I bought a whole pallet of these once at a surplus action for about 70 bucks.
These do make excellent masts for what ever you want to hang on them and you can go 48 feet if you guy them correctly. I would suggest you build you own base, as the spreaders that come in the kit are worthless as a base (regardless of what some eBay sellers my say).
As far as a first antenna, any new ham should avoid all internet sites that discuss antenna theory. The truth is the best antenna for a new ham is to take a conductive wire (any wire you have from 22 gauge phone wire to 10 gauge electrical wire), divide your favorite frequency by 234 and cut two pieces of wire that size. Connect these wires to the bare ends of some RG-8, RG-213 or what ever else coax you have. Use something non conductive to support the center, like PVC pipe, Plexiglas, 2x4, etc. Now string this contraption as high in the air as possible. Connect the other end of the coax to a tuner and start calling CQ CQ CQ. Remember you don't need a call sign to build antennas; you got your call sign to actually transmit.
Before the flames start flying, I know that I didn’t use a balun and copper weld makes the best wire and using speaker wire cause premature failure because is will become weak and brittle. The point I am making is that if you wait until you have the perfect material, supports, baluns, tuners, and antenna theory before you build your first antenna, you will never get on the air. I have made thousands of contacts (99% of them DX of 2000 miles or more) with 16 gauge plastic coated speaker wire and an old piece of coax with one end in a tree and the other staked to the ground.
73
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by KE5TDG on May 29, 2008
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Those "spreaders" sound like what we used to call helocopters which were not used at the base for support but spread out and attached to the tops of the "mast" to support the cammo netting. The masts were set on the ground and nylon ropes were tied to the cammo net at various locations and ran to stakes in the ground.
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