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My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner

Rex Lester (G8UBJ) on August 10, 2008
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Shopping in the local emporium found me face to face with a Tokyo Hy-Power HL602V 6-Meter amp, which is their 200 watts beast. I had been considering one of these for a while to complement my FT-950, which I use on 6-Meters. Knowing how long they take to arrive when ordered, the quality, and also that the price was only going to increase I decide to buy it.

Having got it home (and smuggled it past the XYL) I installed it and tested it into a load. It achieved the stated 200 watts output but the first thing it needed was a fan. Running 200 watts SSB got it warm but at just 100 watts carrier for RTTY it was generating serious amounts of heat!

Fortunately THP provides a DIN socket on the rear of the linear with various output. This included switched +VCC. I modified the mobile mounting bracket to carry a small PC fan. Although it's a bit noisy the finished result looked okay and provided the necessary cooling for those long RTTY overs. A little more careful work saw the SO-239s in the junk box and replaced with a nice pair of N-Type females.

Having spent so much on the amp I was concerned about running it into a bad VSWR. My HB9CV would easily take the power but was presenting the amp with about 1.5:1 which is quite a few watts of reflected power when running 200 watts. What I needed was a tuner to protect my investment.

I had seen a couple of designs on the net so I decided to have a go and build my own. The design used two variable capacitors and an inductor in a pi network. But the designs I saw tended to use plastic enclosures to avoid interaction with the coil. As I was going to run 200 watts I decided a metal enclosure would be safer and more stable. To avoid interaction the sides of the box would need to be 3.5 times the diameter of the coil from the coil.

So I needed a fairly large enclosure for this project. -- The most suitable product I found is provided by Maplin Electronics. Their enclosure AB15 is 202mm in length, 152mm deep and 76mm tall.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=1728&criteria=enclosure&doy=29m7#Faq

The last two figures were the most important. The coil would only be 3x the diameter of the coil from the top and bottom of the box but I felt this would be okay.

Aluminum has to be the easiest metal to work with and 20 minutes had all the holes drilled and punched ready for all the components. The tuner didn't have to match a very broad range so the coil is 3 turns of 2.5mm copper wire at 3/4" diameter I had a couple of variable capacitors in my junk box which were about 50pf. I made sure the capacitors were fixed well and all the joints soldered. I suspended the coil from the wires between the coaxial sockets and the capacitors so it was in the middle of the box (away from the sides). This also makes it easy to remove and adjust or replace the coils.

Initial testing on low power (50 Watts) went well; the tuner easily matched the antenna. I screwed the box closed, re-tuned and everything worked fine running 100 watts. I increased the power while carefully watching the reflected power. The unit needed a small re-tune but everything still seemed fine.

On the air I went back to an EA calling on SSB from southern Spain. The band was closing and he was just about readable but gave me a 59 in return so the amp and tuner were doing their thing.

This tuner handles plenty of power but has a limited range. Increasing the range with a larger inductor and capacitors would work for tuning HF antennas for 6M but if you do this tuning may become more fiddly and I would suggest decreasing the power.

The ATU needs some cosmetic finishing + knobs but it will do for now... I can beautify it when the Sporadic E season ends!

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My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by N3AWS on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Everybody gives 59. Doubling output power is not much of a gain.

Jim

N3AWS

73 from the ROK
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K3AN on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Does the amp work into a 1.5:1 SWR without any reduction in output (foldback)? If so, the tuner is just adding loss between the amp and the antenna. The SWR on the feedline is still 1.5:1.

Sure it's a small loss if the tuner is properly designed and constructed. But it's a loss nonetheless.
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by WA1RNE on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

For clarity, especially for anyone interested in this amplifier, the model is HL-206V - versus HL602V.


This is a good project but probably not necessary. A 1.5:1 SWR is not usually considered "bad" or excessive for most transmitters. The 22 watts of reflected power should not cause any conservatively designed amplifier to fail, and most well designed amplifiers will automatically shutdown when the level of reflected power becomes excessive.


If you're really concerned about the SWR - especially if it's being measured at the end of a long run of coax (the mismatch is likely higher at the antenna feedpoint) I would work on improving the match between the feedline and feedpoint impedance at the antenna. Since there are many designs of HB9CV 2 element arrays, yours may need some adjustment, negating the need for the tuner.


....WA1RNE
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by G8UBJ on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Apologies it is of course the HL-206V

I did submit a photo but it seems to have gone astray.. I have some on my site http://g-eight-ubj.blogspot.com/

Subsequent testing revealed that I could tune a G5RV jr with this to it has a reasonable range.
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by N3OX on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"Everybody gives 59. Doubling output power is not much of a gain. "

You haven't spent much time trying to work Europeans on 6m with a low antenna.

I don't think it would have been wasted if I had an extra 3dB signal on the other end when I heard DK1MAX and HB0/PC5A one day... and neither of them heard me.

Dan
 
My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by W6VPS on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
My...my What a bunch of nay sayers today.

The project worked for him...he's happy with it...give him break...lighten up already.

Paul - W6VPS
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by KC2WI on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hey, somebody actually built something from scratch! Give the guy some credit!

So maybe the the tuner was not absolutely necessary. Tinkering is fun.

As far as loss in the tuner vs. return loss, the question is whether the 22 watts (.25 dB) loss due to SWR is more than the loss in the tuner and how much the "perfect" match at the radio actually improves things. At least it helps the amp's power transistors run a little cooler. Yes I know that the impedance on the antenna/coax side of the tuner is still not 50 ohms and there is still a small standing wave on the coax, etc.
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by W7ETA on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Sounds like a FUN project.

Thanks for the article.

Nice prose.

I'm starting to collect parts for my next project--I want to double the output of my xmitter by using two 6L6GCs in the output section instead of just one.

Of course, after that, I'll want to double the output again.

73
Bob
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by 5R8GQ on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"Hey, somebody actually built something from scratch! Give the guy some credit!".

I agree %100!

Many, many people here post such remarks as:
"Everyone now is an apliance operator"
or
"No one builds anything anmore"
or
"Back when **I** was new, we had to build everything
in the shack from scratch".

So now this nice gentlemen shares his homebrew
project and people rip him?

Sheesh! Which way do you want it?
Ken
 
My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by KB4LGM on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Ken

I congradulate you on takeing the initiative to cure your problem on your own by building the tuner. I especially congradulate you on getting it past your wife undetected !

Enjoy 6 meters

Mitch KB4LGM
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K9MHZ on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Dumb question probably....did you arrange it in a Pi configuration?

Thanks,
Brad
K9MHZ

 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by W4LGH on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
You didn't need any stupid tuner with a 1.5 to 1 swr. That was a total waste of time and effort. So was going from 100 watts to 200watts, but I wasn't gonna go there.
To get 3db of gain, you have to go 4 times the power, or 400watts. 6 meters is a funny band, to say the least, and when open 50 watts will do everything you need to do. When its NOT open 200 watts isn't going to reach out and touch anyone, except maybe you local 6 meter repeater, or a few other local area 6 meter users.

Not trying to bust your bubble, and its your money, but
the money would have been better spent on a good 6 meter antenna, and low loss coax.

Oh well, maybe you can use the extra heat, that you are generating in your shack this winter. Enjoy your new toy.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com


 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by RADIOROY on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Alan; someday you are gonna run out of water to throw on others parades. Why can't you just tell the guy he did a nice job, and worry about your own problems. Oh yes I forgot, you don't have any problems, your setup is perfect!!!! Enjoyed the article, especially about sneaking by the Misses Hi. 73 de W5ROY
 
My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K0DCH on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
W4LGH:

If you are going to make a worthless negative comment at least get your facts right. Last time I checked a doubling of power actually increases a signal by 3dB. Four times the power gives 6 dB.
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by N3OX on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"6 meters is a funny band, to say the least, and when open 50 watts will do everything you need to do"

That's the great fallacy of 6m, Alan.

Big strong 1-hop sporadic E works like that... open, 10W into a wet noodle gets you twenty new grids, closed, you don't get any big, strong 1-hop sporadic E.

But the multiple hop stuff to DX or cross country, a few dB starts to matter. And 100W to 200W is 3dB. Signals get *awfully* weak.

I have a couple of big gun neighbors who run pileups of Europeans I can't hear at all. They run big power into big antennas, and it matters. It really does.

You can have a *blast* on 6m with a simple dipole or omni loop and 100W, but I missed *several* new countries this summer because I didn't have enough power, and I was running 100W, not your arbitrary limit of 50W.

There are a bunch of people in the Eastern half of the U.S. that have worked Japan this summer. I don't think most of them were running 50W.


73,
Dan
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by WA8MEA on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"6 meters is a funny band, to say the least, and when open 50 watts will do everything you need to do"
------------------------------------------------------
Heck....I used one of those MFJ single-banders for six. I do believe it was a whopping 10 watts PEP at 12 volts. Used a three element Yagi by Cushcraft. I worked both DX and stateside with that set-up. (No tuner, either....)

And it was not at the peak of the solar cycle.

73, Bill - WA8MEA
http;//HamRadioFun.com

 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by N4JTE on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
REX; nice job and informative article appreciate your sharing with us. I believe that an antenna with 3db of gain will double your ERP, not a doubling of input power. So as others may have suggested your next effort should be to improve your antenna and as you know a 6 meter high gain antenna is a fairly easy project and will be worth the effort. Your homemade tuner will come in handy when you construct a 6 meter beam which can give you a true doubling or more of effective gain. So build a beam with 3 or more elements and end up with 600 watts. Not sure you will ever need or want that on 6 meters but just a thought, hi.
Bob
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by N3OX on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"I believe that an antenna with 3db of gain will double your ERP, not a doubling of input power."

He doubled his output power, which makes him 3dB stronger ;-)

Some people don't need 3dB more on transmit. I sure do, and it won't hurt most 6m ops.

Dan
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by N4JTE on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Dan; if you believe that going from 100 watts to 200 watts is gonna add 3db or 15 or so S units to his received signal, ERP, than we need to chat, hi.
Bob
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by KR4WM on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
OK, someone is confusing something with something here....

The "old standard" is 50uV for an S-9 signal, and 6dB per S-unit below that. So- if you increase your signal by 3dB, which is equivalent to going from 100 to 200 watts, you've just added 1/2 of an S-unit to your signal, wherever it might reach.

Knowing this, I would have invested the money in a better antenna instead of a 200 watt amp. But that's not what this article is about- it's about a guy home brewing an antenna transmatch. I say BRAVO for taking the initiative to actually do something instead of just sitting on your hands and feeding the junk companies! After all, who makes a -quality- 6M antenna transmatch? NOBODY!

-KR4WM
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by WB2WIK on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice article.

I have a 300W PEP 4X150A 50 MHz amp that only costs about $150 to build from scratch and is driven to full output by about 5W PEP from an FT-817, and will deliver full power into a 3:1 VSWR easily (pi-net).

To me, that's a better deal. However for those who can use a 6m antenna tuner, this seems like a great idea.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K5END on August 10, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Bob and Alan,

Alexander Graham Bell came up with the idea that the softest sound you can hear could be an arbitrary unit of "1."

It was learned that our hearing sensitivity is logarithmic, therefore base 10 logs would be useful in describing the acuity of ones hearing.

So, the base 10 logarithm of unity is zero.

The base 10 logarithm of 10 is "one."

That came to be called one "Bel."

That is not a very sensitive unit, so they decided to scale it down a bit, by a factor of 10.

So, by definition one tenth of one "bel" is one "deci" "bel" with the prefix indicating a factor of ten in the denominator.

If you increase the power two fold, it is an increase of log<10>(2)=0.3010299957, and some change.

Therefore, twice the power is approximately 3.010299957 deci-Bels, and it matters not whether it is twice the output power OR twice the MEASURED received signal as "seen" by the receiver, relative to an isotropic antenna. If your antenna doubles the field stength at the far end, it has 3.010299957 dB gain in the direction of where ever that guy is receiving your signal.

Hope this clears it up.

Twice the power is about 3 dB increase.

It is what it is, and no amount of rebuttal will change that.






 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by G6KIZ on August 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe the confusion came about because power dB is not the same as voltage dB?

To double the received voltage (increasing the S meter by 1 point) requires 4 times the power or 6dB power increase.
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K5END on August 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Mark, you make a very good point. Maybe that is what can be confusing.

This well-written, entertaining and informative article covered the success story about his amplifier, and premise of the article as written by the author is about power output.

:-)
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by W4LGH on August 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
K0DCH said... "W4LGH: If you are going to make a worthless negative comment at least get your facts right. Last time I checked a doubling of power actually increases a signal by 3dB. Four times the power gives 6 dB."
----------------
K0DCH, damn you are smarter than an ole show dog, and are 100% correct that 2x-3DB and 4x=6db, as far as the math goes. Bet you got a "A" in math class. But this isn't how it works in the real world, especially on the receive end. But again, everyone on here wants to show how smart they are.
======================
G6KIZ said.."Maybe the confusion came about because power dB is not the same as voltage dB? To double the received voltage (increasing the S meter by 1 point) requires 4 times the power or 6dB power increase."
----------------
Now here's a guy that has it 100% correct, and someone I would want on my design team. Well thought out, and understands how things work!

If some of you would not be so quick on the trigger to prove someone wrong, maybe just maybe you'd "get it"...
It only matters to what others are receiving, there are near fields and there are far fields, there is perception, and there is reception. The perception is that 2X equals 3db, but the reception is that it takes 4X the power to equal 3DB on the receiving side.

The authors perception is that he has doubled his power, reduced his reflected power and he is going to have a much stronger signal out there, when in reality, it is more than likely not noticeable on the receiving end. (which is the end that COUNTS!!)

As for raining on peoples parades, that wasn't me, until I started having to deal with some of you who think you need to do everything possible to prove someone wrong on here, either to show off how smart you are or whatever your hidden agenda is. It really gets old after a while hearing the same ole same ole.

Read between the lines sometimes...

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com

 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by AE6JX on August 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
G6KIZ said

"Maybe the confusion came about because power dB is not the same as voltage dB? "

The dBs are the same, the required ratio of power or voltage (or indeed current) is different.

A 6dB increase requires twice the voltage or 4 times the power because power = voltage ^2 over R. But a 6dB increase is still a 6 dB increase.

K6KY
 
My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by KI4WAF on August 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Rex,

Thank you very much for your article. It was well written, informative, and will no doubt inspire some people to build tuners of their own. Do you have any pictures you could post?

I hear lots of grousing about how new hams are consumers and not builders. Education is what's necessary to turn these consumers into builders. Let them know that yes, you can do this yourself and here's how.

73 DE KI4WAF
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K5END on August 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

Read the article at

http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/2004broadbandforum/comments/YDI_understandingdb.pdf

Some key things to understand are,

the "dB" is a COMPARISON between measurements. It is not a volt, it is not a watt, it is not a mother in law.

It's been explained several times now. Doubling the power, or anything else, is a gain of 3 dB. Period.

The confusion is not about different contexts such as watts vs. volts. The confusion is in the shortcoming in the reader's understanding.

A comparison is not volts or watts.

It is a comparison.

Break it down. "I had twice the money I have now, after buying a bunch of ham gear."

My wallet suffered a 3 dB loss, or -3 dB.

There is no information in that statement about how much money I ever had or have now.

Just a comparison.

Actual levels, in other words, anything you can MEASURE, are best expressed in more specific terms according to the context, such as dBm, dBV, dB SINAD, dBrnco, etc.

It's more useful and common practice to discuss RF levels in "dBm" where 1 milliwatt = 0 dBm...at least in the commercial radio world. Maybe it's different in the ham world.

In either case it's best to be more specific.

Some of the argument here isn't an apples/oranges thing.

It looks more like apples vs. orbital periods of rogue asteroids, based on the posts.

 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by AE6JX on August 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

"It's been explained several times now. Doubling the power, or anything else, is a gain of 3 dB. Period."

So doubling the voltage is 3dB gain.



Oh dear!
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K5END on August 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Surely thou jests.

Doubling the voltage is a 3 dB increase in voltage.

It is not a 3 dB gain in power.


The log of the square is two times the log to the 1st power.

Here is the tricky part:

2 X 3 = 6

No, seriously.

2 X 3 = 6.

I know. It seems hard to believe, but 2 x 3 = 6!

That is where the "6" comes from.


:-)
 
My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by KI4SYR on August 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice Article and thanks for the address to your website for the pictures. Neat and simple. Thanks for your contribution.
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by W1XZ on August 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
While I agree that every one of Alexander's little units helps on VHF there must be some internal loss in the tuner, and with a starting SWR of 1.5:1 I suspect it is a wash. It would be nice to have a component list and a print, though.
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by W3CDC on August 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
What is the maximum permissable power level on 50Mhz in the UK? How much are they running on 70Mhz? HF I believe is 400 watts PEP.
 
My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by N8WWM on August 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Bravo, Rex!

May the naysaying wags experience pileup frustration to the point of tears!

Doug
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by N8WWM on August 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
A 6L6 will work at 50mHZ? Really? wow! I can see an amp in the making if so.
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by N8WWM on August 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
NW5E makes his own propagation with his 6 meter setup...scope him out sometime. You aint hearing SQUAT anywhere on 6 and there's Gary.
 
My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K0DCH on August 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Alan, W4LGH:

I noticed this quotation on your web site:
"It is not the Class of license the Amateur holds, but the Class of the Amateur that holds the license."

 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by G8UBJ on August 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
A lot of you seem to be very hung up on the amplifier side of this article? The amp was just an impulse buy and the article was about building and testing a tuner. You can see all the details of the construction on my website -

http://g-eight-ubj.blogspot.com/2008/07/my-6m-junkbox-tuner.html

The circuit is simply two chassis mounted coaxial connectors, two variable capacitors, and an inductor in a pi configuration. It’s a very simple and quick project and I’m sure than most of those attempting to build one will be successful, I would hope some can even improve it?

I very much doubt that distant stations would be able to determine whether I was using a tuner or not but it does mean that the SWR presented to my transceiver or amplifier is nice and low. Some of you may not have a 6m antenna. If so this tuner should enable you to press an HF dipole into service on the band.
73 G8UBJ

P.S. On most bands the legal limit in the UK is 26dbw – But running this in urban locations this will probably only land you with WAN award -Worked all neighbours :)
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K9MHZ on August 19, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
In spite of all of the bantering and sometimes name-calling that flows out of a discussion like this, one underlying thing heartens me. It's that many hams have taken the time to research on their own or share their professional expertise for us to debate. The rest of the world isn't like that....just look at aviation communications for example. Efficient antennas and low SWR over the entire 18 MHz bandwidth of the voice portion of the aviation band is just a dream, if it's even considered at all. Or, closer to home, would anybody anywhere think that a rubber duck on your HT is anything more than a poor radiator?

While it may seem that competing concepts here are like the opposite ends of a dipole (a resonant one, of course!), you guys aren't really all that much different from each other in your thinking....so lighten up and enjoy your discussions.

MHO, cheers!

Brad
K9MHZ
 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by K6KY on August 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
K5END,

Sorry for the delay, I decided to update my information and was locked out for a time, and then had to travel on business.

‘2 X 3 = 6’ - Correct, well done.

‘Doubling the voltage is a 3 dB increase in voltage’ - Incorrect.

You may be confused because the reference you called upon only deals with power. You have assumed for voltage, dB is calculated from 10log (ratio). This is incorrect. There is only one definition of dB used in engineering.

I am sad to say that ‘wikipedia’ has a much better explanation if you search in it on ‘db’ (case insensitive). It deals with both power and voltage. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel)

Or try
http://www.giangrandi.ch/electronics/anttool/decibel.html

or try
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/808

The correct definition is…. dB are 20 log (voltage ratio) (and/or) 10 log (power ratio).

Thus doubling the voltage is 20 log (2), = 20 X 0.301 = 6 (ish). Always has been, always will be.

(You may also see dB defined as 10log(square of the voltage ratio) which is the mathematical equivalent to 20 log (voltage ratio))

Consider that little button on you shiny new radio-toy. It says ’10 dB attenuator’. Are those voltage dB or power dB, or some cunning combination of the two?

‘Yes’ to all, is the answer. The dB’s are the same, at the same time, in the same place.

A reduction of 10dB reduces the voltage by a factor of 3 (ish) and reduces the power by a factor of 10. It always has done so, and always will do so.

So to correct your statement above…

Doubling the voltage is a 6 dB increase in voltage. – Correct (It is also a 6dB increase in power).

or

Multiplying the voltage by 1.4 (ish) is a 3 dB increase in voltage. - Correct


If you want to calculate absolute power then still use the 10 log and 20 log depending on if you are dealing with power or voltage.

10 log (ratio with respect to reference power)

where the most common references are one milli-Watt for dBm and one Watt for dBW.

If you want to calculate absolute voltage then you must use

20 (twenty) log (ratio with respect to reference voltage)

where the most common references are one micro-Volt for dBuV and one Volt for dBV.

Now, consider your wallet with that well proportioned wad. If you double your wad is that a 3 or 6 dB increase, do we use 10 log or 20 log?

It depends, kind sir, do you consider money is power or money is potential? Your choice!


Regards……..K6KY


 
RE: My 6-Meter Junkbox Tuner  
by KC9EOT on August 26, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well according to "Crusty old Kurt" the antenna tuner "tunes" the antenna and therefore puts out the appropriate amount of power for the antenna. The question is at 1.5:1 what would be considered the appropriate amount I guess; however if it is tuned properly there should not be much if any heat build up and there for power loss in the tuner would be small.
Regarding tuners you have those who believe that the power that is coming back down the coax isnt recycled and those that do. Its kind of like the difference between evolution and creationism, you will never get the two sides to see eye.
For me, I dont care one way or the other, each piece of equipment serves a purpose and when needed I am glad I have what I have. Ya know its the laws of physics and you are not going to change them so just use them to the best advantage you can.
 
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