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New Species of Amateur Evolving

Tim Cotton (N4UM) on October 20, 2008
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New species of amateur evolving - The rise of macrospeak.

Scientists are very excited. It seems that a new species of amateur operator has evolved and is multiplying rapidly. Scientists have dubbed the new species Macroboorealus Digitum, more commonly known as the Digital Macroboor. The species has proliferated on the 20 meter PSK31 frequencies but is spreading to other digital modes and frequencies with alarming rapidity. Scientists as well as many amateur radio operators have repeatedly tried to engage in intelligent conversation with Digital Macroboors to no avail. It seems the only responses macroboors are capable of are sending preprogrammed messages (macros) with their digital software. They typically refer to the operator they are having a "conversation(?)" with by the name that shows up on their automatic QRZ.com lookup macro. For example I am a often referred to by these strange creatures as Timothy, a name that appears on my birth certificate, radio license and on a few other official documents. No one ever actually calls me Timothy, unless they happen to be a macroboor. Even my own parents never called me Timothy, unless I had done something to really upset them. Macroboors, however, insist on calling me Timothy - even after I've told them 2 or three times that my name is Tim and that I really don't appreciate being called Timothy. They just don’t get it. They certainly don't write or compose text, for that matter, since their only mode of responding is to click on a macro, one they probably had one of their friends compose and type for them. It's also questionable whether they have the capacity to read since they don't seem to respond to questions or comments. They just keep clicking buttons at random.

Macroboors typically have long highly formatted station descriptions which they insist on inflicting upon innocent others. These descriptions typically have lots of formatting devices in them such as *******, ........... and ===> to give the receiving victim guidance in interpreting such complicated information along the lines of...

*** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***

<<here, not someplace else) consists of the following>>>

(Notice how they prefer the third person rather than the first - and while we’re at it, what else would it consist of EXCEPT for the following?)

...........The Transceiver: ===> Harvey Wells Bandmaster 2000 Pro/Field/Uber Radio, Mark XXIVMDC.

............The Antennas: ===> (I won't go into detail here but typically they list 7 or 8 antennas - all but one of which they are NOT using at the moment. Listed antennas cover all frequencies from audio through light.)

............ The Computer: ===> (Again I won't go into detail here but they typically supply more information than a computer repair person would need to know in order to fix the thing.)

............The Software: ===> (See above comments regarding Antennas, Computer

etc.)

............ The Operator: ===> (This is the one I REALLY like... It typically says something along the lines of "1947 Model." Ha ha! That's so cute. How clever and original. I just know this is someone I want to have a long conversation with)

I must confess that I find a macroboor's belabored and overblown station descriptions helpful at times... particularly if I need to make a trip to the fridge or to the bathroom - maybe even both during a single macro. I might even be able to fit in an additional long distance call with my broker - if he hadn’t jumped out his 23rd floor window last week.

Macroboors are fascinated with the word the. They also love the word here. For example, "The rig here consists (oh yes, I failed to mention consists) of blah blah blah." Since they have an obvious aversion to typing, why not say "Rig is UberRadio 5000" and let it go at that instead of all the the’s, here’s and consists ofs? Hey, it works on CW. Why shouldn’t it work on digital? The reason macroboors do these things is simple. They don’t have to type the stuff. They just hit a button and out it comes without any regard for the poor slob that has to read their drivel! They love to take up valuable spectrum space but they have nothing to say. The have read Shannon and Weaver in the original and are true believers in coding redundancy. Clearly if you say nothing the message always gets thru.

Beware if you answer an unfamiliar station’s CQ and the guy comes back to you with your name or (more likely, the name your mother used to call you when she was really mad at you) and you haven’t even told him your name yet. Be really wary if he comes back with "Hi , nice to meet you." When this happens, hit your macro button fast and get out of there!

When confronted with their boorish and impolite behavior, macroboors will sometimes break down and actually type something on their keyboards rather than pushing a button (I think). It is usually an appeal for sympathy (yes they want sympathy) and it goes something along the lines of "I can't type very well so using macros is the way I cope with my handicapping condition." Of course, it would never occur to them to operate on another mode such as CW or SSB and, in the meantime, practice to improve their typing. Where is Mavis Beacon when you really need her! Then again, macroboors just may be pushing the "I can't type" macro button. I've actually programmed an "I don't QSO macroboors" macro on my digital software - but in my heart I know it won’t do any good since a true macroboor never reads anything the other station sends. Hmmmmm, wonder what other macros I could program in order to actually cut down on having a real conversation. (Yes, that's sarcasm if you were wondering.)

In spite of having spent more than 50 years operating primarily on CW I can see why the FCC finally abandoned the code requirement . What I can't understand is why they didn't replace it with either a typing requirement or, better yet, an IQ test!

<73, MYNAME>

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New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KG4WHL on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Its people like you that are killing this great hobby. If you dont like it then stay off PSK31.
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by LX1LH on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Tim,

what you said is so true !

I am using digimodes without macros now for three years and I meet a few which did not bombard me with macros.

Indeed this is a showstopper for PSK31 and no excuse to improve typing skills !!

A lot of people will grill you for this honesty !!

At least there is CW so there is light and hope.

Best 73 es gb de Lutz, LX1LH
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KB5ZXM on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
IF I wanna talk to a machine I use the internet, not my radio.
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KF4HR on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"What I can't understand is why they didn't replace it with either a typing requirement or, better yet, an IQ test!"

Whoa, time out Tim! You're definitely venturing into dangerous territory! If the FCC were to embed IQ questions within their standard amateur tests, we would not be enjoying the large amateur population we currently have today. Far from it!

Unfortunately "canned" operations on PSK is just the tip of the iceberg. Let's not forgot about amateurs that bust into repeater conversations with absolutely nothing to say, conversions that consist mostly of callsign ID'ing (both callsigns AND the group) on every short transmission, people that purposely cause QRM - just because they learned how or disagree with what the topic might be, etc, etc.

If the last person was heard to say "the name HERE is"... then everyone other amateur should do the same! It's a monkey see, monkey do thing. Yes, our amateur ranks are full of rocket scientists.

It's important to remember that just because someone has passed an amateur exam, that action in no way obligates that person to exercise common sense or logic on the air.

I enjoyed your post. By the way, the call "here" (...a maybe over there too) is KF4HR
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by N1OU on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great article, Tim! Just get ready for one little problem: There are a lot of hams out there who don't understand humor. Thus, you'll get some flames that will be real head-scratchers. You'll think, "why can't this guy get it?".

I don't know why the no-sense-of-humor hams have to be mean-spirited in their comments. It would be better if they just avoided commenting on that which they don't understand.

There are many who will understand and appreciate your effort. Thanks for the chuckles.

73

Gordon, N1OU
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by NV2A on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Sometimes it's best to illustrate a point by exaggerating it or going the other way with it. So, to help you make your point let me add the following?

I disagree with you. I love getting long winded buffers where even the Eberhard #2 pencil with the pink pearl eraser on the end is listed as part of the station equipment. And if you're running Nizenswagging High Performance Paper Clips there is no reason to hide that from us. Nothing pleases me more then to get a buffer dump (puke) and be able to know the guy is likely out cutting his grass at the same time. I also enjoy reading the mail a lot on the digital bands. I feel particular warm inside when I know the guy I'm connected with thinks enough of me to send me the exact data, right down to the final period, that he has sent Amateurs Op's all over the world. Makes me feel really good inside!!

Back to reality. Buffers exist to replace basic info you send a million times and not to replace conversation. Even the slowest of typist don't bother me, especially if they have the diddler turned on. If you're just going to do buffer dumps then you may as well automate the entire setup and not have to sit at the radio all day. Either that, or give your typing skills a chance to get better. I worked in the news business and a good many of the writers are two finger pokers with amazing speed.

I liked your article and you called these guys to task in a fun manner!

73's nv2a..
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KI9A on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I tried PSK a couple times...can't stand it. Too much like sitting in an online chat room. Boring to say the least! To me, it isn't anywhere near being Ham Radio.

73 de KI9A
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by NA4IT on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
No different than a contester using a voice or CW keyer sending "CQ Contest, CQ Contest".
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KD8DEY on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
http://www.eham.net/forums/Digital/4746
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by K1CJS on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Your article is spot on. Too many hams these days are going the 'automatic' route. I don't use PSK now, but I used to. I didn't use macros, I sent info by hand. Macros may add speed, but they're not conversation--and for me, ham radio is about conversation, not automatic high speed info passing.

Good for you for having the guts to tell the truth!
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by NY7Q on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
great humor. NOW, back to reality.
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W2KG on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Tim,
It is sort of a shame that some folks seem to have lost the fervor for a genuine ragchew, but methinks that just maybe their typing skills may be a bit weak. On the other hand, I've enjoyed some of the best ragchews in my short career on PSK...after the obligatory exchange of macros of course! Hmmmmm...that typing test idea of yours has more than a little merit!

73,
Tom
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by AA4PB on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
An IQ test? Who would they find to grade it? :-)
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W3TUA on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Wow! Tell the handicapped ham who has to use a mouth stick to type that he's a BOOR!
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by WB2NVY on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Not exactly on topic because I've never used psk, but I have had ssb & cw qsos where the op is really quick with QRZ.com and calls me by my first name, Whitman, which I haven't used since I was 7, before I get a chance to tell him I go by Keith, my middle name.
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KG4RUL on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
AND you hear the same extended list of antennas, radios, etc. on voice. Not to mentions the list of medical problems. Could those operators have a built-in macro expander function??

I use lots of macros on PSK and other digital modes and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KG8JF on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I definitely understand the proliferation of the use of macros in the PKS31 mode of operation. The qso gets very tedious when the qso just becomes an exchange of macros. I also understand why a foreign station does this. Their facility with English is just not that good. I personally start the exchange with some adlib keyboard work. Then I end it with the brag file, resume, or some other macro that I have stored. My big concern with PSK operators is their inability to understand the relationship between audio drive and sidebands. Oh well,........
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by K0BG on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
As Timmy so masterfully points out, it just isn't PSK! Or any other digital mode either. It's spectrum wide! Allow me give you a few more.

Overcompboor - These guys run their compression 24/7 as if mandated by God Almighty.

QSLrogerthatboor (repeat 3 or 4 times for best effect) - These guys must be old NASA engineers.

Expletiveboor - These guys hang out on 75 meters a lot, and expel words as foul as their body odor.

We all have our peeves, I'm sure, and the list could be almost endless. In any case, it doesn't prove anything, even IQ, but it sure does point out one thing; the number of lidboors is increasing!

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com

PS: Couldn't help myself, Timothy, ah... Timmy, ah... Tim.
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W9UCR on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
After 55 years of mainly CW operation, lst year I decided to try PSK31 since some of my friends spoke so highly of it. It was easy to implement, but I just didn't like the mode mainly because of the heavy use of macros. I know we are pretty routinized on CW, following a fixed pattern for the first few rounds in a QSO, but there just was something missing in the push-button atmosphere of digital RF, so I unhooked it all and I'm back to CW.

One man's trash is anothers treasure, I guess. At least I tried it, even if I didn't like it. To each his own...

73, Bob W9UCR
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KG4ZVA on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
wow, talk about bashing! you call this humor?? this is no different than the contesters or cw ops with their own preprogrammed and prerecorded crap,automatic keyers, etc. etc.nor is it any different from some older ops whose entire qso's consist of describing every item of their equipment in every qso! why would eham even post this? as the first reply said, its people like you that are killing this hobby. and if you dont like being called timothy, why dont you take it off your profile info and put in tim instead of complaining about it? i talk to people all the time who check qrz while we are talking and it doesnt bother me a bit, that is what it is there for! so quit bashing and complaining and try doing something constructive for a change.

............The Antennas: ===> (I won't go into detail here but typically they list 7 or 8 antennas - all but one of which they are NOT using at the moment. Listed antennas cover all frequencies from audio through light.)


you have to post a PICTURE and LABEL ALL YOUR ANTENNAS on your picture and then whine about this??? what a hypocrite!

and like most of you hypocrites on HERE will tell you, if you dont like it, spin THE big knob!
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KB3FEI on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great comments (and great humor. I think we have to be able to laugh at ourselves.) The use of macros comes as a package with digital modes, I suspect. Once I figured out how to operate the software I tried to move away from the macros toward keyboard-to-keyboard converation. When it happens (often for me) it is very rewarding. I have noticed, however, that 20 M is more of a short response frequency; 40 and 30 (very good for digital modes) are the more active ragchew bands. Perhaps it is becasue I keep trying, but I have been blessed with many ragchews, most were very interesting converstaions and some also very long. (I think the longest was 3 hours.) The other digital modes, too, tend toward the same dichotomy--macros vs. converation. If we look at the activity on CW and SSW I suspect that it is not much different there, as I have heard many "hi, 5-9, bye" contacts on those modes. My point is that not all hams are comfortable in free-form conversation. Those of us who are can find kindered spirits just by offering two-way converation in the QSO. Those who can make use of it will; those who want short contacts will continue with macros exclusively. We all have different needs from the hobby. 73.. Dale, kb3fei.
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by N2WEC on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Makes me not want to continue to add PSK-31 to my station. I think I will continue to better learn CW and enjoy the reality.......By the way: "Hello Tim, nice to meet you. My name is Bill from Buffalo."
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W8JI on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I think it is funny.

If someone can't take a little humor about the quirks of automated human interface and friendship they are probably too deep into it to ever have verbal social intercourse.

 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KE4MOB on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
My, how we all forget.

"Macros" have been around for decades. Long ago, when the only digital mode was RTTY and you were considered good (or obnoxious) if you could out-type your perforator, ops would use pre-punched tapes...the first "macros" so to speak.

Want to send RYRY? Load up a tape.

Want to send a ASCII depiction of your wife? Load up a tape.

So this thing about macros isn't new. What is new is that they are about the only thing being sent.

Face it, intelligent conversation and courteous discourse is dead.
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W3LK on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
That's the funniest thing I have read in weeks - and unfortunately all too true. It's why I quit PSK31 (and most other digital modes) after a couple of weeks. It's as bad as the drivel teenagers use when texting on their cell phones.

Thanks for giving me a good chuckle to start the week with.

73,

Lon - W3LK
Naugatuck, Connecticut
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving - Writer's reply  
by N4UM on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Let me apologize for some typos (my poor typing skills) and a few editing glitches in my article. I did some crazy formatting in attempting to capture the full flavor of macroboorism but that didn't make it thru the editing process. Apparently most of you got the message anyway.

I would like to extend a hearty thank you to the flamers who gave me great pleasure by expressing their displeasure. I suspect that these people have trouble looking in mirrors and listening to audio recordings of their voices as well. Sometimes it hurts to see yourself as others see you. In my case however, your flames have served to heighten my feelings of positive unconditional self regard (Carl Rogers on that, good buddy!)

Many of you correctly pointed out other areas in ham radio where similar problems exist. Digital macroboorism is indeed symptomatic of a more widespread malaise that seems to permeate so many aspects of our hobby and of society in general.

I'm sure most of you realize that I did not mean to offend the small number of truly handicapped hams who must resort to the use of mouth held typing sticks in order to communicate. It's that somewhat larger group that hold their typing sticks in one of their other orifaces that my comments were directed towards.

Vacuuously yours,

Timothy
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by N4LI on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I do work a little PSK, and yes, macros abound. Frankly, though, I am not super-interested in your rig (unless your IMD is bad) and the software/computer you are using is just totally irrelevant. But, in a contest, it does make matters much easier. Why type "599 TN Peter" over and over, if the computer will do it for you?

Now, as far as using computer databases to look up the operator's name? You gotta be careful. I have had this call 5 years, but still have people call me by the name of the SK who used t hold the call.

"Sorry. Name's Peter. Jim's dead."

And, so it goes.

Peter, N4LI
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KR4WM on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Gee whiz. I assumed some folks would take this treatise to heart! I have two words for you: SETTLE DOWN!!! You need to flip on the comedy channel and watch reruns of MadTV for a few hours! Then, and ONLY THEN, come back and re-read this!

As for me- I don't use buffers. I learned to type fast enough that I can usually out-type them anyhow. This, after I failed "personal typing" in high school! If you're uncomfortable typing fast, get yourself a copy of one of those video games where the letters fall from the top of the screen and you have to type the letter before it hits the bottom. They come faster and faster. That -WILL- build up your typing skill!

I agree with the author- macros should not be designed so as to take the place of what rightfully should be hand-typed. Only the most common things sent over and over to everyone you QSO with should become a macro. Maybe your name and location, and that's about it.

The only thing I take exception to is the author's opinion of what a station description should consist of. The "brag tape" has a time-honored history in the ranks of RTTY ops. There was a time when it was considered polite to brag over RTTY that you had a Pentium-class computer running the show! So what if someone wants to show off a bit? And if you really want to tie up your PC and radio, try receiving a large piece of ASCII art!

I may get on PSK-31 once a year for a few hours. I much prefer ordinary RTTY for nostalgic reasons.

73, -KR4WM
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving - Writer's re  
by KC2RGW on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
It's all a matter of who you find for the contact.

I like to rag chew on any mode I work and I've had my share of macro only exchanges on psk and other digi modes, but I've also sat for more than an hour in a full QSO with plenty of people.

It's sort of amusing that in many of the extended digi mode QSOs I've had, people frequently mention how nice it is to have an actual conversation. I think more people are inclined to do it than people think.

Don't just stop with the macros, ask questions that aren't covered by most people's macros and find out if you have a willing participant.

I honestly think it is a lack of typing skills that stops many people.

Working digi is nice when I either don't want to hear all the band noise or conditions in the shack don't allow for it. It's a great alternative.
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving - Writer's re  
by K3AN on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
The author really hit the mark. It's almost as bad as a contact with rare DX. "K3AN, five-nine. QRZed? Listening up."



 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving - Writer's re  
by K6CRC on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I am glad that some hams have a sense of humor, and like to write.

It is really hard to write even one half page of humor. Generally, it is much easier to write a technical article. I know, I have written may of both types. If you really want good humor, go back and read through Dave Barry's syndicated columns over the past 10 years. THAT is good writing.

As a relatively new General, I find PSK interesting, but not something I like to do. I think it is important to have that capability, as I could carry on a QSO in PSK when voice could not get through. Say, bad propagation in an emergency situation.

In it's defense, I have a neighbor who had a mild stroke, and PSK is the only way he can stay on the air. His speech is bad, and cw is really hard. With PSK, he can type with one hand and communicate with macros for log in and out. Like every other mode, it has it plus and minus issues.

Also, do we have to revisit the code issue with every column? Hey, WWI is over folks, many people don't care any more, lets move on.

 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving - Writer's re  
by G8UBJ on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
have to agree RTTY ops will have a brag tape (Macro) but you have more chance of a QSO... not many can type fast enough to keep up at 45 Baud. So PSK = TIDN
(Technology I don't need)
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W5NM on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Some of my best qso's have been on PSK31.
and I'll leave it at that...
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by WW5AA on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Tim,

I'm laughing so hard it hurts! Set up the digital modes for a month and found out it's not my cup of tea. Enough said.

73 de Lindy
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W4LGH on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"What I can't understand is why they didn't replace it with either a typing requirement or, better yet, an IQ test!"


KF4HR said..."Whoa, time out Tim! You're definitely venturing into dangerous territory! If the FCC were to embed IQ questions within their standard amateur tests, we would not be enjoying the large amateur population we currently have today. Far from it! "

So has it really helped to have this "Large Number" of Hams that have no idea of what they are doing? Guess you believe in Quanity and not Quality?

But again...you can just SPIN the "Big Knob". Been doing a lot of that lately.

73 de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com


 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KE7FD on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I'm not sure if I have an opinion either way. PSK has been a great tool for those non-English speakers who can build a macro. Since English is my only proficient language, I appreciate the means that others use to enjoy the hobby. At the same time, I have run into those operators who just press the function keys and click their mouse. Heck, anyone can do that. There might be legitimate reasons why someone would use macros exclusively but, after the exchange of the usual stuff, if we can rag chew freely at the keyboard, what's the worry if there are some typos? This isn't a spelling bee or beauty pageant. Take some time and get to know the operator at the other end. After all, one of the purposes of amateur radio according to the FCC is to build good will. You can't do that very well if you're just running macro's. Now if it's a context, that's a different story...

IMHO...
Glen
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W5VPU on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hi, Tim.

Must be a variation of the "fw:fw:fw: . . . " of computer land. Rather send out something without having to actually think.

Ever listen to ragchews on 75? Many contain more information than anyone wants to know. With all the "uhs" and "You knows," CW could get the actual message across so much easier. Some folk don't really want to communicate. Just want to hear their own voice or see it on a monitor screen.

Why do they do it? Because they can.

What a strange species we humans have turned out to be.

Raymond
 
New Species of Amateur 'Offendents'  
by K4RAF on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
This has EVOLVED since 1982 when RTTY was running VIC-20's!!! Nothing new, nothing insulting...

It just amazes me that millions of keyboard-to-keyboard contacts can occur every hour worldwide amongst computer users yet the "Greatest Communicators" can't seem to type something out of the can (non-macro).

Raf
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KE7MYL on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Timmy:

Wow, your knickers are really in QUITE a bunch!

Almost ALL of my PSK contacts are from amateurs that do not speak English!
This makes for a great deal of macro use on their part. This does not offend me in the slightest. These amateurs are very happy to make contacts to the states, and most are just a short exchange of greetings, station equipment, WX and best wishes. A few times I have had long interesting keyboard conversations with overseas amateurs that could communicate in English. Like a lonely VK amateur in an outback cattle camp using a small generator and a makeshift inverted V just to find someone to talk to.
Or the interesting JT station from Mongolia.

If the common stateside macro stations bother you, do as I do. Set up a narrow filter and seek out the weakest distant signals you can find. Yes, you will find macros. But you will have a lot of interesting fun too.

Also, I am afraid that your second post reveals that the feigned humor used in your article was hiding your rather inflated sense of self worth and superiority.
Please, please stop the sniveling and Buck Up OM!

73 de KE7MYL

Richard---Rick---Ricky or just OM….
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by K0DCH on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Timothy,
Much of what you say is true. I operate quite a bit on PSK but use only a couple of macros. I generally try to engage in conversation that goes way beyond any prepared macros and most of my qsos are fairly interesting. Macro-driven qsos tend to be brief.

The macro that I see quite often with non-US operators is: "My dear friend...". A little weird, but I attribute it to the fact that we are generally communicating in English, not the operator's native language.

Actually, many cw contacts tend to be almost as sterile as a macro psk exchange. Name, qth, rst...

In either case if you make an effort to raise mutually interesting topics an interesting qso is often the case in my experience.
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by AA4PB on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Watch some of the guys type and you'll be so glad that they use macros :-) N (diddle diddle) A (diddle diddle diddle) M (diddle diddle) E (diddle diddle) ....
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving - Writer's re  
by KG4ZVA on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"I would like to extend a hearty thank you to the flamers who gave me great pleasure by expressing their displeasure. I suspect that these people have trouble looking in mirrors and listening to audio recordings of their voices as well. Sometimes it hurts to see yourself as others see you. In my case however, your flames have served to heighten my feelings of positive unconditional self regard (Carl Rogers on that, good buddy!) "
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so in other words you are nothing but a troll trying to get some attention. i have no problem with mirrors nor as a former DJ have any problem with voice recordings as my voice has been recorded many times in many venues. like stated earlier you are the type of ham that is killing ham radio.
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"Vacuuously yours,

Timothy "
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1. without contents; empty: the vacuous air.
2. lacking in ideas or intelligence: a vacuous mind.
3. expressing or characterized by a lack of ideas or intelligence; inane; stupid: a vacuous book.
4. purposeless; idle: a vacuous way of life.

yup, you got that right

 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by K5OMS on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well let me speak from a dxers point of view.

When I am at 7P8CF this next July and Aug. I will work some psk31. but I dont care what rig you are using or antenna. I just want your call and signal report. Why you ask well there are 50 more hams calling me at the same time so in order to get them into the log need to work fast. Yes back in the old RTTY days they would put on the brag tape but not to a DX station trying to give others a new country and mode.
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by N3JBH on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I would assume that if one was to engage in verbal social intercourse it is best to wear there
Phonetic prophylactic then. You know better to have safe colloquial Exchange then be similitude to impudence. :) Jeff N3JBH
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by WA1RNE on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

I don't operate digital modes and didn't realize macros were being abused. I guess it stands to reason this might get a little boorish after a while.


You ended with:


"In spite of having spent more than 50 years operating primarily on CW I can see why the FCC finally abandoned the code requirement . What I can't understand is why they didn't replace it with either a typing requirement or, better yet, an IQ test!'



>>> On the other hand, the typical CW preamble has always been a little too "formatted" and might also be considered boorish:


i.e.

"ur sig is 5NN - QTH is East Kalamazoo, MI - name here is Jack - BK....."

"Rig here is Icom 706mk3 and dipole up 50"

"WX is 50 deg - BK...."



How many of these have you "processed" in 50 years??


I guess that's why I always preferred voice modes.


>>> WA1RNE

 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KB9RQZ on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
call me humorless if like it will be the least of what I get called by hams on daily basis

the article missed as far as humour goes IMO but that is entirely besides my point I keep reading reading articles hereof the same format "hamm (all or in some subset) are bad becuase they (insert rant) they should be changed (insert they should do it the aurthors way)

frankly one of the reasons I suported and became a NoCoders is because I was tired of people telling me how to run my station.

I don't want to be told how to run my station. I don't want to be mocked for how I run it. I don't want to be toldwhat hams I may QSO with. My wife kd8ctl gave uptrying CW a mode she has an interest after being mocked on the air for something and then finding the other station had started a thread about that CW lid on QRZ.com, thankfully without naming her or her call. killed all interest in the mode for her.

the repition of this sort of certainly has the chance of killing the hobby

this article certainly IMO is a repition of that sort thing

if people want to run macros well yes it can be overdone, but mocking people is not generaly a way take get them to do what you want indeed today it easily provokes them to leave the activity or to say and feel to you Foxtrot Uniform or worse

the most famous current on air is basicaly one gruop of ham tekling another if you dare to discuss something we disaporve of we will qrm you and we will stalk you and that speak to you online and off

as I said call me humourless if if tyou like that sort of thing just ain't funny.

it is a nail in the coffin some seem to try to build for this hobby
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KB9RQZ on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
call me humorless if like it will be the least of what I get called by hams on daily basis

the article missed as far as humour goes IMO but that is entirely besides my point I keep reading reading articles hereof the same format "hamm (all or in some subset) are bad becuase they (insert rant) they should be changed (insert they should do it the aurthors way)

frankly one of the reasons I suported and became a NoCoders is because I was tired of people telling me how to run my station.

I don't want to be told how to run my station. I don't want to be mocked for how I run it. I don't want to be toldwhat hams I may QSO with. My wife kd8ctl gave uptrying CW a mode she has an interest after being mocked on the air for something and then finding the other station had started a thread about that CW lid on QRZ.com, thankfully without naming her or her call. killed all interest in the mode for her.

the repition of this sort of certainly has the chance of killing the hobby

this article certainly IMO is a repition of that sort thing

if people want to run macros well yes it can be overdone, but mocking people is not generaly a way take get them to do what you want indeed today it easily provokes them to leave the activity or to say and feel to you Foxtrot Uniform or worse

the most famous current on air is basicaly one gruop of ham tekling another if you dare to discuss something we disaporve of we will qrm you and we will stalk you and that speak to you online and off

as I said call me humourless if if tyou like that sort of thing just ain't funny.

it is a nail in the coffin some seem to try to build for this hobby
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KF6HCD on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Good article. I saw the humor and the lesson in it.

If I ever get the money/equipment to try this facinating mode, I will definitely keep this in mind when I make contacts. I will probably use macros, but not to the extent you have described.

73
Ken
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by OK1RR on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Brilliant article, Tim! Very true!
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by K2ID on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Timothy =================> Response: I know what you mean <insert call sign here>.

As some posters already said, the art of verbal communications is going by the wayside. I see it with my young relatives and hear it when young hams get on the air and I try to engage them in conversation only to hear "errr" or "ummm" after every single word. If I am on a repeater with friends and we try to put the young ham in our rotation (we are a friendly bunch and welcome newcomers), they usually either bow out or simply disappear.

Unfotunately, things change, whether good or bad, and there is nothing we can do about it. I stopped moaning about it a long time ago because the only person I was making miserable was me. I remember when I introduced email to my company. People refused to use it as they said it was too impersonal and disrespectful because it eliminated the personal touch of someone using a typewriter and signing it. Made no sense to me but that is how resistant to change people are. Now if our email goes down everyone calls me asking me what to do. I simply tell them to use the telephone or fax and wonder why they did not think of that. :)
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by K2ID on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I forgot to mention that I do not like conversing using the written word. It is great for business use and to convey instructions but not so great to use in conversational mode.

I am expressive when I speak and use nuances of my voice to convey my mood which can be serious about what I am saying or playfully kidding around. As I see all the time at work. Email does not convey the nuances that verbal communications does. I have seen many people take offense at things that were written lightheartedly or in jest.

I stay off of the digital modes unless there is a contest where macros are appropriate. I usually end up pressing the wrong key or forgeting to enter the other ham's information and send the wrong text or stupid things that do not have the variable fields filled in. I rather hear the person I am conversing with. I love to hear accents and the tone of voice. It is Phone mode for me most of the time.
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by 5R8GQ on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
K5OMS SAID

"When I am at 7P8CF this next July and Aug. I will work some psk31. but I dont care what rig you are using or antenna. I just want your call and signal report. Why you ask well there are 50 more hams calling me at the same time so in order to get them into the log need to work fast."
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This is soooooo true. Have you ever been on the receiving end of PSK31 pileup? I have many times and it is not pretty. The Macroboors will CONTINUE to send one brag file after another even though we have exchanged reports and I have said "tnx short QSO, hope to work you other bands, other modes, 73 de 5R8GQ SK SK QRZ?".

I DO understand the use of macros for non English speakers.....just please keep them SHORT. (Do you think that anybody gives a monkey's butt what OS your computer is running?)

That being said, I still find PSK31 to be a very fun and rewarding mode. And a fine ragchew mode as well IF you get past the macros. It's remarkably robust mode for QRP as well. Just a shame some LAZY ops have to ruin by being button pushers. BORING! Like some have said: If you can't type, don't use keyboard modes.
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by AB1HH on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Frankly, I think that judicious use of macros is a sign of a good operator. There's a lot of boiler plate information that people want to know that is the same in every QSO. If this information is sent efficiently, there is more time for good conversation. The obvious examples are name, QTH, grid locator, and RST (RSQ). It can be tedious to watch a slow typist enter this information.

Other macro examples include the "brag list," which lists the transceiver, antenna, and power level.

Not all hams use the "brag list" macro, especially the non-English speakers. Frankly, I find this information interesting, and am disappointed when it's left out. It's fun to see for example, that the guy I'm talking to 5000 miles away is camping out and has a dipole strung up in the trees outside his tent. It's also fun to see that the guy in Scotland (about 8000-9000 miles away from me) with a gorgeous signal is using a Steppir beam antenna at 25 meters. If I see the other guy is using an Elecraft K3 or a Flex-Radio SDR, I may want to ask him how he likes it.

With modern software such as DM780, a good operator can modify and add to a macro even as it is being sent. Macros can contain hints to promote rag chewing.

My brag list macro indicates that I live on a tiny island in the middle of the Pacific ocean, and that I am here for a couple of years. This information is there to stimulate conversation, and it often succeeds at that.

By the same token, often times I'm not interested in having any conversation at all. I simply want to see what the propagation is like, or what my simple rig and antenna are capable of. So, I'll have a series of quick, macro driven QSO's. When I get bored with that, I'll have a long ragchew.

So really, you can make whatever you want out of it, whatever suits your mood at the moment.

 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by WA3YAY on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
To me PSK31 is a poor mode for ragchewing anyway. Any non-voice mode is asking for for Carpal Tunnel problems when you're just sitting and BSing. I only like PSK31 for the DX potential. Frankly, and stop calling me Frank, I only think about the QTH of the contact, not much about the operator. Boy, talk about being anti-social ; )

Macros for everyone!
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KI6SUN on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Friends...
It's a HOBBY. It's OK to be passionate, but when it causes your blood pressure to rise and insults to spew from your mouth, it has become something unhealthy bordering on obsession. As a society we have become such a dour humorless bunch ready to take violent offence at the tiniest "disrespect". And it's not just Amateurs, it's people in general. Opinions are like rectums...everyone's gone one. So take a deep breath, relax and consider taking up knitting if radio causes too much anger.

73
KI6SUN
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by K2ID on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I do not think it was mentioned so I will do so. Most of those Macro's you see come predefined with software Programs like Ham Radio Deluxe. The user simply inserts his/her info into the predefined macros. That is why you see so many "My dear man" and formatted station descriptions that include the computer OS and other uninteresting things. The sad part is that some hams are too lazy to create their own macros or they are unable to do so due to computer illiteracy, which I see all the time. Most times I can tell when someone is using Ham Radio Deluxe just by the wording of the various macros being used.

So your macroboor may actually be a macrolazy or a macroilliterate. :) For some, digital modes are the only way they can reach out further with their equipment and make contacts that they could not otherwise make by voice. They may not be interested in holding a conversation but feel obligated to exchange some information. Whatever their reason no one is forcing me to talk to them so they do not bother me.
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by N2ZXE on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well...

Although I understand your point, let's take a vote. How many people here touch type? I do, I average to about 80 words per minute on an average day, 50 when I'm tired, and about 100 when I'm not making errors. I like PSK-31, because I can have a decent conversation why? because, I touch type. I do use macros for CQ because, c'mon, it gets old rather quickly. I have not been able to ragchew with anybody, because nobody touch types, so I endure the macros, do the drive by QSO, say good bye, send cards, rinse, repeat...

I think that if I write a CW to PSK-31 perhaps people would be willing to converse using a bug or paddles on PSK-31. But, for the time being, I'll issue a CQ RAG CQ RAG on PSK-31 to see if I can have a QSO longer than 20 seconds, or 3 macros, whichever comes first.



 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by AF6AY on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Tim Cotton (N4UM) on October 20, 2008 got mad as heck and couldn't take it anymore so he wrote...

"New species of amateur evolving - The rise of macrospeak."

Got news for you, T-C, the old-timer MACROBOOR "evolved" long ago.

The first "macros" were the "prosigns" and "Q-codes" used a LONG time ago when code thought it was king in radio. Actually, the word "macro" wasn't in use then and wouldn't be for several decades. But, the evolution continued until the CW contacts took on the semblance of one giant macro all by itself...an exchange of callsigns, signal report, and the inevitable "weather" (local temperature). Wow! Real exciting information exchange.

Then the old-timer MACROBOOR went into a general description of his station and how LONG he'd been a ham, all of which was (psychologically) intended to sway the listener on how good he was at radio...much, much better than the 'average' ham.
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N4UM: "I must confess that I find a macroboor's belabored and overblown station descriptions helpful at times... particularly if I need to make a trip to the fridge or to the bathroom - maybe even both during a single macro."

For the last half century I've found the old-timer MACROBOOR to be the same. They've operated CW ("it's my favorite mode"...yah, uh-huh, whoopee) forever and ever, practically a world expert at it. Never mind that all the rest of the radio world GAVE UP on CW, "amateurs invented radio" and its still the "most wonderful mode that ever was." A problem on voice modes or in-person meetings is that one can't leave and do other things.

The old-timer MACROBOOR has all the latest equipment, high-power, can work signals 20 db under the noise floor with perfect clarity...and spends his time on forums such as this to advertise how good he is and how faithful to the ARRL he is. Above all, he is faithful to some imaginary credo long publicized (over a half century) on how "valuable the ham is to the community" or some such similar fiction.

A sub-species of the old-timer MACROBOOR is the dumpster-dipping scrounger who can always build a superior HF radio out of junk. To hear that sub-species type say it, it can be done in minutes or hours. Another sub-species of old-timer MACROBOOR is the one that belongs to at least a half-dozen organizations and uses them in Internet message sign-offs. Most of these old-timer MACROBOORs seem to spend endless hours on the Internet negatively critiquing newcomers and charging them with moral perfidy for not fitting in with the 1930s mold of the "proper" ham attitude. [news flash: the 1930s was SEVEN DECADES ago]

N4UM: "Macroboors are fascinated with the word the."

Old-timer MACROBOORs are fascinated with the word 'me.' Or at least 'I.' They are fascinated with themselves and their stupendous achievements (of actually getting an HF station to work...even when most, if not all, were purchased ready-to-go).

N4UM: "They also love the word here. For example, "The rig here consists (oh yes, I failed to mention consists) of blah blah blah.""

Old-timer MACROBOORs have the SAME fascination...except they can't see it. <shrug>

N4UM: "The have read Shannon and Weaver in the original and are true believers in coding redundancy."

T-C, I've still got THE paper by Claude Elwood Shannon that was published in the Bell System Technical Journal (BSTJ), copy courtesy of the University of Illinois. The rest of the electronics (that includes that subset called 'radio') works by it every day. Also the MIT "Red BooK" by Peterson and Weldon ("Error Correcting Codes" - 2nd Edition). As a retired electronics design engineer, I believe what is written because such Laws WORK.

By the way, Shannon never used "CW" (on-off keying continuous wave) as an example in 1947. He used teleprinter coding to show throughput versus random noise versus bandwidth. Shannon's Law works with "CW" too except the sub-species MACROBOOR tries (badly) to convince all others that it doesn't apply. Ignorance is, but we can't tell some old-timer MACROBOORs that it does.
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N4UM: "Clearly if you say nothing the message always gets thru."

Nonsense statement. The ABSENCE of data is NOTHING.
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N4UM: "Beware if you answer an unfamiliar station’s CQ and the guy comes back to you with your name or (more likely, the name your mother used to call you when she was really mad at you) and you haven’t even told him your name yet. Be really wary if he comes back with "Hi , nice to meet you." When this happens, hit your macro button fast and get out of there!"

By golly, T-C, I hope we never have a change to meet in person. Normally, if someone new greets me with that phrase, I exchange pleasantries and get on with a conversation. I would guess you just don't like to communicate with anyone that just doesn't DO LIKE YOU WANT THEM TO. [example: They should acknowledge that you are so much better than you and show you the utmost respect and admiration, perhaps doing some fawning as well...]

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N4UM: "In spite of having spent more than 50 years operating primarily on CW I can see why the FCC finally abandoned the code requirement . What I can't understand is why they didn't replace it with either a typing requirement or, better yet, an IQ test!"

Tsk, dragging out the old Code Test controversy again? Of course, the main topic of the old-timer MACROBOOR is that Code Test controversy. The FCC "should make all newcomers do exactly what YOU did so very long ago!" Without the test newcomers are "beneath you" and your mighty accomplishments.

I keyed up my first HF transmitter in February 1953. One of the small (36 total) transmitters at an Army station. NOTHING at that station ran OOK CW. It was all RTTY and SSB (except for a few old-format FAX images). That 3-year experience led me to change my life career goals to electronics and engineering. Since then I've repeatedly heard countless repetitions of the ham old-timer MACROBOOR tales and stories on how "deficient" all these new-fangled non-OOK-CW modes were...and how the newcomers were always POS equivalents. Yawn.

At age 74 I got my very first amateur radio license. I'm not a newcomer in radio, especially not HF. I'm not a newcomer to the old-timer MACROBOOR either since those have been around as long as I can remember. Now, having reached 76, I'm giving sincere throught to getting rid of my new amateur radio equipment. I thought it might be another "fun" hobby in retirement. Not near as much fun as I thought. Too many old-timer MACROBOORs busy telling me how much better they are than I could ever be. Yah...suuuure...

I look forward to the future even if I won't see it. All of electronics has been totally fascinating to me and I'd like to see more folks getting into the wonder of this constantly-evolving technology field. All I seem to encounter on these forums is more old-timer MACROBOORs telling me (in no uncertain terms) that everything should be frozen in time to when THEY were young. In the main, these old-timer MACROBOORs are just too self-centered. That's disappointing to me. It's disappointing to potential newcomers.

Newcomers are still arriving in USA amateur radio, but their numbers just barely exceed the amateur expirations. It should be obvious that they don't give a darn for all the old-timer MACROBOORs and their "lectures." They want to do their own thing, not follow the credos of the 1930s.

No 73s to you,
Len AF6AY




 
Macros are very useful  
by WB4M on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
You try to hide your true beliefs by trying to sound humorous, but I have also heard others complain about short QSO's in digital modes, mostly by using macros.
But sending station info is part of every QSO I've ever had, regardless of mode, and I find it interesting to hear what the other ham is using.
It makes sense to use macros on the digital modes, otherwise you have to type the same old stuff over and over again. But they are just a small part of my QSO's, I'll send the station info via macro and that's about it for macro use. I can touch-type very fast so long pauses between words or letters is not a problem for me.
Some guys cannot type fast, and use macros to compenstate, same goes for hams who do not speak much English.
If you do not like macros, don't use them, but don't complain about hams who do use them either.
 
RE: Macros are very useful  
by RADIO123US on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
AF6AY said "I'm not a newcomer in radio, especially not HF. I'm not a newcomer to the old-timer MACROBOOR either since those have been around as long as I can remember. "

Sorry to burst your bubble Len, you got you ticket in 2007, that means you are a NEWBIE...in about 10 - 15 years you MIGHT qualify as an old-timer , if you learn a few things....
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by G0GQK on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I only use PSK these days and most of what you write is true, but the situation in Europe is entirely different to that in the US. Most people in the US speak only one language, or maybe Spanish, but most of the indigenous Americans speak English.

There are at least thirty countries in Europe and only three of them speak English. Many Europeans have only a smattering of English and most of that is "radio" English. The same situation applies when they send macro messages, they understand some words, QTH, Icom, QRZ etc. but they would find it impossible to stand in the street and have a conversation with you. That's OK, my Russian is a bit rusty these days !!!

Using macro's in digital modes allows hundreds of radio amateurs all over Europe to make contacts in extremely poor conditions, except when there's a contest of course, but even people with little English can become very bored with 0098 5/9 QRZ ?

Operating digital modes is just one facit of radio, I would be bored speechless with gigahertz radio beating a 100 mile record contact, WOW !!!!

As for the avoid anyone who sends the message " Hello Bill WR6ZZZZ in Kalamazoo, nice to see you on 17 metres today " What's wrong with that ? The whole population of America never stops saying " Have a nice day ", which I can assure you gets up the nose of most Europeans !

I've seen a number of those live contacts in the US, some type so fast they think they're in a contest to spew as many words as they can, and others are one finger typists where a sentence can take many minutes and I'm looking out the shack window because I know exactly what he's going to send, before he does !

But that's life baby, if you don't like it, don't go there. I collect IARU locator squares and that is what I do, and what irritates me more is the fella who's QTH is somewhere in Africa he tells you his name, and his signal report ( who cares about signal reports, they can either read the messages, or they can't ) and then tells you to look his details up in QRZ when he could quite easily send them, BUT he is a rare country so he can do it, can't he ?

And the never ending repetition of people telling me that there is QSB ! Do they think that I don't know there's QSB. I've never yet had a contact with an American when he didn't tell me there's QSB, that's the way it is, that's amateur radio, its not digital radio from the radio station 10 miles away !

Anyway, I enjoy myself and if I wan't to be pleased to meet my fellow amateurs using PSK, and you don't like it, tough !!

G0GQK
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KE5OAD on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Guys,
I'm relatively new to Ham Radio. Coming up on 2 years now. I'm 42 with a great wife and 19 and 17 year old boys. I'm right on the edge of what you'd call a Baby Boomer and a Gen Xer. I follow what my dad (KD4VA-SK) taught me about family, faith, and work ethic, but I definitely lean towards being a Gen Xer in terms of use of technology.

As I recall, there were some recent articles on the ARRL website about the average age of Hams. I walk around hamfests and have to agree with those articles. If this hobby is to go on without major encroachments into our bandwidth, or even survive for a few more generations, we have to keep it young. In doing so, we have to realize that my kids generation want to see new technology to make it more interesting for them.

Right now, my kids call Ham Radio an adult MySpace. I'm good with that, because they think it's cool when I hotwire my radio to HRD and they see the computer light up with QSO's (text messages) going across the screen. JT65 and other digital modes? Greatness. Satellite? Really cool and still current. SDR? Next generation for ham radio already a generation behind. Ham radio is an expensive hobbby. With Open Source technology (meaning free) abounding, we need explosive growth in SDR to maintain the hobby into the generations.

I know two code guys can send text faster that two kids sending text messages on their cell phones. I also know it was in the good ole days when you could piece together a radio from spare parts. Time passes and we grow in technology. I think of morse code as being 1st generation digital (in a way)and now we have a bunch of 2nd generation digital modes. Consider it a solid progression to go on to the next generation. It's ok. People still program in Basic, but not so much anymore. Kids will still do that in the future, but mostly they want plug-n-play radios, antennas, monitors, SDR, etc. And when it breaks, they'll probably just buy a new one. There's something wrong with that I know, but who didn't pass along rebuilding something for just the enjoyment of it? For what it' worth, my Dad taught me and I am teaching my boys to fix it rather than be a parts replacer.

So, please, embrace change. You did it with the phone. At the hamfests, I see old men in overalls wearing silly-looking Bluetooth earpieces for their fancy cell phones (I turned my cell phone off a year ago... too much of a leash!) I'm looking forward to the next 5-10 years in the ham radio industry. I can't wait till 2015 to get the new Google 400 watt SDR radio with vhf/uhf/hf, monitor, and keyboard for $500.

Sincerely!
Kevin Groth
N9EME (ex ke5oad)
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W3OZ on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well I have done the digital things from PSK-31 to SSTV just to see how it works and see if I could do it. It was kind of fun, but I did not get that much out of it. But a lot of the younger folks especially the real young ones, we all seem to think are sooooooooooooo important for the hobby, love computers and this is bringing them into the fold. So maybe we should be a little more tolerant of them and understand that maybe this is just a stepping stone to other things. Welcome them in and even though this was meant to be humors, some may take it as a slam by a bunch of old guys and nobody wants to be an old guy. And you CW bigots, lay off, it is getting real old. If I said everyone should have a piece of apple pie, one of you guys would say yes but it is not as good as CW. I do CW, and am an old 20wpm Extra, but it is not the end of the world for heavens sake.
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W2SFD on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Timothy,

Stop whining and get on the modes and have some QSO's. There are just as many great types of QSO's on the digital modes as any other mode. Your sarcasm is unjust. If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. You only present a something negative.

Hey, I see just as many old time hams take so long to type something the waterfall is nothing but lines, or want to carry on a long QSO, when all some want is to get a signal report and move on. Man, lighten up! Again, if you don't like the mode, stay off it, but don't complain about what others like just because you don't.

Man, hams are not this annoying on the air, only behind the keyboard!!!!

73 de W2SFD
George

 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by G3LBS on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Dale Carnegie in 'How to stop worrying and start living', said 'Don't expect gratitude'.
When I speak into the mike I don't expect that anyone is listening.
In particular I avoid nets because of the danger of going SK before my turn to speak.
It is the same with eHam - I do not expect anybody to read this before they blast off. I can always tell that the next contributor hasn't read my contribution.
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by N4UM on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Melvyn(G0RQK) and others:

I've had several comments about my quote regarding someone saying "Hi, It's nice to meet you." What I orginally wrote was "Hi, it's nice to meet you <NAME>." The "<NAME>." got chopped off in the editing process and I wasn't given a chance to read the edited article before it was published. I think you would agree that the deletion of "<NAME>" from this sentence changes its entire meaning. If you don't... I'm afraid I can't help you.

There were other editing changes that took place as well but I won't go into them. I think the majority got the message of the article which was NOT anti-macro (some of my best friends use macros) but for the small minority that didn't "get it" - let me spell it out that it was really about the abuse of other human brings by means of macros. I use macros every day and feel that they have a legitimate place in digital communications but I certainly wouldn't let them comprise the bulk of an actual "conversation."

Tim, N4UM
 
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by AF3Y on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Perhaps I am imagining this, but it seems like most of the hams here "praising" digital modes are General class? Just curious. Probably has NOTHING to do with the message of the thread though. Just curious.........
 
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by WB8ROL on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Oooops sorry <YOUR NAME>, I hit my macro button! (this message generated by macro #28) 73 de <MY CALL>
 
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by WB8ROL on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I love digital and I'm an extra class license and this is NOT a macro hi hi I operate 90% Olivia mode and 9% other digi modes and 1% 2mtr FM/SSB
I have REAL QSO's with a modest low profile station which I can't do with SSB often and CW doesn't get through as well as Olivia. If it weren't for digital I would leave ham radio and spend more time with my other hobbies.
I have NO problem with macros used sensibly BUT I have heard the macroboors and they DO exist. especially on PSK and RTTY since these modes don't really work well enough to be really good ragchew modes.
Part of the problem is that many of the RTTY and PSK users don't KNOW that these modes are inferior and primarily lend themselves to short DX, contest, or macroboor QSO's.
 
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by N3OX on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I like to have a little chat on the digital modes every once and a while.

I probably prefer a real back and forth but I understand that there are all sorts of reasons why people send macros. I'm a good touch typist, and I remember when I wasn't. And, as others have rightly pointed out, some folks with disabilities really can't type at all, but being able to hit a few macro buttons could let them make QSO's, contact far off places, collect QSOs and have a good time on the air.

But I think the original article hits on some real macro abuses that do bother me when I get on.

I don't care how fast your CD-ROM is or that you have a DVD burner. I don't see how, exactly, the fact that your keyboard is a Logitech comes into play, and I kind of want to know which antenna you're using right now, not all of 'em.

This goes for any and all QSOs; sending a bunch of extraneous and UNINTERESTING information is a bad idea. I'd rather get the macro about where you went to college or what your favorite car is to work on or how your first RTTY contact involved a lot of oil, metal, and gears.

I think digital modes allow people to go over the top on the canned exchange. The canned exchange has its place. I'm a DXer, mostly. I like to "ping" far away places, and if there's not too much of a pileup a "OP HR IS xx ES ANT IS 4EL YAGI AT 30M HIGH" might go through... kind of nice to know that the other guy's doing all the work and all that. A real conversation, it is not. There's too much fading and too many people waiting for that, but it's an interesting snippet of information. Interesting snippets you tell everyone on near-autopilot are OK in a lot of situations.

But the vastness of some hams' digital macros is a little bizarre.

73
Dan

 
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by N3OX on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"collect QSOs"

QSL's

If I had a macro for that I would have sent it right the first time.
 
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by N3OX on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
AF6AY, I'm guessing after a quick 1200 words tossed off toward eHam that you don't need to use any macros ;-)
 
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by N9AVY on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Tim ... pretty good attempt at humor, but lots of our fellow hams just didn't get the humor. You tried and for that you get some points. Keep in mind that flames can be an indication that people actually read your article.

Now, as for those macroboors: perhaps they might have more to say if you helped them out by starting a conversation ? I find the macros a "necessary evil" in getting across often typed info; perhaps this info can be a stepping stone to further conversation as some suggested. These macroboors are at least on the air and trying to communicate. Maybe they are newbies who could use someone like yourself to "Elmer" them into being better operators.

Okay, I admit to being a two-fingered typist (one each hand !), but I seem to do okay. When I went to school in the 60's, guys who took Typing classes weren't 'cool'. Never had much use for typing skills later in life. I get on PSK and do the best I can and have fun - that's what this hobby is about. Contesting on PSK is something I also enjoy. During a recent contest I stopped in the middle of everything to talk with a station who was NOT in the contest. We chatted keyboard to keyboard for nearly an hour and I walked away feeling better than if I had made 500 PSK contacts ! Am always willing to sit and ragchew until my two fingers get tired.

There are a couple of things I hear continually over the air, in emails and on forums which are overworked and trite. First one is the affectation of "Roggggggerrrr", geez, it makes me want to puke ! The other one is "If you don't like it, spin the dial !". These go on that same list with the on the air use of "We".


 
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by KC0RBX on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Kinda reminds me of the contact I had with a fellow who not only used qrz to look up my name very quickly but also used Google Earth to tell me what my qth looked like, as though I didn't know and as if I were wanting to know and as if I should be impressed. I do admit, I was surprised, which is different. Felt like he was spying on me or that I was a terror suspect or something.
 
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by N6AJR on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I like it great fun..


I don't type well and use some macros, but mostly I just plug along burning up the keyboard with both fingers..

My favorite is when you back up to correct something you spelled worng.... ahh wrong
 
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by KC2WI on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I hate it when someone calls me by name and/or mentions my QTH before I have told them any of that info.

I don't see the point of using the Internet in real time while you're on the radio. You're supposed to be using the radio to exchange information.

I'm not anti-digital, but to me the fun of ham radio is actually talking (or maybe sending CW) on the radio.

I work on computers all day, I don't want to be spending my radio time in fromt of a keyboard and monitor. That's why, although they might offer really great performance and features, I have no interest in a software-defined radio that doesn't have a real radio knobs and switches at least for the major functions.
 
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by AF6AY on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
N3OX posted on 20 Oct 08:

"AF6AY, I'm guessing after a quick 1200 words tossed off toward eHam that you don't need to use any macros ;-)"

Quite true. :-) I've been known to hit 5K to 10K words per day. See the index of articles on Ham Radio magazine or the FCC's ECFS on docket 98-143 (and others). :-)

Back in 1947-1948 and Junior High (we didn't call them "middle school" yet), I took a touch typing class. For one, I thought it would be useful later in life (it was). For another, it was a neat way to meet more girls. One that I met would later become my wife...worked out even better than the acquired skill. :-)

In truth, I haven't tried PSK31 yet. Back in Army service I could cruise on a 60 WPM Teletype Corporation machine no problem. As a civilian, it was no problem for me to upgrade to 100 WPM machines. Never had any "Mavis Beacon" courses. Back in 1947 our junior high mechanical typewriters had NO KEY MARKINGS. One HAD to memorize finger positions or flunk out. "White-Out" hadn't become a product yet and the cheap paper we had to use showed erasures quite plainly. It was drill, drill, drill until we GOT the kinesthetic memories implanted. Very good training over just two semesters of classes.

Haven't been on eham for months. Maybe its time for me to show some of the OTHER sides of amateur radio...OTHER than what the 'regulars' keep on babbling (and booring) about? :-)

Cordially,
Len AF6AY
 
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by W7ETA on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Unfortunately, I got boooooord trying to finish the article.

I gave up with the standard QSO format when I realized that I didn't care what gear other people were using or what their local wx is.

So, I just started sending info I was interested in, and asking questions about the op.

When I get back a caned Q, unrelated to what I've sent, I simply sign and look for another Q.

The advantage of someone loading up a 5 minute CW message is that you can send "73 tks Q de W7ETA .." and be long gone before their diatribe ends.

73
Bob

 
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by PA5MW on October 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Story with humor :)
How very true Tim!

Seen the same thing happening during our summer holliday trip to our HB0 mountain-site; "hams" answering PSK and RTTY CQ's of Rens (HB0/PA3FGA) and naming him 'HAAF'. Those are his christian initials from QRZ.com
Despite repeatedly mentioning his name is Rens, no one ever responded correctly (would have required *true operator* action during the qso I guess....)
I would call such qso's void, but hey let's not spoil those dx'ers fun, next to the fact that digi-modes are not my cup of tea anyway.

Only few people here who dig it....
Guys, build new antenna's and get on the air :)

'73 Mark, PA5MW
 
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by OZ8AAZ on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Wow, the arrogance is staggering!
How many languages do *YOU* speak? For all of your US-centric ramblings do you forget that there is a WHOLE world out there that are not as proficient in English as you are? For us macros provide the building blocks / stepping stones / scaffold to get started - sometimes we venture on into keyboard-territory and sometimes we don't.
Since you're such a big gun why don't you extend some of your mad skills to some of us foreigners who still need to learn a better English instead of this bashing? Perhaps if you took out some time to help we could get as good as to move away from macros more often?!

And as the father of two small (and noisy! :)) children I promise you digimode is a gift sent from heaven - I wouldn't have been able to do nearly as many QSO's in SSB for all the background-QRM (relax, it's "happy noise" but still...)

Lastly, don't even get me started on the PR-side of the matter: Kids are not nearly as turned on by SSB/CW as they are by digimode - when the interest is there it's much easier to talk about all the other aspects of ham radio, so...

Realise the potential instead of bashing the flaws! Digimode doesn't become a super refined mode just by picking on the short commings but rather by constant improvement - come and help!

73, Kasper (OZ8AAZ / 7S7K)
Speaks only Danish, Swedish, English and German :)
 
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by N9TA on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
It seems that I do so many things wrong in respect to my enjoyment of this wonderful hobby. I am so thankful that there are folks out there who will make the supreme sacrifice of talking to me...be it CW/PSK31/RTTY/SSB. I'm having a BLAST with Ham Radio!!

I remember one CW QSO I had with a fellow about 5 years ago who sent absolutely ROTTEN CW.....his dits and his dahs were almost exactly the same length, and there was no difference between the space length of the letters and the words. I struggled like heck with it, but we managed to have a decent QSO. I found out when I got home and entered the QSO in the log (I was doing CW/mobile on my commute home from work), that the guy was 97 years old!!
It was then that it struck me....the guy had probably been doing CW so long he knew his fist sucked, but he still loved CW so much he didn't want to give it up. I was so thankful I hadn't ragged the guy about his fist and backed out of the QSO!!
Lighten up guys....this is a FANTASTIC hobby!!

73....de....Fred N9TA
Spencer, Indiana
 
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by PE1NPG on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks Timothy!
 
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by W9OY on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
<you have to post a PICTURE and LABEL ALL YOUR ANTENNAS on your picture and then whine about this???>

Now this is a great idea you could combine an XML editor or a HTML editor with your PKS31 software and transmit web pages instead of just text.

Truly the ham radio of the future

73 W9OY
 
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by W9OY on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
<But again...you can just SPIN the "Big Knob">

Damn... my radio doesn't have a knob

 
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by AA4PB on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
You make some very good points, Kasper. We all tend to forget that some people have very good reasons for doing things differently that we do. A case in point is going after people for YELLING on the Internet when in fact many people type all caps in order to make it easier for them to read with poor eye sight.

We all (especially us Americans) need to give people a break :-)

73,
Bob
 
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by WA6NUT on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I've been a PSK31 enthusiast for over 6 years, and I enjoyed (and agreed with) N4UM's humorous discourse on the over-use of macros. Several thoughts came to mind:

PSK31 is a digital mode particularly well-suited for ragchewing.

Macros have their place: for repetitive or data-intensive text such as calling CQ, signal reports, turnovers (WØXXX de W6YYY) and signoff with QSL info.

The problem arises when the QSO becomes 90% macros, maybe due to "keyboard phobia".

One solution to the problem may be speech recognition, where the keyboard is used only for editing errors in the text generated from speech. VoPSK (Voice over PSK31) is becoming a viable mode as speech recognition technology improves. VoPSK can use macros just as with keyboard-based PSK31. VoPSK excels in spectrum efficiency vs. any other digital voice mode, and is permitted in any of the bandplan segments designated for PSK31 (including 30M).

VoPSK also uses text-to-speech technology, so you can listen to the other station's transmission. There's no need to watch the computer's display while the other station transmits!

Check out WA6NUT's Download Directory page at HamSDR:

http://www.hamsdr.com/PersonalDirectory.aspx?did=1139

where I've posted some files with information on VoPSK.

73, Rick, WA6NUT
Buena Vista, Colorado
PODXS 070 Club member #299
 
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by AA4PB on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Speaking of "turn over" macros:
W3ABC (Jim in Anytown, Maryland) DE W4DEF (Dick in Springfield, VA) Tuesday October 28, 2008 14:55:20 UTC KKKK

Like we need all this info including the date and time with each "over" :-)
 
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by K6CRC on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
a Ham sez: "Newcomers are still arriving in USA amateur radio, but their numbers just barely exceed the amateur expirations. It should be obvious that they don't give a darn for all the old-timer MACROBOORs and their "lectures." They want to do their own thing, not follow the credos of the 1930s"

Well, I am a newcomer, about a year and a half as a General. I enjoy it so far, as it allows me to play with electronics, something I haven't done much since I went over to the dark side in sales and marketing may years ago..

I have met a number of good people on the air, but too many QSOs (voice and PSK) were someone giving me a data dump on how much stuff they have and how important they are, or how new hams are stupid because we do not like CW. OK, it is the same in real life, few interesting conversations in any day. You would think that having a 'communications' hobby would mean that Hams communicate better, but it is not true at all. Forget about that new ARRL Handbook, read a good book on basic Sales strategy or take a Community College Public Speaking class. That will make you a better ham than upgrading to a US$10K rig.
 
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by KB3HG on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Tim,
Humorous ......yes
Extreme ......maybe
Presentation...very good

Yes, I think you accomplished your intended point. That is to point out that in a general way of speaking (pun
intended) Many of us have lost the art of conversation, long or short.


I'll give you a 9 out of 10 for the post.

73,
Tom

 
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by K1DA on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I remember when the local repeater was infested with computer droids whose main occupation was in proving they knew more DOS than the next guy. It was space backslash period all the time. Then Windows came along and EVERYBODY could do computer.
This too shall pass.
 
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by WA3SKN on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Why blame the mode for content?
It seems to me what drives the fingers should get the blame!
73s.

-Mike.
 
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by KT4WO on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Advanced----Does that count?
KT4WO
 
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by N2KFC on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well...what abt exechanging "moronic" 599/599 Macros for 48Hrs in CW Contest!!!This is real brain washing activity!!!
Too many Contests anyway!!!Time for Ham Radio Community to take Ham Bands back from "contest mafia"!!!

73!
John
SP2GGZ,N2KFC,YB1AQV,
 
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by W3LK on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
<< <But again...you can just SPIN the "Big Knob">

Damn... my radio doesn't have a knob >>

Trackball? <gg>

73,

Lon - W3LK
Naugatuck, Connecticut
 
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by KC0UZA on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
We all have our likes and dislikes and I am interested in why people have their opinions just like this one. If the guy can make it funny or tongue in cheek so much the better. I haven't tried digital modes yet, I use computers at work and at home and for the most part don't care to use them for radio but that's just me maybe I'll change my mind when I get around to trying it.

As for Tim and others killing amateur radio, I doubt anything said in a computer forum can ever do that. Only poor behaviour on the air can really do that and thankfully, I have experienced very little of that in my short time in the hobby.

73
Mike
 
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by N2KFC on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
NA4IT Wrote:
"No different than a contester using a voice or CW keyer sending "CQ Contest, CQ Contest". "

James,You said this so brilliantly !!!

John,SP2GGZ,N2KFC,YB1AQV,
 
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by W4WSW on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Chris, If you want to piss him up call him Timothy ja ja ja .... but you have a point here, if something is not good to you get the hell out of there and you will avoid a hart attack...

73's
Luis....
P.S. A lot of peoples call me louis or Lou or Luiggie and I don't mine ja ja ja....
 
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by N3YZ on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Its only the digimode equivalent of the CW QSO "RRR 599 599 Name hr is Gump es QTH is nr Podunk CA es 73 73 TU" thats preprogrammed into a memory key. Macros have been in CW for years.

I'm waiting for a voice keyer to voice keyer QSO.

73!

John
 
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by K9FON on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hey heres a novel idea! Lobby the FCC to do away with ham radio altogether so we wont have to bother with new hams, hams with interests other than HOLY CW, lids on 75 meters, new hams that use CB lingo and the list goes on! If we kill ham radio we wont have to get in a snit over eveything that goes on now that the CW test requirement is gone!!!
 
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by N2ZXE on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well, if there's any consolation...

I've not seen any l33t sp34k u j00 n00b on PSk-31.

:)

Luis - n2zxe


 
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by W4VR on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I dozed off after the first paragraph!
 
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by K5FH on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Tim,

Ignore the critics.

We old-timers who started out with RTTY using Teletype Corp. Model 15s have very fond memories of macros. We referred to them as "brag tapes" back then because they were punched paper tapes run on an electromechanical reperferator/distributor unit.

The situation then, as now, is that brag tapes were full of TMI (too much information) but that was only part of it. When you're in receive mode on an old Model 15 or Model 28 or whatever, the other guy's brag tape is eating up many feet of paper on your machine. I worked some guys whose brag tapes used ten feet of paper or more. This was annoying because that paper was getting harder to find by the early 1980s and was expensive when you could find it.

Some creative people would send typewritten "art" as part of their brag tapes (Xs and Os or other symbols spaced such that they drew a picture of sorts) which really ate up a lot of paper. And those old electromechanical teleprinters were mechanically limited to 60 baud (about 50WPM)- extremely slow by modern standards. Some brag tapes would last ten minutes or more at that speed. Sometimes I wondered if the other guy's finals would melt down before he signed.

Prior to computerized RTTY the only "display" you had was what was printed on the page. When computerized RTTY came about, QSOs still happened at the same speeds (60 baud) but now the words displayed a tube so the only paper you used was what you decided to print out. With a teleprinter you didn't have that option - you had to print everything in order to have a QSO.

As mentioned earlier, macros are nothing new. But at least now you can more easily ignore them.

Before pushing the macro button, perhaps it would be better to ask the other station if he wants to hear (see) a rundown of your station's vital statistics. And then keep it brief. If the other station wants more info, he'll ask.
 
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by K4HPP on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
AMEN Tim!
 
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by KC9MAV on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hey I do not even know how to set a macro in digipan!
 
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by NU4M on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Some people have nothing better to do than fuss about how the system can be improved for their liking, not thinking about the whole general population of digial modes users.
 
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by AF6AY on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Humankind invented language to satisfy its need to complain... :-)

73, Len AF6AY
 
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by KB5DPE on October 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
<<"The whole population of America never stops saying " Have a nice day ", which I can assure you gets up the nose of most Europeans !">>

Note to myself: Self, remember to write Macro for European QSOs saying "Have a sh...y day".
 
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by G3LBS on October 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Only if we detect it sometimes (rarely) means 'Drop Dead'
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by WX1F on October 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hey..Timothy...
I think you'd even complain if you were hung with a new rope!!
 
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by QRZDXR2 on October 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Yep and a lot of hams went underground leaving no trace of their connections

Like this one...

Call Sign AB9PZ Radio Service HA - Amateur
Status Canceled Auth Type Regular
Dates
Grant 03/28/2001 Expiration 06/18/2011
Effective 11/28/2007 Cancellation 03/28/2008


Licensee Information
FRN 0003112752 Type Individual
Licensee Name
Knapp, Bradley J
13240 Bobwhite Ln
Carmel, IN 46033-8959
ATTN Bradley J Knapp





Amateur Data
Operator Class Amateur Extra Prev. Op. Class General
Group A Prev. Call Sign N6KYS


Of course this loos'er seemed to be getting into just a little bit of trouble from what others said on 2/440 meters. (thou shall not jam or make indecent jesters which can be offensive and/or become harrassing that leads to perversion and/or stalking/terrorism) i.e be nice/play nice

But as you can see his license was cancled (assume FCC) after he refused to quit being a bad ham.

Easy come ... easy go.

Look ham radio is what you want to make of it. If you are serious about being a ham then you act like one. If you just want to mess around.. then you find no fun in talking to yourself and soon either get busted or quit the radio service.

No matter what happens to cell phones and the internet , ham radio is still their... old and antiquaited but like cw just keeps going on and on and on.

The new ham is no different than days of old. He joined to be part of a group. If he chooses not to contribute that is up to him. Others know it. Respect from other hams comes by earning it and not demanding it.

So the next time your in the pile up for that rare and endangered call sign.. don't feel like your going to have to wait.. jump right in and who knows.. like fishing you may just hook the fish before the other guy does.
 
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by QRZDXR2 on October 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
N3YZ on October 21, 2008
Its only the digimode equivalent of the CW QSO "RRR 599 599 Name hr is Gump es QTH is nr Podunk CA es 73 73 TU" thats preprogrammed into a memory key. Macros have been in CW for years.

I'm waiting for a voice keyer to voice keyer QSO.

-------------------------------------------------------

don't have to wait the icom pro III and above have the audio recording already under push button once programed.

Contest people use it on field day and dxpeditions. Saves on the voice. Even puts the contact number in for you.

I am waiting for the ultra computer. Programed and looks like a woman that does cooking, cleaning and other wife' duties. OH my-- what will women do then... devorce would be a thing of the past.. attornies would be out of a job... so would marrage.. kids would be perfict test tube items... women are replaced by a mach. that never quits and only needs plugging in to recharge like that pink bunny. --and you can turn them off at night to sleep--- When you get tired of her/it you trade it/her in at the swap meet for a newer model that has more advanced features. NICE
 
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by K2WH on October 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I don't use macros. I type everything and really pour it on with anything that comes to mind as if my fingers were my lips.

K2WH
 
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by KD5SFK on October 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I realize this was posted two days ago and has about 900 replies, but I just can't help but comment too.

When I'm operating PSK, I always read the mail before I call a station. If it is a string of macros, I don't call.

Of course, if you're calling CQ or answering one that you haven't been able to monitor in a previous conversation, there's no telling what you're going to get. If I get someone who appears to be Joe Macro on the other end, I send short fast questions that don't have anything to do with the info in his macros. For example:

Joe Macro: "bla bla bla rig bla bla bla antenna bla bla bla compuer bla bla bla software bla bla bla interface...btu KD5SFK de Joe Macro."

KD5SFK: "So Joe, what do you think about the extended sunspot minimum we've been experiencing here lately?"

If he can type, he'll answer in kind, and soon we'll have a good keyboard conversation going--undoubtedly both expressing how happy we are to be having said conversation instead of exchanging macros. If he can't type, he'll usually cut the QSO short. For example:

Joe Macro: ".......UM no Sunspts......BAD 4 DX.....Sory Bad Typr...Beter say 73....KD5SFK de Joe Macro: QSO Logged .....and may God bless you and every other member of your entire extended family..."

Problem solved ;)

 
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by UC1AWX on October 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I think it would be funny to cross-connect two of such "bots" by two transivers and sit back with popcorn and watch.
 
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by UC1AWX on October 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
W3TUA, judging by your post, you are not handicapped with stick in mouth. I had conversations in forums with really handicapped. Amazed and deeply respectful of their coherence, despite _slight_ lacking in text formatting.
 
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by KD6HUC on October 22, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I only did PSK31 in 2002-2003 and don't recall too much of that, but it(the macroboor)was around in small numbers even then! I just never could handle a computer in my operating position. Always did have interference getting into radio receiver from computer so I gave up and now ragchew as often as possible on any band where somebody will listen!!!
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by KC5PFI on October 23, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Indeed, speaking of the "no-sense-of-humor" HAMs, which is why every time I think I'm going to get back into it, I read a few posts and listen a bit and turn everything back off. I think some people have a Defending This-Great-Hobby(R) macro as well. I don't think it's just generational conflict, there are some genuinely atrocious people licensed in the service.

kc5pfi
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by K8YZK on October 23, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Holy Macro..a little humor, but so true in a lot of cases. I don't use macro's as I can remember which F-key I have for what, and might say 73 when I wanted to give out my info. As far as some of the stuff that I see, I for one don't care about what computer or OS is being used. I do like to know equipment that is being used at that time, not all the other stuff lying around.

Well God Bless the Holy Marco's for all
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W9SN on October 23, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Now that is humor!

I hate to get what brand, model, serial of their computer.....who cares?
 
RE: New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W5HTW on October 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I tried Instant Messaging a few times, with my daughter. But we didn't use macros.

So many types: AOL, Netscape, Yahoo, PSK31, MSN, all sorts of instant messaging.

And I did, I admit, have a contact on PSK31. I think it was about 2 years ago, not sure.

I reckon you can do PSK31 on Blackberry?

Ed
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by VK3DWZ on October 24, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, you are so right Tim. Whether we like it or not, Amateur Radio is dying. It is being replaced by Computers, and the internet. I remember the 'good-old-days' when if we wanted to get on the air on RTTY, we had to actually do some 'work'. We had to obtain an old teletypewriter, and construct a Terminal Unit, then work out how to connect it all up. Then, when we had done that, we went on the air, called 'CQ' and had fun working stations near and far. Now there is a new breed of 'Computer savy' individuals who will think you quaint (and 'old-fashioned') if you happen to mention RTTY (and mechanical machines) to them. I remember the days when we had to actually pass very hard exams to get our license -- we were 'real' Amateurs then -- not 'button-pushers' like to-day. Ah, the good old days -- they are gone forever, alas.
 
Old Species of Amateur Surviving  
by AF6AY on October 25, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
VK3DWZ, yearning for a lost youth (?) wrote:

"Yes, you are so right Tim. Whether we like it or not, Amateur Radio is dying."

...as YOU know it...

VK3DWZ: "It is being replaced by Computers, and the internet."

NO license is needed to use a personal computer or access the Internet. Come to think of it, no antenna required nor worry about the ionosphere and HF propagation... :-)
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VK3DWZ: "I remember the 'good-old-days' when if we wanted to get on the air on RTTY, we had to actually do some 'work'. We had to obtain an old teletypewriter, and construct a Terminal Unit, then work out how to connect it all up. Then, when we had done that, we went on the air, called 'CQ' and had fun working stations near and far."

You never used a key and CW?!? For SHAME! :-)

VK3DWZ: "Now there is a new breed of 'Computer savy' individuals who will think you quaint (and 'old-fashioned') if you happen to mention RTTY (and mechanical machines) to them."

I built (and partially designed) my first personal computer some 30 years ago (plus a couple months). Mostly from kits. Electronic terminal-keyboard, big powerful 48K RAM, and one 5" floppy disk drive plus cassette tape audio unit modified for "mass storage." 1976. Thirty years ago. We've come a LONG way since then.

Right now my wife is using a portable laptop computer while watching NASCAR in the family room on the HD digital TV with a flat screen and perfect video linearity and excellent clarity of picture. She is wearing noise-cancelling earphones plugged into an IR-link audio repeater for TV sound. Four decades back "digital TV" was unheard-of. So were totally portable laptop computers with over 100 GB of hard drive, over 1 MB of RAM, CDs, noise-cancelling earphones and IR links, lithium-ion rechargeable batteries, and PC clock rates of greater than 1 GHz.

Back in February 1953 I keyed up my first HF transmitter. One KW output, FSK TTY. One of three dozen at one US Army station. That was 55 years ago. We've come a longer way in radio since. Not one single satellite in orbit for any purpose back then. Now the HF spectrum is pretty well devoid of anything but HF BC, special (mostly government) radio services, and amateur radio. Few old-timer hams have ever ventured beyond HF.

Five decades ago radio amateurs had frequency control via quartz crystals or the rare VFO that was probably not calibrated very well. Nowadays it is COMMON to have quartz-controlled frequencies anywhere in a ham band to 10 Hz resolution, ANY frequency. Not only that, some ready-built transceivers for HF will have built-in lockouts to prevent transmission outside of any ham band allocation.

I could go on and on about the developments and total revolution in technology that I've seen in my 76-year lifetime. That would fall on deaf ears and blind eyes to those who just want to stop time and continually relive the days of THEIR youth. I have no pity for them, only some contempt at their refusal to acknowledge that time-now is BETTER for ALL.
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VK3DWZ: "I remember the days when we had to actually pass very hard exams to get our license -- we were 'real' Amateurs then -- not 'button-pushers' like to-day. Ah, the good old days -- they are gone forever, alas."

Thank the Lord for that. RIP to all those "good old days."

Ya know, I've gotten sick and tired of all the professional amateurs moaning and groaning about how they were so "real" once upon a time in their long-ago youth and how all the rest of us "newbies" are "button-pushing amateurs" unworthy of anything. We CANNOT stop the passage of time and NO ONE TIME was "better" than another...except, perhaps, for those who STOPPED learning anything new and wanted to keep on with those things that they thought they were good at once upon a time.

"Back when I was a young'un we whittled our own ICs out of wood!" - anon. tagline

73, Len AF6AY

PS: No macros were used or harmed in the writing of this reply.
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by WQJG327 on October 28, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Stuff like this makes me real leary of getting into amateur radio. I guess if I don't do it just right, coming right out of the gate, I will get an ear-full by the "pro's". I'd better stick with GMRS for awhile longer until I can learn what is accepted so I don't step on toes. Don't dare come out and make a few mistakes while learning.

I can tell you never had to learn another language...or if you did you don't remember what its like to not pronounce every word perfectly...and how much grace those that were native to the language had to give you while you learned.

Good grief! "The" and "Here"?! Wow...

(sits back and waits to get blasted for this comment...)
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by W8BRI on October 29, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I give this article a solid 10 on the troll meter. some advice dork....if you hate macros, psk is not the mode for you, go back to cw...the name here is....the qth is...rig is...wx is...etc.
 
New Species of Amateur Evolving  
by K8ELR on November 1, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hi,

I use psk31 on 20m. I use macros all the time.
I had a stroke a couple of years ago.
I have limited use of my right hand.
Typing for me is unbearably slow.
I guess if if you don't want to have a QSO with me so be it.

Thanks to all the hams that put up with my slow typing and use of macros.

73!
Jim K8ELR
 
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