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Ten Meter Surprise
Gordon Hubbell (N1OU)
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Space in the radio spectrum is essentially a limited commodity and we must be constantly vigilant to protect our allocations
I've read the occasional article about the F.C.C. “busting” some company for illegally using ten meters for company communications and similar articles where some hams have helped track down CB'ers using the band. I'm also aware that e-Bay and some truck stops are a source of non-certified amplifiers that can be used on both the ten and eleven meter bands. However, I just didn't realize how perfectly easy it is for any unlicensed schmuck to use ten meters. I've been naïve and maybe you have, too.
My wake-up: I was surfing through some ads on QTH.com and accidentally fat-fingered a link that took me to a site for a shop in Texas that sells CB radios. No big deal -- I hit wrong buttons and icons a lot. Out of curiosity I began browsing the store's site. Lots and lots of ten meter gear! Most of it really strange.
There were several brands listed: Cobra, Ranger, and Uniden among others. Base stations and mobiles and HT's. The pages were very clear that these radios were for ten meters, not CB. Modifications are also offered and I looked at some. There are silly ones like a “tune up” for a brand new radio. The ubiquitous “roger beep” seemed popular. Then there was one for a “noise toy”. I didn't figure that one out but it doesn't sound good.
Most of the ten meter rigs advertised had a channel display with the number “40” readily apparent. Is the fact that there are 40 channels in the CB allocation relevant here? Why wouldn't there just be a frequency readout since there are no “channels” on ten? The only conclusion I could draw was that these were CB radios deliberately re-manufactured to operate on ten (illegal without certification). Worse, could they actually operate on both ten and eleven (definitely illegal)? The ads make a big deal out of the fact that these radios have outputs in the 25-50 watt range. This seems to me to be an appeal to CB'ers who think more than 5 watts is great stuff (ham users of ten meters know five watts when the band is “in” is plenty unless you are a big gun contester after points).
I left the site with an uneasy feeling. I don't think these radios would have much appeal to hams, although single-band rigs do have a market niche. I've never seen this vendor - claysradioshop.com - on any of the other ham sites I regularly surf (e-Ham, ARRL, QRZ). Maybe I just haven't paid attention.
Moral of this story? A question actually. From time to time I've seen proposals that sellers of amateur radio gear require proof of licensing from the buyer. Being a conservative type, I'm usually against more regulations. However, like lots of other hams, I want to protect and use ten meters properly. I'm also aware that such a requirement could stifle some new amateurs-to-be who might enjoy buying a transceiver for listening while they work on their license. Plus, controlling re-sales of gear on e-Bay and similar sites would be whistling in the wind. I certainly don't advocate limiting free enterprise, but as the old saying goes, your right to swing your fist stops at the tip of my nose.
Ten meters is deader than Elvis right now and reliably good propagation on the band is still at least a couple of years off. So, except for an occasional rare opening, there's no way to “police” general activity. If there is any activity, it'll be local. If nothing else, hams using ten for local contacts need to do some vigilant “scanning around” to see if there are unauthorized users present, then make a report to their ARRL section so it can be hunted down and reported (I doubt if reporting suspected illegal use directly to the F.C.C. would get much accomplished and it would probably be a lengthy process).
What can we do, as licensed amateurs, to protect this big band from intrusion? Ten is a hoot when conditions are right and I'm eagerly awaiting some more sun spots. I'd hate to “wake up” in a couple of years to find ten full of unlicensed signals from truck drivers, cabbies, and good buddies.
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by KI6JUU on November 20, 2008
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Ten meters makes an excellent choice for several local friends to get together to practice their cw!
CW always gets through.
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by N2UGB on November 20, 2008
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Agree with previous post. Not only for practice but to keep good skills fine-tuned. Great for those of us who don't have antennas for the low bands, now that they are the most reliable.
Local clubs might promote this...even to their non-members.
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by KW6LA on November 20, 2008
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Gordon,
Interesting subject you have brought to E-Ham. Ten meters will have a number of pirate operators, when the
Band opens to the world. No doubt the older Hams remember the last two cycles back , as bootleggers have
been a problem in the past. Ten will be a microcosm of what the going on in the world in general. We will see
more people justifying breaking the rules, the Ham bands will take a hit by this sort of thing. I don’t give a hoot
about the Linear Amps on CB @ 250 watts of AM, as long as they keep it on 11 meters. The problem is with
the not so new out of band radios. Free banders will operate anywhere that is quiet . I just hope I am wrong
about it being a very big problem this coming cycle. As for the solution……. I could tell you all sorts of politically
correct means to abate this problem, but it would be a lie. Listening to many bands and modes over the years
I have found only one thing that works for the hard cases. GO RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF THEIR QSO and
like Ants, they disappear for a while. I know this sound so very mean but it seems to work most of the time.
I have indeed tried the Mr. nice guy approach ,and I will NOT repeat their verbiage toward me. Some say the 3rd.
world countries are 30 years behind us in some respect. Guess what… that means CB will peak in sales and
will end up in places like South America where they may not speak English. So now what do you do… Ask them
to stop transmitting on your Ham Band because its illegal ? ? ? Didn’t we try something with immigration that
has fail us . Any way I am all ears on this one, but I know many will think my words are harsh.
Cheers !
KW6LA / T2
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by VK4TJF on November 20, 2008
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well i'll be on 10 meters when the band gets going and i will be using it for CW and SSB with 100 watts output so those pesky pirates can piss off, i'll be the one causing QRM to them!
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by N8VB on November 20, 2008
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You are now just figuring it out that this is a problem? This has been a problem now for many years.
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by N7YA on November 20, 2008
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This has been going on for years. These are mostly fishing boats in the gulf or off the pacific coast...they could also be any number of other, less scrupulous people. Either way, you cant stop them.
They are just ten meter beacons to me. Its when i dont hear these guys is when i know ten is probably dead.
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by K7BAB on November 20, 2008
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Operating an illegal transmitter (in addition to being an FCC matter) in certain jurisdictions comes under the purview of local law enforcement. I am sure with all the portable and mobile equipment out there, a posse of local hams could find the offender and call the local police.
My biggest problem over the years is following behind a fellow ham that has acted like a real jerk-weed. You know the types; the sloppy haywire antenna installation; the linear on-all-the-time blaster; the creep that won’t work with neighbors because his rig is “clean.” I am immediately lumped with these persons and have had uphill battles to get permissions to have even a modest vertical or wire antenna.
EBay has a section on each ad to report prohibited items. I don’t know if they follow up on the complaints. I see linear amps on EBay described as “for amateur radio use only.” That reminded me of the ads in the 1960’s from Lafayette Radio for CB amps that said “illegal for class D (CB) in US.” Like this is really going to stop people bent on illegal operation.
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by VE3LNY on November 20, 2008
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At the end of the day it's the authorities' responsibility to enforce the laws. If you can hear intruders in the band then so can they. It's just a matter of what their priorities are.
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by K1CJS on November 20, 2008
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A long time problem pops up into somebodys notice again. Problem is that there isn't an easy way to solve it--why do you think its been around for so long?
The sales of these rigs continue, even Uniden is into it, and there isn't even a glimmer of an idea to stop those sales. Requiring identification and a ham license to purchase such rigs won't work. There will always be an underground place to get them where you won't need such ID.
With Riley gone, the enforcement of the ham radio regs is on hold, so there isn't any help there either. All we can do is do our best to report these jokers when we come across them, but until there is another enforcement official appointed, even that won't do much good. Lets just hope that someone is appointed soon who will, as one of the first to be done, put these offenders squarely in their sights.
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It's not a problem now.
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by AI2IA on November 20, 2008
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"I'd hate to “wake up” in a couple of years to find ten full of unlicensed signals from truck drivers, cabbies, and good buddies."
This is a problem from the past, but ....
You cannot solve a problem that has not yet arrived.
Personally, I believe that when the sunspots rise, and the time comes, there will be fewer of these intruders than in the past. World conditions, the economy, technical gadgets to amuse people, and the forces that drive people change over the years. The world today is not the world of yesterday.
To be sure, there will be intruders, but how many and how to handle them will be different to some degree. It is impossible to take on the problem now. There will be time and means to handle it when it arrives.
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by AD4U on November 20, 2008
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Unfortunately there is little HAMs can do to remove intruders from 10 meters. Die hard "pirates" do not use these so called CB radios that can be modified to operate on 10 meters. They get a HAM radio that can be easily modified for general coverage transmit, and most if not all can. Add a HAM amp and a good antenna and ANYONE (licensed or not) can put a decent signal on 10 meters, or any where else in the HF spectrum for that metter.
I have hammed through 5 different sunspot cycles and I am looking forward to the up coming cycle. Each cycle there are more and more unlicensed people on 10 meters. If that trend continues, I shudder to think what 10 meters will sound like in a few more years.
Dick AD4U
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by K0BG on November 20, 2008
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Let's don't be naive; the problem is here, and now! And, it's going to get worse now that the FCC apparently has decided not to replace Mr. Hollingsworth.
At least once a week, there are truckers using the bypass around Roswell, NM, using 28.085 MHz (I don't know what "channel" that relates to). In the past, I have reported such happening, replete with the necessary user information. Only once did it do any good, and recent reports haven't even garnered an e-mail in return.
For years, www.davemade.com has advertised multi KW mobile amps for use on 11 meters, but you can be sure they're used on 10 meters too. The guy who owns the company is an amateur. You would have thought that fact alone would have irked Mr. Hollingsworth enough to respond, but apparently not.
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by K8ELR on November 20, 2008
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N1OU said quote>
there's no way to “police” general activity. If there is any activity, it'll be local. If nothing else, hams using ten for local contacts need to do some vigilant “scanning around” to see if there are unauthorized users present, then make a report to their ARRL section so it can be hunted down and reported (I doubt if reporting suspected illegal use directly to the F.C.C. would get much accomplished and it would probably be a lengthy process).
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Gordon K1OU,
Do you seriously think the ARRL can do anything about this?
Not a chance. You would have better chance meeting Elvis at Field Day 2009.
Jim K8ELR
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by K3YD on November 20, 2008
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I live in the northeast US, in an area with several Interstate Highways, and many large distribution warehouses. Locally I have noted ground-wave "trespassers" on the low end of 10 meters, mostly between 28.060 and 28.290 MHz. There is a mix of AM and SSB, and the language is pure "Good Buddy."
I have found that a slow speed CQ (about 10-12 wpm) usually causes the trespassers to disappear. Sometimes I even generate a CW QSO.
Ten Meters--Use it or Loose it!
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by N3DF on November 20, 2008
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In the early 1970s, Yaesu FT-101 transceivers were widely available in CB shops, ready to put out 100 watts on both 10 and 11 meters.
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by CX1AAC on November 20, 2008
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Sometimes those called third world countries are more organized in some aspects than the first world countries.
In Uruguay (south America) CB'rs have to be registred and god forbid they step into the 10 meter band.
They are regulated by URSEC (Our fcc), they have a sort of a call sign, its really more like a registration number.
Also 11 meter band is dead as someone said here Elvis.
Eleven meters reached its peak in the 90's and let me tell you something, I work'ed and confirmed on that band more than 350 countries, yes that's right, oh and with only 25 watts!.
After I reached 18 years of age I was able to take the exam for novice.
Anyway, with Internet and Nextel CB is gone, maybe a couple of truckers here and there but nothing to worry about.
Now I live in New York and my call sign is WZ0CX.
73's.
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by KN4AQ on November 20, 2008
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I wrote an article for the SERA Repeater Journal on this topic based on an encounter I had back in 2001. You might find it interesting. It's available as a PDF on my web site: http://arvideonews.com/otherstuff
73,
Gary KN4AQ
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by WA1RNE on November 20, 2008
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Don't worry about it.
When conditions improve and hams re-populate 10 meters - many with decent yagi's and 1500 watt amplifiers, I doubt many CBer's will be able to stand the "QRM".
...WA1RNE
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by WA7NCL on November 20, 2008
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We need to keep the band active. 10m is huge as HF bands go. We need more than just ssb and cw going there.
Update the regs and allow some wide band data modes there on certain parts of the band so that hams have a reason to use it.
Otherwise we will never really fill it up, even when and if the sun spots increase sufficiently.
Some sorts of automated data modes that can use sporadic E skip, aurora, meteors etc should be able to be used on 10m. Then have a coupla chunks of the band for CW, SSB and FM. This would make the band an experimenters HF band.
The downside might be some QRM and some frequency conflicts, but I would rather have that from fellow hams using the band than a plague of "good buddies" running over modulated AM using four letter words.
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by KC0RBX on November 20, 2008
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I agree that the 11 meter insurgents operating on 10 meters is a problem and will get worse. I believe the FCC is to blame here. I have some remedies which will probably never be enacted.
First, the FCC must grow a sack and regularly and on a much more frequent basis go after those who operate unlicensed in the 10 meter band. And take their equipment away and give them a reasonable first offense fine. If they get caught again, really stick it to 'em.
Next, I believe one of the problems the FCC created for themselves was the power limit. AM carrier power is restricted to 4 watts and SSB is limited to 12 watts PEP.
I believe the FCC needs to increase the power limits in those two modes to, say, 30 watts AM and 70 watts SSB.
I believe one of the reasons the 11 meter crowd buys 10 meter radios which are modifiable to the 11 meter band is simply because ground wave range of a CB at 4 watts is not that great and those who use CBs on a regular basis know that. They want to be able to get around hills and line of obstructions the same as a 2 meter op wants to. Out here in the Rocky mountain region, where one can be in the mountains or be far far away from the nearest services, a little more power is definitely helpful. Growing up in Wyoming, I know this all too well. So, if they were allowed more power they might not see the necessity to spend the extra green on a 10 meter radio. I know of a few truckers who have become hams so they can take advantage of repeaters and higher power to find out about road and weather conditions more efficiently.
But, 99% of truckers won't become hams.
Also, since those who operate modified 10 meter radios are probably not hams, they also probably don't know the band edge of the 10 meter band. They haven't studied the rules like we have and yes they probably don't really care either. But if it were law that all of those radios come with a tag ON THE RADIO explaining the band edge and that it is illegal and punishable by law to operate into 28 MHZ and above and is punishable, then maybe they would adhere a little better. Ya Ya, I know, we're talking about people who don't care that much to begin with.
But, if all of these ideas were incorporated, then maybe there would be less infractions.
Focus on the problem, the problem gets bigger. Focus on the solution, the solution gets bigger.
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by N3JBH on November 20, 2008
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From Alan, KØBG "For years, www.davemade.com has advertised multi KW mobile amps for use on 11 meters, but you can be sure they're used on 10 meters too. The guy who owns the company is an amateur"
Are you certain of this statement Alan? Do you have proof , call sign or some thing? Jeff
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by KB4QAA on November 20, 2008
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I recommend we move some 'Picket Fencing" down from some of the more distant and weak 2M repeaters down to 10M and put a phase Locked loop on the Gate. The intruders will be excluded since they don't have Keys. Additionally we can issue Bandpasses to Hams through this site.
Eventually we should be able to Filter them out.
73
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by WA3SKN on November 20, 2008
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"What can we do, as licensed amateurs, to protect this big band from intrusion?"
Become an Official Observer! Check with the ARRL on this.
You can also monitor ten meters and report any violations to the FCC. They are the ones that enforce their rules. If they fail to do that, you can get your congressman involved. His office can get their attention!
73s.
-Mike.
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by KE4ZHN on November 20, 2008
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I like using 10 meters and the pirates dont bother me. If the QRM is bad enough to interfere with my contact I simply spin the dial go elsewhere. Ten is a huge band so its not too hard to work around the idiots. The FCC obviously doesnt care about doing its job and the idea of self policing hams is a joke. You can gather all the evidence you want but if the FCC turns a deaf ear to your work its for nothing. The FCC wont even hire a replacement for RH. Not that he accomplished much anyway. All he did was send out form letters with big empty threats that did nothing.
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by AB7E on November 20, 2008
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WA1RNE: "When conditions improve and hams re-populate 10 meters - many with decent yagi's and 1500 watt amplifiers, I doubt many CBer's will be able to stand the "QRM". "
Well, 10m is a big band, but if the pirates decide to operate down at the CW portion, I think you'll find that the QRM scenario will be the other way around. Check out some of this hardware:
http://www.davemade.com/mobile.htm (scroll down)
Imagine the splatter that's likely to show up on the band from an overdriven 3CX15000A7 rig.
80KW peak????
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by K0RGR on November 20, 2008
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I'm not sure if the cure would be worse than the problem, but I believe there are ways we could make 10 less attractive to bootleggers.
First, FM using very narrow bandwidth (modulation index < 1) is legal above 28.3 Mhz.. Full 16F3 FM is legal above 29.0 Mhz.. I see no reason to limit 16F3 this much. Above 29 Mhz., the top 200 khz. are essentially reserved for repeaters and effectively one simplex channel. 29.2 to 29.4 is reserved for satellites (though I don't believe any are operating there now), and 29.0 to 29.2 is the province of AM on 10.
It would be very nice to have additional simplex frequencies for 16F3 below 29.0 Mhz.. If we allowed 16F3 simplex down to 28.7 Mhz., it would tend to concentrate the SSB activity more in the region of the band that appeals to bootleggers.
As for 28.085, I think that should become an alternate APRS frequency, tied into the APRS network.
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by PHINEAS on November 20, 2008
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I think some of us are under-estimating the power of dropping the code requirement. I, as well of others, know plenty of Tech class hams that have (and use) export radios. Frankly, I have always thought that most of the people that "Freeband" are hams in the first place. Now that no-code Technicians have access to 10 meters, I think there will be a lot more licensed traffic!
Phineas
K0KMA
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by KB3PXR on November 20, 2008
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Actually FM with a modulation index of less than 1 is legal anywhere Phone is legal except the 60 meter band.
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by W7ETA on November 20, 2008
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Nice prose.
Currently, 10 meters is a reliable band for local communications. When ten opens again, I fear we will be inundated with illegals from Asia, Central and South America, who use it for local communications.
During the last peak on ten meters, I heard a lot of QRM from EU. Rumors were that some of it was from Russian taxi cabs.
My point of view is that the next peak will be worse for non-ham QRM than the last peak. Other than enjoying the band, nothing comes to mind about crowding out illegals.
Who knows. Maybe there will be enough Techs having fun on a portion of ten to induce the illegals to restrict their invasion to the CW only portion, and above 28.500 Mcs?
Those that want to change CB and ham radio should write proposals and submit them to the FCC.
Bob
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by G0GQK on November 20, 2008
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You may as well face facts. There is no way non licensed operators can be stopped using 10 metres. They've been doing it for years and will continue to do so. Its a vast area of unused radio frequency, and for most radio amateurs its a dead band for seven out of eleven years.
While its not being used properly could the Chinese government be encouraged to have their over the horizon radar use all the band ? That would keep out the pirates !!!
G0GQK
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27.555 USB Alpha Tango Go Go Go!!!!!!
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by N0AH on November 20, 2008
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Any real pirate stays off of 10 meters out of respect for hams. 27.555 USB is where pirates hang out.......AARRHHHHhhhh!!!!!
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by WA8MEA on November 20, 2008
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To clarify:
The ad found at QTH.com was a GOOGLE ad. They are randomly produced ads on the general subject of two-way radio.
QRZ.com runs these same GOOGLE ads and yes.....
....so does EHAM.
I disagree that there is going to be a massive influx of truckers on 10 meters when Cycle 24 gets hopping.
1) CB is pretty dead. Many CB'ers decided to give the codeless ham exam a try and succeeded.
2) CB has been replaced by the Internet.
3) Truckers have moved away from CB and are now using FRS and GRS radios. No skip, no truck stop advertising on Channel 19, etc. Yes, they often pop down to CB when there is a traffic tie-up. But most are rag chewing on other frequencies. The people you now hear on the CB going down the Interstate are mostly four wheelers.
4) Many truckers have become ham operators and talk on the ham bands.
5) Many truckers are using Nextel walkie talkies and other assorted cell-like devices.
I wrote an article on QTH.com that many of these 10 meter radios are GREAT for amateur use! Since they are built for one specific frequency spectrum, they are optimized for that range with excellent receive capabilities/specs.
I have an old ProStar 400 I bought at a truck stop many years ago. It was cheaper than the HTX-100, which was being sold at RS at the time. The radio had more capabilities including FM and AM, which the HTX-100 didn't have. I've run this little ten meter in my Montana with dual Hamsticks and worked the world during the last solar cycle.
73, Bill - WA8MEA
http://HamRadioFun.com
tinytenna@hotmail.com
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by WZ1P on November 20, 2008
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Being both a ham and a state trooper I found that while assigned to commercial truck enforcement that about 10% of the 'independent' truckers had non-certified radios and amplifiers in their rigs. I brought this to the attention of a supervisor and since we had an agreement with the fed's to enforce federal motor carrier laws, we also had the authority to enforce all federal violations committed in our presence. This included radar detectors, illegal radios and off road fuel use as well as the clean air act.
Mmmmmm. OK. So I got myself a nice pair of wire cutters and a big plastic bin. You want to talk about a bunch of PO'd truckers! The feds (FCC) wanted no part in the copies of the level one motor carrier reports that we sent to them. On them the violations were plainly listed but that made no difference to them.
So we continued or reign of terror without them. The rest is history! Cute.
Dan WZ1P
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by KA5ROW on November 20, 2008
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The FCC must in-force the rules. You would think the FCC would bust as many people as possible just for the revenue.
Once a citation is issued about ½ the people will pay it no questions asked like you would a traffic ticket. The FCC would give that person a payment plan if they could not pay all at once.
Remember the government can do any thing it pleases and there is not a thing you can do about it. They could get the IRS to cease your assets or any refund you may get. So they could get there money no matter what.
Offer cash rewards to turn in a illegal operator or sellers of such equipment. Remember people will pay through the nose to stay out of jail.
Hang it to them, rape them for there money, drag them though the coals. The FCC / Government has the power to do so.
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by N3JBH on November 20, 2008
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"talk about a bunch of PO'd truckers"
Yes Dan i bet. That is why some of us dont have a great amount of respect State Trooper's. I aggree they should not have had the stuff. But i think you should of had bigger fish to fry.
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by K8WZS on November 20, 2008
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Well then WE have to DO the FIRST part (we ARE self policing) and give the FCC information . Let me say this - NUMBERS speak many WORDS -- so therefore "IF" WE , in the HAM RADIO COMMUNITY , start FILING reports then MAYBE the FCC will see ham radio DOES MATTER to those of us in HAM RADIO ! Afterall , if there are NO COMPLAINTS filed then it APPEARS all is well ! There are a few things WE licensed hams can do in addition to start filing the on air interference reports. If you can NOT get on the road and track down a few illegals on 10m -- then the next time your online checkout places that are selling illegal "socalled" 10m radio's -- these can be reported to the SPECTRUM Enforcement Div of the FCC with an online form # 2000F -- they deal with illegally marketed electronics ! Or when on the 10m band LISTEN and send in a report of what your hearing -- even when the band is not open you may discover that there are illegals on the air in YOUR neighborhood. The "MORE" reports of this nature the more the FCC will see there is a PROBLEM and they can act on them. ARRL members can ALSO start demanding the association put pressure on the FCC for enforcement. ARRL members can ALSO demand the OO Program be brought up to TODAY's standards to assist in helping keep their memberships' privileges "FREE and CLEAR" of this type activity . Keep in mind that this ILLEGAL activity is NOT just on the 10m band in the HF spectrum ! The CB folks have ALSO been DISCOVERING 2m fm communications(modify these ham rigs and it opens them up to Marine , MURS and more) . So therefore , due to the fact ham radio is a self policing hobby , WE NEED to take the first step . And "IF" we do this in a large number , WE will eventually see the effect. The answer to the ORIGINAL problem of what can be done with illegals on 10m has been well laid out here and in other posts here on eham ...follow the instructions . And I may add that these socalled 10m radio's can be MODIFIED for more than just 11m ------ WE are also seeing activity on 12m ! It's ham radio and WE need to PROTECT the hobby for our future hams --- but first there needs to be an EFFORT ! Thanks for letting me comment es 73
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by K1CJS on November 20, 2008
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>>>That is why some of us dont have a great amount of respect State Trooper's. I aggree they should not have had the stuff. But i think you should of had bigger fish to fry.<<<
Well, friend, the law is the law--and if you're breaking the law you deserve what you get. Those state troopers are doing a thankless job trying to get the few lawbreakers out of service, and even though sometimes they step a bit too far (like writing a warning for a capacity placard missing from a fuel tank) they have a job to do just like the truckers do.
Those juiced up rigs are illegal--and if you're running one you deserve to have it ripped out. Run legal and you've got nothing to worry about. I did (run legal) when I was driving tractor trailer cross country, and I never got a bum deal from any of them. Sure, some warning notices, usually made out to my boss (the truck owner) but I never got anything I didn't deserve--and I usually got breaks from the troopers because I co-operated with them whenever I was asked to.
If you drive around with the "I'm entitled" attitude, you'll always get pinched for even the smallest thing. Truckers have it hard enough--jerks like you make it even worse for those who try to do things right.
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by KD5SFK on November 20, 2008
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You see that big knob on the rig in front of you? If you hear a couple of "good buddies" on 28.085, grasp the knob and spin it a few times in the positive direction. More than likely you'll land in a giant puddle of static and you can continue operating legally to your heart's content. Even when the band is "open" I'll be willing to bed that you'll rarely if ever here anybody between 28.500 and 29.300. That's 800 kHz of rare HF real estate where you can crank up the "lin-year" and splatter over processed hi-fi SSB to your heart's content. Hell, your 10+ kHz of splatter may even attract another ham wandering in the hinterlands who will probably become your best friend for life.
Kwitcherbitchen and enjoy the best HF band!
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by N9AVY on November 20, 2008
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Yes, this has been an ongoing problem for years. Telling them to move off frequency isn't legal since you'd be communicating with an unlicensed station.
I've spent a lot of time on 10m PSK31 the past 3-4 years. Those of us who have been there find that the truckers on 28.085 really hate it when we start transmitting RTTY. No, this is not malicious interference because those truckers are illegallly there and don't exist. We're just calling CQ and testing.
Ideally, it would be nice to copy all their info and send it to FCC in hopes that the enforcement bureau isn't an vacant office. However, it was mentioned earlier that the FCC apparently has no intentions of replacing Riley. So, we need to make life on 10 meters hell for the intruders. Let's go get 'em !!!
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by KE4DRN on November 20, 2008
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hi,
I have sent reports to fcc, they replied back
a few weeks later that they do not care about
the little guys selling that junk.
oh well.
as for davemade.com
Registrant:
ROBERTSON, JOE
J0E R0BERTS0N
8069 HARLOW ROAD
ARCHDALE, NC 27263
US
Domain Name: DAVEMADE.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
ROBERTSON, JOE
J0E R0BERTS0N
8069 HARLOW ROAD
ARCHDALE, NC 27263
US
336-434-6838
Record expires on 06-Jan-2013.
Record created on 06-Jan-1999.
Database last updated on 20-Nov-2008 20:32:25 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.LCI.NET 150.159.216.202
WEBSERV.CONNINC.COM 12.150.146.200
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by ACBER on November 20, 2008
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I got my license a long time ago, and I was very disappointed. Try to get on 75 meters in the evening. It's full of rude and vulgar people. On the weekends, the contestants take over the frequencies with their antiseptic and endless calls. And e-ham.net is nothing but a bunch of whining crybabies. Bravo, gentlemen, keep up the good work!
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by K9FON on November 20, 2008
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I used to work for a local company that cuts down steel coils for customers and then ships them via a fleet of trucks via a contracted carrier. Quite a few times while doing my job i got to see inside several rigs, and to my amazement most of if not all of them all had so called 10 meter rigs and an amp. I once pointed out that the radios in the trucks were actually illegal becase they had 10 meters and could be used illegally on 10 meters. I was told simply "So what, no one cares!!" in so many words and was laughed at and told to get back to my job. The drivers even bragged about talking on 10 meters! The company told me they didnt care were thier drivers talked as long as they got the loads to the customers on time which they did.
The only way we can tackle the problem is for each and every one of us to rally the FCC to simply do away with 11 meters, but i will bet you a dollar for a donut that the teamsters union will fight with tooth and nail! Its not wise to P*** off the teamsters and the truckers. They could just park their rigs and walk away and shut down the whole country!
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by ACBER on November 20, 2008
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I have never heard a driver brag about being on 10 meters. That's a bold face lie.
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by N5PTV on November 20, 2008
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Need a good laugh? OMG folks, check out the pictures of our QRM'ers...
http://www.davemade.com/heavywei.htm
Scroll down and take a look at a few of the "Heavyweights"
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by W7ETA on November 20, 2008
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Don't you just hate it when the contestants fire up every weekend on 12, 17 and 30 meters!
Makes ya wanna fire up a good buddy rig and crawl back into the cesspool where life is beautiful and people are friendly.
3s to ya.
Bob
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by N7YA on November 21, 2008
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Ive been hearing these guys on ten for 25 years and it doesnt bother me. The reason is because i can always cut right through them with CW, throw a little power on it and you are golden.
Its much harder to copy signals on 80 or 40 through ssb, bc and all the qrn and crashes...i still copy because im good at it. Ten is childs play. If you cant copy a fellow ham on ten, you arent listening. When that band is open, theres room for hams, truckers, fishing boats, cabs, freebanders, static crashes, the mother in law...you name it. Its a HUGE band that sounds like melted butter when its open.
I know the article is lamenting the invasion...but with all the input weve posted here on this thread, plus thousands of other places, does anyone have a viable and realistic way to stop it for good? I didnt think so...i wish there was a way, but there just isnt. If the RAC cant take Karol off the air, and we KNOW his call and qth...then how are we going to run off ten meter invaders when we can only speculate on which direction the signal is coming from?
I say we use and enjoy ten meters, especially when it opens back up and just share the band with the snerts. We are told we have to share 30 with news RTTY, wefax and various other utilities...we never complain. We are told we have to share 40 with dx ssb, BC stations and a myriad of other things...we never complain. We only get up in arms about the weakest of the offenders because they are doing it illegally...but only illegal to us. Thicken your hydes and try to enjoy yourselves, if you are trying to mold the world to your personal liking, you WILL fail...and make yourselves miserable in the process.
ACBER, I think you are wasting your time here unless your goal is to get a reaction and be a troll...it looks very similar to that, but i will reserve my judgement.
If you think everyone here is a crybaby, then go somewhere where there are no hams...or crybabies, for that matter.
If you are disappointed by ham radio, let the ticket lapse and just keep having fun on CB.
If 80 meter SSB offends you...qsy to 17m CW...or 30m PSK31. Lots of room.
Or you can relax and try to find another part of the hobby that better suits you, and there are many facets to enjoy.
There are lots of options if you are serious about changing your surroundings. If you do none of the above, then i will have my answer. At that point you will be a troll. I hope you think through these options and choose what best fits you then get it done. Because otherwise, your true hobby is complaining on the internet.
73...Adam, N7YA
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by N5ZTPN5ZTP on November 21, 2008
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have you been living in cave? freebanders have been alive and well since 40 channel cbs came on the scene in the 70's. i remember going to a cb jambore in 1976 where a guy was set up moddifying 40 ch cbs to do 40 channels above and 40 ch below the allowed freq. i later would go to his shop and watch him talk to Australia on upper freqs on a daily basis.the area between 10 and 11 meters is at times more active than most ham bands. over the years radios have emerged with more and more freqs available. i have one that goes from 21.000 mhz to 29.995 mhz. been boxed up for years. want to buy it?
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by N5ZTPN5ZTP on November 21, 2008
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most of the ones with freeband radios also ham LARGE AMPS so the 100 watt ham radio will not bother them,
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"Well, friend, the law is the law--and if you're breaking the law you deserve what you get."
I could not agree more with that statement. And when I drove I never had one them so called juiced up rigs. I also never drove with the I am entitled attitude. Ok I admit I may have a few times to got some extra miles (hours) and 90 percent of my driving was local between Pennsylvania and Georgia so no I was never a OTH driver. Never had a violation either. But some the DOT and MEO’s I met where way overzealous and got great joy’s out flaunting there I am so mighty attitudes. Sorry but I left me personally with a not so pleasant way with them.
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by K1CJS on November 21, 2008
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Yes, I can agree that some are 'overzealous', but just about all the time--just by talking with them and offering to try to alleviate some of the simpler 'violations' (yes, you have to be careful lest they also get you for adjustments that 'have to be done by a mechanic') and co-operating fully with them, you would be surprized at how many back down and co-operate with you.
One thing I always said was "I realize you are just doing your job". After that, most of the time the problems just faded away. You've also got to realize that if something is not in the proper place, seconds may be lost trying to get to it--seconds you may not have.
Those guys are there to try to make the rigs as safe as they can be. Yes, they can be overzealous, but there is a reason they are like they are. Most of them have probably seen first hand the results of laxity in conforming to the rules. Once is enough--they don't want to see it again--and that is what drives them to enforce the regs to the letter.
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by K4IQT on November 21, 2008
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Where there is no FCC support of local law enforcement agencies or direct punitive enforcement by the FCC, which is everywhere, don't look for anybody scaring these guys away. I heard them occasionally on 10M and elsewhere even in the late 1950's, and it's now become perfectly acceptable in some circles since now there is little bark and no bite to the regulations. There are more of them than ever now - you just usually can't copy any of them except locals until the sunspot count comes up.
It's like having birds crapping all over your lawn furniture, just where you want to sit and enjoy an 807. You can QRM these guys but they will be back. You can report these guys but nobody is paying attention. Or you can load your linear with birdshot. Or you can just QSY and keep your blood pressure down.
The only thing you can do to push the FCC back into the enforcement game is to get your congressman or senators to take some interest. Hire a lobbyist. Write a letter to Obama to put a ham at the top of the FCC. Good luck....
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by K3AN on November 21, 2008
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The real problem with 10 Meters? Nature abhors a vacuum.
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by KC0NIB on November 21, 2008
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Does not surprise me much either. I frequently go visit family down in Missouri and Texas among others and you see these CB shops all over the place. And along with it, all these strange modified radios.
If I'm not too far off, someone once told me that "the airwaves are free and the FCC should not even be in business. These air waves are free for all to use". And so you have this stuff going on under the auspices of "yea; find me and charge me with a crime" mentality. I don't believe they ever will "get it".
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I don't have problem with the State Trooper confiscating illegal radios. As he mentioned in his posting, he was assigned to commercial truck enforcement. So he was already there checking log books and load manifests. Confiscating illegal radar detectors and 10-meter radios was a bonus that did not detract from his assigned duties.
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by DA2KI on November 21, 2008
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On modified and “Export” CB radios a common feature is a “band” switch which allows the selection of frequencies outside of the authorized 40 CB channels.
Some commercially manufactured “10-Meter” radios feature band switches with positions labeled from “A” to “L”. Band “G” corresponds to the authorized 40 CB channels. The other band positions correspond to frequencies either below or above the 40 regular channels. Once a different “band” is selected, the user has access to 40 “channels” completely outside the FCC authorized CB channels.
Truckers will often leave the channel selector on Channel 19 and move the band switch to another position to quickly switch between CB Channel 19 and another “private” channel. Because of this, depending on the “band” switch position, “Channel 19” on the main dial can result in a variety of different frequencies. The most common selections are 26.735 MHz and 28.085 MHz.
Listen for comments such as, “Go one down” or “Go two up”. If the truckers do not reappear on CB channels 18 or 21, they are probably using an “Export” rig. Depending on the position of the “band” switch, the various possible combinations for “Channel 19” are:
Band A: 24.485 MHz
Band B: 24.935 MHz 12-meter Amateur Radio band
Band C: 25.385 MHz
Band D: 25.835 MHz
Band E: 26.285 MHz
Band F: 26.735 MHz
Band G: 27.185 MHz CB Channel 19
Band H: 27.635 MHz
Band I: 28.085 MHz 10-meter Amateur Radio band
Band J: 28.535 MHz 10-meter Amateur Radio band
Band K: 28.985 MHz 10-meter Amateur Radio band
Band L: 29.435 MHz 10-meter Amateur Radio band
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by KG4GDK on November 21, 2008
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Here in Florida (Near Kennedy Space Center and I-95) I monitor 10 meters a lot, and participate in some net activities. Due to excellent tower and antenna setup, I have basically coast to coast Florida range (non-skip). I do hear a lot of folks that operate on both 10 & 11, but guess what, 99% of them are hams (and I actually know many them, so I'm not making that up). The intrusion from 11 and freebanders, truckers, etc. is virtually non-existent from what I can see. Next, appears many those supposed "illegal" radios are in the hands of licensed hams.
I think this is making a mountain out of a non-existent problem (here in Fla, anyway). Most of the CB operators I know (that's where a lot of folks started) know better than to go into 10, or down towards 12. Amplifiers don't appear to be much of a problem anymore either, since they have become harder to find, and most of the lunkheads who ran them too hard have burnt theirs up, that issue seems to be going away.
We all know the occasional bad apple will make an appearance, but all too often, that bad apple has had about a 50% pontential of turning out to be one of our licensed brethren. Usually if you find a trucker, freebander or plain ole cb opeartor where they don't belong, and politely ask them to go to where they belong, they leave. Most of them don't know that Riley retired, so they think "Uncle Charlie" is hiding right around the corner.
My two cents - Have a fabulous Thanksgiving!
73's mike
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by ACBER on November 21, 2008
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The first amendment of the Constitution protects the freedom of speech of pirates. Read below, and weep.
The 1st Amendment to the Constitution
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; radio spectrum, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "
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by K5CQB on November 21, 2008
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I too am for less regulation and believe regulating ourselves is the best way to go. Saying that I would think now is the best time to crack down on pirates. With their signals not propagating as well one should be able to locate them faster and closer.
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by AC7KZ on November 21, 2008
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My cobra 29ltd has 2 pills. I want to modify it to have 6 pills and an internal cooling fan. I also want to put a super swing viagra kit in it. Serviced by the local CB shop by a so called "bench tech".
The only time I hear someone on 19 in my truck is when the weather is bad.
Most of the "dirty bad" truckers are using cell phones making three way calls with others. At times they can get quite a few people in their "talk group"
I'm waiting for 10 to open to become a 10M mobile.
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by K9FON on November 21, 2008
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So called "CB technicians" are like going to Walmart and having your oil changed by their so called "mechanics". Some of the "CB technicians" dont even have a high school education(most of them DONT!) so how on earth can they call themselves "technicians"
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Is that a big 10-04???????????????
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by KB3PXZ on November 21, 2008
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Ten meters is real slow at the moment. But it was great this summer and will probably pick up for awhile in Dec/Jan. I made contacts all across the US this summer from may until Aug so please don't listen to those who say 10 meters is dead for the next couple of years until the sun spot cycle picks up. This simply isn't true. I sure would like to hear more folks out there, so tune you radio to 28400 and call CQ you might find someone listening. Ten will only be dead if no one talks on it
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by G3RZP on November 21, 2008
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One problem for the US amateur is section 97.101(b) of the FCC rules. The pragmatic approach in most of Europe is that a station operating illegally or who is legally operating but in a service secondary to a primary service must accept any interference. Interestingly, this is the Radio Regulations atitude too - the FCC approach actually disadvantages amateurs in bands where they are the Primary Service. So in bands where the amateur service is the primary user (such as 10m) anyone else must suffer any QRM we give them. A 4ele beam at 60 feet and the full gallon often shifts them.......as it used to do with the Russian woodpecker.
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by KE7AKS on November 21, 2008
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Oh Boy! More Bashing CB Radio
A favorite pastime for self righteous (would be HAM OPERATORS) that really don’t know what is at issue.
I live in Oregon, LOGING COUNTRY, in the woods, especially during the work week, the RIGHT-OF-WAY is determined by WHO IS UPHILL, and BY THE TON. If you want to venture into that territory, you better have a CB RADIO and check with the folks at the landing to see if an 80,000 pound load is heading your way, on a road that is only wide enough for the 18 wheeler. Out on our high-ways almost every 18 wheeler has a CB antenna on each side mirror, a CB Radio and maybe an Amplifier. It may be the means by which he is warned that a tire is coming apart on his trailer, lights back there not working properly, or just keeping him from falling asleep from the boredom of the road. Any ham that uses 10M as I do knows that the BAND IS IN at the same time SKIP IS IN (CB JARGON) and you can maybe use a walkie talkie and a coat hanger antenna to talk several thousand miles. If however, you want to have reliable two way conversation with say the 10-10 club guys, you will need about 250 watts for mobile and about 100 watts for a base unit. Otherwise you will need to have the squelch fully open to hear someone more than a few blocks away, that has only 4.5 watts AM, or 12.5 watts SSB. Eleven meters,(the CB BAND) functions just about the same as 10 meters, so what makes HAM OPERATORS think that those truckers on our high-ways are likely to try to operate (in the mud) QRP. Don’t get me wrong, I have heard the ABUSE both on 10 and 11 meters, and even some that I know have that have had their ham license for many years, that are not sharing the air ways properly. I for one don’t like it when the 10 meter band is in…. My call sign is ……My name is….
I am in Timbuktu…Running a ….Antenna …Rig…….Power ….. What’s yours… CQ CQ CQ. I much prefer to talk with the group within the 200 mile, or so, radius. I usually hang out on 28.400. Many times we have great rag chew sessions on 10 meters, just us locals, and I always have a CB in the truck when I hit the high-way.
Live and Let Live --- just figure Channel 17 AM is like the garbage heap, hold your breath as you pass by (if you happen to), otherwise avoid it like the plague.
Later, 73
Harv
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by W8KQE on November 21, 2008
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This has been ongoing for decades now, but it has gotten worse (at least during the last sunspot cycle). Especially in the 10m CW portion. Do what I usually do. When you know the offending station is operating illegally in that portion, aim the beam in their direction, and call CQ in CW with a good amount of power on that frequency. Of course, after superficially calling 'QRZ is the frequency in use' (QRL? on CW) just in case there may be other Hams on or nearby that freq!
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by PLANKEYE on November 21, 2008
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Check this right quick!
This ain't a new Christmas present fellas, this been goin on for awhile.
10 Meter Surprise deal surface, now everybody gonna be a Radio Cop. Right?
I love it, it makes me want to early thaw my
Thanksgiving Turkey.
Put the "SEE" back in "FCC"!! OK I DIG IT!!
It's better than just sitting here complaining and arguing on the internet!
I GOT TO GO FELLAS, BEEN HERE TOO LONG ALREADY!!
Keep the PBR out the VFO!!
PLANKEYE
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by W4VR on November 21, 2008
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It will be a local band for several years to come. If Riley could not do anything about the insurgence of pirates, neither will his replacement.
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by ACBER on November 21, 2008
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You guys shouldn't use your call signs on here. It's like giving out your social security number.
Mr. Blankeye, speak English please.
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by K0CBA on November 21, 2008
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As a matter of practically, not much. Most of these bad guys are either mobile and quite hard to keep track of or, when (if) ten opens, many are out of the jurisdiction of US laws.........not that the FCC cares enough to take action in the first place.
I have always wondered what the block heads at the FCC back then were thinking? The cyclical nature of 11 meters should have been a red flag to anyone with more than a few functioning brain cells to put CB somewhere else.
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by K4KWH on November 21, 2008
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The first amendment of the Constitution protects the freedom of speech of pirates. Read below, and weep.
The 1st Amendment to the Constitution
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; radio spectrum, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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The Constitution says NO such thing about "radio spectrum" nor the equipment used to promote or transmit radio waves. It protects the free speech of the natural voice, not that projected via a radio or device intended to send such signals over long distances. There WAS no "radio" in 1776!!!
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by AD7WN on November 21, 2008
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Ten meter surprise should come as a surprise to no one. At the low end of the sunspot cycle, the band is largely vacant. This invites these invasions.
While probably nothing can eliminate this problem, it can be reduced by more occupancy by hams. This can follow two forms: 1) use the band more for local ragchews, out to a distance of 40 miles or so, and 2) use the band more for ionospheric scatter. With 1500 watts and a good beam, scatter is useable out to about 1200 miles, irrespective of what part of the cycle we are in. With a few qro qsos going on, it will do a lot to drive those rascals back to 11 meters.
Just thought I'd toss in my two cents worth :-)
73 de AD7WN
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by K4KWH on November 21, 2008
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As a matter of practically, not much. Most of these bad guys are either mobile and quite hard to keep track of or, when (if) ten opens, many are out of the jurisdiction of US laws.........not that the FCC cares enough to take action in the first place. (quote)
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You didn't read QRZ and ARRL Letter or ARNewsline for the last 8 years or so when over 120 trucking companies were dinged by FCC (Hollingsworth) for yapping on 10 Meters?
Here is a case history that no one seems to recognize.
Those who recall can remember that for a time there were a large number of 10 Meter "busts" on the I-85 and I-77 corridor from about 2001-2007. I can personally vouch for the fact that the area from Spartanburg, SC and Salisbury, NC and an area between Charlotte, NC and Augusta, GA were fairly HOPPING with
'tan-fer' truckers complete with the over-modulated and over-powered signals. Like most of us here, hams cried about how nothing could be done about it. But something WAS done!!!! A small group of hams in my local area decided they were simply not going to have it!!! So they DID exactly what Riley and ARRL ASKED to be done: Direct intervention using carefully crafted procedures that were effective in pinpointing the drivers while protecting the identity of the amateurs doing the fox hunting. I mentioned that I-85 was RIFE with these clowns and it was a REGULAR occurance to hear a trucker yapping his 2-digit IQ trap(if he is stupid enough to be ON 10 Meters, he is stupid enough to be called STUPID!!!!) What these hams did was simple: they merely used their mobiles to monitor(usually 28.085 AM)10M while going to work, running errands, going on vacations, and driving on the Interstate. They said not a word. They followed the ARRL and RH's instructions to the letter by copying down the company' name, TRACTOR number (NOT the trailer because it may be being pulled by a contract hauler), the frequency, date/time, highway or milepost. The info was then emailed to Riley Hollingsworth who then mailed a letter to the company detailing the offense and warning them that they must call him to discuss the matter. These companies were VERY cooperative as most of them were not aware of their drivers' activities. Once notified, they took action to get the illegal radios OUT of their trucks. This meant that there could have been 10, 25, 40--even 75 trucks and more of these radios PULLED out of the trucks. Memos to drivers DID have an affect! Such companies as Waggoners, JW Randolph, Sferra Metals, Tennessee Steel Haulers, Knight, CC Trucking, and others got hit for this. A couple of them were somewhat amusing. Sferra Metals is owned by an Extra Class ham who did NOT know his drivers were using illegal radios, etc.! He was HOPPING MAD when the local ham called him on his 800 # to tell him what his driver was doing. The way he talked, that driver may have been terminated!!!! And other smart-a$$ driver, seeing a car with a screwdriver and several antennas (he didn't know what it was), and noting that the ham seemed to be talking on his radio, turned around and make obscene gestures at the mobile while jabbering nonsense on 28.085 AM. Being local, the ham arrived home before the driver could reach his yard in Concord, NC. He notified FCC via email, called the driver's boss and explained what his driver was doing.
The terminal boss begged the ham not to turn the company in, but, no, the ham explained, these infractions had to be reported because he had no way to insure that the company would discipline the driver.
The FCC report was duly reported on ARNewsline.
Was there any result from this? A resounding YES!!!! As I said, up to around 2007, finding a truck to report was easy! But as time went by it became less and less until NOW, you can drive I-85 and I-77 listening to the lower end of 10M and hear not a PEEP!!! If conditions are right, you can hear long-distance signal from the illegal ops. Those, local hams can't do anything about. But just because you can't HEAR them locally doesn't mean they are not there!! They ARE!!! What needs to happen is, pressure on FCC to replace Riley, and a resumption of mobile monitoring by hams in ALL areas. If you have a 10M mobile, LISTEN on the way to work, on the way home. Scan the band (if you can). Listen for them while running errands or going on vacation. How can you TELL which truck it is? Many of us have screwdriver HF antennas and multiple antennas. This really piques the interest of the truckers, and they may say something to you in an effort to find out what kind of "antanner" that is. BINGO! GOTCHA!!! Start writing. OR better yet, use one of those little keychain recorders to record the needed info. It DOES work!!!!! We just need more people to be concerned enough to monitor and ACT. I am not kidding: it DID work on I=85!!! TRY it!!!!!!! It doesn't take as much effort as we think to have a huge effect, not to mention the SATISFACTION of causing trouble for these
goofballs who think they've got "them thar rah'ts to tawk on them thar extree channels".
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by W6WBJ on November 22, 2008
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Remember when Riley Hollingsworth advised the amateur community to make one-way transmissions on top of the intruders and drive them off the air? God, what a loser that guy is! Jam a jammer; that's not jamming!
It serves the government right for enacting laws and regulations they can't enforce. This is obviously a vicious circle: the less the government enforces its laws, the less respect the lawbreakers have for the government, the more they break the law, and the less the government is able to enforce it. Too many laws. We have deluded ourselves into thinking that legislation can solve any problem, but all it does is make more problems.
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by ACBER on November 22, 2008
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"There WAS no "radio" in 1776!!!"
The constitution was created in 1787, and ratified in 1788.
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by WB9UDJ on November 22, 2008
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It seems that every area has one or two "Hams" that relish in working on, providing or building illegal radios and equipment for CB operators. Some do it for profit and some just to create more bedlam. Then when around fellow Hams they simply go Tsh Tsh when the subject comes up about the illegal CB activities.
The sad part is that they truly believe that no one knows of their illegal activities. When the local Hams start to press the matter the offender "Hams" just become affiliated with a new bunch of hams in another location.
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by ACBER on November 22, 2008
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When I was a teenager, I knew several helpful Amateurs that took the time to answer questions and help me get my novice ticket. But, the equipment was expensive, and I was stuck on the CW bands, which I didn't care for. So, I fell back on to SSB CB.. I kept my license valid, and 2 years ago I became a General, and invested about $2,000 in nice new equipment. One of my first good DX contact was into Krasnodar, Russia. I was elated, he gave me a 59 and said 73, the whole QSO lasted 45 seconds. What a let down that was. Another evening on 75m, I tried to make some contacts, my reception was less than cordial, so I shut my mouth. On 440 I accidentally said 10-4, and was prompting lectured on how this wasn't CB. Nobody really seems warm and friendly on Amateur Radio, and that has been a huge obstacle for me. When I read threads on here, they are full of disdain and venom towards CBer's. I just can't get a break.
At least on 11m, people will talk to newbies and answer questions. I build dipoles, and yagi's, and like to experiment, just like you. On some nights, when conditions are quiet, I can make contacts into Baltimore, and into the Catskill's with relative ease (I'm in Philadelphia) on 38 LSB. So despite a good faith effort to go "legit", I find myself back on 11m.
Perhaps that might strike some as a cop out, but that has been my experience with Amateur Radio. Flame away.
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by K8WZS on November 22, 2008
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Ted wrote : One of my first good DX contact was into Krasnodar, Russia. I was elated, he gave me a 59 and said 73, the whole QSO lasted 45 seconds. What a let down that was. Another evening on 75m, I tried to make some contacts, my reception was less than cordial, so I shut my mouth.
Ted , I explain this to other fairly new HF hams this way ! Many ops around the world no little english . And in those countries with limited language skills they get AWARDS for the many DX contacts they make -- they do WAS and Counties and Zones etc etc etc. So it is FUN for them , who know little of our language and other languages , to get on the radio ,make contacts and work toward a prestigious AWARD in their country. Hence , you will hear MANY foreign ops say in broken english you are 5 9 , tnx and 73 . And some have been at it a while and they appear to know the english language . They ARE not trying to be RUDE so please don't take it as that. What I have found to be fun and very useful is to learn a few ways to say hello , or good bye or tnx in other languages -- afterall they have taken time to learn a few words in our language why can't WE learn a few in theirs . Try this and I think you will see a smile when they wrap up the QSO -- even if it is a 45 second contact ! For the russian op for instance you could have said -- PREEV-YET for hello , SPICEEBA for tnx and DOSVEEDONYA for good-bye OR PaKAH for so long(a russian slang word) ! Ham radio is a learning while you are use it hobby that is continuous throughout your hobby . Keep learning what ever it is you need to and above all have fun but understand WHY some things are how they are. Heck you never know when the op on the other end will have a long QSO with you someday . I have HAD the experience of the above with a russian op who knew little english 10 years ago but he wanted to expand his HF radio from a CW mode and be able to speak some english for the use of VOICE on hf ! To date he has taught me some russian language and I have taught him my language . And when the band is up we speak English on hf and when the band is not up we talk via telephone in ENGLISH and talk for hours ! We are both hams and we are both learning in our hobby NOT only about antenna's and ham radio but of lifestyles , customs , culture and language ! His callsign is RX9SR and his name is Dima please listen for this ham on hf and when you hear him speak some russian ------- even a little bit will put a smile on his face --oh and to say a little bit use the words chut chut !! dosveedonya es 73
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by PLANKEYE on November 22, 2008
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THIS IS MY BOY ACBER:
When I was a teenager, I knew several helpful Amateurs that took the time to answer questions and help me get my novice ticket. But, the equipment was expensive, and I was stuck on the CW bands, which I didn't care for. So, I fell back on to SSB CB.. I kept my license valid, and 2 years ago I became a General, and invested about $2,000 in nice new equipment. One of my first good DX contact was into Krasnodar, Russia. I was elated, he gave me a 59 and said 73, the whole QSO lasted 45 seconds. What a let down that was. Another evening on 75m, I tried to make some contacts, my reception was less than cordial, so I shut my mouth. On 440 I accidentally said 10-4, and was prompting lectured on how this wasn't CB. Nobody really seems warm and friendly on Amateur Radio, and that has been a huge obstacle for me. When I read threads on here, they are full of disdain and venom towards CBer's. I just can't get a break.
At least on 11m, people will talk to newbies and answer questions. I build dipoles, and yagi's, and like to experiment, just like you. On some nights, when conditions are quiet, I can make contacts into Baltimore, and into the Catskill's with relative ease (I'm in Philadelphia) on 38 LSB. So despite a good faith effort to go "legit", I find myself back on 11m.
Perhaps that might strike some as a cop out, but that has been my experience with Amateur Radio. Flame away.
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THIS IS PLANKEYE:
I don't think it's a cop out at all.
I liked what you had to say!!
PLANKEYE
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by VK3DWZ on November 22, 2008
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Please stop complaining, gentlemen. Like the poor, intruders will always be with us and there doesn't seem to be much the regulatory authorities can (or will) do to stop them. Look on the bright side: in a few years, the sun-spot numbers wii increase and 10 will start to open up. Then we will have a whole 1.7Mc/s at our disposal. The "children" will still be there, but we shall be there to .
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by 5R8GQ on November 22, 2008
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ACBER
"You guys shouldn't use your call signs on here. It's like giving out your social security number."
No, it's not like ging out a SSN at all. We hams have *earned* our callsigns and are proud of them. We have nothing to hide. What are YOU afraid of?
Re the 10m "Intruders", yeah, I agree with many others, it is beating a dead horse. The problem has been here for a long while and there is nothing anyone can do to solve it. The FCC should go after them? Puh-leeze! With WHAT money?
When they come up on 10m I fire up the amp and call CQ
with CW (or better yet, RTTY) right smack on top of them. If they move, I chase them around for 10-15 minutes. It's great fun!
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This has been going on for over a third of a century! The big mistake was made when the FCC established the band for local CB contacts (11 meters) that enabled long distant communications to occur part of every sunspot cycle. Sooner or later the users were going to go for the distant contacts. Radios that can get on 10m, 11m and freeband frequencies are all over the place and can be easily obtained by anyone. If they haven't been curtailed in 30+ years they won't be now, especially with our Federal Government now saddled with record breaking debt.
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by K1CJS on November 23, 2008
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Its funny how some people on here admit to long distance communication on 11 meters when the regs plainly say that 11 meters or 'CB' is meant strictly for local use. If they can't be trusted to operate properly on CB, they can't be trusted to do so elsewhere either--including the ham bands.
They try their hand on the ham bands and are mad because they are corrected from using CB lingo on ham frequencies. Poor babies. Well, the CB service and the ham radio service are separate for good reason--so if you want respect on the ham bands, leave your 'lingo' on the CB freqs, where it belongs.
You can go ahead and use both as long as you keep in mind which you're using and use appropriate terminology when on the different services. It isn't hard to do.
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by ACBER on November 23, 2008
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We need more people like K1CJS in Amateur Radio, not. I knew when I wrote that I talked to the Catskill's on 11m that some pointy headed geek would say something stupid.
To everyone else on here, it'd been fun, but I am going QRT. Take care. 73
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by URBANGORILLA on November 23, 2008
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Chris, at least ACBER didn't balk at learning code like you did. His ham career began as a Novice. Yours began as a no-code Technician. You waited 16 years for the FCC to drop the code test before you became a General. IMO, ACBER earned his priviliges, while you waited for a welfare ticket. You should be the last person on this thread to make the statement you did about ham radio vs. CB and the ops on each.
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by W3HR on November 23, 2008
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>>Nobody really seems warm and friendly on Amateur Radio, and that has been a huge obstacle for me. When I read threads on here, they are full of disdain and venom towards CBer's. I just can't get a break.<<
The hobby is fundamentally a solitary pursuit, so it appeals to a lot of introverts. But I have found many friendly hams in my 20 years of being licensed, and developed numerous long-standing friendships.
If it's easy for you to let a "10-4" slip, you're probably still "sounding" like a CBer and other ops can sense that. You have to understand that most CBers are ignorant rubes with no intention of "going along to get along". They have no desire to conform to proper operating procedures or practices, preferring to keep with wrong-thinking about radio fundamentals and expecting everyone to change for them. They have an entitlement attitude, not recognizing that transmitting is a priviledge. Thank God we don't have to deal with them on CW.
I once made the mistake of letting a CBer sit in the shack with me while making an HF phone contact. Upon hearing that the station was over a thousand miles away, like Jekyll and Hyde, this guy grabbed the mic from me and started hollering, "BREAK-BREAAAAAK!! BREAKER!!" I immediately shut down the radio and told him he couldn't behave like that on the Amateur bands. He indignantly spouted, "DON'T YOU TELL ME I CAN'T TALK ON THIS RADIO!!"
Without exception, every CBer I've come into contact with has this same attitude. Entitlement.
Since hams have to work to earn their licenses, and assimilate concepts that are foreign to the average CBer, there's a considerable amount of jealousy involved; which leads to beligerence. It's this inherent lack of respect that causes CBers to be treated in kind. For those wanting to cross over from the "dark side," the best thing they can do is totally lose the CB radios, mentality, lingo, and beliefs - and orient their core towards studying and emulating good Amateur practice and theory.
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by K1CJS on November 23, 2008
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ACBER--don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
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by K1CJS on November 23, 2008
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What's the matter ACBER, guilty conscious? I didn't mention you by name.
To you UGH, he and you are alike in more ways than not. BTW, I haven't had my ticket for 16 years--but I have it. Do you? I doubt it.
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by AC7KZ on November 23, 2008
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I once used my ham call on cb by mistake. Funny the other guy was a ham also.
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by ONAIR on November 23, 2008
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Funny, I once did the exact same thing. A CBer came on and told me to get the hell off of 11 meters and get back on the ham bands where I belong!
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by K1CJS on November 24, 2008
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If you think that bothers me, you're mistaken. I've put that info up or have had it put up on several web sites including the ARRL website.
Just because you're too cowardly to ID yourself doesn't mean I am.
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by WC4R on November 24, 2008
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Use the band, especially the first 400 KHz, and the freebanders will fade away. They operate where it is quiet.
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by K4KWH on November 24, 2008
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It's 2:30 PM Local and I am listening to 2-digit IQ clowns on 28.085 AM (truckers). As I said, WE have the means to DO something about this, but we DON'T/WON'T!! I related how a group of local hams got the truckers OFF a stretch of I-85 with not a whole lot of effort. Today, I can cruise I-85 (Spartanburg, SC to Charlotte, NC) and I-77 from Charlotte, NC to Augusta, Ga, and hear not a PEEP. What I DO hear is long distance signals from out West of here on Interstates that haven't been "swept".
Like Mr Hollingsworth or not, he was able to get cooperation from the companies themselves who, once advised their drivers were doing something illegal, acted to get the illegal radios OUT of their trucks.
He really didn't HAVE to fine any of them (tho there WERE some fines to CBers for operating on 10M), once the companies were notified of the problem, they acted swiftly to rectify the problem. One or more companies FIRED one or more drivers for it. So like him, hate him............whatever; I don't care. I can testify to the fact that 1),I used to find truckers on our local interstates, 2)Hollingsworth told us how WE could get rid of them, 3) By doing EXACTLY what he said to do (document, report the CORRECT information), a small group of local hams were able to "sweep" out the bootleggers around here. IT-DOES-WORK! Instead of sitting here moaning about what the "regulators" AREN'T doing, why not try DOING something YOURSELF? I know that Mr. H is gone, but it was pressure that caused a Special Counsel to be appointed before, and it is pressure than can cause it again.
You see, FCC is COMPLAINT-DRIVEN. THEY-ARE-POLITICAL-BUREAUCRATS AND PAPER PUSHERS. Few of those who call the shots are even knowledgable about electronics, sad to say. They merely push buttons and say, "Here, take care of this!" If WE don't bring this evidence TO them, then they think there is no problem! It is up to US to BRING them evidence. Now *I* and the other locals who worked to "sweep the trash" out of our area, can't DO anymore! What is needed is for mobile-equipped hams to QUIETLY listen and bring the CORRECT information to FCC's attention in YOUR OWN AREA!!! If the info is not correct, then it IS useless. Things like.....the trailer tag #. ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS!!!!! Get the TRACTOR'S info such as the tractor number, company name on the door, date, time, road, frequency. Riley once told me over the phone that we'd be surprised at the stuff hams have sent in that meant sh-- from shinola!!!!! :( Stuff that couldn't be used. But, oh boy, how the hams criticized HIM when it was the INFO THEY SENT that was without merit!!!!
The chicken banders ARE there on 10. We can't always hear them, but when we CAN, that's the time to go "fishing". NO, no special trips, just while going to work, vacation, errands. You'd be surprised what you can accomplish with a small effort!!!!
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by ACBER on November 24, 2008
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My esteemed K1CJS: It's corn holes like you that ruin the hobby. You talk like your an old salt at Amateur Radio, your just a no code appliance operator. Take your sanctimonious ideology somewhere else. I was trying to be open and honest on a respectable forum, and you had to ruin it.
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by URBANGORILLA on November 24, 2008
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To ACBER,
When the World Radio Conference voted in July 2003 to remove mandatory code testing from international treaty and leave it to the option of each nation to decide whether to retain or delete code testing for HF amateur radio privileges, all Chris (K1CJS) did on eHam's threads was whine and cry that the FCC should do away with the code test. This No-Code Technician saw no reason why he should have to demonstrate a mere 5 wpm code proficiency to gain access to HF spectrum. Instead of just learning the Code once the requirement was lowered to 5 wpm from 13, like thousands of other NCTs did, Chris chose to wait until 2/23/2007 to get his No-Code General. Now he is acting like some big proud ham talking down to one who learned the Code and upgraded to General from Novice, but chooses to work 11m instead of the amateur bands. Hey man, you earned the privs. If you choose not to use them and work 11m instead, that's your right. This is a free country. I recognize your amateur privileges. So does the FCC. IMO, you're more of a ham than Chris because you did something Chris refused to do. You did what you had to do to earn your privileges instead of waiting for the freebie. You learned code. You both passed the written exams, but the code test sets you apart from him. You didn't whine and cry about the code test, you did it. I live in New York. The next time I come to Philly, I'll put my old Lafayette SSB-80 in the car and give you a shout on 38 LSB. I still use CB once in a while. As long as you're legal, it's not a sin.
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by K2FOX on November 24, 2008
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reply to original post
"Ten meters is deader than Elvis right now and reliably good propagation on the band is still at least a couple of years off. So, except for an occasional rare opening, there's no way to “police” general activity. If there is any activity, it'll be local. If nothing else, hams using ten for local contacts need to do some vigilant “scanning around” to see if there are unauthorized users present, then make a report to their ARRL section so it can be hunted down and reported (I doubt if reporting suspected illegal use directly to the F.C.C. would get much accomplished and it would probably be a lengthy process). "
Most of the hams in my area use 11m for local ragchewing, (27.385 LSB). Nice bunch, and a few regular cbers hang there too. Nice to talk to, friendly, polite. Not at all like 75 phone...who is policing that anyway?
peace
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by N7YA on November 24, 2008
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"One big happy family!!!.... " KC8WSC
Yep. Im a DXer so it doesnt matter to me...if i hear CBers on 10, im happy because its open to somewhere.
As i said before, CB doesnt bug me at all, we never cross paths, i started on CB in the late 70's, my folks were on it since the early 60's and its absolutely NO different than these internet forums where people are just as rude and disrespectful to one another. Besides, we cant stop it so why get your blood pressure up?
I also have thick skin so some geeky ham operator giving me flak on fone is of no consequence because i am probably quicker on the draw than he is anyway. I have yet to be confronted by a CBer...and if i do, i wont try to remind him he is operating illegally, thats futile. I will just fire up and make qso's with other licensed hams right there on frequency...i dont expect any pink slips from the OO on that one.
I do ham radio because its fun. I no longer do CB because it was very limited on the DX side of things...i love talking to my VE7 bretheren, but i just dont consider BC or Texas to be DX...so i got a ticket and upgraded.
I first passed 20wpm in 1984, not to be cool or rub it in anyones face, i did it so i could work the bottom 25...thats it. To me, my ham family is anyone who is nice to me, the rest can go scratch themselves for all i care...no hurt feelings, no pipe dreams of grandeur, no expected ticker tape parades for being a 20 wpm extra...i saw that pride when i first entered ham radio, but the old guys are too grumpy and the new guys just dont care. I care, so i make my own personal ham experience a good one, the rest of you are on your own, i hope we can meet on even ground.
Seriously guys, were CBers and ham operators...nobody cares what we did, what we do or who we think we are.
73...Adam, N7YA
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by K1CJS on November 25, 2008
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I also ran CB in the 70s--like quite a few present hams did. There are always some people on the ham bands who did, yet they still want to drag their CB operating habits onto the ham bands. A slip to other lingo once in a while when on the ham bands is no big deal, but constant use of that lingo is.
This internet site is NOT ham radio. No matter how some people act here--rule breakers, rule benders, etc. things here aren't regulated--or moderated, for that matter. On the ham bands there is regulation, and for good reason. If people show that they will break regs elsewhere no matter how trivial the reg is, how can they be trusted on the ham bands?
Likewise, why should ham operators who do observe the regs be expected to tolerate the intrusions on the ten meter band by people who don't?
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by K1CJS on November 25, 2008
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N7YA said:
".....To me, my ham family is anyone who is nice to me, the rest can go scratch themselves for all i care....."
Excellent way to look at things, Adam. 73.
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by K2FOX on November 25, 2008
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If there is so much regulation on the ham bands, how come 75 meters is so screwed up?
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by W6WBJ on November 25, 2008
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I agree with N7YA. Talk to anyone who is nice to you and shows you respect. Don't let other hams tell you whom you can talk to.
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by K6JPA on November 25, 2008
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Adam, Well said. As always with your posts, you demonstrate much class.
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by K9FON on November 25, 2008
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"I once made the mistake of letting a CBer sit in the shack with me while making an HF phone contact. Upon hearing that the station was over a thousand miles away, like Jekyll and Hyde, this guy grabbed the mic from me and started hollering, "BREAK-BREAAAAAK!! BREAKER!!" I immediately shut down the radio and told him he couldn't behave like that on the Amateur bands. He indignantly spouted, "DON'T YOU TELL ME I CAN'T TALK ON THIS RADIO!!"
If it were me and he talked that way to me, i would have tossed the dumb A$$clown out on his ear!!!
It gets me how much CBer's have this bad a$$ attitude towards pretty anyone and everything in life. I guess that's why most of the CB ops i know have a felony record a mile long. Most of them have been in trouble with drugs and or alcohol. I try to keep myself as far I can keep myself seperated. I have too much going in my life to let these types bring me down..
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by K1CJS on November 25, 2008
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"....this guy grabbed the mic from me and started...."
That would be the day I'd let someone try something like that in my shack. He'd be out the door--fast! :-)
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by WD9FUM on November 25, 2008
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I was tuning across 75 last night and heard the word A******E being repeated continuously. It's no wonder I keep my kids out of the shack st night!
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by NR8TV on November 25, 2008
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I've been humiliated,shunned,tuned up on,ignored...ect.. more on ham bands then any cb channel.Most of the cber's are alot of fun.The crappy ones are on 80 meters.I think there are more problems among hams rather then the cber's.I really don't think there will be any trouble.Take care,Dave NR8TV
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by PLANKEYE on November 25, 2008
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FOX:
Most of the hams in my area use 11m for local ragchewing, (27.385 LSB). Nice bunch, and a few regular cbers hang there too. Nice to talk to, friendly, polite. Not at all like 75 phone...who is policing that anyway?
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PLANKEYE:
75 PHONE is the Arrogant Hams NIGHTMARE!!
Who is Policing that anyway?
I don't give a Damn who you are or what you know.
Being nice to talk to, friendly, and polite, that's what's important.
RIGHT OR WRONG?
Think about it guy's.
Not cooked and Never Heated!!
PLANKEYE
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by W9SFA on November 25, 2008
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W3HR said: "Without exception, every CBer I've come into contact with has this same attitude. Entitlement."
I'm almost more willing to deal with that attitude than the attitude emanated by almost every ham I've come in contact with... arrogance.
I wonder when all the incessant whining will convince the FCC to close the CB band, enact 40wpm code requirement for the tech class, hire half a million monitors to track every disruptive signal and lock up every CB'er for two lifetimes?
The attitude displayed by most hams on these forums (end elsewhere) is the very reason I don't actively try to recruit people to test. I'm ashamed to admit that I'm "one of them" when I see such constant whining by people who claim to be grown men.
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by KC4RAN on November 25, 2008
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I think some CW, RTTY and maybe even Olivia beacons on certain frequencies down in the bottom portion of 10 would really help us determine propagation more accurately.
Thoughts?
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by URBANGORILLA on November 25, 2008
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W9SFA, originally KB9BZX- another No-Code Tech turned No-Code General. How could you be ashamed to admit that you're "one of them"? You aren't "one of them". If you were, you would have "earned" your General by passing a code test instead of waiting for your welfare ticket. It is we who should feel ashamed to be hams now that the no-code sludge has entered our ranks. Now that AR is a no-code service, we have become CB.
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by EC158 on November 26, 2008
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So let me understand this...if you got your licence and had to take the code test then you "earned" it and if you took the no code test you were"welfared"? I guess all the questions on the test mean nothing then, lets just make everyone take the code test and scrap all the questions.
I know people who have and have not taken the code requirement. Funny. when you talk to them on the radio they don't sound any different. They both spent alot of time putting together their stations and have pride in their accomplishment.
If they are polite, courteous and can hold an intelligent conversation without dropping vulgarities every ten words, then what the heck is the difference? Maybe the old timers on 75 that had to "earn" their licenses could learn a few things from them, huh?
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by K1CJS on November 26, 2008
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Isn't it strange that most of the comments about the ham bands becoming CB is from people without the guts to put their callsigns where their mouth is? Maybe because those people don't even have callsigns! Those same people then have the nerve to include themselves when speaking about ham radio operators.
If those self appointed anonymous critics would keep those comments off this board, the cries of ham bands becoming CB would all but disappear from here--and that would be oh, so nice!
The citizens band has its place and its uses--just like morse code has. When these people who do nothing but complain finally realize that--and realize that diversity is what makes the radio communication hobby so interesting and attractive, maybe they'll stop the complaining and attacking, even though that seems to be the only reason they post anything on this board.
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by KF7CG on November 26, 2008
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Hey UG, take this call and see what you can do with it.
KF7CG - Bet you get it wrong!
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by URBANGORILLA on November 26, 2008
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KF7CG, you came up through the ranks as a Novice. You were an Advanced as early as 8/11/87. I'm not certain, but it looks as though you upgraded to Extra on 7/15/06. You passed code exams at 5 and 13 wpm. If I was wrong about your Extra upgrade date and it was 5/4/99, then you also passed a 20 wpm code test. I can't tell when you got your Novice ticket. I also don't know if you were a Tech before you were a General, or if you went straight from Novice to Advanced. You didn't balk at any of the exams, you just did them. Anyone who began as a Novice and earned an Advanced ticket worked hard for their privileges. The Advanced exam was no piece of cake. From your ULS records, I can tell you've been around. I didn't count the address changes, but I believe you lived in at least three states. Anyway, I can tell you worked hard for your privileges. You definately didn't take the easy route. You did it like every ham should have.
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by 5R8GQ on November 26, 2008
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K1CJS Said:
ACBER--don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
Hahahaha! Excellent! Dude, that's one of the few posts
you've ever made here that I agree with. Keep up the good work!
Social Reformer Ken
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by KA5ROW on November 26, 2008
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The intrusion into 10 Meters is 100% the FCC fault.
First of all I don't have a problem with a CB existing, but the FCC knew better than to create a CB band that would be vastly effected by solar cycles.
CB should have been put in a VHF or UHF spectrum as to limit it's range to fit the regulations set for less than 150 mi.
They could have made it FM with a 20 to 25 watt limit. Look a 2 meters with a simple Cushcraft ARX270 dual band vertical up 30 ft I can talk to mobiles simplex 25 mi. Away. Base to base 50 to 60 mi. "But that is government for you".
But it is too late now, even if they did it today. There are millions of 11 meter radio out there.
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by 5R8GQ on November 26, 2008
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"First of all I don't have a problem with a CB existing, but the FCC knew better than to create a CB band that would be vastly effected by solar cycles"
Yup. Those frequencies were part of the 10m ham band up until September 1958.
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by KF7CG on November 27, 2008
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Thanks! You did better than I expected. I had "Murphy's" own time with the code. Failed the exam in front of the ommission multiple times. 64 out of the 65 characters needed.
No General Class License; Tech to advanced. I was prepared to go to advancedd when I first went to upgrade from Novice. Went to Technician instead. Never could make it ot 20 wpm even though I tried quite hard. Took the Extra when I could get it. The Old Novice with it requirement of being "sponsored" by another Ham of at least General Class or better was a great teaching tool.
My Elmer was an Extra and also had both his 1ST Class Radio-Telephone and 1ST Class CW Commercial Licenses. A big help!
KF7CG
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by N6JSX on November 27, 2008
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Other than to NOT communicate with suspected/known unlicensed signals - THIS IS A FCC/ARRL OO PROBLEM ONLY!
The FCC is the only enforcement action that can bust illegal sales of out of band radios/amps. Even our direct tips/information as to WHO is selling will not typically motivate the FCC (they are too few/sparse). And the ARRL has seen fit get an agreement that ONLY the ARRL can pass OO type info to the FCC affectively BLOCKING HAMs from direct FCC contact. The ARRL HQ is the ONLY officially recognized contact to the FCC and the ARRL is ONLY motivated by PR self interest to increase member$hips/$alaries).
When it comes to FCC priorities - HAM Radio is not even on the list UNLESS a HAM is interfering with a government service or commercial business interest (that has money to lobby congress/news media).
So all our good intentions are for NOT... How do I know this I was the ARRL OO Coordinator for the Los Angles Section in 1986-88, with the largest active HAM population of any metro area in the USA, hence LA/Orange/Inland Empire had the worst VHF/UHF problems of any place in the USA. The LA Section Manager only wanted OO's to police "HIS" 20 meter NET frequency and His 2m NETs (I violated that direction daily). We had many 2m cases with all the evidence possible short of video tapes and could not get the ARRL HQ to even inform the FCC.
With permission form teh SW Div Director I went around the LA SM directly to the Long Beach/Cerritos FCC Field office and laid out all my evidence on three serious 2m jamming cases. They were impressed but I was told they only have five RDF Engineers and three vehicles to cover San Diego to Santa Maria. And by Washington's direction they could only act upon government (Secret Service being #1 - President Regan/San Clemente White House ring a bell then later Santa Barbra Ranch) and commercial problems. They could not cover all the problems within their area with such a small staff in one of the most radio active ares of the USA. The local FCC did try to help me ON THEIR OWN PERSONAL TIME on a few occasions. This got me a letter of reprimand from the ARRL HQ in going outside the OO chain of command. I gave up and resigned from the ARRL/OO's.
In 1995, I was talked back in being the Wisconsin OOC for one year. I found the ARRL HQ had really clamped down on the OO program replacing the SM with ARRL HQ as the ONLY contact approach to the FCC. I gave up and have been a critical voice of the ARRL "HQ" brotherhood that wants to be everything to all HAMs and fails miserably at OO duties! The OO program is affectively a HQ PR tool. A few OO activities occur with the FCC, but if you could really look under the table I bet someone in that OO/affected group went behind HQ's back to their Congress persons and got some political pressure to get a fix. The ARRL "HQ" was allowed to take joint credit - but the bottom line was the problem went away and ALL ARE NOW HAPPY (irregardless of who got the koodoo's).
BUT REMEMBER ARRL MAY CONTROL FCC ACCESS BUT NOT OUR CONTACT TO CONGRESS!!!! WHO GIVES THE FCC THEIR BUDGET/PROMOTIONS?
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by 5R8GQ on November 27, 2008
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"BUT REMEMBER ARRL MAY CONTROL FCC ACCESS BUT NOT OUR CONTACT TO CONGRESS!!!! WHO GIVES THE FCC THEIR BUDGET/PROMOTIONS?"
With the U.S. national Debt topping 10 TRILLION dollars, large banks and auto makers tanking, hundreds of thousands of Americans facing foreclosure on their homes, and the govt involved in two costly wars, no representative in his/her right mind is going to introduce a bill (or line item of another bill) to increase funding to the FCC for CB or amateur radio enforcement. They'd be the laughing stock of their constituents as well as committing career suicide.
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by OLDEPHARTE on November 27, 2008
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5R8GQ: With the U.S. national Debt topping 10 TRILLION dollars, large banks and auto makers tanking, hundreds of thousands of Americans facing foreclosure on their homes, and the govt involved in two costly wars, no representative in his/her right mind is going to introduce a bill (or line item of another bill) to increase funding to the FCC for CB or amateur radio enforcement. They'd be the laughing stock of their constituents as well as committing career suicide.
OLDEPHARTE: If anything, we can expect a decrease in the FCC's budget. Don't be surprized if the FCC gets zilch for enforcement.
73,
OLDEPHARTE
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by K1CJS on November 27, 2008
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"With the U.S. national Debt topping 10 TRILLION dollars......"
Most of that debt is held by China. Imagine that. China owns the debt that the US owes.
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by OLDEPHARTE on November 27, 2008
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The China debt is more like $1.4 Trillion. We borrowed money from them to buy oil this year, plus our trade deficit to the Chinese, plus the Chinese own bond investments in Fannie and Freddie and other US Financial Corporations.
Most of the rest of the national debt can be attributed to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I have the perfect solution for the national debt. End the Iraq War and cut out all foreign aid. Not one red penny should go to foreign aid until there are no homeless people in the United States, no starving people in the United States, there are no Americans living in Tobacco Road shacks or urban slums or city housing and all American infrastructure is upgraded and modernized. As long as needs exist for our country and our people, there should be no foreign aid.
Eliminate the foreign aid and we can wipe out the national debt. There will be enough governmental money for every American need.
It is essential that Obama fix the healthcare problem in this country. Like greed and "how high is high?" caused the housing bubble to burst, greed will force the next bubble to burst shortly. The next bubble is healthcare. Due to greed of doctors, hospitals, drug manufacturers and labs, the cost health insurance is becoming so high that soon employers won't be able to offer it as a benefit anymore. Have you noticed over the years that your premiums keep going up and the coverage keeps going down? Out-of-pocket expenses (co-pays) are much higher for everything. Medicare will go bust before Social Security as it will collapse under the weight of the aging baby boom generation.
I don't envy our President Elect. He has a lot of work to do.
73,
OLDEPHARTE
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by PLANKEYE on November 27, 2008
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I just wonder where the FUN went.
This is a Hobby, A reasonable person would associate a Hobby with Enjoyment. Right or Wrong?
Bickering, Arguing, Disrespect, Slander, Hatred, Back Biting, ETC... That's THIS Hobby. Right or Wrong?
THAT IS THIS HOBBY!!
Does a reasonable person enjoy that type of thing?
Are people who enjoy that type of behavior considered Reasonable?
PLANKEYE
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by 5R8GQ on November 27, 2008
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"OLDEPHARTE: If anything, we can expect a decrease in the FCC's budget. Don't be surprized if the FCC gets zilch for enforcement."
That's what I was trying to say.......
Ken
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by W6GQ on November 27, 2008
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WAIT A MINUTE!!!
WAIT JUST 1 DAMN MINUTE!!!!!!!!
ARE YOU FLIPPIN KIDDING ME?!!!!
IS THIS FOR REAL?????????????
ARE YOU SURE ELVIS IS DEAD?
HOLY COW!
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by 5R8GQ on November 27, 2008
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OLDEPHARTE
"The China debt is more like $1.4 Trillion. We borrowed money from them to buy oil this year, plus our trade deficit to the Chinese, plus the Chinese own bond investments in Fannie and Freddie and other US Financial Corporations."
Yup. China holds more U.S. Dollars in CASH reserves than any other financial institution or government in the world. The 2007 trade deficit with China was $256 Billion dollars. You can thank the 103nd Congress for granting China "Most Favored Nation" trading status in 1994, overriding Clinton's vetoe. U.S. markets are wide open to Chinese products, but Chinese markets are mostly closed to U.S. goods (mostly automobiles, manufactured items, heavy machinery, high ticket items, etc).
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by 5R8GQ on November 27, 2008
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PLANKEYE Said:
"THAT IS THIS HOBBY!!
Does a reasonable person enjoy that type of thing?
Are people who enjoy that type of behavior considered Reasonable?"
It may be off topic, but we are ham radio operators having a discussion. You are a trolling punk without the stones to list your name, much less your callsign,if you even HAVE ONE.
If you don't like it leave,
And don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out!
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by ACBER on November 28, 2008
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PLANKEYE is my buddy, don't pick on him or else we'll open a can of whoop ass.
73
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by EC158 on November 28, 2008
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as 5r8gq points out himself, we are all ham operators having a discussion. So why is he calling PLANKEYE names? He is also part of the discussion.
5r8gq, be nice or nobody will play with you.
73's and 88's
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by ACBER on November 28, 2008
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A lot of my friends still love Browning Golden Eagles, and Tram D201's. They are willing to pay top dollar. Personally, I prefer Icom's over Brownings.
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by N7YA on November 28, 2008
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Apparently not the moderators...oh wait, there arent any.
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by W3HR on November 28, 2008
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>>If it were me and he talked that way to me, i would have tossed the dumb A$$clown out on his ear!!! <<
K9FON and K1CJS...
Oh, that was definitely the end of the tour. After I explained to the CBer some of what he'd have to do and learn to become a ham, he rejected the idea outright - wanting everything to be given to him instead. Some of his first questions were how he could get away with circumventing the rules. And this was 18 years ago! Even then, the entitlement mentality was in place.
W9FSA said,
>>I'm almost more willing to deal with that attitude than the attitude emanated by almost every ham I've come in contact with... arrogance. <<
As my personal experience relates, it's not like I haven't been friendly and open with CBers in the past, but once bitten, twice shy. Heck, I know everyone's not like that - I can even think of a couple of exceptions right now - but if I walk up to 50 CBers and 49 of them crap on me... well, I'm not going to approach many CBers. I can understand how that might be perceived as arrogance, but the ones who genuinely want to become hams will find a way - it's not that difficult for anyone with a modicum of intelligence. I have seen that, too.
73, de Tim, W3HR
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by W3HR on November 28, 2008
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FWIW, when I say I know of exceptions, it's just that; ones that I KNOW of. Not ones I've had personal experience dealing with while they were in the CB stage. Unfortunately, CBers are still batting 000 with me!
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by PLANKEYE on November 28, 2008
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K1CJS:
Isn't it strange that most of the comments about the ham bands becoming CB is from people without the guts to put their callsigns where their mouth is? Maybe because those people don't even have callsigns! Those same people then have the nerve to include themselves when speaking about ham radio operators.
If those self appointed anonymous critics would keep those comments off this board, the cries of ham bands becoming CB would all but disappear from here--and that would be oh, so nice!
The citizens band has its place and its uses--just like morse code has. When these people who do nothing but complain finally realize that--and realize that diversity is what makes the radio communication hobby so interesting and attractive, maybe they'll stop the complaining and attacking, even though that seems to be the only reason they post anything on this board.
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THIS IS PLANKEYE:
Isn't it strange that most of the Hate filled and Arrogant posts come from the folks that post with a Callsign?
Want some examples?
K1cjs, you ain't foolin everybody Homie!!
Keep the PBR out the VFO Fellas!!
I got to Go!!
PLANKEYE
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by 5R8GQ on November 29, 2008
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EC158 Said:
"as 5r8gq points out himself, we are all ham operators having a discussion. So why is he calling PLANKEYE names? He is also part of the discussion"
What's this *WE* Kemosabe? I don't see a callsign or a last name after YOUR name OR "ACBER"s name. (Or even a first name under Plankeye, but at least you two have the stones to list a first name and some personal interests. (Or course, you still could both be trolls. WWW.Youngboys.com indeed! Gimme a break!).
Since you love CB, why don't you start your own website? eCB.net?
"5r8gq, be nice or nobody will play with you."
Oh, I am not worried about that.
Unlike some folks, I spend far, far more time on the bands than in front of a computer terminal.
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by PLANKEYE on November 29, 2008
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5R8GQ:
Oh, I am not worried about that.
Unlike some folks, I spend far, far more time on the bands than in front of a computer terminal.
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THIS IS PLANKEYE:
Sure you do Sir? Are you telling US that or YOURSELF?
DUDE, that is SILLY!!
PLANKEYE
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by EC158 on November 29, 2008
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You are no kimosabe of mine, i don't know you or care to. I am a ham and i post annonymously because i can. i enjoy 11m as well and if i used my real call sign and said that i would surely be crucified by the likes of you. I'll talk anywhere where the folks are genuine and friendly, 11m included.
Hmm...looking over my logbook it would appear that we made contact a while ago (cant say when it would give me away, haha). I'll just punch up the delete button...
peace
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by KG4RRN on November 30, 2008
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Unkle Riley did go after a few of the scafflaws, and they did take away a few malcontents in the process, over the last few years. 10 meters is now in the perview of Technician class licensees, on a portion of it. Letting Pirate CBers on it because the Japanese and American capitalists want to make a buck is good for the economy, but bad for those who want to make their first 10 meter QSO.
I like the baited troll articles, keep 'em coming...
Look at this, it if becomes a problem, we will deal with it when that time comes, REACT to it.
Idea #1 : Make them think their rigs are 'out of band' and tell them REACT is on this frequency. They will hear that, and check their rigs, but that might create more problems because then they will want to whistle and tune up !!!
Idea #2 : I agree with the more experienced hams, since there is no meaningful enforcement, spin the VFO knob...
Idea #3 : The other ham suggested that we QRM them, and that would be a violation of "our" licenses.....
Idea #4 : invite them to a local testing session so they to can run 1500 watts once licensed...maybe it will do more good for them and us, teaching never fails....
Barney
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by 5R8GQ on November 30, 2008
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5R8GQ:
"THIS IS PLANKEYE:
Sure you do Sir? Are you telling US that or YOURSELF?
DUDE, that is SILLY!!"
Well, I work on weekends and nights in a Radiology Department that is either dead or crazy busy. When it is dead, I like to surf the Net and read eham.
As far as being on the air, you have demonstrated in the past that you are clever with a computer. You could have checked QRZ for my callsign lookups (5R8GQ AND AD6KA). You could have seen the number of unclaimed eQSL's I have waiting for me under those calls at eQSL.cc. ( I don't send out electronic QSLs).
While I would agree that these numbers are not an indication of *actual* QSO's, these days, how many people actually DO send out QSL's? One in 5? One in 10?
I *could* send you my logbook with the 14,000 QSO's I have made in the last 7 years (minus the 4,500+ I lost in a computer crash which were not backed up....stupid of me, I know). But my log is personal property which I don't care to send to a stranger. I can already here you calling this a cop out but it matters not to me. My on the air friends know who I am and what I do. I will let you get the last word in here...I know you're dying to, aren't you?
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by W9SFA on November 30, 2008
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Crybaby said: "W9SFA, originally KB9BZX- another No-Code Tech turned No-Code General. How could you be ashamed to admit that you're "one of them"? You aren't "one of them". If you were, you would have "earned" your General by passing a code test instead of waiting for your welfare ticket. It is we who should feel ashamed to be hams now that the no-code sludge has entered our ranks. Now that AR is a no-code service, we have become CB."
First off, here's a Kleenex for the tears.
Yes, ashamed to be one of you. You are a whiny moron who has spent the better part of a decade crying about a change in testing requirements by the FCC. I wonder when your incessant whining will make them change the rules?
I wonder how much longer you miserable old geeks will cry about this. You're calling new young hams names and referring to then in a negative light because they took a test that the FCC changed requirements for long before they ever even heard of amateur radio.
I've seen toddlers with more maturity than you miserable old bastards. The fact that you are old enough to have taken the test when code was required speaks only for your old age and nothing for the education level of the new ham. The new, young amateur operator couldn't taken the code test if he wanted to.
Wipe the tears away, empty your colostomy bag and try to act like a grown adult if at all possible
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by ONAIR on December 2, 2008
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Look, the reality is that all CBers and new hams must be destroyed! If the old hams don't do it ASAP, these young whipper snappers and CB punks will eventually take over everything. We cannot wait for the FCC to act, or all will be lost!
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by K4KWH on December 3, 2008
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Idea #3 : The other ham suggested that we QRM them, and that would be a violation of "our" licenses.....
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KG4RNN,
It is perfectly OK to "qrm" them. The rule does NOT preclude that because it's actual meaning pertains to LEGAL stations vs. LEGAL stations. Deliberately interfering with another LEGAL station is actionable via the rules, but there is NO "QRM" to a station that has no license, or permission to occupy the frequency. I mean, come ON People!!!! To interpret the rules literally would mean that a legal station would have to stand by in deference to a station that has no damn business being there to START with!! That is just plain stupid!!!!! Let's have a bit of common sense, folks!!! The illegal station has NO standing!!! He has NO legal "right" to be there in the first freakin' place, and, therefore, he has no complaint if a LEGAL station decides to occupy a frequency right on top of him even if said legal station "interferes" with HIM!!!! The only exception would be an EMERGENCY situation where an otherwise non-licensed station came on and asked for assistance. THEN, you would have to stand by (or render assistance to the other station)while other stations assisted, etc. Otherwise "interference" cannot be generated to a station that just decides to plop down on a frequency and start yakking!
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by AC5WO on December 4, 2008
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Hams could ask for a few modifications to Part 97 to make CB intrusion into the lower part of the 10 meter band less desirable to CBers.
First the problem: CB type transceivers are being manufactured that allow transmission on additional "letter bands" offset by multiples of 450 kHz from the legal 40 CB channels. Intrusion on 28.085 is channel 19 CB shifted two "bands" higher.
http://www.offroaders.com/tech/Citzen-Band-Radio.htm#Freebanding_and_Export_Radios
They pollute the 10m neighborhood the same way mobile homes would pollute an upper middle class suburb by lowering a financial and cultural barrier to entry.
Proposed rule changes:
Modify the rule for beacon stations, 97.203 http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2009/97/203/ to allign small 5 kHz wide beacon bands with the most active illegal offset CB channels centered at 28.065 MHz, 28.075 MHz, 28.085 MHz, etc. Tones from beacon stations would make using these illegal channels tedious for CBers and hams could listen for both band openings and intruders with the same receiver.
Modify the rule for authorized emissions type, 97.305 http://www.hallikainen.com/FccRules/2009/97/305/ to allow phone operation down to 28.200 MHz. This would increase activity in a relatively quiet part of the spectrum.
Add a new equipment certification requirement for amateur radio transmitters for the 12m and 10m bands that would exclude the sale of illegal CB radios as amateur radio equipment. This would be a feature checklist paper certification, not a lab measurements type requirement. The trick is to write requirements that real amateur radio transceivers can easily pass and illegal CB radios will fail. For example, making an AM signal by modulating the final amplifier is no longer done in new real amateur radio transcievers but is common in CB radios. We could probably not allow certification of transceivers that transmit in the 12m and 10m bands that do high level AM at the final. We could also not allow certification of 10m and 12m ham transceivers with pre-programmed, fixed, channels corresponding to the offset CB channels. Finally, amateur transceivers that transmit in all the amateur bands from 3.5 MHz through 29.7 MHz with tuning increments of 100 Hz or less would automatically pass this certification with or without AM. Single band 12m and 10m transceivers that have no way to generate AM without significant addition of circuitry would also fly through this certification requirement. However, cheap to manufacture channelized single band 12m or 10m transceivers capable of transmitting AM would be assumed to be an illegal CB.
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by K4KWH on December 4, 2008
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This past Thanksgiving weekend, I drove a 150 mile trip from the Charlotte, NC area to Augusta, GA. At one time this route, I-85, I-485, I-77, I-20 were FULL of truckers (turkeys? :) ) yapping on 28.085 AM. I followed this same route last weekend. There were NO
local 10 Meter incursions by truckers during that time.
That was because hams themselves got it STOPPED!!! They did it by following instructions previously given by the then Amateur Special Counsel. While it appears clear that NOBODY seems to CARE enough to DO something except complain on HERE, this method WORKED and even provided satisfaction to those involved by seeing these trucking companies getting lettered, showing up on QRZ and ARRL.org. This current lack of trucker activity in the area mentioned was nothing more than the actions of those hams who simply would not PUT UP with it and the fact that, once notified that their drivers were doing something illegal, the companies themselves made the drivers JERK the radios OUT of the trucks under threat of FINES. (Remember? The letters from Riley usually stated, "You are requested to call me by such'n such a date to discuss this matter.") Well, they DID discuss it and one of the things they discussed was jerking these "10 Meter" radios out of the trucks under threat of FIRING!!!!!!! The result was, the stretches of highway I mentioned are now mostly free of illegal 10 Meter incursions. The ones that DO occur are coming from other areas, not up and down I-85 and I-77!!! The same results could be had in YOUR own area if you were willing to act. But, I know, from the results I've seen, the whining, the complaining, the idle discussion that goes on here, nobody is interested enough to simply listen and report. We're certainly willing to offer all kinds of suggestions, most of which won't work. The most effective way is by DIRECT INTERVENTION by hams ourselves! A spate of complaints from HAMS themselves is enough to make FCC go, "Hmmmm, there must be something going on here." They are COMPLAINT-driven and so long as they don't HEAR anything, they think all is quiet on the western front!
Take time to LISTEN to 10 Meters in your LOCAL area. You might be suprised----and MAD to hear truckers yakking out on your nearby interstate.
J
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by EC158 on December 5, 2008
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I never knew about the problem on 10m until reading this thread. But I'm glad I know now. I was traveling through upstate PA last weekend on a back road and broke down. I called on channel 9 and 19 on the CB but no one responded. Remembering this thread, I took a chance and called on 10m and sure enough I got a response. I was able to get help thanks to a trucker. I know it was wrong but I dont care, it beats being stuck on some lonely back road. Good thing my CB was modified!
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by KG8DP on December 5, 2008
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About the only thing we can do for 10 meters is use it. and use it to the tilt. Call CQ DX at the legal limit if the band is at a stand still. Use cw, SSB, digi. think of it this way, if you walk for exercise, would you rather go to a mall before the stores open and walk in the manner which PLEASES you? or wait till the mall opens and dodge the people. As hams, we can make our own place in a crowded mall. The people that are not supposed to be on 10m legally, will "walk before the mall opens." 73's Mark KG8DP
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by K4KWH on December 5, 2008
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I never knew about the problem on 10m until reading this thread. But I'm glad I know now. I was traveling through upstate PA last weekend on a back road and broke down. I called on channel 9 and 19 on the CB but no one responded. Remembering this thread, I took a chance and called on 10m and sure enough I got a response. I was able to get help thanks to a trucker. I know it was wrong but I dont care, it beats being stuck on some lonely back road. Good thing my CB was modified!
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MR. EC128,
While your post is likely a troll, I will warn you of this: Several chicken banders have received $10,000 FINES for operating "on them thar extree channels thar with their modified or 'export' reddios". To you, this might be funny, but then I would expect that from a chicken bander since one must not tax their faculties beyond that which they can fathom---being CBers, don'cha know, and not known for high intelligence.
So you go right ahead and yap your trap on 10 Meters. One of these days there'll be a ham following you and he won't give a rats a-- if you break down ten ways from nowhere!!! You will be reported to FCC, required to answer official correspondence and, (hopefully) FINED for your stupidity. Make fun; it's just a matter of time. Them thar truckers thought THEY were big and BAD and nobody could mess with THEM. Just google "truckers and 10 Meters" and see how "funny" it is. A few hams can make it REALLY funny again if you p--- them off enough
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by EC158 on December 6, 2008
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K4KWH:
Sorry I don't know what a troll is...you don't seem like a very nice person. You don't know me, yet you trash talk me. You probably don't have many friends, if any at all. I talk where I talk, deal with it. It was a momentary thing, in an emergency. I have no regrets, but also I don't plan on making a habit of it. If I had a cellphone at the time, it wouldn't have happened. Would I do it again, yes if necessary.
Sorry I ruffled you feathers (well, not really).
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by W9SFA on December 6, 2008
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K4KWH said: "So you go right ahead and yap your trap on 10 Meters. One of these days there'll be a ham following you and he won't give a rats a-- if you break down ten ways from nowhere!!! You will be reported to FCC, required to answer official correspondence and, (hopefully) FINED for your stupidity. Make fun; it's just a matter of time. Them thar truckers thought THEY were big and BAD and nobody could mess with THEM. Just google "truckers and 10 Meters" and see how "funny" it is. A few hams can make it REALLY funny again if you p--- them off enough"
You keep right on believing that ham geeks are badasses. It's hilarious. Ever see a ham geek get pissed off? It's an ugly sight... he may throw his pocket protector or coke-bottle glasses at you. Worse yet, he may curl up in a fetal position and write complaints to the FCC... complaints that are mostly dismissed into the shredder.
I took your advise and Googled "truckers and 10 Meters". All I found was poorly-written eHam articles, whiny rants and more of the same "ham ops are gonna kick the truckers ass". You were correct: It was highly amusing.
Maybe someday you'll reach puberty and your whining will subside.
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From: K4KWH (Jerry Oxendine)
Date: TODAY
Subject: RE: Ten Meter Surprise
Subscribe: No
W9SFA
This one comes from FCC's webpage.
Before the Federal Communications Commission Washington, D.C. 20554 ) )
) In the Matter of ) File Number EB-07-TP-095
Richard Ross ) NAL/Acct. No. 200732700011 Titusville, FL ) FRN: 001-73713-29 ) ) )
NOTICE OF APPARENT LIABILITY FOR FORFEITURE Released: March 31, 2008 By the District Director, Tampa Office, South Central Region, Enforcement Bureau:
I. Introduction
1. In this Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture ("NAL"), we find that Richard Ross, apparently willfully and repeatedly violated Section 301 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended ("Act"), by operating an unlicensed radio transmitter. We conclude, pursuant to Section 503(b) of the Act, that Mr. Ross is apparently liable for a forfeiture in the amount of ten thousand dollars ($10,000).
II. BACKGROUND
2. On June 4, 2007, in response to complaints of interference, agents from the Commission's Tampa Office of the Enforcement Bureau ("Tampa Office") inspected the Citizens Band ("CB") station located at Mr. Ross' residence. During testing of Mr. Ross' equipment, the agents determined that two of his CB radio transmitters were non-certificated transceivers, capable of transmitting on unauthorized frequencies. The agents also measured the output power for his transmitters and found them to be operating with seven and eight watts, respectively, output powers greater than authorized in the Commission's Rules ("Rules"). The agents orally warned Mr. Ross that use of non-certificated or modified equipment capable of transmitting on unauthorized frequencies and with greater power than authorized is strictly prohibited by the Rules and voided his authority to operate the CB station. Mr. Ross voluntarily surrendered both devices to the agents.
3. On July 10, 2007, in response to additional complaints of interference, the Tampa office sent an official letter, certified and regular mail, to Mr. Ross, restricting his hours of operation for his CB station. Specifically, the letter instructed Mr. Ross not to operate his CB station from 6 AM EST to 11:59 PM EST. On July 11, 2007, the Tampa office received a response to the official letter in which Mr. Ross claimed he was now in compliance with the rules.
4. On August 16, 2007, agents from the Tampa Office inspected Mr. Ross' CB station to confirm that his CB station was in compliance with the Rules. The agents found that Mr. Ross' CB radio station included a CB transmitter and two linear amplifiers. The agents measured the power of the CB transmitter and found it had an average power output of 3.5 watts carrier power. They tested the amplifiers combined power output and found the devices had the capability to boost the power of the station to several hundred times the authorized power level. The agents orally warned Mr. Ross that the use of linear amplifiers or any device that creates a power greater than the authorized limit is strictly prohibited by the Rules and voids the authority to operate the CB station. Mr. Ross voluntarily surrendered both linear amplifiers to the agents.
5. On November 20, 2007, in response to additional complaints of interference, at approximately 10:15 A.M., agents from the Tampa Office located the source of a strong signal on a CB radio channel using direction finding methods to Mr. Ross' residence. An agent recognized the voice of the transmissions to be that of Mr. Ross.
6. Still on November 20, 2007, agents from the Tampa Office inspected Mr. Ross CB station. A wattmeter measurement indicated the power of Mr. Ross' transmitter during the inspection to be two watts, under the maximum authorized power under the Rules. The agents then traced the coaxial cable from the output of the transmitter and found it was connected to a linear amplifier. Measurements taken with the amplifier connected to the CB transmitter indicated the amplifier had the capability to boost the power of the station to several hundred times the authorized power.
7. Still on November 20, 2007, the agents observed an open notebook. The notebook showed log entries that indicated that Mr. Ross made several long distance calls using his CB radio during that morning. The entries coincided with the times the agents, using direction finding techniques, traced transmissions originating from Mr. Ross' residence. The agents orally warned Mr. Ross that the use and possession of the linear amplifier and operating out of the authorized hours prescribed on the official letter issued on July 10, 2007 violated the Rules and voided his authority to operate the CB station.
III. DISCUSSION
8. Section 503(b) of the Act provides that any person who willfully or repeatedly fails to comply substantially with the terms and conditions of any license, or willfully or repeatedly fails to comply with any of the provisions of the Act or of any rule, regulation or order issued by the Commission thereunder, shall be liable for a forfeiture penalty. The term "willful" as used in Section 503(b) of the Act has been interpreted to mean simply that the acts or omissions are committed knowingly. The term "repeated" means the commission or omission of such act more than once or for more than one day.
9. Section 301 of the Act requires that no person shall use or operate any apparatus for the transmission of energy or communications or signals by radio within the United States except under and in accordance with the Act and with a license. Section 95.404 of the Rules states that CB operators do not require an individual license to operate a CB station because they are authorized by this rule to operate in accordance with the rules in this subpart. Individuals operating, pursuant to this provision, however, must operate their CB stations in accordance with the rules in this subpart.
10. Section 95.409(a) of the Rules states that you must use an FCC certificated CB transmitter at your CB station and that the use of a transmitter, which is not FCC certificated voids your authority to operate the station.
Section 95.410 of the Rules states that your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed ... under any conditions: 4 watts (carrier power). Use of a transmitter which has carrier power in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the station.
On June 4, 2007, agents from the Tampa Office determined that Mr. Ross operated his CB station with two non-certificated transmitters that had a power output of seven and eight watts (carrier power), respectively. On June 4, 2007, Mr. Ross was warned that operation of his CB station with a non-certificated transmitter and with a power level greater than authorized violated the Rules and voided his authority to operate his CB station.
11. Section 95.411(a) of the Rules states that you may not attach external radio frequency (RF) power amplifiers to your certificated CB transmitter in any way. Section 95.411(b) of the Rules states that there are no exceptions to this rule and that use of a power amplifier voids your authority to operate the station. The Commission will presume that you have used a power amplifier if it is in your possession and if there is other evidence of overpower operation.
On August 16, 2007, and on November 20, 2007, agents from the Tampa Office observed that Mr. Ross had attached linear amplifiers to his CB station. Immediately prior to the inspection on November 20, 2007, the agents observed Mr. Ross' CB station in operation. On August 16, 2007 and November 20, 2007, the agents determined that the amplifiers attached to Mr. Ross' CB station had the capability to boost the power of the station to several hundred times the authorized power level. On August 16, 2007, and November 20, 2007, Mr. Ross was warned that attaching linear amplifiers to his CB station violated the Rules and voided his authority to operate his CB station.
12. Section 95.423(a) of the Rules states that if the FCC tells you that your CB station is causing interference for technical reasons you must follow all instructions in the official FCC notice. Section 95.423(b) of the Rules states that you must comply with any restricted hours of CB station operation which may be included in the official notice. On July 10, 2007, the Tampa Office sent an official letter, certified and regular mail, to Mr. Ross. In the official letter Mr. Ross was instructed not to operate his CB station from 6 AM EST to 11:59 PM EST.
On November 20, 2007, the agents observed Mr. Ross operating his CB station out of the authorized hours (approximately 10:15 AM) established in the July 10, 2007 official letter. 13. Because Mr. Ross violated several sections of Part 95, Subpart D of the Rules, Mr. Ross voided his authority to operate his CB station pursuant to Section 95.404 of the Rules. Therefore, based on the evidence before us, we find that on June 4, August 16, and November 20, 2007, Mr. Ross willfully and repeatedly violated Section 301 of the Act by operating a radio transmitter, his CB station, without authorization from the Commission.
14. Pursuant to The Commission's Forfeiture Policy Statement and Amendment of Section 1.80 of the Rules to Incorporate the Forfeiture Guidelines, ("Forfeiture Policy Statement"), and Section 1.80 of the Rules, the base forfeiture amount for operating without an instrument of authorization is $10,000. In assessing the monetary forfeiture amount, we must also take into account the statutory factors set forth in Section 503(b)(2)(E) of the Act, which include the nature, circumstances, extent, and gravity of the violations, and with respect to the violator, the degree of culpability, and history of prior offenses, ability to pay, and other such matters as justice may require. Applying the Forfeiture Policy Statement, Section 1.80 of the Rules, and the statutory factors to the instant case, we conclude that Mr. Ross is apparently liable for a $10,000 forfeiture.
IV. ORDERING CLAUSES
15. Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 503(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and Sections 0.111, 0.311, 0.314 and 1.80 of the Commission's Rules, Richard Ross, is hereby NOTIFIED of this APPARENT LIABILITY FOR A FORFEITURE in the amount of ten thousand dollars ($10,000) for violation of Section 301 of the Act.
16. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 1.80 of the Commission's Rules within thirty days of the release date of this Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture, Richard Ross, SHALL PAY the full amount of the proposed forfeiture or SHALL FILE a written statement seeking reduction or cancellation of the proposed forfeiture.
17. Payment of the forfeiture must be made by check or similar instrument, payable to the order of the Federal Communications Commission. The payment must include the NAL/Account Number and FRN Number referenced above. Payment by check or money order may be mailed to Federal Communications Commission, P.O. Box 979088, St. Louis, MO 63197-9000. Payment by overnight mail may be sent to U.S. Bank - Government Lockbox #979088, SL-MO-C2-GL, 1005 Convention Plaza, St. Louis, MO 63101. Payment[s] by wire transfer may be made to ABA Number 021030004, receiving bank TREAS/NYC, and account number 27000001. For payment by credit card, an FCC Form 159 (Remittance Advice) must be submitted. When completing the FCC Form 159, enter the NAL/Account number in block number 23A (call sign/other ID), and enter the letters "FORF" in block number 24A (payment type code). Requests for full payment under an installment plan should be sent to:
Chief Financial Officer -- Financial Operations,
445 12th Street, S.W., Room 1-A625,
Washington, D.C. 20554.
Please contact the Financial Operations Group Help Desk at 1-877-480-3201 or Email: ARINQUIRIES@fcc.gov with any questions regarding payment procedures.
18. The response, if any, must be mailed to Federal Communications Commission, Enforcement Bureau, South Central Region, Tampa Office, 2203 N. Lois Avenue, Suite 1215, Tampa, Florida, 33607 and must include the NAL/Acct. No. referenced in the caption.
19. The Commission will not consider reducing or canceling a forfeiture in response to a claim of inability to pay unless the petitioner submits: (1) federal tax returns for the most recent three-year period; (2) financial statements prepared according to generally accepted accounting practices ("GAAP"); or (3) some other reliable and objective documentation that accurately reflects the petitioner's current financial status. Any claim of inability to pay must specifically identify the basis for the claim by reference to the financial documentation submitted.
20. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that a copy of this Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture shall be sent by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested, and regular mail, to Richard Ross at his address of record. FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION Ralph M. Barlow District Director Tampa Office South Central Region Enforcement Bureau 47 U.S.C. S: 301. 47 U.S.C. S: 503(b). Section 312(f)(1) of the Act, 47 U.S.C. S: 312(f)(1), which applies to violations for which forfeitures are assessed under Section 503(b) of the Act, provides that "[t]he term 'willful', when used with reference to the commission or omission of any act, means the conscious and deliberate commission or omission of such act, irrespective of any intent to violate any provision of this Act or any rule or regulation of the Commission authorized by this Act...."
See Southern California Broadcasting Co., 6 FCC Rcd 4387 (1991). Section 312(f)(2) of the Act, 47 U.S.C. S: 312(f)(2), which also applies to violations for which forfeitures are assessed under Section 503(b) of the Act, provides that "[t]he term 'repeated', when used with reference to the commission or omission of any act, means the commission or omission of such act more than once or, if such commission or omission is continuous, for more than one day." 47 C.F.R. S: 95.404. 47 C.F.R. S: 95.409(a). 47 C.F.R. S: 95.410. 47 C.F.R. S: 95.411(a). 47 C.F.R. S: 95.411(b). See 47 C.F.R. S: 95.410. 47 C.F.R. S: 95.423(a) 47 C.F.R. S: 95.423(b) 12 FCC Rcd 17087 (1997), recon. denied, 15 FCC Rcd 303 (1999); 47 C.F.R. S:1.80. 47 U.S.C. S: 503(b)(2)(E). 47 U.S.C. S:S: 301, 503(b), 47 C.F.R. S:S: 0.111, 0.311, 0.314, 1.80. (...continued from previous page) (continued....) Federal Communications Commission
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RE: Ten Meter Surprise
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by EC158 on December 7, 2008
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W9SFA...looks like K4KWH knows how to cut and paste..not sure exactly what it all has to do with what you were talking about though.
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RE: Ten Meter Surprise
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by N6HPX on December 8, 2008
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I will be listening and using both SSB and maybe some PSK when the band opens again I use to use it from Diego Garcia back in 1990-92 and worked 500 qso's in 3 days.
Larry n6hpx/mm
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Ten Meter Surprise
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by KJ4IDH on December 8, 2008
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This will be very hard to beat as long as licensed hams make a profit from this. KB4RQN , Allen Davis in Bartow,FL openly sells and repairs these so called "10 Meter radios" as well as the modified amplifiers to go along with them. Call him up and ask, or just drop by his store. http://www.wildwoodcontracting.com/
Look at this photo, in the show case is a Galaxy "10 meter" radio as well as others. http://www.wildwoodcontracting.com/graphicsNEW/Alan.JPG
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RE: Ten Meter Surprise
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by W9SFA on December 8, 2008
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K4KWH -
I'm overjoyed you figured out how to cut and paste FCC Enforcement articles... There are sometimes as many as 2 or 3 of those relating to CB ops in a single year! Were you practicing or honing your cut/paste skills? For future reference, perhaps you could do it somewhere else so as not to disrupt the forum with insignificant, meaningless text that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Thanks.
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RE: Ten Meter Surprise
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by N6HPX on December 8, 2008
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As I recall there use to be a rig that was a 10/11m rig and it was very easy to convert over as many CB bootleggers were doing. Some were found operating around 26300 or some other frequencies. There was a company back 30 plus years ago that was selling modified CB equipment for such like as what was descirbed here , but the program with that person was his gear was sold only to Licensed Hams.
Larry,n6hpx/mm
Hawaiian Islands
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