eHam.net - Amateur Radio (Ham Radio) Community

Call Search
     

New to Ham Radio?
My Profile

Community
Articles
Forums
News
Reviews
Friends Remembered
Strays
Survey Question

Operating
Contesting
DX Cluster Spots
Propagation

Resources
Calendar
Classifieds
Ham Exams
Ham Links
List Archives
News Articles
Product Reviews
QSL Managers

Site Info
eHam Help (FAQ)
Support the site
The eHam Team
Advertising Info
Vision Statement
About eHam.net



[Articles Home]  [Add Article]  

Homeland Security and Ham Radio

Bill Leahy (K0ZL) on December 4, 2008
View comments about this article!

All:
Regardless of how you voted this November, please take some time to let your feelings be known about the role that Amateur Radio should take in Homeland Security and emergency preparedness on a national level.

Please navigate to this page, put in as much personal info as you care to, and then tell the new Obama/Biden administration about Ham Radio and our capabilities. Keep it short and I would suggest, very positive.

http://change.gov/agenda/homeland_security_agenda/

For example, I mentioned that we are a cadre of over 250,000 dedicated communicators, with our own equipment and training systems in place, ready to help; and that all we need in return is some support in getting our antennas up, when we have to fight our local governments and homeowner's associations.

I then supplied some links to the ARRL to give the readers some more information sources.

Let's use this opportunity to build some Amateur Radio awareness into the incoming administration. 73!

Member Comments:
This article has expired. No more comments may be added.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N2RRA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I agree 100%

I think this administration wants effective and resourcesful solution to the means of improving our nations security and other well being issue's.

It's a start and must absolutely always remain active in their eyes, or we lose it all.

Use it or lose it! It's just that simple!

73!
On my way to that link!
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WW5AA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Homeland Security like all Federal programs over the last 40 years is a joke. Put away your badges, safety vests and enjoy the hobby!

73 de Lindy
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WV4L on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the link.
 
Let's keep it the way it is.  
by AI2IA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
It is a necessary evil that we must be licensed to operate because of limited spectrum space, the nature of radio communications, public and personal safety, etc.
We have done remarkably well over the years with licensing, and VOLUNTEER public service. We continue to do so.
What we do not need is MORE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL of our lives or of ham radio. That government governs best that governs least. Additional appointed, not elected, well paid, non-technical government bureaucrats telling us what to do is not a good idea at all.
WE ARE A SELF-GOVERNING PEOPLE, FREE AND INDEPENDENT. Let's keep it that way.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K0BG on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hello Bill. Long time since... There are several problems associated with the hypothesis about HLS.

First, it assumes there will be some controlling force to properly deploy the first, second, and third responders to whatever disaster occurs. It is an invalid assumption. We've already seen the effects when the assumed leadership is nonexistent and/or ineffective. Any of the hurricane responses are glaring examples of this assumption.

HSL is but one small corner of our governmental conglomerate, and by definition, wasteful. Again, all we need do is look at the aftermath of the hurricane response for a lesson in governmental waste. There are still displaced people, and the trailer homes purchased to house them are now off-limits. So much for leadership!

I could go on and on, but the pattern is so pervasive, everyone over the age of 10 knows of it's existence. If there is a saving grace, it is a lesson we should garner from our troops during the battle of the bulge. It was the individual efforts of the solders, acting alone for the most part, that won the battle.

Lastly, the one thing we all have to remember (contrary to popular belief), is the fact amateur radio is not a first responder, or even the second. While the HLS hailed us for our efforts, we were never 'called up' to fight the battle. What we did was a result of individual efforts, and not because of any leadership from above.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KD4LLA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Ah, yes. It is the likes of the homeland security folks that are keeping me from enjoying the use of my local airport facilities, all in the name of Homeland Security. The same government department that had to have a new $100,000 farm tractor painted special just to work the land near the runway. I guess the red tractor could not be seen as easily from the air...

These are the same kooks that want me to disrobe at the airport to fly on a plane.

If anything we need less government involvement/ regulation in our lives. I will take care of myself and my family. Should the need arise for assisting the local authorities, I will do what needs to be done.

Can anyone tell me of ONE government agency that has been shutdown? There isn't any, because government bureaucrats keep saying they need more, more, more and more of my tax money.

Homeland Security was/is the biggest boondoggle yet.

Mike
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KC2RGW on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
It's all already in place.

DHS -> OEM -> RACES

From a RACES perspective, I believe there is a decent awareness in place now. The biggest trouble is the coordination on a local level between resources so that they all understand each other's roles.

The NIMS/ICS courses online are quite well put together. The biggest problem is finding local resources in the 'cooperating' agencies that will play ball with the system.

If you weren't already aware of RACES and you want to participate, by all means, contact your local OEM and see if you have a local RACES chapter.

If you are already active in RACES, ensure that your visibility in a realistic context (This is critical. Those that overemphasize the role make the greater effort look like a clown show.) is defined with the local city council or county seat, they will be the ones to assist in resources for the mission at hand.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WA2DTW on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Under the new Administration, Homeland Security will not be a joke.

With the increased dependence on satellites and other potentially vulnerable modes, one can envision a scenario where our part of the spectrum becomes vitally important, with hams serving as an ever-present communications infrastructure.
And we need an allocation at 500 and 170 kc NOW.

73
Steve WA2DTW
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by AI2IA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"Under the new Administration, Homeland Security will not be a joke."

How do you know that?

After years and years of experience with big government waste, mismanagement, and inability to do the job, what evidence do you have that this time it will be any better?

Most of us "are from Missouri. You've got to show us!"

How do you know that?
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W9PMZ on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
BO will save us! Why are we even talking about homeland security.

When he becomes prez, won't everyone then like the US then???

73,

Carl - W9PMZ
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WI7B on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

I'd like to deal with the specifics of Bill's exmaple:

"For example, I mentioned that we are a cadre of over 250,000 dedicated communicators, with our own equipment and training systems in place, ready to help; and that all we need in return is some support in getting our antennas up, when we have to fight our local governments and homeowner's associations."

(1) What does the 250,000 number represent? ARES/ARRL memebers? The actual number of licensed radio amateurs in the US is closer to 660,000. Who is excluded from this figure?

(2) "some support...to fight local government and homeowner's associations." I think this mostly concerns me. I personally DO NOT WANT the Federal government involving themselves in local government politics any more than is now happening. Nor do I want them fighting homeowners - my neighbors. The way to win "antenna rights" is through local and state initiative. It's by convincing your neighbors and fellow citizens, not by bringing in central govenrment agents and agencies to fight them in your name. Read the last QST for real world examples of how to wage your own fight for "antenna rights".

73,

---* Ken

 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KC0RBX on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hams want to help, there is no question about that. I hold that the best way to inform government "officials" is to grab 'em by the neck and squeeze the ever living *$%@ out of 'em until you have their attention, then tell them what's on your mind. Otherwise, they tend to stay in their own little world, ignoring us insignificant "civilians". May sound harsh, but that is the reality of today. I'm not a fan of government but it does have its place. Enough of my rant. They won't know about us unless we tell them.
 
SAME DUDES AS ON E-HAM?  
by PLANKEYE on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
OK check this out right quick, I got a couple of quick questions.

Are the Hams involved in Homeland security the same ones that post here on E-Ham?

Is this the same Dudes?


Plankeye











 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WW5AA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Mercy! The ECCOM boys are here to save the day! (was that Mighty Mouse?) Anyone that has ever been involved in state or local law enforcement knows that during early stages of any incident, the biggest pain in the butt is the arrival of a Federal Agency saying “We are here to help”. The second biggest pain is the pandering ham, without a life doing the same thing. Yes, there are isolated instances of ham radio coming to the rescue, but so what? It is more likely that the first local communications (assuming all else fails) will be a truck driver and his CB radio.
The notion that we will be useful if satellites or other infrastructure fails is the most pompous thing I have heard in a long time. Folks, you better start thinking about serving your family and friends. The Globalists are here to make us all united and if that means a little terrorist black mail, be prepared. As “POGO” once said, “We have met the enemy and he is us”.

73 de Lindy
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K3ZS on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
One of ham radio's purposes, to foster international goodwill would probably be more receptive by the new administration. They want to restore some of the diplomacy lost over the last 8 years and give the U.S. a more favorable image in other countries.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K1CJS on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
That's all we need is more takeover of our hobby by the emcomm crowd. It isn't enough that there are skywarn spotters out to keep an eye on the weather. It isn't enough that we have the ARES crowd taking over frequencies with little or no notice. It isn't enough that our national association that is supposed to listen to all its members keep pushing emcomm and winlink no matter how many members tell it we just want to have our hobby be a hobby? Now we're going to be forced even more to take that hobby and make it into something it was never meant to be?

NO! We're here to lend a hand and volunteer our services when necessary. WHEN NECESSARY! We're not here to become a permanent and regular communications adjunct to agencies and services--most of whom obviously don't want our help in the first place. We're not here to become an official communication service. If those select few keep pushing the emcomm facet of ham radio and deny the fact that ham radio is first and foremost a hobby service, the only ones left will be the wanna-bees of the emcomm croud--the rest of us will be forced out.

Emcomm has grown to the point that they should have their own set frequencies and equipment--and be gotten out of the ham bands. Give them frequencies in the analog TV low band and get them out of what should be left as a hobby service.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WW5AA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"One of ham radio's purposes, to foster international goodwill would probably be more receptive by the new administration. They want to restore some of the diplomacy lost over the last 8 years and give the U.S. a more favorable image in other countries."

If those countries liked the eight years and oral sex in the Oval Office before the last eight years, maybe we do not need to do anything for our image. I could care less what they think. As a matter off fact, I would like to see some image changing from the French and Germans…..forget “The ugly American” how about a reversal in image by the “envious and brain dead”.

73 de Lindy
PS: My French and German DX friends are exempted from this comment (:-)
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by EX_AA5JG on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I couldn't agree more with K1CJS. This constant focus on Encomm and homeland security since 9/11 is ruining the hobby. QST does nothing but push APRS, D-STAR and Encomm now. New hams think there is nothing more to ham radio than 2m FM and APRS. They quickly get board and leave. Let's keep the hobby a hobby about communication, propagation, and DXing.

73s John AA5JG
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KR6DJ on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
The reasons that I got into amateur radio was to satisfy a desire to tinker with electronics and to communicate with other people around the world.

I can certainly see a use for amateur radio as a means of emergency communications -- in certain scenarios.

But, to participate in drills or trying to establish some sort of involvement with government entities is absurd. It reminds me of those guys that used to run around with Civil Defense vests and flashlights. I know it's nice to feel needed, but let's face it we are a group of hobbyists who would be in the way of the emergency service professionals unless they specifically asked for our assistance.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K9CTB on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Good Idea Bill ... thanks for the post. Well I have to disagree with folks like WW5AA who say hams who "don't have a life" interfere with law enforcement and first responders. That's hogwash, and my proof is in the huge number of - and the language within - letters of appreciation I have seen from authorities in many instances where amateur radio assisted their efforts. And folks, the badges and safety vests are the requirements of the agencies we (amateurs) serve ... not something we made up on our own (for the most part).

Somewhere there is a balance between public service using amateur frequencies and resources, and the hobby aspects of a good DX contest or a 40 meter ragchew. As people interested in preserving the precious spectrum we do have, it's up to us to find that balance. This, imo, is the incumbent issue we face in the "use it or lose it" question.

73 de Neil
K9CTB
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WA2DTW on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I really don't understand the reason for all this acrimony. Yes. Ham radio is first and foremost a hobby. And there is room in the hobby (and on the bands) for everyone, including encommers. (that is, provided that they don't step on an ongoing QSO with WinLink):-)

73
Steve WA22DTW
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KL7AJ on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"...... Put away your badges, safety vests and enjoy the hobby!"

Bravo! Couldn't have said it better.

Whenever I hear the Emcomm folk talk "use it or lose it" why do they never mention the 12 microwave bands we have above 2GHZ that are almost TOTALLY vacant, along with 220 mhz, 902 mhz, and even 6 meters, a good part of the time. THERE's where we really have the danger of use it or lose it! I see my role in Amateur Radio as expanding the radio frontiers, improving my skills, and learning something about the universe. How about enjoying radio for the sake of radio. It is called AMATEUR radio for a reason. When it ceases to be FUN, it ceases to be radio.

Period.

eric
 
RE: Let's keep it the way it is.  
by WX4O on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Agree
 
RE: Let's keep it the way it is.  
by K9MHZ on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well, we've always been in a pickle when this subject comes up from time to time. We're freely allowed to use A LOT of allocated band space, and in other worlds that amount of frequency spectrum is worth big, big dollars. Yes, ARES tends to attract an very embarassing element (hygiene, body mass, appearance, weird behavior), but in an ironic way it's huge for us.

Whenever anyone wants a piece of us, what's the first thing that we all do.....point to our capabilities for handling emergency traffic during disasters. More than anything else, this is what comes up first. It's kind of a love-hate relationship for many people (I bathe, exercise, don't put flashing lights on my vehicle), so I might suggest doing what I prefer to do....rolling my eyes and looking the other way. Having lots and lots of band space just so we can all experiment and have a cool hobby is a pretty tough sell in the face those (and their attorneys) who would like nothing better than to lay claim to what we have.

Cheers,

Brad
K9MHZ

 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W1YB on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you for the link, Bill.

I'll take advantage of it...

Amateur Radio is a hobby - PLUS. There are 5 distinct purposes of Amateur Radio. There is a place for every ham.

Many hams are too lazy, too old, too fat, too out of shape, too out of touch and too self-absorb for participation in EMCOMM activities. Those hams who can function in EMCOMM should do so at their choice. Those hams who prefer to serve one of the other purposes of Amateur Radio should do so.

Thanks again, Bill!




 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K6AER on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I might as well wade in on this.

Ham radio is a hobby and basically not much else. While we fantasize that some ham will save the day and that has happened on many occasions we are basically no more useful in an emergency than any citizen with a cell phone.

Most ham repeaters fail when the power is out. Very few home stations have the facilities for serious emergency power and even fewer are capable of long time emergency commitment.

I know many will say we are the last resort but quite frankly most hams could not deploy even if they had the training and local, state and federal agencies could put any trust in our ability to be there when they needed help.

Case in point, ever try to get help with field day. A few will wonder by. Now imagine the large cadre of hams showing up to help in an emergency while their family patiently waits at home for rescue. It is not going to happen.

Every year I see the physical caliber of hams who show up at Dayton. About 20% would be able to function in a field capacity but most would need to be rescued themselves.

Don’t get me wrong, it is a wonderful hobby but in an emergency we are only antidotal as to our contribution.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K9MHZ on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by K6AER on December 4, 2008

Every year I see the physical caliber of hams who show up at Dayton. About 20% would be able to function in a field capacity but most would need to be rescued themselves.<<<<


Oh man, that's funny! Even funnier because it's so true.

Cheers,
Brad
K9MHZ
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KF4HR on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"Under the new Administration, Homeland Security will not be a joke."

And unemployment will disappear. And the unrest in the middle east and the rest of the world will cease to exist. And peace among nations will grow around the world. And no one will ever again want for food or X-Boxes. And there will be equal and new opportunities for all. And the Big-3 will put Japan out of the auto making business. And the economy will take off like a rocket. And everyone will pay less taxes... well, except those lousy upper class folk who have worked hard and/or smart, and somehow managed to exceed an average salary (hey, let's not go overboard here!).

Oh, and most importantly, I'll win the nationwide Lottery.

Yeah buddy... the new administration is going to be GRRRRRRREAT! ;^)

KF4HR
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K1CJS on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
".....Whenever anyone wants a piece of us, what's the first thing that we all do.....point to our capabilities for handling emergency traffic during disasters. More than anything else, this is what comes up first....."

Agreed. BUT....we don't have to have organizations within organizations with all the effort pointed to emcomm. We have handled health and welfare traffic and certain other traffic for years without the multi faceted ARES/RACES organizations that have sprung up since the WTC disaster.

Traffic handling nets and message passing have been around much longer than that--and it was much simpler and easier back then when emcomm fever wasn't so pervasive.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by SWL377 on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
by WW5AA on December 4, 2008 Homeland Security like all Federal programs over the last 40 years is a joke. Put away your badges, safety vests and enjoy the hobby!

73 de Lindy

What Lindy said! I agree. Homeland Security is a joke. They spend billions on useless stuff. Why do police in tiny midwest towns need federally funded assault vehicles and SWAT gear? Maybe better spent there than paying Halliburton with out tax dollars to do stuff in Iraq, a country swimming in oil.

We should contract foreign security/anti terrorism work to Israel. At least they infiltrate the terrorist groups, something we have consistently failed at accomplishing, if you judge by results.

Ham antennas should be under exclusive federal control, not subject to fickle cities and HOAs. If SAT TV antennas are, why not ham antennas? Unsightly antennas? I have never seen one ;-). Bring em on, one and all, short and tall.

73,
Mark
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K9MHZ on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>by K1CJS
Agreed. BUT....we don't have to have organizations within organizations with all the effort pointed to emcomm. We have handled health and welfare traffic and certain other traffic for years without the multi faceted ARES/RACES organizations that have sprung up since the WTC disaster.

Traffic handling nets and message passing have been around much longer than that--and it was much simpler and easier back then when emcomm fever wasn't so pervasive.<<<<



True but none of that, especially after 911, is going to inspire that same gut reaction that a grass roots, and appearing noble group of guys next door wanting to save the homeland will do. Trust me, I'm with you.....nothing embarasses me more than when I see one of these goobers driving around in his urban command post and wearing something that is supposed to look official....provided that the sizes come in at least a XXXL. I say that we let them do what they want, and if it helps to keep us allocated with band space that we desire, then God bless 'em.

Best,
Brad
K9MHZ

 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by G0GQK on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Let me suggest that you are flirting with danger when you begin to associate a hobby with a government of any political colour. The work people do on a voluntary basis during times of emergency is highly valued, and America has had plenty of those in the last ten years.
Amateur radio is not a military service protecting its citizens against unseen infiltrators, its just a name. Amateur radio is not a government military arm such as the Army, National Guard, the Coast Guard, the Air Force, the US Marines and the US Navy. Do you wish to become a faschist nation ?

G0GQK
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W4KVW on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
BO(aka:The MESSIAH)does NOT even know what ham radio is or ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING called HAM. PLEASE do NOT hold your breath or your an SK & soon.

Clayton
W4KVW
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K5WOB on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
W was the greatest president ever. Wait? He's still in office?

--a Texan
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W3LK on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
You mean The Messiah's not president yet? You'd never know it from NBC and CNN.

73,

Lon - W3LK
Naugatuck, Connecticut
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N5YPJ on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I refused that my ham activities become "militarized" by our community leaders in their knee jerk response to 9/11 and get on the DHS wagon. I most certainly won't start doing so now. Hams have been filling the communications gaps created by emergencies for as long as there have been hams, why the need now to regiment us? Our club has been being spoon fed this malarkey now for several years but hopefully the winds of change are starting to blow and we can get back to some meetings like we used to have where we all enjoyed each other's company and didn't have to listen to all the gloom and doom crap.

Give us America back - repeal DHS.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WA1RNE on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Please navigate to this page, put in as much personal info as you care to, and then tell the new Obama/Biden administration about Ham Radio and our capabilities. Keep it short and I would suggest, very positive.


>>> I will indeed keep it short - I don't intend to waste the man's time. This stuff is unnecessary "noise" for him and his administration - especially with the economic crisis at hand.


"For example, I mentioned that we are a cadre of over 250,000 dedicated communicators, with our own equipment and training systems in place, ready to help;

....and that all we need in return is some support in getting our antennas up, when we have to fight our local governments and homeowner's associations."


>>> As others have suggested, hams should be concentrating their efforts at the local level by joining an Emergency Management Agency and RACES group.

As for drumming up support for antenna installations in HOA run communities - forget about it. Anyone involved in DHS, FEMA, etc. with half a brain knows that hams running stations out of apartments serves no useful purpose for local EmComm, with the exception of Skywarn - and that will never be a good enough reason for the Fed's to even think for a second about passing a bill to over-ride any HOA. All Skywarn operation requires is a 2 meter handheld and maybe a small vertical for areas on the fringe of a repeater.


BTW, what happened to the other 400,000 licensed hams? What agency determines that only 250,000 are available for EmComm purposes and if there is such an agency, where do the numbers come from?


...WA1RNE
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K0ZL on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"Homeland Security like all Federal programs over the last 40 years is a joke. Put away your badges, safety vests and enjoy the hobby! "

Lindy, I have not worn a vest in 30 years.

My first experience with ham radio emergency communications was after the Big Thompson flood in Colorado in 1976. That one killed 144 people, including a State Patrolman who was attempting to evacuate the canyon residents and visitors. We had to wear vests to keep from getting run over by all the emergency and rescue equipment.

Later, when they had a big rebuilding project, we helped the Colorado National Guard with comms because their radios would not work in the canyon. I had to wear a vest there to keep from getting crushed by the heavy equipment.

I find your cavalier response both sad and unsettling. Sad, because you are not aware of one of our major "reasons for being", that of public service. Unsettling because I have heard your response from so many hams.

We are in for some very rough times. A biological or radiological terrorist attack on U.S. soil in the very near future is a certainty; as is a major earthquate, perhaps in an area of the country that is not "used" to such things. The devastation and disruption from an event of such scale will be unprecedented and will require an unimaginable response from our citizenry (that's you and me, NOT the 'govmint') if we are to survive as a country and as a society. If that survival is not important to you, or if you think "it can't happen here", you have my utmost sympathy.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KI4CRA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
This hobby of ours is called the Amateur Radio Service. I for one do NOT want more government involvement in our hobby. Having said that, I will when the need arises assist our local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies when needed. You all can too, its not hard, just use what the man upstairs has given us, that is our eyes and ears. If you have a regular route you travel, weather going to and from the store, work, school, etc. if you see something out of the ordinary, a car where it shouldn't be, a suspicious package, might not be a bad idea to report it. It may just turn out to be harmless, then again, you never know.


Having spent 22+ years in law enforcement, its all about being observant. You need to use your eyes, ears a nose, it that simple. True, I am not the same physically as I used to be, I was one of those who was overweight, never, never had the hygiene issue, but lost the weight, still don't have the hygiene issue, but my legs and back are a wreck, having been injured in a prison riot, but I can still help. Help I will, where I can, when I can. Yes I am one of those dreaded storm spotters, belong to Skywarn, but I don't have flashing lights on my truck, my badge is put away until needed. I don't, push the whole EmmComm scene on anyone who will listen, it doesn't work that way, at least not with me or the group I am associated with. Our ARES group is suffering, we need people, we ask for volunteers, we don't just say you, you, and you are now with ARES, I wish we could get some new folks involved in ARES, we here in south Florida, need all the help we can get.

I don't for a minute think that I would be useful out in the field, those days are long gone. I am however useful in different areas, having been in law enforcement, having had the NIMS/ICS training, having friends within the local sheriffs dept. kind of puts me in a unique position. After the elections last month, we here in our small county have a new sheriff, who would like to have a better understanding of what we as hams n general do, but also would like to have a small group to help out with some of the situations where it keeps the deputy on the road, but yet if there is a situation, some of us local hams can assist.


I guess I've rambled on long enough, just use common sense, if it doesn't look right, it probably isn't. I think for the most part, the ARES/RACES/EmmComm groups are looking for some equal time. There are those however that are out there purely to feed their bloated egos, thinking that they are the best OP on the planet, and truth be told there's unfortunately a large number of these folks and yes when there is an emergency/disaster and word gets out it does reflect mostly good on our hobby and it does secure us the frequency allocations for a time until the next emergency/disaster. Stay frosty guys, keep the peace and God Bless.


73 de Mark
AI4HO
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by NA0AA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Cadre implies that we are organized and have a common goal - heck you can't even get 5 hams on a band without one of them QRM'ing one of the other 4 when he tunes up!

I'm a local RACES member - they issued us patches for a white shirt but I don't think I've ever seen one being worn. Since our disasters are of two basic sorts, localized floods every few years or major earthquake disasters, we don't get a lot of field time that we don't make up ourselves.

That means we do a lot of public service events - we provide comms for bike rides, foot races, Triathalon's and the like to keep our skills honed. I'm pretty sure I could not find a light bar in any care in our group and if anyone has a badge, they would be teased without mercy...

Homeland security? You mean " 'looking for them Fokers?"

I find the idea the we could mobilize a large number of Amateurs in a very short time [24 hours]laughable. That is not our job.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WW5AA on December 4, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"I find your cavalier response both sad and unsettling. Sad, because you are not aware of one of our major "reasons for being", that of public service. Unsettling because I have heard your response from so many hams".

I served in the US Air Force (active duty) from 1962-1969, four years in SE Asia.
I served with the Los Angeles Police Dept. from 1969-1989 and the US Air Force Reserve from 1969-1982.
I served as a Deputy Sheriff from 1991-1996.
I served with the UN Police Mission to Bosnia and East Timor Island 1997-1998
I now serve as a State Officer that deals with Home Land Security.

During most of my time overseas I volunteered to pass written traffic and completed phone patches. I was a net control for Katrina, Rita and Gustov.

“Regardless of how you voted this November, please take some time to let your feelings be known about the role that Amateur Radio should take in Homeland Security and emergency preparedness on a national level“.

It is being done every day and has been done every day for a very long time. You see there are many hams at the federal, state and local level as a matter of occupation. Many of these are involved in IT, communications, law enforcement and emergency preparedness at every level. Those that I speak with will say the same thing, “Put your badge and vest in a safe place, take care of your family, friends then others that need assistance. Work with your local OEM. OK, get out the badge and vest for that public service event if you will.

“If that survival is not important to you, or if you think "it can't happen here", you have my utmost sympathy“.

Thank you for your concern however “survival” has been important all of my adult life and I have some knowledge of “what can happen”.

73 de Lindy




 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by WA2DTW on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
We should all take a breather, step back, and think about how with nothing but his knowledge of code, a KX1 (or something simpler), a couple of batteries and a piece of wire, an amateur radio operator can save our entire civilizaton and the world as we know it.

73
Steve WA2DTW
 
Interoperability of Communications  
by KE5QDA on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Who better than an experienced ham operator to help the new government solve the problem of interoperability???

Any takers????

Just volunteer and the previous link.
 
RE: Interoperability of Communications  
by N7WR on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
There is clearly a role for amateurs to provide emergency communications assistance. BUT, if DHS needs amateur radio assistance we are all in a whole lot of trouble. Amateurs wanting to be of service would do better to find ways of assisting the general public with their communications needs (the public won't have communications of any sort in a major incident). Support for the federal government is best left to professionals who, thanks to Homeland Security grants, have effective and redundant communications systems at their disposal.
 
Refusing to learn the lesson.  
by AI2IA on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
If we could only see the real cost in tax payer dollars versus the real accomplishments of Homeland Security, and the real cost in tax payer dollars versus the accomplishments of FEMA! What a shock it would be!

People still hold it almost as a religious truth that government can solve problems.

When any good is done it is done at the expense of those who do it, never as the result of government funding.

Want to ruin anything? Throw taxpayer money at it and let "government" control it.

Wake up, dummies!
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N8NSN on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Here are just a few responses I had to comment on. I realize I will stray a bit off topic toward the OP just as the posts I am replying to have done. The general naivety, among so many, is more frustrating than the actual thoughts of such "evil times" we are encroaching on.
.......................................................
.......................................................

>>>Lastly, the one thing we all have to remember (contrary to popular belief), is the fact amateur radio is not a first responder, or even the second. While the HLS hailed us for our efforts, we were never 'called up' to fight the battle. What we did was a result of individual efforts, and not because of any leadership from above.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com<<<

.......................................................
Well said Alan. Do amateurs really think our little slivers of the spectrum are "needed" in the event that traditional communication methods fail? Really? This would be similar to the concept that Earth is the center of the universe and only the laws of physics which apply, here on Earth, are needed to understand the entire universe. I am certain that the Government(s) communications people are very well aware of what an EMP situation would do to traditional commX. Surely "they" have plenty of old EMP proof gear stored somewhere and ready for deployment in the need of such.
......................................................
......................................................

>>>Folks, you better start thinking about serving your family and friends. The Globalists are here to make us all united and if that means a little terrorist black mail, be prepared. As “POGO” once said, “We have met the enemy and he is us”.

73 de Lindy<<<

.......................................................
OOOOOK, keep your powder dry. Grow a garden (even if the chem trails are poisoning the food). False flag events? We are living in the age of created hysteria. Hate is a powerful weapon. Hatred can also occupy and consume a wide portion of a persons thoughts if implemented strategically. Hatred can be taught to be focused upon other groups and kept from being focused on "our elected saviors". I think of WWII and Hitler's methods of promoting hate to keep the his followers eyes off of "his" over all agenda. Sinister plans take many many years to carry out if the over all outcome is not wanted to be understood by the mass populous. None the less, people will eventually have to focus their concerns on ever increasingly shrinking groups (like the family unit). Globalism is the death of a species. blah blah blah... True stuff Lindy but, No one is listening for some reason. "Their" plans to squelch out any resistance to their desires are working quite well. Do you ever wonder if their are chemical compounds in those chem trails that have everyone some how passive? Watch the movie titled, "Serenity". Perhaps there is something in our air or water to keep us all calm in the current age of crisis after crisis after crisis. <big shoulder shrug here>
.......................................................
.......................................................

>>>Somewhere there is a balance between public service using amateur frequencies and resources, and the hobby aspects of a good DX contest or a 40 meter ragchew. As people interested in preserving the precious spectrum we do have, it's up to us to find that balance. This, imo, is the incumbent issue we face in the "use it or lose it" question.

73 de Neil
K9CTB <<<

.......................................................
Could not agree more. What slivers in the spectrum we do have are quite insignificant in the big picture. We are only allowed to occupy them as a privilege... Not a right in today's standards. Get over the thought of, "We have a right..." Things are just not that way anymore if they even ever really were.
.......................................................
.......................................................

>>>We are in for some very rough times. A biological or radiological terrorist attack on U.S. soil in the very near future is a certainty; as is a major earthquate, perhaps in an area of the country that is not "used" to such things. The devastation and disruption from an event of such scale will be unprecedented and will require an unimaginable response from our citizenry (that's you and me, NOT the 'govmint') if we are to survive as a country and as a society. If that survival is not important to you, or if you think "it can't happen here", you have my utmost sympathy.

K0ZL<<<

.......................................................
It is very peculiar to me how the media releases information on things like "terrorist attacks" eminent danger and the like just before the events actually happen. Isn't that enough to wreak of suspicion? Then it is said the information was accumulated by intelligence sources... OK, that is such a lie. 9/11? OK City? the 1968 race riots? Pearl Harbor... According to indicators there were plenty of "intelligence" issues in regard to all past and present events. I believe we are being duped! So many things are "made to happen" to "rally support" for an agenda the masses have no idea of. Bill, are you one of those people that subscribe to the concept that FEMA is building all the internment camps and buying all those old automotive transport railroad cars to herd people up and place them in the camps if they refuse the mandated "anti-whatever" shots? What good are any communications, among the common citizens, going to do in an event so heinous? I mean, what are we going to do? What will radio do to prevent any of it? Will we get a few seconds on the radio when "they" kick in our doors to inoculate or kill our families to scream into the microphone, "My God! They are here and there is nothing I can do about it..."??? Yea, Yea, I know it could come to that. If it all did come to that; I would think what ever few seconds or minutes a person had left would be better spent telling your loved ones how much you appreciate them. Aside from any of that; Think more on the lines of how to get into a survival mode. Pack absolutely needed things like string and a knife and study on how to live in the forest or a convenient cave. Read books on what is safe to eat in the wild etc. Ta hell with figuring out how to pack a radio and enough remote power to send out a message that most likely will NOT be heard by anyone who could help anything.

 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W9OY on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
HEAR HEAR and always save the last bullet for yourself

Sheesh

73 W9OY
 
RE: Refusing to learn the lesson.  
by KD7YVV on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well, if one reads the original amateur code,
one will see that an amateur is balanced.

No one feeds me, no one wipes my butt, and no one
pays my bills. Who does? I do. Who comes first?
I do. Then my family. I don't mind helping out at
public service events. One of my favorites is the
Special People's Christmas Cruise.

I keep my skills up as a communicator by checking into
a traffic net almost daily.

I became a ham after the Nisqually earthquake.
Here in Washington, we not only have to worry about
those, but windstorms, flooding, and volcanic eruptions. Also, on the coast, tsunamis.

If a cop is sitting in a car watching for a road to
flood, a ham with the proper training can watch the
road, parked on the side, out of harms way.

ARES can help during a crisis by doing what the
city or agency they're serving asks of them.
There are people in ARES/RACES who do help in many
kinds of situations and you never hear about it.

They pass traffic when they can, even in this day of
cellphone and instant communications.
I'm all for training, and working with the city
I serve gives me the opportunity to give back to my
own community. Is ARES and ham radio the ones who
will save the day? Of course not, but properly
trained, hams CAN serve there communities in times
of emergency or disaster.

On the other side of the coin:

Then you have those who want to outfit their car
to look like an official emergency vehicle complete
with lightbar, junior G-Man badge etc. etc.
They have a save the world attitude and believe
they can tell other non-ham citizens what to do.
They act like a cop, talk like a cop, believe they
have the same authority as a cop, when in reality
they don't.
It's a shame really, perhaps they failed the police
academy or something. Maybe they have some sort of
inferiority complex. I don't know.
Don't want to know either.

A reflective safety vest I can understand.
Here in Washington at our high northern latitude,
it does get dark early in the winter.
For visibility, a safety vest can be of value.

The badges? Unless you're a law enforcement officer,
or a fire official, or someone who is authorized to
carry a badge, as a ham operator part of ARES, one
thing that should never ever be on your person is
a badge. I don't care if the badge just says ARES
on it. It can easily be mistaken for something
it's not and impersonation of a police officer is
not taken lightly in these post 9/11 days.

As far as hams being too old, or too fat as posted
earlier. For those who are young, your time will
come when you too are "too old" or "too fat".
Even us old and fat hams (mmmmm good cookin'!) can
be of use. We're not dead yet. :)

Ham radio is a hobby, and for me, it will always be
a hobby. I let the cops and fire people handle
the emergencies. That's what my taxes pay for.
If I can help at a marathon or other event, that's
fine with me. If I come upon an accident and can
help, that's what the first aid/cpr training is for.
It never hurts to be prepared.

--KD7YVV, Kirkland, WA

 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K4MC on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
From the view in central Florida of the petty politics in ham radio, Amature radio is not ready to be involved in the real prime political arena that exists local or in Washington and at the national level. How can we have any creditably when this is how our ARES organizations “function”. Below is a clip I posted in E-Ham in October 2008 concerning ham radio clubs:.


“I live and work in the central Florida and belonged to a club that was ARES, an active service related club.

Long story short, a board member from the local socially oriented club joined, then, while attending his first meeting, conducted a coup, using some unwelcome COY tactices with the help of a state level ARES member. He attempted to seize ownership of the county owned repeaters, frequency coordination and control of the organization.

After much anguish, all the members formed a new organization, non-ARES affiliated, with the support of the county, who was also able to retain possession of their equipment.

After some time, we were able to regain our frequency coordination and we still support the county EOC.

The member we had initially welcomed with open arms was left with an ARES affiliated club of one, no dedicated equipment, and no new coordinated repeater frequencies.

We lost a lot of the good will we felt toward the other club and in having to fight for our survival, our service to our community suffered during the turmoil (which was at the start of a hurricane
season).”



After rereading my own words, maybe I was wrong. It sounds like politics at the National level. If one has something of value that someone bigger or higher up with more juice, wants, they’ll use their power seize it. …………………………… Maybe we’ll fit right in!

Be careful of what you ask for. You just may get it!
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KD7YVV on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
That's sad, sorry to hear about that situation in
Florida. For me, there's no I in team.
How can he seize control of equipment that doesn't
belong to him? That doesn't make sense to me.
Isn't ARES supposed to have a MOU with the agencies they
are supposed to be serving?

--KD7YVV, Kirkland, WA

 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W1RKW on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
nothing wrong with volunteering your services and expertise. If there were more volunteers willing to do whatever for nothing we'd be better off given the current circumstances. Unfortunately, there are many who cannot volunteer due to other obligations. If you can then I say go for it and with radio as hobby, put it to use for the good of everyone.
 
MY BIG TOE HURTS  
by PLANKEYE on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Can I be silly without digressing and upsetting for a moment please?

I had a dream last night we had a Tornado.

I survived and was laying in a ditch calling for help.

I looked up and saw Ray Mullins in a cape floating down above me.

Last thing I remember before waking up, is him screaming at me.

You stupid Vulgar creep, Gutless Gadfly, then I woke up.

My big Toe was just a throbbin like no tomorrow.




Keep the pins out the Coax fellers!


PLANKEYE

 
RE: MY BIG TOE HURTS  
by W7ETA on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I'd do as you suggest Bill, but I don't have any idea what information about ham radio HLS would find beneficial.

73
Bob
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by OLDEPHARTE on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I am in full agreement with those who don't want the government involved with ham radio. We don't need federal money and have the government tell us what and how to do. The FCC rules and regs is enough for us hams to live by. We don't need to be under the government's thumb like Fannie and Freddie, AIG, the Big Three and the financial institutions that were forced to sell preferred stock to the US Treasury only to be subject to the Fed's whim. Citigroup is now forced to limit dividends to the Treasury's pre-determined amount which is very miniscule.

Go ahead and bring governmental attention to ham radio. The government will have us out from under the FCC's jurisdiction and under the Homeland Security Department in no time flat. What's next? Compulsary community service? When that happens, I turn in my ticket for cancellation.

Wake up, people. It's a very bad idea.

73,
OLDEPHARTE

 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W4CNG on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Don't mix after the next few weeks. The idiot's coming in haven't got a clue as to what WE are already doing in the communications arena, much less have a clue as to what is going to happen in the next 2 years. All I can say is "Get Prepared". ID Check to work at a Red Cross Shelter, that will be the least of our worries. Background Checks with a "Civillian Malitia" better armed than the Armed Services, that is another story. Do you have a couple pair of Motorola Astro Saber III's that you can give to your family members with DEX-XP Secure Keys loaded so you can really communicate between yourselves, for get Cell Phones, they have the CDR's for all of them...

Food for Thought
Steve W4CNG
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W4CNG on December 5, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Some fill in the blanks for most of you. CDR's are Call Detail Records for Cell Phone traffic. They contain who called whom, when, where and how long and on which cell sites. No real info as to what was said, but did you call 911 from the trunk of a car while being held captive. The details show where the car was when the call was made, and where it traveled while the call was in progress. Also the current In-Car System from On-Star will show who, where, and when, even being "Pinged" from the system to just show location remotely. Yes Big Brother can "Ping" Your On-Star System just to see where you are and you will never know it happend. Several High Risk "Encounters" have been closed using this method.

Do I trust "Homeland Security", mostly, but not 100%. Try Not, Do or Do Not, The Fed's just Try, and less than 100% is not good enough for me. I prepare for the less than 100% factor.

Good Luck
Steve W4CNG
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by QRZDXR2 on December 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Be very careful what you wish for... it might come true. Like a cop... they are not your friend. They are there to regulate and control you and get you to submitt to their laws. (sounds almost communistic doesn't it)

Most of the time they take from the poor and give to the rich with a occasional buy out (ops I mean political conturbutions) from their buddies for a few dollars compensation.

If homeland security was really interested in protecting the country... they would be asking for people to show up at the rifle ranges and teaching them how to shoot.

ham radio is for kids... of all ages.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W3DBB on December 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
All politics is local. Between ARRL's incessant promotion of usurping ARS spectrum to provide EMCOMM for government agencies and the decision of the local RACES leadership to use membership in that organization as a wedge, I am opposed to any sort of EMCOMM organization that facilitates the use of taxpayer money for the purchase of amateur radio equipment for use by amateur radio operators to provide communications for government agencies. When keystroking of that curious relic of the Cold War, 47CFR97.407, becomes the subject of a rulemaking proceeding I will be among those studying the issue and submitting formal comments. I don't see any harm in PRB-1. I am opposed to Federal intervention in contracts between private parties. No one is forcing anyone to live in a neighborhood governed by an HOA.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N6JSX on December 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
The problem I've seen over and over and over again with EMA now HLS leaders that appoint HAM RACES/AREA/CERT leaders is their EGO's!

Some of the EMA/HSL leaders will get their HAM licenses becoming overnight communications experts. We neophyte +20yrs HAM volunteers (engineers) need to remember we may NEVER suggest improvements or be critical of an exercise/alert - this is often interpreted as a challenge to the government salaried leadership positions. Hence, the wrath of the slighted local government will descend upon you - swiftly bouncing you out and away from EMA/HLS with an effort to minimize your effectiveness/suggestions by undercutting your knowledge/reputation behind the scenes forever closing other volunteer doors. (much like ARRL HQ $taff does to critical thinkers that go public)

HAMs that get appointed to subordinate EMA/HLS leadership positions (often lifetime appointments) are tasked to overseeing the willing keeping them in lockstep. Soon you will discover these HAM leaders will protect their dominance/appointment at all costs interpreting suggestions as a threat to their vanity/appointment. HAM leaders start out with good intentions but seem to fall into the vanity pit of self indulgence/importance. You must learn to fan their EGO's or you will be driven out and away!

HAM Volunteers and others that desire to give and help their fellow citizens may do so but only if they remain a muted dedicated Stepford worker never questioning "THEE" leaders or their method/plan/execution/logic!

Cynical observations, yes.... but factual! I've observed this from Los Angeles to Wisconsin to Ohio to Iowa to Indiana. Within EMA/HLS, Fire, ARRL, RACES/DCS, ARES, SkyWarn.... Thou shall not question only do!
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by NN4RH on December 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I guess I don't understand what is so wrong with hams working with the many existing organizations they already work with - especially those on a local level where they're really needed in a disaster.

Why is it necessary for ham radio to get bogged down and constrained by becoming a branch of a federal beaurocracy? Just so a handful of prima donnas can get flashy-looking ID badges and pretend they're national heros?


It's called AMATEUR radio for a reason.


Maybe there is a hint in the opening post of what this is really about - the implication that DHS could protect hams from HOA restrictions in the interest of homeland security.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KC8YHN on December 6, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I am looking at this a bit differently – realistically.

These two guys have been senators for a long time and they both knew what was going on in the DHS as they have with other departments. They could have changed a lot of things while in the senate and I think much of the Change philosophy is nothing more than rhetoric to keep the momentum up.

The real issue I have and many of you should have is there won’t be much change because there is an entrenched culture in these departments that seems to continue through countless administrations. Just look at the DOJ and the 'leaks' that took place. The president can’t wave a magic wand and we instantly have inclusion, it is still politics that drives these changes behind the scenes.

 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by QRZDXR2 on December 7, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
nothing embarasses me more than when I see one of these goobers driving around in his urban command post and wearing something that is supposed to look official....provided that the sizes come in at least a XXXL. I say that we let them do what they want, and if it helps to keep us allocated with band space that we desire, then God bless 'em.


Brad
K9MHZ
----------------------------------------------------

Their you go again Brad speaking from your second set of lower lips below the beltline.

you do your part in a emergency. The words run, duck and hide seem to come to mind.

Least them XXXL guys are out trying.. but knowing how your so self centered and biased towards anyone who doesn't fit your idea... you start with the Innuendoes. Then you go run and hide and think its a big joke-- trol. Changeing call signs and go run and hide makes you one of the big boys now...does it?? You have a lot to learn.

You know I would be very careful about pointing fingers at the XXXL guys... and then laugh at them. You might just find they will make you into a hitching post planted nose first with your brains dangling exposed in the air for all to play with. I heard tonight that some of the ones you worked with think your a bastard because your so self centered. (You apparently have done this before and they didn't like you)

Some of these guys give 110% Taking note from what you wrote you don't seem to do more than sit back behind the keyborad and laugh at them for the effort and fortitude they put forth. (where is yours?) your in fact the real goober here. You just dropped your rating from good to poor in my book when you start attacking them or anyone else for trying and/or at least offering to help. Where do you get off saying that they embarass you.. your not out their. Your the one by your own admissions stating that you find them, and what they are trying to do, embarassing. I wonder why you think we should find your sick mind amusing. They have a word for people like you.

And then asking God to bless them... right afte you say their are a embarassment XXXL and all. Funny-- I think your a embarassment to ham radio and all it stands for Jr. Clearly your immature way of thinking.

Speaking of which, exactly what is it you have done? I'll bet when a emergency comes up your the first one to run home to mama-- abandoning everyone else to fend for themselves. Ahhh the real ham public service sprit no doubt your showing. Yet these XXXL people are carrying your weight so you can plan on the ham bands. I'll take the XXXL people over you kid anyday if that be your attitude. They don't embarrass me. I respect the're efforts and willingness to Unselfishly try to help the less fortunate first, unlike you and your narrow minded belittlement of them

I can't imagine a narrow headed, know it all youngerster, like you (looking at the FCC web site at your licenses and dates) could be such a experianced or accomplished operator. Why don't you show us all what exactly your accomplishments are, all that traffic and EOS orginization experiance you say you are a expert at. I have never seen your name mentioned on any resource list. Please expand on your accomplishments and honors you have gotten for such service. We're waiting... you are the embarassment here Brad.

Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to condem the XXXL boys who just might have more experiance than you. Mabye they will think YOUR the one that is the goober here. (its interesting how you jump to the conclusion that they are a embarassment to you (typical for you--but by what standards do you think they should be?) You write- These people are an embarassment--do you consider them all to be a lower class and you want them shun'd.

Kinda funny that you think they are the embarassment here. Me thinks your in need of some professional help Brad. What you wrote is SICK and SPITEFUL. And then to make fun of them by calling GOD to help them--just really makes me want to reach out and pat you on the back.(wink wink)

K9MHZ
Bradley J Knapp (42 years old)
How come this is your parents address?
13240 Bobwhite Ln
Carmel IN 46033-8959
USA

I'd be very careful if I were you... that one of them XXXL boys just might take offense to your way of thinking and want to enlighten you. How embarassing that would be to your wife and mangloids. Remember people who live leaching off their parents or can't hold a job shouldn't thow stones. I would think you would find that to be embarassing-- you being a ham and all-- it gives ham radio operators a bad word. (leach)

I think you owe them XXXL gals and guys a appology-- They didn't deserve that body slam you threw A lot of those people are good honest hard working sensitive feeling people that you just slandered. (you probably can chalk up some more you drove away idiot!!!.) I'll bet you think its great to get a welfare check so as to take care of yours-- that came out of some hard working XXXL's paycheck--you're despicable

No now that I think about it even more you are a conseated little self centered F----- that I don't care to talk to after you made that comment.

YOU GIVE HAM RADIO A BLACK EYE FROM THAT XXXL PART YOU WROTE ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE. (and they should take offense at your Childish and narrow minded thinking.) WHAT YOU GOING TO PICK ON THE HANDICAPPED NEXT FOR BEING WHEELCHAIR BOUND BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM? OR MAKE FUN OF THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SPEACH IMPEDIMENT? YOU ARE MORE THAN A BIG GOOBER

KNOW YE FOR HOW YE THINK ABOUT OTHERS.

Go away little man your pants are begining to smell and dragging from that load you left again. nothing embarasses me more than when I read more of your-- better than thou tripe and tolling-- to try and be one of the boys.

Ya you owe them a big appology for your comments you biased GOOBER



Brad I hope you grow up this next year and quit offending people. (I know you can't understand this) Only then will you achieve your goals of being liked by others. Its not what one has for a callsign but rather what one does with it-- that others measure you by.

you owe them XXXL guys a big appology for your conceitedness and verbiage--puny mind.

As we leave Brad to ponder bigger issues such as how he got lint in his bellybutton--- or why his nose doesn't smell but his feet do--- clearly this year again he gets a lump of coal. (smile)


Merry Christmas everyone else from me and mine to you and yours
DXR2
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N4OI on December 7, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
This suggestion to offer amateur radio services to a branch of the national defense is not without precedent. Here is a report of a similar offer by the ARRL from its very first issue of QST in December 1915 -- 93 years ago! They highlight one point that it is not enough to have the capability to act; services must be exercised regularly to be of any use during an emergency.

http://p1k.arrl.org/cgi-bin/topdf.cgi?id=1408&pub=qst

Oh, if you are not currently a member of the ARRL, our only effective lobbying voice in Washington (get the hint), you may not be able to view the document.

73 de Ken - N4OI


 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K1CJS on December 7, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Agreed--services must be exercised regularly to be of any use during an emergency, but for some of these wannabees, the exercizes are weekly affairs that almost approach religious zeal in their strict 'you must participate often' mantra. Not even mentioning that the 'constant practice' silliness started in the top of the so called command structure continues in the ranks.

A once a month minor exercise is all that is really needed--and then of course the yearly or twice a year major exercise, such as field day or participation at a local civic affair.

The lengths some of these emcomm people go to is really ludicrous.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KB3RKJ on December 7, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
When a real emergency happens, like a war, they are going to tell ham radio operators to get off the air and stay off. That is exactly what happened during World War 2.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by QRZDXR2 on December 7, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
When a real emergency happens, like a war, they are going to tell ham radio operators to get off the air and stay off. That is exactly what happened during World War 2.

------------------------------------------------------

That won't be all. Stop driving, Flying, Boating, Fishing, RV etc etc.. About the only thing you would be able to do is make a victory garden and turn in your firearms.

Of course what we knew as war is not going to probably ever happen again. It will be different with the velvet glove treatment this time. They learned how to hurt you the worst.. in the pocketbook. People will turn in their grandmother if it means they have a life they are used too.

No the real emergency is not war but, natural events. I speculate that when it does happen hams will be swamped and not be able to keep up. Like so many so called "systems" that used ham radio for testing...you get promasses promasses but, once the exercise is over, soon forgotten and the voices of change and recommendations is all but snuffed out with the words.. no money... besides we don't need you now.

Then when its is needed for real you always hear, " why didn't someone do something..." confusion and discourse then takes over. (Even the almighty ARRL has no real set battle plan for a State wide or national emergency.

Calif just went though one and it was a disaster. Listening on the bands we had people running up and down asking if they were who they should direct too.
(no management or directions) new book 39.95 soon to be for members only? Nice orginization their ARRL as usual. WHY? They seem to promote contest instead like its a big free for all.

Then when you also have people that don't do anything laughing at the ones that are trying... such as our friend who enjoyed picking on the XXXL people.. no wonder when you need them they are not their. I would tell 'em to go jump in a lake too. (I am still smarting about this sweetheart making fun of the handicapped or as he said XXXL people in toy suits.) I don't know where he gets off thinking he is better than them. (then again its his mind set) That is not what ham radio is all about folks. We need every...ONE. I am sorry to say some people appear to have a personal attitude problem that drives good natured people away. This is the land they live in.

Use the old boy scout motto..(are they stil around? did the gays cause them to disband?)

BE PREPAIRED... and the army... BE ALL YOU CAN BE is all one can ask for.

If war or another invasion of our homelands takes place place.. you will need a good gun with bullets to join the other min men .. to which I suggest you also join the politically incorrect anti socialist NRA and lean how to shoot... you may have too. Its either that or get in line to see what form of welfare/ ditch digging grave site jobs they will be handing out after they take over.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KO4NX on December 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
KC1CJS said "NO! We're here to lend a hand and volunteer our services when necessary. WHEN NECESSARY! We're not here to become a permanent and regular communications adjunct to agencies and services--most of whom obviously don't want our help in the first place. We're not here to become an official communication service. If those select few keep pushing the emcomm facet of ham radio and deny the fact that ham radio is first and foremost a hobby service, the only ones left will be the wanna-bees of the emcomm croud--the rest of us will be forced out. "

I totally agree with this K1CJS’s statement above, and I think the government shares this view as well. Case in point, I recently completed a pretty large system installation which coincidentally occupied the same space as the local governments communications equipment. One of the pieces installed in this space (not part of our system) was a brand new Motorola Repeater which was set-up for amateur service. On it’s face, this looked like a great gesture, but after talking with the government staff responsible, it was done to keep the local hams out of their hair.

The folks who were in charge of government communications for facility in question were all hams, and as a matter of fact, an amateur radio license was a pre-requisite to the job. That being said this is what they told me point blank:

We are not interested in utilizing the type of people that emcomm typically (I said TYPICALLY!) attracts. We find they almost always cause more harm, than good, but in an effort to appease them, we installed this repeater for them to use. “The great thing is this keeps them happy, and should an emergency actually happen we can return this repeater to government service in a matter of minutes.”

I find these to be pretty damning comments, especially considering all of these guys are licensed active hams. Maybe it’s time to invest some resources into our public image, and then take another stab at this whole emcomm thing????


73


Rich, AJ3G
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N7EDK on December 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Homeland security is one of the biggest jokes that came out of the bush years.It should be done away with,its made a joke of our airports,etc.Hams need not get involved in that disaster dept.,enjoy the hobby for what it is.Remember the little man with the funny little black square under his nose,and his homeland security in Germany??We don't need it folks,I know I don't!
 
EARNEST TEE BASS  
by PLANKEYE on December 8, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
THIS IS RICH UP ABOVE:

The folks who were in charge of government communications for facility in question were all hams, and as a matter of fact, an amateur radio license was a pre-requisite to the job. That being said this is what they told me point blank:

We are not interested in utilizing the type of people that emcomm typically (I said TYPICALLY!) attracts. We find they almost always cause more harm, than good, but in an effort to appease them, we installed this repeater for them to use. “The great thing is this keeps them happy, and should an emergency actually happen we can return this repeater to government service in a matter of minutes.”

_________________________________________________

PLANKEYE:

This is just part of what he wrote, the rest is up above in his whole Post.

Any of you guys watch The Andy Griffith Show?

Some of you guys remind me of Barney, and alot of you remind me of Warren. Remember him, he was after Barney?

Between this website and actual on air stuff, you guys are really almost as funny as the The Andy Griffith Show.

I mean if you don't believe it, lets review some recent posts.

And you guys are seriously talking Homeland Security and Ham Radio?

You beat everything, you know that?



PLANKEYE

 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KL7AJ on December 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
What seems to be absent in this discussion is the most dire threat to our hobby....no young hams! Let me preface the following with this...I am currently an active member of Navy MARS. I was Alaska State Mars Director for Air Force Mars during the latter part of the 1980s to the mid 1990s. I am a member of Races and Ares. I even made BPL a few times. (that's Brass Pounders League....not Broadband over Power Lines!)
Needless to say, I am well versed in emergency communications, and keep a well-maintained station, that can be pressed into service at any time. I am not anti-preparedness.

That being said, I will make this unequivocal statement:

I have never met a ham under the age of 30 who gives a rat's patoot about EMCOMM! Period. EMCOMM is NOT going to bring young blood into the hobby.....PERIOD. The best and brightest of our young people aren't looking for another JOB...they already have one...or several. They want something FUN and CREATIVE.....the antithesis of EMCOMM as it's currently being hyped.

Yes...as you become an old pharte like me, the sense of responsibility and "duty" becomes a little more significant. But this isn't what's going to get kids into the hobby in the first place. And it certainly isn't going to KEEP them in the hobby long enough to BECOME Olde Phartes.

Our best spectrum defense is a new generation of radio amateurs who are there by choice, not coercion.

Eric

 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N7YA on December 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Well said, Eric.

DXing is the thing that piqued my interest in the early 80's, its one of the first images of ham radio people get, a ham with headphones on, hunkered down over a lit up rig trying to pull in a crackling, fading signal from some far away exotic land....

And the other image is the EMCOMM nerd. Barely able to lift his 400 lb frame in and out of his 1985 AMC Gremlin. Big moustache, big glasses, smells bad, orange reflector vest, 12 HT's strapped to various places of his huge body, a mesh trucker hat with his call ironed on in big, balloon letters...not to mention the car looks like a chia pet.

I used to do EMCOMM in Alaska back in the early to mid 80's as well, most of these guys werent motivated to do much more than find the coffee and doughnuts...STAT! They took 15 minutes to "get themselves ready" (slowly put on the vest, fiddle around with one or more HT's, basically try to look important), then saunter up to a command table and hover right over someones shoulder, breathing heavy and sweating. We would just have them work the door or something, keep the coffee flowing, etc. Not exactly ready to face every contingency.

DXers arent without rough edges either. But there is no comparison. Obviously, not every ham fits the above description, but if one does...they usually end up in EMCOMM in some capacity.

Either way, if you are a tech-minded kid looking for an outlet, you have many choices...ham radio is just one of them. Imagine showing an interest...you went to a website or read a book and saw all the tech jargon and thought, "this is cool", then ended up going to a club meeting or event and seeing a bunch of guys as described above, or listening to 75 at night, or any repeater...the kid will deduct immediately that we are out of date, out of touch and overall archaic. Not to mention unhealthy both physically and, most likely, mentally as well. They move on to robotics, computer science, etc...there goes our chance to impress. Oh well, were arrogant and self centered anyway...if you didnt go through what WE went through then YOU ARENT WELCOME!! Hate to say it, but they dont care. We are very muck akin to Golum from the Lord of the Rings.

Grumpy old guys and fat stinky nerds do NOT attract young people in droves. That is the most vocal and predominant demographic in our hobby. All the friendly, interactive, positive and showered hams in our community are just happy being hams and being into the various things we are into in our hobby...but we are a vocal minority.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by QRZDXR2 on December 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
by N7YA on December 9, 2008
Well said, Eric.



And the other image is the EMCOMM nerd. Barely able to lift his 400 lb frame in and out of his 1985 AMC Gremlin. Big moustache, big glasses, smells bad, orange reflector vest, 12 HT's strapped to various places of his huge body, a mesh trucker hat with his call ironed on in big, balloon letters...not to mention the car looks like a chia pet.



Either way, if you are a tech-minded kid looking for an outlet, you have many choices...ham radio is just one of them. Imagine showing an interest...you went to a website or read a book and saw all the tech jargon and thought, "this is cool", then ended up going to a club meeting or event and seeing a bunch of guys as described above...the kid will deduct immediately that we are out of date, out of touch and overall archaic. Not to mention unhealthy both physically and, most likely, mentally as well. They move on to robotics, computer science, etc...there goes our chance to impress. Oh well, were arrogant and self centered anyway...if you didnt go through what WE went through then YOU ARENT WELCOME!! Hate to say it, but they dont care. We are very muck akin to Golum from the Lord of the Rings.

---------------------------------------------------

Geeezzz their you go again with the Innuendoes again.

I really don't understand where you guys get off thinking that your idea is the best and works every time.

---------------------------------------------------

Grumpy old guys and fat stinky nerds do NOT attract young people in droves. That is the most vocal and predominant demographic in our hobby. All the friendly, interactive, positive and showered hams in our community are just happy being hams and being into the various things we are into in our hobby...but we are a vocal minority.....then ended up going to a club meeting or event and seeing a bunch of guys as described

Oh well, were arrogant and self centered anyway...if you didnt go through what WE went through then YOU ARENT WELCOME!!

-------------------------------------------------

One thing I will agree on that you said.. you are arrogant and self centered if that is the idea of your perfict ham.

We had a little mini hitler... a 98 lb week'lin that drove the youth away from our club meetings... he thought, like you, that everyone should be a superman both physicall and activly. His statements we're ... your going to do this and that. And you don't want to end up like this guy here or their...

In the end--- he died-- from a hiper heart attack I think (most Mr Universe types do from all the steroids they took when they were younger to keep that perfict 10 look.) Of course when most of the others kinda told him to shut up and sit down he got real huffy and left saying about the same as you...wrote calling them over aged overweight self promoting radical fatties. After he left-- the youth returned to our club.

Thus, like your assumptions and discriptions of a weard ham; I would draw the conculusion that anyone who is thin and fit is conseated and biased against the real hams in the room.

With no doubt you probably ran the ham club and ecomm group the way YOU wanted it. Wonder how many others thought that you were a nutcase too.

Look if they offer to help and show up-- they are good hams in my book. (a lot more than the ones that pay lip service and then never show up- like some- huh) I don't care if they are overweight or underweight, blue, black or brown and strapped into a wheelchair. If they can do the job,I am neither biased nor discriminatory and give them the respect they earn-- unlike you!!!. And that isn’t because it politically correct either.

Good hams come in all sizes and characters. Some even think they are in hollyweard but hey sensationalism gets attention and surprise it does bring people into ham radio, even if they drive a pinto or voted for BO -

Now if Santa was a ham would you have the same opinion? (after all he is a overweight guy in a big red suite that does fit your negative biased discritption) --smile
 
COMMON SENSE  
by PLANKEYE on December 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

If you want the kids to choose to be in this Hobby, then give them a reason.

All you guys do is talk, brag, bicker, and back bite.


PLANKEYE














 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KV9U on December 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
While there have been many negative comments about the types of hams who are involved in public service (emergency communication being included in a much larger part of the amateur service), we certainly have not seen this in our area. We have older, middle aged, and younger hams involved.

From what I have seen over a span of about 50 years (became interested in electronics at age 12, but was already interested in science from about age 5), there have never been large numbers of young hams. And for all of you who complain about not having younger hams, do you teach classes and Elmer?

We see a large cross section of the population when we offer entry level classes. In the past few years, we actually have had more younger students in the 11 to 20 something ages. At the moment I have one middle aged male, but also have a teen boy and two early teen girls. Can we expect them to be really interested in technical aspects, public service, DXing, contesting, etc.? Most of them will be interested in using amateur radio for personal interest, such as communicating with family and friends. The type of individuals getting involved in ham radio for several decades are not the same as going back 50 years when it was the geek types who were quite interested in the magic of mostly HF communication. The focus today seems to be more on VHF local communication. There is a definite trend toward families getting husband, wife, and one or more kids licensed so that this can be done. Not unlike my own family where my wife and daughter have been licensed with the motivation to use radio for family use and for some other possible uses over time.

My view is that only a few new hams will ever become actively involved in the HF part of ham radio and the more technical aspects, but if a person is exposed to this early in life, there is more of a possibility that they may find this of interest later on. That is why you now have older (mostly males) who always had some interest in radio, and maybe SWLing and electronics, get licensed. They were not willing to devote the time it took during much of their adult life, but now with more time and with the drastically easier licensing of today (no CW requirements, question pool with actual questions and answers, locally administered exams), it became realistic for them to enter the hobby.

Some of those individuals may find satisfaction in public service communications. It may not be ARES or RACES types of activities, but can be Skywarn, helping with public events, or responding to just local assistance such as vehicle accidents. A few, but really a very few, may become involved with formal organizational structures such as ARRL's ARES or local government Emergency Management. The politics are often not always acceptable, but if you have a good quality of leaders, who know what they are doing, and can also listen, there can even be some success along those lines.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N7YA on December 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"Geeezzz their you go again with the Innuendoes again.

I really don't understand where you guys get off thinking that your idea is the best and works every time."

Read it all again. Also, i am not thin, im 6', 210 lbs. I am making a statement about first impressions, not about making people into superbeings...i presented no masterplan of what hams need to be, i was pointing out what strangers see when they first meet us. I couldnt tell you what body type the hams on 75m fone have, all i know is they are not the kind of folks to invite to the BBQ. The people i described are not innuendos, they are real people i have seen myself, year after year. I wasnt making it up.

My point is how we act, often times more importantly than we should...certainly more important than we are. And one gentleman brought up the subject of bringing new blood into the hobby, i pointed out some of the barriers that we should probably examine closer if we want it to change. When you say 'ham radio' to a stranger, they think "guy with headphones tuning a rig", or "fat guy with B.O. and HT, walking around, taking everything too seriously"...literally, we are the butt of jokes, or met with surprise. The only reaction i have ever gotten was polite replies like "oh, thats cool"...then they simulate a key and laughingly say "beep beepity beep", and thats the last of it. Or they picture the nerds from high schol when they were a kid...or they remember all that crap grandpa used to have in the basement that mom had to throw away when he died because noone would buy it. This is MY experience with non-hams, cant blame them.

As far as me, i only worked alongside these people, i never ran the EMCOMM, and we had skinny hitlers too...in fact, it was what made me realize that perhaps this was the wrong direction. EMCOMM in itself is a great idea! Its time has come...unfortunately, its also gone. Civil emergencies are NOT foxhunts, they are not games and they are not part of a hobby...they are people suffering, people dying and certainly something to be taken in a more somber light. The pros should handle emergencies and we should be ready to help IF they need us to. We should never...EVER...get in the way or impose our all-important presence on them.

Like i said, im a DXer first and i only have to answer to the rules of the road. I personally think the numbers are ok, and if ham radio implodes and ceases to exist, i will be that lone experimenter soldering a board and throwing a wire in the air to see whats out there to listen to, i know there will be other experimenters like me who didnt give up and walk away...im a radio operator first.

So if you are big, or indeed overweight, im not picking on you, i cant...it takes all kinds of folks, and if you are a good person, your size matters not. How we present ourselves does matter and if you act lazy and self important over a hobby, then all the little details will be picked on by people other than myself. That was the point i was trying to make.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by QRZDXR2 on December 9, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
So your now saying-- serious hams for serious emergencies. Yep I agree with that.

No offense taken here.

I also agree ham radio is a relaxed hobby at best. It at one time was a art and skill for the eleat's that could master them their little electrons mentally and physically. personal pride of hard work and achievement--- And yes I agree today they have relaxed the standards as shown by the testing which then relates to " were not as smart as we used to be in this country" (or are we) .

I think somewhere I read most people who are in ham radio and electronics get started with the first time they grab wires and shock themselves. Seems like they are hooked from then on by the writings they did.

But, back to homeland security and Ham radio-- be it we like radio but not so sure about the homeland security part.

My take on homeland secuirty comes from the orginal group you see standing with the indians. Does it take the government to tell us that we need to protect the homelands (sounds almost like the fatherlands doesn't it) I think most AMERICANS be they from north, south, east or west roll up their sleves and enjoy doing their part to sholder the wrong doing or attack-- be it nature or manmade.

The question then becomes, because we are all radio people (commucator) how can we do our part to help when its needed. Should we or do we need the num nums back under the golden dome in washington to tell us how-- to or direct us?

One thing the EU people have right. We in the US are cowboys. We have and always will fight among ourselves till the common enemy shows up. Then we magic'ly combind and without directions engage and defeat 'em.

All of this by training ourselves at best. Then when its over the political people all sit down and pat themselves on the back and give each other pay rasies for doing such a good job in leading the country out of the event without so much as a kind letter or reconigition to the ones that did. They always expect and count on the person being their to do it. After all we're americans and we love to help the government and country--ahhh..

Now you still want to be part of homeland security--- or just a ham radio operator ready to go at the drop of the hat to help in anyway you can to relieve the suffering and strife that could occur at any moment.

What training and readyness do you bring to the table?

this is what we should be teaching the youngersters. To be prepaired just like we were taught when we were younger. To improvise, achieve and overcome the road blocks of life. To at some point take over and run with the ball when we get to old or tired.

Your right its not a game... its dead serious. That is what we should be tasking the youth of today with so that in the end they are prepared (trained) to carry on and protect us as we have them and our forfathers --us.

Its not the tools you don't have. Its knowing how to use the ones you have to their fullest. Thus, the saying .. be all you can be with what you have to be it with. Is it work, you bet... but nothing in life is free like the youth of today think it is because the parents of today have allowed it to be. At some point the elders are gone... then what will the numbs do.. transfer that "tell us what to do..protect us" to the government?

Ya that works. I think history has shown lost sheep don't live too long with the wolves at bay out their waiting for the first meal.

ham radio is ... a hobby... a tool for survival... a means to protect... or a means to train...

you have to provide the answer

Merry Christmas all. 73's
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N0DIT on December 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Be careful what you ask for. When the nation ask the government to get involved in something, it usually doesn't turn out well for the askers. The government is well aware of amateur capability. Let's not wake a sleeping dragon.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KD5PDA on December 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Short and simple; lets keep it a fun and technical hobby.

73 de KD5PDA

 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N7YA on December 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
There ya go...simple as that.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by RFDANNY on December 11, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
If you really want to get the attention of your local, state or federal officials, I would suggest doing what a majority of the "Emergency Communicators" at your ham club already do:

1. Wear a bright red hat with your callsign in 2" high letters. Make sure you have at least 3 pins "flare" attached to your hat. A blinking red LED in the center of the hat is a nice touch also.

2. Attach a rubber duckie antenna to the bill of your hat with a gator clip. If you don't have a mount, you can get one at any hamfest. Run the coax neatly down the side of your body and tuck it under your red vest or windbreaker.

3. Wear a loud t-shirt that says "Radio Active", "Hams talk with their Fingers" or other appropriate cliche. Make sure that you have at least 5 or 6 more pins on your vest or t-shirt.

4. Make sure your name tag is the size of a qsl card with blinking lights and at least seventeen three and four letter abbreviations telling the world how many clubs you belong to.

5. Always have two HT's on your belt. A main and a spare. The main HT should be hooked up to your hat mounted antenna. The spare should have the longest HT antenna that you can find. Use Velcro to keep the tip from stabbing you in the arm pit.

6. Carry several belt mounted spare battery packs for your radio.

7. Clip the hand mic from the spare HT to the right side of your safety vest. Be careful not to let the wires tangle with your headset, which should be connected to the primary HT.

8. Make sure you are as out of shape as possible. This lets your customers know that you won't leave your chair during an emergency. Also, don't bother bathing or shaving either. This will make you look distinguished.

9. Always have a stack of "eyeball" cards with you filled with as many three and four letter abbreviations as possible. This is impressive.

10. Most importantly, carry a supply of Anderson Power Pole connectors around with you. Keep the crimping tool in a leather pouch on your belt next to the spare batteries. As you know, hams can not communicate in an emergency without power poles!.

I forgot to mention one thing... black shoes or loafers are the standard for EMCOMM. Be sure to wear shorts and white knee high socks with them.

Now, for your vehicle....

You can not simply show up to an incident in a standard car or van with a single radio antenna. You will not be respected.

The government agencies will only take you seriously if you show up with no less than twelve antennas on your vehicle. This proves that you are a valuable asset. Make sure you have an antenna connected to any available surface on your vehicle.

Also, you have to have a ham radio vanity tag with with an ARRL license plate or similar holder for it. Make sure it says something like, "When All Else Fails" or a similar saying.

The next thing the potential customer is going to look for is how many bumper stickers you have on the rear of your car. At a minimum, you should have an ARRL, RACES, ARES, and your callsign in 3" high letters. It is also a good idea to have a sticker that says "146.52" in the center rear of your vehicle.

Don't forget about the front. Make sure you have a suitable ham radio themed tag on the front license holder.

Top all of this off with a yellow or green strobe light on the dash. If you have a spare spot on the roof (you shouldn't, there should be an antenna there), you can always mount your green or yellow strobe there.

--------------------------------

Of course, all of this is meant in good fun. But, there is wisdom in what I have written. Take it from a high ranking IC Type-1 in State Service....:

STOP LOOKING LIKE A BUNCH OR DORKS WHEN YOU COME TO PLAY WITH US!

You'll get a lot more respect.

Daniel



 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K1CJS on December 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
N7EDK said:

"Homeland security is one of the biggest jokes that came out of the bush years. It should be done away with, its made a joke of our airports, etc. Hams need not get involved in that disaster dept., enjoy the hobby for what it is. Remember the little man with the funny little black square under his nose,and his homeland security in Germany?? We don't need it folks, I know I don't!"

BULLSEYE!

What do you expect from almost eight years of a combination of a continuous joke and the lawbreaking and strongarming of people who were elected to serve the US--not take it over and remake it into their idea of a country.

To those who say "If it weren't for Bush and Cheney, we wouldn't be where we are today" I say--you're right! We wouldn't be considered the bully boy of the world, other nations would have some respect for us instead of having none, and the situations we have in Iraq and with Iran and North Korea more than likely would NOT be so bad.

We're not the 'policeman' of the world any more. The sooner we pay attention to our own troubles and leave the other countries alone if they don't want us there in their territory, the better off we would be. Of course, leaving them alone means TOTALLY alone, as in no foreign aid to them either!
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by RFDANNY on December 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Keep politics off of this. It's in poor taste. Post your far left ideas on moveon.org, not a ham radio website.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by PLANKEYE on December 12, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
RF DANNY:

Of course, all of this is meant in good fun. But, there is wisdom in what I have written. Take it from a high ranking IC Type-1 in State Service....:

STOP LOOKING LIKE A BUNCH OR DORKS WHEN YOU COME TO PLAY WITH US!

You'll get a lot more respect.

Daniel

____________________________

PLANKEYE:

I read your Post Sir.

When you are a high ranking IC Type-1 in State
Service and Post stuff like you Posted.

It makes you look like a Fool.

Think before you Speak!!



PLANKEYE



 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by RFDANNY on December 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hey Plank...

I read what you posted. I sat here and thought about it for a while. I mean, I REALLY reflected, did some soul searching, etc.

I think I can say now without a guilty conscience:

DON'T SHOW UP AT MY INCIDENT LOOKING LIKE A DORK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET LAUGHED AT!

I guess you're one of those folks I stereotyped, or it wouldn't have hit such a bare nerve.

Everyone else is simply laughing, as it was meant in good fun.

If you want to continue to make all ham radio operators look like dorks, keep ironing patches the side of pie plates on to the back of your yellow vests and carrying around twelve HT's with eyeglass mounted ground planes.

Daniel
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K5WKS on December 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Homeland Security poses the greatest threat to the American way of life of any govermental group. Take a look on the Texas border where they are taking peoples property. They scare me a lot more than any so called terrorist group. Leave ham radio out those idiots reach.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by RFDANNY on December 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
So, let me get this straight....

The federal employees working for DHS assigned to border duites scare you "a lot more" than terrorists groups?

Do you mean this litterly, or where you just trying to express concern over the current functioning of the DHS?

Dan



 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by QRZDXR2 on December 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
No. K5WKS is right RFDANNY they are stealing property from people without consern in the name of security. Some of these ranches that have been land grants that they are taking without compensation and/or forcing the owners into selling down along the border have been their all though the 2 WW's. Yet now they suddenly come in and bulldoze the people right out of their homes.

That is what he meant by scarry. Its the government run wild without anyone controling it.

Comm'ies, nazi's all have something in common with the HS group that does like they feel and are above the law.

Several of the ham groups went down and ran the border watch... they were labeled vigilanties...for trying to protect and keep the borders solvent. I know several ranchers that for years asked the feds for help keeping their cattle from being stolen by the people across the border... so they formed a hunting party and stopped the bums from stealing. Only to find out that they were hauled into US court for restraining them nice people who killed their cattle. Who has the bigger crime? Then the government HS started telling them what they could and couldn't do.. and sent them a bill for doing something. It became open seasion on the ranchers and their lands that they used to own.

volenteer Hams that were helping the ranchers... were cited by HS and the FCC for piddly stuff like 15 min id's that were 16 min... radios were conficated because you didn't have the orginal issued FCC ham license with you in the car... all till hams quit doing a good job for border protection... for the ranchers. Yet you drive out their at night and the mexicans will shoot you dead without blinking a eye... while our government watches. Why do you think the cowboys have PU's with gun racks in the back and radio antennas on the roofs ???

They now want to build a big long wall to try and keep the illegals out... ya that works as seen from southern calif's one.

The mexican american war is far from over. Come on down to the AZ/texas bordertowns and you to can partake in the weekly night shoot out at the OK corral. Bring your own rifle and bullets..cheaper by the case though... no you can't borrow some of mine. Borrow means to pay back.. hmmmm And you thought the only war going on was over in the mid east. Ya Silly boy
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N7YA on December 13, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Right now, Mexico is at war with itself. I wouldnt vacation there unless i always had an AK-47 with me at all times. Its getting chaotic and desperate down there. I live and work alongside Mexican people all day in this city, they are concerned about the conditions at home right now.

If you point to any country on the map, regardless of the impression you get about that nation there will always be problems and enemies within that country. We're no exception, just because we have a border, a strong military and weve done some remarkable things in the past doesnt mean we will always be great...we tend to get lazy very easily. Complacency is the enemy with the USA and we are more than guilty of this. You think Canada isnt nervous about the condition of its southern neighbors? Think again.

Anyone who lives along the US/Mexico border should be used to these kinds of infractions, unfortunately, i think it will get worse before it gets better as thats country...and indeed ours...becomes more desperate and people do what they have to do to get by. You will be hearing more news about border killings and robberies in the coming years...there will be many, many more that you wont hear about.

73...Adam, N7YA
 
New England Ice Storm  
by W2EV on December 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
New England (near to some of the most densely amateur radio populated regions of the country) is dealing with the aftermath of an ice storm. What is Amateur radio doing to assist and how were they deployed?
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K6LHA on December 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
About "Homeland Security" and USA amateur radio:

The National Communications System (NCS) was established in August, 1963, by President Kennedy. Anyone can check that out at www.ncs.gov and read further on the various groups allied with that. The Department of Homeland Security was established after September, 2001, and the NCS placed under that. There's been 45 years of USA government awareness of needing communications security in the USA as well as emergency communications alternates ever since the USSR missle build-up attempt in Cuba over 45 years ago.

There are about 1100 (give or take) USA government radio locations for various agencies using HF. Those are organized under 'SHARES' (a contraction of 'Shared Resources'). All are on standby for switching to the NCS when any large emergency occurs. On HF these SHARES stations use ALE (Automatic Link Establishment) for determining which frequency on HF to use. The special-purpose computers used for ALE (presumably) also permit digital communications on HF...and presumably some form of cryptographic security. SHARES (under that label) has been organized for about nine years now and has regular drills to make certain their network is operable.

What most civilians aren't aware of is the 'hidden telephone system' all over this country (as novelist Tom Clancy has dubbed it), mainly the DSN (Digital Switched Network) numbers that are routed through telephone central offices and on 'long-lines.' Anyone with the proper authenticator can dial into the DSN and, depending on that authentication, dial anywhere on the DSN wherever that location is worldwide. DSN has also been described as "the government's own Internet" and has cryptographic security as well as multiple routing and robust backup. DSN isn't a direct part of the NCS but it shows that there IS a committment by the government to provide better, more secure communications worldwide or just national than existed 50 years ago via pre-WWII model communications means.

The NCS committees get the USA communications providers involved directly with communications security, both for the country's sake as well as for their own corporate purposes. To date there hasn't been any successful attempt to 'hack' into any of our communications services...except on very rare occasions when a dissatisfied employee (with direct access) did it. I'm not talking about access of IT systems, but even then the only 'hacks' of those have been about theft of data, not destruction of the IT system.

For emergency communications on a more local level there are many existing services available. There is the communications capability of the National Guard when activated by Presidential order. National Guard uses military equipment which has been proven capable in the field, has been used during floods of the Mississippi and trbutaries during the last decade, the Gulf States over the last three years. In larger urban areas such as Los Angeles, CA, there are county emergency communications centers (the main one in a below-ground, well-reinforced cold-war bunker) that tie together county, city, public-safety and utility radio networks into a unified whole. The LA Emergency Communications Center was put to the test in January, 1994, as a result of the Northridge Earthquake in NW Los Angeles. It worked very well. That system undergoes periodic drills by all subsidiary radio and communications networks. In the last decade the Los Angeles Fire Department (all government employees) have established their own Communications Auxilliary as an adjunct to the Emergency Communications Center capability. They have mobile comm centers built into modified bus or recreational vehicles as well as using old, replaced fire houses as base stations. As with most fire departments, the LAFD uses dedicated, leased telephone lines for alarms to its fire houses, unaffected by regular telephone traffic overloads during emergency onsets. LAFD and all incorporated city FDs all roll out on any earthquake alarm even if there is no fire reported. Police departments in this county and neighboring counties have their own networks with emergency power capability, can tie into State police. Broadcast services have their own emergency power systems and will provide community information service during real emergencies...even if it were not required by law. FAA communications services can utilize their local-to-national networks plus reports from aircraft in flight for emergency situations during unusual circumstances; they now have emergency power for ground radios since the first Great Power Blackout in the eastern USA decades ago.

As an example of more-local emergency communications, FEMA has had fly-away audio and video terminals since before the 1994 Northridge quake, had them working (and displayed on TV) at evacuation centers. Video imaging allowed written questions and answers on 'health and welfare' messaging in familiar (to those affected) handwriting. I will not comment on the political side of FEMA and its role in the Katrina hurricane of 2005 and afterwards. Those that do the FEMA communicating are not the political beings in Washington, DC. In the immediate aftermath of the '9-11' attacks, several manufacturers and resellers of government radios banded together to quickly replace destroyed equipment. That private-industry action wasn't reported by the media other than small sidebars and was seen mainly in electronics trade press news. It was a needed action and private industry hustled to fill that need. Did the ARRL report any of that? CQ magazine? Popular Communications?

USA amateur radio publications tend to overwhelm readers with the 'importance' of amateur radio and to make questionable statements about "working when all other systems fail." Over-stressing 'importance' as well as glorifying ham radio is what readers WANT to see. It is not necessarily the truth. Yes, amateur radio has served well in community affairs where no real emergency existed such as special events and sports. There is very little record other than post-even political boilerplate statements about REAL emergencies. During the '94 Northridge quake in LA, a region of about 10 million population lost ALL electrical power for most of that day. There was no evidence that any amateur radio network was activated and working in the day following half past four in the morning on 17 January 1994. The LA Emergency Communication Center was working, police departments, fire departments, even utility companies were working almost immediately, all using their own radios. Hospitals and the private ambulance companies were working, their own generators working and providing separate little dots of light visible in the darkness. Local utility companies were busy, busy, rounding up employees by car if their telephones were still tied up. Over a day after FEMA's fly-away terminals were emplaced there was one San Fernando Valley amateur radio station set up at one evacuation center to handle 'health and welfare' messages, seen on one local TV news show. That '94 quake killed only 53 humans directly, was a west coast situation, caused a few billions of dollars in total damages, so midwesterners and easteners (including ARRL Hq) didn't seem to pay it much attention...it was a 'left coast' thing. President Clinton paid attention, flew into Burbank's airport, got to feel an aftershock (during a televised newsconference!).

USA amateur radio does have a voice with the federal government, but it isn't an urgent voice and it is a very old voice, unable to fully reconcile itself with present-day activities. As for organizations there is only one law firm and one lobbyist firm in DC, both working for the ARRL. Working for. Getting paid. [payment monies are on their IRS forms] Instead, there are the many voices of individual citizens and a few local groups who've made their wishes known, had those desires published by the FCC. The FCC has seen all those and considered them, such as for Docket 05-235 on eliminating the code test. The FCC has also seen what are - obvious to them with legal training - 'moot court' exercises by law students (at least a half dozen) who are there merely for the exercise of comments on a docket. [it was probably a required class exercise?]

There should be NO harm to anyone (except to self-righteous acolytes of the Church of St. Hiram) if USA amateur radio is taken for what it really is, a HOBBY. There's nothing wrong with hobbies. The Academy of Model Aeronautics and some others lobbied for and got 100 channels for model radio-control around 72 MHz a few decades ago. The AMA has nothing to do with amateur radio activities, doesn't preen and pompously declare itself as some kind of aeronautical expertise beginner's place to enter aviation. It exists for the love of their hobby, flying model aircraft. For FUN. The FCC heard them out, put it on a Docket, analyzed their reasons, then published a Memorandum Report and Order establishing Radio Control Radio Service, put it as a part of Part 95, Title 47 C.F.R.

I would suggest that USA amateur radio, especially 'THE' voice (the ARRL) to quit smoking whatever they inhale and get with the REAL program. USA ham radio is NOT some minutemen organization ready to drop everything and fight enemies or mother nature's devastation AS IF it is some paramilitary force. Amateur radio is a purely voluntary activity performed without pecuniary compensation for personal pleasure. No one compels any amateur radio licensee to perform public service. That isn't required by any law. There are plenty of other groups and organizations that accept volunteers for other duties that ARE good for the nation.

The long-existing government and military structures can handle REAL security issues. Long-existing government organizations can handle REAL emergency issues. Just because the ham radio periodicals don't mention them doesn't mean they don't exist. People, get with the program and educate yourselves. Don't take the lazy way out and expect the ARRL to spoon feed you information that only they think you should know.

73, Len AF6AY
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K5MO on December 14, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
If you're interested in providing "homeland security" exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, buy a firearm, and learn how to use it. It's good not to feel beholden to some government agency to provide safety for you and your family.

John K5MO
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N7YA on December 15, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I agree. But noone will know i am a gun owner except the feds, the dealers i bought it from and whoever is unfortunate enough to try breaking in or robbing me.

I never obsess about guns, i dont collect them, but there is nothing wrong with owning a firearm as long as you are safe and and dont let ego, insecurity or fear take the place of responsibility, safety and situational awareness.

And, if you plan on buying a gun for whatever reason, take that thing to the range as often as you can and get good with it, learn all you can about it (cleaning, loading, proper handling and storage, etc.), learn the regs in your county by heart and be a good gun owner...not some renegade idiot who is all of the sudden empowered by a small piece of metal in their hands. If youre not strong inside your heart, a gun is the absolute worst thing you could own.

73...Adam, N7YA
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W4WLZ on December 15, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Just look at the Katrina Mess, it is still following us today.. The Ice storage and the trailers that rotted and the misuse of funds approations, by both the citizens and the Homeland Security Personnel.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KD0EDF on December 16, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah!,I agree greatly with what you are saying.Our own local gov. is not very freindly to hams.But realy with the oboma administations proudly promoted plans for the North American Union,hams will,and are,going to loose most of thier privledges.Its the same thing Hitler did,take away all outside communication from the people.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
RFDANNY wrote:

>>Keep politics off of this. It's in poor taste. Post your far left ideas on moveon.org, not a ham radio website.<<

Gee, I didn't know you were a radio cop--or in this case, an internet cop. You seem to have your eyes shut--politics are everywhere, especially when talking about a politically driven mess.

Even though, last I heard, freedom of speech was still a right--and even if you are a high (sch)muckity-muck in some state, I don't see your name on this sites team list. With an attitude like yours, your bosses are fools if they trust you to run an incident command.

Please keep your instructions--and your ravings--to yourself. Plankeye, in this case, speaks wisely--you'll get more respect.
 
RE: New England Ice Storm  
by K1CJS on December 17, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
W2EV writes:

>>New England (near to some of the most densely amateur radio populated regions of the country) is dealing with the aftermath of an ice storm. What is Amateur radio doing to assist and how were they deployed?<<

One thing you can be sure of is this: The hams helping out up there aren't wasting their time on here!

The center of the relief effort seems to be in Gardner, MA, where there still are quite a few homes without power as of yesterday (Tuesday) morning. The MA, NH and ME Emergency Management departments are working together to martial aid and relief and spearhead the cleanup efforts in northern MA and southern NH and ME. The MA eastern and western sections ARES teams are co-operating in manning communications and relief stations. It seems that the worst of the storm missed the more heavily populated areas of southern VT, although there were some efforts underway there as well.

It is expected that the lions share of the cleanup will be completed by this evening (Wednesday)--at least that is when the state EOCs are contemplating closing down the EOCs and returning the cleanup/relief crews that are on loan from other areas.

Many of the roads between Worcester, MA and the states northern border were impassable because of fallen and broken trees and branches and downed wires. Although no comparisons have yet been made, the ice storm that hit the southern and central parts of New Hampshire a couple of years ago is comparible to the destruction in the northern MA/southern NH from this storm.
 
RE: New England Ice Storm  
by RFDANNY on December 17, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS - I post a few thoughts on a few articles. You, however, must spew your ignorant diatribe on every single article that shows up. You obviously do not have a job and do not support your family. That why they are embarrassed to have you around. You have no life. It is obvious why your fist two spouses left you. You are a lazy, psychedelic throw back who resents the fact that you were born and raised in the USA. I remember that you also openly question the moon landings. Pitiful.

I've noticed that you have been dressed down multiple times by your peers for being a moron, yet,like a puss filled pimple, keep popping up where you're not wanted. This is a direct result of your getting picked on in grade school. You should have fought back all those mornings when the cool kids stole your lunch money. You would have grown significantly more manly fiber than the grape-like shell that you currently occupy.

Yes, you have freedom of speech. I simply said that debating politics was in bad taste... and, it is. Let's take a poll... how many on this website want to start threads on our political differences? Anyone? Do we want to start arguing about Bush, Reagan, Obama, the merits of the DHS? I didn't think so. K1CJS does, because it's his right. Anyone who points out proper etiquette is suddenly an Internet Cop.

This is an international web site. It is obvious that you hate your country. You are an embarrassment to it. Perhaps you should go live in another country. I was simply hoping to save you further humiliation and, at the same time, try to preserve the image of most main stream American hams.

If you doubt that K1CJS is embarrassed to be an American, just Google his full name and you can read his other far-left blogs. In my opinion, you do not possess the minimum prerequisites to be a licensee of the Commission. That should be looked in to.

So, again, and I say with no reservations... K1CJS PLEASE KEEP YOUR FAR LEFT WING POLITICAL LUNACY OFF OF HERE. It's for your own good.

Thank you.

Daniel
"The Sweetest Man on eHam"
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by W0RIC on December 17, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Bill, K0ZL said, "Let's use this opportunity to build some Amateur Radio awareness into the incoming administration".

I don't think this opportunity was intended to be a forum about all the problems with Homeland Security, FEMA or your political views. Those views should be posted some other place.

Bill's point was: "Let's use this opportunity to build some Amateur Radio awareness into the incoming administration".

This is a very good suggestion by Bill.

Please leave it at that!

 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KD0EDF on December 18, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
First off, I actually am,as you consider,a far-right,I was not getting into politics,I was meerly stating a well researched fact.I was just trying to inform people,since the mass media refuses to say any thing about it.And I will fight to the death for my Country,and the rights there in.
GOD BLESS,AND SAVE AMERICA!!!
 
RE: New England Ice Storm  
by K1CJS on December 18, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
>>K1CJS - I post a few thoughts on a few articles. You, however, must spew your ignorant diatribe on every single article that shows up. You obviously do not have a job and do not support your family. That why they are embarrassed to have you around. You have no life. It is obvious why your fist two spouses left you. You are a lazy, psychedelic throw back who resents the fact that you were born and raised in the USA. I remember that you also openly question the moon landings. Pitiful.......<<

You can keep your slamfest to yourself, RFDANNY. My personal affairs are none of your business. Yes I post quite a lot here, you're right there--and wrong everywhere else. I think you've got me mixed up with......you.

 
RF DANNY FREAKED  
by PLANKEYE on December 19, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hey dudes, sometimes you have to laugh at the crazy stuff folks do and say. Don't take folks so serious, and take the time to laugh.

RF DANNY
K1CJS

You fellers have a Merry Christmas and God Bless you and your families!!


PLANKEYE
 
RE: RF DANNY FREAKED  
by N7YA on December 19, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
This is an internet forum...there are no christmases here, there is no laughter, no friendship...just people arguing. The REAL world is where you find all that stuf.
 
Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by KG4RRN on December 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
These two terms are a contradiction. They never need to be used together again.
All hams in ARES and RACES took these ICS tests, were used for the state and county grants for buying the EOC's new equipment, which they don't need, and was sold by vendors making major megabucks.
In one drill I participated in, with Federal people guiding it, I was asked as soon as I stepped into the EOC "are you a player"? I was so taken back by this I
didn't think my response would be positive.
I didn't play with my radios....but alot of times I have in a way...thinking about it now, so I guess the answer is YES I am a PLAYER !!! and a hobbiest, and a tinkerer too !
I was removed from ARES last year when they were about to join back together with RACES, for defending myself online from a CIA agents' comment about me on my local ARES reflector.
I also recall seeing the remarks that most hams would not be physically fit to serve during an emergency.
I am 46 years old, and yesterday, rode my bike 20 miles, both on road and trail.
I just also became a Notary Public last week.
In EMCOMM here in the DC metro area, we have a mix of federal and state and local badge whipping boy egomaniacs now, who want to control ARES and RACES.
It went from a volunteer organization to serving the county and state gov't. organizations with back up radio data communciations, in 2 years(2001-2003).Now, you must be certified in ICS courses,other FEMA tests, background check, be willing to take on an increasing organizational functioning, keeping track of paperwork, and reporting to local and state authorities,a microcosm view of 'Big Brother' is here.
MY two biggest gripes, keep active duty military and federal government people OUT OF ARES AND return it to civilian control now! This is not democracy, it's socialism, at it's best.
 
RE: Homeland Security and Ham Radio  
by N0SYA on December 23, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
All I can think of is Heil Obama!
 
Email Subscription
You are not subscribed to discussions on this article.

Subscribe!
My Subscriptions
Subscriptions Help

Related News & Articles
Ham Radio Supporting Field Medicine
My Story: July 17th 1964


Other Emergency/Public Service Articles
Ham Radio Supporting Field Medicine