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Yaesu FT-7800 Install

from Hal Reichart, KD7DYV on December 20, 2008
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Hi, name here is Hal, KD7DYV and I live in Eagle Point, Oregon. Here is a weekend project. Upon searching the net, I found that there is not a wealth of information on later model Ford Explorer / Expedition radio installs. Here is what I came up with, in mounting a Yaesu FT-7800, and Diamond NR73BNMO Dualband antenna.

We all know the challenges of late model installs, like no space to mount, air tight cabins, ect. Finding a mounting place that doesn’t interfere with the SRS airbags, cup holders, is out of sight, and yet within grasp. I wanted no mic I my face while I am driving, but not hidden so well as to take my eyes off the road. All the while, making sure it doesn’t become a missile inside the cab in an abrupt stop, and the most important of all, the wife approves of the installation. Then there is the antenna. Has to be out of the way, not hitting the garage, drive throughs, ATM’s, and the like, but still have a higher gain, and match the car aesthetically. In the 2006 Explorer, in the upper center console, there is a little cubby for sunglasses. That is where this project begins.

While placing the removable control head of the FT-7800 in just about every conceivable location in the cab, I began to see that the criteria above would be difficult to meet. It was either in the SRS area, in the knee area, interfered with the shifter or cup holder area, or was just really plain ugly, and the wife would never go for it. Then I stumbled upon the sunglasses cubby. Removing the single screw located in the garage door opening cubby that holds up the center console, and popping the retainers out on the front end, allowed it to be lowered rather easily. Release the wire plugs, and out it comes. All the console wiring routes from the front, as shown below.

A very handy tool, is the wire fish tape, from the big box home store. It is steel, flexible, and runs down wire runs like no coat hanger can. I ran it down the front right side, to the right A post. After removing the A post handle, and popping the A post plastic trim loose, I was able to make the fish go right around the 90° angle, and down to the kick panel, behind the just removed glove box. 3 screws, and a slight compression of the sides, and she pops right out. Set it aside.

Noting that the Mic cable for the FT-7800 is a common RJ connector, I started to do the research into the schematics, and low and behold, it is just a straight through 6 conductor cable. Just a multi-line phone cord. I was thrilled to not have the mic hanging from my roof! A quick trip to Wally World yielded a 10ft. 6 conductor wire, and a 6 pin straight through connector. Perfect for the mic extension. Back home, I attached both the remote Yaesu wire and the new mic wire and the speaker wire to the wire fish, and pulled it all back up to the center console carefully. They are the white and black wires taped together in the photos above, and below. Also the speaker wire, which cannot be seen in this photo.

Above, the wires running up the A post, from the bottom.

Below, is the inside of the center console. Note the two screws that retain the rear heater controls. Removing them, allows the heater controls to come out, which in turn, allows the sunglasses cubby door to be removed, and saved. Replace the controller and the screws. The remote head has all the connectors on the right side of the radio. So I only had to open a hole on one side, and chose to do it through the recess on the right side. If I remove the radio, and put the door back on, the hole will not be seen.

I then drilled two 3/16” holes in the rear face of the console, to allow for mounting the speaker bracket, and ran the speaker wires, mic wires and remote control wires through their respective holes, and snapped the console back in place. I decided earlier to mount the radio itself under the passenger seat. I positioned the radio under the seat in a safe place, out of the harness way, and slid the seat back and forth to ensure proper clearance. I then marked the bracket edges and removed the radio. Since the seats have the airbags built right in, I disconnected the battery, and just left it until after supper, about 30 minutes. I then removed the seat wiring connector, and the four attaching bolts. Remove seat, and set aside. Removing the right passenger foot kick panel, and door threshold revealed the factory wire run trough.

Checking behind my drill, I found that the fuel tank is mounted underneath. There is about an 1 ½” gap, so no worried about the self tapping screws, just make sure that you don’t run the drill bit though the fuel tank. Loosely mounted the radio bracket, and began running the wires.

A view of the factory wire trough opened up, and my wires laid out. Wire run is under the carpet.

I had some excess remote wiring, so a couple loops in the wire trough took care of that. After soldering the PL-259 connector on the new coax, pulled through the excess wire, to the kick panel area. Tightened the radio install, and closed the wire trough.

After tidying up the wire bundle to the kick panel, and cleaning the blood out of the carpet, I was able to reinstall the passenger seat and it’s wire harness.

There is a lot of clearance under the seat, for free movement.

There was that need to get through the firewall. I am not too worried about blasting holes through my firewall, so I did. It took a 3/8” grommet to run the coax and the power wire and fuse to the terminal block at the battery. After routing those, I gathered the loose wiring back up, and zip tied loosely into place. Then, reinstalled the right kick panel and threshold.

Note the extra black remote and speaker wire. Bundled and tied here

Routing of the mic wire was pretty straight forward. I ran it above the glove box opening, to the lower center console, and across to the drivers side. That is where the coupling is also. Noting the size of the mic cord, I trimmed a small corner off of the center console lower trim panel, to allow the cord to pass, with no chaffing of the cord. Replaced the trim panel, and it fit like a charm, and will hold the mic cable fine. The mic bracket was mounted to the 3 blank panel above the heater fan control. I have my driving light switch mounted there also. Another easily replaced piece, at a later date if needed to be replaced.

And the corner notched out with Dremel.

Then mounted the bracket to the 3 hole bland next to the traction control button. Looks nice in the cab.

This has the added benefit of hiding the coupler and the ugly white phone wire. I am tall, and my normal position is with the seat all the way back. There is no problem reaching all the way, with plenty of cord left. Works good.

The finished project, looks like this:

The upper console and speaker.

The ridges that you can see under the radio, cannot be seen with normal lighting.

The antenna was selected for a couple reasons. 1st, with the composite hoods, I needed a ½ wave or longer, in the 2m range, as to not require the ground plane. It had to be less than 34” overall, to clear the garage door, had to be NMO mount, to match all of my other mounts, AND had to be black, to match the vehicle. That will narrow down the selection a bit… Actually, only found less than a handful that would do what I needed. I chose the Diamond, NR73BNMO Dualband antenna. After installation, SWR test was 1.2 in the 146.000 range and 1.35 at 147.500 My old SWR meter will not go into the 70cm range, so that is as good as it gets for me. I may have been able to get it lower yet, by moving it forward, away from the A post of the drivers side, but I measured it out at the same distance as the AM/FM antenna on the right side, so that they match. I am concerned about aesthetics also, and wanted them to match with out sacrificing too much performance.

Testing has gone well, looks like I expected, wife is happy. Therefore, I am happy. :-)

In the past, I have found that mounting the antennas on the left side of the car, takes a couple of times driving to get used to it in the corner of your vision, but then it blends in and you don’t notice it. But you do notice it if it ever becomes loose, or has other problems. It also get the antenna away from the side walk side of the car, and closer to the traffic side, and that removes some of the temptation that less caring individuals have for your car. It is less likely to be stolen, bent or broken off, if it is not right there in plain sight. I hope that somebody can use this idea, or any part if it to install their equipment.

73 Hal, KD7DYV

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Yaesu FT-7800 Install Very Professional  
by N6BOB on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent job! The photos are excellent and I can imagine going through a similar process to install my rig on my car. Never thought of placing the antenna up front matching the car radio antenna's location. Taking out the seat is beyond my skills, but the fish tape trip up the A post would work for me. Thanks for taking the time to post your install.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install Very Professional  
by K0BG on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
You're wise avoiding the SRS devices, but for others who try this, take heed.

The pillars are where most of the above head SRS devices have their wiring, and you certainly don't want to damage any of it. The best way is to remove the trim which is not difficult on any late-model vehicle. How to do it, requires a service manual which is something every mobile amateur should have.

Lastly, the side and rear SRS devices are typically located in the front seat assembly, along with a side impact sensor. While properly removing the seat won't set them off, the fact that they were unplugged is registered in the EOBDII memory. This may or may not turn on the Check Engine light.

Again, a service manual on your vehicle is a godsend in these types of installs.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by W3NRL on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice, very clean
73 de w3nrl
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by W3LK on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice looking installation, but I don't like the idea that you have to look up, taking your eyes very much off the road, to make any changes. And the angle of the front places it outside your direct line of sight, as well - you are looking at it at an awkward angle.

73,

Lon - W3LK
Naugatuck, Connecticut
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by KD8BKB on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
what did you use to remote your mic?
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by WV4L on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Looks good! I always like to see how others have used their creativity in their mobile installs. Alan's site was a major resource for me when I did my install but even then I had, like you, to come up with viable solutions to make for a clean install.

73!
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by K1CJS on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice job and a clean install. I don't agree with a couple of points to do with safety devices and the telephone cord use. However, if it works for you, great! 73!
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by N1KDO on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
That's a good looking install. I have put radios under the seat before, but I hate to drill through the floor. In my current ride, I mounted the radio to the underside of the passenger seat, rather than to the floor under the passenger seat.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install Very Professional  
by W5WSS on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice installation. Safety first and do some pre trip familiarization/settings with the rig. After some time using the system you will be able to keep your mind/eyes on the road and press the buttons on the rig/mic without needing to glance at them. Remember the brain can not perform these types of tasks simultaneously,so mobile radio operating should be minimized to pressing the mic only. Excellent installation. 73
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by KJ4AGA on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
What brand was your antenna mount?
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install Very Professional  
by N2IK on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
RE: safe mobile operating.
The extensive memories and "Program Memories" can very greatly reduce the need for adjustments and taking the eye off the road in operation. The program memories can completely set up the radio for whatever two channels you want to use and every setting needed for your most common communications needs. One button and you are there. Then if you need to change you can use another program memory, or the up/down buttons on the mike. All easy and no need to even look at the radio. Extensive use of the alphanumerics is a great help as well.

Note that where he placed the radio is close to the rear-view mirror that he will be scanning anyway. Another trick setup I have thought about for remote head mounting is to add another stick-on-glass rear-view mirror to which the control head is mounted. That would work for cars that have no ceiling console.

IMHO the program memories that save the total state of the radio are the biggest aid to mobile operation going. Especially in dual receive and dual band radios. YMMV.

73 de Walt N2IK
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by K0VH on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice informative writeup that I am sure will provide
ideas to others with center roof consoles. All my vehicles have this however the one I have my 2 part radio (IC 2720) is my wife's 300M with a sunroof and not enough room for a sunglass case so this idea won't work for me.

However a good spot and tip for any of you who might own a 2005 or newer Jeep Grand Cherokee (or Commander):
There is an ~2x6" pocket on the left side console below the turn signal that you can pop out and install one of the smaller 2m FM rigs behind the hole that remains plus the entire lower panel just drops down.
I put my 8 year old Yaseu FT1500M [still my favorite] and know another guy that put a newer FT1802 there. There are open spots for airflow but I would not suggest transmitting 50 watts for more than a minute or so at a time on a hot day. Otherwise that spot is fine and you can put the mic in a holder up by the left side of the instrument cluster. Another nice thing is you can route the fused 12 VDC through a large grommet straight back on the firewall and the battery is on the same side ... and it has extra room on it's side terminals so 2 bolts and you are direct connected. I used a rear short 2m whip which is a little trickier but you can route it under the door kick panels and back plastics pretty easily.
This entire setup took me only 2 hours; the other nice thing is it will take < hour if I ever want to remove the radio and restore it to the original storage pocket for resale.

I totally agree with everyone's comments on not looking at the radio while driving no matter where it is at, if you do look and fiddle you are no better than all the cell phone crazies out there dialing numbers instead of having a one button speed dial or any key answer. You should have a priority setup on your mic or a bank of freqs for local, a bank for trips etc and only look while stopped at the lights or similar situations. I don't even talk in heavy both-hands-on-the-wheel traffic, it's not worth it.
73s
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by W6AAV on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hal,

Great write up and install. Intresting enough, I installed the same radio in my 2008 Honda Civic. Can't beat the deal HRO has in the FT-7800R right now. I love the radio and like you the install went great. My objective is not drill any holes I don't need. I mounted the radio body in the trunk under the rear deck and remote mounted the head unit at the dash.

Caongrats on the clean install and I wish you many years of happy operating.

Will
W6AAV
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by AC5WO on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Great Article! I had a similar overhead control head installation in the past. Advantages are 1) never have problems with sunlight making LCD hard to read and 2) control head isn't visible to potential thieves walking by.

I currently use a Yaesu FT-7800 as my mobile rig. Loaded every 2m, 1.25m (receive), and 70cm repeater and simplex frequency plus CTCSS into memory and then assign my favorites to different banks. Memory banks can then be assigned to the 5 hyper memories. There are also 4 programmable function keys on the microphone. End result is I can control common functions like setting frequency, power output, etc. with minimal distraction from driving.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install Very Professional  
by N0MUD on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Hal, nice job, good pictures and good description of the install. I have a 2004 GMC 2500HD Club cab. I have the Yaesu 8800R mounted under the dash, just under the second sunglass holder and the mic hanger just to the left of the temperature controls. I have a FT-857d installed with the extention kit. The base of the radio is mounted/tucked under the rear seat. It fit so well I didn't have to permanently mount it as the floor under the back seat is flat. I used the extension kit and mounted the head with velcro just under the dash. The FT-857d radio head only comes out when I am on the road traveling or going camping up in the high country here in Colorado. I ran all the wires in the drivers side trough, then under the drivers side carpet and up to the radio head. Around town I use the FT-8800r. My install took a little longer as I am disabled and can only be down on my knees for a short time. I am lucky as where my 8800r is mounted if I have to change freqs either its to a channel that I know what freq is there or I wait till I stop for a traffic light like one of the other hams above me said. Even tho I can program the radio almost by memory I won't do it while driving. If someone once me to put in a freq to talk to him I tell him he will have to wait until I can stop and do it. I will never add freqs while driving. The antennas are all on top of the cab and I use mag mounts only, no holes in the roof just yet.

73s and enjoy your radio

Mike, NØmud
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install Very Professional  
by KG4RUL on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I took the route of minimum disturbance and no holes drilled.

The FT-100D control head was mounted to a block of wood that was padded out with tape to fit tightly in an existing well in the dash. The microphone mount was bent to shape, to allow it to be slipped over an edge and under a lip of the center console, to secure it. The extension cable was routed behind the golve box to get over to the kick panel.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc296/kg4rulphotos/VueDashBoard.jpg

The radio chassis ended up under the rear, passenger side seat.

Power was easy as the Saturn VUE has a power distribution stud next to the battery. A metric nut and a washer were all that was needed to attach the positive, 8GA cable (fused underhood, at the battery as was the negative cable). Cables were routed thrugh an existing firewall grommet, behind the kick panels and through the door sills (the covers snap off).

Antennas were mounted to Heavy-duty lip mounts on the rear hatchback.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc296/kg4rulphotos/VueBackFull.jpg
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by W6CAW on December 20, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice Job. Here is how I put a IC-7000 and FT-8900 in my Ford Sport Trac.
www.craigwilliams.com/radio/mobile/index.html
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by K0BG on December 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Craig, I looked at the photos on your web site, and I have a question. What happens to the radio mounted in the center top of the dash when the SRS goes off?

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by W2KYM on December 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
That's a very professional job there. I have a 08 Malibu and mine was installed in the trunk, with power wires going straight to the battery and extension kit going underneath the seats to the front. I purchased the goose neck mount from LidoMounts and put that in. I like it very much.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by WI7B on December 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!

Hal KD7DYV,

Sweet installation, but pretty intense for the FT7800R.

In my SUV, I was able to mount my FT-8800R remote head at the bottom of the center console. It fits in a groove and secured with Velcro. The control cable runs under the console side panels to the back seat under which the main unit is placed. The antenna is placed on the rear roof rack railing.

But, to each his own project!

Happy Holidays,

---* Ken

 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by W7WV on December 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Lots of work there.
I mounted my FT-7800 in that drop down (located just to the rear of where you mounted yours) in my wife's 2005 F-150.
I just mounted the head in there with industrial strength Velcro. I also mounted a small speaker there.
The radio mounted under the back seat really nice.
The nicest thing about my mount to me was that I could hear the radio with the drop down open or closed and it was totally out of sight to a thief.
And when I turned it in for service I removed the head and the mic quickly and took it home again to prevent a thief from getting them.
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by VE7REN on December 21, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
i too mounted my ft1802 in the center roof above the mirror head,and love the radio there. never in the way,stays clean,etc. still can keep eyes on the road. i ran my power,antenna wires up the kick panel and window post,then under the roof padding in my gmc sierra. cant even tell,and looks professional.
ve7ren
 
Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by KC2SYK on December 23, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
Nice work. One comment: if you find that you have alternator noise or crosstalk in the mic cable or remote head cable, try replacing the flat 6-conductor cable with twisted pair. Something like Category 5 cable (widely used for Ethernet) is relatively inexpensive and readily available.

Cheers.

-Chris KC2SYK
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by N9AMI on December 25, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
I like the install but like a few others said its a bit out of your eye view when driving down the road. You have to look up and take your eyes off the road. But if you feel safe more power to you. I myself would of gone with a "profit" mount and not pull the rotary tool out. Defiantly A+ for custom that's for sure. :-)
 
RE: Yaesu FT-7800 Install  
by KB1RNV on December 26, 2008 Mail this to a friend!
"Craig, I looked at the photos on your web site, and I have a question. What happens to the radio mounted in the center top of the dash when the SRS goes off? "

Nothing. The air bags are located in the steering wheel, a-pillars, and just above the glove compartment. There isn't one in the centre.

I have a similar setup in a Land Rover, works great but I never attempt to change settings while on the go.
 
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