eHam.net - Amateur Radio (Ham Radio) Community

Call Search
     

New to Ham Radio?
My Profile

Community
Articles
Forums
News
Reviews
Friends Remembered
Strays
Survey Question

Operating
Contesting
DX Cluster Spots
Propagation

Resources
Calendar
Classifieds
Ham Exams
Ham Links
List Archives
News Articles
Product Reviews
QSL Managers

Site Info
eHam Help (FAQ)
Support the site
The eHam Team
Advertising Info
Vision Statement
About eHam.net


QSL Managers
     

Ham Links
     



[Articles Home]  [Add Article]  

First Mobile QSO Party

from Larry Kendall, K5END on April 2, 2009
View comments about this article!

First Mobile QSO Party

Larry-K5END

Running power leads from the battery through the firewall, mounting the antenna in a manner to minimize radiation losses, safely, getting coax and the antenna control cable from the interior to the antenna, choking the antenna control cable, mounting the radios, separator kits and control heads, configuring the computer interface, GPS and PC-keyer, setting up to use a laptop PC ergonomically, planning and posting a route, choosing (and learning) contest logging software, learning what to actually DO (and what not to do) in a mobile contest and getting up to speed on Morse code—all in time to meet the deadline of the QSO Party weekend sums up the challenges faced in the two weeks before the Oklahoma QSO Party. This article covers the work on the exterior of the vehicle.

The most critical aspect was getting the best radiation efficiency possible with the antenna used, and mounting it safely was the foremost requirement. (Selecting the best commercially made antenna model for mobile installation is not within the scope of this article and not part of the discussion.) Much thought was given to the HF mobile antenna installation challenges with this Ridgeline. The first step was to choose a mount location. Drilling holes in a nice shiny vehicle was never a problem for this owner, provided it yielded a benefit and did not present a safety hazard. Punching a hole in the roof or trunk lid on this vehicle is, however, problematic for several reasons: the antenna weight and associated moment and torque plus the wind loading of the coil, mast, whip and capacity hat will induce stress at the base that could easily deform the sheet metal--and the mount would fail; this vehicle's sunroof, track and motors, side curtain airbags, satellite radio receiver, AM/FM antenna and other components integrated with the roof further prevent a roof mount, and even though the Ridgeline has a trunk lid, it is within the well of the bed and not the best location choice. Many Amateurs with pickups mount the antenna on the bed interior corner. This is generally accepted as a compromise, and this author's goal was to avoid such compromises. Mounting the antenna base next to and beneath the plane of the cab (or on the hitch mount) presents unwanted capacitive coupling directly to the vehicle body, therefore base height is the goal.

A custom roof rack with a metallic plane bonded and parallel to the ground was considered, yet the roof rack would increase wind drag, and motor vehicle height limitations would shorten the length of the radiating element, if only a bit. Mounting the antenna base at or just above the plane of the bed rails seemed like the optimum choice. A sturdy bed rail mounting system appeared to be the most feasible method. However, the after-market bed rails available were unsuitable. Painted strut framing channel secured to the bed rail with panel rivets provided a straightforward and novel approach.

But this pickup is unlike others. The bed sides and rails are curved in all dimensions; therefore great care was needed to drill holes in three layers of material, separately, while avoiding damage to vehicle integrity and mount straight framing channel. Proper hole placement and alignment presented the biggest challenge of this project, but only for one side. This bed is almost entirely symmetric, so after the passenger side was completed accurate templates existed immediately to do the driver side.

0x01 graphic

Drilling the holes in the right places was a real trick.

0x01 graphic

The bare metal left from drilling new holes was painted with factory matched touch up paint, more for corrosion resistance than for cosmetics.

0x01 graphic

A special tool is used to keep the panel rivet from turning during installation.

0x01 graphic

The panel rivets are zinc coated for corrosion inhibition, yet there didn't seem to be a reason not to paint them the factory color as well.

0x01 graphic

The hard part is over!

During the installation the bed rail framing channels were bonded to the vehicle body to improve antenna efficiency. The vehicle body and antenna base assembly are bonded throughout. Some edges of the copper bonding strips between the members are visible in the photographs.

0x01 graphic

One corner of the copper bonding strip is visible underneath the bracket in the right of the photo.

0x01 graphic

A stainless steel plate serves as the antenna base. The underneath side is unpainted and rests along copper strips which bond it to the cross members.

To make the contest in time, a temporary shortcut was chosen for the coax and antenna controller bulkhead. A piece of acrylic pane was cut and drilled to fit in the Ridgeline back window in such a way that it would not fly out. Coax bulkhead connectors and weather sealed grommets were inserted and reinforced for the transmission line and the antenna controller cable.

0x01 graphic

0x01 graphic

This temporary “shortcut” worked surprisingly well. Note the ferrite chokes on the coax and antenna controller cable. Chokes were also fitted at the antenna base.

0x01 graphic

The LT antenna was made more efficient by adding a mast extension above and below the coil, a capacitive “hat” and whip, all within an inch or so of the State motor vehicle height restrictions.

(Photo taken after contest.)

0x01 graphic

The antenna base mount turned out to be solid. Guy lines and turnbuckles were added to reduce swaying.

There was no time to spare before the contest began, but everything was working in time to participate and a few exchanges were made. The following narrative of the 2009 Oklahoma QSO Party Rover participation is taken from the author's journal.


March 17.

I've asked Dad if he were interested in driving for me in the OKQP, and he accepted. This will also give us a chance to visit some family and see some familiar places. He seems eager to go. This is going to be interesting, and a learning adventure...This is my/our first rodeo, so to speak, in mobile contesting.


March 23.

We did ride the whole 8 seconds during this "first rodeo," and it WAS the "learning adventure" predicted, and MORE.

The arrival of some materials needed to complete the mobile install was delayed until 6 PM Thursday, so I spent the rest of the night and Friday morning getting the vehicle ready. By that time I'd been up for 30 hours, so Dad was elected to drive on the way up. We departed around Noon Friday and checked into the Cheyenne Motel around 10:30 PM Friday...we had our Saturday morning breakfast at the Cheyenne Rockin' 'S' (cattle brand, not rock music) Cafe, (I had) a tasty Denver Omelet and (Dad had) a mountain of blueberry pancakes... Before we were ready to go, I discovered some show-stopping problems... (Requiring a few hours to correct) ...We stopped by the homestead farm nearby--as this was an ancillary objective of the trip. We also faced an unexpected obstacle of a bridge out, so we had to backtrack. I don't even know what time it was by then, but we were way behind schedule.


The VA QSOP was dominating the phone section of 20 meters, which led to my realization I'd left the shunt coil for matching 40 meters unterminated at the base. At this point I did NOT want to stop the vehicle. The analyzer said the antenna was resonating with good impedance across the 20 meter band, so I opted for 13 WPM CW circa 14.045 MHz. We were in the second county of the route by the time the first exchange was logged. Then I had the new experience of being at the bottom of small pile ups (do three simultaneous stations calling count as a "pile up?") I'd never "run" before, so I chose to listen to other "search-and-pounce" exchanges a bit to attempt to get the hang of it. That didn't help much, because very few ("none") were at 13 WPM or slower. We worked a few in the QRN (even with none of those nasty old power lines for miles) and somehow made it through the confusion I had over whether stations were calling me or someone else. I didn't know what to do except use the paddle and manually send "their-call-sign-plus-?" to which I'd hear "R R" and get the exchange. Time flies as fun is had, and I realized with a sinking, faux-pas feeling at 6:30 PM CDT we were going to be late for our dinner engagement with family just across the border in the State of Texas. We opted to skip the remainder of the route and stay in Ellis County. We turned West, drove a bit and parked on the shoulder just inside the Oklahoma border to work the few more that added to the diminutive log for the day.

...there is a drought up there right now...While we were parked on the shoulder near the border several cars...made double-"U" turns...to give us the once over, then once again, over, again. Finally, someone stopped and asked if we were chasing "that storm," and pointed vaguely to some mediocre clouds in the Northwest. My reply of "what storm?" did not appear to be encouraging news for them... QRN and QSB became serious foes and the contacts slowed down from snail's pace to zero. It was 7:00 PM and clearly, it was time to go. We arrived late for supper...but we did get there before dessert. As others had their bread pudding, I had grilled catfish, fresh bread, grilled squash and a lone pepper that had a heckuva lot more zing than I'd expected. And then bread pudding, of course. With coffee. I think my dad had a steak but I was too busy eating to notice.

The points scored for the day were greater than zero, but that is as much numerical data I will disclose. The bottom line is, we did get to Oklahoma and “QSO-partied" to WA, FL, NH, NY, NJ & CA all on 20 m CW, mobile. Imagine the feeling of working Staten Island, NY from a picturesque scene with the Sun setting over the plains, very much like the final images of the motion picture “Castaway," which, by the way, was filmed just a few miles down the road. It was my first time to do a mobile QSOP, first time to "run" in a contest and even the first time ever to do mobile HF--of any kind. It was my first time to crimp and assemble #8 AWG SB50 Power Poles, first time to violate a firewall, and first time to QSO with a screwdriver antenna. And it was fun. A lot of fun. My dad and I had a great weekend out, doing something we both enjoy. And we saw a lot of family. Therefore, I'd say that the entire experience fits my definition of an unqualified success. I'm ready to do it again--after some rest, that is.

This project/contest participation was done with the help of several experienced hams.

Many thanks to

Bob-KE5WUP

Chuck-NO5W

Colin-KU5B

Marty-W5MF

73

Larry-K5END

Member Comments:
This article has expired. No more comments may be added.
 
First Mobile QSO Party  
by N4CQR on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Nice... Very, nice!
 
First Mobile QSO Party  
by KJ4DLG on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Very nice installation, especially the window feed-thru arrangement. However, the rear eyebolts appear to be a bit of overkill size wise.
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K0BG on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Well, you did do a good job, but you didn't accomplish what you thought you did; build a good ground plane for the HF antenna. And, you probably could have saved a lot of work (and money) by buying one of the Ridgeline mounts from http://www.repdesign.us/.

It's important to remember, it is the mass under the antenna, not along side that matters. If you would have purchased one of the REP units, and mounted the antenna at one end, measured the input impedance, and then moved it to the center of the mount, and measured it again, you might be surprised at the difference.

Ground loss is the dominant efficiency factor you have to deal with (unless you're using a stubby antenna). As a result, even a one ohm change is significant.

You extended the mast, which is a good idea as length matters. However, in doing so you raised the position of the motor within the antenna. This fact increases the RF level which flows over the motor lead wires. Choking this RF is difficult enough as it is.

You certainly get an E for effort.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K5END on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for your opinion, Alan.

By the way, you have a great web page.

If one does the math (as we did) the result will indicate the configuration as is, including the bonding we did, is an RF surface containing no apertures of importance for any wavelength of 30 meters or greater and aperture models for this install at 20 meters wavelength range from 22 dB to 34 dB rejection.




 
First Mobile QSO Party  
by K9TY on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Very nice, Larry, and man are you brave to do you first mobile partying on CW! I have done the WI party mobile a few times now, all SSB. I'll never "win" because CW contacts get 2x points each, but I can compare my results to other SSB mobiles.

I also haven't tackled the mobile computer logging -- still did paper this year. But I haven't talked anyone into driving me all over for 7 hours either! :-D So talking, driving and logging (no chewing gum at the same time) was quite enough! I found the key was staying on the "hard roads" (4 lane expressway type roads) -- cover more counties and less turns/braking etc.

Happy mobiling! Hope to catch you on the bands!

Dave, K9TY/moh-bile
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K5END on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
At 14 MHz the number of chokes we used on the antenna controller cable provide a sum of 630 ohms. Is that enough?
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K5END on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!

"I also haven't tackled the mobile computer logging "

Check out CQ/X at www.no5w.com

That application integrates GPS and county lines, and has lots of bells and whistles. It is amazing.
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K0BG on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
<<If one does the math (as we did) the result will indicate the configuration as is, including the bonding we did, is an RF surface containing no apertures of importance for any wavelength of 30 meters or greater and aperture models for this install at 20 meters wavelength range from 22 dB to 34 dB rejection. >>

Huh? Please explain that paragraph to me.

Here a few things to consider. First, you really don't know what the radiation resistance is. You can get close (±30% maybe?) if you know the overall lengths above and below the coil. You don't know the ground losses either, and you can't get very close using just a calculation. Using EZNEC or NEC won't tell you either, as they don't handle ground losses very well, and since you don't know what it is, it's a little hard to calculate efficiency or any other parameter.

You can get an indication if you measure the input impedance. At least, you can compare one location or configuration to another. Part of the equation (in your case) is going to be swamped by the coil losses in the Lil Tarheel (low coil Q). That didn't change even though you lengthened the antenna.

Lastly, the fact there is no base matching in evidence, tells me volumes.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K5END on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"the fact there is no base matching in evidence, tells me volumes"

If you'll read all the volumes, you'll see in the caption that the antenna photo was taken after the contest. I assembled the antenna Sunday to take that photo for this article.

You should take note that the controller cable is also missing in the same photo, but maybe you didn't read that volume either.

I'm not going to debate this. I didn't just ride in on the RF turnip truck. In any case this intallation is preferable to burying the mast base on the bed floor of a pickup, in the corner and against the cab. There is a volume worth reading.
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by N6AJR on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
nice article, and good looking install. I have a DK-3 in the left rear corner of the bed on my pickup with a 66 inch whip and it works quite well, but in the car I use an ATAS 120 on a trunk lip mount ( 2000 dodge intrepid) as it parks in the garage and it clears the door, not as effective but very convienient, as I am disabled and have great difficulty getting in and out of the car to raise/lower antennas so the atas is best for the car, for me.

I enjoy running mobile and I am glad you are haveing fun with yours.
 
First Mobile QSO Party  
by KB2DHG on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
HEY GREAT IDEA with the window feed through! I am going to use that!
This is the kind of articles I like to see on this site!
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by W7ETA on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
FB article OM.
Great prose.
73
Bob
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by KG4TKC on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Excellent article K5END! Well done. It is obvious this was not the first trip you have made around an RF radiator,,:) Don't sweat the self-appointed experts who will start to pile on soon,as Jimmy Hatlo used to say.'They'll do it everytime'. Congrats on working mobile cw,I have never ventured out of the shack with my speed-x key or Bencher paddles,don't want to ram some poor innocent bystander,lol. I did once have a fb qso with a mobile/qrp op from the safety of the shack,,:) Thanks for taking time to do the article,73 es GL-KG4TKC
 
First Mobile QSO Party  
by K9ZF on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Welcome to mobile contesting!

One word of caution; It may be too late already, but mobile contesting can be highly addictive:-)

For HF contests, I prefer to run a "portable" station, with some wires in the tree tops. But VHF+ Roving is my addiction. Try doing all of the above, WITH YAGIS on board:-)

Good luck, and look for me in the INQP and June VHF QSO Party...

73
Dan
--
Amateur Radio Emergency Service, Clark County Indiana. EM78el
K9ZF /R no budget Rover ***QRP-l #1269 Check out the Rover Resource Page at:
<http://www.qsl.net/n9rla> List Administrator for: InHam+grid-loc+ham-books
Ask me how to join the Indiana Ham Mailing list!
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K9ZF on April 2, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Intended to compliment you on the nice pics as well!!

Most articles don't include enough pics. And yours are excellent quality as well.

Good luck, and look for me in the INQP and June VHF QSO Party...

73
Dan
--
Amateur Radio Emergency Service, Clark County Indiana. EM78el
K9ZF /R no budget Rover ***QRP-l #1269 Check out the Rover Resource Page at:
<http://www.qsl.net/n9rla> List Administrator for: InHam+grid-loc+ham-books
Ask me how to join the Indiana Ham Mailing list!
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by KE3HO on April 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
K0BG said: "Well, you did do a good job, but you didn't accomplish what you thought you did; build a good ground plane for the HF antenna."

A ground plane for the HF antenna? A noble goal, no doubt, but one that nobody has ever achieved in and HF mobile installation. A pickup truck or large passenger car is roughly 6 feet wide by 18 feet long. On 40M, that is about 0.046 wavelength wide by 0.14 wavelength long. The very best of engineering practices combined with the best of intentions (and you can even throw in a liberal sprinkling of Tinker Bell's magic pixie dust and a strong tail wind) won't turn the truck or car into a "ground plane" for HF.


K0BG said: "You certainly get an E for effort."

That's a bit harsh, I think. He could have done a LOT worse. For example, he could have mounted his antenna down INSIDE the bed tucked TIGHTLY into the left front corner, thus ensuring the maximum possible capacitive coupling between the high current part of his antenna and TWO SIDES of the grounded truck bed AND at the same time putting the loading coil as close as possible to the roof of the cab. THAT would earn a guy an E for effort.

Nice article Larry.
73 - Jim
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K5END on April 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!


"antenna down INSIDE the bed tucked TIGHTLY into the left front corner, thus ensuring the maximum possible capacitive coupling between the high current part of his antenna and TWO SIDES of the grounded truck bed AND at the same time putting the loading coil as close as possible to the roof of the cab. "


I am very much relieved to know I am not the only one who had noticed that.

"the Emperor's new clothes"

I think there would be some inductive response, given the current in that segment of the antenna and the proximity of the surrounding steel. If so, that would imply the bed and vehicle body act as a non-concentric (more accurately, "non-coaxial") toroidal choke with its axis parallel to the longitudinal axis of the antenna.

Moreover,

In addition to coupling to the vehicle body, it's important to consider that the pickup bed and closed tailgate become somewhat of a cavity containing the lower 40 cm or so of the antenna, and the aperture of said cavity--the open top of the bed--is roughly 1.2/20 wavelength for 20 meters, 1.2/40 wavelength for 40 meters and 1.2/80 wavelength for 80 meters.

How is that not like using a bathtub for a counterpoise?

It would also be interesting to perform the calculations and determine whether the effective shielding of the aperture increases radiation resistance and renders an artificially high estimate of efficiency.

Considering the above 3 disadvantages, it may prove to be true that mounting an HF antenna to the vehicle exterior side or even the hitch mount are vastly superior to burying it in the pickup bed.



For what it's worth, I think it is more advantageous to "do the math" and use recognized sources (such as credible textbooks and ARRL publications) than to heed opinions posted on the internet. Anyone can be an "expert" on the internet.












 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by G0OTT on April 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I think its an excellent installation, well thought out and implemented.
Never tried a contest mobile, daunting thought, hats off to all the guy's playing :P
Regards Darren
PS:- sounds like you had great fun and will do it again so fulfilled your goal!!
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by W0CBF on April 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
We can all sit around and calculate all we want, but it all boils down to one digital question.

Does it work???

Nice job!

73's
Chuck
 
First Mobile QSO Party  
by K8QV on April 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Lots of work, and nicely done.

But is it just me? It's overkill and a bit over-engineered for a few stateside Qs on 20 meters. A Hamstick on a mag mount is more than sufficient for that.

Now a monstrosity like that working 160 meter DX - priceless!
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K0BG on April 3, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
One can assume any one configuration is better than another, and be incorrect as often as not. One thing you can do is measure the input impedance. While the input impedance isn't a definitive measurement for efficiency, bandwidth (as some have proposed), coil Q, or any other specific parameter, it will give you a good comparison between one location and another.

If there is an unfortunate part of this, few amateurs take the time to locate their antennas in different locations. Rather, they often choose the lessor of evils, and mount it in a less than optimal method; a fact I don't have an argument about. You do what you have to do.

My argument comes, when folks assume one parameter, based on another, unrelated parameter (measurement). The classic example of this, is using their log book entries.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
First Mobile QSO Party  
by N8QBY on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
It was a well thought out plan, and worked well. Naysayers aside, a very good article. Enough said. Give credit where credit is due. I know that is hard for some of you egotists out there.
 
First Mobile QSO Party  
by KW6LA on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Larry,

Very nice Photos and a first class installation. You went the distance on this one and it shows. I bet from the
looks, you get the Big S-9 reports a lot of the time with ur new Mobile. This > is < the righteous place to install the
Antenna on a truck. I went thru the same drill ( no pun ) with my Big coil Bugcatcher on the side of a Chevy Tahoe
and found the mast, coil and hat combo is as good as it gets ! My mast is 5 ft. + Coil and 5 more ft. of whip with the
Hat halfway up. I did the guys at first, but found them to be awkward and now have a out-rigor support of my roof rack.
Looks better and a lot stronger. On 40m and 60m This baby walks the big Dog with many S-9 reports. You might
consider a mono bar support off that great base bracket you guys made to simplify thing even more. I just love how
Hams continue to do it all with style. I complement your efforts and the results, we all can admire and learn from.
Mobile safe and hope to work you in my mobile one day.

Tony

KW6LA/M

 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by KQ6XA on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I must agree with K0BG.
Mechanically beautiful!
RF ugly.
The lossy motor drive choke isolation creates so much loss that it negates the advantages of the long base extension. Choking and motor isolation should be done at the lowest voltage part of the antenna, at the feedpoint. I would wager that the ferrites get very hot.
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K5END on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"You might
consider a mono bar support off that great base bracket you guys made to simplify thing even more"

If I understand what you are describing, that is exactly my intent. That would make another good article perhaps.

At least it would be a mechanical item and invisible to the RF, and those unaware of their own ignorance would not have anything to flame. :-)
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K5END on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"The lossy motor drive choke isolation creates so much loss that it negates the advantages of the long base extension. Choking and motor isolation should be done at the lowest voltage part of the antenna, at the feedpoint. I would wager that the ferrites get very hot."

Not really.

If you will read the article again, carefully, you will learn that chokes were installed at the base of the antenna.

If it is not obvious, the ones at the window were installed to choke any coupling that would occur after having had to string the lead through the air, as also indicated in the article was done because of the deadline of the contest.

That this motive was not obvious leads me to believe the authors of some comments have much to learn about RF.

What does confuse me is why anyone felt invited to submit his/her opinion. Where in the article is the reader asked for approval?

Any article this author submits is for the reader's benefit, and not for approval or analysis.

That one would invite himself to submit a negative opinion, without having been asked, does not indicate good taste.

By the way, the antenna tests and performed beautifully.
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K5END on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Alan, does this sound familiar? This is from an email you sent to me.

"Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:39:41 -0600 (21:39 CDT)
I mounted the HiQ in the place I did for several reasons. Not the least of which, I garage my Ridgeline, and the height needed to clear the garage door. It does, but just by 1/2 inch. But that's not all. I do a lot of playing around, so having to remove the side panels would have been a problem...
Alan"


Not included in the "reasons" were ground plane, impedance, resonance or losses.

Should not one practice what one preaches?

Now that's what I call, "the rest of the K0BG story."

:-)
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K0BG on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Larry, the exact same antenna was mounted on my Acura on the left quarter panel, as free and clear as I could mount it, and still support the antenna (all 9 pounds of it). Photos of both installs are posted in the Photo Gallery of my web site.

The unmatched input impedance at resonance between the Acura installation, and the current one, could not be measured using a MFJ 259B. In other words, the difference was within the accuracy error of the analyzer.

This is why I said you can't assume one location is worse than another without measuring the only factor we can measure with any degree of accuracy, and that's the input impedance.

Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
 
RE: First Mobile QSO Party  
by K5END on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
No one down here is "assuming" anything, Alan.

 
Warm DC Isolation Chokes RE: First Mobile QSO  
by KQ6XA on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Any article written on EHAM will have instant critical peer review. Some good. Some bad. That's part of the game of EHAM.

As for the previous wager proposed:

How hot do the DC motor isolation ferrite chokes get when you put 100 watts into the antenna for 2 minutes? Don't forget to check this on every band.

That is the real RF test to see if your DC isolation and grounding system is correctly set up or not. If none of the ferrites are warm, then the isolation is good. If not, then back to the drawing board!

 
RE: Warm DC Isolation Chokes RE: First Mobile QSO  
by K5END on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Yeah, Bonnie, we checked all that.


No hot mix 31 ceramics, no rf burns, no cooked motor controller.


No problems.


Things worked out quite well for the contest, as though "they were meant to be,"

so I SUPPOSE there may have been DIVINE MIRACLES

to compensate for all the LID errors that have been alleged by whatever

ZEN or CLAIRVOYANCE

method the armchair experts used for their post(ulate)s. Now therefore let us all pray that the wicked LIDs be delivered from their sins of HF ignorance.

But otherwise, we did OK.

Thanks for your concern, and keep praying for the poor in radiation, for they shall inherit the DX.



 
RE: Warm DC Isolation Chokes RE: First Mobile QSO  
by K5END on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
meant to say, "they shall inherit the QRP."

Don't know what "possessed" me to mistype that.

:-)
 
RE: Warm DC Isolation Chokes RE: First Mobile QSO  
by K5END on April 4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Bonnie,

By the way, how often do you key up 100 watts into an antenna for 2 minutes straight, 100% duty cycle, on each band?

What sort of a reaction do you get, or do you listen for one?

How hot does your radio get?
 
First Mobile QSO Party  
by KG4TKC on April 5, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
How wonderful is a laugh in the morning,,:) I couldn't help but have a nice one upon reading where a very gracious poster had termed the gaggle of grumpy old ehamers,all cackling and elbowing each other while vying for position to get to post the first negative comment or personal postulation of the original posters ineptitude right out of the gate,as'critical peer reviewers'. What a hardy L O L! And from where do these almighty 'peer reviewers' draw their unearthly power; why from their magical web sites of course,:) The oh so magical web site. Can you just imagine Plato with one? Mankind would be oh so different if only he had one,we would have a Philosopher-King,and everyone one else would be an Assistant Philosopher-King,and our talents would range far beyond anything ever attributed to the ancient Atlanteans. And what of Galileo? With a magical web site,his simple refracting telescope would have been a thing to behold,it would have made the Hubble Space Telescope as simple as a toy from the CrackerJack box. Whoops,gotta go,spilled hot coffee,this laughing in the morning can cause burns!
 
"'critical peer reviewers'"  
by K5END on April 5, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"'critical peer reviewers'"

Yep.


Consider three typical, subjective debate conditions:

1.) the debate opponent knows more than I about the topic,
2.) we have the same level of understanding of the topic,
3.) the opponent knows less than I about the topic.

Response function:
Condition 1: I may ask very challenging questions in an attempt to gain understanding, but I do not argue.
Condition 2: Mutual benefit can arise from intelligent debate.
Condition 3: I state what I know to be true and leave it at that. No sense in arguing with an ignoramus.

Keying up an antenna at full power, 100% duty cycle for two minutes, uninterrupted, on all bands just to check the low-pass ferrite filters does not bode well for a candidate claiming conditions 1 or 2--regardless of having written a book on CB, or having claimed to contribute to the technology in my Direct TV satellite receiver (and it, by the way, fails every time it rains.)



 
RE: Warm DC Isolation Chokes RE: First Mobile QSO  
by KQ6XA on April 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Critical comment review is a very good thing for an inexperienced author. It gives you a good perspective on how to communicate better with your readers.

When others flock to pay real money for your writing, and you sell a few million copies or so, you can claim the high ground, and tell the reviewers they are being too harsh on you. Then you can laugh all the way to the bank :)

By the way, your mobile antenna installation looks very pretty. There's no need to be embarrassed or defensive about the overheating DC isolation chokes... it happens to many screwdriver antenna installations.
 
RE: Warm DC Isolation Chokes RE: First Mobile QSO  
by K5END on April 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
The truth is, I'm laughing already.
 
Inexperienced Author  
by K5END on April 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
You get a "C-."


"Critical comment review is a very good thing for an inexperienced author. It gives you a good perspective on how to communicate better with your readers."

Points off for inconsistent or improper use of grammatical person.

"When others flock to pay real money for your writing, and you sell a few million copies or so, you can claim the high ground, and tell the reviewers they are being too harsh on you.

Points off for run-on sentence.

"Then you can laugh all the way to the bank "

Points off for punctuation.

 
Email Subscription
You are not subscribed to discussions on this article.

Subscribe!
My Subscriptions
Subscriptions Help

Related News & Articles
USA 5 MHz Emcomm, Not Ragchew DX Contests
Warnings from Icom
Where Do I Go from Here?


Other Recent Articles
Student Sends MIT Letter to Space:
Amateur Radio Club Talks to Hams Worldwide on Centennial:
New Communication Exhibit Helps Kids Get the Message:
Transmission of Images - No Internet, Satellite, Cable, or Cells Needed!
Deltona Youth Loves to Ham It Up on the Radio: