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Ten Tec Tour
Johnny Angel (W4XKE)
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There was a time in our history when most of the products we used were American made. Today we often have trouble finding brands with a familiar U.S.A. trademark and even then, the item is often manufactured outside our borders and sold with a domestic name like Chevrolet, RCA or Westinghouse. Frequently, the final assembly is performed locally from foreign components. These practices have led to many heated discussions as politicians press for bills such as the Fast Track legislation, opening our borders with free trade to Canada and Mexico.
In theory, our nation will become stronger in the long run by setting a global example of open trade relations with third world countries. This is one of the few areas where United States policy is not determined by short-term goals, to the dismay of many working-class Americans who are labeled Protectionists for their views on keeping high-paying manufacturing jobs at home. These folks are responding to the evolution that is now taking place, transforming our nation from a manufacturing to a service-oriented state. Average educated citizens must accept lower paying jobs with fewer benefits and little or no retirement packages. Only the highly skilled and extensively educated will earn the corporate positions with respectable salaries and benefits, yet even they are not likely to accumulate more than a few years seniority with any single employer.
As a radio amateur, I fondly reminisce of bygone days when our radio equipment was almost entirely domestically produced. Most of these companies grew from a single individual with a garage workshop into the corporations they were later to become. Names like Collins, Drake, Hallicrafters, Hammarlund, Johnson, Swan and Heathkit have now been replaced with others such as Yaesu, Icom, Maha, Japan Radio and Daiwa. The new technologies resist home building to a large degree, being about as practical as building your own cell phone.
One American electronics company that has not only endured, but actually leads the way in technological advancement, is right here in our home state. Named Ten Tec for Tennessee Technologies, it continues to produce quality, American-engineered and manufactured equipment for radio amateurs and remains to be an important supplier to the United States government. Many hams prefer to purchase Ten Tec products over the rice boxes being promoted by leading retailers in the electronics industry. Crossville's own Walter Morris, W4PTI, is one of those individuals. When a trip to tour the Ten Tec facility in Sevierville was announced at the local ham club meeting, Walt was quick to accept the invitation.
I talked with Walt as we traveled east on I-40 and discovered that he had learned Morse code in the military in 1946, becoming a career radio operator that brought him through the postwar era, Korea and even Vietnam, as he was called up on special assignment. As an amateur radio operator and member of the Plateau Amateur Radio Club, Walt continues to provide world emergency communications from his home on a Ten Tec transceiver. He recently sold his Pegasus radio to club president, Joseph Koester and has made plans to buy a new Omni VI Plus.
The Pegasus has no control panel and appears to be only a box with some cables connecting it to a personal computer. Software provides the image of a radio face on the computer monitor and the radio is controlled entirely by the keyboard and mouse. One of the most incredible features I saw on the Pegasus, was a graph illustrating an entire short-wave band and all transmissions occurring therein. It is no longer necessary to tune along the band to see what is going on, but only to glance at all of the spikes on the graph and click on each one to monitor the respective signal.
As we drove into the Ten Tec lot and parked in the visitors area, I noticed another long standing manufacturing facility just across the street. It was Electro-Voice, manufacturer of broadcast and commercial microphones. The building now stands empty, the employee lot devoid of any vehicles and a for lease notice is draped across the company's marquee. It was eerie to witness another fine company, now barren, as we stood in silence for a moment in an effort to comprehend it. I wondered what all the employees and staff were doing now. Some probably had moved away. Others are likely employed in Sevierville's entertainment, tourist or food service industries at a considerably lower wage. I was encouraged by the prospering presence of Ten Tec.
Scott Robbins, W4PA (Amateur Radio Product Manager) greeted us warmly at the sales counter and gave a brief history of the company. Ten Tec was a culmination of the efforts of two men who became partners in creating a product from modest beginnings. Al Kahn, K4FW, continues as president, leading the organization since 1968. I was greatly inspired and impressed as Scott showed me through the manufacturing processes that have been developed to overcome fierce world competition. Few U.S. companies in the business have managed to survive, let alone lead the industry in innovation and technology. Near the end of the tour I saw several new Jupiter radios on the burn-in rack, completing final testing before being shipped to customers. I could sense the pride of the people at Ten Tec in producing this latest model and I felt very proud to be an American and a Tennesean, sharing a day in the life of their success story.
Scott Robbins, W4PA (Amateur Radio Product Manager)
Just down the hall from their showroom is the radio room where all Ten Tec radio models are set up and functioning for the evaluation of visiting customers. Walt switched a cable from the beam antenna, outside, to a Pegasus and showed me some of it's many features. Knowing I had recently purchased a Scout, he then went over to the Scout installation and began making a contact with a fellow in England. The radio has Iambic Keying that automatically sends dits when a pair of paddles are pressed to the left and dahs when they are pressed to the right. I watched as Walt manipulated the paddles to send a string of Morse code that sounded to me almost like a packet transmission. This was my bread and butter for many years during my career in the military. he explained. Walt wasn't writing anything down. He was just listening with his head cocked a bit to one side and interpreting verbally to me: This fellow is near York... his name is Geof... he is operating a Kenwood rig... with a dipole antenna. The code was coming back at about the same rate that Walt had sent it. It was so fast, I could only pick out an occasional letter from the character string as I marveled at the expertise demonstrated by these two veteran operators.

Walt Morris, W4PTI on the paddles at Ten Tec.
During the ride back to Crossville, Walt and I talked of the changes he had seen over the years. I began paying more attention to the many homes flying flags honoring the United States and Tennessee and yes, even the Confederacy. These are some of the things that have made this country great and the people who have been a part of it. What a wonderful day!
Author, Johnny Angel W4XKE
You can visit the Ten Tec factory at 1185 Dolly Parton Parkway, Sevierville, TN 37862, USA or online at their web page http://tentec.com or by phone at (865) 453-7172.
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by W2RBA on July 20, 2001
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Thanks, Johnny, for the inside look at Ten-Tec. I've been a Ten-Tec fan since 1978, when I first encountered a Triton at the UVa club station -- I couldn't believe how quiet yet sensitive the radio was! Though I had been a ham for 12 years, that encounter marked a new beginning for me as a Ten-Tec collector and user. Nothing against the Japanese rigs, I'm sure their adherents are quite pleased with them (heck, I own an Icom 25A and a Yaesu FT-817 and am quite pleased with both), but the Ten-Tec folks have great equipment and a great repair/parts organization. I've currently got a PM-3A, Century 21, Argonaut 509, Triton IV, Corsair, a T-Kit 30 meter transceiver and the latest acquisition, a Jupiter. All are great rigs! Bravo Ten-Tec! I hope you continue to prosper!
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by VE2XLT on July 20, 2001
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I appreciate the TenTec! Pity that Canada would never afford Ham Radio manufacturing....Hope at least one US
company will survive.....But i keep Heathkits from the Hamfest and Hope to get Corsair-2 one lucky day :-)
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by AC0X on July 20, 2001
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I thought this article was going to be a written tour on an innovative and successful American amateur radio manufacturer. Instead it's 50% political diatribe on the "evils" of free trade (if that's what your article is about, tell us, don't hide your editorial behind the guise of a factory tour) and 25% out and out racist (no matter what you think of the quality of what comes out of the "Kenyacom" factories, calling them "rice boxes" is insulting to all the JA hams who frequent this site).
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by WA9PWP on July 20, 2001
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Hooray for Ten Tec! Keep up the good work. Just last week I worked Al Kahn K4FW on 40 CW QRP. He answered my CQ! He is still a good CW op at age 95. He modestly said he is "still on the board" at Ten Tec. I think all hams, especially QRP operators, owe a big debt of gratitude to Ten Tec.
73, Paul
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by W4XKE on July 20, 2001
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Perhaps an explanation of the article would be in order. First of all, I do apologize to anyone who felt insulted by it and secondly, no one at Ten Tec is responsible for my comments and opinions. Among my closest friends, one is Japanese, one is Black and I, myself, am a quarter American Choctaw and a bunch of other European representations thrown in. I have the highest regard for people of all ethnicities. I would like to be able to travel abroad and would love to live for a time in Mexico, become friends with the common people there and to learn their language. Ham radio is the next best thing for me, I suppose.
Concerning the derogatory term, let me explain that I can separate the people themselves, from their governments. As humans, we all have various prejudices and I am personally very prejudiced against oppressive and tyrannical governments and corporations. The strategy of Japanese corporations is not to compete in a market or even to dominate it. Their goal is to totally destroy any competition at all costs. Typically this is done by procuring governmental subsidies, selling the product at less than it’s manufacturing cost and refusing retailers a franchise on the “great deals” unless they drop all competitive, domestic products from their shelves. Once the domestic competition is eliminated, the market is “owned” and the prices go up accordingly. (Ever wonder why you never see Ten Tec radios advertised by HRO or Universal? Ten Tec decided to do it’s own marketing after Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu and the others forced their products off the shelves.) There is a big difference between “Free Trade” and “Fair Trade.” I have little or no regard for governments and corporations that operate with diabolical tactics, be they domestic, global or within the private sector. I do have the highest regard for the people of all countries of the world and I look forward to talking with them upon every occasion. Respectfully, Johnny W4XKE
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by N8FVJ on July 20, 2001
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Nice article. I bought a OMNI V and was amazed by the receiver. I really like the variable frequency audio filter. Summer static is no big deal anymore. The crystal clear, accurate audio is another plus. Stations the other newer mid-priced import radio could not copy, this radio provided 100% copy under the horrible conditions- I am not kidding!
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by K3SUI on July 20, 2001
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Great article about a great company. I have many Ten-Tec products and love everyone of them. Good photos. Maybe a little heavy with political retoric, but a good article, never the less.
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by K4LNX on July 20, 2001
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I'm really suprised by this article. How can eHam.net encourage (by way of posting) such hate speech? They'll be quick to censor a "First Post!" but they allow this to get by in the form of an article?
I'm very dissapointed. Please have some consideration for your fellow human beings.
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by KG4ODX on July 20, 2001
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Thanks for the Ten-Tec tour Johnny, I enjoyed being able to put a face (or two) with the company name.
As for the "ricebox" comment, well we live in "politically correct" times. It was clear to me that no harm was intended by the remark and as far as the "editorial" sounds like you hit the nail on the head.
Thanks for taking time to share your tour!
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by AC0X on July 20, 2001
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Hello Johnny
First, I don't deny you your right to post your opinions and comments about fair trade/free trade. In fact, I commend that you actually sign your articles as opposed to the many gutless wonders on eham who hide behind the "anonymous" moniker. I just feel that "editorials" should be labled as such, that's all. Secondly, as far as the comments you made that I called "racist", maybe I was a bit extreme with that label. Instead of calling your comment "racist", I probably should've said "too broad". You meant to throw a verbal cherry tomato at the various executives at Kenyacom, but your comment was more akin to hurling a truckful of pumpkins at him, which very likely hit more than the intended.
73 es gud dx
Lou AC0X
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by KM4DT on July 20, 2001
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I just love the so-called "TOLERANCE" of those of you that disagree with the author's opinions. Perhaps you should look up the word in the dictionary in case you're really not clear about its meaning. I guess free speech means anything that you happen to agree with and nothing that you don't. Am I right?
By the way, my XYL is Japanese so I certainly have no ill will toward the Japanese. However, I absolutely agree with the author and his view of the Japanese business model. I.E., it has been "Japan Incorporated."
On-the-other-hand, the U.S. has many laws on the books that prevent us from operating in a similar manner. Perhaps some of those should be reconsidered to keep us competitive. We certainly need to look out for our own interests and I fully expect Japan to do the same. That's life folks!
Incidentally, this P.C. tactic of labeling everything as "HATE" speech is getting a little tiresome. Why don't you folks on the left (liberals) come up with something new just to make life interesting?
People, your own venomous replies could quite correctly be labelled "HATE SPEECH." Let's start pulling the logs out of our own eyes before we offer to pull the splinters out of our neighbor's eyes.
<Alan>
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by AC0X on July 20, 2001
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Alan,
I agree with you that the terms "hate speech" and other Politically Correct labels have limited the ability for people to debate anything by the fear of having those terms applied to them. My problem was the authors use of a term that insulted a large group of people when his intent was only to criticize the quality of the products from and the actions of a few corporations. Avoiding insulting large groups of people when your intent was only specific individuals isn't simply a "politically correct" thing to do, it's actually a "respectful" thing to do.
73
Lou
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by N3DFV on July 20, 2001
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Great article. Just purchased a Pegasus which will be my first Ten Tec radio. Can't wait for it to arrive.
To the left wingers that have a problem with the orginal article...... get a life........
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by W7DAH on July 20, 2001
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Hello Johnny!
Thank you for sharing your Ten-Tec experience. I'm glad you did. Personally, having read some of the responses to it, if it had been me, and hindsight being 20-20, I might have chosen to divide the articles into separate parts addressing the tour, the loss of American manufacturing, etc, individually. I think that was Lou - AC0X's only legitimate beef. Ah, who knows, maybe Lou's day gig is editor for the N.Y. Times or Washington Post. I was impressed with your measured and logical response to the critics.
But HEY, unlike Lou - ACOX, and Alan - KM4DT, I read and enjoyed the parts I liked, and left the rest on the page. None of it evoked a desire to comment on the "rice" thing, even though I probably fit into that liberal-leftie label that Alan was so graciously directing at who-the-heck-knows-who, lol! ;) Seeing those responses gives me pause to consider whether or not I am a "racist" myself. I think it was Alan, who was casually tossing that label around. Everytime some kid races past my house at 80-mph in one of those popular, little, lowered, exhaust-modified, Japanese cars, after midnight, I have been heard to mutter something rude about "Rice-Rockets" in general. Hmmm, maybe I should pause to check with Alan, or with Lou, or perhaps I should at least seek out a conservative member of the Republican party for permission, before I mutter such things in the future (NOT)!
So far, I haven't seen any posted comments from JA callsigns, maybe I just overlooked them, I hear they're generally short in stature ;), or perhaps Lou and Alan are their appointed spokes*persons*, maybe? (notice I didn't use the less politically correct "spokes*men*" ... that should count for a few atta-boys, huh? Oops! I bet that "boys" thing probably tweaked a few readers, sorry!)
Well, I guess I've belabored this a bit much, so I'll save my concerns about Ten-Tec's product pricing and market-positioning of their Model 526 ("6N2") rig for a separate comment, so I don't paint with too broad (geez, is it ok to use the word "broad"?) a brush, and overwhelm anyone who may CHOOSE to read my comments. Geez.
73,
Don - W7DAH
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by K5TMA on July 20, 2001
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... besides, the United States is at least number two if not number one in rice production -and- export!
Some folks need to "get a life."
Thanks for the Ten-Tec article. The new Jupiter is on my shopping list when I finally make it into HF.
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Anonymous post on July 20, 2001
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Scott Robbins at Ten Tec needs a haircut.
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by VE8NX on July 20, 2001
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oh, now we're a third world country?!? Maybe we should come back and burn the white house AGAIN ;)
But all that 'marican prejudice aside, i have used Ten Tec equipment and find it to be of very good quality and the service they provide is top notch.
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by KB3CDF on July 21, 2001
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Dayton Ham Fest'
TEN TEC Tour
Harley Davidson Factory ....
Graceland
RT 66w
HC8 qrp
Land without neighbors and HOA
100 foot tower with tribander et al
The list grows...
TKS N 73s
John DE KB3CDF
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by N8UEE on July 21, 2001
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Thanks Johnny for the article and giving an americian company some well deserved recognition. I don't see how someone could about Ten-Tec and not include a little bit of history.
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by CCCCCCC on July 21, 2001
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The author is trapped in the cold war. The racial slur of "rice boxes" is pathetic.This kind of mentality is exactly why i got out of Ham radio ages ago.
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by K8MRS on July 21, 2001
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Something to ponder fellow amateurs:
This originaly was by a writer to the SPOTLIGHT magazine February 10th, 1992
"PAYDAY"
His car, television, computer and VCR were made in Japan. His clothes were made in Hong Kong. His shoes were made in Brazil. His sheets and towels were made in China. His steel and tools were made in Korea.
He bought all of these foreign - made products under the pretext that they were superior to American products. He doesn't realize buying foreign made products has destroyed his industries, his children's future and the future of his nation.
He should have learned one lesson. Those foreign nations he gave his job to don't pay his unemployment benefits or provide for his family.
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by WQ8Q on July 21, 2001
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What's missing in this article (unless I missed it) was the fact that Ten-Tec is having an open house and hamfest on the factory grounds September 28th & 29th 2001, with factory tours every 15 minutes . . . they'll even direct you to a local motel owned by hams. I've just ordered a Pegasus (couldn't pass up the offer of a free remote tuning pod) and it will be here Monday. Ordered it on Friday. What a great company, and every one I deal with there has ham radio callsigns after their names. Not only does it seem to be a great company with a great product, but everyone there seems to enjoy what they do. I think they're actually (gulp) having FUN!
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by AB4JC on July 21, 2001
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Thanks for taking the time to post this great article....Pictures were also great.
Bill Martin, AB4JC
Deltona, FL
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by KG6AMW on July 21, 2001
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John, you now know the pitfalls of writing for the public. Your wrote with the best of intentions and did not mean to offend anyone. EHAM editorial staff (where the hell are you guys?) You should screen these articles and help those who are new to writing to avoid problems.
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by KI8DJ on July 21, 2001
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I want to applaud the author for his excellant article.It is encouraging to see there are a few hams who are not right wing radicals hopefully some people will be influenced by writings like this and things will begin to slowly change.I am a steelworker in an iron mine and so called fair trade is about to wipe out the u.s. steel industry.We cannot compete with subsized imports made by workers making a dollar a day.Wake up America we cannot be a thriving nation without manufacturing. free trade benefits mainly the rich.Go to a Wal mart store and check 25 products at random I bet you will find at least 20 of them are made in China.I think our stagnant stock market is warning of the economic disaster ahead.I am sure I will be scorned and ridiculed for this but I feel it needed to be said. Gary Nevala ki8dj
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by W5UX on July 21, 2001
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Magazines have editors who have the job of having you read what they and their sponsors want you to know. I think we have a right to know the truth and eHam is one of the few places we can get it.
Bob
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by N3DFV on July 21, 2001
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This is in response to KG6AMW's posting. What makes you think we want our articles and follow up postings edited by anyone. I found Johnny's article refreshing and certainly not in need of any outside influence. They vast majority of us are not editorial writers and we quite happy with what we put to paper AS IS!
To the eHAM folks.................Thank you for this open and honest forum. Please keep it that way
73 N3DFV
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by N3DFV on July 21, 2001
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This is in response to KG6AMW's posting. What makes you think we want our articles and follow up postings edited by anyone. I found Johnny's article refreshing and certainly not in need of any outside influence. The vast majority of us are not editorial writers and we quite happy with what we put to paper AS IS!
To the eHAM folks.................Thank you for this open and honest forum. Please keep it that way
73 N3DFV
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I'm not going to comment on the language used in the article, but I was disappointed to see that this "tour" wasn't exactly a tour...it was more like a personal and political history lession with a few pictures of people sitting at radios. How about an actual informative tour of the Ten Tec facility? Otherwise change the "teaser" of a subject line.
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by KG6AMW on July 21, 2001
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Don't get me wrong Sam. I don't mean the EHAM staff should screen articles for editorital content, but they should go over the article with the writer to insure intent or to clarify certain points. In this case, the writer's intent is to take the reader on tour of Tec Tec's facilities. When you bring in a political position, it takes the reader away from the the main point which is the tour.
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by N9DG on July 21, 2001
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Since this article started out lamenting the disappearance of American radio manufactures I will address that, and attempt to link those comments, as they are relevant to Ten Tec as a company. First, if folks are buying Ten Tec only because they are “American made” they are reality doing a disservice to themselves and to Ten Tec as company. Blind brand (or political for that matter) loyalty does no one any good. In the long run the companies that survive are those who produce what customers want, and are ones who correctly recognize true technological advancement, (sometimes this means taking a few bumps and bruises in sales because the buying public hasn’t recognized the future trend of technology as quickly). Of the 60’s era companies referenced in the original article many of them had left the ham market before Kenwood, Yaesu, or Icom were significant players in the American amateur radio market. Furthermore those 3 players weren’t even especially technologically cutting edge when they did enter the North American market, however they were market/marketing savvy and rode the rising shift of amateur radio into being more of a consumer market vs. technical. Ten Tec along with Atlas, Hallicrafters, Swan, Heath and perhaps others had all produced and sold 100% solid state transceivers before any of the 3 big name imports did (at least here in the states). Sadly the American amateur radio buying public didn’t reward them for trying to be innovative, instead they kept buying tube-based gear. Shortly thereafter many of the imports were hybrid designs which sold very well and captured a large part of the market, then followed by 100% solid state (market savvy?).
Are we about to see the same kind of scenario repeat? In 1997 Kachina entered the amateur radio market with the 505, unfortunately it failed to achieve critical mass in terms sales to sustain additional software and greater hardware development. At Dayton that same year Ten Tec was showing the prototype of the RX320. Those were the only two “software defined” radios there that were targeted to the amateur radio market. I can hear some say, “hey the Icom PCR1000 was there”, yes it was but I would contend it is not software “defined” but instead merely software “controlled”, a big difference. So what exactly is the difference? It is essentially the mindset of the designers, Kachina and Ten Tec both pursued the path of designing digital signal processing computers that were then configured to be a radio by software, and perhaps more importantly field update-able software. Whereas all of the imports (even to date) are essentially “standard” radio designs with DSP and computer control features added. DSP IF’s, or software control alone do not constitute a software defined radio. I will be willing to bet that one or more of the 3 major imports will soon introduce a truly software defined radio.
It is good to see that Ten Tec recognizes where the general radio design future is headed, I’m not as sure about the ham radio buying public at large, at least for now. So far the continuing cry is for more bells and whistles of the buttons, knobs, and blinking lights variety. Also there is a continuing strong perception that the only way to have a software-defined radio is to draw a picture of radio panel on a computer screen. This approach is generally pointless, Kachina to their credit recognized this as well, too bad their original user interface wasn’t further developed and/or redesigned, or that any third party developers came forward to try other even more innovative approaches.
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by N3DFV on July 21, 2001
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Well you (KG6AMW) still miss my point. You are suggesting that one change their article to suit "your" standard of editorial content. Call it anything you like from a tour to an outing. The embellishment with a peppering of additional content is the authors privilege. Not yours to censor. As to its being political in nature I find it more in the patriotic vein.
Keep those flags a flying.........................
"THAT'S MY FINAL ANSWER"
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by K1OU on July 21, 2001
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What I find disturbing is the rebuttal by the author saying that he has friends who are black, Asian, Indian, etc.....HOW PATRONIZING!!!!
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by KA8OCN on July 22, 2001
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Soon we will not be able to talk at all in fear of something we beleive and say being said to be Hate Speech.
I think anything that is not what Liberals think is Hate Speech.
I don't own any Ten Tec equipment, I have Icom and Alinco but I hope to own some down the road when I can afford it. I do a lot of psk31 on 20 meters and I have NEVER talked to anyone that had a Ten Tec that did not love it.
I like my Icom 735, I purchased it new years ago at Dayton but its like this I would rather have a Ten Tec.
To some degree its not just American verses The world its Big Verses Little. I know that I have just lost a job I had for over 23 years. The store had to close because they simply could not buy the product as cheep as the big boys are selling it for.
I shop at WalMart also but I dont like the fact that when big stores move in a lot of small stores close. I guess the good way to look at it is the customer wins as far as price goes.
Excuse me as I get off this soap box, Ok thats better
73's from Flint, MI
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by N8XMS on July 22, 2001
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About a month ago I also stopped in at Ten Tec for an impromptu tour. Their "southern hospitality" was great and I had a wonderful time. I ended up buying a little QRP kit which I am still in the process of building.
I do agree with an earlier comment regarding the use of emotionally charged phrases like "rice box." Global competition is today's reality. My Ten Tec kit, like my Ford car has a lot of "off shore" components in it.
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by W9AC on July 22, 2001
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Yet another anonymous wrote:
"John, you now know the pitfalls of writing for the public. Your wrote with the best of intentions and did not mean to offend anyone. EHAM editorial staff (where the hell are you guys?) You should screen these articles and help those who are new to writing to avoid problems."
Why? The last thing we need are editorialized articles here on eHam.net. This is a forum for posting and expressing simple and informative ideas without the need for the complicated publishing rules you find in the printed literature. Let the author speak...I'll decide.
Regarding the use of the benign language used in the original article: You must be kidding. I doubt that calling a transceiver a rice box is considered offensive by a reasonable person standard among oriental population or any other population. I'm sure there are plenty of other similar American euphemisms that other cultures create regarding our products that we do not consider offensive. We're talking about a tranceiver here, not a national flag. Unless you're within that class of people, your perception of what this class regards as being offensive is purely hypothetical. Please, stop trying to protect us from ourselves.
I enjoyed the article and I'm a proud supporter of Ten-Tec and several Japanese manufacturing companies. Anyone that cares to do a better a job of re-writing this article should submit their ideas to eHam.net. It's sure is easy to sit back and critique the work of another.
-Ciao
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by W4PA on July 22, 2001
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N9DG wrote:
>Since this article started out lamenting the >disappearance of American radio manufactures I will >address that, and attempt to link those comments, as >they are relevant to Ten Tec as a company. First, if >folks are buying Ten Tec only because they >are “American made” they are reality doing a >disservice to themselves and to Ten Tec as company. >Blind brand (or political for that matter) loyalty >does no one any good. In the long run the companies >that survive are those who produce what customers >want, and are ones who correctly recognize true >technological advancement
I think that relatively few of our customers purchase our equipment solely because it's American made. USA manufacture certainly is a factor, but if Kenwood and the other Japanese companies are building ham gear that the amateur community at large perceives as being a better value than our equipment is, the Japanese companies are going to have no problem selling to U.S. hams. We (and I) are very aware that Ten-Tec has to compete based on performance, features and price all together. If we're perceived as equivalent to the Japanese companies, having products that are American made can give us the edge. If we're producing an item that the ham community judges to be less value than something comparable that the Japanese have, it's very hard for "Made In USA" to make up for that.
We're all very proud of what we do at Ten-Tec; we all work very hard to try to offer good products and offer the kind of service everyone would want to have.
I can't seem to ever take a minute away from doing something related to the company - here we are on Sunday afternoon after I worked my usual 50 hour week Monday to Friday and spent all day Saturday at the NAMM show in Nashville recruiting new business for our contract enclosure manufacturing. Doing whatever it
takes, as usual! :-)
Anonymous wrote:
>Scott Robbins at Ten Tec needs a haircut
My hair's about 6 inches longer now than it was in
the above photo. The large contingent of ex-military
employees we have at Ten-Tec like to rib me about it.
73
Scott Robbins, W4PA
Amateur Radio Product Manager, Ten-Tec
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"Instead it's 50% political diatribe on the "evils" of free trade (if that's what your article is about, tell us, don't hide your editorial behind the guise of a factory tour) and 25% out and out racist"
Read the Ten-Tec reflector some time and you'll see all sorts of anti-Japanese name calling. Pity the person who points out a flaw - he/she will be tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for treason.
Suppose a new Dodge Neon owner says "boy it sure is hot, think I'll turn on the air conditioning" only to find out that it won't cool the car properly in the summer months. "Oh we're so sorry sir, but you can't possibly expect a car in this price class to have air conditioning that will cool the car when it's 80 degrees outside" proclaims the friendly Dodge boys. "You should move someplace cooler" he says with a big old country smile.
You say your Honda Civic doesn't have that problem You're just an anti-American liberal leftist bleeding heart...
Hmmm, OT buys Jupiter only to find out that of all things that the rig, a TRANsceiver mind you, won't tolerate a high RF environment. OT is further told he has to get all the RF out of his shack. Doesn't seem to matter that Yaecomwood has equipment in the same price range that doesn't exhibit the nasty side effects, it is just the price one needs to pay to enjoy legendary RFI....er I mean QSK.
We're sorry your rig suffers from RF feedback in the shack. You should really use coax instead of open wire feedline.
What micro chirp? What fuzzy less than pure CW note? You're just an anti-American liberal leftist bleeding heart...
Don't believe it? Do a google search sometime on "Ten-Tec" and "(you're favorite japanese racial slur)" Some examples follow:
"MY POINT AGAIN FOR THE SLOW LEARNERS: Foreign (non American) companies don't do business like American companies"
"I agree, if you can't say anything nice about TT then don't say anything at all"
"I had heard from couple of "reliable sources" they (Kenwood) are on their way out of business. They won't be missed"
"I guess maybe they have lot of time on their hands while they are waiting for their Jappy rigs to get fixed. :)"
"I strongly suggest that you go out and buy yourself a "Jappy" rig (it's Dec 7th, Pearl Harbor Day here)"
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by K4LYP on July 22, 2001
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I pass Ten-Tec every day on my way to work, and every day I keep telling myself..... one of these days I *might* be able to afford a real radio! One of these days.
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by N5ZVP on July 22, 2001
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I'm disappointed in this article.
The author ruined what could of been an interesting article with a display of unnecessary nationalism.
When I buy a product, I usually (within reason) don't care where it's made as long as it fills my price, performance and reliability needs. I do try to support the local retail ham store instead of buying mail order if possible, due to the personal assistance they have shown me.
Once a bunch of older hams were shaking their heads and muttering about the Toyota I drive, which is assembled in the United States. I then ask them where their radios came from. You could see the light bulb click on above their heads at that moment.
Do I like the fact that many manufactoring jobs have gone overseas. No, but this is not the place to bring discussions of that nature up. Part 97 states that one of the purposes of Amateur Radio is:
"(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill."
73,
Chris
N5ZVP
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by ZS1DX on July 23, 2001
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Hi Johnny,
I really enjoyed reading your article, and looking at the pictures. Thanks for taking the time to write it, and post the images. Here in South Africa, we produced some great military HF rigs. My favorite is called the Grinel TR15 (Hopper). I'm not sure if it is still made. I used it extensively during my military service in 1985 -1986. I loved the fact that it was made in my own country. I imagine that it is the same for you as Americans, using the fine Ten-Tec radios.
Take care, and 73,
Christian ZS1DX
PS. Don't worry about the complainers.
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by W4CNG on July 23, 2001
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Good article, forget the Nationalist Attitudes, the blind posts, just Americana where WE live, work, and have the right to purchase what we want. The "Tree Huggers" need to get back up in the tree where the view is grand, but the time of view is always going to be very precarious! Do not venture out on a limb, lest it be cut off from the tree!
I have owned several "Rice Boxes" (term originated more than 20 years ago not yesterday so ("Where's the Beef?), all work well, also have had many USA Born and Branded radio's, all worked well. I chose what I want by reading, working, and getting intelligent input from others, many others, not negative comments. Nuff said, let's get on with more good articles here on E-HAM!
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by KB2GCC on July 23, 2001
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To CCCCCCC: If you "left Ham Radio years ago", what are you doing posting on this web site?
To the various article detractors:
1. If this article didn't meet your expectations of a "factory tour", perhaps the article could have used a different title, such as "My Visit to Ten-Tec"? It's better to have this article posted than none at all -- be grateful.
2. Free-market "trade" is what caused the demise of great American companies like Electro-Voice. Not a day goes by on the Ham bands that I don't hear someone lamenting the passing of a great American company. I think we have become deaf to this. After all, it is easier to turn a blind eye than to admit that *our* conspicuous consumption and greed can cause our neighbor to become unemployed. Facts don't lie; income inequality in America is at an all-time high. We *are* becoming a service-industry dominant society; our innovation *is* lagging. If you want to become enlightened on the matter, read the book "One Market Under God" by Thomas Frank. Our unbridaled capitalism *will* be our end. Signs of this are already there -- have you checked your 401K or your stocks lately?
3. To suggest that eHam.net should "screen" or "edit" article submissions is foolish and dangerous. You are treading on the First Amendment. I believe the extent of an eHam.net editor's involvement for articles should be in an advisory and suggestive role only, primarily focusing on grammar, spelling, fact checking, etc. Perhaps the editor *may* suggest "you might want to consider your tone here..." or "this may be considered profane to some readers..." but to do anything else is censorship. Dan Rather was recently criticized by his bosses for *refusing* to read any news about the Gary Condit controversy. Dan didn't want to read it...so it didn't exist on CBS. If CBS was the only news source, what would you do? How would you know? This scenario is what the First Amendment is designed to protect. The fact that you disapprove of the Ten Tec article *does not* mean that it shouldn't exist.
4. The term "rice box" is jargon in both the ham radio and computer communities. It is, unfortunately, a part of *worldwide* lexicon and is not uniquely American. It can be argued that it may be offensive to some readers, and as an Editor I might have suggested that it was inappropriate. I would like to believe the author used it because he was upset about the demise of American electronics manufacturing and not because he is a racist. Only the author knows for sure.
Commentary is great, debating is useful, however let's appreciate that the author invested his personal time and energy not only to visit Ten Tec but to share his experience with us. And that is a wonderful thing. It's time for all the naysayers and critics to get off their pedestals and show us *your* eHam.net articles, remembering that one article isn't necessarily better than another, just different.
73,
Carl
kb2gcc@hotmail.com
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The free trade folks want open markets. And having competed with companies around the world, I can tell you that the competition is fierce and yes, not always M of Q rule compliant. But free trade implies competing on the merits: features, price, performance, reliability, etc. Detroit tried the mediocre product route under the banner of "Buy American" and lost market share to better made automobiles from other countries. Contrast the comments in this article to those from the icom president in this month's "CQ". Who looks forward and who looks back? Who really wants to compete on the merits?
The article has been on eham for days now without a comment from tentec so one can reasonably assume that they are ignorant of the post (not likely) or are in agreement with the content. Else, why no comment from them?
"many homes flying flags honoring the United States and Tennessee and yes, even the Confederacy. These are some of the things that have made this country great and the people who have been a part of it. What a wonderful day!" Celebrate Jingoism or just good old fashioned down home racism?
TT, I was planning to buy an Omni but thanx to this article, I will never buy TT. Let those colors fly.
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"The article has been on eham for days now without a comment from tentec"
Check again, W4PA from TT did respond. I don't agree with his comments that "relatively few of our customers purchase our equipment solely because it's American made" - the anti-JA speech on the TT reflector shows that isn't the case. Ten-Tec fanatics can dish it out (slamming the "Jappy" rigs as one so fondly called it), but they certainly can't take it when you ask why the rigs chirp (Omni VI), have a raspy CW note (Pegasus/Jupiter), or drift (Scout).
The loyal fanatics (cult) should put the pressure on TT to fix these flaws. I'd buy an Omni VI Plus tomorrow if it didn't sound like a Viking II on a bad day and was stable to more than 30 Hz. If TT is going to survive in the heat of the competition they need to step up to the plate and address issues such as RFI, signal purity, etc.
Free market trade only hurts America when we let ourselves get surpassed due to our own lazy attitude. It's far easier to place the blame on countries like Japan and Mexico than it is to fix our own problems.
"Average educated citizens must accept lower paying jobs with fewer benefits and little or no retirement packages. Only the highly skilled and extensively educated will earn the corporate positions with respectable salaries and benefits".
Then why not get educated?
"Detroit tried the mediocre product route under the banner of "Buy American" and lost market share to better made automobiles from other countries"
Maybe because educated people realize there is an alternative to poor quality.
History always seems to repeat itself.
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by KB2GCC on July 24, 2001
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Anonymous posters have no backbone and I give their posts little merit.
It's interesting to note how many inaccuracies there are in the posted replies, and how much time has been wasted by others correcting them! Does everyone nowadays have A.D.H.D. or a case of the "stupids"? Perhaps this phenomenon illustrates the sad state of the American intellect today...and why so many of our products fail to meet the highest standard.
It is your right not to buy inferior products and to demand better -- I wouldn't fly in a space station that leaks, suffers two (or more) major system malfunctions a day and has computers in it that are constantly being re-booted. And don't get me started on the robotic arm. Some of the astronauts aren't any better -- Jim Voss left a 20-pound-plus clamping device in *uncontrolled orbit* last time he was up there. Jim's space garbage is now the equivalent of a small nuclear bomb -- anything it hits *will* be completely obliterated. All Jim could say was "whoops".
By the way, the Japanese radio manufacturers have their problems as well. There are a whole series of Icom radios from the late 80's and early 90's that suffer innumerable problems. My current 706-MKIIG has numerous flaws -- a useless noise blanker, numerous birdies, RFI radiating to/from the remote control cable, etc. The radio is not perfect. My Yaesu FT-90R has software bugs in it. Before you categorize Japanese or any countries' products as being superior, realize that they are *all* flawed in some way -- even the beloved equipment you own -- and deal with it.
I still like the article.
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I thought this article was going to be a written tour on an innovative and successful American amateur radio manufacturer. Instead it's 50% political diatribe on the "evils" of free trade (if that's what your article is about, tell us, don't hide your editorial behind the guise of a factory tour) and 25% out and out racist (no matter what you think of the quality of what comes out of the "Kenyacom" factories, calling them "rice boxes" is insulting to all the JA hams who frequent this site). >>>>
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Dude, Get a life! The guy was describing the tour and what is the miracle of Ten Tec's survival in the US. Pop some prozac and kick back with your "Rice Box" and make some contacts... Its people like you that give rice a bad name :-) ... Regards, N2ZD
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by N2OPJ on July 25, 2001
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Listen I had one Ten Tec in for repair more than I used it I got rid of the junk!
PATCOMM is much superior
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by WB5OAU on July 25, 2001
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Good article, and great to hear that TenTec is doing well. Its nice
to still have at least one domestic ham manufacturer.
Ignore the complaints....they're just political correctness run amok.
73
John
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by W9AC on July 25, 2001
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Another anonymous coward wrote:
"Ten-Tec fanatics can dish it out (slamming the "Jappy" rigs as one so fondly called it), but they certainly can't take it when you ask why the rigs chirp (Omni VI), have a raspy CW note (Pegasus/Jupiter), or drift (Scout).
Are you sure you don't own an Omni-C? Hmmm?
"The loyal fanatics (cult) should put the pressure on TT to fix these flaws. I'd buy an Omni VI Plus tomorrow if it didn't sound like a Viking II on a bad day and was stable to more than 30 Hz."
Zzzzzzz...the new TCXO results in rock-solid stability. For a modest fee, older rigs can be upgraded by the user or the factory.
Unlike the rice-boxes manufacturers, Ten-Tec offered its customers a CHOICE in upgrading their Omni Sixes to the Omni Six Plus model. Ten-Tec recognized that the fair and reasonable introduction of the Omni Six Plus must offer pre-existing customers the opportunity to take advantage of the newer technology without having to purchase a new transceiver. When did YaeComWood EVER offer that to its customers? When Kenwood TS-950SD customers (myself included) were burned with a multi-kilobuck purchase in the early '90s, where was Kenwood with an offer to upgrade to the TS-950SDX?
When Ten-Tec upgrades their Pegasus and Jupiter firmware, it is done at NO Charge to their customers. When was the last time YaeComwood offered a free feature upgrade. Want more? Ten-Tec STILL supports EVERY product dating back to 1969. What about YaeComWood?
More? OK, Ten-Tec offers a 30-day satisfaction guarantee. Don't like it? Simply send it back for a refund. Will YaeComWood back ALL their dealers with a 30-day no-questions-asked return guarantee?
"If TT is going to survive in the heat of the competition they need to step up to the plate and address issues such as RFI, signal purity, etc."
The market-place will decide not only Ten-Tec's survivability and future but the oriental manufacturer's as well. Get over the fact that Ten-Tec is flourishing while, as an example, ICOM is *still* trying to make a come-back. Even Yaesu and Kenwood have product lines that surpass that of ICOM. ICOM just announced their *third* generation of the 756 (756PROII) all within two years. I think I'll wait to try one next Spring when they release the 756PROIII. Or, who wants to hold their breath while ICOM offers existing 756/756PRO owners a fair upgrade?
Regarding the automotive analogies: There's an EXPECTATION that automotive manufacturers will release new versions of their models every year. However, if we were to take a world-wide survey of amateurs, I think its fair to say that few would expect that their $3K HF transceiver purchase will be replaced very year (Take note ICOM).
"Free market trade only hurts America when we let ourselves get surpassed due to our own lazy attitude. It's far easier to place the blame on countries like Japan and Mexico than it is to fix our own problems."
Zzzzzz...
"History always seems to repeat itself."
And Detroit made a respectable come-back after the American automotive depression of the '70s. Please educate yourself and if/when you reply, stop hiding. Are you ashamed of what you're writing?
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"Another anonymous coward wrote"
You see there is this box to check that says "Post as Anonymous". Figured that since eham went to the trouble to make the box I might as well click it.
"Are you sure you don't own an Omni-C?"
Nope, never have owned one. Nice try at guessing my identity and I can see how you might come to that conclusion. But I'm not who you think I am.
"For a modest fee, older rigs can be upgraded by the user or the factory."
Can they de-chirp and de-fuzz for a modest fee?
"Ten-Tec STILL supports EVERY product dating back to 1969"
Can you get a new display for the Delta II? I didn't think they still worked on the original Herc anymore either.
"Ten-Tec offers a 30-day satisfaction guarantee"
And that is indeed a very nice feature. However I suspect TT does it because they have to given their rather small marketing infrastructure. Many might not give them the time of day otherwise.
"Ten-Tec is flourishing while, as an example, ICOM is *still* trying to make a come-back"
You have just pegged the BS meter! IF TT were indeed flourishing why did HRO, AES, etc stop selling their gear? You mean to tell me that TT has sold more Scouts than Icom has sold 706s?
"And Detroit made a respectable come-back after the American automotive depression of the '70s"
Yes they certainly did. TT isn't going to do so by ignoring microchirps and fuzzy CW.
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"Ten-Tec recognized that the fair and reasonable introduction of the Omni Six Plus must offer pre-existing customers the opportunity to take advantage of the newer technology without having to purchase a new transceiver"
Can they add sidetone that tracks the CW offset or RIT to the Omni V? What about those "pre-existing customers"?
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"You see there is this box to check that says "Post as Anonymous". Figured that since eham went to the trouble to make the box I might as well click it."
Congratulations. Your're a coward who checks the anonymous box.
"Nope, never have owned one. Nice try at guessing my identity and I can see how you might come to that conclusion. But I'm not who you think I am."
Thanks for the emphatic denial. You just confirmed your identity.
'"For a modest fee, older rigs can be upgraded by the user or the factory."
Can you get a new display for the Delta II? I didn't think they still worked on the original Herc anymore either."'
Well gosh...when the OEM decides to discontinue the component, guess what? The part becomes.... unavailable! They still SUPPORT the product. Nobody claims that thay are held to a standard of ensuring that their suppliers continue to produce components into perpetuity. Axiom: You can't support what you can't get. Should manufacturers be required to vertically integrate their suppliers into their organizations in order to control the supply of components? The rice-box manufacturers suffer from this too.
'"Ten-Tec offers a 30-day satisfaction guarantee"
"You have just pegged the BS meter! IF TT were indeed flourishing why did HRO, AES, etc stop selling their gear?"
Rebates and dealer incentives. The Japanese manufacturers were offering rebates to the equipment dealers on a scale that Ten-Tec, (among others) could not compete. Could they have equalled these same incetives. Maybe. Maybe not. In any event, they made an excellent business decision and began selling direct. I'm glad they did.
"You mean to tell me that TT has sold more Scouts than Icom has sold 706s?"
Is the 706 a high-end, high-performance transceiver?
'"And Detroit made a respectable come-back after the American automotive depression of the '70s"
Yes they certainly did. TT isn't going to do so by ignoring microchirps and fuzzy CW."'
Thanks again for confirming my suspicions.
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I'm sure all you "compassionate" left wingers out there have heard the "rice boxes" words before, I'll bet even from guys at your local clubs or repeaters, and you NEVER said a word to them.. As soon as someone whose principles you disagree with puts it to print Wham! you're all over them like like a narc in a biker bar!!! This is just too much.... Political Correctness sucks! It sucks in ALL forms!! It'll be the down fall of our American society (read FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!) Ed O'Lena N1YLN
PS Voltaire said it best, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
PSS Oh Yea, Thanks for the great article on Ten-Tec.. Someday I'll own an Omni IV+...
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K8MRS....hmmm, cute little story. Too bad it never came true. Average American salaries are as high as ever (whether or not you have a college degree). Unemployment numbers are lower than they have been in a long time (the lowest they've EVER been since women entered the workforce en masse).
Folks:
Reality check: No matter what the industry is, it still needs people. Where people used to slave over drilling holes, punching steel and spray painting cars, now they dig trenches for fiber optic lines, install amplifiers for Cable TV, drive trucks to deliver the ever-increasing numbers of PCs that people buy, install DSL modems in COs when people order DSL...and so forth. Those are all non-technical, middle-skilled jobs, and they all pay $20 per hour more more. I live in California and I can live easily on $20 per hour.
I think the point's been proven. John Naisbitt, in "Megatrends" demonstrated that we exited the manufacturing age in the late 1950s. We have not been a manufacturing power for 40 years now. And we don't seem to be exploding! Sure, I think our society has problems, but they're not money-based, they're moral-based. I have had the pleasure of spending time inside the likes of Sprint Cellular, Time-Warner, Microsoft, and other well-known medim-tech companies. Believe me, the majority of the jobs do NOT belong to college-educated people. There are LOADS of jobs for everybody. Just because there aren't as many manufacturing jobs doesn't mean there aren't jobs, or that there they pay less. My own employer hires fresh-out-of-highschool graduates, plops them on our assembly line for one year, then moves them on to working with process development. We manufacture a little bit, so that's a good place for people to get their feet wet. We pay $18 per hour the first year. If the person shows growth potential, they get $28 the next year. The third year, if they also show team spirit, we put them on salary. No degree necessary. These are not difficult terms, either - out of maybe 750 people per year we hire this way, only 5-10 of them quit because they think it's too tough. We try to stay in touch with them, and what we see is that they quit the next several jobs because "they're too tough." We're actually pretty easy.
And we're not alone. This scenario is repeated thousands of times in Silicon Valley, and in Chicago (we do it there, too) and in Colorado (we do it there) and in the outskirst of Detroit (our competitors do it there) and Atlanta (lots of high tech firms do it there) and Dallas (a major hub of the communications revolution).
There is one way to guarantee that your pay will go down when the manufacturing jobs go away. Refuse to work anywhere except manufacturing. I'm only 40 years old, and I've had to make major career changes five times. There are three distinct careers that I've had that no longer exist in the US. At any pay rate.
This frenetic rate of change was not chosen by Democrats-or Republicans-or by any other politician. Or by evil lawyers or greedy capitalist business owners. Rather, it was chosen by consumers and their ravenous appetite for anything new, different and changed - whether better or not. And in any country that attempts to have a modicum of freedom in its markets, the business MUST gravitate to where the consumers are putting the demands.
That's why we're overrun with SUVs when it's the last thing the country needs. And that's why we're overrun with ham rigs with genuinely awful RF performance but lots of bells and whistles (the poorest transmit distortion and receive performance ever published in an ARRL lab report for a major manufacturer are the current Kenwood TS-2000 and Icom IC-718 - that tells us what consumers want!)
No conspiracy here, guys - we asked for what we got.
As far as Ten-Tec goes - I saw them at Dayton. Too bad they didn't let me demo a rig. The Omni VI sure looks like it's trying to buck the trend and offer real RF performance. Too bad it's more expensive than a decent spectrum analyzer. I keep on going back to my modified R-4B.
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High-paying manufacturing jobs?
W4XKE wrote: "...many working-class Americans who are labeled Protectionists for their views on keeping high-paying manufacturing jobs at home."
Just so there's no mistake here - Ten-Tec makes great gear. No disputes there. But they DON'T have "high-paying manufacturing jobs." I'm a well-known, highly-referenced, highly-published RF Designer. When I see Ten-Tec at a trade show, they make it a point to offer me employment. I ask what they can pay, and they give me a number. Believe me, it is NOT high paying. Even if I were grunt labor emptying trash cans, I would not consider it high-paying.
Like it or not, our economy and social system is not longer able to support high-paying manufacturing jobs. So, when we try to do what our economy doesn't do well, we end up paying our employees poorly.
My uncle sold his family farm to a big farming concern. I asked him why, and he said he got a lot of money for it. I asked why was it OK for a big firm to take over a small farm. He told me a metaphor. He said that it was like when Henry Ford developed the production line. As soon as Henry Ford developed the production line, it was no longer profitable to build automobiles one at a time at home and sell them to others. Likewise, the ways of Big Farming make it all but impossible for small farms to be profitable. So why do we want the gov't to support small farms? If it's OK for gov't subsidies to support small family farms, then dang it, I want a subsidy to support my desire to build a competitor to the Chevrolet Corvette right in my garage! Or a subsidy to build an IC-781 beater, as long as we're at it.
I like Ten-Tec. I'm glad they do what they do, and I enjoy my rig. But I do not moan the loss of manufacturing at large in the US. It made way for better things. And better jobs.
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Another anonymous coward wrote:
"I like Ten-Tec. I'm glad they do what they do, and I enjoy my rig."
Me too. I just wish they could upgrade my Pegasus to a Jupiter, if we were to take a world-wide survey of amateurs, I think its fair to say that few would expect their radio to get a front panel in a year.
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by KB2GCC on July 26, 2001
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Anonymous posters are like people who complain but don't vote. You are irrelevant.
"NOTONE" (i.e. anonymous) wrote: "Average American salaries are as high as ever (whether or not you have a college degree)."
Yes, but income *inequality* is at an all-time high, not seen since the 1920's. Again, if you consider yourself enlightened, read Thomas Frank's book "One Market Under God" or check the latest Gini index. American CEO's makes hundreds, sometime thousands of times more per hour than their lowest paid worker.
NOTONE: "Unemployment numbers are lower than they have been in a long time (the lowest they've EVER been since women entered the workforce en masse)."
Yes, but there are more temporary workers, part-time workers, workers with multiple jobs and workers with little or no health-care benefits. See "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting by in America" by Barbara Ehrenreich.
NOTONE: "No matter what the industry is, it still needs people. Where people used to slave over drilling holes, punching steel and spray painting cars, now they dig trenches for fiber optic lines, install amplifiers for Cable TV, drive trucks to deliver the ever-increasing numbers of PCs that people buy, install DSL modems in COs when people order DSL...and so forth. Those are all non-technical, middle-skilled jobs, and they all pay $20 per hour or more."
Let's check your facts. Let's look over the Help Wanted ads in the Rocky Mountain News, since Denver is an often-used barometer for comparison of average American wages:
Cable T.V. Technician, AT&T Broadband: $11.60/Hr. Almost half (!) of what you stated; jobs entails laying and servicing fiber-optic cable and associated components. This is "fast-paced, physically demanding work." An AT&T technician I know told me that the company scheduled at least double the amount of work she could do in the alloted time and refused to pay overtime. She lives in a trailer park, has been with the company 1 1/2 years and makes $12.75/Hr full-time.
Delivery Driver/Installer, Circuit City: $9.50/Hr. Again, about half of what you stated; job entails delivery and installation of PC's, TV's, satellite equipment, etc. Job is part-time only and provides little benefits. I went to a store and spoke with an installer; when I asked him how he liked his job he replied "I am a faceless serf; you gotta have a perfect driving record and they drug test you. Sometimes I get home after midnight."
DSL Technician, Qwest: $13.75/Hr. A little better here, but still only $29,000 a year (gross). Not an entry-level job; experience and college-degreed preferred.
I don't know what your idea of the American work ethos is, but sublime it isn't.
NOTONE: "I live in California and I can live easily on $20 per hour."
Did you see the article in the recent Los Angeles Times about the sad state of the California living experience? In summary, it states that unrelated persons (roommates) living together is at an all-time high. In some parts of Los Angeles (median family income less than $50K per year) there are an average of 4.5 persons living in the same house, 2 of which are unrelated roommates. The majority are living in small apartments and condos (1,200 sq. ft. or less). Home ownership in California is at an all-time low; with the median home price in California now at $252,000, you would have to make at least $75,000 a year to qualify. New home construction is at an all time high, however at the current build rate California is *twenty years* behind schedule! By the way, how will the state provide enough electricity for all these new houses?
I could go on and on but I suspect you are a Republican so you would never listen.
Notone, you would make a good CEO.
I am sick and tired of the spin...(nod to Bill O'Reilly).
By the way, have you noticed we are in a recession? Your pink slip may be coming soon. You read it here first.
73.
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"Anonymous posters are like people who complain but don't vote"
We shouldn't vote by secret ballot then either. That way everyone would know who is too stupid to vote.
"American CEO's makes hundreds, sometime thousands of times more per hour than their lowest paid worker."
Last time I checked it was called capitalism.
Perhaps those complaining about capitalism should ask residents of the former Deutsche Demokratische Republik (East Germany) how life was better with their Teltow 215B transceiver and Trabant automobile.
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by M5MDH on July 27, 2001
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For those moaners out there.. there is such a thing as the first amendment- the right to free speech. Some of it may think it sounds nationlist but you Americans have that right to say what you want...
eHam do have censors.. they edited some of my comments in a 'ricebox' review... perhaps if i resided in the USA they would not have been edited
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by K5YY on July 27, 2001
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Boy, I have read this crap and am dumbfounder. The likes of professional - type writers with perfect grammar and all sorts of deep thought ideas about calling JA people Japs and fearful of what to say or not to say, being left or right winged etc, ad nauseum. I read these things because they are NOT censored, they usually reflect a ham's personal feelings and ideas and usually there is no "undermining" thought process involved. Like one guy said, I read the initial post and forgot all the "potential" errors and politically incorrect inferences immediately . I guess sickos out there can read anything into everything written, then write their own opinions into a rebuttal or critique.
Ten Tec does make good stuff, Jap rice boxes have exploited the American market faults and we all are guilty of buying the crap. The USA was behind in technology and putting it to ham use when available. So on and so on and so on. There is a reason why new rigs since 1975 reflect Japanese marketing and technological advances over the US. I would guess rice box sales since Drake went out of business would be 100:1 over US rig sales. Why expound on why and when and how this happened? It did and it's done with. Let a guy make a post and enjoy his opinion. I do NOT want to read a censored version for obvious reasons. This is not North Korea or Afganistan or Yemen. We are free to give an opinion from deep within ourselves.
I just love you soothsayers out there, get your own TV program and argue an opinion on both sides. To the original poster - good for you, you were trying to be honest and you did hit on a subject that bothers a lot of us. The Ten Tec factory tour was a prelude to the underlying thoughts you expressed. I wish Swan, Galaxy, Drake, Hallicrafters, National, Collins, Heath, Eico, Howard, Allied,Davco, Gonset, Hammarlund, Lafayette, Knight, Midland, Morrow, RME, TMC, Sears,Echophone, Grove, Signal One, Geloso and other USA types could have stayed in the ham market. BUT, we didn't ; the Japanese produced and we bought. Do you blame them?! And HRO, AES and others sold us out when they were told not to stock USA products out of fear of losing some allotment of JA rigs. Do you blame them when USA products were not being bought anyway?! Blame ourselves, all 200,000 of us, for having contributed to some of what we now see. If Drake and Collins re-entered the ham market, watch out JA land. But, it won't happen cause ham radio numbers are down, sales are down, tooling up would cost a fortune and even Collins got out, and they had heavy pockets at Rockwell. That leaves cheap JA rigs, bells and whistles coming out every year, inferior products with new "faces" only. And the used market is flooded, nothing retains even 50% of its value after 5 years. The ham market is just not profitable. Ask dealers who fight over 2-3% profit per rig, all fearful of NOT stocking the JA rice boxes. What else is there to sell? These are sad times folks, but don't knock a poor guy who expresses his opinion. Take that from us and we are near the end of democracy. 73 all de " Mr. Concerned" . . . . .
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To the couple of guys who might want to respond to me, don't bother because I won't read any more threads on this Ten Tec subject. I am just supportive of the initial poster's opinion as 95% are. I am still "concerned" about what wasted time we spent on this subject and I too an to blame for that. Life is more important than to spend 15 minutes arguing on such a simple matter as this innocent W4's post. San
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by W4NJF on July 28, 2001
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Great article!I own a Scout and have worked over 100
countries on it on 20,15 and 10 meters using an old
12AVQ vertical.Only gripe I've got is no split VFO
so its hard to work dxpedtions where the dx is listening 10 up or whatever.Next stop is a Pegasus.
They have GREAT factory support and can be reached
on line if you have problems or want to make any
mods to your rig.I don't have any JA gear in my
shack because I was stationed in JA for 3 yrs and
saw firsthand that JA gear is NOT meant to be repaired;
when it conks out it is tossed out onto the gomei
pile and a new one is purchased.For example,I never
saw a used car lot over there mush less an electronics
repair shop.JA gear is good while it is running;after
that -sayonara.Also they don't keep a model in
production for very long.Its sort of like golf clubs,
you spend a grand or so on a new set and by the time
you pay off your Visa card,your playing partner looks
in your bag and sez "When ya gonna buy new clubs Bill?
Doncha know titanium is obsolete?"
Good Luck Ten-Tec!
73 de W4NJF
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Oh for crying out loud. The market is the market. If you have decent product the people buy it. The Yaesu's, Kenwood's and ICOM's sell well because they have good products. Its real simple guys, people vote with money every day for the best products at the best prices. Any other way and mediocrity sets in.
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by N0TONE on July 29, 2001
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KB2GCC wrote:
"Anonymous posters are like people who complain but don't vote. You are irrelevant."
--You wrote a lot of words in response to someone who's "irrelevant".
"Yes, but income *inequality* is at an all-time high, not seen since the 1920's. Again, if you consider yourself enlightened, read Thomas Frank's book "One Market Under God""
--Thomas Frank's book was wonderful. He was the first writer I've seen who was bold enough to acknowledge what anybody who'd been paying attention already knew: today's populist market is controlled not by conservatives, but by today's greedy liberals. The very same people who were flower children in the 60s, and me-first in the 1980s are today's CEOs. Bill Gates, Carly Fiorina, Larry Ellison - decidedly NOT Reagan-era Republicans as many writers would paint CEOs. Read down the list of the 20 most wealthy CEOs - all registered Democrats. My kind of people, although I wouldn't want to be a CEO. People who figured out the rules, and played by them to get what they wanted.
"..or check the latest Gini index."
Today's Gini index is 4% higher than 1968, which the compilers thereof consider "insignificant". I have not found a reference to 1920.
"American CEO's makes hundreds, sometime thousands of times more per hour than their lowest paid worker."
That is a shame in a way, but there aren't very many of those CEOs, so they don't do much to the statistics. I have met a few of the top 100 and would not want their lives of two cellphones to the head and never being able to see the spouses and children ensconced in those million dollar mansions.
"....there are more temporary workers, part-time workers, workers with multiple jobs and workers with little or no health-care benefits."
Quite true. Multiple jobs, temps, etc, are always at a high during major shifts in technology. As far as health care - we didn't really have that stuff in the 1960s when doctors were affordable...so "little or no health-care benefits" is hard to feel bad about since such things are new-fangled to me.
"Let's look over the Help Wanted ads in the Rocky Mountain News, since Denver is an often-used barometer for comparison of average American wages:"
I've never understood why that is. I lived in Denver for 22 years (until 3 years ago) and it was reasonably well-known that wages in Denver are very low for a city that costs that much. Governor Lamm used to call it "God's Country" in his excuses for why he did nothing to help with the wage problem. It also has a bi-modal distribution. There's a lot of agriculture in Colorado, and a fair number of wealthy people. Denver, geographically, is ideal for siting cable TV hubs, due to the view of the geosync satellite belt. So Denver has a very high proportion of CEOs. And overpaid sports stars. Actually, I'm more irritated that a quarterback gets so danged much - more than most CEOs, actually, and he doesn't do it by way of smarts, and most sports stars do not, on analysis, appears to be particularly financially benevolent to those less fortunate.
"In some parts of Los Angeles (median family income less than $50K per year) there are an average of 4.5 persons living in the same house, 2 of which are unrelated roommates. The majority are living in small apartments and condos (1,200 sq. ft. or less)"
Talk about spin - 1200 square feet is "luxury" class in most of California. My house is 750 square feet and costs notably more than the "median" you quoted, and I'm in a cheap area. And there are lots of people who'd love to have my house. It takes some real creative writing to make 1,200 square feet in California seem like pallid squalor! To see how people really lived when they were frugal, dig the numerous 500 - 600 square foot two-bedroom houses in Washington Park in Denver.
"Home ownership in California is at an all-time low; with the median home price in California now at $252,000, you would have to make at least $75,000 a year to qualify."
More spin. You expect the median price of a home to exceed the median income. If they're equal, or if the median price of a home is less than median income, you have an unstable situation. Those numbers always look like that, in every city, over any notable period of time (a few years). Remember, that statistic is median - not mean or average. It means that 50% of the homes cost less than $252,000 and 50% of them cost more. As far as "you would have to make at least $75,000 a year to qualify", the writer is clearly not in real estate. You qualify for an FHA loan if the monthly payment is 38% or less of your income. A family at the median of $50,000, therefore, qualifies for a payment of $1575, which is a loan principal at today's rates of $235,000. So they only need a down payment of $18,000 plus about $3500 in closing costs...affordability of a home has a lot more to do with financial discipline to save down payment. My heart does not bleed for my poor friends who drive two year old Lexus' but can't scrape together a down payment for a house. Scrap the new car, drive an old Chevy and they'll have the house in no time.
"I could go on and on but I suspect you are a Republican...."
We can disagree, but there is no need to be insulting!
"Notone, you would make a good CEO."
Still no need for insults.
"I am sick and tired of the spin...(nod to Bill O'Reilly)."
To avoid spin, quit reading headlines and best-sellers. Try The Economist or "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt.
"By the way, have you noticed we are in a recession? Your pink slip may be coming soon. You read it here first."
No, I did not read it here first. Many people have written exactly the same words. Newspaper headlines in the local (San Francisco) papers scream it all the time. The latest news: a total of 140,000 people have been laid off in Silicon Valley and the San Francisco environment since the start of the year. Man, that sounds big, doesn't it? It's about 2% of the local population. In much smaller letters in the same article, the author acknowledges that 75% of those people managed to find work again within a month. I wish that my periods of unemployment were only a month. Newspapers spin. That's what they're paid to do. Even if I do get laid off - no matter. I'm past normal retirement age; I work for the same reason I did 45 years ago. Because I enjoy what I do.
I find some things amusing. "Buy American", when the concept was new, was a Republican concept. "Keep manufacturing jobs in America" was, too. Now it's Democratic? What goes around, comes around.
I, for one, am extremely pleased to see that Ten-Tec and Elecraft both make receivers that hold some of the top numbers for IMD. In particular, Elecraft has demonstrated that it can be done in a $600 radio, and that any company who wants $2500 plus to gain entry into the "great" receiver class needs to think again. I hope Ten-Tec is listening. "Software defined radio" is a nice concept, but it had better have the sort of RX specs that the Omni VI does. Elecraft has shown us that it's entirely possible to get great RX specs without big bucks.
73,
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"few would expect that their $3K HF transceiver purchase will be replaced very year (Take note
ICOM)"
Hmmm, how about this:
*ARLB028 ARRL Petitions for New 60-Meter Amateur Band*
$3K Yaecomwoods are going to operate here fb after liberation (remove a diode). Same with the realignment of 40 meters. Will the VI plus be ok? Talk about obsolete.
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GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT OM. NOT EVERY YAECOMWOOD CAN BE MODIFIED FOR 60 METERS. AND EXACTLY WHERE WILL THE "60 METER" BUTTON BE PLACED ON ALL THESE YAECOMWOODS EVEN IF THEY BECOME TRANSMIT ENABLED FOR 60M? YES INDEED...TALK ABOUT OBSOLETE!
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>*ARLB028 ARRL Petitions for New 60-Meter Amateur >Band*
>$3K Yaecomwoods are going to operate here fb after >liberation (remove a diode). Same with the >realignment of 40 meters. Will the VI plus be ok? >Talk about obsolete.
<Chuckle>
The ARRL petitions for a new band and you make it sound like its a done deal. You've got a lot to learn about international law and the procedures relating to petitions for proposed rule making. Go away.
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WARC 79 bands took years to consumate then it was year more for the rigs to really come out with 18/24 and 10 MC bands. so most rigs by 2008 or 2009 are going to be obsolete in other ways anyway by then... Present JA rigs will be nonfunctional for most part by then! Or parts unavailable .
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Boy this sure got off the original subject!!! Never seen such expounding on California and Denver personal incomes and the size of houses and costs, etc. and % of income that is allowed toward a home purchase. Can we get back on topic and comment on the Ten Tec tour????
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"Can we get back on topic and comment on the Ten Tec tour????"
OK. Since the W1AW bulletins on 20 CW are a continuous advertisement for the OMNI VI, I'm a little surprised they haven't fixed the chirp. The 20 meter W1AW signal is an embarrassment. Excellent CW keying was once a Ten-Tec hallmark. What happened?
In the meantime take a listen on the CW bands. Pay particular attention to the rigs the best CW operators use. At one time Ten-Tec OWNED this market. Today that's not the case.
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by CT1DDW on July 30, 2001
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Thankyou John for your guided tour.
Here in Portugal he apreciate the american quality of Hamradio gear, there are several CTs who own colections of Drake, Collins, Swan, Ten-Tec equipments ( i own Atlas and Halicrafter transceivers - my dream its to get a Ten-Tec, i must keep dreamming because its very dificult in Portugal!).
I am journalist and redactor of the only Ham magazine here, i can certify that you John have the skills to the job!
For the next time geav us some more juice, because we ont to know more about the Ten-Tec.
Regards from CT1DDW.
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by K4CWQ on July 30, 2001
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I've taken the Ten-Tec tour four times and it was always interesting. The people there are always friendly and helpful.
It's the great service that makes Ten-Tec stand head and shoulders above all other ham radio makers. They support their products no matter how old, even the Power Mite QRP rigs they made 30 years ago. I once called the repair department on the day before most of the crew was preparing to leave for Dayton. I needed a fix on an old Ten-Tec 2-meter HT. The technician drew me a diagram and faxed it to me that same day. The service department will often send out small parts free or send out a replacement board before you return the old one. They go out of their way to make sure the customer is satisfied.
Many of the imported radios are good, maybe technologically better than Ten-Tec. However, I don't care for all the cluttered front panels with small buttons and menus. Give me my Ten-Tec Scout or Corsair or Triton anyday. My next purchase will be a Jupiter. While it's the latest in digital technology, the menus are easy to navigate, even without the manual.
I can't imagine buying anything but a Ten-Tec. If they ever go out of business, I'll probably quit ham radio.
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K4CWQ wrote:
>>I can't imagine buying anything but a Ten-Tec. If they ever go out of business, I'll probably quit ham radio.<<
That's a very sad thing to see in writing. I got into the hobby for cameraderie, the opportunity to serve the public, the possiblity of speaking to people in remote places...the radio is just the way I get that done.
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Anonymous number 6 or 7 or 8...said:
>>Boy this sure got off the original subject....Can we get back on topic and comment on the Ten Tec tour?<<
Uh, well, actually, the reason this thread is so diverse is because it's almost impossible to tell what the topic really is. Despite the article's title, it is not about a Ten-Tec tour. The article contains eight paragraphs. Only one of them actually said anything about what it's like in the Ten-Tec facilities, and even then only briefly. So you see a lot of posts that may not directly address the TITLE of the article, but they surely address the CONTENTS of the article. This article might have included a table of contents. I propose:
Paragraph 1: Things used to be American made. Now they aren't. No mention of Ten-Tec or the tour.
Paragraph 2: Disconnected ramblings about free trade, and somehow implying that in prior years, even those without education could earn high corporate salaries. No mention of Ten-Tec or the tour.
Paragraph 3: Reminiscing about earlier American ham manufacturers, and concluding by stating that modern technology is not home-buildable (despite the numerous magazine articles about home-buildling today's technology). No mention of Ten-Tec or the tour.
Paragraph 4: Ten-Tec is here in my home state. My friend Walt likes them too. (finally! a mention of Ten-Tec, but still no discussion of the tour).
Paragraph 5: Walt's history in radio and communications. By the way, he just sold a Ten-Tec. Still no mention of the tour.
Paragraph 6: I admire the Pegasus. The name "Ten-Tec" is not used in this paragraph, although one of their products is admired. No mention of the tour.
Paragraph 7: Electro-Voice is out of business (this news is probably a huge shock to the numerous EV employees). Their former employees now probably work for less money. Ten-Tec is an exception. Still no mention of the tour.
Paragraph 8: We were greeted warmly and I was impressed with the tour. No mention of any specifics on the tour, such as the existence of automated test stations or other modern equipment. But at least, he finally did mention the tour!
So please forgive the people who are not responding to the "Ten Tec Tour". They are responding to the 87% of the article that preceded the last paragraph!
I've been to the Ten-Tec facilities. I know why Ten-Tec does not have a "guided tour" on their web page. That might be why the article writer chose not to say much about the tour - it's not very impressive.
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Thank you ANONYMOUS for glowing report, paragraph by paragraph. Ashamed of your observations? I am ANON because I have no ham call. . John Bursch
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by N9DG on August 1, 2001
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W9AC on July 25, 2001 wrote:
“Rebates and dealer incentives. The Japanese manufacturers were offering rebates to the equipment dealers on a scale that Ten-Tec, (among others) could not compete. Could they have equalled these same incetives. Maybe. Maybe not. In any event, they made an excellent business decision and began selling direct. I'm glad they did.”
Another thing to think about are currency exchange rates because they do play a BIG role in the relative competitiveness of products and I’m also sure, help drive rebates. Yes directly marketing a product has a lot of merit (especially for domestic manufacturers) and in a small market such as ham radio it is a very good business decision, more ham radio companies should consider it.
N0TONE on July 26, 2001:
“And that's why we're overrun with ham rigs with genuinely awful RF performance but lots of bells and whistles (the poorest transmit distortion and receive performance ever published in an ARRL lab report for a major manufacturer are the current Kenwood TS-2000 and Icom IC-718 - that tells us what consumers want!)”
“No conspiracy here, guys - we asked for what we got.”
Yupp.
N0TONE on July 29, 2001:
“I, for one, am extremely pleased to see that Ten-Tec and Elecraft both make receivers that hold some of the top numbers for IMD. In particular, Elecraft has demonstrated that it can be done in a $600 radio, and that any company who wants $2500 plus to gain entry into the "great" receiver class needs to think again. I hope Ten-Tec is listening. "Software defined radio" is a nice concept, but it had better have the sort of RX specs that the Omni VI does. Elecraft has shown us that it's entirely possible to get great RX specs without big bucks.”
And the kicker is that all of the “software defined radios” (more importantly com port re-definable) to date have been American made. But I absolutely agree that software defined radio technology is NOT a “replacement” for solid basic RF performance. However good RF performance is nothing more than an engineering exercise in balancing performance against component costs, there is very little truly new technological innovation to be done in that arena. On the other hand there is much to be done on the DSP/software side of things, and that will differentiate the successful radio makers from those who will fail in the future.
Perhaps even more important than their technical achievements Elecraft has re-lit the passion for those like to build and tinker - the original foundations of ham radio.
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by K4IQT on August 2, 2001
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Johnny, thanks for the tour description. Though I live at Johnson City, just about an hour from Sevierville, I haven't been there in 5-6 years and did not know that E-V had closed. Too bad... there were a number of hams employed there, as well.
My first Ten-Tec rig was an Argonaut, bought new at the ham store in downtown Columbus, Ohio, in 1970. Moved to Tennessee (as a carpetbagger) in 1972 and it promptly developed a problem with the SSB filter. I took advantage of the situation and visited the plant, where they took my dear little Argonaut out onto the line while Al Kahn himself gave me a tour of the facilities and chatted for an hour or so. They then brought the Argonaut back out to me fully repaired and retuned - no charge!
That rig lived another ten years and got lightning-bit. Since then I've owned several rigs, including Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, Heath, and two more Ten-Tec's. Just today I took delivery via UPS on my new Pegasus, selected for its features and fame. Kachina produced some fine PC-driven equipment, too, but has quit the business. Ten-Tec appears to be in good health, and I hope will be competitive for years to come. And, the Pegasus appears to be a far better purchase than some of the expensive gadgetry I've fallen for over the years.
Thanks for stirring up the memories, and don't let the critics get to you.
-73
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"Thank you ANONYMOUS for glowing report, paragraph by paragraph. Ashamed of your observations? I am ANON because I have no ham call. . John Bursch"
Hmmm (scratching head), don't know about my report "glowing". I didn't want to call the whiners ("can we please get back to the subject?") idiots directly. I just thought I'd point out that pretty much all the posts WERE on subject. They just weren't on "article title".
And John, you could have still entered something in the "callsign" field such as "Notyet" (being hopeful). Helps people reply, if they wish.
I only remain anonymous because of the drunkards who frequent 75 meters. I run skeds with old pals there, and if someone hears me, and remembers my comments from here, they may choose to QRM my sked, wreaking havoc on 75m.
I wrote a nice article praising the performance of a new (American-made) bit of equipment and had it published in one of the magazines. Within days of its publication, I had hams from many countries jumping all over me when they heard my callsign on the bands, exclaiming why their particular rig (made in whatever country) wasn't more to my liking. What, they think I have operated every radio? I only reported on the one I tried.
I can't imagine wanting to generate the sort of vitriol that hounded me on 75m for a while there.
Shame doesn't drive me. That's because pride, also, does not drive me. They're linked, you know.
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by DA6OBM on August 8, 2001
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Sir,
Thank You for your insight of the T-T company. I have been debating about another rig; and wonder if the 38 user selectable IF-DSP "filters" would match up to say a rig with convential filters AND IF-DSP(IC-746?). I can't seem to find a product review that will address this issue/question.
As for the political blahblah...anybody hear of the East India Company (chartered by the Queen of England)? Look back through history folks......we (humanity) seem to have such short memories. Backed by "the most powerful Navy of the time"....." "the Sun never set on the Brittish Empire". And NO, I am not bashing the Brits. Just quoting history books and drawing somewhat of a comparison. "(the Company)...was once the single most powerful economic force that the world had ever seen."
Please send comments direct!
Trent
abm4fg@hotmail.com
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by KS2S on September 6, 2001
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I've owned Kenwood, Yaesu and TT. I didn't buy based on American-made. I bought based on the features I liked. Now, I will buy only TT. Why? Service. TT has the best service of any Amateur Radio company out there. Try getting parts, or even a manual, for a 30 year old "other" rig. TT has even sent me parts for FREE. Try that with a "rice box" company. Oh, as for that phrase, Japanese motorcycles and cars have been known as "rice burners" for years. It wasn't meant as a derogatory term but just as a term to differenciate Japanese from American products.
I have to laugh at these "amateurs" who vent about the TT lovers and do it anonymously. Haven't even got the b..ls to give their names.
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by KG4RQP on March 26, 2002
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Regarding your comment:
<Facts don't lie; income inequality in America is at an all-time high.>
I respectfully submit that the reason income inequality is at an all time high is that self-discipline and personal work ethic inequality is also at an all-time high. Those who have strong self-discipline and strong work ethic reap the rewards. Those who don't, well we meet them every day. It is my belief that those who are among the "have-nots" have only to look deeper into themselves and decide if there is really anyone to fault other than themselves and the choices that they have made. I believe that someone successful once said "We are all a direct product of the choices that we have made up to this point".
As one who has owned their own financial services business for 7 1/2 years, it is my strong desire to <NOT> be equal in my income to the median wage. The way that I choose to combat that condition is through hard work and focus.
While it appears that we might disagree on this point, I do respect your right to your opinion.
Happy Hamming and truly, 73's
Humbly yours,
Lee, KG4RQP
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