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Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs

Cecil A. Moore (W5DXP) on May 12, 2009
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Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs

Cecil Moore, W5DXP, Rev. 1.2, 5-13-09

Introduction

Shorted and open-circuit stubs, located along a transmission line, have long been a method of achieving a match or notch through the impedance transformations, the inductive reactance, or the capacitive reactance that stubs provide. Such stub techniques are discussed in The ARRL Handbook and The ARRL Antenna Book. (A detailed discussion of stub applications and stub matching techniques is beyond the scope of this article.) What is presented here is a method of shortening those matching stubs by as much as 66% by taking advantage of the phase shift between two pieces of transmission line with differing Z0s (characteristic impedances).

The topic that seems to have been ignored in amateur radio publications is the physical length advantage to be gained by using dual-Z0 shortened stubs with two differring Z0 characteristic impedances. Since the pure reactance circle on a Smith Chart is associated with a phase angle and the normalized value of reactance is a tangent function of that phase angle, we can use the ARCTAN function to determine the phase shift in degrees at an impedance discontinuity in a stub. (This lossless phase shift at an impedance discontinuity point in a stub seems to be a free lunch granted to us mere mortals by the transmission line gods.) Assuming a reactance of 0-j300 ohms and normalizing to Z01 = 600 ohms and Z02 = 50 ohms:

ARCTAN(300/600) = 26.6 deg = 0.0739 wavelength

ARCTAN(300/50) = 80.5 deg = 0.2236 wavelength

If the impedance is 0+j300 ohms at an impedance discontinuity between Z01 = 600 ohm line and Z02 = 50 ohm line, a steady-state phase shift of 80.5 - 26.6 = 53.9 deg will occur at that point when the impedance is purely reactive, i.e. an infinite SWR exists. The maximum possible shortening of a stub occurs at the highest Z0H/Z0L ratio and at the shorter physical lengths. (Z0H is the high-Z0 section and Z0L is the low-Z0 section.) For instance, when Z0H/Z0L = 12/1, one can obtain a 30 degree electrical length from an ideal stub that is only 5 degrees long physically, i.e. 1/6 of the physical length of a single-Z0 stub.

For the purpose of this theoretical paper, all transmission lines and stubs will be considered to be ideal and lossless. The velocity factor, VF, of the feedlines is assumed to be 1.0 but will obviously require consideration in an actual real-world implementation when the VF is not 1.0. This paper applies only to stubs used at the single frequency of interest. Unlike single-Z0 stubs, a 1/4 wavelength dual-Z0 shortened stub does not act like a 1/2 wavelength stub at double the frequency of interest. It can be seen from the graph in Fig. 4 that the electrical length to physical length function is not a straight line when two different Z0s are used.

It is unlikely that the information contained in this paper is original but the author has been unable to locate any references in amateur radio publications that explain and present information about dual-Z0 shortened stubs. However, what transpires at an impedance discontinuity in a transmission line has been covered in a previous article. [1] This paper is an extension of the principles covered in that earlier article.

The electrical length of a stub varies with frequency. Rather than using a particular frequency for the examples, all examples have been normalized to degrees. They could just have easily been normalized to radians or wavelength. Here are the relationships between frequency, degrees, radians, velocity factor, and wavelength.

Free space wavelength in feet = 984/frequency in MHz

Transmission line wavelength in feet = VF*984/frequency in MHz

Where VF is the velocity factor of the transmission line, e.g. 0.66 for RG-213.

One wavelength = 360 degrees = 2 pi radians

Most amateur radio operators have heard of stubs and stub matching techniques. Unfortunately, useful lengths of stubs may not be feasible on the longer wavelength HF bands, e.g. where 1/4 wavelength is ~65 feet on 3.8 MHz. This paper will present information about a method of shortening stubs by using two lengths of transmission lines of differing characteristic impedances, Z0H and Z0L. The above ~65 feet on 3.8 MHz can be shrunk to ~25 feet using Z0H = 600 ohms and Z0L = 72 ohms transmission line stock (assuming VF = 0.9).

Dual-Z0 Stubs

The relative locations of the two sections of feedline are important. The following figure indicates the correct locations for the high-Z0 line and the low-Z0 line for open stubs and shorted stubs. (Stubs with other than open or shorted terminations are beyond the scope of this paper.)

For open stubs, the low-Z0 section must be placed at the open (bottom) unconnected end of the stub. The high-Z0 section becomes the top (connected) end.

For shorted stubs, the high-Z0 section must be placed at the shorted (bottom) unconnected end of the stub. The low-Z0 section becomes the top (connected) end.

Let’s assume that we have two types of transmission lines available with differing characteristic impedances, Z0H ohms and Z0L ohms (where Z0H > Z0L) and we want to make a physically shortened stub that is electrically longer than the two physical lengths combined. It appears that the most efficient result occurs when the two section lengths are equal in degrees. If the VFs of both sections are equal, the two sections will also be equal in physical length. It turns out that the actual values of the characteristic impedances are not important. It is the ratio of Z0H/Z0L that is important. The frequency is also not important as everything is expressed in degrees which can be converted to wavelength by dividing by 360. The equation that governs such physically shortened stubs is:

TELD = TPLD/2 + ARCTAN [(Z0H/Z0L)TAN(TPLD/2)]     Eq. 1

Where: TELD is the Total Electrical Length in Degrees of the Dual-Z0 stub. TPLD is the Total Physical Length in Degrees of the stub and assumes that the two different Z0 sections are equal in number of physical degrees. Z0H/Z0L is the ratio of Z0H to Z0L.

As an example, let's assume that we create an open stub made from Z0H = 600 ohm feedline and Z0L = 72 ohm feedline such that Z0H/Z0L = 8.3333. Assume that each section is physically 19.11 degrees long making the total stub 38.22 degrees long physically. What will be the electrical length in degrees?

TELD = 38.22/2 + ARCTAN[(8.33)TAN(38.22/2)] = 90 degrees = 1/4 wavelength

Need a 1/4 wavelength open stub that is 43% of the length required by a normal 1/4 wavelength open stub? We have created that electrically long 1/4 wavelength stub using only 19.11 + 19.11 = 38.22 physical degrees of transmission line in a dual-Z0 configuration. The secret is that the impedance discontinuity provides a 51.87 deg phase shift in the middle of the stub as illustrated in the following graphic.

For those who can read a Smith Chart, here is a graphical representation of this stub.
If we take the identical stub above and swap ends such that the Z0H becomes the shorted bottom end of a shorted stub and the Z0L end becomes the top connected end, the stub becomes an electrical 1/4 wavelength shorted stub. (If the ends are not swapped when going from open-stub to shorted-stub, the desired shortening effect of the dual-Z0 stub will not be realized.) See Fig. 1 above.

The stub can also have other electrical lengths besides 90 degrees. What electrical length would we get from a shorted-stub with the following characteristics?

TPLD = 25 degrees (Total physical degrees assuming equal length sections)

Z0H/Z0L = 6 (Z0H = 300 and Z0L = 50)

TELD = 25/2 + ARCTAN[(6.0)TAN(25/2)] = 65.56 degrees = 0.182 wavelength

The physical length is 25 degrees. The electrical length is 65.56 degrees. The dual-Z0 stub is 38% of the length of a single-Z0 stub because of the 40.56 degree phase shift at the impedance discontinuity.

1/4 Wavelength Stubs

For the special case of 1/4 wavelength stubs, the following equation applies:

TPLD = 2{ARCTAN[SQRT(Z0L/Z0H)]}     Eq. 2

If Z0H = 600 ohms and Z0L = 72 ohms, each of the two sections is 19.11 degrees which is the example given above in Fig. 2. Use the above equation for creating shortened 1/4 wavelength stubs.

One interesting combination of characteristic impedances would be Z0 = 600 ohm open-wire line combined with a side-by-side parallel run of 50 ohm coax which has a Z0 of 100 ohms. With the Z0H/Z0L ratio of 600/100, a 1/4 wavelength dual-Z0 stub will be almost exactly one half the length of the single Z0 stub.

Graphical Solution

The following graph allows one to choose the total electrical length required for a stub using a particular Z0H/Z0L ratio to determine the total physical length in degrees for the shortened stub using equal lengths (degrees) of sections of Z0H and Z0L feedlines.

It should be obvious that the above curves converge where the total electrical length and the total physical length are both equal to 180 degrees, i.e. 1/2 wavelength. At that convergence point, The Z0s of the two sections doesn’t matter at all as long as they are equal.

1/2 Wavelength Transmission Lines

The above technique can also be used to shorten transmission lines. For instance, assume one has a 75m dipole with a feedpoint impedance of 50+j0 ohms at resonance. If we want to match that 50 ohms by feeding the dipole with 1/2 wavelength of Z0 = 600 ohm feedline, we will need 116.5 feet on 3.8 MHz assuming a velocity factor of 0.9. Can we shorten the feedline? Of course we can by using a piece of Z0 = 100 ohm feedline in the middle of a Z0 = 600 ohm feedline section. (The Z0 = 100 ohm feedline can be two side-by-side runs of 50 ohm coax.)

Using the above graph, we find that the physical length of a shortened 1/4 wavelength stub when the Z0H/Z0L ratio is 6:1 is approximately 45 degrees. So if we make each end of the feedline equal to ~22.5 degrees of Z0 = 600 ohm feedline and make the middle section equal to ~45 degrees of Z0 = 100 ohm feedline, then we will have created a 1/2 wavelength (180 deg) shortened feedline that is physically approximately 1/4 wavelength (90 deg) long.

If the Z0 = 600 ohm feedline has a VF of 0.9, the two lengths will be close to 14.6 feet each. If the Z0 = 100 ohm feedline has a VF of 0.66, the center length will be close to 21.4 feet. Thus we have created an electrically 180 degree long feedline using only about 36 feet of feedline. Our shortened electrical 1/2 wavelength feedline is only about 31% of the length of the original 1/2 wavelength of Z0 = 600 ohm feedline.

Note that the Z0H = 600 ohm line is connected to the low-Z, 50 ohm antenna. This is in accordance with the requirements in Fig. 1, above.

References

[1] "An Energy Analysis at an Impedance Discontinuity in an RF Transmission Line", by Cecil Moore, W5DXP, Worldradio, Oct 2005 - Jan 2006. Also available at: Energy Analysis

Rev. 1.1, April 28, 2009

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Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by RFDANNY on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Duh!
 
Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by WA3SKN on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Great idea for single band/single frequency operations!
A little less useful for multiband use, though.
Still, Great to know!
Thanks, Cecil!
73s.

-Mike.
 
Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by KB2DHG on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM?
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by N5PVL on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!

Far too many amateurs today forget, or never knew that amateur radio is a fraternal organization of amateur scientists whose special interest is in radio.

Thus the whines of outrage this articles produces from "hams" who would have amateur radio downgraded to a CB-like "communications" hobby with no particular or actual emphasis upon radio science.

When we see whines of outrage in the face of an article about the hobby that requires better than a grade school education to enjoy, we are looking at people who were brought into the hobby fraudulently, most likely by the ARRL who is more interested in customers for their publishing business than they are in moving the hobby forward.

These whiners are people who really should not be hams.

Of course not every ham can be expected to recognize and stay up to date on every technical aspect of the hobby. - Parts of the article are certainly over my head. - But every ham could and should be expected to respect those who do, seeking to uplift themselves to that level of excellence rather than insist that all hams be lowered to some common denominator of ignorant mediocrity.

Can we get a little less noise and a little more respect from the "ignorant mediocrity" crowd here, please?

Thank you!

73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL


 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by N6NKN on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Four comments and it's already a pissing contest.

Rick N6NKN
 
Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W1ITT on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Cecil..
This is a fine example of a theoretical explanation (theory is the stuff that some learned, while others just memorized to pass the license exam) that moves on into a tool-kit how-to. It's unfortunate that a few so-called hams panic at its complexity before sitting down for a bit of study. Taken slowly, it all makes sense. I "saved" a copy into Documents for future use.
What's next on the syllabus, Professor?
tnx, Norm W1ITT
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W5DXP on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for the kind words.

From "The ARRL Handbook", "The Amateur's Code"

"The Radio Amateur is: PROGRESSIVE ... with knowledge abreast of science ..."

I'll take the negative words as a clue that I did actually post something "with knowledge abreast of science". :-)

Incidentally, this article lays the groundwork for explaining how an 8 foot loaded mobile antenna antenna manages to achieve resonance with a 90 degree phase shift - very much like a dual-Z0 shortened stub.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by AI7RR on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Article's such as this is the reason I keep coming back to this site.

Though it's a level or two over my head, I do strive to learn the science of the hobby and appreciate those who take the time to share their knowledge and understanding.

Thanks and Bravo.

73,,Roger
WB0VEQ
 
Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by KD5KJD on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
WOW!

Talk about technical! I'll assume that more than half of the folks who read it or tried to read it drifted off somewhere after the third paragraph. And that's ok... This is not QEX, the technical rag of the ARRL. But it is a site where we are here to learn.

I can appreciate the science and math in our hobby. There are those that may not. I think, and this is just my own view; that SOMEWHERE out there is a person who can break down this article into its most basic form, still keep the math, and decipher the language. Were that to happen, I think more folks would appreciate the math and science.

As a part time tutor in Biology, History, General Science and Psychology I have to break down certain concepts so that my students can grasp them and then run with them. I may not fully understand antenna theory, but I still love to homebrew my own. My student may have trouble with a certain concept in Biology and it is up to me to be able to break it down into its most basic components so that he/she can then fully grasp it. I also think that were it not for those in our hobby who help the less scientific or math gifted, we'd see much more disinterest in the technical aspects. I agree that while a large number of our ranks are only interested in talking there are just a few of us who appreciate a bit deeper look under the hood of the science behind it all. That being said; it's always good to at least know a little of the 'hows and whys' of the way our stuff works!

We've become a society of quick gratification, thus not caring how something works, just that it works. As a part time ham retailer, I often see these folks who come in to buy a run of coax and will refuse to buy it when they find out they have to solder the PL259s to the cable.

I applaud the more technically savvy among us. Our hobby will not or could not move forward without them. I also would like to see a few more folks take a more active interest in the 'hows and whys' of how 'stuff' works. Of course, that'd only be possible if there were a middle ground or middlemen (or middlewomen) who provide/s the less technical explanation so more of us have those "Aha! Moments".

I do have to grin a bit here. It seems that the more technical the article, the fewer pot shots it and its author take. I find that interesting in and of itself.

The Best of 73!

Luis KD5KJD
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by AF6IT on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Good stuff! This merits some exploration to see if I can't just maybe come up with an antenna for the lower end of 80m after all...
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W5DXP on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
The use of a helical loading coil plus stinger to shorten an antenna is well known and works on the same principle. I assume you are talking about physically shortening 1/2WL of transmission line on 80m.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by K9MHZ on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Fine article!
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W5DXP on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> KD5KJD wrote: I think, and this is just my own view; that SOMEWHERE out there is a person who can break down this article into its most basic form, still keep the math, and decipher the language. <

This article was originally written for QEX where it was rejected. I will attempt to do what you ask on my web page. If one can convert degrees to wavelength taking the velocity factor into account, Fig. 4 is all one needs.

There are 360 degrees in one wavelength. One wavelength of transmission line is 984*VF/f. For instance, one wavelength of RG-213 on 4 MHz would be 984*0.66/4 = 162.4 feet. 162.4'/360 = 0.451 feet per degree. So 20 degrees of RG-213 on 4 MHz would be 9 feet.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by N6RK on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
The unstated premise seems to be that there is something magic about stubs. If you want a smaller solution than a stub, you can usually replace a stub with a coil or capacitor or both. Why go to the trouble of building a stub out of open wire line when you can just buy a coil or capacitor to do the same thing? Also, lumped matching will result in wider bandwidth than stubs in all cases.
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by KG4ZVA on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"When we see whines of outrage in the face of an article about the hobby that requires better than a grade school education to enjoy, we are looking at people who were brought into the hobby fraudulently, most likely by the ARRL who is more interested in customers for their publishing business than they are in moving the hobby forward. "
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excuse me?? brought into the hobby "fraudulently"???
would you like to back that statement up? i try to learn more about radio every day, but this article is written to a higher level. (on purpose i'm sure) and even though there is a lot i do understand, there is still a lot i do not. this means i entered the hobby fraudulently? that has got to be the most pompous idiotic statement i've heard on here in a while!

if you insist on making statements like this, then show proof so legal action can be taken. fraud is a crime. also, falsly accusing someone of a crime, IS ALSO a crime.
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by N3OX on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"If you want a smaller solution than a stub, you can usually replace a stub with a coil or capacitor or both."

What if you don't want it to be that small?

:-)

I think it's good to have a thick book of antenna/transmission line tricks because you never know when one is going to come in particularly handy with respect to some other.

It's useful to know where some "interesting" things are in the giant space of things you can do with series transmission line sections.

73
Dan

 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by N5PVL on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!

N5PVL Says:
"When we see whines of outrage in the face of an article about the hobby that requires better than a grade school education to enjoy, we are looking at people who were brought into the hobby fraudulently, most likely by the ARRL who is more interested in customers for their publishing business than they are in moving the hobby forward. "

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KG4ZVA says:
excuse me?? brought into the hobby "fraudulently"???
would you like to back that statement up?
=======================

Interesting that you would self-identify as one of the amateurs being spoken of in the paragraph above.

I say, "If the shoe fits, wear it."

Apparently you believe that it fits you like a glove. I won't argue with that.

73 DE Charles, N5PVL
 
Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W6LW on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks Cecil, I've struggled with stubs for years, phantom stubs for loops to by-squares, 180 stubs for co-linears, feedline matching stubs. Interestingly enough, some work exactly as planned, others did not work at all. Your insight has given me new incentive to play with these strange and wonderful linear RF circuits. Besides, I like the way they look!
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W9OY on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Rick

What if you're McGiver on a desert island with only some bailing wire and a few dozen packs of gum? Of course you may have a hard time doing the arctan stuff in your head.

73 W9OY
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by WX7G on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Replace a stub with a coil or a capacitor?

Sometimes. But other times a stub is the thing to use in a hybrid or PCB design and being able to shorten it can come in quite handy.

 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by N4JTE on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you Cecil, this is one of those type articles you read thru once and scratch your head, at least I do, but on second and third reading I know that one of these days this info will come in handy on some antenna idea. Right now having fullsize 1/2 wl feedlines is not a major inconvenience, nor is the occasional 90 degree phase line, but your paper/article is going in the save file while my rudimentry transmission line knowledge catches up to yours, Tnx for the information.
Smith Charts and slide rulers, and the cute pre engineering coed in the front row; never quite figured out how to solve any of them, hi.
Take care,
Bob
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W5DXP on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> N4JTE wrote: ... and the cute pre engineering coed in the front row; <

:-) I didn't have that problem at Texas A&M in the 50's.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by KG4ZVA on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
right, ok, ya got me there. i dont understand all of this article, so i must be a fraud. please prosecute me. what a moron.
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by K5FH on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
W5DXP said: "This article was originally written for QEX where it was rejected."
------------------------------------------------------

Considering some of the stuff that DOES get published, one can only shake one's head in disbelief.

Could it be that you're not a member of the Old Boys' Club? Well, then, just remember what Groucho Marx said: "I would never join a club that would have me as a member." :))

For some reason it's considered a heinous social offense to attempt to elevate the level of discourse on Amateur Radio forums beyond code/no-code debates and "my appliance is bigger/better/costs more than your appliance."

Charles (N5PVL) is right: we are, by definition, amateur scientists with an interest in radio. Mathematics is the language of science and concepts such as impedance matching are best understood in terms of their mathematical descriptions.

Keep up the good work, Cecil. QEX's loss was eHam's gain on this one.
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W5DXP on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> K5FH wrote: Could it be that you're not a member of the Old Boys' Club? <

No doubt that is part of the problem since I sided with Walter Maxwell, author of "Reflections", on the importance of a conjugate match in antenna systems. Anyone who has followed the public Maxwell/Bruene discussions over the past 18 years knows what I am talking about.

CQ magazine is in the process of publishing "Reflections III". Amazon.com presently has a used edition of "Reflections II" for sale for $400.00

QST/QEX seems to want to ignore the reality of the conservation of forward and reflected traveling wave energy in favor of what I call a "mashed potatoes" version of standing wave energy. It gets them in technical trouble from time to time, i.e. they have no idea where the reflected wave energy goes.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by KC8VWM on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
A few minor technical nitpicks...

- All 600 ohm feedline is not always 600 ohms.

- Dipoles are not always 50 ohms at "resonance." Many dipoles may actually be closer to 72 ohms.

- In addition the article describes the following:

"It turns out that the actual values of the characteristic impedances are not important."

As a reader, I am at a loss to understand why this article doesn't seem to explain this in better clarity ...Why... is characteristic impedances not important exactly?? Why is the ratio of Z0H/Z0L the only important consideration in this equation? ..Elaborate..

- Transmission lines do exhibit losses but the article written assumes no losses occur in transmission lines.

Conclusion / Comment: Physical and electrical degree calculations should assume actual, and not assumed values to ensure overall accuracy in the phase angle relationship.

Great article, well written, and a prime example explaining dual Z0 shortened stubs in very clear detail.

This is obviously an article of technical excellence.

Very well done and thank you.

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W5DXP on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> KC8VWM wrote: "It turns out that the actual values of the characteristic impedances are not important." As a reader, I am at a loss to understand why this article doesn't seem to explain this in better clarity <

This is a theoretical article not concerned with imperfect real-world transmission lines. Perhaps you missed the following sentence: "For the purpose of this paper, all transmission lines and stubs will be considered to be lossless. The velocity factor, VF, of the feedlines is assumed to be 1.0 ..." This is the previously defined theoretical context of the article.

The characteristics of and differences in real-world transmission lines would take another whole article and that information has been fairly well covered elsewhere.

As far as the ratio of Z0H/Z0L being what's important, I may have assumed too much of the readers. In short:

Fig. 4 shows why it is the ratio of Z0H/Z0L that is important, not the individual Z0s. Only the ratio is needed to predict the shortening effect. The actual Z0 doesn't appear anywhere on the chart in Fig. 4.

For instance, the theoretical shortening effect for Z0H=600 ohms and Z0L=100 ohms is exactly the same for Z0H=300 ohms and Z0L=50 ohms, i.e. the ratio of the Z0s are both 6/1.

Note that the *ratio* of Z0H/Z0L is what appears in all the equations.

This article is also published on my web page and I will be updating it with corrections and improvements as needed. Thanks for the suggestions and kind words.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by WA8MEA on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
RFDANNY....you made my evening!

VERY FIRST response after this VERY TECHNICAL article and you respond:

"Duh!"

Hilarious!

PERFECTLY timed comedic response without being insulting to the author.

I'm still laughing.....

73, Bill
 
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by KB4QAA on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Ok, I'm not one to shrink from attempting heavier technical articles, but I'll have to come back to this later.

The main problem with the start of the article is the lack of definitions.

<<<One topic that seems to have been ignored in amateur radio publications is the physical length advantage to be gained by using dual-Z0 shortened stubs.>>>>

The first sentence never defines WHAT we are talking about shortening (feedlines? circuit strips? antenna sections?) It gets pretty tough slogging with no clue what we are applying stubs to.

What is a 'dual ZO"?, none of the Z articles are ever explained or defined.

This is not "throwing stones" but rather intended as constructive comment. I am interested in stubs, since I've seldom seen anything published on them.

73, Bill
 
RE: Dual-Z0 Shortened Stubs  
by W5DXP on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> KB4QAA wrote: The first sentence never defines WHAT we are talking about shortening ... <

Thanks for your feedback. I thought the title indicated that what we are shortening are stubs. Stubs have a lot of uses - matching, impedance transformation, inductive reactance, capacitive reactance, traps, phase shifters, etc.

> KB4QAA wrote: What is a 'dual ZO"?, none of the Z articles are ever explained or defined. <

Z is the standard abbreviation for impedance. Z0 is the standard abbreviation for characteristic impedance. "Dual-Z0" would indicate that there are two characteristic impedances involved.

Like I said, this article was written for QEX. I will add the necessary definitions to my web page article.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
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by KE7JHH on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Sir,

Thank you for taking the time to present this article. While it is way over my head, I must admit that it has whet my appetite to learn more about this fascinating hobby.

73 Glenn Bevin
 
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by KX0R on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for writing this article, Cecil. I must admit I read it because I've recently been playing with transmission lines in EZNEC.

Readers who don't want to get bogged down in the math should consider using EZNEC or other modelling software to do the calculations for stubs and transmission lines.

You can model complex networks, with multiple feeds, multiple lines, multiple nodes, complex loads, and various Z0 lines.

EZNEC will let you design very complex systems by trial-and-error, if you like or require this approach. In particular, you can try out an idea and see if it has any chance of working. If the idea works, you can often optimize it.

Since you specify Z0, velocity factor, line loss, etc., you can get a pretty good idea of how well a feed system based on Dual-Z0 lines would actually work, without assumtions like "no loss", VF = 1, etc.

The only downside, besides some time spent, is that you may become obsessed with system losses to the point that you don't like systems that seem to work perfectly well, once you see what losses in transmission lines do to performance!

The loss in a quarter-wave stub or half-wave line can be significant, especially if the line is cheap coax or twin-lead. Now that we have some loss numbers for window line, we're not as happy with it as we once were.

I'm making my own W7FG-style ladder line for Field Day, to save 1 or 2 db of my 5 watt signal, because the models tell me that long runs of window line are bad when the SWR is above 10 or 15.

This is real ham radio! Never have ordinary people had such powerful tools to play with. I'd encourage anyone who likes radio technology to jump in and horse around with lines and stubs, not only because it's interesting and fun, but because the more you work with the concepts, the more you can do on your own.
 
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by KC8VWM on May 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Slightly off topic but equally interesting is another one of W5DXP's (Cecil's) more interesting antenna related articles I have poured over for many months in the past.

It describes a somewhat unique HF multi band antenna system which requires no antenna tuning but rather it uses various feedline lengths which can be switched in and out of the antenna feedline equation to perform the antenna tuning function.

I have concluded this antenna would be especially desirable when operating high RF energy levels on HF because conventional tuning mechanisms often fail.

In addition the design also seems to reduce losses associated with using other but yet more complicated matching networks, antenna tuners etc.

In addition the antenna exhibits acceptable uniformity in signal pattern characterists and it seems to exhibit above average antenna gain characteristics on many bands. In particular, 5.08 dBi on 75, 7.32 dBi on 40 and 10.79 dBi on 10 meters.

As expected, the 10m meter radiation pattern is slightly degraded with nulls however it exhibits excellent gain and pattern uniformity on 20m etc..

I haven't constructed one yet but I have purchased the various materials and studied it's theory of operation in closer detail for a while now.

I am attempting to devise a mechanical band switching device using remote 12vdc automotive relays that can be switched from inside the shack using a home brew "band selector" switch box complete with LED light indicators.

The remote relays work in combination with an internal wafer switch located inside the "switch box."

What we have here is a design which incorporates a single antenna which works efficiently on multiple bands and antenna tuning is as simple as choosing a position on the switch box band selector.

You can find W5DXP's interesting multiband antenna article written here:

http://www.w5dxp.com/notuner.htm

My Best,

73 de Charles - KC8VWM
 
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by KG4TKC on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!

Very nice article. Yes,some of it was over my head and required re-reading and research. I had to get out the books. When someone presents you with subject matter that requires to you hit the books,to learn and think,then they have done you a great service. Thank you W5DXP for prodding me along the path:) Nice website also!
 
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by KB2DHG on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with you that this hobby is of a higher level of education. It IS a science based hobby. I unfortunately am not that smart but can get by with more effort on my part. BUT this hobby has become victom to lowering the standards and making it easy to get on the air with as little effort as memorizing the questions and answeres.
When I was going for my license there was no computers or sample test to take. I had to read and understand the material. THAT is what made me both more informed andd more appreciated of the privilage of being an Amateur Radio operator.
As a VE I see it all too often, the applicants openly admitting that they just took practice exams untill they can pass...
Having no clue to what was being taught.
This lowering of the standards is not just contained to our hobby BUT all of our education... Our country is being far surpassed by the rest of the world.
 
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by KB2DHG on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
My comment of asking what planet you are from was not mean in a negative form. Quite the opposite, I was commending you on your knowledge.

BRAVO! Yea the article is a bit over my head BUT it made me stop and think... It forced me to do more research to try to understand how this article can help me in this great hobby. In just one day I have pulled out my handbook and started to research the effects this article can have to help my station perform better.
 
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by W5DXP on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
When you asked what planet I was from, I started to reply Planet TAMU. :-)
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
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by N0YXB on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Great article, I'd love to see more like this. Too bad if these articles annoy the mental midgets or armchair laywers out there, but that's their problem.

Vince
N0YXB
 
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by W5RH on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Cecil, Thanks, great work, as usual.

For those looking to learn more about transmission lines, etc. There are, of course, the "ARRL Antenna Handbook" and Walt Maxwell's "Reflections". Another book that is worth it weight in gold is "Transmission Lines, Antennas and Wave Guides" by King, Mimno and Wing -- McGraw Hill 1945 or Dover Pubs. 1962

When trying to understand a difficult subject, such as this, I like to use multiple references. One author might word the same technical theory explanation just slightly differently and be the key to your full understanding.

Always enjoy the post article banter. Each one speaks for it's submitter. Nuf said -- hi.
Rick -- W5RH
 
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by W5DXP on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> W5RH wrote: When trying to understand a difficult subject, such as this, I like to use multiple references. <

Hi Rick, thanks for the comments. IMO, carrying around a Smith Chart in one's head is just about the best reference available. If one understands the Smith Chart graphic in my article, one understands the entire concept of dual-Z0 shortened stubs and the free lossless phase shift that occurs at the impedance discontinuity.

I've posted the article to my web site and made some suggested changes. The graphics on my web page also appear to be easier to read than on this web page. It can be accessed at:

http://www.w5dxp.com/shrtstub.htm
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
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by WA7CS on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
This is not a difficult topic.

Not a complicated explanation.

The only frustrating thing is that many of the readers have a dismally poor grasp of basic antenna and transmission line theory.

ANY ham that holds an Advanced or Extra class ticket certainly should be able to skim over this and "get it" with no problem whatsoever.

Assuming of course, they were granted their license after passing the exams without benefit of having the answer key.
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By the way - I make portable QRP antennas with balanced feed-line / stubs in exactly this manner. They work perfectly as efficient and very portable antennas.
 
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by W5DXP on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> WA7CS wrote: I make portable QRP antennas with balanced feed-line / stubs in exactly this manner. They work perfectly as efficient and very portable antennas. <

Well Carl, your comments seem to beg for a practical applications article as a followup to my theoretical article as some have suggested/requested. What say?
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
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by WA7CS on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I'll give it a shot. Standby

I may still have a few notes left from the shortened stub/feedline wire antennas I cooked up for QRP.

It may be of interest how a traditional 1/2 wave Zepp can be constructed with your choice of a shorter feedline or radiator.

My antennas were made after measuring the velocity factor of garden variety twinlead and window line - your equations work just as well with values other than 1.

All of my antennas were cut per calculation and put directly into service. The desired center frequencies were always close enough to use. After all; since these are portable antennas meant to be flung up into the bushes using a sharp pencil is usually an excercise in futility :-)
 
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by W5RH on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Carl, WA7CS,

You are right -- Cecil's article is not a difficult topic or a complicated explanation. And, as you say, "Any ham that holds an Advanced or Extra class ticket certainly should get it". But many don't, yet. My point of the additional reference material is for the 95% of the Hams I know that "don't get it". I would like them to understand the theory and technical explanations of radio and RF, etc. with the ease that I do. There by increasing their level of fun, within Ham Radio.

Just trying to nurture them with a bit of gentle prodding into gaining more kowledge. Not everyone coming into Ham Radio is a "double E", they are learning as they go. Let me paraphrase: "Ham Radio is not a destination, it's a journey"

Cool on your Drake station....73, Rick -- W5RH
 
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by WA7CS on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've been trying to come up with some measurements for that shortened feeline 1/2 wave end fed Zepp for the past hour.

None of my numbers were making sense - I was about to go consult Maxwell to find the error of my ways.

I fianlly noticed that my calculator was switched to the Radians mode!

Darn - I hate it when that happens
 
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by NB3O on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"You can find W5DXP's interesting multiband antenna article written here:
http://www.w5dxp.com/notuner.htm "

Hi Charles, I used a similar concept to design a high power HF "load-pull" box when we needed to test the stability of multi-kW amplifiers over a specific load range. It was far easier than using gigantic rollers and bread-slicers.

I applaud Cecil for reminding us of the flexibility we have at HF for using wire and wooden dowels to create a reasonable and inexpensive matching solution.
73
 
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by K5DVW on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Nice... yah, I use this idea a lot with microstrip matches. I learned that at planet TAMU too :)
 
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by WA7CS on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I'm goofing off at the office and don't have my antenna notebook handy - however here are some guesses at how I made my end-fed shortened feedline halfwave portable zepp.

Using some 300 ohm twinlead with a measured VF of 0.83 coupled with some 75 ohm RG-6 at a nominal VF of 0.75, I figure that 8.8 feet of RG-6 and 10.6 feet of radio shack twinlead will do the job.

TPLD = 2{ARCTAN[SQRT(Z0L/Z0H)]}

This is about 60% of the nominal length for single impedence feedline.

These lengths see to be about the same as I am using for a 40 meter end-fed Zepp antenna.

However - this only works well on a single band, where a 1/4 wave of 300 ohm twinlead alone will often work well on multiple wavelengths.
 
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by W5DXP on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> WA7CS wrote: ... a 1/4 wave of 300 ohm twinlead alone will often work well on multiple wavelengths. <

I think you will find that it doesn't work well unless one changes from series feed to parallel feed. If we look at a 1/2WL end fed with 1/4WL of twinlead, we see the high to low impedance transformation. If we double the frequency, we do not get that high to low impedance transformation - we get a high to high transformation.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
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by W4VR on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
There are very few people out there that use the Smith Chart. The last time I used one was in the late 60's while taking a Transmission Line course in college. With today's instruments and software designing stubs is a simple matter. I use coaxial stubs on my 3/8-wave inverted L's. Thanks for the nice article and I'm sure you know it went over quite a few heads. Not all hams are engineers.
 
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by WA7CS on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Cecil Wrote:
I think you will find that it doesn't work well unless one changes from series feed to parallel feed. If we look at a 1/2WL end fed with 1/4WL of twinlead, we see the high to low impedance transformation. If we double the frequency, we do not get that high to low impedance transformation - we get a high to high transformation.
--

Yup you're right. Should have said odd multiples - as in 7 and 21 MHz.

A 20 meter end-fed half wave Zepp also works fairly well on 30 if you just feed one side of the twinlead (high impedence half wave on 30).

 
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by W5DXP on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> W4VR wrote: There are very few people out there that use the Smith Chart. <

I'm not suggesting that they actually use a Smith Chart - just that they learn how to use one and keep the Smith Chart in their heads as a conceptual tool. With a conceptual image of a Smith Chart in their heads, they not only know what the input and output impedances are but also the path the impedance took to get from one point to another. Did the SWR spiral cross the 50 ohm circle or the 1/50 mho circle during its transition? If so, matching to 50 ohms is a one component piece of cake.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
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by MACKAY3031 on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Thank you for the article,well done!
I like technical articles....a lot.Thank you!
Michael KI4WCA.Hope to work you on the bands!
 
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by W7ETA on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
You've done it again Cecil!

ANother article that I don't understand.

I still remember studying to pass one of my ticket tests and just rolling my eyes when I encountered Smith charts.

Rather than reading up to understand SMith charts, to meet the approval of other hams, I'll sit down and read up on SMith charts and stubs just because it is there and I'd like to learn more.

Who knows, the next time a ham calls CQ and that they will only talk to hams that can design matching stubs using Smith charts, I can consider if I want to talk with them. :-)

Thanks.

Best from Hot Tucson
Bob
 
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by W9PMZ on May 13, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know what it is about Smith Charts but they keep me going in circles...


Informative article and well written. Thanks for the contribution.

It only take a quick glance at an amplifier I am working on to understand the importance of transmission lines and the tools designers have to match the devices on board.

73,

Carl - W9PMZ
 
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by KB3HG on May 14, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Well, I enjoyed reading the article. I thought it was thought provoking.
73,
Tom Kb3hg
 
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by W5DXP on May 14, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
The folks at eHam.net have been kind enough to update my article - hopefully resolving some of the objections.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
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by W9IP on May 14, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Great article, Cecil! Timely too!

This year, I'm planning an SO2R contest station and have encountered little applicable information to help address the issue of stubs and their construction. I found your explanation far easier to comprehend than others I've encountered.

Also, I found several insightful articles on your website (W5DXP.com) that I plan to apply in the coming months. It would be wonderful if you have the time and inclination to take this resource to the next level including feedline, radiator, and grounding topics critical for successful ham radio operation. The late L.B. Cebik (W4RNL) laid down a large footprint with applicable data across a wide range of antenna related subjects. Unfortunately, his contributions to the science of radio techniques have been spoiled by the commercial pursuits of his survivors in a way that contradicts the Amateur's Code of Conduct.

Thanks again and keep up the great work, Cecil!
 
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by N7WS on May 14, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
CQ magazine is in the process of publishing "Reflections III". Amazon.com presently has a used edition of "Reflections II" for sale for $400.00

My goodness! I have inscribed copies of both the original "Reflections" and "Reflections II"

They must be worth more than my IRA is these days.
 
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by W5DXP on May 14, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> N7WS wrote: My goodness! I have inscribed copies of both the original "Reflections" and "Reflections II". They must be worth more than my IRA is these days.

Hey Wes, how are things in AridZone? I also have those books but had the good fortune of rolling my Intel 401K over into gold coins in an IRA when I retired and moved back to TX ten years ago.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
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by K1BQT on May 15, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Well done and done well, Cecil! Hope you don't mind that I'm sticking a copy in a file for future reference.

 
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by K5EST on May 15, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Good article, Cecil. This should be included on the Ham exams, after all Ham Radio is a technical hobby.

My antenna farm would benefit from using stubs and I even have a copy of Reflections II in the shack.

73....Walter - K5EST
 
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by W4ZV on May 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
KA6SGT: This year, I'm planning an SO2R contest station and have encountered little applicable information to help address the issue of stubs and their construction. I found your explanation far easier to comprehend than others I've encountered.

Here's the book you need:

"Managing Interstation Interference, Revised Second Edition"
by George Cutsogeorge, W2VJN

http://www.inrad.net/product.php?productid=248&cat=148&page=1
 
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by W5DXP on May 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> KA6SGT wrote: ... have encountered little applicable information to help address the issue of stubs and their construction. <

Stub theory and knowledge are trickle down benefits of Smith Chart knowledge. Even if one doesn't use a Smith Chart directly, it is an advantage to carry one around in one's head. The outside purely reactive circle on a Smith Chart is what one uses for a first approximation for a stub design.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
 
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by W9AC on May 17, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
W4VR:

> "There are very few people out there that use the Smith Chart. The last time I used one was in the late 60's while taking a Transmission Line course in college. With today's instruments and software designing stubs is a simple matter."

Anyone who wants to know what's happening on a transmission line needs to understand the Smith Chart concepts. Depending only on software without knowledge of the underlying concepts will lead to wasteful and unproductive time.

An analogy is the student who tells the math teacher: "Why do I need to know anything about algebraic permutations? My computing scientific calculator does it for me." If you were the math teacher, would you accept that as a reasonable answer?

Paul, W9AC






 
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by W9AC on May 17, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> "When trying to understand a difficult subject, such as this, I like to use multiple references. One author might word the same technical theory explanation just slightly differently and be the key to your full understanding."

Probably the most significant obstacle standing in the way of understanding transmission line theory is the non-standard use of definitions, particularly among the ham community.

How many times have we seen the term "reflected power" used when a "reflected wave" is meant? For example, consider the statement:

"I have a line-to-load mis-match and power is being reflected from the antenna back down the line toward the transmitter."

That's just for starters. Things start making more sense when the right terms are used.

Paul, W9AC

 
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by N7WS on May 17, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
W9AC writes:

>"Probably the most significant obstacle standing in the way of understanding transmission line theory is the non-standard use of definitions, particularly among the ham community.

>How many times have we seen the term "reflected power" used when a "reflected wave" is meant? For example, consider the statement:

>"I have a line-to-load mis-match and power is being reflected from the antenna back down the line toward the transmitter."

>That's just for starters. Things start making more sense when the right terms are used."

Even the pros can't agree on terms. Witness the different terms and usage for reflection coefficient. Some use Gamma, some use rho... etc.

And exactly what's wrong with the reflected power statement?

Wes N7WS

 
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by W9AC on May 17, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
N7WS:

> "And exactly what's wrong with the reflected power statement?"

What's wrong with the statement in my example above is that power does not in and of itself "reflect." A wave, created by voltage and current on the line is what reflects. Power is an end result. It's energy dissipated over time. So, to say that power reflects is incorrect.

This is not to say that "reflected power" is not real. It is very real. but power is not something that travels along a line. It's the wave that travels in either incident or reflected directions.

We've become lazy when using the term "reflected power," and even our instruments use this term recklessly. Part of the problem (including a standard set of definitions) is in defining exactly what "reflected power" is. It begins with a line-to-load mis-match. But then what?

"Reflected power" is power dissipated as a result of line reflections and is that portion of total power not delivered to the load, and not lost as the result of line loss.

While our directional couplers may indicate high "reflected power," it is possible in efficiently designed systems to deliver all delivered power to the load, regardless of the amount of "reflected power."

A coupler of any kind placed on a transmission line is not measuring power directly. It's computing power based on line voltage and current and it's interpolating the end result -- an end result that can take many forms based upon load-to-line mis-match (reflection coefficient), line loss, and the Z seen by a reflected wave when looking back into the source generator.

Because power is an end result, the in-line measuring instrument cannot know what power is being "reflected" and dissipated without knowing more about the line, it's loss and its terminations.

Paul, W9AC
 
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by W5DXP on May 17, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
> W9AC wrote: ... to say that power reflects is incorrect. <

Technically ,narrowly, and maybe even legally, you are correct but it's a trivial objection. According to the definition of "power" in the "IEEE Dictionary", power is energy/unit-time passing a measurement point. One can conceptually measure the reflected power at a point just as close as one desires to the reflection point. If you place the Bird directional wattmeter as close to the reflection point as possible, you are indeed measuring "reflected power", by definition, i.e. reflected-energy per unit-time at the point of insertion of the Bird directional wattmeter.
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by W4FI on May 18, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
A great article......thanks for your effort and in depth info. It will take me a few days to digest but, worth it.
 
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by KQ6XA on May 19, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
As someone who thoroughly enjoys the nuances of matching networks (and using Smith Charts) in both work and ham radio, I found your article to be a pleasant jewel of a surprise amidst the background noise. The use of dual-Zo stub design as a resource is often overlooked due to unfamiliarity, but you have made it a little more accessible for all of us.

Thank you for writing such a wonderful and informative article, and especially for publishing it free here on eham.net!

73 Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA

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by K5END on May 20, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Cecil,

This is a fine article. It has great content and is well written.

Thanks for posting it.

Larry
 
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by KB4QAA on May 21, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Cecil,
Outstanding job on the revised opening paragraphs, and diagram labels. The introduction is now smooth and gives me a comfortable overview.

73, Bill
 
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by WA2JJH on May 26, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
TNX FER refresher course. I remember learning to match lines with stubs and smith charts 30 years ago.
Circuits 4 of any EE program will cover transmission line matching.
Smith Charts, congugate Z, freq, scaling, optimal tramsmission line and all the PWR/SWR calculations are covered.
The FCC exams for Extra and 1st Phone covered the material as well.
After all, Broadcasters do not use ATU's hi, hi.

I I guess many hams just purchase a feed point ATU. Newbieswill take the licking in power efficiency with an "In the Shack ATU".

Seems like many think a BOX with a CPU in it, is a cure all.

TNX AGN. I Have not dealt with a Smith Chart in many years.
As an earlier feedback indicated, this was all general knowledge for Hams over 30 years ago.
 
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by W6EM on May 26, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Cecil: As a late commenter, thanks for a terrific piece of research. One that, for those of us who actually use stubs, will be immensely appreciated. Especially with today's elevated cost of copper. Even with polyethylene and PVC on top of it.

I like to use 90 degree stubs on my dipoles and inverted vees to improve their bandwidth. Especially on 75 and 160. A methodology that will save me 30 to 50 percent of the feedline needed to achieve a 90 degree "copper insulator" is much appreciated!!

BTW, the Newington Club passed on a great article. Too bad. If Ham Radio magazine were alive and kicking today, you'd have been published in a heartbeat.

To those who have difficulty in constructing stubs accurately, I'd suggest you beg, borrow or purchase an MFJ-259B antenna analyzer. They make pruning them quick work. At least for quarter wave stubs.

Lee
W6EM/4
 
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by KI6ZRH on May 29, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Cecil:
As a newly licensed ham with a social sciences degree and an MBA (ie little to no real science education), I am thrilled that ham radio is still about learning and science. I am sure I got about 5% of what you've put forth, but to me that means that there is a lot I can learn in my new hobby. Thanks so much, and keep on posting.
Drew KI6ZRH
 
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