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An eTour Just For The Fun Of It

Gordon Hubbell (N1OU) on June 6, 2009
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An eTour Just For The Fun Of It

eBay might be the world's biggest Ham flea market - Caveat Emptor!

©2009 by Gordon Hubbell, N1OU

I did one of my fairly common “last minute” Dayton runs this year - got up on Thursday morning and finally decided to go (somehow I never can plan this trip). I drove the rest of the day (about 7 hours from my QTH) then spent Friday prowling the goodies at Hara Arena and its surroundings. As always, I had a lot of fun but didn't buy much because I just get overwhelmed by it all.

If you were there you may or may not agree with my observations about Dayton this year. I haven't seen the official stats, but I'm guessing that attendance wasn't down by much, if any (for Friday, at least). The weather was nice all day and there were big crowds everywhere I went. There were, however, fewer commercial vendors and fewer occupied slots in the flea market, I thought. Maybe some more popped up on Saturday.

On the drive back, I began to think about the flea market side of Dayton, particularly. To me, it is the most fun part and also the most tiring - you can walk for what seems like a lot of miles before saying you've seen it all. It is also a great way to meet other hams in person. I like to stop and chat about the “treasures”. Often this leads to other interesting discussions.

Then it dawned on me! The eBay Internet auction site probably has more “treasures” than the Dayton flea market (or is at least its equal). Plus, it's always there when you need something. It also has some big downsides: It can be tedious to use even with the filtering capabilities, there's no instant gratification (gotta wait for delivery), you can't play with anything before you buy it, and there's danger from unscrupulous vendors (and buyers - that's called Caveat Vendtor).

So, I decided to “tour” the ham radio side of eBay. Much, much easier said than done! I surfed eBay, then selected a section in electronics called “Radios: CB, Ham and Shortwave”. While this isn't the “whole enchilada” when it comes to potential ham stuff on eBay, it has great variety and matches up well with what you might typically encounter at a flea market. Oh yes, there were 34,118 “things” in it when I started looking. At 50 “things” per page, that was 683 pages. Scanning a page about every two minutes on average (I stopped to look at [click on] some really interesting stuff - more on that later) and skipped over thousands and thousands of minute parts and connectors, it took me three days to get to the last page. Yes, I know I didn't see everything because items constantly sell or drop off and new listings constantly appear. But, I can say I did this category from beginning to end (just like I have occasionally “strolled” the entire Dayton flea market area). I can say that eBay was easier on my feet but Dayton was easier on my eyes.

Note for anyone who'd like to try the same “tour”: You can use “Ham Radio” as the section definer and skip a lot of the CB, scanner, shortwave and other non-ham stuff (about 19 thousand items there recently) but you'll lose a lot of the “flea market” feel.

Here's a recap of my eBay flea market tour:

  • If Motorola ever made it, it is here. Radios, parts, accessories, and literature abound. GE and some other commercial stuff is common, too. However, Motorola rules the roost. I used to be a Motorola tech (long ago and far away in “another life”) so I know its good stuff. Should I ever get a burning urge to work on another Motrac I know where to find one.

  • Strange brands from Hong Kong and some other Asian locations pop up. The two dominant categories seem to be HT's and FM stereo transmitters. I can understand the HT's but I didn't know there was that big a market for FM transmitters (most are low power). The reviews here on e-Ham are pretty good for the HT's (look for Puxing and Quansheng). However, somebody's going to have to fill me in on why anyone would want a 7 watt FM stereo transmitter (a “pirate” broadcast station in the neighborhood maybe?).

  • There wasn't as much MFJ “stuff” as I expected. I find this odd because MFJ makes a gadget for just about every purpose (I own a bunch of `em) and we all know that the quality control varies. I expected to find lots of MFJ problem unloading, but didn't see much when compared to other vendors and manufacturers. I suspect we “cuss” our MFJ stuff when it won't work, then we fix it, then we hang onto it because nobody else makes stuff quite like it. We love `ya Martin, keep on trying.

  • A lot of the ham gear seems to be sold by non-hams. This happens when “professional” eBay-ers buy garage sale and estate merchandise for resale. After scanning several listings I got to where I could easily tell when the seller really knew about the goods or not. Typical statement: “I turned it on and it lit up”. Scariest statement: “I tried the mike switch and said `hello' but nobody answered”. Dumbest statement: “I know some hamm (sic) would love this for a gift” (comment about a dead CB radio). Best “hidden meaning” statement: “This thing really, really modulates . . . I mean it can flat out modulate.” (comment on a modified CB radio). Most clueless statement: “I think this is a ham radio” (comment on an old Heath linear) - close but no cigar!

  • Some blatantly illegal modifications and merchandise appear. Yep, there are radios that will “work” on the ham bands and CB. There are amplifiers with names like “Da Bomb”, “Fire Box” and “Blitzkrieg” among others that escape eBay's rules by being promoted as “ham” merchandise. I looked closely at much of this stuff and, frankly, I'd be scared to plug it in! Rough construction, dubious parts, dirt, and obvious mechanical “problems” almost always were visible in the pictures. With due respect to eBay I've also seen these things at some hamfest flea markets. But, some of the hams who sell on eBay require the buyer to be listed in a call sign database (to purchase radios or amps). I like that.

  • Boat Anchor Heaven! This is my favorite part. I don't own any “heavy” gear right now, but I sure do remember when I did (back before it was called a boat anchor). My favorite listings are the ones by hams who have either had the gear since it was new or have lovingly restored it for sale. These have great descriptions. I also love what I call “semi-boat anchors”. These are the solid state but pre menu-driven rigs with lots and lots of knobs, meters and switches. I'm kind of in the market for a Kenwood 800-900 numbered rig so I really spent some time on these. Quality of the goods and the sellers varied greatly.

  • General-coverage battery powered receivers of all types. I love to look at the old Zenith stuff (a Trans-Oceanic is a work of art), but there's lots more. I don't currently own a battery-powered multi-band, multi-mode receiver, but I'm thinking about one.

  • The old “legitimate” CB stuff is really interesting! Yes, I was KEH3607 in 1963 and owned a Johnson 5-channel crystal controlled “Messenger” set. They are still around, but a little scarred up. Its fun to look at the 23 channel rigs - their designs always scream “1970's” with fake walnut grain trim and huge, chrome knobs. Burt Reynolds and Sally Field joyride in the black TransAm again! I had a Kraco CB in my 1976 Pinto. Talked on it while driving to the disco. Wore my powder blue polyester leisure suit, too. Just shoot me. Some memories are painful. I won't mention it again.

  • Neat test equipment - lots of it older. I haven't owned an “o-scope” in years, but there are plenty to be had. Some of the older, dedicated test gear is fun to look at. Remember when tube testers could be found in a back corner at grocery stores? I came close to bidding on a Simpson VOM (remember the big, black-cased ones?).

  • Radios for sale without power cords, manuals, original boxes and key accessories like microphones. Hmmmm. Some of the listings even say “cord is very short”. Might these be a bit “warm” in the chain of ownership sense?

  • Scanners and more scanners. I just bought a new Uniden hand-held from AES. It takes fourteen fingers and a magnifying glass to program it. Unless I pay some outfit to do the setup work, I can get more utility out of something a lot older and a lot cheaper - maybe I'll list it on eBay!

  • Strangest item? A “Ghost Hunter/Franks Box” ghost finder/detector/recorder. The listing didn't say how it worked, you just gotta believe in it I guess. If the spooks are on any of our bands, they better be silent keys!

There's lots more ham stuff on eBay than this article can cover, and you should feel free to design and take your own eBay tour if you're so inclined (or if its raining on your favorite flea market). It's great entertainment for free and you don't have to be a registered eBay buyer or seller to do it. I'm probably not going to tour again soon, but I enjoyed the effort. Actually, though, I prefer real live flea markets at hamfests. There's something much more magical about the merchandise, and the real human contact can't be duplicated in cyberspace.

Would I buy ham gear from a seller on eBay? Maybe. Particularly if the seller is a ham and not just an electronic “merchant” of general goods. I think what I'd do first, though, is sift through the listings here on eHam and probably on QTH.com first. The stuff here is mostly for sale by hams, to hams. I find that a bit comforting although I know you can still get stung.

Let's face it, e-commerce is real and it's handy. I've ordered plenty of ham equipment (from the major vendors) over the Internet and I've never had any problems. However, I'm not going to stop going to hamfests and their flea markets, either!

Caveat Emptor (part of the title of my article) means “let the buyer beware”. Whether you are buying from a buddy, a commercial vendor, or an individual - at a hamfest or on line - it is always good advice. Check out the goods to the extent you can and get whatever guarantees or return arrangements that may be available. Buying and selling ham equipment and accessories in the “used” market has been around since Morse, Maxim and Marconi were pups and will always be part of the hobby's fascination and a major contribution to its affordability.

73

Gordon, N1OU

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An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by W8ZNX on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
this is a main page article

poster just now discovered epay

" would I buy ham gear from a seller on ebay "

does this mean
poster has not bought any ham gear from ebay

radio_mart is waiting for your bid

mac
 
An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by KB2DHG on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I think Ebay and the internet put a big hurt on flea markets as a whole.
I used to love to go to ham fest but the last few I went to were not worth the trip. I guess I would get a lot of mixed reviews on this but I rather buy from ebay than a ham fest. If I buy a rig from a ham fest I may never get to that person again if the rig was not good. If I buy on ebay, I have several ways to get my money bac or at least make it bad for the seller.

I have purchased several rigs on ebay and never had a problem. The items were as described and I got what I paid for!
Ham fest and Dayton are good fun but the internet surly put a hurt on them.
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by CROWBAR on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I use ebay as a price reference. I have also bought and sold on ebay since 2001 with only a couple of minor ripples.

Bottom line - if you like it great. If you don't that's great too.

OK.. now let the war storys begin - It's eHam!
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by CROWBAR on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I use ebay as a price reference. I have also bought and sold on ebay since 2001 with only a couple of minor ripples.

Bottom line - if you like it great. If you don't that's great too.

OK.. now let the war storys begin - It's eHam!
 
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by KR4EY on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"radio_mart is waiting for your bid"

The first seller too avoid on eBay or anywhere on the net at all costs. He is a very shady dealer and not to be trusted.
 
An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by AC4RD on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've had some very good deals on ebay over the years--and some very very bad ones, too.

I bought a Ten-Tec keyer/paddles combo a few years ago. The seller said: "This was working perfectly the last time I used it, but it is sold as-is." That's a pretty common statement on ebay, as you probably know.

I got the keyer, plugged it in--and got a painful 120v shock from the case. I opened it up, and discovered that it MAY have been working perfectly when the seller last used it, but he probably meant "BEFORE it caught on fire." The insides were charred and black. The thing blew up, caught fire, and this lying SOB sold it on ebay with the phrase, "It was working perfectly the last time I used it."

The funniest part of this is that the return address on the box was "The Reverend Whatever." The guy claims to be a preacher, on top of it all. :-/

I bought a Nikon lens a few years ago "in mint condition" and when I got it, the thing was so damaged that it wouldn't even mount on a camera. And no, it wasn't damaged in transit because many of the screws were missing--someone had tried to work on the lens before selling it on ebay. (That one at least made a nice loupe for looking at slides.)
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by KE7FD on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Both eHam and eBay will survive in spite of each other.

If you can't touch it, you won't know if the seller is telling you the truth. Even though a flea market can still give you heartburn buying junk, any Internet purchase of used gear is always a risk. There are just some settings where buying new is the only sane thing to do. If you're a new ham with limited funds (or seasoned too...) buying new might not seem like the route to go, until you get burned. Then there are just some things that are best if bought new no matter what and I'm sure this varies from person to person. I always ask myself, if it's bad what will that do to my situation [fill in the blank as required here]? If it might set me back a ton, then I either pass up the used gear on eHam or eBay and buy new or not at all. If I can comfortably absorb the risk, I take the deal. I like using eHam over eBay sometimes because at least in my experience most of the time the things I've bought through the ads are what they say they are. On eBay, the so called handling fees some sellers charge are insane and I always pass those up. If the guy isn't honest about the shipping there's a good chance he is hiding something else. Packing materials and shipping aren't cheap, but with some experience you can tell when the seller is padding his price. The eBay feedback/rating system is no guarantee though between them and PayPal, you do have some recourse if things go sour.

Flip side.
As a seller on either forum, if someone wins the bid or commits to buy an item, they ought to know that they can afford to do so before engaging in a transaction. I just recently "sold" something on eBay to a guy who after the auction closed said he couldn't afford to buy the item until two weeks later. I grit my teeth and agreed. Two weeks passed, then three. Well, it's been a month and now he says by this coming Monday. Needless to say, I already have a case opened with eBay on this and will pull the trigger on Tuesday if he defaults again. You get tired of being jerked around by people who pretend to be honest but in truth are very far from it.

Bottom line: Whether it's a flea market, eBay, eHam or whatever, be careful or buy new from a reputable dealer.
 
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by W4KPA on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"I had a Kraco CB in my 1976 Pinto. Talked on it while driving to the disco. Wore my powder blue polyester leisure suit, too. Just shoot me. Some memories are painful. I won't mention it again."

Too late. Your horrible confession is in cyberspace and can never be taken back.
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by N2EY on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Both eBay and hamfests have their good and bad points. The best thing about eBay is that you can search for exactly what you want, or just browse, regardless of time, weather, gas prices, etc. You can also sell the same way.

I used to be a regular at every hamfest within 3 hours of home. But then other responsibilities made it hard to get large blocks of weekend time, and there was always the risk of bad weather, traffic, etc. eBay is like a hamfest that never ends!

Of course there are ripoffs in both. There are also great buys, and the haggling process is completely different.

There's no doubt that eBay and other online venues have hurt hamfests, though. Hams who don't go to hamfests anymore is the obvious one, but there's also the sellers who expect to get eBay prices at a hamfest. Sorry, it's not the same game.

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by W4KVW on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
The CORRECT spelling is "FLEABAY" I think?

Clayton
W4KVW
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by K4DPK on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
IMHO the absolute best e-fleamarket for hams is Scott Neader's QTH.com.

You find only ham gear on that site, and it is much easier to navigate than e-bay.

Phil C. Sr.
K4DPK
 
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by K0DCH on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I often find that 'new' ham gear on Ebay is more expensive than the same equipment from AES or HRO. Perhaps some people are willing to pay extra for the thrill of an auction.
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by K9MHZ on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
>>>>Its fun to look at the 23 channel rigs - their designs always scream “1970's” with fake walnut grain trim and huge, chrome knobs.<<<<


That's because family station wagons had the same thing on their exteriors....that really cool vinyl wood grain paneled look. Man, mount a Radio Shack 9 foot whip on the bumper, throw in a Frampton 8 track, and you were on your way in style to the nearest CB coffee break.

3's yer way....

Brad
KAZL0938
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by NO6L on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
First, what kind of pretentious crud is this: "©2009 by Gordon Hubbell, N1OU". This raised a HUGE flag for me. Then, an Ebay Puff-Piece about all kinds of Amateur Radio gear that can be found there, and a copyright notice? I didn't even bother putting a copyright notice on my articles, they're copyrighted by default due to the date stamps. And, who would copyright a Puff-Piece designed to herd people to Ebay to buy his trappings? The mention of discos and leisure suits pretty much "sealed the deal" for me. That just stinks of "oily used car dealer". What is this, a "spam article"? Too many people wise up to the ripoffs on Ebay and ya' gotta' get some more "New Ham" suckers in there? That's pretty screwed up right there.

>by K0DCH on June 6, 2009
>I often find that 'new' ham gear on Ebay is more expensive than the same equipment from AES or HRO. Perhaps some people are willing to pay extra for the thrill of an auction.

Bah! They're just stupid because they'll bid an item up beyond reason just out of principle. It's not just *new* gear that costs more than at a "brick and mortar" store, I see used that have a reserve higher than new. For example, a used Icom IC-V8 for, get this:

$279

I HAD to read farther. Was it with extra batteries, drop-in charger, a virtual cornucopia of accessories? No, it was modified for OOB transmitting. That's it. Something that can be done just by removing the little digital signaling accessory cover under the battery.

The ones that amuse me are the Ebay fanboys that got a real bargain on a "Disgronnaficator" for $900 that sold for $1000. Yeah, real bargain, you moron. You got a current production used "Disgronnaficator" that is out of warranty, has scratches on it, stinks like an ashtray when the fan comes on and you have to download the instruction manual. Now that's funny no matter who you are.

Finally, there are the losers that tack on a slew of keywords to trick your searches onto their listing that has nothing to do with what you're looking for. How's that done? Easy, a list of keywords in white on white, for example, 2 or 3 point fonts between paragraphs or even in plain sight. There's no Ebay rule against this, by the way.

My point is, Ebay used to be a decent place to get deals on used or obsolete equipment. I only look on Ebay for the occasional deal on an obscure vintage component or computer parts, because there are so many the prices are always low. Other than that, Ebay, the ripoff sellers and suckers can all pound sand, for all I care.

As for used amateur gear, regardless of what the Ebay fanboys say, nothing beats a swapmeet and thankfully, Ebay itself and the thieves there are shooting themselves in the feet and sending us back to them.

Caveat emptor? Yeah, that just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Bah! Spam by any other name still stinks. "Friends don't let friends waste their time and money on Ebay."
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by N0FPE on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
where was your White felt hat with the red feather? And I didnt have a Pinto..I was restricted to a 75 Ford maverick.

Yes those are very painful memories
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by WB2WIK on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
The only way I buy anything from an eBay vendor is if it's a local, I find out who it is, call him up, wait for the auction to expire, and if he still has the goods after that, I'll drive over to look at them.

That's actually worked for me a few times, and I got good deals on gear that worked by demonstration.

Buying "sight unseen" is not for me.

WB2WIK/6
 
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by WB4M on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've bought and sold on Ebay, never any trouble whatsoever. The only time I've been ripped was from a ham who had an ad right here in the eHam classifieds, not on eBay. For some reason or another I had the idea the hams selling here would be more honest and reliable than in eBay, but that has not been the case. There are THIEVES everywhere, be careful.
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by W7ETA on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Great article.

Fantastic, easy to read, well organized prose. A real pleasure to read, just for the FUN of it!

I still enjoy seeing the descriptions with Morrise code tappers.

73
Bob
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by N0LOH on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
If you're looking for ham gear and more, bought and sold by ham radio operators, I say give this new site a try:

http://www.amateurradioexchange.com/
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by N6AJR on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
`I have had pretty good luck on ebay, buying everything from my Orion, and Pegasus, to an ALS 600 and many more "major ticket" items, and have aklso bought connectors and wire, lots of stuff. My feed back is over a thousand, and I am not a dealer. I have been on ebay since it started. long time . My best deal may have been 2300 feet of LMR 400 for 600 dollars, delivered. I got lots of coax now..:)


I have had a couple of small problems and they were always handled by the seller . I have also done the same for folks buying from me.

One fellow bought a dual cross needle meter from me and when it arrived the little screw that holds the needles in had vibrated loose in transit. so he writess me that it arrived broken.

I sent him 50 bucks on paypal and said to go to the manufactureer and buy the meter and replace it, as it was working when it left here. The part ended up costing 19 dollars , delivered and he sent me back the extra $ via paypal. now that is a good transaction, both ways.



Mosty folks are basicaly honest and if you treat them well you get the same back. But I am a man of hionor and take care of my business, too.


I also make it a point to shop at the local HRO store too, so they will also stay in business . I can't see saving a dollar on a gizmo and havie the store go out of business.


Ebay is one more option available to you as a ham.
 
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by KA5ROW on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I have found that you will get more off of e-Bay that you will ever get at a Hamfest.
Case in point. I took a Kenwood TS-570 S in near mint condition to a Hamfest with all original packing, manuals everything. I asked $700. No one offered over $600. Put it on e-Bay and it sold for a little over $800.
I found this true with other ham related items. So you can say e-Bay does have a heavy influence at Hamfest. Many hams will say "If I don't get my asking price I will just stick it in e-Bay" this is sad but true.
 
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by KC8YHN on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I have found that eBay doesn't have those great deals that one would think. It sometimes takes a lot of work and time to actually get something you want, more so than bartering with an individual at a swap or through an ad.

What I also found is eBay counts on the person to panic towards the end of the auction. Many times sniping takes place and with the idea that someone will lose that item to another, they overbid on the item and end up paying more than it is worth.

With a different but similar issue, I used to sell antique car parts at swaps and mail order but since eBay, I have to give away things in order to make a sale.
 
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by WD9FUM on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Caveat Emptor!

That being said, I'm going to go play radio!
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by KC8VWM on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
If I may be so kind to suggest I feel that Ebay sucks and hamfests rule!

Thank you and have a great day.. :)

My Best,

Charles - KC8VWM
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by WB2WIK on June 6, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
To me, eBay is great for sellers and not so great for buyers.

Buying stuff "at auction," when the audience is the entire world, rarely results in any sort of good deal.

For selling, it's perfect.

I bought a Drake 2B at a local swap meet for $125 and sold it on eBay for $400.

Perfect example.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by N2EY on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
WB2WIK writes: "To me, eBay is great for sellers and not so great for buyers."

To me, that depends on what's being bought and sold.

Yes, in the case of stuff that's in demand, eBay can create a seller's market. Your 2B example is an excellent case of that.

OTOH, eBay can produce some amazing bargains for a buyer who is at the right place at the right time, and who doesn't get auction fever.

There's also the buyer whose options are limited. In some parts of the country, hamfests are small and relatively rare, and getting to one a considerable trip. Some hams have other responsibilities on weekends (such as work) that make getting to a particular hamfest difficult if not impossible.

There's also the "maturity factor", which some hams realize more than others. What I mean is this: When eBay was new and the economy booming, some things sold for incredible prices on eBay because the buyers overestimated rarity. They'd see a rare item and think it was the only chance they'd ever have at one.

For example, I recall the time an SX-88 in excellent shape showed up - this was about 1999 or 2000. The bidding went up and up, and eventually the receiver went for over $6000. Many were the disappointed bidders!

But then, a few weeks later, another SX-88 in excellent condition appeared. It too had enthusiastic bidding, but not as much as the previous SX-88. It eventually went for somewhat more than $2000 - less than half the price of the first one.

---

Of course, "the fever" strikes in various ways. I cannot understand folks who pay more for a current-production item at auction, unless they want to deny it to another bidder or some such nonsense.

The ultimate example was the 1956 Heath AT-1 kit (unbuilt) that showed up about the time of that first SX-88. It went for $5100.

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
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by W0DKM on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I sold a very nice IC703 on ebay. $425.00 plus $18.00
for shipping. Rig went to a nice Ham. And all went well.

Ebay cost to sell was $22.22

Paypal charge to me was $13.15

Total cost to sell $35.37

I wish I owned Ebay/Paypal!

I Have bought and sold a 100 plus items on ebay With
only a few minor problems. On ebay you must read between the lines. You have to check out the seller.
You have to be lucky. You have to ask Questions before you buy. If you ask a direct question and get a screwie answer, Pass on it.

Its a crap shoot at best On Ebay.

I have looked at items at swapmeets that are so dirty
and greasy, Well just Gross! Dude wash your hands and your clothes! And your HAT! The ft900 I saw once looked like it was in tornado. It was priced $500.00 seller said it still worked on the high bands. NEAT!
He had a SB200 for $450.00 It looked like a old battery charger from a leaky barn. have bought 2 rigs, sold as works perfect, both had problems.

I stick with new items now, They dont smell like Cigarette smoke!!

Dave
 
RE: An eTour Just For The Fun Of It  
by NY7Q on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I don't agree Ebay is "the place"
Usually it is a ripoff.
Prices are overinflated
Costs are enormous.
Selection is usually "junk"
Swap meets are the place.
 
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by K9FON on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
NY7Q is right. Overinflated prices and some of the equipment is junk. Bargains are hard to fine. Thats why i use QTH.com and Eham for buying and selling ham gear. I have yet to get a lemon from any seller i have dealt with on QTH or Eham. I VERY SELDOM buy ham gear on EBay but i DO buy HO train equipment off of Ebay form time to time. I have found some realy good deals on trains and equipment. Especially the older hard to find stuff can be had for next to nothing.
 
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by K9FON on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Ebay item #230340440723 is a perfect example of a rip off big time. The sell "Staxx Of Waxx" has a FT 101EX for sale for $599.99. Everything he has for sale is extremely overpriced. I asked himn why he wanted so much for his stuff and i was sent back a profanity laced email telling me if i didnt like his prices to not buy the radio!
 
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by NO6L on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
See what I mean, more Ebay Fanboys. Amazing. Here's my Ebay experiences:

First is indirect, a friend of mine sold a Johnson Ranger. The listing said, in a nutshell, doesn't work, needs parts and as-is. So, what happens, some jack-ass in San Jose buys it and files a claim. Says it's not as advertised, doesn't work and is missing parts. So, what happens? Who did Ebay side with? Do I even have to tell you?

Same friend, sees a Snap-On torque wrench, get's a good price then Ebay cancels the auction, *after* the auction concludes. What did Ebay do? Did they refund the money when the seller welched? Did they "go to bat for him"? Again, I'll let you answer.

My experiences:

I list a lot of 6 6AU6s for $6, NOS. Some dippy broad who doesn't know the difference between a tube and a tampon buys them. Why? I don't know. Anyway, doesn't even contact me and leaves negative feedback. Says they're old and worn out. She came to this conclusion because the getters are dark. So, I sent her a link to a website that describes getter condition. She said, "Doesn't matter and she's not wrong" and doesn't retract the feedback.

I list a piece of gear, my listing in a nutshell says, "Incomplete, doesn't work, for parts or tech special, as-is". Some loser in NY buys it, then, you guessed it, files a claim. Says it's not as advertised, it doesn't work, is missing a tube and another is cracked, missing hardware. Either it's the same clown as above or they're siblings of parents who are siblings themselves, knowingly, not adopted out previously. I call Ebay and PayPal, they say it'll take a month before it's resolved. I say, "Look at my listing and call it resolved". No, it has to be their way. And, I have to file counter-claim. "Where do I do that?" Oh, go to this page, link to that, jump through this hoop..." "That's nice, all he had to do was click a link and because I'm the seller I have to find some link in fine print on some page not mentioned in the sellers instructions page? That's nice." Well, after feeling like *I* was somehow the criminal, guilty until proven innocent", it was resolved in my favor. After my friends experience, I had my doubts, though.

I assisted a dyslexic friend in buying an SB-200. The listing said, works great, extra set of tubes. Cool, I ask him to pack it well, put "Fragile" all over the box and at least pack the plate compartment with paper to hold the tubes. --- It arrived, "Fragile" all over the box. Then I saw the box had "This Side Up" on one of the narrow ends. "Oh, this can't be good." And it wasn't, because the opposite end is where the knobs were. 50 lbs of amplifier resting on three plastic knobs. Not only that, it could not have worked, all four tubes were flat. There was glass chips in the plate compartment from when he or somebody spilled coffee into it, WHILE IT WAS ON. Oh, also, the plate choke was fried from when plates shorted onto the grids. Do I have to mention the damage in the grid compartment as a result? Probably not, huh? Did I complain? Why bother? Did I file a claim? Why bother? We repaired it, installed new tubes and called it a lessen learned.

And that lessen is; Don't ever, never, not even if hell freezes over, buy, or sell radio gear on Ebay.

And you Ebay Fanboys want to try and convince *me* that Ebay is all That and a bag of potato chips? That the unwashed, stinky guy at the swapmeet selling junk would never be found on Ebay? Keep back-slapping and high-fiving each other trying to convince yourselves that Ebay is the "paragon of hot deals" that it used to be, because you're not convincing me.
 
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by N7BUI on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Bargains on eBay? If you know how to look. Auctions that end after 10pm tend to get far fewer high bids and can be good ones to snipe. There are typically quite a few good deals that pop up with Buy it Now in various categories. If you use software that will refresh automatically you can hunt and pounce. Opera has this feature built in. Sundays tend to be the best days for this as sellers have more free time to get the auctions set up. Early mornings on weekdays can be a good time also.

As a seller:

I always set up my auctions at to start and end at 7pm on Sunday nights. This seems to be the maximum eBay viewing time and get best bang for the buck. If you want to set up a Buy it Now price, then make your starting bid fairly high. Not 99 cents. This helps keep out the few buyers who get their jollies by bidding immediately to cancel the Buy it Now. Set an opening bid at the low end price you're willing to accept for the item. Don't pay eBay's fees to run a reserve auction. It's damn expensive.

Be COMPLETELY truthful on your descriptions. If your item has some little idiosyncrasy that you know about, it should be mentioned. Give refunds if the buyer doesn't think your item met the description.

Your reputation is far more valuable than the particular item you're selling.

Unfortunately not all sellers have this philosophy.
 
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by WZ1P on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
ebay "haz ben a berry berry gouda too me" to paraphrase Garett Morris.

Dan.
 
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by WA2JJH on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Ebay sure has changed. For most ham stuff, as many other ham folk said......TOTAL SELLERS MARKET.

When ebay started, it was not that bad of a rectal thermometer. Deals could be had. Of course
auction or bid snipper were required tools.


I hit the best part 8 Years ago. People were selling off their high end non DSP rig for the latest
$2000-$10,000 wonder.

I purchased a Number of TR-7's for under $500.
I purchased 2 TS-950SDX's for about $2000 each.
Got some great harris hf rigs too. I did pay $1200 for a Drake R-7A. I learned it was an older R-7, with the extra xtal filters and NB. It did have a REAL R-7A FACE plate!!!!
Heck, I should have known. It is like the most faked watch in the world. The Rolex Perpetual Oyster submarineer. In some cases a real 17 jewal movement was a fine Japanese copy.
EBARF had many Watch SCAMS over the years.

I have a great shack of great rigs. Yes, not everything worked out of the box. Had to put in some soldering iron time, and send one TS-950sdx to THE BEST KENWOOD REPAIR DUDE.

phase 2. used to be a GLUT of TR-7 parts on ebay. No Mass! I will give ''First dibbs "" to hams on eham.
Then ask obscene prices on ebarf! (I must have 3 rigs worth of TS-950sdx and TR-7s)

I DO FIND THE PRICES ON Ebarf COMICAL. The joke is the DX hams PAY TOP DOLLAR. I do not spurge on ebay anymore. I will make a decent profit on the parts. It will take a few years, but as a seller....no ebay madness!!!!

WHAT YOU SEE TOO MUCH OF. Same goes on with computers too.

TS-50'S AND YASUE MOBILE HF RIGS SELL FOR 2 CENTS...LESS THAN LIST PRICE!!!!!!!!!
Those crappy 10/11M rigs! The Ham use only 10m linears.
Much MFJ stuff sold. The MFJ device works except for......fill in the blank!

Sometimes, I can eat my heart out watching a Collins 1kw amp with a $100 start bid. Final cost will always be well over $1000!!

How about the Ramsey multiwatt FM BDCST amps?
100W out....export only. OF COURSE EXPORT MEANS IT TRANSMITS!!!! PERHAPS, I CAN START A LPFM radio station

MY Usual buck 380 of literary trash...AKA MY 2 CENTS of bitchen-n-moaning.
 
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by W7ETA on June 7, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
"I asked himn why he wanted so much for his stuff and i was sent back a profanity laced email telling me if i didnt like his prices to not buy the radio!"

Now that is FUNNY!

Sending an eMail to a seller asking why he wants to sell at a price higher than you think he should!

I sorta figure that if one buys and sells on eBay, one develops an opinion and either continues using eBay, or one stops using eBay.

I've gotten the most unpredictable results buying albums on eBay; some are way better than described; some are so far from being in the described condition that I wonder if a deaf, blind person rated them?

My favorite responses from sellers have been when I haven't received items I paid for. One response was that I must have the item, a trough the wall connector for coaxial connectors, because he didn't have it. The other was that I shouldn't have left neutral feedback when the seller didn't send everything listed in the auction, and couldn't find the missing item.

73
Bob
 
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by K1CJS on June 8, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Just for balance--I've bought a few ham items off of e-bay, and haven't gotten a raw deal once. The stuff I got was as it was described.

I've been burned on ham stuff twice--both times from local hams who said--in effect--too bad. The rig is yours now. Go figure.
 
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by AC7ZL on June 8, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Any discussion of eBay ultimately degenerates into an eBay vs Hamfest argument. I don't understand why. Personally, I think that hams benefit from both.

The "virtual" aspect of eBay means that available merchandise is not limited to those items carted in from the surrounding counties, or even the surrounding states. You have an entire *country's* worth of stuff at your disposal, not to mention the items available on the eBay chapters for the UK, France, and other countries. No hamfest can beat that diversity of mechandise.

On the other hand, hamfests are hands-on events. You can paw through a box of old ceramic insulators or a carton of variable caps and find exactly what you need, and you can actually inspect that roller inductor you're thinking of buying. Shipping has gotten hideously expensive, so depending upon how far you've driven, there may be significant savings in buying something at a 'fest and carting it home yourself.

Furthermore, hamfests have one advantage that ebay will never have: Hamfests are social events. They're places where you can meet people, drink coffee, make eyeball QSOs, look at the weird and wonderful antennas the festoon the tops of some hams' cars, and share your common interests.
 
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by KG2V on June 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've never had a bad ham radio deal on eBay, and I've bought maybe 10-12 radios, so

Bad for buyers? I don't know - I have a basement machine shop - I buy carbide endmills, NEW, brand name for 1/2 what I can get them for from MSC/ENCO/Travers, and resharps? Pennies on the dollar, and are usually listed that way - you just have to know what you are buying.

Thank you - getting AlTiCN Micrograin Carbide 1/2" endmills for $20 is fine with me (instead of $40 or so)
 
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by K1DA on June 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I wonder if EPAY pays by the word for this stuff.
I enjoy how "Piece of unknown radio junk, Collins?
Drake? " ends up on both searches.
The best use of EPAY these days is in finding vendors who also operate OFF EPAY stores where direct dealing thereafter
avoids having to use Paypal, the "make up in shipping
what EPAY charges in fees" syndrome and the ole "I plugged it in and it made noise even though I didn't know it needed an external speaker" type of description.

Then of course there is the "biggest and bestest used radio vender in the whole world from my own personal collection" guy who chops up good radios to sell for parts
(just like auto chop shops).

EPAY may still be a good place to buy bulk items which can't be misrepresented but there is no denying there are people who will bid on something to drive the price up out of spite apparently knowing just when to quit. Then there are the snipers. In many states, there are laws governing auctions which require a "going going gone" ending procedure which allows EVERYONE to decide on a final bid without a sneak able to grab the item for a penny more -- a procedure about
which you are unaware until it is over. Obviously not so on EPAY. The bottom line, EPAY IS a sellers and sneakers market and I don't use it often but I am sure it will continue to provide good deals on used current production radios selling for new prices with scratches you can hardly see. Just be sure to put in "the highest price you are willing to pay" because YUP it's an AUCTION.
 
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by AK2B on June 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've found e-Bay to be a good place for test equipment and parts.
 
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by K6JPA on June 9, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've bought and sold over 250 radio-related items on ebay without ever having an issue. Wish I could claim the same success record from local purchases. With a little experience, one learns to navigate to the reputable dealers. Generally there are many pictures of the items in questions and the reputable dealers generally give thorough descriptions. The only down side I've experienced is that it can be a bit expensive to sell, but you have the world at your fingertips in regards to sellers, and buyers for that matter.
 
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by KB0XR on June 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I've made over 300 buys on EBay and never got screwed once.

On the other hand, I've bought a few things at hamfests that I should have but didn't insist on them being powered up before the sale. The guy stands behind the table, smiles at you, and lies his ass off about the item. Managed to find one guy at the next hamfest and told him the item I bought was junk. The guy launches an attack of profanity at me and then wants to fight me.

Last weekend, I sold an item at a hamfest and the buyer tries to hustle me by trying to confuse me while we were exchanging money. Here's $50, wait, I got more money here, give me the $50 back, I'll give you 2 20's and a 10. No wait, how much did you say again? I got more money here some where. That was $100, right? Do you have change for a $20?


Blah Blah Blah

Didn't work, Buddy. I got the right amount. I hope the item blows up in your face when you get it home.
 
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by KD8EZU on June 12, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I have bought non-ham items on ebay and have been satisfied. I have bought ham radio's on ebay and find it to be a ripoff. I no longer buy ham radio's on ebay.

Ebay has become one of those "Wolf in sheep's clothing" that rides on the back of it's past image as a "fun" place to buysell stuff. It is in reality now just a gigantic, corporation, with as much " fun " as a Halliburton, Standard Oil, or AIG boardroom meeting. It's a big business , not some collection of college students running a "fun" website.

Look at Ebay's payment policy. Only Propay or Paypal is allowed. NO checks of any kind (even USPS ). Well, take a guess who owns Paypal??? You're right. It's Ebay. What's the big deal? Aside from it bordering on a case of anti-trust, make sure that if you decide to sell something on Ebay and collect the money thru Paypal you know the following:

Despite having at any one time BILLIONS of other people's money ( and making interest on it ) Paypal, and in effect Ebay ,act like a bank or fiduciary company, but have absolutely no regulation as either. You play by their rules, (which are in their favor not yours ), and are solely at thier mercy when it comes to your money.

So let's say you sell a computer or a nifty ham radio and it sells for $700.00 dollars. Pretty good huh? . You see the money deposited into your good ol' Paypal account ...Suuweet!..., but wait... what's this?.., PENDING?...., WTF!!. You see that you money is on hold and you CANNOT access it . Guess you forgot to read Paypals "Holding" Policy ( actual text from Paypal's site below) :

10.4 eBay Item Hold. PayPal, in its sole discretion, may place a hold on a payment you receive for an eBay transaction when PayPal believes there may be a high level of risk associated with the transaction. If PayPal places a hold on your payment, it will show as "pending" in your PayPal Account.

a. Release of eBay item hold. PayPal will release the eBay item hold after 21 days unless you receive a Dispute, Claim, Chargeback, or Reversal on the transaction subject to the hold. PayPal may release the hold earlier if either of the following applies:

The buyer leaves positive feedback on eBay, or (ii) PayPal can confirm delivery. PayPal will confirm delivery if you use USPS, UPS or FedEx to ship the item and (i) use PayPal shipping labels, or (ii) upload tracking information to PayPal via the transaction details page. This applies to US domestic transactions only.

b. Additional hold period. If you receive a Dispute, Claim, Chargeback, or Reversal on the transaction subject to the eBay item hold, PayPal may hold the payment in your Account until the matter is resolved pursuant to this Agreement.

So if Paypal decides that a Ham Radio falls under this category ( such as Computers, Computer parts and many times radios also ) you cannot do squat with your money unless the 1)buyer leaves positive feedback,2) You shipped it by a carrier where it can be traced,3) or you wait 21 days. Gee! I wonder what happens to that interest accruing on the $700.00 dollars??? Hmmm.. lemme think.

Look also at (.b "additional hold period" ) if the user wants to, he can say to his credit card company " I never got the item.. I was ripped off " or the " item does not work, I was ripped off " . Paypal can then ( and HAS to many , many sellers) freeze not just that sum of money but the ENTIRE amount of money in your account. Not too good for you ,if you happen to have a few thousand in the " good ol" Paypal account is it? They make it SEEM to be the amount in question , but they will actually freeze ALL of your money.

They can freeze your money for up to 180 days and have done so in the past. Gee! wonder what happens to all that interest accruing in 180 day? Hmmm.., lemme think. Do you start to see a picture developing here on the benefits of " hold onto the cash for as long

Paypal says that such policies are " to protect the buyer ".... but what about you as the seller?. All well and good if you were not forced by Ebay to use Paypal for payments... but YOU ARE!

Full details on the horrors of selling and using Paypal can be found at www.paypalsucks.com ( I kid you not.., thats the name, and NO! I am not affiliated with them , I simply experienced the PENDING policy and luckily not the freeezing policy.

So in closing, I would not suggest buying a ham radio on Ebay and if you sell there , make sure you read VERY carefully Paypal's policy and find out if you item falls under the PENDINGHOLD policy.

Ebay and Paypal are nothing more or less than a very large and exceedingly profitable corporation, run in a cool, calculated way to do one thing...., make money and lots of it. No problem with that... I'm a capitalist myself. However, trying to portray themselves as just " a fun place to sell yer stuff" or " protecting buyers and sellers " is like a kick in the area North of the knees ,and South of the belly button.

BuyerSeller beware indeed!
 
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by AH6GI on June 16, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
Wa4jjh: "Sometimes, I can eat my heart out watching a Collins 1kw amp with a $100 start bid. Final cost will always be well over $1000!! "

Here you go....

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=170343625037>

"Collins 30L1 (R/E) Linear Amplifier *Plastic Trim Ring* New Old Stock JAN Cetron 811 Tubes (4) *Late Production"

Starting Bid: $495
Ended: Jun-14-09 18:31:40 PDT w/ no bids.
Buy-it-now: $995.

Listed by w0nkl who has 1,990 100% positive feedback.

The pictures show a nice, round emblem 30L-1. The plastic trim ring is discolored but compared to amps with extra holes, this one looks good.

If you want it, maybe give the seller, Jim, a call? He lists his name and phone number on the eBay.

de ah6gi/4
 
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