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First HF Contact and Other Stuff
Phil Chambley, Sr. (K4DPK)
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First HF Contact and other stuff
Over 54 years ago, when I first realized someone was actually answering my CQ, I was too excited to return his call. In fact, I couldn't copy his call….I panicked. I forgot the Morse code, my own call and my name. My impulse was to run screaming through the house for my parents (who knew nothing about ham radio) to tell me what to do.
The Old Timer who had answered my call must have understood, because he persisted and called me twice again. I finally calmed down enough to begin remembering a few of the things I had gleaned from listening. That turned into a very nice chat with a gentleman from South Carolina, and thus began my first few steps in a long learning experience about Amateur Radio.
Nowadays, it's much more likely that a first contact will be in voice rather than code, and given the experiences and observations over the past few years, here's how I'd go about a first HF phone contact:
I'd refrain from calling CQ right off the bat. A general call removes your ability to pick and choose someone with whom you feel comfortable. Save CQ for later.
Tune around and find a couple of stations engaged in a conversation. This should be done on a lower frequency band, or at least, under conditions where both sides of the conversation can be plainly heard. Small groups of two or three people are best for these purposes. Make sure they aren't deeply involved in a technical problem or working on something that shouldn't be interrupted, or that the topic isn't something either volatile or tedious. Make sure they're loud, because that improves the chances-- although it doesn't assure-- that they'll hear you OK.
At an appropriate lull, say, “Gentlemen, do you mind if I join you?” and give your call.
I absolutely would NOT say: 1) QSK! 2) BREAK BREAK BREAK!!! 3) CQ! or 4) CONTACT!! These aren't just inappropriate; they set the stage for criticism. By the way, make sure you`re in the correct band segment for your license class before you transmit.
Assuming the folks you've chosen to engage aren't complete social abortions, they'll probably invite you to join them.
(Let me say right here, I know a couple of semi-OTs whom I've heard tell people to “go away if they couldn't be any louder than that”. Ham radio has no place for that sort of behavior, and these people need to be banished.)
At that point, you should tell them up front they are among your first contacts, and you'd appreciate a few pointers. Tell them your name and where you're located.
With any luck at all, they'll take it from there.
Be careful not to start right in with terms you've heard other hams use. You'll find there's a vast difference in terminology between HF and VHF operators, and use of some phrases in the wrong arena might create a mistaken impression of irreparable “newness”. The use of “Personal” instead of name, or words like “Destinate” or any of the ten-codes is sure to draw fire on HF.
Use plain conversational language, and you can pick up suitable jargon along the way. Just relax and start meeting people. Listen to how conversations go, and you'll quickly see how it all works.
Like my hero Yogi Berra said, you can see a lot by observing.
When I first got my ham ticket, I came to understand fairly soon that if I was going to learn anything about my new (what I called then, but have since re-thought) hobby, I would learn it from the old guys.
What did I have to trade? My energy!
Whenever a tree needed climbing, I was there. Want to run a cable under your house? Hand it here. Stuff like that. Invariably, when I came down from the tree or up from digging a hole, there was a glass of iced tea and a lesson waiting. More often than not, when I left, I was the new owner of some new prize like a capacitor, or a roll of wire.
But most importantly, the OTs took an interest and taught me the things I would need to know. Why did they have an interest in helping me? Because I was interested in helping them.
Now the shoe is on another foot.
A couple of years ago, I got a phone call from a young man who would later become a very good friend. He told me his name and his call, and he said he had been referred to me by another ham. He had an intense interest in learning, while building, a linear amplifier. We made plans to begin on a trial basis, but it only took a little while for me to realize this young guy had “the fire” in him.
For the next three weeks, that young man wrote in his notebook every word I said, formulas, explanations, everything. And he did all the work. At the end of that time he had two things that he couldn't possibly have bought from e-bay or anywhere else: The satisfaction of having built something that worked well, and the knowledge and understanding required to repair or replace it if the time came.
I don't know why, but I see (more on e-ham than anywhere else) a lot of complaints by relatively new hams that the older hams are disrespectful, discourteous troublesome old codgers that are the source of all of ham radios' problems. As mentioned earlier, it's a good idea just to steer clear of these guys.
There's no doubt there are some older hams whose patience is thin or exhausted altogether, and these should do what they can to recover. I for one, am impatient with the criticism of “73s”…..I've been hearing and saying that for over fifty years…What's the problem?
At the same time, although it is rarely mentioned in these forums, there are many, many new operators committing such basic blunders as operating out of band, interrupting a conversation in the midst of a technical discussion, well, the list goes on.
Some in both groups behave like angry spiders, rushing to fight when their web is disturbed.
There's a lot of room for introspection in both groups. We old guys need to accept, teach and accommodate, and the less experienced should observe, adapt and, sometimes, tolerate. Once we begin doing that, we'll find there really is only one group…us.
I've been afflicted with the love of electronic communication since I was a very small child, and I've always winced when someone referred to ham radio as a hobby. I've said (not really joking) that collecting bugs in a jar is a hobby—ham radio is a lifestyle.
We each need to realize that ham radio can be a many-faceted life-long learning experience that has rewards for us all. We can reap those benefits more efficiently if we spend less time bickering and more time educating ourselves.
I've written this in the hope that it will help someone, and if it does, I will be pleased.
If it does not, or if you find it disagreeable, I wish you well in your pursuits.
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by N1OU on July 10, 2009
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A little nostalgia and a lot of good words, Phil. Thanks.
I did the same thing you did on my first contact as a Novice. It was just too, too much to think that somebody would actually answer me. I froze, too. Somehow, we all got over it, though. But, I'll never forget that incident.
I really like your point that being courteous and helpful is a great way to initiate friendships and learn new things in our hobby. Hams have a long tradition of helping each other. We need to make sure to pass that on to all the new operators who are joining us. I don't care if they know code or not, its the love of the hobby that matters. Elmering a new ham (or a potential one) is one of life's greater experiences.
73
Gordon, N1OU
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by N8NSN on July 10, 2009
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Phil, I agree with about 99.9% of what you are saying in this write about the "one group". Your positive outlook is encouraging.
I observed a statement, made near the end that set my mind into deeper consideration. I have a notion to where a large part of the problem of a "communications gap" (no pun intended) exists.
Here is your quote,
"There's a lot of room for introspection in both groups. We old guys need to accept, teach and accommodate, and the less experienced should observe, adapt and, sometimes, tolerate. Once we begin doing that, we'll find there really is only one group…us."
What stands out the most is,
"and the less experienced should observe, adapt and, sometimes, tolerate"
I completely understand the experienced frustration of dealing with people who do things in an incorrect fashion, then when someone points it out to help them, they storm off all upset and actually believe the system needs to "change" to accommodate their erroneous conduct or action.
On the flip side of this I understand the frustration in a 'newbie' when they actually find something new that works and are scoffed at by the seasoned participant who knows the "old school method".
The situation can be a paradox at times, to say the least.
I am a middle aged man (mid 40's) and have recently returned to college full time. It would appear that there is a generation coming up from childhood into adulthood that does not understand anything about "observation, adaptation, and tolerance". I won't pick it to pieces. I will say that what is coming through the entitlement generation, the generation of youngsters that expect a trophy simply for participation on the team, is a sad account of the overall direction of humanity. No wonder so many of the older set have lost their patience.
I will add that it is a beautiful thing to encounter a youngster who knows how to think, who has even a shred of respect, and who doesn't suffer from a lack of decent upbringing.
I long for the days when people begin to understand one another in a reasonable fashion, again. I think my longing will be very long.
Keep looking up,
Jim N8NSN (EX kc8byf)
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by K5END on July 10, 2009
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Phil,
VERY enjoyable article.
The tone and content of your article exemplify FB experience, knowledge and attitude. You set a fine example.
73 LK
PS. I followed the link to your web page and the cat vs. flypaper story. You have great talent and I hope you write more articles soon.
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by KB2DHG on July 10, 2009
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Very nice story, Yes, I too remember the very first time I heard my call come back on CW, it was a thrill I will never forget. Making your first contact on Voice is great but to me there was something real special and exciting about that first CW contact. For the people out there that do not do code, I only can say that you truly don't know all your missing in Amateur Radio.
Code, can be rewarding and fun. BUT This is about the story of the first contact and any first contact is a great thing. Just keep the bands alive!
Thank you.
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by N5TGL on July 10, 2009
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"I will say that what is coming through the entitlement generation, the generation of youngsters that expect a trophy simply for participation on the team, is a sad account of the overall direction of humanity."
Very true words.
My best solution to the old codgers is to go elsewhere. If they want to be rude, mean and crude, they can do it all by themselves. Eventually their bad behavior will catch up with them.
I have found some very nice people on HF, and had some really enjoyable QSO's. I didn't have the strongest signal on field day, but I found no shortage of operators who were patient enough for me to repeat my call until we made the exchange. I only wish that those same people were on the air more often. 15m was packed wall to wall on that day, but now you can't even hear a owl hooting in the distance out there.
Look forward to hearing you folks on 15m or 17m!
73's :)
N5TGL
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by K8SOR on July 10, 2009
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Phil,
Excellent article. I remember my first contact over 49 years ago--I still have the QSL card. The old gentleman was thought of by most as a gruff old man, but he took his time and helped me through my first QSO. Over the last 49+ years as a ham, I've had more contacts than I want to count, but none can compare to the "FIRST" one
73, Skip
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by K0BG on July 10, 2009
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I've seen another side of Elmering, which I don't like, and although I cope with it fine, I'm not sure how to change it. To wit:
There is a whole lot of technically misinformed amateurs, and for the most part, their newly licensed, say less than 10 years. It makes little difference what their educational background is, they still just can't fathom a factual concept which goes against their misinformed train of thought. Rather than listen, or learn from it, they attack it!
If a person really wants to learn, they will, and when they do, they'll be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Until then, attacking the bearer of truth (or fiction), does little more than impede the learning process.
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by WA1RNE on July 10, 2009
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Summarized, the message this article seems to be conveying is there is a big problem with new hams intermingling with old timers.
By the reference to CB procedure, i.e. "the use of personal" would seem to imply the target audience is likely to be a CB'er.
Do you really think some of these guys should be banished? Many of these folks simply have long standing schedules, many are retired and look forward to their round table discussions with old friends. Just like many people who have saved a lot of thoughts and then want to express them at a scheduled time, they tend to tune out others. I don't think that should be construed as being harsh, they're just preoccupied.
The ones who make fun of your signal strength are a bit on the arrogant side but those are generally the exception. They may also drive a Cadillac and like to make fun of the guy driving a Toyota Corolla - hey, what are you going to do?
Aside from that, I would advise a new ham to pick up a copy of the ARRL Operating Manual and a License Manual.
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=1093
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/index.php3?category=Help+for+Beginners
The ARRL still does a great job writing these materials. During the late 60's/early 70's these books were some of the best operating references I had.
...WA1RNE
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by N2EY on July 10, 2009
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Phil,
BRAVO!
This is one of the best ham radio articles I've ever read. You've put an incredible amount of history, useful info and personal experience in a very readable form. Thank you for expressing what a lot of us have been thinking for a long time but couldn't put across as clearly as you have.
I would only add two small things to the article:
1) I think it's a good idea for a new-to-HF ham to spend some time listening to real live amateur HF QSOs before trying to have one. In the old days we did this as a matter of course because most of us had a receiver long before we had a transmitter, and started out on HF, but it's not so common today.
2) I agree with your advice about not calling CQ right off, but I think it's OK to answer a CQ, as long as it's not "CQ DX" or a directional CQ aimed someplace else.
But those are two tiny additions to an article that is 100% good advice.
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The reason for the criticism of "73s" is that "73" is already plural, so "73s" means "best regardses". However, I think the best way to promote the "proper" use is simply to set the example, rather than getting all critical about it, as some do.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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by N2EY on July 10, 2009
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To N8NSN,
I hear what you're saying, and have encountered it more than once. But I don't think it's a generational thing as much as a personal thing. I've encountered hams of all ages and experience levels who act exactly as you describe.
IOW, don't blame a group for what some individuals do.
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One way I've found to deal with them is the "show, don't tell" method. For example, I once encountered some local club members who claimed "nobody uses code anymore" and that it was "slow and useless" "a waste of time" and such things.
Then came Field Day. 3 or 4 of us set up and ran a CW-only station at the local club FD operation, while a whole flock of others, including the critics, did 3 voice stations. With one CW rig we proceeded to make more points and more QSOs than the other 3 stations combined - even though they had a beam and we had only a dipole. We also copied the W1AW bulletin, sent the SM message, and were set up and ready to operate over an hour before FD started, while they were still setting up when FD began.
We didn't hear those "nobody uses code" comments any more after that.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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by AI4WC on July 10, 2009
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Phil:
I appreciate your words, and they reinforce why I love the hobby of amateur radio. Unlike (my) many other solitary hobbies like computers, photography and woodworking, interaction with others is often the biggest part of it. Such interaction is a skill and some of us do it naturally while others make it a difficult process. I have always believed that the hobby is predominately made up of "good" folks, but the others just seem to stand out more. I will close by simply saying "Thank you" to you and all the other good folks and as Bob Hope used to say, "Thanks for the Memories!"
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by N2EY on July 10, 2009
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To WA1RNE:
About the use of "personal"....
For me, the real issue in many of these operating issues is that it makes sense to do things as simply and clearly as possible.
Everybody knows what "name here is Jim" means. And it's just four simple syllables.
The meaning of "first personal here is Jim" isn't nearly so clear, and it's seven syllables. Why bother with jargon when regular English works better? We don't need CB jargon on the ham bands anyway, particularly when we already have something better.
There's also the hidden-meaning problem. "Handle" used to be just a 2-syllable way of saying "name", and is much older than CB. But in the 1970s it got a new meaning: a made-up name used to disguise the user's identity. IOW, to a CB'er, "handle" is NOT the person's real name, but rather a made-up persona meant to make it harder for FCC to track them.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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by K5NDB on July 10, 2009
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Very good article and :
"There's a lot of room for introspection in both groups. We old guys need to accept, teach and accommodate, and the less experienced should observe, adapt and, sometimes, tolerate. Once we begin doing that, we'll find there really is only one group…us."
truer words were never spoken. Right on!
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by KB1NRB on July 10, 2009
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"I've been afflicted with the love of electronic communication since I was a very small child, and I've always winced when someone referred to ham radio as a hobby. I've said (not really joking) that collecting bugs in a jar is a hobby—ham radio is a lifestyle."
Well put!! Thank you and all of the other experianced hams who take the time to guide we newer hams through the process of getting our "Air legs"
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by K5END on July 10, 2009
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There are three kinds of Elmering as I see it.
"Elmering type 1" (ET1) is how to get on the air and operate, ettiquette, procedures, how to learn code, what a "Cabrillo" log is, what radio is a good choice for a given level and how to find ones niche in this incredibly diverse hobby, etc.
"Elmering type 2" (ET2) is the technical stuff, antennas, tuning-vs-matching, propagation, grounding, safety grounding, grounding "planes," RFI, ground loops and so on.
"Elmering type 3" (ET3) is from an Elmer who is conversant in type 1 and type 2 knowledge.
I've had the fortunate luxury to know some great type ET1s, ET2s and ET3s.
But an ET1 does not necessarily make a good ET2, and vice versa.
quote: "There is a whole lot of technically misinformed amateurs, and for the most part, their (sic) newly licensed, say less than 10 years."
Alan, good point. However, I think you would agree there are quite a few old timers who are just as technically misinformed.
I know this because I've met a couple.
They make great, awesome, fantastic ET1s, but might be weak in ET2 skills. When they speak, I try to just listen politely because I don't see much chance of changing the way they have their minds made up. And there is much I can learn from these people, even if they don't know the tech stuff so well.
And in contrast I know a couple of retired EE's (who are newly licensed) who know far more about electronics and RF than the typical self-taught Elmer. These kinds of newbies can hit the ground running as an ET2, but are in DIRE, DIRE need of an ET1.
If an ET1 encounters a newbie who needs type 1 help, he should not be put off if the newb knows more about ET2 stuff than does the ET1. A good Elmer operates not on his ego.
The best time to be an Elmer is when someone asks for help, or it is apparent they would be receptive to advice, knowledge and experience. And yes, there is such a thing as a stupid question, but that does not mean the person asking the question *knows* it was a stupid question, nor that the person is congenitally stupid.
It is the wise Elmer who limits the scope of his Elmering to what he knows instead of what he thinks.
Al this is to make the point that "general" statements can be dangerously inaccurate, *generally speaking* (yes, that contradiction was supposed to be humorous.)
73 to all.
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by K5END on July 10, 2009
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Oops, sorry for the use of the term "hobby" in my previous post. I meant, "lifestyle." :)
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by AJ4MJ on July 10, 2009
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Great article Phil!
I agree with you about the jargon. After 16 years in the software industry I have heard all the jargon I care to ever hear. It may sound cool to some, but it can really get in the way of effective communication.
Sometimes I hear newbies on the air trying to use as much of it as they can and I just have to chuckle. I don't try and "correct" them (this is subjective in the first place), but I make it a point not to speak it back to them.
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by N4KZ on July 10, 2009
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Phil,
Great information for newcomers. We need more of this type of mentoring. Well done.
During a 10-meter QSO a few nights ago, a fellow said QSK between transmissions a couple of times but not his callsign. I honestly didn't realize at the time that he was trying to break into our QSO. In 40 years of ham radio, I had never heard QSK used in that context. (I do understand of course that QSK is full break-in on CW -- have used it many times.) I suppose that's a use of the term QSK from another radio service. A few evenings before, I called CQ on 10 meters only to have another station immediately begin calling CQ when I let up on the mike button. I soon learned that's how he thought stations answered a CQ. Of course, it's not.
I welcome newcomers to ham radio. We need them. And they don't have to know everything at once. There's no expectation of that. In fact, they only really need to know one thing -- and that's to listen to others on the air (and I mean experienced hams, not other newcomers who just got their ticket yesterday) and copy their on-air procedures. I can guarantee you that no experienced hams break into established communications by saying QSK on SSB or answer a CQ by calling CQ. Listen, listen, listen. And take notes. Lots of notes on how to answer a CQ, how to call CQ, how to call a station who has just signed clear with another station and so on. Do what experienced operators do and you really can't go wrong. And when you think you've got the feel of things, call someone, as Phil, suggested.
And leave your RIT off and when getting ready to answer my CQ, tune in my voice so that it sounds natural. And you're on frequency and ready to go! And please, please, when calling another station, give your callsign several times. Don't say it just once. With noise, fading, interference and so on, repetition is a good thing with callsigns. This is radio, not the telephone.
73 and enjoy,
Dave, N4KZ
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by WZ1P on July 10, 2009
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Good advise Phil. Thank you very much.
Dan.
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by KE4ZHN on July 10, 2009
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Great article Phil. To me, its always a pleasure learning from hams like yourself who share their knowledge and experience. I do hope you stop by and join our nightly round table more often. I enjoyed our last couple of QSO's and look forward to more in the future.
73 Rich KE4ZHN
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by N0FPE on July 10, 2009
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WOW excellent! And 99% of the replies are very good too. This is the way is should be!
My first CW contact 30 years ago was with JY1 in the 40 meter novice band. Scared me to death! He called me at least 10 times before I got my wits back!!!
"AIR LEGS" I like that!!!!
Dan
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by K4DPK on July 10, 2009
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Thanks guys, for what appear to be mostly kind words.
One thing I want to mention that I may not have emphasized enough, and about which I feel very strongly.
Some of the newer hams seem to blame all of the older ones for the rude behavior of a few. You see it on e-ham all the time. Whatever the subject might have been in the beginning, these guys always seem to find a way to complain about “old codgers” and “curmudgeons”.
Gentlemen, if you’ve had that many confrontations on the air, I suggest you examine your own behavior. I, for one, am doggone tired of hearing it.
I don’t think there’s anything we can do or say, short of just avoiding these few operators, so for Pete’s sake, let’s give it a rest.
Thanks again.
Phil C. Sr.
K4dpk
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by N6AFV on July 10, 2009
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I really liked your article - I didn't have that much "fear and trepidation" with my first CW contact - but maybe because I was a bit older. One thing that is also worth considering is that there may be other people like me - I was first licensed in 1969, but didn't do much with ham radio until the mid-70's. I used a club station at the company for which I worked & eventually got my own gear. When I moved to Nevada in 1982, I started working on my CW so I could get my General & eventually passed that test in late 1983. However - I don't get on the air much, I find that about every 2-3 years I'll fire up the rig & see what's going on, then tend to lose interest. For all practical purposes, I'm a newbie when it comes to modern modes & operating practices. I, too, have run into the "old timers" who believe that they have bought and paid for the frequency on which they've sat for the last 30 years, but in general, I've found most QSO's to be enjoyable. The bad propagation of the last few years has made my operating pretty spotty, and when the winter storms finally blew down my wire dipole, I never put it back up, but I'm thinking about trying again. Maybe now that the SWBC are out of 40 meters, I can use it at night!
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by K4DPK on July 10, 2009
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Y’know, one thing about being licensed back so long ago was that most of the 2m activity (at least around where I was) was on AM, and we did not have repeaters in those days. You could call CQ for a week on 2m, and if you didn’t call someone on HF and ask him to meet you there….well, you see what I mean.
So us (we) new guys, lacking a populated VHF band with ‘phone privileges, HAD to operate HF CW.
In the early fifties, following WWII, there was a LOT of surplus electronic equipment available for pennies at surplus houses and junkyards. This proved a valuable resource to kids like me, who had little money to spend on ham radio. And it also facilitated learning to build the equipment we couldn’t afford to buy.
I guess in a way, the fifties really were the best of times for young hams. I think it’s sad that the new fellows missed that remarkable era.
Phil C. Sr.
K4dpk
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by W7ETA on July 10, 2009
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Great article.
Fantastic, clear easy to follow, sensible prose.
It brought back fond memories of how afraid I was during my first Q. My hands shook as I wrote down the other ops call, and certainly as I tried to tap out good code with my straight key.
From my point of view, Novice ops were blessed with four advantages current Techs will never have:
1) we were forced into an established format for ham Qs
2) we were forced to abandon non-ham jargon--who in their right mind would haven sent CB lingo in a CW Q?! Imagine a CW signal report of "you're down in the mud", "your signal is tree-top tall"!?
3) grumpy, angry ops wouldn't have either the patience to copy slooooooow, erratic CW, or to have the patience to launch into tirades aimed at a ops struggling to copy at 10WPM or less.
4) were were limited to spectrum where everyone expected to encounter Dumb Novices (and everyone expected Novices to ask DUMB questions).
When I encounter a new ham, especially DUMB Techs, I try and remember they have been robbed of the advantages I had.
Plus, the time I spent having FUN getting my code speed up, was an opportunity to learn more about the physics of my hobby. Since there weren't any Elmers where I lived, and there wasn't an internet where I could draw attention to my lack of knowledge, had the luxury of talking with, and asking question to hams I met on the air.
The result was, that if I asked an incredibly stupid/dumb question, I didn't have to worry about being castigated by a chorus of critical clowns tooting their horns to inflated their own egos.
Best from HOT HUMID Tucson
Bob
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by K5END on July 10, 2009
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Well, I am puzzled by some of the comments.
Not once have I ever experienced a grumpy OF curmudgeon on the air from far away places or even in person among the local Hams in our club activities, breakfasts, breeze shooting, tall tale sessions, contests, etc.
And that is remarkable, considering that a very few of the hams I've met from time to time do, frankly, have grumpy OM tendencies. What that means is, in spite of a grumpy disposition, these guys know how to act politely and with a helpful attitude. The word for this type of person is, "gentleman." I recommend those not familiar with the term explore the concept.
For the life of me, the only denigrating, rude and negative comments I've heard from hams have been in internet postings and in emails. We already know the internet has a way of dehumanizing the entities behind the screen names. It's too easy to forget there are (with notable exceptions) human beings on the other end of that comment a poster submits.
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by WA1RNE on July 11, 2009
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"For the life of me, the only denigrating, rude and negative comments I've heard from hams have been in internet postings and in emails. We already know the internet has a way of dehumanizing the entities behind the screen names. It's too easy to forget there are (with notable exceptions) human beings on the other end of that comment a poster submits."
>>> Generally, I agree. Most people tend to act totally different when dealing with someone on the air or in person, but as you stated, there are the notable curmudgeons.
But when it comes to encroaching on one's frequency - that is, one that you have been using first - I have heard and experienced denigrating, rude and negative comments even as far back as the early 70's when I was first licensed. Actually that may be saying it too nicely.
Unfortunately, when it comes to "first dibs", many people forget any manors they once had, be it ham radio or first in line at the check-out counter. It's a big world out there so like a lot of things you just have to let this stuff slide and move on.
But as a whole, I believe the majority of hams hold themselves to a higher standard. Since our transmissions can be heard worldwide, we are supposed to conduct ourselves in a way that's worthy of representing the United States, not as some rogue communications club where anything goes.
...WA1RNE
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by N4KC on July 11, 2009
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I'm with K5END. In thousands of conversations and over 46 years of listening, I think I can count on one hand the times I have heard blatant rudeness on the air. Maybe a bit brusque or short, but not rude or obnoxious. I've heard more who perceived the other op was being rude and got his sensitivity ruffled.
Good write-up, Phil, and you were surely more effective in getting across some of the same points I was attempting to make in my little short story three articles below this one on the main page.
Jargon? I guess all pursuits develop their own "in" language that might baffle newcomers. Now, I think I'll QSY to the 'fridge, grab a cold 807, fire up the rice box, tweak the hollow-state after-burner, peck out a CQ, and see if any ZLs are propagating on the gray line. If not, I'll try PSK or check sporadic-E on the "magic band," or just pull the big switch--QRT--and see what the XYL's up to. 73. BCNU. SK.
Don N4KC
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by K4TTY on July 11, 2009
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Thanks Phil for the fine, well thought out article!
The time Phil has spent on the air, phone ect helping people in his time as a top notch ham operator is almost unmatched..if theres a better elmer im not aware of it..
I always try to learn from the oldtimers, they are the source of priceless information from people who have "been there done that"
k4tty/victor
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by K1DA on July 11, 2009
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Wise words from the founder of the Delegast net. (Hope I spelled it correctly)
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by K5END on July 11, 2009
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quote, "The time Phil has spent on the air, phone ect helping people in his time as a top notch ham operator is almost unmatched..if theres a better elmer im not aware of it.. "
I've never met Phil, but it's apparent from the things he said his article, and the way he said them (including his follow up comments,) that he is the essence of a FB operator.
He sets a fine example and I appreciate him and others like him. Sorry if this comment is embarrassing or uncomfortable for you, Phil.
In my (radio) employment over the years I'd met many Hams who doubled a love of radio as both a hobby and a career (why did I not do that???) and they seemed to have a lot in common with the "Elmer" qualities we are discussing here.
It may sound corny, but this is the type of person I'd always been told and believed Amateur Operators are like, and what I admired about this perception, in part, encouraged me to get licensed (finally.)
I'm very, very happy to know that my perception about these FB OM was and is accurate.
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by KI5BC on July 11, 2009
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My first ever contact was 10 Mtr SSB in '88 with a ham in WA state. I was weak after that!! Took everything I had to make a voice contact! My first CW contact was with a young lady. I thought it was a shaky old WW1 vet. The fist was hard for me to copy. Sadly, several moves have eaten the QSL cards...
Lee, WA5PZT was the crusty old Navy vet that I learned a lot from. Learned to climb towers with KA3PCL, and between the two of them and several Saturdays, I had an R390 and a stacked pair of 2 meter antennas as pay for removing a tower, and cleaning up the storage of a SK. I learned a lot from those two over the years.
My grandkids don't pronounce words too well yet, and stumble when they walk. It's expected. I didn't know split beans from coffee about ham radio when I got licensed, but that's expected. My kin used to say, it's not bad to be ignorant, but it is bad to stay ignorant. Time and elemering WILL make a difference to our newer brethern.
Excellent article.
de....Rynn
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by W5HTW on July 11, 2009
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DPK, I certainly agree with you about the 1950s. I call them the Golden Age of amateur radio.
As you say, we found military surplus cheap at the army-navy store. I bought ARC5s for 4 bucks per unit, brand new surplus, complete with tubes. With my part time weekly income of about 12 dollars, I could buy an ARC5 a month, and still take a girl out to the movies or roller skating twice a month! And keep some gas in my car.
But in the 50s is when we HAD to know electronics. We had old or homebuilt gear, and if it broke we had to fix it. No place to send it off to. We had to build things we needed, as we couldn't afford to buy them. Or we might trade for something from another ham, but it was usually homebuilt, too.
I got my Novice in 1956 (June) and my General just over a year later. I think my first Novice contact, though, was arranged with a high school classmate who had received his license at the same time. I found the license in the mail, called Johnny and asked if he could get on the air. So we had a contact that evening.
After that, though, I think my next contact was a YL in Kentucky. (I was in Tennessee.) I was unable to copy her at first, as I was too shook up. We had a short QSO and exchanged QSL cards.
That put me on my way. After school I would spend a half hour on 40 CW (the only crystals I had for the homebrew tranamitter) and almost always make one or two contacts.
Certainly ham radio has changed. As have the radios themselves. It is no longer a "make do" hobby, (and I DO call it a hobby, always have, always will until the public safety EMCOM aspect of it takes over entirely) but it sure used to me.
Good article you wrote, and I hope it falls on some willing ears.
Ed
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by K4DPK on July 11, 2009
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Hey Ed, thanks for the comments. You're right about the "Golden Age".
I had posted this in the Misc forum section about favorite old-time rigs. You might be interested:
Favorite old receiver:
Zenith floor model with the large round dial and a 6E5 "magic eye".
Pulled it out of the cabinet, removed all but a couple of plates from each section of the tuning capacitor, and padded it back with fixed micas so the 80, 40 and 20m bands were all around the dial. Made a cardboard dial with pencil calibration.
Broke the IF loose from the detector and coupled it to a BC-453 "Q-5er". That gave me double conversion, passband tuning, variable 2nd IF selectivity and a BFO. Came out of the ARC-5 detector and went back to the Zenith push-pull 6k6 audio output.
Great receiver for a kid who was a new ham with no money.
Transmitter:
Crystal controlled (later homebrew VFO) 6AG7 into a pair of 1625s in class C.
Those were the good old days.
Phil C. Sr.
k4dpk
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by N0AH on July 11, 2009
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Just when I thought I could not learn something new...................
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by N2EY on July 13, 2009
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My first SW receiver was a 2 tube regenerative set. 6SN7-6K6GT. Not a very good rx but it worked well enough to let me learn Morse from listening to hams on 80 meters. One hand on the pencil, other hand on the tuning, it wasn't "arm-chair" by any means.
First transmitter was a simple 6V6GT oscillator for 3726 kc. Power supply was an old Philco TV set that could have powered a 150 watt tx easily. Only thing bought for the tx was the crystal. As a 13 year old, I didn't have much money for radio.
The regenerative was eventually replaced by a Heathkit AR-2, which was basically an S-38 with a power transformer. An SX-99 replaced the AR-2. The oscillator tx was replaced by a DX-20 and later an Adventurer.
Discovered ARC-5s and went through 1 or 2 before hitting upon the idea of a crystal-controlled converter feeding a BC-453. Not a new idea; it appeared in QST several times as far back as 1948. Such a receiver is probably the simplest and best beginner's setup ever.
I soon found I could homebrew better rigs than I could buy with limited funds, so by high school I had a pair of 1625s and a homebrew 10 tube receiver made from ARC-5 and surplus parts. There are pictures of a later version, (mid-1970s) on the HBR website.
IMHO one of the greatest things about amateur radio is that we can use an enormous variety of technologies, modes, bands and power levels without certification, approval, channelization, etc. Get an idea, build a rig, get it on the air and see what it can do.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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by K6YE on July 13, 2009
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Phil,
Great article. My code speed was at about 15WPM on my first contact. Even so, my legs were rubbery. However, after that first contact, I was a peacock.
Previously I had spent many moons copying code of actual QSOs. I requested QSLs (as an SWL) and received a lot of encouraging words. I also copied AP and UPI press releases (which helped me towards my extra class). Because I could not afford SSB, which was new in those days, I stayed on CW for ten years. My first SSB transmitter was a Gonset GSB-100.
I have been teaching code and theory for 30 years. I am currently involved with the Boulder Amateur Radio Club (BARC Juniors) in Boulder, Colorado. I get a big kick in helping the kids get on the air. This is a great time to teach them the correct jargon and habits.
I think others have hit the nail on the head by "being the example." It is okay to correct others as long as it is done in a nice manner. The statement that gets my goat is "What's your personal?"
Keep up the good work. Enjoy the hobby while you are still vertical.
Semper Fi,
Tommy - K6YE
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by N2EY on July 13, 2009
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Some pictures of a homebrew receiver I built back in the 1970s. Total cost about $10, which went for the IF xtals and the audio toroids.
See if you can guess what the tuning dial used to be.
http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Jim/jiminfo.doc
http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Jim/SilverRX1.jpg
http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Jim/SilverRX2.jpg
http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Jim/SilverRX3.jpg
http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Jim/SilverRX4.jpg
http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Jim/SilverRX5.jpg
http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Jim/SilverRX6.jpg
Picture of current setup:
http://www.qrz.com/callsign/N2EY
73 de Jim, N2EY
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by N6AFV on July 13, 2009
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Jim (N2EY),
That homebrew receiver is totally cool!!! Mine were never that ingenious (although I used a lot of TV tubes in them!).
I sometimes put ham radio in the context of automobiles. Years ago, most guys (and I'm not ignoring the ladies, but the vast majority were guys) knew something about engine operation & could adjust points, do basic tune-ups, etc. Now, the cars have much more power, pollute just a fraction of what they used to, get better fuel economy, and can run for a long time without major maintenance. This is a result of the combination of modern materials, fuel injection, and electronic ignition. The downside is that, just as with modern radios (look at the block diagram of my IC-718, as an example) modern engine control systems are hard to troubleshoot & repair without a lot of expensive equipment. There are always tradeoffs with higher technology, and one of them is that it is harder for individuals to work with it. I do designs that use SMT IC's that can barely be manipulated with tweezers, and the manufacturers don't make the same parts in DIP packages (although they could - the IC just has 10 leads/pads/bumps). The average hobbyist would find it difficult, if not impossible, to make a project with these parts.
Having said all that, I do believe that there is still a place for kids to build and use low-tech electronic projects, just to stoke the "I did it myself" fire that will hopefully translate into an ongoing interest in not just ham radio, but technology in general. The newest products will have to come from somewhere!
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by K4JC on July 13, 2009
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Having received my first ham license at the tender age of 14, I have a soft spot in my heart for kids getting into ham radio. I can remember many guys, newbies and OTs alike, who were very (sometimes overly) patient with me as I learned about operating procedures, tuning finals, installing antennas, etc. One gentleman would drive out of his way to give me a ride to the local club meeting, another did his best to interface a GLB synthesizer (remember those?) to my rockbound 2-meter rig (it never did work.) These days I try to elmer kids whenever I can, because I know what an impact ham radio has had on my life for the past 30-plus years. Indeed, it is a lifestyle; it has introduced me to people and taken me places that would otherwise have been impossible. Where else can an average Joe talk with people famous and unknown, in places you could never go, or perhaps never even knew existed?
On one other note - the term "personal" drives me crazy as well. If someone asks me, "What's your personal?" I respond with something along the lines of, "I'm not certain what you mean by my personal, but I'll be glad to tell you what I can as long as it's not too personal!" That way no one is offended, and the other operator realizes that 'personal' is not used on the ham bands.
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by N2EY on July 13, 2009
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To N6AFV,
Thanks for the comments on that old receiver. It was made from available parts, including tubes from old TVs. The terminal strip and resistors in the rear corner are in the heater circuit so that a variety of tubes could be used, including series-string tubes like the 5U8, 3BZ6 and 7AU7. "Conventional" 6 and 12 volt heater tubes could also be accomodated by changing jumpers.
Did you figure out the dial yet?
Your auto context is very good. I'd expand it a bit, though.
In the old days many people worked on their cars because they had to. My first car was a 1974 model, and it needed a complete tuneup every three to four thousand miles or wouldn't run right - if it ran at all. Points, spark plugs, condensor, rotor and oil were changed that often, and I learned to do it myself for cost and convenience reasons. Air and oil filter could go a bit longer, but they became common changes too.
Tires didn't last long either; 30,000 miles was a very long time for a tire then. Most lasted 20-25,000 at best.
But such basic maintenance has largely disappeared from cars, except maybe oil changes. On top of that, the warranty often requires documentation of maintenance, so it may be cheaper in the long run to go to a recognized service facility.
Amateur radio is different, of course, because we have the option of homebrewing (see my QRZ page), kitbuilding (see Elecraft.com), restoring old rigs or buying new.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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by K4DPK on July 13, 2009
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K4JC....
One of the funniest things I've heard happen on ham radio was when a friend of mine named Clarence answered a fellow who had asked him "What's your personal ?".
Clarence, in his mellow Southern drawl, said, " Oh, I guess it's about average."
I nearly broke a rib.
Phil C. Sr.
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by W4HIJ on July 13, 2009
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I vividly remember my first contact as well. I was fifteen years old and using my Dad's Drake TR-4. I had my own key I had been given for Christmas. I preferred the "navy" knob over my Dad's straight key that didn't have one. I had the same nervousness and panic and couldn't half copy the code. I would have missed part of what the guy on the other end was saying to me but luckily in my case I had my Dad standing right there behind me and he provided a "fill" anytime I missed something.
I have somehow lost my QSL for that first contact over the years but I distinctly remember that the op's name was Tom and that he was right around sixteen himself.
He was in Arkansas and I believe his call to have been KA5AMR. I was here in Georgia with the call KA4FVJ. I'm forty six now so that was thirty years ago. What would be the chances of us meeting here after all these years?....Nahhhh
Anyway thanks to the vanity call program I now have my late Father's call. It's a wonderful reminder of him and things that I shared with him like that first contact. Good points in your article and thanks for bringing back a pleasant memory.
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
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by K4JC on July 14, 2009
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Phil K4DPK...that's hilarious! Clarence must be quite a character.
Just like many others here, I have lost my first QSL cards, but I can clearly remember my first contact. I owned a Heathkit SB-401 transmitter and had put up a dipole for 40/15 meters, but I had no receiver yet. Of course the day my Novice ticket arrived I was itching to get on the air. I called a friend who lived nearby and had him listen for me tuning up. Then I had him lay the phone by his speaker while I tapped out a CQ. Sure enough, Don, WB3KUH from all the way on the other side of town came back to me and I had my first contact! Amazing how I can't remember your name and call five minutes after you tell me, but I do remember the name and call of my first contact 30-odd years ago!!
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by KX5JT on July 15, 2009
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"For me, the real issue in many of these operating issues is that it makes sense to do things as simply and clearly as possible.
Everybody knows what "name here is Jim" means. And it's just four simple syllables.
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Why not just say "My name is Jim." ??? What can be simpler than that?
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by N2EY on July 15, 2009
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KX5JT asks: "Why not just say "My name is Jim." ???"
Exactly! You got the point!
KX5JT: "What can be simpler than that?"
That's what I'm saying. Why clog it up with jargon like "personal" or "handle"?
On CW, I send "NAME JIM"
In fact, a typical first exchange on CW (assuming you answered my CQ) looks like this:
KX5JT DE N2EY R TNX CL UR 599 IN WAYNE PA NAME JIM HW? KX5JT DE N2EY K
On Field Day, I spend less time per QSO on CW (running about 25 wpm) than many of the voice ops, because although they talk 100-150 wpm, they put in so many extraneous words and unnecessary repeats that it takes them longer to complete a QSO.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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by WB4GUD on July 15, 2009
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This should be required reading for all hams, us OTs and newbies. Few of us would be hams today without help from the OTs of yesteryear.
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by K8IZ on July 16, 2009
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I remember my first HF phone contact. I just got back from the Detroit, MI field office with my new General Class Ticket. I was now WB8UQA interim DT. I fired up my Drake TR4CW on 75 Phone during the daytime it was about 1:00 PM or so. I heard a couple of gentlemen chatting and between them I signed "Break WB8UQA interim DT" as I had heard others do in the past few months before I received my General.
One of the OPs came right back to me and said rather gruffly "What do you want...a signal report?" The other person in the QSO laughed and said to him that that is exactly likely what I wanted and proceeded to greet and welcome me. I'll soon be 57 and have been waiting to become the crusty operator. :) I'll have to wait for a few more years I suspect. I have had a few laughs from my first phone contact over the years though.
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by KB1ONE on July 17, 2009
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Thank you. Your wisdom is refreshing in this world at large, not just the HAM community. I am new to the license, but old to the work, having first operated HF in the Army over 20 years ago (RTTY/CW). I have yet to make my first 'civilian' contact, for lack of a suitable power supply, but I have been listening for a couple of years. As I have reenlisted and I now prepare to deploy overseas, I have to shift my daily labors towards getting my affairs in order. And the Army will not allow me to operate in theatre.
I will return, and I will find my way onto the air with you. Most likely it will be CW, on the homebrew straight key I ground out of a big chunk of brass from the Bronx, mounted on the mahoganey I got in New Orleans (before Katrina). Because of you, and many of the hams I personally know, I am very much looking forward to it.
Expect no 'big guns' here; that is just not my way. One radio, one operator and a windswept piece of wire. It is just me, with an Alinco DX-70 and a homebrew 4 band center loaded wire dipole. A sky loop my be in the future.
I will promise you this. I will always make room for the faintest signal. Is that not the greater radio challenge? Can that not be the better contact? Might it not be the bigger joy of this 'lifestyle'?
Thank you again. You have warmed my heart. 73
KB1ONE
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by W4AMP on July 18, 2009
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Great article Phil. Please do more. I have benefited greatly from your advice, and you are one of the best elmers I know.
73 OM
Jim
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by K4DPK on July 18, 2009
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KB1ONE….
Thank you John, for your very kind remarks.
Thank you also for your service to our country. Please get in touch when you return to the states.
Best wishes and God bless and protect you and all our troops.
Phil C. Sr.
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by W4RDM on July 21, 2009
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Phil,
Thanks for putting it into words. I miss the old timers that took the time to help me find my way in Ham Radio.
I'm glad to call you a friend and elmer.
73,
Ron Mott W4RDM
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by N2EY on July 22, 2009
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W4AMP writes: "Great article Phil. Please do more."
Yes, please do!
I think many of us benefit from them. Often we may know the subject, but being able to express and explain it is another thing entirely. Articles like yours help in both areas.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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by KC8YEC on August 3, 2009
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Great article! I still consider myself a newbie. I'm always trying new things, experimenting w/ antennas, building components and kits for the shack. I've only been an Extra class for a couple years now. I really enjoy being VE as well.
My first HF contact was as KC8YEC. It was with I2NFW. My wife heard me trying to answer someone. I finally made contact, and she heard me say something about "MI, USA..." since that was different than what she heard me say on 2M. She asked who I was talking to, and I told her I2NFW from Italy. I think she was as excited as I was as she knew how much time and effort I had put in my station: ICOM IC751 to a 10-80M Windom @ 30'. We were heading to a brunch for her Dad's birthday, and of course the conversation at the table steered toward ham radio.
What fun!
73,
Doug/KB8M
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by K9CTB on August 6, 2009
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Thanks for a great article, Phil. I saw this some days ago and thought, "I gotta read this one soon!"
It's soon.
It brought back a lot of memories about my first days as a ham and my first CW HF contact. I even received a "FCC", "First Contact Club" award from the OM I chatted with. His call is W8RJL. A more wonderful guy, I doubt you'll ever meet.
I especially remember a subsequent chat with W8RJL on 10 meter CW where he was showing me where the band limits on my receiver were. I was using a SP-600JX (I wish I still had it), and a Johnson Viking Ranger transmitter as I recall. I was so excited as a brand new ham ... to be talking to a "real" ham ... on CW even ... that I transmitted BACK to him on each of the novice BAND EDGES!!!! SHEESH!
I remembered the lesson however ... and Ron's admonishment wasn't that bad.
73 es thanks for bringing back some great memories.
de Neil
K9CTB
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