Riley Hollingsworth Speaks! (July 9) Bethlehem, PA:
Bob Green (KE3AW)
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IT'S NOT TOO LATE! Riley Hollingsworth will speak this Thursday in Bethlehem, PA .
Former FCC Official RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH will speak at Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA, July 9.
The Delaware-Lehigh Amateur Radio Club (DLARC), Nazareth, PA, will present "An Evening with Riley Hollingsworth - LIVE!, on July 9, 2009 at 7:30 pm, in Lehigh University's Packard Lab, Bethlehem.
This will be a rare local appearance by former Special Counsel for the Spectrum Enforcement Division of the FCC's Enforcement Bureau. As our 2009 Keynote Speaker, Mr. Hollingsworth will engage us with the compelling challenges he confronted during his famous tenure of enforcing FCC rules, followed by a Question and Answer session.
For more information see:
http://www.dlarc.org/ ,
ke3aw@arrl.net or phone 610.432.8286.
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by K4RAF on July 5, 2009
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Will I be able to hear that giant sucking sound from down here?
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by W7CNK on July 5, 2009
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Enough is Enough, just retire please.
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by W6WBJ on July 5, 2009
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Why would anybody want to hear anything that "loser" Hollingsworth has to say? His tenure as "SCARE" was a complete failure, not to mention being totally counterproductive. The jamming problem on ham radio got worse during his tenure, not better. He also failed miserably at the previous jobs he held with the Commission. I guess some hams are just gluttons for punishment.
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by KE4ZHN on July 5, 2009
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This should be a great cure for insomnia.
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by W6WBJ on July 5, 2009
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For further information, please visit:
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Riley Hollingsworth Speaks! (July 9) Bethlehem, PA:
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by N9ZAS on July 5, 2009
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I hope he brings a change of clothes...all those tomatoes,and eggs,hmmm?
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by KB9RQZ on July 5, 2009
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the ego of that man is something else
If I had had his job and his record Id be hiding or apologizing myself
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by N0YXB on July 5, 2009
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I think this will be interesting and I'd attend if I lived closer to PA.
Vince
N0YXB
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by W3WN on July 7, 2009
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Vince,
Ignore the catcalls. The man is well worth listening to.
Were it not for a conflicting previous engagement, I'd make the trip myself!
73
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by W2MB on July 7, 2009
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I'll be there. Over the years I've talked with him personally and heard him speak publicly. This man involved the FCC in our hobby.
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by KK4BH on July 7, 2009
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It wouldn't surprise me if some of the call signs of those who don't like Riley were in one of his "Take Action" databases.
73's
Ken
KK4BH
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Riley Hollingsworth Speaks! (July 9) Bethlehem, PA:
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by KB9RQZ on July 7, 2009
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perhaps but some hams like myself did not like his attidue when they dealt with him as the complaining party
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by W3WN on July 8, 2009
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OTOH, some of us had very good experiences dealing with Riley when a legitimate complaint had to be filed.
Obviously, YMMV, VWPBL(STn).
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by WB5YDK on July 8, 2009
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I think Riley did a good job. We need someone like him who is willing to deal with the misfits within our ham radio ranks.
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by KE4ZHN on July 8, 2009
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No Ken, I never had any dealings with Hollingsworth at all. But it was quite obvious that he was selective about who he threatened and warned while the blatant rules violators seemed to get away with anything they wanted with seeming impunity. It was also obvious that hams RH didnt personally like were targets of his even when he had to "invent" violations to use against them. Fair and impartial????
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by W3WN on July 8, 2009
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Although Richard claims it was "quite obvious," Riley's actions were nothing of the kind.
Wonder who's pals of his got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, so to speak?
But that's still neither here nor there. This is, after all, essentially a news item. Riley was convinced to make a rare public speaking appearance -- again, contrary to what some in this thread would like to persuade you to believe -- and those who are interested in hearing him speak and/or discussing specifics with him afterwards are welcome to do so.
Those who aren't interested need not muddy the waters by proclaiming their lack of interest in the news.
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by W6EM on July 8, 2009
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Its too bad that Hollingsworth will have a friendly audience. He should be asked some hard questions. For example, **why** has not K1MAN been brought before an ALJ, yet Riley's slapped many a helpless licensee for using a local troll's repeater without permission.
I'd frankly like to ask Ms. Smith why she didn't prosecute the Indianapolis PD, yet threw the book at one individual operating a radio without a license.
Maybe Hollingsworth can answer both queries, since he's expert at selective prosecution.
Speaking of experts, hey WN, you seem to know it all, from past interrogetories. Maybe you can answer the above for your chum bud Gettysburgian minitug captain.
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by W3WN on July 9, 2009
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Gee Lee,
Are you still sore because I relied on W3YNI's attorney (who also happens to be my attorney, and a licensed ham) for legal advised on his tower case, instead of your armchair-quarterback opinions with no legal background, no knowledge of Pa state law, and no insight as to the specifics and details of Chuck's case?
Oh, and what the heck is a "chum bud" anyway? Sounds like a character on "Sponge Bob Square Pants" -- I'll have to ask my 6 year old niece about that one.
73
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by KE4MOB on July 9, 2009
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"will engage us with the compelling challenges he confronted during his famous tenure of enforcing FCC rules"
And this is deserved of such high praise...how???
We're talking bout a bureaucratic appointee who oversaw the rules and regulations regarding an activity practiced by less than two tenths of one percent of the U.S. population (0.2%).
Compelling challenges and famous tenure? Uhh...no. Congressional leaders? Supreme Court Justices? Presidents? Yes.
Riley..No.
The person writing this probably believes the "when all else fails" stuff too....
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by KE4ZHN on July 9, 2009
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Well Ron, your theory about my "pals" being caught is false. What I stated in my post I stand behind. I dont want to name people on here...but I will sight them in an anonymous manner for examples.
A certain west coast amateur was targeted several times by RH for supposed violations. He was accused of jamming, playing music and various other violations. The so called "evidence" was submitted to RH based on personal grudges other west coast hams had against this individual. Since when is this worthy of use in a court of law when said evidence is not obtained by FCC personnel? But thats another story.
While this person was being harassed by RH, several notorious unnamed hams were up on 14.275 breaking every rule in part 97 daily..many times a day...for years on end. The only "action" RH took against any of those guilty parties was lame worthless warning letters. Now, you may want to answer me as to why some can seemingly get away with virtually anything on the air, while others are threatened with ALJ hearings, fines and various other unpleasant things, while the worst offenders get away with slaps on the wrist. This sure stinks to high heaven of cronyism! Again...Fair and impartial??? This is just one example, I could go on, but since your in love with RH, its a waste of time trying to point out facts to you.
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by W6EM on July 9, 2009
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Its now almost midnight, EDT on July 9th. What did he say?
Did he explain why some were under prosecuted or ignored and others committing the same offense received zealous prosecution?
Perhaps he had an explanation for Ms. Smith's touchy feely treatment of the Indy PD and applying the full Monty to just one non-cop unlicensed 2M transceiver user.
Someone from PA surely can publish a synopsis of what he said.
W3WN, who is a demonstrated spert on Pennsyltucky's recodification of PRB-1 asked what I meant by "your chum bud Gettysburgian minitug captain."
I guess that is a bit too cryptic. Try K4ZDH. He's the owner and operator pictured behind the helm of one. Of course, the photo was compliments of K1MAN.
73.
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by W2MB on July 10, 2009
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Excellent presentation, he covered a multitude of topics including how a fraction of one percent of licensed amateur radio operators behave anti-socially.
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by W3WN on July 10, 2009
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Thanks for the brief report Mark. If you get a chance, anything more detailed would be appreciated (if nothing else, I'm sure I'm not the only newsletter editor who'd appreciate a short synopsis)
Pay no attention to Lee or Richard. Their descent into personal and ad hominem attacks... which I've come to expect from Lee in the past... merely proves that they have nothing factual to add to the conversation, they just like expounding on their alleged grievances and dumping on anyone who questions them on it.
73
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by KK4BH on July 10, 2009
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I have been following this thread from its beginning and quite frankly it reminds me of a typical day at work. I am a "people greeter" at WalMart. I get to see a cross section of todays society every day. One thing I have learned after almost 50 years of hamming and dealing with the public is that it is impossible to please everybody. I could tell you some stories from work but they don't deal with ham radio.
73's
Ken
KK4BH
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by KE4ZHN on July 10, 2009
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Attacks? I made no derogatory remarks towards you or RH. I simply stated known FACTS! RAF had it right when he mentioned giant sucking sounds....some of you never cease to amaze me how you highly praise a man who selectively enforced the rules as one of the best enforcers the FCC ever had...hilarious!
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by W3WN on July 10, 2009
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Facts? What facts?
You complain about his actions, but you state that you personally weren't involved in anything, and your complaints are all based on what happened to others -- people whom you stated above aren't "friends" (as referenced in the "caught with their hands in the cookie jar" post. You refuse to name names or calls, or even given any specifics.
I personally dealt with Riley twice, on both attempts made by another organization to steal my club's call sign (N3SH, if you want to actually bother to look up the situation).
Instead you misrepresent what I said and add insulting commentary on top.
To be blunt, and with no disrespect intended, you sound like my 5 year old niece when she's caught in the act by her parents or grandparents, and then tries to deflect blame on her 6 year old sister or 3 year old brother. You may well be as innocent as the freshly fallen snow, but you certainly act (post) otherwise.
In any event, since the event in question is now over, this all becomes academic. But it is truly a pity that you (and others) tried to heap mud on the man and his reputation, and tried to discourage people from going to his talk, listening to what he had to say, and asking the hard questions that Lee wanted asked. Makes a reasonable person wonder what you're so afraid of that you have to try and squelch the event.
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by W6EM on July 11, 2009
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OK, WN. You win.
Here's a few, and the first a callsign theft by none other than an ARRL Section Manager in West Central Florida. Result: Looked the other way.
ARRL Again: Encouragement of Pactor III that violated the intent and spirit of bandwidth constraints in FCC regulations. Result: Looked the other way.
W6WBJ. He has the wherewithall to defend himself against 3rd party complaints. What about all of the people who didn't and were victims of such things as repeater trolls' complaints to RH over use of "their property?"
K1MAN. Going on four years with privileges to continue to operate while his application to renew is in "pending" status. Pending forever? Why? Are there arguments he has that are valid that ARRL has done some of the things he's accused of and would come out in a hearing?
Oh, but the ARRL's former "Ham of the Year" couldn't bring himself close to tarnishing his benefactor.
Pulling the license of convicts while in prison serving time for various crimes and others who have served their sentences and been released. Simple. Yet, for example, Kevin Mitnick, who served his time and after completing his sentence got to renew his license? I seem to remember Riley pulling the licenses after the fact of many people who had already served their time.
There's a pattern here, in case you haven't noticed. Those who have the means and the moxy to defend themselves either aren't prosecuted or easily prevail when charges are challenged.
It's the little people, folks, who are the victims. All RH had to do was refer appealed cancellations or renewal refusals to an ALJ hearing in DC. And, how many can afford to hire expensive FCC DC defense counsel, let alone invest in travel and a week's stay in DC to keep their ham license? See how easy it was to squash whoever was convenient and unable to defend themselves?
If his use of the system were fair, those accused should be able to defend themselves locally, in a federal district court or before a federal magistrate. But that would force the FCC to send its accuser and support staff, all expenses paid, all around the country and give the hapless accused a chance to prevail.
So, WN, thanks for allowing me the opportunity to answer your request. It's obvious to many how the mantra of selective and unfair prosecution of little people works and continues under RH's successor, Ms. Laura Smith. Her refusal to prosecute the multiple Communications Act violations of the Indianapolis Police Department is a glaring example. This, while on the other hand she voraciously prosecuted a single, unlicensed user of a 2M transceiver.
Go ahead and put RH on a pedestal and listen to his grousing about the few who understood/understand his game and how it was played. Yes, we should all sit silently by and accept his approach to law enforcement (not).
73,
Lee
W6EM/4
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by W6EM on July 11, 2009
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"It wouldn't surprise me if some of the call signs of those who don't like Riley were in one of his "Take Action" databases."
Really? I suppose you could be inferring, perhaps, a tad bit of retaliation. Interesting.
But, what about things like his conflict of interest with respect to ARRL in having been anointed "Ham of the Year?" Did he recuse himself publicly, from that date forward, from all amateur radio enforcement issues where ARRL was the accused or a party to any actions?
I think not.
73.
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by KK4BH on July 12, 2009
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"by W6EM on July 11, 2009
"It wouldn't surprise me if some of the call signs of those who don't like Riley were in one of his "Take Action" databases." by KK4BH
Really? I suppose you could be inferring, perhaps, a tad bit of retaliation. Interesting."
No, I'm inferring, "If the shoe fits, wear it."
"by W6EM on July 11, 2009
But, what about things like his conflict of interest with respect to ARRL in having been anointed "Ham of the Year?"
Seems to me like a "tad bit" of jealousy.
I think you should consider patening whatever has you so upset at Riley. It could replace Viagra, Cialis and Levitra, making you a fortune. I believe you have proven here it has given you a strong long lasting "hard-on" toward him.
73's
Ken
KK4BH
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by W6EM on July 12, 2009
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All I have a "hard on" for is justice. Honest, objective and fair.
Clearly, you can apparently read, but choose not to believe.
Jealous? Dios mio. I'm no lawyer. A very distant realtive was, though.
I have no use, nor should anyone else who believes in our system of justice, for law enforcement officials that don't behave ethically.
And, yes, that includes accepting gifts and awards that have the appearance of helping influence future decisions.
Frankly, more important punches pulled than those that met their mark.
Wih respect to chemical substances, the aforementioned list of example performance is akin to a rift of butyric acid. Hold your nose.
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Lee
W6EM/4
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by KK4BH on July 12, 2009
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"by W6EM on July 12, 2009 All I have a "hard on" for is justice. Honest, objective and fair."
Honest, objective and fair justice. Sounds great, doesn't it? Unfortunately it is almost impossible to achieve, especially in a society like ours. The closest you can come to reaching this perfection is from the viewpoint of the creators of this justice system. But even they know their system is not perfect.
Now, there are many different kinds of justice. "Street" or "gang" are two kinds. Don't forget "Mafia" justice. I grew up in Chicago and we had form of "Chicago" justice. After moving down south I heard of "hillbilly" justice. All of these "justices" were honest, objective and fair in the eyes of their creators. I still believe in "Good Old American" justice. It may have its faults, but given a choice, I'd take it any day. Just think if we had "Taliban" justice. Why we could behead bad operators on amateur television.
What kind of justice do you want, Lee? From your postings on this thread, you and a select few plan to trash Riley til hell freezes over. I think Riley did a good job with the resourses available.
73's
Ken
KK4BH
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by W6EM on July 12, 2009
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You're entitled to your opinion, but its just that, your opinion.
I've cited some examples. Thus far, you haven't dismissed them with explicit reasons why RH did what he did or didn't, as the case may be.
I've cited some examples of selective enforcement and selective unenforcement or improper enforcement. So far, you've offered that you liked what Riley did with what he had.
Frankly, there are many who probably feel as you do and many who think the way I do.
In fact, it is possible that he was asked to retire. Not that anyone here knows one way or the other. I seem to remember he filed his papers once, then pulled them to "see some things through to a conclusinon," ostensibly. None of the high profile inconsistencies were resolved in the ensuing time. Then, he announced his retirement all over again.
There's one case I forgot to cite earlier where a Florida ham was vilified falsely in public by one of his Enfarcement Letters that ARRL circulated routinely. When the complainant was found to have lied, the complainant was neither identified publicly nor charged under federal statutes for willful false statements to a federal official. Something RH always reminded folks of in the closing paragraph of his letters.
That one really left a bitter aftertaste.
73.
Lee
W6EM/4
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by KE4ZHN on July 13, 2009
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Whats the use Lee? You try and point out facts to these clowns, and they ignore it and instead resort to personal attacks. None of which actually contain facts that dispute what either of us said. Perhaps if some of these hero worshipers would spend less time kissing the butt of their messiah and actually reading and listening to whats going on on the bands, they may realize that we both didnt make this stuff up. Then again..you cant reason with a brick so why bother?
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by W3WN on July 13, 2009
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Now what on God's green earth has Laura Smith's refusal (to date) to prosecute the Indianapolis Police Department -- an (in)action by her that I do NOT support, and never have, in any way shape or form (if anything, the police should be held to a higher standard) got to do with putting Riley Hollingsworth on a pedestal, which I for one have never done?
Without knowing all the facts in the cases you cite, I am not in a position to know whether or not the correct decision(s) were made.
Frankly Lee, based on what I've seen of your ability to misread information, I would not at all be inclined to accept your conclusions at face value either. I know what your opinion of Pa Act 88 is -- what you put down as the Pa PRB-1 -- and I know what my lawyer's opinion of it is (in fact, we discussed it during a break in the IARU on Saturday; first time he's had enough time to get on the air in weeks). But I will never convince you that you are mistaken, at least in this case, because you will not read the facts when they get in the way of your beliefs.
Sorry to put it so bluntly, and no disrespect is intended, but: on at least this issue you don't know jack squat.
Thus, one can extrapolate from that, that you are equally misinformed on other more important issues as well, until proven otherwise.
The bottom line remains this: Riley was asked by his superiors at the FCC to take charge of Amateur Radio enforcement issues after years of neglect. After over 10 years on the job, it's clear that he made a difference and helped clean things up. Was he perfect? I doubt it; who is?
In my own personal dealings with him, at the time I was President of my club, I found him fair and knowledgeable... but you'd better have your facts right, because he was sharp enough to look for the little "gotchas" and make sure they were cleared up one way or the other. The group was, of course, quite pleased out the outcome -- which contrary to another poster in this thread, hardly makes us butt kissers. Were we 100% happy? Actually, no... Riley threw a bone to the other group that caught us by surprise, as we didn't find out about it until the official "Knock It Off" letter was sent & then broadcast on Newsline... and to this day I wonder why he did it. It simply wasn't a big enough deal to worry about.
So, to get back to the main point... I don't know enough about the details and extenuating or mitigating circumstances of the handful of examples you cite, so I can't say either way if they were handled fairly or not. I can only say that based on my own personal experience, I know the man to be fair.
And you've admitted that you never dealt with him, nor did anyone you knew personally, based on your earlier comments.
So... if your opinion isn't based on personal experience, but only on what you have read or been told third-hand... why should we believe a word you say about the man?
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by W6EM on July 13, 2009
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WN:"Now what on God's green earth has Laura Smith's refusal (to date) to prosecute the Indianapolis Police Department -- an (in)action by her that I do NOT support, and never have, in any way shape or form (if anything, the police should be held to a higher standard) got to do with putting Riley Hollingsworth on a pedestal, which I for one have never done?"
Perhaps not a reasonable assumption in this case, but successors are usually counselled by their predecessors. If not directly, then indirectly, by bosses suggesting "research the file" exercises.
"Without knowing all the facts in the cases you cite, I am not in a position to know whether or not the correct decision(s) were made."
I don't either. I offered them as examples. Plenty of questions to which Riley or his supervision should answer.
"Frankly Lee, based on what I've seen of your ability to misread information, I would not at all be inclined to accept your conclusions at face value either. I know what your opinion of Pa Act 88 is -- what you put down as the Pa PRB-1 -- and I know what my lawyer's opinion of it is (in fact, we discussed it during a break in the IARU on Saturday; first time he's had enough time to get on the air in weeks). But I will never convince you that you are mistaken, at least in this case, because you will not read the facts when they get in the way of your beliefs."
The PA PRB-1 is just that: A verbatim copy of PRB-1. ARRL loves the publicity of state-codified statutes. All they accomplish, really, is the option of using state courts as opposed to federal. Much cheaper and faster, according to what several attorneys have said.
"Sorry to put it so bluntly, and no disrespect is intended, but: on at least this issue you don't know jack squat."
Ha. Well, I can read what's in print. Sure reads exactly like PRB-1. Maybe there's something between the numbered lines that I missed. (ARRL subscriptions??)
"Thus, one can extrapolate from that, that you are equally misinformed on other more important issues as well, until proven otherwise."
I guess, then, I am reading-impaired. Or, perhaps its my memory. Not as young as I used to be.
"The bottom line remains this: Riley was asked by his superiors at the FCC to take charge of Amateur Radio enforcement issues after years of neglect. After over 10 years on the job, it's clear that he made a difference and helped clean things up. Was he perfect? I doubt it; who is?"
What did he clean up? Truck stop sales of "amateur" CBs? Nope. Freebander truckers? Nope.
CB amps? Nope. Unlicensed users in general? Nope.
Intentional radiator power system interference? Nope. Foul mouths on 75 and 20M? Nope. Repeater kerchunkers? Nope.
"And you've admitted that you never dealt with him, nor did anyone you knew personally, based on your earlier comments."
Oh, several email questions and comments. That's about it.
"So... if your opinion isn't based on personal experience, but only on what you have read or been told third-hand... why should we believe a word you say about the man?"
My opinion has been formed by the same kind of information RH used to "convict" licensed amateurs. If, in fact, his own actions or inactions aren't demonstrative, then what is? One example you cite and you judge all his other actions to have been fair?
What I posted are situations that beg explanation and clarification. Mine aren't "personal judgements" so much as they are the result of published information. Most of it by either RH or others at the FCC and ARRL. Occasionally, from AR Newsline.
I didn't imagine them. They were printed, published and disseminated. Choose to do your own looking.
If you think you can impeach the incidents I posted, go right ahead if you can. Come up with whatever you have information to counter what I've said. PA PRB-1 isn't a big deal, IMO. It obviously is to you.
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RE: Riley Hollingsworth Said............?
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by KK4BH on July 14, 2009
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"What did he clean up? Truck stop sales of "amateur" CBs? Nope. Freebander truckers? Nope.
CB amps? Nope. Unlicensed users in general? Nope.
Intentional radiator power system interference? Nope. Foul mouths on 75 and 20M? Nope. Repeater kerchunkers? Nope." by W6EM on July 13, 2009
Let me ask you this Lee, "Do you think you could do a better job than Riley if given his position?"
Do you believe you could "survive" a typical day of chasing down information (alot of which is second handed) and following strict proceedures (making sure your I's are dotted and T's crossed), and continue doing so for many years? Could you Lee? It's like fighting drugs and terror, a no win scenario.
Prior to Riley's making it into the "lime-lite", I heard very little if anything regarding enforcement in these areas and I've been a ham almost 50 years. Since then numerous enforcement actions, one or more per month, were published in amateur radio circulars. Several dealers and even one of the countries largest truckstop chains were cited and fined. I personnaly know of two over-the-road drivers that received memos from their employeers, threatening dismissal if caught with illegal 2-way radios in their trucks. As far as "kerchunkers" go, well, as long as they keep putting that little button on the mikes, I'm guilty. Sorry.
Lee, I think it's best to let this Riley thing go. You've proved your point.
73's
Ken
KK4BH
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RE: Riley Hollingsworth Said............?
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by W6EM on July 14, 2009
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KK4BH, Ken asks:"Let me ask you this Lee, "Do you think you could do a better job than Riley if given his position?"
Ken, I'm not an attorney. But, if I were, I think so.
The first thing I would do is make sure that I had no connections to an entity that might be the subject of future enforcement actions (ARRL). Yes, that would mean no ARRL membership or acceptance of accollades such as "Ham of the Year."
Next, I would not publish "enforcement letters" until after final ajudication. Not a peep until the matter is decided and closed. Not making anything public until the accused has had his or her "day in court" or "due process."
Finally, I would only accept as evidence, objective evidence obtained by FCC field agents and monitoring stations. Or, other Enforcement Bureau employees. Nothing at all from "OO-hacks" that have conflicts of interest with ARRL or somebody they don't like down the street because of their politics, ethnicity or accent.
"Do you believe you could "survive" a typical day of chasing down information (alot of which is second handed) and following strict proceedures (making sure your I's are dotted and T's crossed), and continue doing so for many years? Could you Lee? It's like fighting drugs and terror, a no win scenario."
I suspect that I could if I had a law degree. Second handed information is, I think, heresay in a court of law. It puzzles me how such stuff could stand a legal challenge. Then again, if it were me, I wouldn't be "chasing it down" so much as relying upon FCC resources. If they have them and they gather the evidence, then prosecution takes place. If they don't, well, its like it didn't happen.
Now, when I say FCC resources, that also means FCC employees who use personal equipment to gather information, etc.
As to the other claims of effective punishment for truckers and truck stops that sell uncertified CB gear, well, $10K is a drop in the bucket.
I frequent truck stops across the southeast in my work. And, frankly, I occasionally still see "10M amateur radios" in the display cases. So much for effectiveness along those lines.
This RH commentary isn't a "campaign" for me. I made my point, yes. Others have too.
Perhaps a parallel could be drawn with respect to fighting drugs. In that example, government uses agents to gather information after a tip is received. First hand information. Buying the evidence or observing it first hand. That, sadly, rarely takes place and I can't remember anything besides the K1MAN and Jack Gerritsen cases where first-hand, agent-obtained information was the primary prosecutorial evidence. Perhaps it was in the case of uncertified CB sales. But, seldom, very seldom has it been so for most of the rest of RH prosecutions.
What about the innocent ham in Florida that was vilified by RH? A simple "erroneous information" apology letter was all that was written by RH and nothing more. That's really poor, since he had the goods on the liar who made the complaint and accusations and didn't prosecute him.
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